Yossi Melman is a senior commentator for the Israeli daily Haaretz. He specializes in intelligence, security, terrorism and strategic issues. An author of seven books on these topics, his most recent book, The Nuclear Sphinx of Tehran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the State of Iran was published recently by Carroll & Graf.
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Yossi Melman is a senior commentator for the Israeli daily Haaretz. He specializes in intelligence, security, terrorism and strategic issues. An author of seven books on these topics, his most recent book, The Nuclear Sphinx of Tehran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the State of Iran was published recently by Carroll & Graf.
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How was the Apartheid israel established in 1947/8? Was Palestine a land withou people in 1948?
Where are the 80% of the population of PAlestine live now after it was ethnically cleanesed by jewish terrorist gangs such as Hgahnah,Irgun,Palmah and Irgun??
Why did these jewish terror gangs destroy over 600 PAlestinian towns and village from which the PAlestinians were ethnically cleanesed in 1947/8?
Read jewish hsitorians such Ilan Pappe,Shabtai Teveth,Beni Morris on jewih ethnic cleanesing of Palestinians.
More importantly see WWW.PALNDS.ORG for full coverage of the question of Palestine.
Its very interesting to analyze the selection of featured comments, indeed goes to show the neutrality out here!! What else should I have expected...
I am simply amazed at how many people in the West think that a peaceful solution to Israel is based on the realities and practical assesssment by Palestinians!! Well, the same was forgotten at the time of creation of Israel but it is being imposed upon Palestinans so stongly for the last 60 years!!
If any one thinks that Hamas accepting Israel will result in peace for Israel, its simply out of question. Israel and in particular its allies have to understand the whole thought process of Palestinians as well as Muslims throughout the world. They will never accept Israel unless they are convinced of its justification for its creation. For that to happen, you need to have a global neutral media where the case is strongly advocated against debates from its opponents. A sustained process of such debates against its enemies even those who want to wipe it off the face will earn respect and knowledge about the issue. It will separate facts from opinions and give each individual whether pro-Israeli or anti-Israel a chance to develop his / her own opinion.
I hope the above advice is pursued otherwise we will all live in our brain washed thoughts (for both sides of the conflict) forever!!
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On Mideast Trip, Bush Emphasizes Commitment to Peace Deal
SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt, May 17 -- President Bush sought to assure Arabs on Saturday that he is committed to securing an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal by the end of the year, as he arrived at this Red Sea resort for a quick round of consultations with key allies.
- By Michael Abramowitz
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1 Many people, in the earth, they have desired, to understand, and to know, that which cometh upon the earth, as being forever seen.
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2 And, I (god) do say, that most surely, in those seen nations, who hate my great, eternal, true name. As found, as being Jesus christ, as being, forever true,
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3 They are seen, unto me forever. As being forever true, in satanism forever sure. And, they are seen, as being death unto me forever. And, they are, simply, unrepentifully and unjustly, in unrepentifulness,
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4 As being forever truly found, as being faithfully forever true, of themselves, as forever seen. In being against, all that I am, as I am god, as forever seen and true.
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5 And, those beguiled, true nations. They are seen unto me, as being forever true. As being non christian nations, forever. And those nations (not speaking of Israel),
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6 They shall see vexation of spirit and suffering and great end time famine, and great pestilence, and great war, forever.
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7 Yet, they shall see many other things, from their personal, true treasures. That are found in their own, desired, damminly true treasures,
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8 That are treasures in death forever. That are called, their desired true death, in Satanism, as being forever seen and forever sought, by the damned ones, forever.
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9 And, those beastly true nations, they are found unto me, in death, as being forever seen. And, they are seen, unto me forever. As forever seen, as satan, forever, and they are seen and felt, unto me,
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10 As their desired and most true death, as forever true. And, they are considered of me, forever. To be as dead as satan is dead, unto me, forever,
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11 And, they, the damned in satan himself, forever. They are seen and found, in utter true shame and utter true contempt, as being forever seen. And they are seen, of eternal living forever, true damnation,
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12 And they do worship, as faithfully forever true, within themselves, forever, eternal living forever, true death. As found, given unto themselves, from satan himself, as being forever true.
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13 And, this earth, it is found, fallen in, and, unto satan himself. As satan, has became, as a false idol god, unto the damned forever. And it is found, and seen,
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14 By the damned, as being forever true, of the damned ones, forever. As they, the damned in satanism, as being forever seen by me forever.
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15 That they do choose satan, as satan being their false idol god, as forever true of themselves. As they give of themselves,
forever, unto satan, forever.
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16 And this earth, as found, unto satan himself, as being forever seen in satan true death, as being forever sure, in death, as being forever true.
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17 Then, those non christian true nations of the earth, as they are seen, as being: “Fallen, unrepentiful, ungodly true nations of the earth“,
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18 And those nations, they are found by me, in death, as being forever seen. And they shall be perplexed with signs following, For those nations,
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19 They are beastly by human fallen nature, forever. And they do refuse, unjustly, as forever true, to ever know me (god), as forever seen, as I am their true god, forever.
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20 And, again, those beastly eternal, damminly true nations, in death forever. As found, unto satan, as being forever seen. If, they shall refuse, to know my son, who called christ, as their savior, forever,
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21 And, who (christ Jesus) is with my heavenly true salvation, that I have created, from my (god) own, eternal, true Love. As being forever seen, in me, as forever true.
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22 And that salvation, it is given of me, for all fallen true men, forever. And that salvation, that is called christ Jesus. It is given, that repentiful true men, may arise and cleanse themselves, by calling on the name of god,
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23 As that name, is found. As my eternal, living forever, true son. And, who is called, “Jesus Christ”. As being forever seen, of myself, as forever truly seen.
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24 If, those non christian-unrepentiful true nations, who hate me, forever. Shall not repent in christ Jesus, forever.
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25 Then, those beguiled in satan, true nations. They are called death. And those, beguiled, most true nations, they shall all be clean dissolved, by me forever, or unto they accept and repent, by receiving christ, forever,
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26 As christ Jesus, being their personal, living forever, true savior. And who is from me (god), as being forever faithfully forever true, with my heavenly true salvation,
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27 That is found, given of me (god), as eternally forever and ever true, of me, forever. And it is true, for all of given true eternity, forever.
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28 Many antichrist, true nations, they are found unto me forever. In their own, personal, true choices, found in life and death.
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29 And those choices, they are found, unto me, as being forever true, and it is true, by their own, eternal, living forever, true hands,
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30 And it is true, that they, either chose christ Jesus, for the heavenly true salvation, that is given of me (god), as being forever seen.
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31 Or they chose not to receive christ Jesus, forever. And, which is seen, in being forever certain, of themselves, unto me, forever.
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32 And those nations, if they shall reject christ Jesus, forever. Then they shall die unto me forever,
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33 Then, my, great, living eternal, given and being given, righteous, holy true judgments. They shall be found of me forever, as given by me forever,
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34 As given of me as being forever seen in judgment forever. And it is a fiery given judgment of me (god), that is recompense, that is called granted true death, forever,
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35 And that true death, it shall be found given of me, upon and unto those blasphemous eternal true nations, that are called satan forever,
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36 And who are seen. As being, blasphemous eternal true nations of death, forever,
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37 And, granted true death, it is found, given of me, as being forever seen. As, given by me forever, unto those satan nations. As they are found by me forever, in satan forever. And those nations, they are,
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38 Found unto me, forever. As being forever certain, in satan forever. And they are found, unto me. As being forever true, as being found, as being truly beastly.
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39 And, they are seen unto me forever. As being, a anti god, true image, unto me. As being faithfully forever seen, in themselves. As their desired true death, as found in satan, forever.
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40 And, those non christian nations, as found in their death, as being forever seen true death. As found, as being. A fallen beastly stone image, of given, unrepentiful to receive god, beastly forever, true seen sin,
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41 That seen sin, it is found unto me forever. In being unrepentifully forever true, in being against me. As a seen, true sinfulness, as being forever seen, and is seen, in them, that perish unto me in their satanism, forever.
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42 All beastly, eternal, true nations. They are found, unto me forever true. As being anti god and as being anti christ forever true nations of the earth forever,
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43 And those nations, they are found unto me, in satan. As being forever seen, in granted true death, as forever true.
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44 And, they are seen, unto me. As being, found in their desired and most true death. As true death in satan, is found, working within themselves,
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45 As being found, as truly being satanism, as being forever true of themselves forever, and, that work in satan that is found themselves, it is forever heard as being a blasphemous eternal image of death forever.
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46 And, they, the damned in satan forever, they are most surely heard, as being eternal true sin, as being forever true, in all that I am not as god forever.
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47 And, they shall die, unto me forever, as being forever true. In their desired, and most true death, as forever seen. That is working true death, that worketh against me forever.
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48 And, they are truly, forever seen, in death forever. And they are seen unto me forever. As being, eternally forever true. As satan true sin, as being eternally forever true sin, forever.
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49 And they are seen by me forever, as death, and they are in agreement with me forever, for that true death and they are in agreement with hell forever, for true death forever.
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50 And, in true death, they shall never awake, after that great judgments of eternal just judgments, has occurred, forever. And they shall never awake, again, to live, afterwards (after that great Judgment called life), and forever.
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51 In true death, the damned ones of this fallen, true earth, forever. They shall be casted by me, away from me, as being forever true,
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52 And they shall be casted into eternal hell fire, that burneth, as being forever seen, as god in judgment, forever. For I am, god in judgment, as being forever true,
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53 And I am true, unto all of the wicked ones of the earth forever, as I am forever seen and heard, in Jesus christ, as being forever seen.
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54 And, in hell, is their seen eternal true reward. That is called life,
that they have made unto themselves. As being forever seen. As a seen image, called death forever.
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55 And that image, as made by the damned ones, as being forever seen, by me forever true. It is called: “Wanted true death, for me (me is the word sinner), in satan forever,
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56 As I (I is the sinner person) am a found sinner, unto god, as being forever true of myself (myself is the word sinner), forever“.
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57 And, unto all sinners, who are found unto me, as being forever true, as found in satan (all true sinners), forever. They shall, be forever seen.
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58 And they shall be seen by me, as being faithfully forever seen, In that great eternal, and most mighty and true day. That is called god in judgment, unto satan, forever,
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59 And, those sinners in satan forever. They all, shall receive their seen true reward. That is called, hell fire, forever. And that reward, it is found,
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60 As given of me, unto them, in that great unending true day, that is most forever seen, as being seen, truly forever true. And that day, it is seen. As being most eternal,
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61 For I am most eternal, saith thy god, as being eternally forever and ever true. For I am eternal, and I live forever. And the forever, it is me (god), forever.
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62 In that day, that is glorious in me, forever. The damned, they shall pass back into the earth, in spiritual and physical, true death. As being forever seen, and, as being forever, eternally seen, in death, forever true.
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63 Therefore, that passing into eternal forever death. It shall be written by me (god), as being: “They the damned, they are written back into the earth forever, as they truly do desire, Unrepentiful true death, forever“.
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64 That death, it is desired by the damned ones, forever. And, it is desired by the damned forever. As being, true death, forever. And that true death,
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65 It is also seen, as being in satanism forever. And, it is seen, as being forever seen by me, forever. And it is found, in true death, unto me, forever .
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66 That death, it is from being found guilty in unrepentiful true trespasses and unrepentiful true sins, that are unrepentifully forever seen,
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67 As being against me (god), as being forever true. For those desired sins, are desired forever, by the damned, as being forever seen by me, forever.
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68 And, they are found unto me forever. As being against receiving my eternal son, who is called “Christ As Savior, Forever”.
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69 Eternal death, as found in the damned forever, it seen. As being, unholy and unrighteous, spiritual true works, that is found in satan’s true death, forever.
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70 And that death, in the damned forever. It is found, in satan, as being, forever seen, as true death, as forever true. And it is desired, as being faithfully forever seen, by the lost unto me forever.
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71 And that true death, in the damned, it is seen by me forever true. As being forever true, and, forever seen. And that death, it is seen, to be as satan is dead, forever.
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72 And satanism, seen true works, as found in their desired true death, as being forever seen by me forever. It is called true death, and those works of satan and of the beast, whom (beast is the word man), is called man, as forever seen.
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73 It is forever seen, and, is forever found, in satan, himself, as granted true death, from me, as being forever true death. And that true death, it is forever seen,
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74 As seen in the damned, as being forever true death, forever. And the damned, and, with satan himself, together, and with satan’s true kind, who (kind is all fallen angels) are called devils, they are all together, as seen and called: ’As being the beast”, forever.
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75 And they are found, unto me, as being forever certain. As being in satanism unto me, as being forever true of themselves, in the service of their faithful and true worship unto satan and to satan‘s kind, forever.
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76 And they are forever seen. And they are seen in death, forever. And, all ungodly, antichrist, true nations. As they are found by me, as forever sure, as being seen by me, in their, seen sin, forever.
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77 And they are found by me, forever. As being forever true, as being seen, in eternal true works, found in death forever. And, it is seen, as heavenly true death. As being forever certain and ever lasting, forever true.
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78 And, they the damned and all fallen true nations. They are found unto me forever, as being in satan forever. And they, are also found unto me forever,
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79 In unholy, and, in unrighteous physical true works, that are called, eternal true death, forever.
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80 Those unrepentiful true nations in satan forever. They are even found unto me, as found. In their manifesting, of: “Unrepentiful, true sinful true works“, That is called granted true death, forever.
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81 And granted true death forever. It is being found forever granted, to them, who are found in satanism, as being eternally forever true of themselves,
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82 As they are found unto me, in the service of satan. As being forever true of themselves forever.
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83 And, if they be found unto me forever, in satanism, as being eternally forever true of themselves, in satan‘s true death, as being forever seen. Then they shall die unto all that is me in christ Jesus,
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84 And, through the judgment of the nations, my eternal just judgments. They are given by me, through christ Jesus, forever true, unto all nations,
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85 who are all non christian nations of the earth forever. That are seen unto me forever. As being, in satanism, as being forever true and ever lasting forever, of themselves, forever.
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86 And I shall damn them all non christian nations forever, who are considered by me, as being, rejectful to me, true nations, forever. And, they shall die unto me, as being forever true of themselves, forever,
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87 And, in this judgment of the nations, as being forever seen, upon the unrepentiful forever seen and true, non christian nations, forever, who are judged,
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88 As they will never repent and receive christ Jesus my eternal true son, who is with life, that is called god, forever.
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89 Then any of those nations, who are found unto me, as being forever certain, as that nation or nations that will never repent and receive christ forever.
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90 Then that nation and or nations, they shall die unto me forever seen, as being forever true. As being forever eternally forever true. And, they are considered by me, as being forever certain,
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91 As themselves, in being dead unto me, as forever true, and, as being forever seen, in death, forever true. And, they shall be seen, unto me, as being forever certain, and, true forever, in their sin, as being forever seen.
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92 Therefore, end time judgment. It is given of me (god), and is found, of me (god), worthily, unto whom, end time judgments, are forever, righteously forever due, unto. And that judgment, it is forever truly seen.
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93 And all end time judgments, are called life and death, forever. Therefore, let all nations, chose me, or they shall die unto me forever,
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94 And that decision, it must be made quickly, saith thy eternal one, who is seen, and is called, the lord thy god, forever.
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95 In these true days, forever. All ungodly nations, they shall be judged by me forever. And I will hold them accountable, for the deeds that they do perform,
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96 As they do perform those deeds, against me, as being found by me, as being forever true of themselves. As they are found by me, in satanism forever.
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97 And, those, ungodly true deeds, as found, as being true toward me. As they themselves, are seen by me forever true. In that they do perform those deeds, unto me, as being forever true of themselves in satan forever.
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98 And those true deeds, they are seen. As being, in satan eternally forever true. And those ungodly blasphemous true deeds, they shall be recompense back,
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99 Unto themselves, as measured unto themselves, in true punishment, from me, as being forever true, of me forever certain.
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100 And, most certainly, measured true punishment, it is given to themselves, from me, as being forever seen true punishment. And that true punishment,
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101 It is seen, as being forever true, from me, as being forever and eternally seen, true punishment. That is called god forever,
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102 And that true punishment. That is called god forever. It is seen, and is called dead death, as being forever seen, and it is now, found on the earth, and in hell, forever.
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103 And that eternal, most true punishment, it is from me forever true. And it is seen, as being true in me forever. And it is, given most surely, unto themselves, as being forever seen, true judgment, forever,
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104 And that eternal ever lasting true punishment, it is called eternal dead death forever. And it is from me forever. And I, the lord of heaven and earth, forever,
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105 I the lord, I do hold all nations, accountable, for their seen sins. That they, do against all, that is me, as I am creation, as forever seen.
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106 And I, shall damn all non christian true nations of the earth forever, that will not receive Jesus christ, forever. And I will send a fire, from me, unto all of them, forever. And I will give death and dissolving and great punishment,
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107 Unto those devil nations, as they are found unto me, as being in satanism forever, as they are seen by me, forever. In their seen true sins, that is called: “I (I is the sinner) desire death, as being forever true“.
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108 And, through the judgment of the nations. If these ungodly, true, non christian nations of the earth, forever, shall not repent and be baptized, in the son, who is called, Jesus christ,
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109 Then they have most surely, bought upon themselves, and, upon all of their seen children. Death and great eternal, blasting, true destruction, from me, as being forever true of me forever,
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110 And I (god) will destroy them with their seen sins, forever. And even those nations, that trust in their false idol gods, I (god) shall shame those nations, by making those nations, see,
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111 That without christ, they shall die, forever. And that in trusting their idols, that they have bought great dissolving true judgment, from me (god), as being forever true, upon themselves, as being forever seen.
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112 And, those satan true nations in satanism forever. They shall become greatly angered at their false idols, which hath not life forever. And they shall revolt against their false, seen and hidden idols of falsehood.
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113 And those nations which shall not repent, by receiving Jesus christ, as christ Jesus, being their savior, as being forever seen. Then, they shall die unto me (god) forever,
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114 And their seed shall die unto me (god) forever, unless they repent in christ Jesus, forever.
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115 These false nations, they are not, true nations of life, that is called christ, unto me (god), forever. And without christ, in them. They shall die unto me forever.
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116 And I will judge them forever, if they destroy not their seen idols, forever. And if they accept not Jesus christ, as this Jesus being their seen savior, from me, forever,
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117 And without christ Jesus being their seen savior forever. Then they are seen unto me, as being faithfully forever seen, as being seen in satanism,
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118 As being forever true, and they are forever found, unto me forever true. In their desired true death, forever certain.
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119 And I, and I shall, trumpet, unto those ungodly, true nations, that are found unto satan himself, forever, and that are found by me, in their desired true death,
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120 As being forever true of themselves. As they are found unto me, in their desired, true, iniquity. That is called sin, forever.
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121 And those satan true nations, they must, therefore, all repent unto me, as being forever true of themselves, forever. Or they shall die unto me, as being forever true.
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122 And, they must repent, quickly at this time of the fallen true earth, forever, and turn unto me forever. And I am seen, as: “The god of truth“, forever.
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123 And, as I am truth forever. Those nonchristian, true rebellious, seen nations, as they are found unto me and found by me, in their seen satanism, forever. They must turn unto me, as being forever true,
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124 And, through, my eternal, and most true judgment, that is called: “The judgment of the nations“. If they, shall not repent, unto me, as being forever seen,
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125 As being quickly seen in repenting to me now, and, as being forever true. Then I shall cause war and or plagues and or famines,
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126 To seek out those ungodly true nations. That are nations, that are found unto me, in death, as being forever true, of themselves forever.
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127 And I will destroy them forever. And I shall even cause their pleasant true skies, to flee away from them, forever. And I shall stop the rain, unto them, forever,
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128 And I shall stop the snow unto them, and I shall cause their crops to die, unto them. And all their animals, shall die, unto me, and I shall fight against those satanism true ones, as forever seen.
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129 And I (god) shall call fire out of the sky to devour them, in all their seen labors. That is found in this satan true life, forever.
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130 And, those ungodly, true, non christian nations. That are found unto satanism, forever. They shall cease to exist, in the earth, forever,
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131 Unless they repent and receive Jesus christ, as christ Jesus, being their seen savior, forever.
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132 Therefore, let your false gods, and let satan give you life forever. And in his (satan) hand of life, thou shalt die in his tainted true life, forever, for in sin, thou art already found in satan himself, forever.
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133 And satan’s true hand of life, it isn’t christly true life, as found in me forever, but it is truly found unto me forever, as death forever,
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134 And in satan, thou art already cursed with death and thou shalt die forever, unless thou renounce satan forever, by accepting Jesus christ,
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135 As by, accepting Jesus christ, as thy seen, personal, living forever, true savior. As christ Jesus, is given of me forever, unto the earth, forever.
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136 Therefore, let all nations, consider, through the judgment of the nations. That they need to consider, their ways of blasphemous eternal true death, that is forever and ever upon them, forever,
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137 And that, they must repent, or I will destroy them, for desiring to be non christian nations of the earth, forever.
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138 And, in me, is the life called man and woman, as forever seen--therefore--repent--or thou shalt die unto me forever, saith thy god, who is thy creator, as forever seen.
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Yes, there are many anti-semites in the US. Thank you for pointing that out (90%, no, but many). Are you trying to say that you would be proud to be counted as one?
@Ben Schlomo:
Nationalistic threats of death to all enemies adds nothing positive to the discussion. You find yourself precariously close to the level of those on this board who spew anti-jewish rhetoric. Please be more constructive.
@Ravi Chavez:
See comment to Ben Schlomo. You could have made your argument stronger without resorting to the Kill 'Em All approach.
Israel will survive longer than the U.S. We are a peaceful yet strong country. You in the U.S. will all die before we do. You do not know how to deal with the terrorist Muslims. We will kill them; you will die.
The only hope for peace in the middle east is the demise of Israel. If brought to a vote in the U.S., 90% of our citizens would vote to cut the funding of the Israel death machine; which is truly a terrorist state. The only people U.S. citizens hate more than Arabs is Jews. Take a poll; I know that I'm right!
Mike Santora says:
“Let's recap was Israel has done for the U.S.:
Jonathon Pollard
The Liberty Incident
AIPAC
Mid East Violence
Etc. Etc.”
This plus the billions of dollars in annual grants dumped on it as well as the uncritical blind support afforded it both militarily and politically had earned the USA the enmity of the Muslim world; 59 countries with 1.6 billion people who own most of the world‘s oil reserves. All this reinforces my thesis of long ago that Israel to the USA is as Delilah to Samson. If unchecked will bring about the demise of this giant.
If Israel is to survive as a Jewish state, a two state solution is required. Israel will need to withdrawal from much of the West Bank and Golan Heights, but it will reserve the right to protect itself from attacks as it currently does in Lebanon and Syria. Israel and the US must also prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, since the president of that country has repeatedly stated his desire to destroy Israel. I do not support Israel because it is a Jewish state or because it is a US ally, I support it because it is the most advanced and tolerant nation in the region.
Ben Schlomo: "The state of Israel has done everything in its power to live in peace with our neighbors... In order the live in peace, my country will kill every one of our enemies. The citizens of Israel are compassionate caring people. Do not stand in the way of our peace or you will die."
One cannot hope for a more Orwellian tirade than that!
Any presidential candidate who runs in the U.S. on a platform of disengaging from Israel would win in a landslide. U.S. citizens hate the violent state of Irael!!!!
I cannot beieve the anti-semetic remarks being posted in this blog. The state of Israel has done everything in its power to live in peace with our neighbors. But like during the holocaust the prevailing theme of this blog seems to be death to the Jews. Have we not suffered enough. I had a fourth cousin die at the hands of the Nazis. Haven't I suffered enough because of the death in a family member. In order the live in peace, my country will kill every one of our enemies. The citizens of Israel are compassionate caring people. Do not stand in the way of our peace or you will die.
Yes, the question should not even be asked! Too scary for WP's Official Commentators. Let's keep silent and problems will disappear! Of course... Very wise. Very wise indeed! Keep it up!
In discussing whether israel will, or should should survive 40 more years,
let us read the AP story this morning...
Israel is planning more settlements and expansions on the West Bank.
It was mentioned only in passing about Bush's trip where he had to avoid meeting the crooked Ohlmert, about to be indicted.
The quesiton HERE should be not if, but WHETHER, whether Israel should suvive much longer. I, for one, do not disagree with the rest of the world, (in the new,prominent BBC survey, showing that Israel is the least respected and most hated state in the world.
In the words, which is more important, Israel's greed and ugly desire to own Palestine and control all of the ME. Or the welfare of the rest of the world. Do we love genocide?
I am pro-Israel because Israel is our ally. I am pro-England, pro-Canada and pro-any country that is our friend.
Consider this. Israel is surrounded by countries that not only want its destruction but who sponsor terrorism against the US (19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis as is bin Laden). Israel has been our staunchest ally in the war on terror, helping us get vital intelligence on terrorists. As I mentioned, they did our dirty work for us in attacking Iran's nuclear development facilities.
I would say that Israel's friendship is worth a great deal to us and is worth the relatively small amount of foreign aid we give it.
And for those who think that wiping Israel off the face of the earth (such as Joshua Arbol) will bring peace to the middle east, consider this: Israel is not responsible for Syrian occupation of Lebanon, the infighting in Iraq, the Iraq-Iran war, the tension between Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India (both of which are nuclear), and the general animosity between Shiites and Sunni Arabs. If anything, one may make the point that by being the sacrificial lamb that Muslims turn their animosity toward, Israel lessens the conflicts that would otherwise erupt among Shiites and Sunnis. Of course, with Iran's growing influence in Iraq and its desire to be the pre-eminent power in the middle east, we may see that conflict anyway. If that happens, the conflicts in Israel will seem small by comparison.
Wes Wienstein wrote:
"The anti Jewish remarks give me chills. Israel is a peaceful country.... "
This is another trick of the zionist types. They use the two word "Jewish" and "Israel" interchangably. Over the decades they have learned that people consider being anti-Jewish as bad. Therefore if we confuse the two words, then anti-Israeli is equivalent to anti-Jewish. That way the state of Israel can do anything it wants with impunity; because no one wants to be called an anti-semite. I think many people are figuring this out; and that scares the hell out of Wes Weinstein types.
The anti Jewish remarks give me chills. Israel is a peaceful country meaning no harm to outsiders. Muslims who die in our conflicts are terrorists. My country only kills when absolutely necessary. We want peace and are not an agressive state; but we will kill all who threaten. It is a shame when peace loving Israelis are forced to kill in order to preserve our peace. We are living in our promised land and will defend ourselves from all intruders. All we want is peace! So don't threaten us or you will die like a dog.
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>we're not unused to a lack of respect from >people of other religions, who nonetheless >think highly of themselves and their >relationship with God.
Why do you think respondeders to BBC's survey did not deem Israel respectable on religious grounds? Let us take religion out of this. Israel, after all is a state. As a state, it has done things that nation-states have done over centuries, grabbing land and enslaving those in them. This is the same stuff that the axis powers in WWII, and all the conquerors before them did. The allies of WWII has more universal aims. The Western allies believed in liberal values for all nations. The sovies were internationalists in the socialist sence. Isreal of today has a lot in common with Nazis and Tojo Japanese becuase all it cares about is its own nation's welfare.
Max wrote:
"the Jews who were the victims of WWII have founded a country that is not respected now because it has taken the nationalistic route."
It's an interesting point, and it's the reason why there are devout Jews (like the nitwits who attended Ahmedinejad's Wipe-Israel-Off-The-Map-Fest) who don't think statehood and godliness are compatible.
On the other hand, for Jews, non-statehood and being exterminated have been very compatible, so most of us don't figure on going there again. Anyway, we're not unused to a lack of respect from people of other religions, who nonetheless think highly of themselves and their relationship with God.
BBC conducts an annual poll around the world to rank countries on the basis of how well respected they are. In the last few years Germany and Japan are among the most respected and Israel (along with Iran) is considered the least respected. This is very ironic considering the legacy of mankind's greatest struggle, world war II. That war was foungh between one side that had more of an internationalist and idealistic bent (the allies); and the other side that had specifically nationalistic agendas (German and Japan). The irony is that the Germans and the Japanese has taken the internationalistic banner, and are respected for it, but the Jews who were the victims of WWII have founded a country that is not respected now because it has taken the nationalistic route. This is one of the greatest reversals in history.
I was suggesting that Israel had already brokered peace with a neighbor at a relatively high price (land for peace where the land returned is larger than the Pre-'67 size of Israel).
Hezbollah's influence is widespread through Lebanon and Syria, but will more likely trigger another full scale civil war in Lebanon before is is a true threat to Israel.
Iran CLAIMS not to be seeking nuclear weapons, just like Israel REFUSES to discuss whether or not it has a nuclear arsenal. Iraq will be a mess for a long time before it is able to mount a campaign of its own (a Topic worthy of a whole other series, not here). Hamas can't stop incursions and occupation by the enemy it is sworn to destroy. Heck, Hamas interferes with attempts to feed its own people.
Islamic Republic in Egypt? Maybe, but not yet...
In the end my point was, who (in the Middle East)other that Israel has been asked to give up land it currently controls? Who else (in the Middle East) has returned (voluntarily) land it controlled?
The day Israel is wiped off the map is the day there will be peace in the middle east. If the U.S. wants peace they should cut off the funding for the Israeli death machine (IDF)!!!!!!!!!
Will we ever get back money from the Lend-Lease program of WWII that was sent to the Other Allies (no not in full)? Will The Egyptians ever return the subsidies they have received (no)? Will Colombia ever return the funds it received, or Venezuela, or Panama... I could go on and on. That is the nature of foreign aid sent by the US, to well neigh more than 1/2 the nations on the planet.
Israel is not my country, but I do not favor its destruction either, as some here seem to desire. If you believe that Israel has given no effort to its current success then nothing anyone says to you will ever matter b/c you would be choosing to ignore reality. Barren land now produces food. Idustry and manufacturing exist beyond the means of its neighbors. Not all from US money. . .
Will we ever get back money from the Lend-Lease program of WWII that was sent to the Other Allies (no not in full)? Will The Egyptians ever return the subsidies they have received (no)? That is the nature of foreign aid sent by the US, to well neigh more than 1/2 the nations on the planet. Will Colombia ever return the funds it received, or Venezuela, or Panama... I could go on and on.
Israel is not my country, I do not favor its destruction either, as some here seem to desire. If you believe that Israel has given no effort to its current success then nothing anyone says to you will ever matter b/c you would be choosing to ignore reality. Barren land now produces food. Idustry and manufacturing exist beyond the means of its neighbors. Not all from US money. . .
By the "victor's spoils" you mean Hamas's increasing capacity to hit Southern Israel? Or Hizbullah's growing influence in Labeanon? Perphas both. Maybe you mean Iran's nuclear program and emergence as Israel's most potent adversary. Oh, and I forgot about the Islamic Republic of Iraq and the future Islamic Republic of Egypt. Congratulations! Enjoy the spoils. Please don't share them with me.
Indeed, interesting question, what would Israel do without US military backing?, which, by the way it also costs money. In any case, Israel's fate is tied to our economy, if we ever go down we will drag you, unless, again, your nation proves that it is really a prosperous, self-sufficient as any official propaganda wants us to believe.
I personally compare this nation to the rich kid who lives large thanks to a rich relative but not thanks to his/her own effort.
How much does Israel owe to the United States considering the huge amount of dollars delivered every year?, will we ever get our money back?. Even Colombia which is officially labeled "ally" doesn't get that royal treatment: unrestricted borrowing.
As a racist apartheid entity,israel was born dead,it has no moral or legal legitimacy what so ever ,it has no constitution,no borders:no colonial settler state ever survived in the Arab East:the crusaders' statelets were finally evicted after a fragmented and precerious existence for two centuries;French colonialism in and of Alegeria for 130 years did not fare better,so was the nuclear armed racist apartheid white south africa.
israel has no chance in hell to survive-not while eleven million tormented and dispossessed Palestinians live either in jewish concentration camps in their own homeland or in refugee camps within one or two hours drive from their occupied home lands in historic Palestine.
Solution:
One secular multi-cultural multi-religious democrcay for all: Arabs (Christains and Muslims)and jews who lived in historic Palestine at or before 1914-all other jews who landed there after 1914 who are in fact illegal jewish immigrants sumggled by the British mandate authority should go back to where they come from and leave the homes and land they stole from the ethnically cleanesed Palestinians by jewish terrorist groups(hagana,palmach,irgun,shtern)in 1947/8.
No other solution will ever work-never;it is just untainable to have an occupying racist apartheid militaristic jewish theocracy on Arab land and in the heart of the Arab world.
Zenwick,
You probably did not understand what I was trying to say and I do not understand what you are trying to say. My point is,nobody over there is willing to accept anybody else's criteria, reality notwithstandin. To the question you are directing to me: that housemate would certainly get his butt wiped out before me; no doubt about that.
How would you feel if your housemate opened fire on you, and served notice that he would move back into the house as soon as he was able to finally kill you?
The way things have been and still are, Israel will disappear along with the rest of the Middle East in one of the greatest confrontations ever (we are not talking about stones and arrows here). It's hard to say, but none of these folks are really willing to negotiate in good terms at all. Now, for Yossi Melman; how would you feel if you are evicted, evacuated or however you want to state it, from your house, along with your family and then, later on, you are being told that you are allowed to come back but to a little room in the basement of your own house and use only the half-bathroom available?
Why wouldn't someone call you an anti-semite for your last post? "Thanks for Nothing Jews". . .
That's terribly enlightened. All Jews are to be blamed for things (that you dubiously) claim are the result of US support for Israel?
Then all Americans are to be blamed, including you, for slavery, murder of the Native Americans, Mistreatment of Detainees, and the Global Credit Crisis.
All Christians are to be blamed for the pogroms of Europe, the spanish inquisition and the atrocities of the crusade...
Understand I don't hold these beliefs but they make as much sense as Mr. Steve...
I think the question of how long Israel can survive is a good one, because it comes down to the question of, whose side is time on? Palestinians hope they can keep the issue front-and-center by playing the victim in the world press, stoking antisemitism, and linking it to fears of world-wide terrorism.
Israelis hope they can make it go away by building a barrier, to let the Arabs stew in their own juices. The problem with that approach has been cross-border rockets, and will be the future Iranian nukes.
As long as each side thinks they can get an advantage by deadlocking the process, there will be no solution.
Don't you think that 60 years is long enough for Israel to be sucking on Americas teats?
When will you Jews stand up for yourselves?
If America stopped giving Israel billions of dollars in aid, and most of your weapons, what then would you do?
Don't even try to call me anti-semetic. America has done more for Israel than any other country in the world. What has Israel done for America?
1. A never ending war.
2. AIPAC
3. Joe F-ing Lieberman.
4. Military stike against our Navy
thanks for nothing Jews
Israel may survive to be 100 but not much longer. Israel’s fate will follow America’s fate, which doesn’t look very promising over the next 40 or 50 years. As America gradually becomes a minority country and the present ruling class loses power, support for Israel will decline and without American support Israel will cease to exist.
US doesn't stand on its own feet, all the time. The Mortgage Crisis has led to major US corporations receiving bail outs through cash infusions by Asian Nations, middle east nations and European interests... Arguably US economy would have really crashed absent foreign assistance....
US is one the worlds biggest benefactors in terms of cash, and Israel certainly benefits greatly. However under the same demand, "stand on your own two feet", dozens of other nations would have to be cut off and would probably fail. Would Israel fail without US cash but with US military backing? That would be an interesting question.
Answer: Probably not, but as rude as this is, to the victor goes the spoils. When in the Middle east has any nation victorious in military operation returned the land it annexed? Only Once, and I'll give you a hint... 1978, Camp David, Egyptian peace... Answer: The Sinai returned by the Israelis...
Why was this politically possible? The Sinai was never really a part of either Israel or the previous territory of Palestine. What was a part of the previous territory of Palestine, and considered by the 1st independent government in the area in centuries as a part of the State was/is the Gaza and the West Bank.
That said, might does not make right.
Will peace prevail? Two possible scenarios:
1. Predominantly Muslim Middle East contries follow the Egyptian model, recognize Israel, stop fighting it, and focus on internal improvements & accomodating Palestinian Muslims; or
2. Collapse of the economies of the Oil producing Arab Nations such that they have no choice.
The only third choice is nuclear obliteration of the middle east by Iran-Israel conflict.
(...)"Israel cannot be defeated by conventional means. It is too strong. It is a nuclear power. Iran's president has calculated that nuclear war would destroy all of Israel but not all of Islam. Do we really want nuclear war on this planet?"(...)
Moshe Epstein ("there is no proof of Israel having a nuclear arsenal. Those are just rumors started by the terrorist governments")
Any comments about this dear Moshe?, maybe you may need to remind your fellow country man to keep it hush-hush and not get too carried away.
We all know Israel has nuclear weapons thanks to our support, all efforts to show otherwise have been fruitless. Please, do not insult our intelligence.
Just show me your country can stop asking for more money from us. That's all I want as an American, it is time for Israel to stand on its own like we do.
WHy does Israel think they are above the law?? They keep expanding further into occupied territory, they ignore UN resolutions, and employ a double standard when it comes to nukes. We can have them but no one else? Why won't Israel sign the NPT? Iran has and this gives them the RIGHT to enrich uranium as long as the concentration stays below 5%. Nukes require over 90%.
As far as Camp David Summit and Peace Accords? If you switch the names Palestine and Israel on the paper, would Israel have accepted the map of the proposed Palestine state as their own? A state broken into unconnected pieces...without any soverignity over their airspace? I seriously doubt it.
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Iran will declare the details of its nuclear program when Isreal does the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Die a painful death you dirty Jews!!!!!!!!
June 2, 2008 7:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 2, 2008 19:13
If I only had a bit more time; there would now be peace in the middle east. DEATH TO ISRAEL.
Eva, I miss you.
May 23, 2008 5:18 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 23, 2008 17:18
FUCY YOU ISRAEL! Americans hate you.
May 23, 2008 5:14 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 23, 2008 17:14
When all Jews in Israel are dead; there will finally be peace in the middle east.
Additionally; please stop referring to Israel as a U.S. ally. The U.S. is certainly a useful tool to Israel; but not an ally!
May 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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May 20, 2008 6:38 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 20, 2008 18:38
How was the Apartheid israel established in 1947/8? Was Palestine a land withou people in 1948?
Where are the 80% of the population of PAlestine live now after it was ethnically cleanesed by jewish terrorist gangs such as Hgahnah,Irgun,Palmah and Irgun??
Why did these jewish terror gangs destroy over 600 PAlestinian towns and village from which the PAlestinians were ethnically cleanesed in 1947/8?
Read jewish hsitorians such Ilan Pappe,Shabtai Teveth,Beni Morris on jewih ethnic cleanesing of Palestinians.
More importantly see WWW.PALNDS.ORG for full coverage of the question of Palestine.
May 20, 2008 5:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 20, 2008 17:58
Its very interesting to analyze the selection of featured comments, indeed goes to show the neutrality out here!! What else should I have expected...
I am simply amazed at how many people in the West think that a peaceful solution to Israel is based on the realities and practical assesssment by Palestinians!! Well, the same was forgotten at the time of creation of Israel but it is being imposed upon Palestinans so stongly for the last 60 years!!
If any one thinks that Hamas accepting Israel will result in peace for Israel, its simply out of question. Israel and in particular its allies have to understand the whole thought process of Palestinians as well as Muslims throughout the world. They will never accept Israel unless they are convinced of its justification for its creation. For that to happen, you need to have a global neutral media where the case is strongly advocated against debates from its opponents. A sustained process of such debates against its enemies even those who want to wipe it off the face will earn respect and knowledge about the issue. It will separate facts from opinions and give each individual whether pro-Israeli or anti-Israel a chance to develop his / her own opinion.
I hope the above advice is pursued otherwise we will all live in our brain washed thoughts (for both sides of the conflict) forever!!
May 19, 2008 8:43 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 19, 2008 08:43
Mike Wallace: PLEASE commit yourself to a mental institution!!!
DEATH TO ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 17, 2008 6:29 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2008 18:29
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On Mideast Trip, Bush Emphasizes Commitment to Peace Deal
SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt, May 17 -- President Bush sought to assure Arabs on Saturday that he is committed to securing an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal by the end of the year, as he arrived at this Red Sea resort for a quick round of consultations with key allies.
- By Michael Abramowitz
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4 As being forever truly found, as being faithfully forever true, of themselves, as forever seen. In being against, all that I am, as I am god, as forever seen and true.
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24 If, those non christian-unrepentiful true nations, who hate me, forever. Shall not repent in christ Jesus, forever.
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38 Found unto me, forever. As being forever certain, in satan forever. And they are found, unto me. As being forever true, as being found, as being truly beastly.
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48 And, they are truly, forever seen, in death forever. And they are seen unto me forever. As being, eternally forever true. As satan true sin, as being eternally forever true sin, forever.
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56 As I (I is the sinner person) am a found sinner, unto god, as being forever true of myself (myself is the word sinner), forever“.
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69 Eternal death, as found in the damned forever, it seen. As being, unholy and unrighteous, spiritual true works, that is found in satan’s true death, forever.
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70 And that death, in the damned forever. It is found, in satan, as being, forever seen, as true death, as forever true. And it is desired, as being faithfully forever seen, by the lost unto me forever.
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71 And that true death, in the damned, it is seen by me forever true. As being forever true, and, forever seen. And that death, it is seen, to be as satan is dead, forever.
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72 And satanism, seen true works, as found in their desired true death, as being forever seen by me forever. It is called true death, and those works of satan and of the beast, whom (beast is the word man), is called man, as forever seen.
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73 It is forever seen, and, is forever found, in satan, himself, as granted true death, from me, as being forever true death. And that true death, it is forever seen,
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74 As seen in the damned, as being forever true death, forever. And the damned, and, with satan himself, together, and with satan’s true kind, who (kind is all fallen angels) are called devils, they are all together, as seen and called: ’As being the beast”, forever.
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75 And they are found, unto me, as being forever certain. As being in satanism unto me, as being forever true of themselves, in the service of their faithful and true worship unto satan and to satan‘s kind, forever.
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76 And they are forever seen. And they are seen in death, forever. And, all ungodly, antichrist, true nations. As they are found by me, as forever sure, as being seen by me, in their, seen sin, forever.
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77 And they are found by me, forever. As being forever true, as being seen, in eternal true works, found in death forever. And, it is seen, as heavenly true death. As being forever certain and ever lasting, forever true.
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78 And, they the damned and all fallen true nations. They are found unto me forever, as being in satan forever. And they, are also found unto me forever,
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79 In unholy, and, in unrighteous physical true works, that are called, eternal true death, forever.
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80 Those unrepentiful true nations in satan forever. They are even found unto me, as found. In their manifesting, of: “Unrepentiful, true sinful true works“, That is called granted true death, forever.
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81 And granted true death forever. It is being found forever granted, to them, who are found in satanism, as being eternally forever true of themselves,
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82 As they are found unto me, in the service of satan. As being forever true of themselves forever.
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83 And, if they be found unto me forever, in satanism, as being eternally forever true of themselves, in satan‘s true death, as being forever seen. Then they shall die unto all that is me in christ Jesus,
forever.
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84 And, through the judgment of the nations, my eternal just judgments. They are given by me, through christ Jesus, forever true, unto all nations,
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85 who are all non christian nations of the earth forever. That are seen unto me forever. As being, in satanism, as being forever true and ever lasting forever, of themselves, forever.
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86 And I shall damn them all non christian nations forever, who are considered by me, as being, rejectful to me, true nations, forever. And, they shall die unto me, as being forever true of themselves, forever,
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87 And, in this judgment of the nations, as being forever seen, upon the unrepentiful forever seen and true, non christian nations, forever, who are judged,
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88 As they will never repent and receive christ Jesus my eternal true son, who is with life, that is called god, forever.
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89 Then any of those nations, who are found unto me, as being forever certain, as that nation or nations that will never repent and receive christ forever.
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90 Then that nation and or nations, they shall die unto me forever seen, as being forever true. As being forever eternally forever true. And, they are considered by me, as being forever certain,
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91 As themselves, in being dead unto me, as forever true, and, as being forever seen, in death, forever true. And, they shall be seen, unto me, as being forever certain, and, true forever, in their sin, as being forever seen.
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92 Therefore, end time judgment. It is given of me (god), and is found, of me (god), worthily, unto whom, end time judgments, are forever, righteously forever due, unto. And that judgment, it is forever truly seen.
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93 And all end time judgments, are called life and death, forever. Therefore, let all nations, chose me, or they shall die unto me forever,
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94 And that decision, it must be made quickly, saith thy eternal one, who is seen, and is called, the lord thy god, forever.
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95 In these true days, forever. All ungodly nations, they shall be judged by me forever. And I will hold them accountable, for the deeds that they do perform,
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96 As they do perform those deeds, against me, as being found by me, as being forever true of themselves. As they are found by me, in satanism forever.
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97 And, those, ungodly true deeds, as found, as being true toward me. As they themselves, are seen by me forever true. In that they do perform those deeds, unto me, as being forever true of themselves in satan forever.
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98 And those true deeds, they are seen. As being, in satan eternally forever true. And those ungodly blasphemous true deeds, they shall be recompense back,
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99 Unto themselves, as measured unto themselves, in true punishment, from me, as being forever true, of me forever certain.
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100 And, most certainly, measured true punishment, it is given to themselves, from me, as being forever seen true punishment. And that true punishment,
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101 It is seen, as being forever true, from me, as being forever and eternally seen, true punishment. That is called god forever,
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102 And that true punishment. That is called god forever. It is seen, and is called dead death, as being forever seen, and it is now, found on the earth, and in hell, forever.
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103 And that eternal, most true punishment, it is from me forever true. And it is seen, as being true in me forever. And it is, given most surely, unto themselves, as being forever seen, true judgment, forever,
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104 And that eternal ever lasting true punishment, it is called eternal dead death forever. And it is from me forever. And I, the lord of heaven and earth, forever,
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105 I the lord, I do hold all nations, accountable, for their seen sins. That they, do against all, that is me, as I am creation, as forever seen.
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106 And I, shall damn all non christian true nations of the earth forever, that will not receive Jesus christ, forever. And I will send a fire, from me, unto all of them, forever. And I will give death and dissolving and great punishment,
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107 Unto those devil nations, as they are found unto me, as being in satanism forever, as they are seen by me, forever. In their seen true sins, that is called: “I (I is the sinner) desire death, as being forever true“.
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108 And, through the judgment of the nations. If these ungodly, true, non christian nations of the earth, forever, shall not repent and be baptized, in the son, who is called, Jesus christ,
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109 Then they have most surely, bought upon themselves, and, upon all of their seen children. Death and great eternal, blasting, true destruction, from me, as being forever true of me forever,
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110 And I (god) will destroy them with their seen sins, forever. And even those nations, that trust in their false idol gods, I (god) shall shame those nations, by making those nations, see,
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111 That without christ, they shall die, forever. And that in trusting their idols, that they have bought great dissolving true judgment, from me (god), as being forever true, upon themselves, as being forever seen.
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112 And, those satan true nations in satanism forever. They shall become greatly angered at their false idols, which hath not life forever. And they shall revolt against their false, seen and hidden idols of falsehood.
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113 And those nations which shall not repent, by receiving Jesus christ, as christ Jesus, being their savior, as being forever seen. Then, they shall die unto me (god) forever,
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114 And their seed shall die unto me (god) forever, unless they repent in christ Jesus, forever.
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115 These false nations, they are not, true nations of life, that is called christ, unto me (god), forever. And without christ, in them. They shall die unto me forever.
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116 And I will judge them forever, if they destroy not their seen idols, forever. And if they accept not Jesus christ, as this Jesus being their seen savior, from me, forever,
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117 And without christ Jesus being their seen savior forever. Then they are seen unto me, as being faithfully forever seen, as being seen in satanism,
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118 As being forever true, and they are forever found, unto me forever true. In their desired true death, forever certain.
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119 And I, and I shall, trumpet, unto those ungodly, true nations, that are found unto satan himself, forever, and that are found by me, in their desired true death,
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120 As being forever true of themselves. As they are found unto me, in their desired, true, iniquity. That is called sin, forever.
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121 And those satan true nations, they must, therefore, all repent unto me, as being forever true of themselves, forever. Or they shall die unto me, as being forever true.
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122 And, they must repent, quickly at this time of the fallen true earth, forever, and turn unto me forever. And I am seen, as: “The god of truth“, forever.
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123 And, as I am truth forever. Those nonchristian, true rebellious, seen nations, as they are found unto me and found by me, in their seen satanism, forever. They must turn unto me, as being forever true,
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124 And, through, my eternal, and most true judgment, that is called: “The judgment of the nations“. If they, shall not repent, unto me, as being forever seen,
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125 As being quickly seen in repenting to me now, and, as being forever true. Then I shall cause war and or plagues and or famines,
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126 To seek out those ungodly true nations. That are nations, that are found unto me, in death, as being forever true, of themselves forever.
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127 And I will destroy them forever. And I shall even cause their pleasant true skies, to flee away from them, forever. And I shall stop the rain, unto them, forever,
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128 And I shall stop the snow unto them, and I shall cause their crops to die, unto them. And all their animals, shall die, unto me, and I shall fight against those satanism true ones, as forever seen.
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129 And I (god) shall call fire out of the sky to devour them, in all their seen labors. That is found in this satan true life, forever.
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130 And, those ungodly, true, non christian nations. That are found unto satanism, forever. They shall cease to exist, in the earth, forever,
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131 Unless they repent and receive Jesus christ, as christ Jesus, being their seen savior, forever.
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132 Therefore, let your false gods, and let satan give you life forever. And in his (satan) hand of life, thou shalt die in his tainted true life, forever, for in sin, thou art already found in satan himself, forever.
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133 And satan’s true hand of life, it isn’t christly true life, as found in me forever, but it is truly found unto me forever, as death forever,
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134 And in satan, thou art already cursed with death and thou shalt die forever, unless thou renounce satan forever, by accepting Jesus christ,
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135 As by, accepting Jesus christ, as thy seen, personal, living forever, true savior. As christ Jesus, is given of me forever, unto the earth, forever.
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136 Therefore, let all nations, consider, through the judgment of the nations. That they need to consider, their ways of blasphemous eternal true death, that is forever and ever upon them, forever,
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137 And that, they must repent, or I will destroy them, for desiring to be non christian nations of the earth, forever.
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138 And, in me, is the life called man and woman, as forever seen--therefore--repent--or thou shalt die unto me forever, saith thy god, who is thy creator, as forever seen.
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Roger wallace author of “THE GOD OF TRUTH”, found at: I-proclaim, isbn 978-1-60585-521-9.
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May 17, 2008 6:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2008 18:05
I am proud to be Anti-Irael! And so are my fellow U.S. citizens!
May 16, 2008 3:14 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 16, 2008 15:14
@ Mike Devlin:
Yes, there are many anti-semites in the US. Thank you for pointing that out (90%, no, but many). Are you trying to say that you would be proud to be counted as one?
@Ben Schlomo:
Nationalistic threats of death to all enemies adds nothing positive to the discussion. You find yourself precariously close to the level of those on this board who spew anti-jewish rhetoric. Please be more constructive.
@Ravi Chavez:
See comment to Ben Schlomo. You could have made your argument stronger without resorting to the Kill 'Em All approach.
May 16, 2008 3:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 16, 2008 15:02
Israel will survive longer than the U.S. We are a peaceful yet strong country. You in the U.S. will all die before we do. You do not know how to deal with the terrorist Muslims. We will kill them; you will die.
May 15, 2008 6:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 15, 2008 18:57
The only hope for peace in the middle east is the demise of Israel. If brought to a vote in the U.S., 90% of our citizens would vote to cut the funding of the Israel death machine; which is truly a terrorist state. The only people U.S. citizens hate more than Arabs is Jews. Take a poll; I know that I'm right!
May 15, 2008 6:53 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 15, 2008 18:53
Mike Santora says:
“Let's recap was Israel has done for the U.S.:
Jonathon Pollard
The Liberty Incident
AIPAC
Mid East Violence
Etc. Etc.”
This plus the billions of dollars in annual grants dumped on it as well as the uncritical blind support afforded it both militarily and politically had earned the USA the enmity of the Muslim world; 59 countries with 1.6 billion people who own most of the world‘s oil reserves. All this reinforces my thesis of long ago that Israel to the USA is as Delilah to Samson. If unchecked will bring about the demise of this giant.
May 15, 2008 5:42 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 15, 2008 05:42
If Israel is to survive as a Jewish state, a two state solution is required. Israel will need to withdrawal from much of the West Bank and Golan Heights, but it will reserve the right to protect itself from attacks as it currently does in Lebanon and Syria. Israel and the US must also prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, since the president of that country has repeatedly stated his desire to destroy Israel. I do not support Israel because it is a Jewish state or because it is a US ally, I support it because it is the most advanced and tolerant nation in the region.
May 14, 2008 9:48 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 14, 2008 21:48
Ben Schlomo: "The state of Israel has done everything in its power to live in peace with our neighbors... In order the live in peace, my country will kill every one of our enemies. The citizens of Israel are compassionate caring people. Do not stand in the way of our peace or you will die."
One cannot hope for a more Orwellian tirade than that!
May 14, 2008 7:40 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 14, 2008 19:40
Let's recap was Israel has done for the U.S.:
Jonathon Pollard
The Liberty Incident
AIPAC
Mid East Violence
Etc. Etc.
Any presidential candidate who runs in the U.S. on a platform of disengaging from Israel would win in a landslide. U.S. citizens hate the violent state of Irael!!!!
May 14, 2008 7:37 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 14, 2008 19:37
I cannot beieve the anti-semetic remarks being posted in this blog. The state of Israel has done everything in its power to live in peace with our neighbors. But like during the holocaust the prevailing theme of this blog seems to be death to the Jews. Have we not suffered enough. I had a fourth cousin die at the hands of the Nazis. Haven't I suffered enough because of the death in a family member. In order the live in peace, my country will kill every one of our enemies. The citizens of Israel are compassionate caring people. Do not stand in the way of our peace or you will die.
May 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 14, 2008 19:05
Yes, the question should not even be asked! Too scary for WP's Official Commentators. Let's keep silent and problems will disappear! Of course... Very wise. Very wise indeed! Keep it up!
May 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 14, 2008 18:30
Israel killed three more people in the Gaza strip this morning.
One a 17 year old boy riding his bike. The other two were civilians, too.
Israel loves to use it's American Arms, loves killing Palestinians. What a lovely bunch.
May 14, 2008 11:23 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 14, 2008 11:23
In discussing whether israel will, or should should survive 40 more years,
let us read the AP story this morning...
Israel is planning more settlements and expansions on the West Bank.
It was mentioned only in passing about Bush's trip where he had to avoid meeting the crooked Ohlmert, about to be indicted.
The quesiton HERE should be not if, but WHETHER, whether Israel should suvive much longer. I, for one, do not disagree with the rest of the world, (in the new,prominent BBC survey, showing that Israel is the least respected and most hated state in the world.
In the words, which is more important, Israel's greed and ugly desire to own Palestine and control all of the ME. Or the welfare of the rest of the world. Do we love genocide?
May 14, 2008 11:18 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 14, 2008 11:18
Jorge,
I am pro-Israel because Israel is our ally. I am pro-England, pro-Canada and pro-any country that is our friend.
Consider this. Israel is surrounded by countries that not only want its destruction but who sponsor terrorism against the US (19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis as is bin Laden). Israel has been our staunchest ally in the war on terror, helping us get vital intelligence on terrorists. As I mentioned, they did our dirty work for us in attacking Iran's nuclear development facilities.
I would say that Israel's friendship is worth a great deal to us and is worth the relatively small amount of foreign aid we give it.
And for those who think that wiping Israel off the face of the earth (such as Joshua Arbol) will bring peace to the middle east, consider this: Israel is not responsible for Syrian occupation of Lebanon, the infighting in Iraq, the Iraq-Iran war, the tension between Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India (both of which are nuclear), and the general animosity between Shiites and Sunni Arabs. If anything, one may make the point that by being the sacrificial lamb that Muslims turn their animosity toward, Israel lessens the conflicts that would otherwise erupt among Shiites and Sunnis. Of course, with Iran's growing influence in Iraq and its desire to be the pre-eminent power in the middle east, we may see that conflict anyway. If that happens, the conflicts in Israel will seem small by comparison.
May 14, 2008 9:58 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 14, 2008 09:58
Wes Wienstein wrote:
"The anti Jewish remarks give me chills. Israel is a peaceful country.... "
This is another trick of the zionist types. They use the two word "Jewish" and "Israel" interchangably. Over the decades they have learned that people consider being anti-Jewish as bad. Therefore if we confuse the two words, then anti-Israeli is equivalent to anti-Jewish. That way the state of Israel can do anything it wants with impunity; because no one wants to be called an anti-semite. I think many people are figuring this out; and that scares the hell out of Wes Weinstein types.
May 14, 2008 9:39 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 14, 2008 09:39
Read the Old Testament. It is a testament as to how stupid the "main characters" were.
May 13, 2008 11:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 23:09
The anti Jewish remarks give me chills. Israel is a peaceful country meaning no harm to outsiders. Muslims who die in our conflicts are terrorists. My country only kills when absolutely necessary. We want peace and are not an agressive state; but we will kill all who threaten. It is a shame when peace loving Israelis are forced to kill in order to preserve our peace. We are living in our promised land and will defend ourselves from all intruders. All we want is peace! So don't threaten us or you will die like a dog.
May 13, 2008 10:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 22:58
Remember the Liberty; you dirty terrorists!!
May 13, 2008 10:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 22:44
Zenwick wrote:
>we're not unused to a lack of respect from >people of other religions, who nonetheless >think highly of themselves and their >relationship with God.
Why do you think respondeders to BBC's survey did not deem Israel respectable on religious grounds? Let us take religion out of this. Israel, after all is a state. As a state, it has done things that nation-states have done over centuries, grabbing land and enslaving those in them. This is the same stuff that the axis powers in WWII, and all the conquerors before them did. The allies of WWII has more universal aims. The Western allies believed in liberal values for all nations. The sovies were internationalists in the socialist sence. Isreal of today has a lot in common with Nazis and Tojo Japanese becuase all it cares about is its own nation's welfare.
May 13, 2008 7:45 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 19:45
Max wrote:
"the Jews who were the victims of WWII have founded a country that is not respected now because it has taken the nationalistic route."
It's an interesting point, and it's the reason why there are devout Jews (like the nitwits who attended Ahmedinejad's Wipe-Israel-Off-The-Map-Fest) who don't think statehood and godliness are compatible.
On the other hand, for Jews, non-statehood and being exterminated have been very compatible, so most of us don't figure on going there again. Anyway, we're not unused to a lack of respect from people of other religions, who nonetheless think highly of themselves and their relationship with God.
May 13, 2008 5:00 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 17:00
BBC conducts an annual poll around the world to rank countries on the basis of how well respected they are. In the last few years Germany and Japan are among the most respected and Israel (along with Iran) is considered the least respected. This is very ironic considering the legacy of mankind's greatest struggle, world war II. That war was foungh between one side that had more of an internationalist and idealistic bent (the allies); and the other side that had specifically nationalistic agendas (German and Japan). The irony is that the Germans and the Japanese has taken the internationalistic banner, and are respected for it, but the Jews who were the victims of WWII have founded a country that is not respected now because it has taken the nationalistic route. This is one of the greatest reversals in history.
May 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 15:15
@Casablanca:
I think you missed my point, or maybe not...
I was suggesting that Israel had already brokered peace with a neighbor at a relatively high price (land for peace where the land returned is larger than the Pre-'67 size of Israel).
Hezbollah's influence is widespread through Lebanon and Syria, but will more likely trigger another full scale civil war in Lebanon before is is a true threat to Israel.
Iran CLAIMS not to be seeking nuclear weapons, just like Israel REFUSES to discuss whether or not it has a nuclear arsenal. Iraq will be a mess for a long time before it is able to mount a campaign of its own (a Topic worthy of a whole other series, not here). Hamas can't stop incursions and occupation by the enemy it is sworn to destroy. Heck, Hamas interferes with attempts to feed its own people.
Islamic Republic in Egypt? Maybe, but not yet...
In the end my point was, who (in the Middle East)other that Israel has been asked to give up land it currently controls? Who else (in the Middle East) has returned (voluntarily) land it controlled?
May 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 15:15
The day Israel is wiped off the map is the day there will be peace in the middle east. If the U.S. wants peace they should cut off the funding for the Israeli death machine (IDF)!!!!!!!!!
May 13, 2008 3:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 15:09
Jorge:
Will we ever get back money from the Lend-Lease program of WWII that was sent to the Other Allies (no not in full)? Will The Egyptians ever return the subsidies they have received (no)? Will Colombia ever return the funds it received, or Venezuela, or Panama... I could go on and on. That is the nature of foreign aid sent by the US, to well neigh more than 1/2 the nations on the planet.
Israel is not my country, but I do not favor its destruction either, as some here seem to desire. If you believe that Israel has given no effort to its current success then nothing anyone says to you will ever matter b/c you would be choosing to ignore reality. Barren land now produces food. Idustry and manufacturing exist beyond the means of its neighbors. Not all from US money. . .
May 13, 2008 2:26 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 14:26
Jorge:
Will we ever get back money from the Lend-Lease program of WWII that was sent to the Other Allies (no not in full)? Will The Egyptians ever return the subsidies they have received (no)? That is the nature of foreign aid sent by the US, to well neigh more than 1/2 the nations on the planet. Will Colombia ever return the funds it received, or Venezuela, or Panama... I could go on and on.
Israel is not my country, I do not favor its destruction either, as some here seem to desire. If you believe that Israel has given no effort to its current success then nothing anyone says to you will ever matter b/c you would be choosing to ignore reality. Barren land now produces food. Idustry and manufacturing exist beyond the means of its neighbors. Not all from US money. . .
May 13, 2008 2:25 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 14:25
Enlightenment:
By the "victor's spoils" you mean Hamas's increasing capacity to hit Southern Israel? Or Hizbullah's growing influence in Labeanon? Perphas both. Maybe you mean Iran's nuclear program and emergence as Israel's most potent adversary. Oh, and I forgot about the Islamic Republic of Iraq and the future Islamic Republic of Egypt. Congratulations! Enjoy the spoils. Please don't share them with me.
May 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 14:13
Enlightenment:
Indeed, interesting question, what would Israel do without US military backing?, which, by the way it also costs money. In any case, Israel's fate is tied to our economy, if we ever go down we will drag you, unless, again, your nation proves that it is really a prosperous, self-sufficient as any official propaganda wants us to believe.
I personally compare this nation to the rich kid who lives large thanks to a rich relative but not thanks to his/her own effort.
How much does Israel owe to the United States considering the huge amount of dollars delivered every year?, will we ever get our money back?. Even Colombia which is officially labeled "ally" doesn't get that royal treatment: unrestricted borrowing.
May 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 14:13
As a racist apartheid entity,israel was born dead,it has no moral or legal legitimacy what so ever ,it has no constitution,no borders:no colonial settler state ever survived in the Arab East:the crusaders' statelets were finally evicted after a fragmented and precerious existence for two centuries;French colonialism in and of Alegeria for 130 years did not fare better,so was the nuclear armed racist apartheid white south africa.
israel has no chance in hell to survive-not while eleven million tormented and dispossessed Palestinians live either in jewish concentration camps in their own homeland or in refugee camps within one or two hours drive from their occupied home lands in historic Palestine.
Solution:
One secular multi-cultural multi-religious democrcay for all: Arabs (Christains and Muslims)and jews who lived in historic Palestine at or before 1914-all other jews who landed there after 1914 who are in fact illegal jewish immigrants sumggled by the British mandate authority should go back to where they come from and leave the homes and land they stole from the ethnically cleanesed Palestinians by jewish terrorist groups(hagana,palmach,irgun,shtern)in 1947/8.
No other solution will ever work-never;it is just untainable to have an occupying racist apartheid militaristic jewish theocracy on Arab land and in the heart of the Arab world.
May 13, 2008 2:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 14:01
Zenwick,
You probably did not understand what I was trying to say and I do not understand what you are trying to say. My point is,nobody over there is willing to accept anybody else's criteria, reality notwithstandin. To the question you are directing to me: that housemate would certainly get his butt wiped out before me; no doubt about that.
May 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 13:59
@Frank Rivas:
How would you feel if your housemate opened fire on you, and served notice that he would move back into the house as soon as he was able to finally kill you?
May 13, 2008 1:36 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 13:36
The way things have been and still are, Israel will disappear along with the rest of the Middle East in one of the greatest confrontations ever (we are not talking about stones and arrows here). It's hard to say, but none of these folks are really willing to negotiate in good terms at all. Now, for Yossi Melman; how would you feel if you are evicted, evacuated or however you want to state it, from your house, along with your family and then, later on, you are being told that you are allowed to come back but to a little room in the basement of your own house and use only the half-bathroom available?
May 13, 2008 1:20 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 13:20
Steve:
Why wouldn't someone call you an anti-semite for your last post? "Thanks for Nothing Jews". . .
That's terribly enlightened. All Jews are to be blamed for things (that you dubiously) claim are the result of US support for Israel?
Then all Americans are to be blamed, including you, for slavery, murder of the Native Americans, Mistreatment of Detainees, and the Global Credit Crisis.
All Christians are to be blamed for the pogroms of Europe, the spanish inquisition and the atrocities of the crusade...
Understand I don't hold these beliefs but they make as much sense as Mr. Steve...
May 13, 2008 1:14 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 13:14
Correction: Kosovo is not a UN member state.
May 13, 2008 1:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 13:05
By the way, I love the screen name. I wonder how many get the literary reference. Are you planning a military coup?
May 13, 2008 12:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 12:58
I think the question of how long Israel can survive is a good one, because it comes down to the question of, whose side is time on? Palestinians hope they can keep the issue front-and-center by playing the victim in the world press, stoking antisemitism, and linking it to fears of world-wide terrorism.
Israelis hope they can make it go away by building a barrier, to let the Arabs stew in their own juices. The problem with that approach has been cross-border rockets, and will be the future Iranian nukes.
As long as each side thinks they can get an advantage by deadlocking the process, there will be no solution.
May 13, 2008 12:54 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 12:54
Don't you think that 60 years is long enough for Israel to be sucking on Americas teats?
When will you Jews stand up for yourselves?
If America stopped giving Israel billions of dollars in aid, and most of your weapons, what then would you do?
Don't even try to call me anti-semetic. America has done more for Israel than any other country in the world. What has Israel done for America?
1. A never ending war.
2. AIPAC
3. Joe F-ing Lieberman.
4. Military stike against our Navy
thanks for nothing Jews
May 13, 2008 12:16 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 12:16
Israel may survive to be 100 but not much longer. Israel’s fate will follow America’s fate, which doesn’t look very promising over the next 40 or 50 years. As America gradually becomes a minority country and the present ruling class loses power, support for Israel will decline and without American support Israel will cease to exist.
May 13, 2008 12:06 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 12:06
Jorge:
US doesn't stand on its own feet, all the time. The Mortgage Crisis has led to major US corporations receiving bail outs through cash infusions by Asian Nations, middle east nations and European interests... Arguably US economy would have really crashed absent foreign assistance....
US is one the worlds biggest benefactors in terms of cash, and Israel certainly benefits greatly. However under the same demand, "stand on your own two feet", dozens of other nations would have to be cut off and would probably fail. Would Israel fail without US cash but with US military backing? That would be an interesting question.
May 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 12:05
Krummy26
Answer: Probably not, but as rude as this is, to the victor goes the spoils. When in the Middle east has any nation victorious in military operation returned the land it annexed? Only Once, and I'll give you a hint... 1978, Camp David, Egyptian peace... Answer: The Sinai returned by the Israelis...
Why was this politically possible? The Sinai was never really a part of either Israel or the previous territory of Palestine. What was a part of the previous territory of Palestine, and considered by the 1st independent government in the area in centuries as a part of the State was/is the Gaza and the West Bank.
That said, might does not make right.
Will peace prevail? Two possible scenarios:
1. Predominantly Muslim Middle East contries follow the Egyptian model, recognize Israel, stop fighting it, and focus on internal improvements & accomodating Palestinian Muslims; or
2. Collapse of the economies of the Oil producing Arab Nations such that they have no choice.
The only third choice is nuclear obliteration of the middle east by Iran-Israel conflict.
May 13, 2008 11:55 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 11:55
From "Consider this" who is obviously pro-Israel:
(...)"Israel cannot be defeated by conventional means. It is too strong. It is a nuclear power. Iran's president has calculated that nuclear war would destroy all of Israel but not all of Islam. Do we really want nuclear war on this planet?"(...)
Moshe Epstein ("there is no proof of Israel having a nuclear arsenal. Those are just rumors started by the terrorist governments")
Any comments about this dear Moshe?, maybe you may need to remind your fellow country man to keep it hush-hush and not get too carried away.
We all know Israel has nuclear weapons thanks to our support, all efforts to show otherwise have been fruitless. Please, do not insult our intelligence.
May 13, 2008 11:46 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 11:46
Sari, fine with me.
Just show me your country can stop asking for more money from us. That's all I want as an American, it is time for Israel to stand on its own like we do.
May 13, 2008 11:33 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 13, 2008 11:33
WHy does Israel think they are above the law?? They keep expanding further into occupied territory, they ignore UN resolutions, and employ a double standard when it comes to nukes. We can have them but no one else? Why won't Israel sign the NPT? Iran has and this gives them the RIGHT to enrich uranium as long as the concentration stays below 5%. Nukes require over 90%.
As far as Camp David Summit and Peace Accords? If you switch the names Palestine and Israel on the paper, would Israel have accepted the map of the proposed Palestine state as their own? A state broken into unconnected pieces...without any soverignity over their airspace? I seriously doubt it.
Someone tell why my rationale is wrong. Peace.
May 13, 2008 11:33 AM |