Yossi Melman is a senior commentator for the Israeli daily Haaretz. He specializes in intelligence, security, terrorism and strategic issues. An author of seven books on these topics, his most recent book, The Nuclear Sphinx of Tehran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the State of Iran was published recently by Carroll & Graf.
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Yossi Melman is a senior commentator for the Israeli daily Haaretz. He specializes in intelligence, security, terrorism and strategic issues. An author of seven books on these topics, his most recent book, The Nuclear Sphinx of Tehran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the State of Iran was published recently by Carroll & Graf.
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Imad Mughniyah is as much a terrorist as Goerge Bush. I do not believe that Mughniyah has caused the death of 4000 US troups and a million Iraqis.
Bush did. The Mossad is a terrorist organization.
It is a cat and mouse game. The roles change between the various players.
Anyone defending the right and freedom of his people is a freedom fighter, not a terrorist.
Imad Mughnayah was a 1st class freedom fighter.
Was the Haganah freedom fighter org.or a terrorist
org.?
Now, do we want peace or do we get hung up on semantics? The Arabs,Israelis and their patrons
need to make up their minds now before it is too late. Quit talking and let us start working for peace
The reason Mughniyah was considered a hero and not a terrorist in the Middle East is for the same reason Israeli assassins are considered to be heroes and not terrorist in the west. One mans terrorist is another mans hero. From a proud liberal. END THE WAR IN IRAQ.
The Melman and Raviv essay seems to be right on target and suggests the difficulty of democratic states defending themselves against authoritarian terrorists. An even more unpleasant possibility strikes me as unlikely but something that cannot be ruled out: the American intelligence services will not work as hard as they might to prevent a Hezbollah attack on the US in order to push the election to a Republican who will be less likely to investigate the "dirty war" that has been carried out since 9/11. I hope I am wrong.
Why a jewish state on Arab historic Palestine-with all the "GOODIES" that came with it during the past sixty years? It is much more cost-effective to declare New York as jewish state:it has more jews than in occupied Palestine.
This opinion article by Yossi Melman is typical of the flawed reasoning behind any attempt to respond to terrorism by killing the terrorists, famous or not (Feb 25 article) . The point is that it makes absolutely no difference to terrorist aims to destroy Israel whether a leading terrorist is killed or not.. Does Mr Melman actually believe that by not assassinating the high profile terrorist that there would be a respite in their evil efforts to kill Israelis. No..absolutely not.. In fact, I would argue that it makes more sense to kill as many of the high and mighty terrorist leaders as possible to thwart their plans...Mr Melman's plea reminds me of the Juden rat, those poor misguided leaders of doomed Jewish communities during WWII who calmed their constituents into going willingly to their deaths by telling them not to make waves with the Nazis.. Dont bother them and they wont bother you.. yeah sure... To h-ll with all such appeasers..
David says we should stop giving aid to Muslims and give all our support to Israel. Are you of Jewish descent per chance?
I say we should terminate our $3 Billion per annum aid to Israel and give it all to the Palestinians in partial compensation for taking their homes and land.
Oh please! As Lisa would say… It is not all that complicated. The British originally established the Israelis in the region as insurance, to help keep the critical Suez Canal open in case Egypt got other ideas again.
The US bought in hook line and sinker, always keeping in mind the idea that we might join them in their dream of establishing Greater Israel to encompass all land between the Nile and Euphrates. We all know that oil supplies, our life blood, are limited and rapidly dwindling. The final battle is looming in the not too distant future over control of the dwindling oil supply. Unless of course Barack fulfills his promise, brings our troops back home and converts us to a successful green energy society.
The right wing religious nut jobs bought in hook line and sinker, always keeping in mind the Second Coming and the End of Times.
It is amazing to me that people are so blind to the murderous atrocities committed by Hezzbollah and Hamas. But what do you expect from Muslims. They always say "I don't condone violence, but..." and then there is a long sermon on Zionist and the Jewish plot and blah, blah. You have to deal with these people in the only manner in which they understand, and that is to kill them before they kill you. These two organizations have been responsible for every terrorist hijacking, kidnapping and bombing around the world for the past 40 years. It's not a W.A.S.P. named Smith at the top of every terrorist watch list. The U.S. should absolutely give Israel any support it needs and stop playing both sides by selling arms to Saudi Arabia and all the rest. If they want weapons let them get Russian crap. As long as there is one American soldier in any Muslim country we will be targets. The Sunnis and Shiites have been killing each other for two thousand years, I say let them continue. As for those of you who have Muslim names and want to blog and protest about the treatment of the Palestinians and continue to send them money, why don't you go back and enjoy the peace and prosperity that is so abundant over there. And yes, all this from a Centrist Democrat.
Rick Jones digs Karl Marx. Like revolutions huh Rick ? Are you still manufacturing those zombie vests for the folks in Gaza ? Gee Rick can you help me find the alliance agreement between the Zionists and the Crusaders ? I thought the Crusaders butchered those Zionists AND Muslims during the middle ages. Good night, Rick.
As for being a good strategy, as Yossi says, assassinating leaders is a two-edged sword. Taken with the betrayal of the people by the corrupt Arab leaders, by siding with the Crusader backed Zionists in abandoning the Palestinian people, in indulging in opulent greed at the expense of the people, they may just ignite Whirlwind II patterned on the uprising that brought Revolution to Iran.
Here is a reporter’s narrative who accompanied President Bush on his recent trip to the Middle East.
During President Bush’s recent trip to the Middle East Arab TV offered an uncomfortable juxtaposition: Al Arabiya running the wretched saga of Gaza children suffering from a lack of food and medicine during the Israeli blockade, blending into the wretched excess scenes of W. being festooned with rapper-level bling [elaborate, gaudy jewelry and other accouterments, and a lifestyle built around excessive spending and ostentation] from royal hosts flush with gazillions from gouging us on oil…the president and his advisers Elliott Abrams and Josh Bolten went native, lounging in floor-length, fur-lined robes…
In Abu Dhabi, Sheik Khalifa bin Zayed al-Nahyan gave the president a gigantic necklace made of gold, diamonds, rubies and emeralds, so gaudy and cumbersome that even the Secret Service agent carrying it seemed nonplussed. Here in Saudi Arabia, the king draped W. with an emerald-and-ruby necklace that could have come from Ali Baba’s cave.
Time’s Massimo Calabresi described the Kuwaiti emir’s residence where W. dined Friday as “crass class”: “Loud paintings of harems and the ruling Sabah clan hang near Louis XVI enameled clocks and candlesticks in the long hallways.”
In Abu Dhabi, the president made a less-than-rousing speech about democracy while staying in the less-than-democratic Emirates Palace hotel’s basketball-court-size Ruler’s Suite — an honor reserved for royalty and W. and denied to Elton John, who is coming later this month to play the Palace.
The president’s grandiose room included a ballroom…The $3 billion, seven-star, 84,114-square-foot pink marble hotel — said to be the most expensive ever built — would make Trump blush. It glistens with 64,000 square feet of 22-carat gold leaf, 1,000 chandeliers, 20,000 roses changed every day, 200 fountains, a dome higher than St. Peter’s, an archway larger than the Arc de Triomphe, a beach with white sand shipped in from Algeria and a private heliport. The rooms, scattered with rose petals, range from $1,598 to $12,251.
You are one sick little pup. You are a stain on America. You want to support the f@ck who killed our soldiers, that is your watch. Tell you what, if you take your fight to Iraq, my brothers will be happy to help you die for your principles.
You are a traitor.
Pathina,
The Israelis are defending themselves from evil animals. If you had kids you would want to stop some rag head from blowing them up too.
As to your history, where did you get that crap? Some revised Islamo-Marx reader? I know there is no point in hoping a shrill little fool like you will study actual history, so I will only suggest that you try to lay off the drugs.
Of course Sadr's reasons are political, whose aren't? But you can't ignore that he picked a side with Israeli supporters against Muslims.
You must see that targeting leadership is a basic military strategy, not a simple-minded argument. Israel doesn't intend to scare Imad's replacement out of taking the job and no one of importance believes that's the case. There are moral, organizational, and strategic consequences when the top guys fall. Top leadership will have to invest more time in evading capture or death, which will take away from planning time and ease. Smaller fish have less intrinsic value and are more easily replaced.
The creation of Israel for European colonisers was a geographical, financial and moral mistake. The indigenous native population were either masscred, driven from their land into refugee camps in other nations or occupied by the colonial power.
Yes, colonisation occured in the past; at this time in our world history only Israel and Indonesia in Ache, are still occupying and persecuting a native people for their own benefit.
The fact that Israel kills about 10 indigenous people a week with impunity is monstrous. It is not just the indigenous people who are being killed by these occupying thugs....Rachel Corrie's murderer is still in the occupying military and free to kill again.
ISRAEL'S STATE TERRORISM IS FAR MORE DEADLY AND HORRIFIC..HOW ABOUT AN ARTICLE ABOUT THIS????
The alternative is to end our addiction to Middle East oil. If we had spent the last seven years and $1 Trillion dollars that we have squandered on an ill advised invasion and occupation of Iraq, on investing in alternate energy sources instead, we would be well on our way to energy independence. If we had spent the last sixty years and hundreds of billions of dollars that we have squandered on an ill advised invasion and occupation of Palestine, on investing in alternate energy sources instead, we would be energy independent.
As for Sadr, he is not cooperating with US forces. He is just lying low until we pull out next year, and then he will make his bid for power. The Sunnis and Shiites will eventually duke it out to settle old scores and new spheres of control.
The crazy argument among these war-mongering folks goes like this:
If we find and kill off all important leaders, those below them would think much harder before they move in to fill those positions, and plan out attacks against us again in the future.
This is a 5th grade argument, where those engaging in the argument have no mental capacity for stringent argumental algorithms based on both valid and sound premises.
Of course, if you point out such flaws to them, these moral and ethical people --- who are almost always those who want people friend, hanged, injected with drugs, or electricuted too --- they turn on you:
What? Do YOU prefer to let those monsters go? Are you just scared? Or perhaps you are not as patriotic?
I tell you: arguing with 5th graders is indeed a sword that cuts both ways:
you think they are not as sophisticated; don't know much about the world and circumstances.... They think you are too stupid, too uncool, too this or that personally to know that they KNOW what the real and the good answers are. They already know them all!
What use is an oil-free nation as an ally if that is what we crave? Egypt and the Saudis, on the other hand, are a different story. Our arrangements with them are driven purely by thirst and were difficult to accomplish because of our ally. Israel serves as a tactical friend providing invaluable intelligence in a precarious region which is vital to our interests considering the CIA is, well, useless.
As for uniting under an anti-American/Israeli banner, look no further than Iraq to rebuke such a notion. Sadr is a perfect example if why it won't ever happen; cooperation with US forces is apparently more attractive than with their Muslim brothers, Al-Qaeda in Iraq. This is a perfect microcosm that encapsulates most of the political movement by the Arabs (term used loosely for practicality) since 1947. I believe an indisputably dominant Iran is a worse option than cooperation with Americans for most countries in the Middle East.
I think oil is a big reason why we are allies. Britain wanted to establish the Israelis in Palestine initially as an ally to help them keep Egypt from blocking the Suez Canal.
We wanted an ally in the Middle East because of our thirst for oil, and this is the main reason for our enormous investment in Israel.
Yes the Arabs and Persians, Sunnis and Shiites, do have many problems getting along with each other. But the continued US and Israeli arrogance and aggression may just serve to unite them against the greater evil.
It looks like the neocons have managed to deliver Shiite Iraq into the arms of Iran. Now we are trying to drive Syria and Lebanon to complete the Islamic Crescent surrounding Israel and its two treaty cosigners, Jordan and Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, which spawned Hamas in the first place, may join with Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, the Palestinian refugees who make up half the population of Jordan, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq and Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Israel’s Olmert, Jordan’s King Abdullah II and Egypt’s Mubarak are probably beginning to feel like Custer surrounded by the Sioux in 1875 at the Little Big Horn.
Imad Mughniyeh must have been some sort of super-terrorist, or perhaps he was born with a bomb. He is blamed for the bombings of the US and French embassies, the US Marine barracks, the highjacking of a TWA flight (all of these impressive feats while still in his teens!), the bombing of the Khobar Tower in Saudi (blame for this attack alternates between Hizballah, ala Mughniyeh, and Al Qaeda, depending on who the terrorist du jour is, and sometimes both in cahoots), the bombings of the Israeli embassy and a Jewish cultural center in Argentina (which Argentinian authorities openly admit no proof of who carried these attacks out exists) and some I surely forgot.
We need to get real. You can't go to war against a strategy (which is what 'terrorism' is). Our governments and the pliant media create these mythical figures and the fear that comes with them.
My words are about to be used against me in a court of law. This is my best. 2004 Coolblue.
Cool summer breeze, lazy movement through the trees
clockwork of the trades, in a sandstorm light fades
lived a life, still I wait to connect
when I felt love, the other, she'd reject
Winds of change, earths rhythm, the jetstream goes
does it mess your hair as you curse its blow
pulse of the planet, alive life grows
sun goes east to west this angel opposes flow
Looking up I close my eyes and you
touch my face
Is this a dream I feel my soul and
God's grace
That soul-mate stuff, it makes a real good book
there's a girl out there, I've just got to look
drift and flow, vary somewhere out west
cross river valley's banks of snow high on the crest
I'm in love this element, Gibran did say
unseen, feel someone in bed as you lay
Chinese, Hindu, Druid, US Native race
The Chosen people name the fury, soft embrace
Looking up I close my eyes and you
touch my face
Is this a dream I feel my soul and
God's grace
Cool summer breeze, lazy movement through the trees
clockwork of the trades, in a sandstorm light fades
dependency on oil is a big reason for US involvement in the region in the first place, but it has little to do with why we're natural allies with Israel if that was the implication. I agree that the Arabs would be better off if they unified under the umbrella of oil revenue, but the problem is that they have internal issues almost as bloody/detrimental as what they have with Israel & the west. Oil will be gone within half a century and if they don't get their act together there won't be money OR sympathy.
You are right Alex, Israel is our natural ally, and the key phrase is “while this remains the status quo”.
We both are dependent on imported oil. Israel imports over 90% of its oil, mostly from Russia. We import 60% of our oil, mostly from the Middle East.
As soon as the Arabs get their collective heads unplugged from their derriere they will realize that they have no reason to tolerate US and Israeli arrogance.
This is fortunately quite simple and there is no longer any real reason to debate any further. Israel is a natural US ally in the region because of nearly parallel security interests. Aid, arms supply, information exchange etc will continue while this remains the status quo. Furthermore, Israel has a right to defend herself against unrelenting terrorism (it's a matter of perspective). High profile killings of enemy leaders will continue because of the obvious strategic benefit, regardless of who the successor may be. No one cares what your opinion is.
Given the statement "But when a country encounters a highly motivated, solidified and structured terrorist group, killing its senior members proves to be counter-productive." I assume that in this case killing them all is the only solution, as they would be unwilling to negotiate in any meaningful way regardless.
The Israeli aid from the US is only 0.15% of their GDP. Aid also makes Israel unnecessarily dependent on the United States, making the Jewish state vulnerable to U.S. pressure to make unwise concessions to its enemies. You can't receive aid, in other words, with no strings attached. Yet their 2006 military spending totaled $9.6 billion, the 15th largest among the 190 countries on the planet and the second highest in the Middle East. Exceeded only by Saudi Arabia at $25.2 billion. If Saudi Arabia does not pose a plausible threat to Israel, because it is U.S. ally, then what is all military spending for? The Messianic's (Bush) have all believe that Jerusalem, must be 100% Jewish (7 Seals) before Jesus will return. Each Church has a different translation of the end of times, but all the Evangelicals are backing Israel and our gov't is arming all sides in the Middle East. That's at it's core. Prescott Bush the Presidents Grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power, by selling millions of dollars in German Nazi bearer bonds, prior to WW2. So, get with the program. Israel is not going anywhere, and Arabs need to take care of their own and stop treating Palestinians like second class citizens. Their plight is meaningless to their brethren, it's only fodder for Moslems world rampant anti-Semitism. They hate Christians just as much. Jews in Israel or Arabs that are Israelis, don't kill their own people. Moslems thru-out their empire, have no problem killing their own. Or, repressing Women!
..."Using Targeted Killings' don't work." Good article truthful and you left out that Israel has now escaled tensions with Syria, and you forgot to mention, that also killed where his two daughters, and others.
This is a failed policy that only hurts Israel and her credibility around the world, and it especially hurts America who is trying to keep the peace.
In conclusion now Syria totally is watching and waiting, saying nothing but paring for "WAR" they know is coming over Israel's lack of soverign respect that has left room now for no respect.
Israel is quite capable of taking care of her citizens I otta know we/America helped them get their, but they I'm afraid have went to far, to far in using excessive force in the Middle East in GAZA and in killing far far too many innocent innocent folks, many I'm afraid, just kids.
So I'm afraid its only going to get worse now because respect has been lost, and now it's been replaced with alarm with Syria and that's counter productive to Peace and can quickly lead to War."
Sincerely, Tommy Birchfield, Voter/Vet USAF,
Master's Program, East Tennessee State University
Spring...2008
Asim MA, San Antonio: With friends like you, who needs enemies? Maybe you should stick to the Stormfront and reprints of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". You're taxing your brain too much! Spread the love, you Grand Lizard of the Ku Klux Klan....As written in the Quran [48:21] "As for the group that you could not possibly defeat, GOD took care of them", meaning us infidels!
I can't take serious anyone who uses the word terrorist....You would think that the mouthpiece of the ultimate state sponsor of death might take a look in the mirror.
Sorry Joe. I think I will stick around long enough to make sure that your buddy Bomb Bomb Iran John McCain doesn’t get elected.
By the way, as noted by Usama above, why were our Marines in Lebanon in 1983? They were invading the country as ordered by another of your moronic buddies Ronald Ragan, against the advice of his Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger, in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. What would we do if the Russians or Chinese ordered a thousand of their troops into Washington D.C.?
This was just one more in the continuing series of fiascos resulting from our disastrous foreign policy initiatives since the British Balfour Declaration of 1917, the 1947 UN partition of Palestine and the 1948 establishment of the so called "State of Israel".
Have another beer Joe. You’re getting all uptight again.
1.The strong support on West Bank demonstated by Hamas supporters at the funeral of Sheik al Barghouti...
2. tomorrow's proposed peaceful chain mass demonstration in Gaza against blockade...
as I said Hamas will show itself to be as politically astute as it is militarily gutzy....several doors have opened for Hamas recently since the breach in the border between Egypt and Gaza...I think there is a real chance they will walk thru them as politicians representing all of the Palestinians....Israel and Hamas should cut a deal(s) now that both parties can live with ...
Oh, yeah, just let the guy carry on his attacks, that is a better idea.
This is one of those classic "Postman bit the dog" stories, that are written just because it will always sell.
The Israelis have continually taken actions to inflame and destabilize the Middle East region and to pull their American cash cows further into the quagmire of war and killing associated with the occupation and the denial of any human rights to the Palestinian people.
The Israelis have not only used assassination as an instrument of foreign policy, they also have ignored numerous United Nations resolutions, they engage in the use collective punishment against occupied people, they destroy economic infrastructure in neighboring countries and territories they hold under occupation, and they cointinue to flood Jewish settlers from Europe into the occupied Palestinian territory to consolidate Israeli control over stolen Palestinian land.
Since the phony photo-op in Annapolis that was ballyhooed as a Middle East peace conference, the Israelis have killed over 100 Palestinians and continued to starve the entire civilian population of Gaza with a Nazi-like seige. The state of Israel is a rogue nation unbeholden to international law or international standards of human rights. As a nation that is run as a criminal entity, Israel thrives in an atmosphere of violence, theft, destruction of economic infrastructure, invasion, occupation and constantly blubbered victimhood.
As a nuclear-armed Middle East bully, Israel has yet to reap the bitter harvest that it has sown.
As an American, I must say that the only country that we are afraid of is Israel. I know why, but I dare not say it. Did someone say that Putin has set up similar fear barriers in his country? And Chavez? and Mubarak? Every day we become like the others. But why don't Schumer and Liebermann pay taxes on their Mossad salary? And Wolfowitz and Perle also? If they did, we could fight more wars and shed more blood for Israel.
Oy vey ! The laws of terror are remarkable in their consistency across all races and nations. The Israelis ought to know, when they were blowing up the British via the Irgun gang whose members went on to become Prime Ministers.
Such is life. One often wants the race to stop when one is in the lead. Some races never finish.
But the Europeans are happy. By creating Israel as a gilded prison they completed what the Germans had started and 'spiritually deported' the diaspora, and deligitimised the survivors who stayed behind. And they say that the Europeans are the stupid ones? Nein, nein. Das is nicht war.
Now what were you saying about killing terrorists? Is that after you have taken their land, or before, in the name of whatever?
Rick, John all of you self hating, America hating loosers.
This man murdered our Marines. This man masterminded dozens of attacks. This man made a career of murdering innocents and you feel sad he is gone. What is wrong with you? He would kill your whiny pink, socialist, jihadist bottoms too.
Don't you dare talk about false patriots. I actually love America. You do not. You snots support her enemies. Like I said, get out of my country. You repulse me. You disgust me. If I met you on the street I would spit on you.
I am not a neocon. I am someone who is not blinkered by whatever drugs you fools must be taking. Seriously, get out of my country.
You conveniently forgot to mention that not only the targeted individual but his wife and daughter were also killed by the same bomb. This kind of behavior was not acceptable even in stone age.
This is Israeli justice, or to put it more correctly, Israeli injustice - and I am ashamed to say, supported by my country and my tax dollars.
I agree. Instead of killing terrorists,we should mail them passes to Disney World with prepaid airline tickets and room keys to nice hotels so they will not be upset at us. Be sure and stock the hotel 'fridges so they will have plenty of liquor to keep them happy while they are here. Thank God for people who recognize that terrorists are just misunderstood pussy cats who need a little TLC.
Yossi, thanks for sharing your thoughts. We're all familiar with Israel's finger-wagging and self-recriminations. But what is the solution? If Israel doesn't retaliate against terrorist leaders, then Israel does nothing. Doing nothing does not solve the rocket attacks.
The strategy that seems to work best is terminating the terrorist leadership. Not an occasional, high-profile target. Let each and every terrorist know that there will be swift and final accountability for his actions. Terrorist leadership is wonderful at volunteering others to become martyrs. Let them put their own lives on the line.
Israel has denied the killing. Americans, Syrians and even Iranians had reasons to kill him. The authors are Israelis and like to take the credit. There is not proof, they are bluffing and trying to take credit for other people accomplishments
Muslims in general and the Arab Muslims in particular have proven time and again that they do not share the world's concern for the sanctity of human life.
They will kill anybody including each other(car bombs in Iraqi markets, suicide bomber in lots of places) for any slight real or imagined.
There are only 2 solutions to this.
One sterilize the entire Muslim population. Time will take care of the problem or 2. quarantine them in an area, nothing goes in or out. Let their victims only be each other.
And then there is Fidel Castro whose long reign was most likely sustained by the perceived sense of importance given him by the multiple failed U.S. assassination attempts. The longer he lived, the more he became endeared to his movement and his people, especially because his continued existence represented a victory of little Cuba over the behemoth to the North.
I agree with you that targeted killing is not the effective policy its often touted to be. How sad that a state such as Israeli, with essentially no capital punishment, tarnishes its soul with these killings that often result in the deaths of innocent civilians.
Where is the evidence that Iran/Hezbollah were responsible for the Argentine terrorist attacks? I haven't seen anything in the media that is even close to being reliable.
As much as you congratulate Mossad, are you so sure that Syrian intelligence didn't give up Mughniyah for some as of yet unseen reason?
By far the best article read so far. Written with authority, insight and discipline. What else is there to be said except going off on a tangent and start rambling and moralizing over, at least from the Israeli viewpoint, this legitimate act of targeted killing.
Over time, it has become my impression that the Arabs don't give a rat's derriere about the plight and future of the Palestinians; the non-Muslim world looks down with great ennuie at Israel, and Hezbollah and Iranian counterpart are cultivating a pipe dream of destroying Israel, or at least sowing terror at all cost.
Short of surrendering, is there still room or a willingness for a political solution?
The true patriots are those who stand up and speak out against the atrocities that have been and continue to be perpetrated by our government with our tax dollars. The last thing we need are more good patriots like Joe who enable these moronic neocon policies.
Go ahead Joe, have another beer while another 3,000 of our best and brightest die in Iraq at the hands of our moronic Commander in Chief, while we slaughter a few more hundred thousand women and children for no reason, while we displace millions of families from their homes into refugee camps.
Killing only leads to more killing. Love spreads love.
When are the Semites going to learn to live together? WHen will they turn their cheek to their enemy. As Gandhi said " An eye for an eye and pretty soon everyone is blind." This intense hatred and anger and the tit for tat has governments involved. Why doesn't the governments in the region show some responsibity.
ya Mongoloid, tard funk, what's keepin' the likes a you with limbs and fingers to post the misinformation you're postin' is the big ole ass fence with state of the art motion detectors and electronic surveillance, NOT assassinations of Hamas leaders.
And Muganieh's assassination, while a feel good story for Israelis today, it really pickled their leadership class _ does Dumbo Olmert retaliate with an another all out war after the RESPONSE and risk losing Kadima for good _ that's the other edge of the sword.
All reports seem to indicate Mughniyah was killed precisely because he was actively involved in a
lethal conspiracy plotting mass murder attacks against population centers in Israel involving Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Hezbollah & Palestinian terror groups.
How ironic that in following the trail of blood shed by Hamas, they suddenly found the man they had been searching for all these years. In
fact, Mughniyah's undiminished taste for homicide and sociopathic state of mind, which fostered his
peculiar "lone wolf" tradecraft, led to his own discovery, betrayal and doom...
Was it unwise to eliminate him? In a word, no. Because this man was one of the most seasoned, capable and tactically brilliant terrorists in the Middle East, he will not be easily or quickly replaced by someone as competant. And perhaps whatever plans he laid with Meshaal and his
fanatic filth will now go astray.
I say bless whoever blew him to hell. For the first time in decades, all the families that suffered losses at the American Embassy and
in the Marine barracks in Beirut can sleep a little more soundly knowing justice has finally
been served.
First off, how about we focus on reality. I know you are all breast fed anti-Israel lies and propaganda from the best of neo-nazi and jihadi web sites, but let's focus on something.
This animal was a monster. He was responsible for the murder of dozens of AMERICAN marines in Lebanon. Remember that? If any of you little snots likes this guy, you like an avowed enemy of America who murdered Americans. That makes you an enemy of America too. Get out of my country.
He also masterminded the raids and kidnappings that started the recent war in Lebanon. If you think that was good, then get out of my country.
Very seriously, if you are anything but happy that this evil pig, spawned of a prostitute, is dead and now in facing judgment, get out of my country.
By the way, it might not have been the Israelis that got him. It might have been us. I certainly hope so.
As for me, I am having a beer at the thought of one less roach to step on.
Assassinating terrorist leaders brings peace. This is a well-established fact:
THE WAY WE LIVE NOW: ISRAEL PROVES THERE IS A MILITARY SOLUTION TO TERRORISM
…Anyone who visits Jerusalem today will not see the ghost town it was in 2002, when Israel was absorbing an average of one suicide bombing a week.
… How did things improve so dramatically, and so quickly, for Palestinians and Israelis alike? Begin by recalling Israel's assassination, in late March, of Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. At the time, the action was all but universally condemned as reckless and counterproductive. "By granting Yassin the martyrdom he craved, the Israelis have provided a motive for new suicide attacks," went an editorial in the normally pro-Israel Daily Telegraph of London. "More young Palestinians will fall in love with death, and more Israeli civilians will die with them."
Yet what followed for Israel were nearly six consecutive terror-free months. This wasn't because the Palestinian terror groups lacked for motivation to carry out attacks. It was because they lacked for means. The leaders of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Yasser Arafat's own al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades had to spend their time figuring out how to survive, not on planning fresh attacks. The Israeli army incarcerated terror suspects in record numbers--some 6,000 now sit in Israeli prisons--which in turn helped yield information for future arrests. Most importantly, the security fence has begun to make the Israeli heartland nearly impenetrable to Palestinian infiltrators. (August's double suicide bombing in Beersheba happened precisely because there is still no security fence separating that town from the Palestinian city of Hebron, from where the bombers were dispatched.)
Taken together, these measures prove what a legion of diplomats, pundits and reporters have striven to deny: that there is a military solution to the conflict.
...Gen. Amidror, speaking on Army Radio, quoted the "precise statistics" of a study by Prof. Ben-Yisrael of Tel Aviv University, showing that "we used to have a full 140 deaths a month, and we were able to bring it down to 50 a year - without even a kilometer of fence."
Amidror explained that this achievement was enabled in two stages: "First by re-conquering Judea and Samaria [in 2002], and then, three months later, by arresting or killing terror leaders... It causes them to spend their time finding hiding places, instead of planning terror attacks."
First off, how about we focus on reality. I know you are all breast fed anti-Israel lies and propaganda from the best of neo-nazi and jihadi web sites, but let's focus on something.
This animal was a monster. He was responsible for the murder of dozens of AMERICAN marines in Lebanon. Remember that? If any of you little snots likes this guy, you like an avowed enemy of America who murdered Americans. That makes you an enemy of America too. Get out of my country.
He also masterminded the raids and kidnappings that started the recent war in Lebanon. If you think that was good, then get out of my country.
Very seriously, if you are anything but happy that this evil pig, spawned of a prostitute, is dead and now in facing judgment, get out of my country.
By the way, it might not have been the Israelis that got him. It might have been us. I certainly hope so.
As for me, I am having a beer at the thought of one less roach to step on.
A lot of hot air about people who cannot distinguish between the Islam that the Prophet (saaw) taught and the miserable state of affairs which they live within the Muslim world.
Ironically, there are Muslim matrimonial sites advertised on the very same pages advocating that Islam is evil and against women & destroying the world. In reality, the cause of the misery of the Muslim world is the ABSENCE of Islam as it is supposed to be. Instead, there are ruling authoritarian regimes who spread corruption and are protected by ulama who serve them rather than God. Together, they fail to solve the chronic problems of the Muslim world, instead causing new problems and inviting still more problems.
Meanwhile, they squandor resources, spread corruption, injustice, hypocricy, engourge themselves with 100s of billions- if not trillions- in wealth which by Islam should be designated to care for the poor, needy, and helpless.
But of course this aspect of Islam is always suppressed because it doesn't suit the selfish interests of naysayers and hatemongers. Nevermind that Islam rules out riba'/interest and the capitalist financing industry which chokes the life out of the poor. Nevermind that Islam makes all energy resources as public property rather than private. Nevermind that Islam forbids the divisiveness of nationalism.
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Imad Mughniyah is as much a terrorist as Goerge Bush. I do not believe that Mughniyah has caused the death of 4000 US troups and a million Iraqis.
Bush did. The Mossad is a terrorist organization.
It is a cat and mouse game. The roles change between the various players.
Anyone defending the right and freedom of his people is a freedom fighter, not a terrorist.
Imad Mughnayah was a 1st class freedom fighter.
Was the Haganah freedom fighter org.or a terrorist
org.?
Now, do we want peace or do we get hung up on semantics? The Arabs,Israelis and their patrons
need to make up their minds now before it is too late. Quit talking and let us start working for peace
March 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on March 5, 2008 13:32
The reason Mughniyah was considered a hero and not a terrorist in the Middle East is for the same reason Israeli assassins are considered to be heroes and not terrorist in the west. One mans terrorist is another mans hero. From a proud liberal. END THE WAR IN IRAQ.
February 25, 2008 10:19 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 25, 2008 10:19
When was the land ever paid for once?
February 25, 2008 10:10 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 25, 2008 10:10
The Melman and Raviv essay seems to be right on target and suggests the difficulty of democratic states defending themselves against authoritarian terrorists. An even more unpleasant possibility strikes me as unlikely but something that cannot be ruled out: the American intelligence services will not work as hard as they might to prevent a Hezbollah attack on the US in order to push the election to a Republican who will be less likely to investigate the "dirty war" that has been carried out since 9/11. I hope I am wrong.
February 25, 2008 9:39 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 25, 2008 09:39
Why a jewish state on Arab historic Palestine-with all the "GOODIES" that came with it during the past sixty years? It is much more cost-effective to declare New York as jewish state:it has more jews than in occupied Palestine.
February 25, 2008 9:12 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 25, 2008 09:12
This opinion article by Yossi Melman is typical of the flawed reasoning behind any attempt to respond to terrorism by killing the terrorists, famous or not (Feb 25 article) . The point is that it makes absolutely no difference to terrorist aims to destroy Israel whether a leading terrorist is killed or not.. Does Mr Melman actually believe that by not assassinating the high profile terrorist that there would be a respite in their evil efforts to kill Israelis. No..absolutely not.. In fact, I would argue that it makes more sense to kill as many of the high and mighty terrorist leaders as possible to thwart their plans...Mr Melman's plea reminds me of the Juden rat, those poor misguided leaders of doomed Jewish communities during WWII who calmed their constituents into going willingly to their deaths by telling them not to make waves with the Nazis.. Dont bother them and they wont bother you.. yeah sure... To h-ll with all such appeasers..
February 25, 2008 9:09 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 25, 2008 09:09
Why would the land need to be paid for twice?
February 25, 2008 7:28 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 25, 2008 07:28
PS:
David says we should stop giving aid to Muslims and give all our support to Israel. Are you of Jewish descent per chance?
I say we should terminate our $3 Billion per annum aid to Israel and give it all to the Palestinians in partial compensation for taking their homes and land.
February 25, 2008 6:43 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 25, 2008 06:43
Oh please! As Lisa would say… It is not all that complicated. The British originally established the Israelis in the region as insurance, to help keep the critical Suez Canal open in case Egypt got other ideas again.
The US bought in hook line and sinker, always keeping in mind the idea that we might join them in their dream of establishing Greater Israel to encompass all land between the Nile and Euphrates. We all know that oil supplies, our life blood, are limited and rapidly dwindling. The final battle is looming in the not too distant future over control of the dwindling oil supply. Unless of course Barack fulfills his promise, brings our troops back home and converts us to a successful green energy society.
The right wing religious nut jobs bought in hook line and sinker, always keeping in mind the Second Coming and the End of Times.
February 25, 2008 6:23 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 25, 2008 06:23
When Israel kills one freedom fighter there comes the next.
Regardless whether you call them terrorists.
But yes, Israel only kills leaders of terrorist groups!
The lesson: aggression creates aggression!
Peaceful people show no aggression.
February 25, 2008 1:27 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 25, 2008 01:27
It is amazing to me that people are so blind to the murderous atrocities committed by Hezzbollah and Hamas. But what do you expect from Muslims. They always say "I don't condone violence, but..." and then there is a long sermon on Zionist and the Jewish plot and blah, blah. You have to deal with these people in the only manner in which they understand, and that is to kill them before they kill you. These two organizations have been responsible for every terrorist hijacking, kidnapping and bombing around the world for the past 40 years. It's not a W.A.S.P. named Smith at the top of every terrorist watch list. The U.S. should absolutely give Israel any support it needs and stop playing both sides by selling arms to Saudi Arabia and all the rest. If they want weapons let them get Russian crap. As long as there is one American soldier in any Muslim country we will be targets. The Sunnis and Shiites have been killing each other for two thousand years, I say let them continue. As for those of you who have Muslim names and want to blog and protest about the treatment of the Palestinians and continue to send them money, why don't you go back and enjoy the peace and prosperity that is so abundant over there. And yes, all this from a Centrist Democrat.
February 24, 2008 11:17 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 23:17
Goodnight Quinn. It's way past my bed time.
February 24, 2008 11:06 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 23:06
Rick Jones digs Karl Marx. Like revolutions huh Rick ? Are you still manufacturing those zombie vests for the folks in Gaza ? Gee Rick can you help me find the alliance agreement between the Zionists and the Crusaders ? I thought the Crusaders butchered those Zionists AND Muslims during the middle ages. Good night, Rick.
February 24, 2008 10:45 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 22:45
As for being a good strategy, as Yossi says, assassinating leaders is a two-edged sword. Taken with the betrayal of the people by the corrupt Arab leaders, by siding with the Crusader backed Zionists in abandoning the Palestinian people, in indulging in opulent greed at the expense of the people, they may just ignite Whirlwind II patterned on the uprising that brought Revolution to Iran.
Here is a reporter’s narrative who accompanied President Bush on his recent trip to the Middle East.
During President Bush’s recent trip to the Middle East Arab TV offered an uncomfortable juxtaposition: Al Arabiya running the wretched saga of Gaza children suffering from a lack of food and medicine during the Israeli blockade, blending into the wretched excess scenes of W. being festooned with rapper-level bling [elaborate, gaudy jewelry and other accouterments, and a lifestyle built around excessive spending and ostentation] from royal hosts flush with gazillions from gouging us on oil…the president and his advisers Elliott Abrams and Josh Bolten went native, lounging in floor-length, fur-lined robes…
In Abu Dhabi, Sheik Khalifa bin Zayed al-Nahyan gave the president a gigantic necklace made of gold, diamonds, rubies and emeralds, so gaudy and cumbersome that even the Secret Service agent carrying it seemed nonplussed. Here in Saudi Arabia, the king draped W. with an emerald-and-ruby necklace that could have come from Ali Baba’s cave.
Time’s Massimo Calabresi described the Kuwaiti emir’s residence where W. dined Friday as “crass class”: “Loud paintings of harems and the ruling Sabah clan hang near Louis XVI enameled clocks and candlesticks in the long hallways.”
In Abu Dhabi, the president made a less-than-rousing speech about democracy while staying in the less-than-democratic Emirates Palace hotel’s basketball-court-size Ruler’s Suite — an honor reserved for royalty and W. and denied to Elton John, who is coming later this month to play the Palace.
The president’s grandiose room included a ballroom…The $3 billion, seven-star, 84,114-square-foot pink marble hotel — said to be the most expensive ever built — would make Trump blush. It glistens with 64,000 square feet of 22-carat gold leaf, 1,000 chandeliers, 20,000 roses changed every day, 200 fountains, a dome higher than St. Peter’s, an archway larger than the Arc de Triomphe, a beach with white sand shipped in from Algeria and a private heliport. The rooms, scattered with rose petals, range from $1,598 to $12,251.
February 24, 2008 9:50 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 21:50
Rick Jones,
You are one sick little pup. You are a stain on America. You want to support the f@ck who killed our soldiers, that is your watch. Tell you what, if you take your fight to Iraq, my brothers will be happy to help you die for your principles.
You are a traitor.
Pathina,
The Israelis are defending themselves from evil animals. If you had kids you would want to stop some rag head from blowing them up too.
As to your history, where did you get that crap? Some revised Islamo-Marx reader? I know there is no point in hoping a shrill little fool like you will study actual history, so I will only suggest that you try to lay off the drugs.
February 24, 2008 9:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 21:46
I don't get it. Who did Sadr side with that supports Israel?
February 24, 2008 9:37 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 21:37
Of course Sadr's reasons are political, whose aren't? But you can't ignore that he picked a side with Israeli supporters against Muslims.
You must see that targeting leadership is a basic military strategy, not a simple-minded argument. Israel doesn't intend to scare Imad's replacement out of taking the job and no one of importance believes that's the case. There are moral, organizational, and strategic consequences when the top guys fall. Top leadership will have to invest more time in evading capture or death, which will take away from planning time and ease. Smaller fish have less intrinsic value and are more easily replaced.
February 24, 2008 9:19 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 21:19
The creation of Israel for European colonisers was a geographical, financial and moral mistake. The indigenous native population were either masscred, driven from their land into refugee camps in other nations or occupied by the colonial power.
Yes, colonisation occured in the past; at this time in our world history only Israel and Indonesia in Ache, are still occupying and persecuting a native people for their own benefit.
The fact that Israel kills about 10 indigenous people a week with impunity is monstrous. It is not just the indigenous people who are being killed by these occupying thugs....Rachel Corrie's murderer is still in the occupying military and free to kill again.
ISRAEL'S STATE TERRORISM IS FAR MORE DEADLY AND HORRIFIC..HOW ABOUT AN ARTICLE ABOUT THIS????
February 24, 2008 9:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 21:15
The alternative is to end our addiction to Middle East oil. If we had spent the last seven years and $1 Trillion dollars that we have squandered on an ill advised invasion and occupation of Iraq, on investing in alternate energy sources instead, we would be well on our way to energy independence. If we had spent the last sixty years and hundreds of billions of dollars that we have squandered on an ill advised invasion and occupation of Palestine, on investing in alternate energy sources instead, we would be energy independent.
As for Sadr, he is not cooperating with US forces. He is just lying low until we pull out next year, and then he will make his bid for power. The Sunnis and Shiites will eventually duke it out to settle old scores and new spheres of control.
February 24, 2008 8:54 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 20:54
The crazy argument among these war-mongering folks goes like this:
If we find and kill off all important leaders, those below them would think much harder before they move in to fill those positions, and plan out attacks against us again in the future.
This is a 5th grade argument, where those engaging in the argument have no mental capacity for stringent argumental algorithms based on both valid and sound premises.
Of course, if you point out such flaws to them, these moral and ethical people --- who are almost always those who want people friend, hanged, injected with drugs, or electricuted too --- they turn on you:
What? Do YOU prefer to let those monsters go? Are you just scared? Or perhaps you are not as patriotic?
I tell you: arguing with 5th graders is indeed a sword that cuts both ways:
you think they are not as sophisticated; don't know much about the world and circumstances.... They think you are too stupid, too uncool, too this or that personally to know that they KNOW what the real and the good answers are. They already know them all!
February 24, 2008 8:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 20:46
You can not fight terrorism with terrorism.
February 24, 2008 8:39 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 20:39
What use is an oil-free nation as an ally if that is what we crave? Egypt and the Saudis, on the other hand, are a different story. Our arrangements with them are driven purely by thirst and were difficult to accomplish because of our ally. Israel serves as a tactical friend providing invaluable intelligence in a precarious region which is vital to our interests considering the CIA is, well, useless.
As for uniting under an anti-American/Israeli banner, look no further than Iraq to rebuke such a notion. Sadr is a perfect example if why it won't ever happen; cooperation with US forces is apparently more attractive than with their Muslim brothers, Al-Qaeda in Iraq. This is a perfect microcosm that encapsulates most of the political movement by the Arabs (term used loosely for practicality) since 1947. I believe an indisputably dominant Iran is a worse option than cooperation with Americans for most countries in the Middle East.
February 24, 2008 8:21 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 20:21
And the alternative is...what?
February 24, 2008 7:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 19:58
I think oil is a big reason why we are allies. Britain wanted to establish the Israelis in Palestine initially as an ally to help them keep Egypt from blocking the Suez Canal.
We wanted an ally in the Middle East because of our thirst for oil, and this is the main reason for our enormous investment in Israel.
Yes the Arabs and Persians, Sunnis and Shiites, do have many problems getting along with each other. But the continued US and Israeli arrogance and aggression may just serve to unite them against the greater evil.
It looks like the neocons have managed to deliver Shiite Iraq into the arms of Iran. Now we are trying to drive Syria and Lebanon to complete the Islamic Crescent surrounding Israel and its two treaty cosigners, Jordan and Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, which spawned Hamas in the first place, may join with Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, the Palestinian refugees who make up half the population of Jordan, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq and Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Israel’s Olmert, Jordan’s King Abdullah II and Egypt’s Mubarak are probably beginning to feel like Custer surrounded by the Sioux in 1875 at the Little Big Horn.
February 24, 2008 7:42 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 19:42
Imad Mughniyeh must have been some sort of super-terrorist, or perhaps he was born with a bomb. He is blamed for the bombings of the US and French embassies, the US Marine barracks, the highjacking of a TWA flight (all of these impressive feats while still in his teens!), the bombing of the Khobar Tower in Saudi (blame for this attack alternates between Hizballah, ala Mughniyeh, and Al Qaeda, depending on who the terrorist du jour is, and sometimes both in cahoots), the bombings of the Israeli embassy and a Jewish cultural center in Argentina (which Argentinian authorities openly admit no proof of who carried these attacks out exists) and some I surely forgot.
We need to get real. You can't go to war against a strategy (which is what 'terrorism' is). Our governments and the pliant media create these mythical figures and the fear that comes with them.
February 24, 2008 6:34 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 18:34
My words are about to be used against me in a court of law. This is my best. 2004 Coolblue.
Cool summer breeze, lazy movement through the trees
clockwork of the trades, in a sandstorm light fades
lived a life, still I wait to connect
when I felt love, the other, she'd reject
Winds of change, earths rhythm, the jetstream goes
does it mess your hair as you curse its blow
pulse of the planet, alive life grows
sun goes east to west this angel opposes flow
Looking up I close my eyes and you
touch my face
Is this a dream I feel my soul and
God's grace
That soul-mate stuff, it makes a real good book
there's a girl out there, I've just got to look
drift and flow, vary somewhere out west
cross river valley's banks of snow high on the crest
I'm in love this element, Gibran did say
unseen, feel someone in bed as you lay
Chinese, Hindu, Druid, US Native race
The Chosen people name the fury, soft embrace
Looking up I close my eyes and you
touch my face
Is this a dream I feel my soul and
God's grace
Cool summer breeze, lazy movement through the trees
clockwork of the trades, in a sandstorm light fades
February 24, 2008 6:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 18:30
dependency on oil is a big reason for US involvement in the region in the first place, but it has little to do with why we're natural allies with Israel if that was the implication. I agree that the Arabs would be better off if they unified under the umbrella of oil revenue, but the problem is that they have internal issues almost as bloody/detrimental as what they have with Israel & the west. Oil will be gone within half a century and if they don't get their act together there won't be money OR sympathy.
February 24, 2008 6:29 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 18:29
You are right Alex, Israel is our natural ally, and the key phrase is “while this remains the status quo”.
We both are dependent on imported oil. Israel imports over 90% of its oil, mostly from Russia. We import 60% of our oil, mostly from the Middle East.
As soon as the Arabs get their collective heads unplugged from their derriere they will realize that they have no reason to tolerate US and Israeli arrogance.
February 24, 2008 6:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 18:09
This is fortunately quite simple and there is no longer any real reason to debate any further. Israel is a natural US ally in the region because of nearly parallel security interests. Aid, arms supply, information exchange etc will continue while this remains the status quo. Furthermore, Israel has a right to defend herself against unrelenting terrorism (it's a matter of perspective). High profile killings of enemy leaders will continue because of the obvious strategic benefit, regardless of who the successor may be. No one cares what your opinion is.
February 24, 2008 5:27 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 17:27
Given the statement "But when a country encounters a highly motivated, solidified and structured terrorist group, killing its senior members proves to be counter-productive." I assume that in this case killing them all is the only solution, as they would be unwilling to negotiate in any meaningful way regardless.
February 24, 2008 5:20 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 17:20
The Israeli aid from the US is only 0.15% of their GDP. Aid also makes Israel unnecessarily dependent on the United States, making the Jewish state vulnerable to U.S. pressure to make unwise concessions to its enemies. You can't receive aid, in other words, with no strings attached. Yet their 2006 military spending totaled $9.6 billion, the 15th largest among the 190 countries on the planet and the second highest in the Middle East. Exceeded only by Saudi Arabia at $25.2 billion. If Saudi Arabia does not pose a plausible threat to Israel, because it is U.S. ally, then what is all military spending for? The Messianic's (Bush) have all believe that Jerusalem, must be 100% Jewish (7 Seals) before Jesus will return. Each Church has a different translation of the end of times, but all the Evangelicals are backing Israel and our gov't is arming all sides in the Middle East. That's at it's core. Prescott Bush the Presidents Grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power, by selling millions of dollars in German Nazi bearer bonds, prior to WW2. So, get with the program. Israel is not going anywhere, and Arabs need to take care of their own and stop treating Palestinians like second class citizens. Their plight is meaningless to their brethren, it's only fodder for Moslems world rampant anti-Semitism. They hate Christians just as much. Jews in Israel or Arabs that are Israelis, don't kill their own people. Moslems thru-out their empire, have no problem killing their own. Or, repressing Women!
February 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 17:05
..."Using Targeted Killings' don't work." Good article truthful and you left out that Israel has now escaled tensions with Syria, and you forgot to mention, that also killed where his two daughters, and others.
This is a failed policy that only hurts Israel and her credibility around the world, and it especially hurts America who is trying to keep the peace.
In conclusion now Syria totally is watching and waiting, saying nothing but paring for "WAR" they know is coming over Israel's lack of soverign respect that has left room now for no respect.
Israel is quite capable of taking care of her citizens I otta know we/America helped them get their, but they I'm afraid have went to far, to far in using excessive force in the Middle East in GAZA and in killing far far too many innocent innocent folks, many I'm afraid, just kids.
So I'm afraid its only going to get worse now because respect has been lost, and now it's been replaced with alarm with Syria and that's counter productive to Peace and can quickly lead to War."
Sincerely, Tommy Birchfield, Voter/Vet USAF,
Master's Program, East Tennessee State University
Spring...2008
February 24, 2008 5:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 17:02
Asim MA, San Antonio: With friends like you, who needs enemies? Maybe you should stick to the Stormfront and reprints of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". You're taxing your brain too much! Spread the love, you Grand Lizard of the Ku Klux Klan....As written in the Quran [48:21] "As for the group that you could not possibly defeat, GOD took care of them", meaning us infidels!
February 24, 2008 4:41 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 16:41
I can't take serious anyone who uses the word terrorist....You would think that the mouthpiece of the ultimate state sponsor of death might take a look in the mirror.
February 24, 2008 4:40 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 16:40
Sorry Joe. I think I will stick around long enough to make sure that your buddy Bomb Bomb Iran John McCain doesn’t get elected.
By the way, as noted by Usama above, why were our Marines in Lebanon in 1983? They were invading the country as ordered by another of your moronic buddies Ronald Ragan, against the advice of his Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger, in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. What would we do if the Russians or Chinese ordered a thousand of their troops into Washington D.C.?
This was just one more in the continuing series of fiascos resulting from our disastrous foreign policy initiatives since the British Balfour Declaration of 1917, the 1947 UN partition of Palestine and the 1948 establishment of the so called "State of Israel".
Have another beer Joe. You’re getting all uptight again.
February 24, 2008 4:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 16:28
2 events ...a watershed moment...
1.The strong support on West Bank demonstated by Hamas supporters at the funeral of Sheik al Barghouti...
2. tomorrow's proposed peaceful chain mass demonstration in Gaza against blockade...
as I said Hamas will show itself to be as politically astute as it is militarily gutzy....several doors have opened for Hamas recently since the breach in the border between Egypt and Gaza...I think there is a real chance they will walk thru them as politicians representing all of the Palestinians....Israel and Hamas should cut a deal(s) now that both parties can live with ...
February 24, 2008 4:20 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 16:20
Oh, yeah, just let the guy carry on his attacks, that is a better idea.
This is one of those classic "Postman bit the dog" stories, that are written just because it will always sell.
February 24, 2008 3:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 15:03
The Israelis have continually taken actions to inflame and destabilize the Middle East region and to pull their American cash cows further into the quagmire of war and killing associated with the occupation and the denial of any human rights to the Palestinian people.
The Israelis have not only used assassination as an instrument of foreign policy, they also have ignored numerous United Nations resolutions, they engage in the use collective punishment against occupied people, they destroy economic infrastructure in neighboring countries and territories they hold under occupation, and they cointinue to flood Jewish settlers from Europe into the occupied Palestinian territory to consolidate Israeli control over stolen Palestinian land.
Since the phony photo-op in Annapolis that was ballyhooed as a Middle East peace conference, the Israelis have killed over 100 Palestinians and continued to starve the entire civilian population of Gaza with a Nazi-like seige. The state of Israel is a rogue nation unbeholden to international law or international standards of human rights. As a nation that is run as a criminal entity, Israel thrives in an atmosphere of violence, theft, destruction of economic infrastructure, invasion, occupation and constantly blubbered victimhood.
As a nuclear-armed Middle East bully, Israel has yet to reap the bitter harvest that it has sown.
February 24, 2008 2:54 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 14:54
As an American, I must say that the only country that we are afraid of is Israel. I know why, but I dare not say it. Did someone say that Putin has set up similar fear barriers in his country? And Chavez? and Mubarak? Every day we become like the others. But why don't Schumer and Liebermann pay taxes on their Mossad salary? And Wolfowitz and Perle also? If they did, we could fight more wars and shed more blood for Israel.
February 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 14:51
Oy vey ! The laws of terror are remarkable in their consistency across all races and nations. The Israelis ought to know, when they were blowing up the British via the Irgun gang whose members went on to become Prime Ministers.
Such is life. One often wants the race to stop when one is in the lead. Some races never finish.
But the Europeans are happy. By creating Israel as a gilded prison they completed what the Germans had started and 'spiritually deported' the diaspora, and deligitimised the survivors who stayed behind. And they say that the Europeans are the stupid ones? Nein, nein. Das is nicht war.
Now what were you saying about killing terrorists? Is that after you have taken their land, or before, in the name of whatever?
February 24, 2008 2:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 14:44
Rick, John all of you self hating, America hating loosers.
This man murdered our Marines. This man masterminded dozens of attacks. This man made a career of murdering innocents and you feel sad he is gone. What is wrong with you? He would kill your whiny pink, socialist, jihadist bottoms too.
Don't you dare talk about false patriots. I actually love America. You do not. You snots support her enemies. Like I said, get out of my country. You repulse me. You disgust me. If I met you on the street I would spit on you.
I am not a neocon. I am someone who is not blinkered by whatever drugs you fools must be taking. Seriously, get out of my country.
February 24, 2008 2:23 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 14:23
You conveniently forgot to mention that not only the targeted individual but his wife and daughter were also killed by the same bomb. This kind of behavior was not acceptable even in stone age.
This is Israeli justice, or to put it more correctly, Israeli injustice - and I am ashamed to say, supported by my country and my tax dollars.
February 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 13:26
I agree. Instead of killing terrorists,we should mail them passes to Disney World with prepaid airline tickets and room keys to nice hotels so they will not be upset at us. Be sure and stock the hotel 'fridges so they will have plenty of liquor to keep them happy while they are here. Thank God for people who recognize that terrorists are just misunderstood pussy cats who need a little TLC.
February 24, 2008 1:04 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 13:04
Yossi, thanks for sharing your thoughts. We're all familiar with Israel's finger-wagging and self-recriminations. But what is the solution? If Israel doesn't retaliate against terrorist leaders, then Israel does nothing. Doing nothing does not solve the rocket attacks.
The strategy that seems to work best is terminating the terrorist leadership. Not an occasional, high-profile target. Let each and every terrorist know that there will be swift and final accountability for his actions. Terrorist leadership is wonderful at volunteering others to become martyrs. Let them put their own lives on the line.
February 24, 2008 12:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 12:58
"It's Palestine stupid".If we can solve this in our lifetime, maybe we can live peacefully .
February 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 12:55
Israel has denied the killing. Americans, Syrians and even Iranians had reasons to kill him. The authors are Israelis and like to take the credit. There is not proof, they are bluffing and trying to take credit for other people accomplishments
February 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 12:12
Muslims in general and the Arab Muslims in particular have proven time and again that they do not share the world's concern for the sanctity of human life.
They will kill anybody including each other(car bombs in Iraqi markets, suicide bomber in lots of places) for any slight real or imagined.
There are only 2 solutions to this.
One sterilize the entire Muslim population. Time will take care of the problem or 2. quarantine them in an area, nothing goes in or out. Let their victims only be each other.
February 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 11:18
And then there is Fidel Castro whose long reign was most likely sustained by the perceived sense of importance given him by the multiple failed U.S. assassination attempts. The longer he lived, the more he became endeared to his movement and his people, especially because his continued existence represented a victory of little Cuba over the behemoth to the North.
February 24, 2008 10:56 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 10:56
Yossi:
I agree with you that targeted killing is not the effective policy its often touted to be. How sad that a state such as Israeli, with essentially no capital punishment, tarnishes its soul with these killings that often result in the deaths of innocent civilians.
Where is the evidence that Iran/Hezbollah were responsible for the Argentine terrorist attacks? I haven't seen anything in the media that is even close to being reliable.
As much as you congratulate Mossad, are you so sure that Syrian intelligence didn't give up Mughniyah for some as of yet unseen reason?
Perhaps the Golan Heights.
February 24, 2008 10:40 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 10:40
By far the best article read so far. Written with authority, insight and discipline. What else is there to be said except going off on a tangent and start rambling and moralizing over, at least from the Israeli viewpoint, this legitimate act of targeted killing.
Over time, it has become my impression that the Arabs don't give a rat's derriere about the plight and future of the Palestinians; the non-Muslim world looks down with great ennuie at Israel, and Hezbollah and Iranian counterpart are cultivating a pipe dream of destroying Israel, or at least sowing terror at all cost.
Short of surrendering, is there still room or a willingness for a political solution?
February 24, 2008 9:26 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 09:26
The true patriots are those who stand up and speak out against the atrocities that have been and continue to be perpetrated by our government with our tax dollars. The last thing we need are more good patriots like Joe who enable these moronic neocon policies.
Go ahead Joe, have another beer while another 3,000 of our best and brightest die in Iraq at the hands of our moronic Commander in Chief, while we slaughter a few more hundred thousand women and children for no reason, while we displace millions of families from their homes into refugee camps.
Go ahead Joe, have another beer.
February 24, 2008 9:16 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 09:16
Killing only leads to more killing. Love spreads love.
When are the Semites going to learn to live together? WHen will they turn their cheek to their enemy. As Gandhi said " An eye for an eye and pretty soon everyone is blind." This intense hatred and anger and the tit for tat has governments involved. Why doesn't the governments in the region show some responsibity.
February 24, 2008 6:49 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 06:49
Iy Kohen,
ya Mongoloid, tard funk, what's keepin' the likes a you with limbs and fingers to post the misinformation you're postin' is the big ole ass fence with state of the art motion detectors and electronic surveillance, NOT assassinations of Hamas leaders.
And Muganieh's assassination, while a feel good story for Israelis today, it really pickled their leadership class _ does Dumbo Olmert retaliate with an another all out war after the RESPONSE and risk losing Kadima for good _ that's the other edge of the sword.
February 24, 2008 5:10 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 05:10
All reports seem to indicate Mughniyah was killed precisely because he was actively involved in a
lethal conspiracy plotting mass murder attacks against population centers in Israel involving Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Hezbollah & Palestinian terror groups.
How ironic that in following the trail of blood shed by Hamas, they suddenly found the man they had been searching for all these years. In
fact, Mughniyah's undiminished taste for homicide and sociopathic state of mind, which fostered his
peculiar "lone wolf" tradecraft, led to his own discovery, betrayal and doom...
Was it unwise to eliminate him? In a word, no. Because this man was one of the most seasoned, capable and tactically brilliant terrorists in the Middle East, he will not be easily or quickly replaced by someone as competant. And perhaps whatever plans he laid with Meshaal and his
fanatic filth will now go astray.
I say bless whoever blew him to hell. For the first time in decades, all the families that suffered losses at the American Embassy and
in the Marine barracks in Beirut can sleep a little more soundly knowing justice has finally
been served.
February 24, 2008 4:40 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 04:40
Such hysteria about Israel here...
First off, how about we focus on reality. I know you are all breast fed anti-Israel lies and propaganda from the best of neo-nazi and jihadi web sites, but let's focus on something.
This animal was a monster. He was responsible for the murder of dozens of AMERICAN marines in Lebanon. Remember that? If any of you little snots likes this guy, you like an avowed enemy of America who murdered Americans. That makes you an enemy of America too. Get out of my country.
He also masterminded the raids and kidnappings that started the recent war in Lebanon. If you think that was good, then get out of my country.
Very seriously, if you are anything but happy that this evil pig, spawned of a prostitute, is dead and now in facing judgment, get out of my country.
By the way, it might not have been the Israelis that got him. It might have been us. I certainly hope so.
As for me, I am having a beer at the thought of one less roach to step on.
February 24, 2008 4:03 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 04:03
Assassinating terrorist leaders brings peace. This is a well-established fact:
THE WAY WE LIVE NOW: ISRAEL PROVES THERE IS A MILITARY SOLUTION TO TERRORISM
…Anyone who visits Jerusalem today will not see the ghost town it was in 2002, when Israel was absorbing an average of one suicide bombing a week.
… How did things improve so dramatically, and so quickly, for Palestinians and Israelis alike? Begin by recalling Israel's assassination, in late March, of Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. At the time, the action was all but universally condemned as reckless and counterproductive. "By granting Yassin the martyrdom he craved, the Israelis have provided a motive for new suicide attacks," went an editorial in the normally pro-Israel Daily Telegraph of London. "More young Palestinians will fall in love with death, and more Israeli civilians will die with them."
Yet what followed for Israel were nearly six consecutive terror-free months. This wasn't because the Palestinian terror groups lacked for motivation to carry out attacks. It was because they lacked for means. The leaders of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Yasser Arafat's own al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades had to spend their time figuring out how to survive, not on planning fresh attacks. The Israeli army incarcerated terror suspects in record numbers--some 6,000 now sit in Israeli prisons--which in turn helped yield information for future arrests. Most importantly, the security fence has begun to make the Israeli heartland nearly impenetrable to Palestinian infiltrators. (August's double suicide bombing in Beersheba happened precisely because there is still no security fence separating that town from the Palestinian city of Hebron, from where the bombers were dispatched.)
Taken together, these measures prove what a legion of diplomats, pundits and reporters have striven to deny: that there is a military solution to the conflict.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005768
and
"Gen. Amidror: Targeted Killings Work" (Nov. 2, 2005 / 30 Tishrei 5766)
...Gen. Amidror, speaking on Army Radio, quoted the "precise statistics" of a study by Prof. Ben-Yisrael of Tel Aviv University, showing that "we used to have a full 140 deaths a month, and we were able to bring it down to 50 a year - without even a kilometer of fence."
Amidror explained that this achievement was enabled in two stages: "First by re-conquering Judea and Samaria [in 2002], and then, three months later, by arresting or killing terror leaders... It causes them to spend their time finding hiding places, instead of planning terror attacks."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=92236
February 24, 2008 4:01 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 04:01
Such hysteria about Israel here...
First off, how about we focus on reality. I know you are all breast fed anti-Israel lies and propaganda from the best of neo-nazi and jihadi web sites, but let's focus on something.
This animal was a monster. He was responsible for the murder of dozens of AMERICAN marines in Lebanon. Remember that? If any of you little snots likes this guy, you like an avowed enemy of America who murdered Americans. That makes you an enemy of America too. Get out of my country.
He also masterminded the raids and kidnappings that started the recent war in Lebanon. If you think that was good, then get out of my country.
Very seriously, if you are anything but happy that this evil pig, spawned of a prostitute, is dead and now in facing judgment, get out of my country.
By the way, it might not have been the Israelis that got him. It might have been us. I certainly hope so.
As for me, I am having a beer at the thought of one less roach to step on.
February 24, 2008 4:00 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 04:00
A lot of hot air about people who cannot distinguish between the Islam that the Prophet (saaw) taught and the miserable state of affairs which they live within the Muslim world.
Ironically, there are Muslim matrimonial sites advertised on the very same pages advocating that Islam is evil and against women & destroying the world. In reality, the cause of the misery of the Muslim world is the ABSENCE of Islam as it is supposed to be. Instead, there are ruling authoritarian regimes who spread corruption and are protected by ulama who serve them rather than God. Together, they fail to solve the chronic problems of the Muslim world, instead causing new problems and inviting still more problems.
Meanwhile, they squandor resources, spread corruption, injustice, hypocricy, engourge themselves with 100s of billions- if not trillions- in wealth which by Islam should be designated to care for the poor, needy, and helpless.
But of course this aspect of Islam is always suppressed because it doesn't suit the selfish interests of naysayers and hatemongers. Nevermind that Islam rules out riba'/interest and the capitalist financing industry which chokes the life out of the poor. Nevermind that Islam makes all energy resources as public property rather than private. Nevermind that Islam forbids the divisiveness of nationalism.
However, this thread is n