Yossi Melman is a senior commentator for the Israeli daily Haaretz. He specializes in intelligence, security, terrorism and strategic issues. An author of seven books on these topics, his most recent book, The Nuclear Sphinx of Tehran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the State of Iran was published recently by Carroll & Graf.
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Yossi Melman is a senior commentator for the Israeli daily Haaretz. He specializes in intelligence, security, terrorism and strategic issues. An author of seven books on these topics, his most recent book, The Nuclear Sphinx of Tehran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the State of Iran was published recently by Carroll & Graf.
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"The whole point of deterrence is that the enemy values its own life and the lives of its people. MAD does not work with people that believe they get to sport with 72 virgins in heaven".
A deliberate smearing campaign and lies against a country which wants to rightfully stand on its own feet and without the forced interferences and bullying from outside.
p.s. did you mean 72 angels? (or should we not discuss that one also?). By the way, I'm not religious, I just question those who throw around unfair and deliberate misinformation against any people, hoping for more wars and for more people to get killed.
I am sorry to say that why some one are so frightened from iran ?The question is why they oppose so strongly of iran nuclear right vacuse that will end the hegemony of middle east parasitic force or that will nuetralize the power of aggressor?
Jews in Europe were declared some how as demon and after suffering at the hands of German extremist forces; the massacre and awful extermination faced by Jews in Europe; few were lucky enough to escape the tyranny. These fewer foresaw a refuge (as we all human do)—in their religion. Palestine was lying unguarded after world war II(placed under British for administration only).These Jews were allowed to avail a shelter and protection there on humanitarian grounds. They trickled in in numbers. This ‘movement of Jews’ was picked up by the retreating colonial Empire think tanks and they chalked out a scheme of ‘a come back’ and thus Israel was created.
The entire Middle East including the Jews of Israel are the victims of this scheme. Since the very inception of Israel; it is being used as the launching pad of western policies to wade through the ways in Middle East and avail a return of the western forces to oil rich Arab peninsula. Arabs have been warning Israel which has often been turning into skirmishes with Israel. This scenario further developed and huge sums and technology support has been pelted, into Israel in the name of ‘Israel’s security’. Israel has since been armed to its teeth including its nuclear war heads. Only US pays some 80 billions dollars for the services rendered by Israel. Israel Nuclear programme at Dimona nuclear proliferation plant in Negev Desert was started in 1952 with the help of France and now Israel has developed (as per Israel production rate estimates) some 200 nuclear war heads along with the delivery vehicles, Jericho-1 and Jericho-2 missiles. Dimona is served by a near by military air base at Niveta AB and Uranium geochemistry and fission-track mapping of phosphorites facilities at Zefa field, Zefa. But US Defence Intelligence report estimate at 65 to 80 war heads.
Ever since that Israel has opted to act as an active agent…a US proxy; the entire Middle East is in turmoil. Where as lives of thousands of Arabs as well Israelite have perished; it has also resulted into a formal occupation of Arab land. Mega-mega US bases in Iraq are being turned into staging ground to sabotage the other countries in the North. After consolidating their position in Arab Lands; US is busy in securing their foot prints in energy rich Central Asia.
At this stage Iran happens to be a hard nut. To deal with Iran as well as another hard nut Pakistan; sitting with some 70 to 80 nuclear war heads in the kitty. It is quite perceivable that love bond Israel will be brought to alter for sacrifice. As I said at other place; the next 9/11 type; a self inflicting wound will be made to happen in Tel-Aviv (90% chances are predicted by Gurus) to generate a pretext and launch a full fledge attack to subjugate Iran and install there, a regime of US choice.
That is why the US along with other European beneficiaries are bent upon denying and restricting any technological advancement in defence arsenal by Iran or any other Arab country to avail a free run when ever it is decided to go in.
Reasonable not hateful @December 10, 2007 2:51 PM: A small clarification: The Jewish and Christian communities in Iran are guaranteed a minimum representation in the Iranian Parliament. I have always found that interesting.
By the way, have you noticed how much the Christian population in the Holy Lands has been reduced since the occupation began? I also find that interesting.
For all the author's statements, my observations are that:
1. Iran has not attacked anyone;
2. Those who were correct about Iraq are apparently correct about Iran;
3. Those who gave us the fiasco in Iraq, advocate that Iran has/wants/whatever nuclear weapons.
Israel invaded a neighbor last year, and killed thousands; we invade Iraq and killed hunreds of thousands.
Since I can’t stand either of you; I think its best that Israel and Iran go to the mat and destroy each other. Do something useful with all those billions we have been funneling you. The religiously driven governments of both nations are silly and immature. Take Bush with you too please.
In reviewing the NPT it is interesting to see that no state has complied with Article VI
Article VI
Each of the Parties to the Treaty undertakes to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and on a treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control.
Then one should also look at Article IV
Article IV
1. Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with Articles I and II of this Treaty.
After reading both articles and seeing Bush's belligerent foreign policies, it is easy to see why many states would feel threatened by the America and feel the need to develop additional means of protection.
In reviewing the NPT it is interesting to see that no state has complied with Article VI
Article VI
Each of the Parties to the Treaty undertakes to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and on a treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control.
Then one should also look at Article IV
Article IV
1. Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with Articles I and II of this Treaty.
After reading both articles and seeing Bush's belligerent foreign policies, it is easy to see why many states would feel threatened by the America and feel the need to develop additional means of protection.
Gee, Israel is not a member of NPT and this Israeli is lecturing the rest of the world on how the NPT should be implemented. The "Safe Guards" is an amendment to the treaty and member nations can accept or reject any change to the original contract (i.e. treaty).
Second, it is fair to mention that Iran has been inspected more than any other NPT member of the last years and it is under constant online live monitoring with cameras, computer data, etc.
But again, Israalis are known to be serial liars, some sort of mirro image of Nazis.
The charge of lying and manipulation apply more aptly to the U.S. and Israel, both of which have nuclear weapons. There is no reason that Iran should not have nuclear for its self-defense....although it should be stated that more nations in possession of the nuclear the more dangerous world becomes.
Yes, of course Israel has had a nuclear capability for decades, as last-ditch insurance for her survival. What is the likelihood that Israeli nukes would ever be handed over to stateless terrorists, to be detonated in a city somewhere?
If Iran got nukes, what would keep them from handing a few over to their Hezbollah pals, glorifiers of the suicide bomb? All the recent NIE means is that the Iranians have been somewhat delayed in developing their uranium enrichment program, no more.
I don't believe that bombing Iran will be of any help, but it is urgent that we take this present breathing-space to make some diplomatic progress in nonproliferation. Otherwise, or perhaps in any case, we can look forward to a very unwelcome mushroom cloud. Reading the NIE as justification for going back to sleep is a very bad idea.
Never trust a man who is unwilling to look you in the eye (without the Soprano shades need one add.)
Now for the Good News. Israel has announced that now is the time for all good Jews to return to Israel. The demographics require it you know.
Afterall the Jews have never had a home of their own and Israel is made to order. Go home and do your best to "multiply" faster than the remnants of the Arab population in Israel who failed to leave during the terror and ethnic cleansing action by terrorists such as Begin, Sharon, and therest of the honored founders of Israel.
Who says terrorism doesn't work? Just look at the job the Stern and other gangs did on innocent British Tommys on the way to driving the British out of the mandate.
Oh but that was a different situation: This land was given to the Israelis by God himself and if you don't believe this then you can just read the bible and there it is.
Oh yes an excellent brief for the Jews who make great legal counsel, especially when preparing a submission arguing their case.
But the new testamant is just fables and myths according to the Jews.
Never trust a man who is unwilling to look you in the eye (without the Soprano shades need one add.)
Now for the Good News. Israel has announced that now is the time for all good Jews to return to Israel. The demographics require it you know.
Afterall the Jews have never had a home of their own and Israel is made to order. Go home and do your best to "multiply" faster than the remnants of the Arab population in Israel who failed to leave during the terror and ethnic cleansing action by terrorists such as Begin, Sharon, and therest of the honored founders of Israel.
Who says terrorism doesn't work? Just look at the job the Stern and other gangs did on innocent British Tommys on the way to driving the British out of the mandate.
Oh but that was a different situation: This land was given to the Israelis by God himself and if you don't believe this then you can just read the bible and there it is.
Oh yes an excellent brief for the Jews who make great legal counsel, especially when preparing a submission arguing their case.
But the new testamant is just fables and myths according to the Jews.
Never trust a man who is unwilling to look you in the eye (without the Soprano shades need one add.)
Now for the Good News. Israel has announced that now is the time for all good Jews to return to Israel. The demographics require it you know.
Afterall the Jews have never had a home of their own and Israel is made to order. Go home and do your best to "multiply" faster than the remnants of the Arab population in Israel who failed to leave during the terror and ethnic cleansing action by terrorists such as Begin, Sharon, and therest of the honored founders of Israel.
Who says terrorism doesn't work? Just look at the job the Stern and other gangs did on innocent British Tommys on the way to driving the British out of the mandate.
Oh but that was a different situation: This land was given to the Israelis by God himself and if you don't believe this then you can just read the bible and there it is.
Oh yes an excellent brief for the Jews who make great legal counsel, especially when preparing a submission arguing their case.
But the new testamant is just fables and myths according to the Jews.
Never trust a man who is unwilling to look you in the eye (without the Soprano shades need one add.)
Now for the Good News. Israel has announced that now is the time for all good Jews to return to Israel. The demographics require it you know.
Afterall the Jews have never had a home of their own and Israel is made to order. Go home and do your best to "multiply" faster than the remnants of the Arab population in Israel who failed to leave during the terror and ethnic cleansing action by terrorists such as Begin, Sharon, and therest of the honored founders of Israel.
Who says terrorism doesn't work? Just look at the job the Stern and other gangs did on innocent British Tommys on the way to driving the British out of the mandate.
Oh but that was a different situation: This land was given to the Israelis by God himself and if you don't believe this then you can just read the bible and there it is.
Oh yes an excellent brief for the Jews who make great legal counsel, especially when preparing a submission arguing their case.
But the new testamant is just fables and myths according to the Jews.
This Yossi Melman covers his face with big dark glasses. Is there something Yossi Melman want to hide? I can tell this Yossi Melman guy is a liar.
Yossi Melman lies about everything. He never tell the world about Israel's shameful apartheid and occupation of Palestine.
Israel lies to the world about its nuclear weapon program. Israel refuses to allow IAEA to inspect its nuclear program. Israel refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Who's the liar? Yossi Melman should just look at himself in the mirror.
Yossi my friend, the world is changing, it is shifting, revolving, evolving and growing. Israel has signed very few treaties, speculation is abundanat that she does hold a nuclear weapon between her bosoms. We look about the same age, per the published photo of you with the dark glasses. Do you expect the world to percieve as you do, from black, blind lenses?
Yossi my friend, I am a survivor of the cold war, a holocaust prevented. The term was 'MAD', mutually assured destruction. Between Soviets and the west. If you launch a nuclear weapon in my direction, I will send 10 your way as a response, in the hope that @ least 1 will retaliate.
The dust is still settling from Hiroshima, Nagasaki...
Yossi my friend, you are MAD, playing a game of 'mutually assured destruction.'
The only thing truthful about this article is that You should't trust a compulsive Liar. You are 100% right and President Bush has proven that when it comes to lying, He's head and Shoulders above Anyone else. Not a single thing the Man has said turned out to be truthful. Now that takes real dedication.
The pot calling the kettle black!
There is no shame, my God!
Where is the limit! Is it any?
Have we lost all hope?
Talking of living in different worlds!!!
Stop the Iraq carnage, and this absurd, primitive and subhuman religious war, do that, before you open your shameless criminal lier big mouth!
This individual talks of signatory members, and of agreements with the International Agencies, and or reporting their things, and of allowed them to be inspected, and of having broken pledges in this regard, and of cheating for nearly "many" years, and of building secret sites, and of purchasing nuclear material, and of conducting tests in this and of enrichment of that, and of developing a warhead, and of "all without declaring it", and of whether can some be trusted, and of how can the world believe that a permanent liar has corrected his ways?
Isn't this a bizzaro world?
He is a member of Israel's intelligence, for God's sake!
Israel has been doing these since 1946, the least! Even since "before it existed"!
Israel has mooned United Nations, and all and every serious international agency since its inception, and as a matter of fact is methodically undermining Rice's efforts as we speak, to get Palestinians and Israelis to get an, some, AAAANY, accord together, and he is talking of "respecting accords"???!!@#$%$#@!% ^%$#@
We Americans lost 3,886 lives just to "raise Israel's sense of security", and this personage wants us to spend another 3,886 lives more attacking Iran, just to "raise" his friggin tranquility?
Are we sooooooooooo disposable ?
Hey, Yossi, what's with the shades? Was this picture taken outside with you looking into the sun? They make it look like you're trying to look tough, like a gangsta rapper or something.
OK, can we acknowledge that both Palestinians and Israelis have treated each other badly, and move on to the next question?
Israel developed its nuclear capabilities during an era when war with its allies was not infrequent and the US was not yet a committed ally.
Those conditions have changed. Israel demonstrated the superiority of its forces in conventional war, and it's neighbors know that the US will be backing Israel in case of hostilities.
Could Israel use its nukes if, say, Syria was dumb enough to attack? I think not, unless the life of millions was at stake. To break the nuclear stalemate with the first use of these weapons in war since 1945 would provoke a huge international backlash against Israel. The US might have to withdraw support.
What are Israel's current security concerns? Assymetric warfare and harrassment of the population by terrorists. Nukes have no pratical or symbolic value here.
A nuclear-free Mideast would have an immense pratical or symbolic value.
Iran's reasons for interest in nuclear weapons are, like Israel's, defensive. With Saddam gone and the majority faction(s) in Iraq more favorable, one threat is gone. If the US would swear off of regime change (as long as Iran doesn't launch any wars), the second threat would recede. I'm not aware of any great issues between Iran and Pakistan or India. If Israel would agree to disarm, there would be no reason for Iran to pursue nuclear weapons.
Of course, another issue remains - Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel will have to quit taking Palestinian land and houses and settle the outstanding issues if it wants to see the end of its security problems. The land was peaceful while there was hope for the Oslo process. Sharon deliberately provoked the second Intifada to build public support for his hard-line approach to the Palestinian problem. We might have had a much healthier situation if Rabin hadn't been assassinated.
There is hope for Israel, but a hard-line stance will not produce the fruit of peace. Compromise is vital.
The irony is surely lost on Yossi Melman. Israel actually has developed - and deployed for operational use - nuclear weapons. No Israeli nuclear site has ever been inspected. It is almost like a joke in bad taste to pretend that Iran is actually introducing nuclear devices into the Middle East.
Joe, you should educate yourself before so confidently commenting on issues you know nothing about. Then you may not have to retract those comments later and look foolish.
Only someone who uncritically accepts state propoganda could criticise Iran for their 'schemes for power in the mideast'. Maybe you dont know this but Iran is one of the largest countries in the Middle East, why shouldn't they exercise power in their region. You must be very unthinking not to notice the US destruction caused by it's "schemes for power in the mideast". What gives the US the right to travel thousands of miles to implement it's 'schemes for power in the mid east" - other than it's mighty military of course.
I suggest you go away and read some independent media and the abundent and excellent disident US writers before commenting further.
Are Israel's nuclear programs inspected by the IAEA yet?
This is from 2004:
Transcript of the Director General´s Press Statement on IAEA Inspection in Iran, Libya & the Republic of Korea:
Q: Why is the IAEA conducting verification activities in Iran and not Israel?
A: It´s a question I have answered so many times – the Agency has a clear cut jurisdiction, a mandate. Our mandate is to verify nuclear programmes of countries that are party to the NPT. Iran is a party to the Non-Proliferation Treaty as well as another 184 non-nuclear weapons states. Some other countries like Israel, India, Pakistan as well as the five weapons states, are not party to, are not subject to our verification. India, Pakistan and Israel are not party to the NPT and while I would like, in the future, to see everyone subject to comprehensive verification, right now, the Agency have no jurisdiction or mandate to do such verification. So it is not a question of double standards, it is a question of mandate and jurisdiction that is entrusted by the international community to the Agency.
And Joe, please don't bring up isolated cases of stoning and SHUT like that.
Believe it or not, we have a leading presidential candidate here who not long ago advocated rounding up the homosexuals and AIDS victims and isolating them from society, calling them sinners.
Given a chance to change his position, that leading candidate said that he wouldn't change and stood by his earlier comments. That candidate is the surging and Ordained Minister himself, Mike Huckabee.
Now I wouldn't expect much from Ahmadinejad and his stupid comment that Iran doesn't have any homosexuals. But in our country, a christian who is biblically bound to Israel to make such a statement seems out of step with the rest of the country. I would hope that the world doesn't judge all Americans as Mike Huckabees who want to round up a segment of society and isolate them and label them as sinners.
melman,
I see u don't mention,not once,the racist apartheid miltaristic jewish occupying theocracy-and absolutely nothing about its vulagar refusal to declare and sign with IAEA???
U have no shame whatsoever and besides being an idiot u are insulting the intelligence of the readers.
Joe, with all due respect, who is the one who comes across as the "arrogant windbag"?
I will let the readers decide. But I will tell you that I am no defender of this regime. It has perpetrated some terrible crimes during its 28 years of power. But almost exclusively those crimes have been committed against its own people, not its neighbors or region.
We look at history such as Stalingrad and call the defenders of that city heroic. Hitler invaded Russia and slaughtered everyone and everything in its way. To great sacrifice, the Russians turned the aggressors back. They call that war the The Patriotic War. Why? Because it was defending the motherland.
When a country or a people are attacked without provocation, and the world stands by to allow it, then anything goes to defend the motherland. The criminal mullahs sent some unwilling souls to their deaths in those battlefields, but a large number went due to patriotism, love of nation and fear of enemy. You have not heard of the atrocities committed by Saddam and his forces on civilians in the towns and villages he invaded. I am talking not only about WMD and executions, but rape of women and children.
Those mullahs should be cursed for weakening a once proud nation and its military to leave it so vulnerable. But one must be true to history and correctly state that the world allowed this to happen. Fact is that this war was the only occassion during the COLD WAR that the Soviet Union, US, Britian, France and China all backed the same side. Ironically, the only one who backed Iran and would sell it some parts was Israel.
It was Henry Kissinger that said it is a shame that both countries couldn't lose. Who is the barbarian here?
It was our navy who unprovoked shot down a civilian iranian airliner and killed innocent people, all in the name of defending the OIL tankers? Who is the terrorist by its true definition?
And no, Iranian proxies do not chop heads either. Again with the mis-information. Those are the Al-Qaeda and Sunni & Bathist insurgents who would just as soon chop iranian heads as they would US or Israeli. In fact they see Shi'ites as apostates and hold a special hatred towards them.
Israel is far more dangerous than Iran ever could be. Israel has nuclear weapons but refuses to say so to the world. Is this to avoid inspectors in? You are a hypocrite. What kind of game are they playing is Tel Aviv. Quite frankly, I am growing tired of this Middle Eastern bully nation.
"First, all nations who are signatory members of the Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and have agreements with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), known as "Safeguards Agreements," have committed themselves to declare and report their nuclear sites and allowed them to be inspected by IAEA inspectors."
Except of course for Israel who has an illegal nuclear weapons program and no accountability to any nation or the world. Come on! This guy is a propagandist. That Iran shut down their weapons program is very good news. Sour grapes Israel didn't get the war they wanted...like they did in Iraq. That's good news for the world in and of itself.
If there was anything to be learbned from the NIE, it was that Bush willingly lies to his own people about the greatest threat on the planet...and gets away with it. No media, no branch of the government, no court will hold him accountable. Nobody is doing anything about the internal destruction of our democracy and its checks and balances. Look at Washington Post/Newsweek. They hire Karl Rove instead of playing their role as watchdog. This absence of accountability is a greater threat to our freedom than Iran will ever be.
You are correct that I listed a number of issues that involve many of the Arab nations and not Iran, this was more in response to the foolish knee-jerk responses to the post than to the original article.
I am shocked that you blow past the children's martyr brigades as if it were nothing. You almost make the Iranis sound heroic for such a vile and morally repugnant deed. You are correct, that white-washing such a thing does mean you deserve to be called a moron. Rather it makes you a defender of barbarism - and you have not thought through the implication...
People who can do that are not people who need to have atomic weapons. The whole point of deterrence is that the enemy values its own life and the lives of its people. MAD does not work with people that believe they get to sport with 72 virgins in heaven. This means that a Nuclear Irani state, run by the same Mullahs, is more likely to NOT be dettered by the threat of destruction.
You also blow past Irans president. He's just a nut.... So what? He doesn't count? You are correct that he does not hold power. You are correct that the Mullahs do and that he says nothing they do not approve of. Think about that... He says nothing they do not approve of.
You make Iran sound like a reasonable and peaceable place... Do you really deny their schemes for power in the mideast? Do you really deny their involvement in Lebanon of their control of Hamas and Hezzballah? You blow past that point by blaming Israel for Hamas... Who is it that funded Hamas and armed Hamas after they showed their true colors? We all know it was Iran.
You are nothing but an arrogant windbag. You are not a moron, but You do know just enough to be dangerous. Do you really believe that Iran is not a major player in the terro business? Do you really believe that they are not interested in ousting the Saudis? Do you really believe that the Right wing is just peachy over there?
As to the brutal theocracy and head chop videos. In point of fact, the Iranis do not tend to chop heads, their terrorist proxies do. In point of fact Iran is a wonderful place... I mean they have no gay people right? Homosexuality is still punishable by brutal public execution. And that really is a point. Lots of things are punishable by brutal public execution over there. Lots of stonings and hangings to be specific, and people take their kids to the show. Stoning is an audience participation event after all. Again, what is the implication. Someone who when to the stoning with daddy and helped kill someone brutally is not someone who has anything remotely approaching a civilised repect for life. This is another reason to not trust them with more military power.
As to the chimpanzees and revolvers analogy. I would apply the same analogy to Klansmen who wanted a bomb - and I would do it with good reason.
You sir are a useful idiot. If you are educated as you claim, you will know the reference.
Hi...punc again. I would suggest Mr. Yossi and all the other crazies on this board read the article by Nikos Konstandaras on this site, which is a much well thought out and balanced article on the subject. Mr. Yossi, you could learn and think of two about rational analysis from Mr. Nikos.
On the nuclear weapons issue, it is time to stop the selective debate on one country versus another. There are probably about 5 or 6 other countries currently with the "knowledge" to turn nuclear material into nuclear weapons. The data is probably available on the internet. I put the word "knowledge" in parenthesis because that now appears to be the latest gripe about the Iranians. I am sure at one stage in history long since past that nation A griped about nation B having the knowledge to turn out gunpowder. What we need to do is get over the issue about nuclear materials and come clean as regards the nations that currently possess same, nations that would like to and nations that would like to see the whole lot abolished. A new agreement needs to be hammered out committing all and sundry to a schedule for elimination and non creation of nuclear weapons.
Nations need to stop trying to foist their own agendas on top of everyone else and making scapegoats and blackguards out of nations they dislike. The nuclear weapons are too dangerous in the hands of nations, be they democratic or non democratic.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I do not think these mullahs are pro-US. Nor am I saying that we should prefer them over Israel. Israel is the de-facto 51st state of this country and we should defend them.
I am stating facts that next to Israel, Iran is the most democratic government in the Middle East. You don't have to take my work for it. You can study and/or listen to experts such as David Gergen, Richard Haas, Pat Buchanan, etc. THis doesn't mean we should pick them over Israel. It was just disputing the mis-information that Joe was putting out for readers.
Regarding your comment "the people in Iran like us, but the mullahs do not, and THEY have the power through their military and secret police", you are correct. But remember what is now no longer in dispute, that these mullahs are pragmatists. Look at their critical assistance in toppling the Taliban. Also look at the memo they sent in 2003 to the Bush Administration to discuss and assist in various matters in the Middle East; including the Israeli Peace process. Don't take my word, listen to the key players (now ex-players) within this administration during those critical periods.
And lets not even talk about Ahmadinejad. He is a certified nut. But a nut with no real authority. In some ways, he is less dangerous than Bush. In fact in Iran, the people's response to Ahmadinejad is that the US has their messianic idiot and we have ours.
Please concentrate a little more when reading a post that really is not in opposition to what you are saying, rather than calling someone a MORON.
Isn't a moron someone with a short attention span or mental capacity?
Why should the U.S. and Americans believe Israel now when they lied to us about Saddam and his WMD threat to Israel and the U.S.?
Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice shame on us!!!
P.S. U.S. and Israel's interests are neither congruent or even similar. Why did peace loving Israel launch a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and the U.S.S. Liberty? When will Israel admit the facts and come clean to the survivors of this baseless and wanton treachery by a presumed ally?
Hi...it's punc again. Israel knew very well that Saddam had no WMD, but worked hand in hand with Bush and Cheney to invade Iraq, which resulted in the deaths of 4000 of our boys and wasted $2 trillion that could have been used to pay for our children's health coverage. Israel is up to its evil tricks again and wants to repeat the same with Iran. We must guard vigilantly against this evil nation with its evil people, so our children are not killed for a false war again.
You probably DESERVE to be called a Moron if you think that the "democracy" in Iran(a theocracy) is something that we should prefer over what the Israel's have. Jeez.
Also, the people in Iran like us, but the mullahs do not, and THEY have the power through their military and secret police.
Any country that has this nutjob Ahmadinejad , who makes comments about our ally Israel that they should be wiped off the face of the earth, that the Holocaust never happened- and that has the religious leaders really running the country- can't be a real flag carrier for the kind of government we can trust or even admire. Also, he sits there and critiques Israel for their attack on Lebanon, all the while financially and militarily supporting Hezbollah that lobbed missiles into Israel. Hiding among the civilians is what they do.
Sorry, I can't buy into your mistaken rhetoric that somehow they are to be more trusted than Israel.
No, Mr. Yossi...Iran did not lie about nuclear weapons. It was the NIE which is a U.S. government agency that said Iran stopped its nuclear program. So you're basically calling the U.S. a liar and pedophile nation because our honest hardworking intelligence service did not want to send more of our children to die for Israel. Did anyone notice that Israel is the only country in the world that was disappointed when the NIE published its report? You would think they would be jumping in joy because that means Iran would not be able to attack Israel. But Jews always prefer violence and perpetual war (Read history. The jews have never lived in peace). But they're sad because it removes a reason to bromb bombs on Tehran and kill some persians. Make no mistake...Israel equals perpetual war and violence.
I'll accept that individual jihadists are not rational actors. But I don't think you can characterize the entirety of Iran's government, clergy, and military as one monolithic band of single purpose crazies.
In the wake of NIE report that Iran has since abundant her ambitious nuclear plans; a notion has emerged that since military strike against Iran makes no sense; so it will not happen. This may be a wishful thinking and under mining the core reality of US ‘ideological driven policy objective’ of regime change in Tehran. We need to call our recent past, when such like debates were seen before, in the build-up to the invasion of Iraq. While the world was debating the issue of WMD; left unmentioned was the decade’s long policy of regime change in Iraq. The event of 9/11 put the regime change in fast track and today the end result is the occupation of Iraq. The WMD issue was simply a facilitator for the conflict’.
The same can be said of the situation facing the United States and Iran today. The nuclear and terror issues are simply vehicles for implementing a policy of regime change. Take away the nuclear issue and the policy remains. A new facilitator, such as terrorism, is then employed.’
The US Congress is continuous in support of the existing war powers resolutions passed in 2001 and 2002, and they have again tied their hands to Bush administration contentions by labelling the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as terror organisation. This tantamount to give Bush a full free hand; in case Bush initiate an attack against Iran.
Although N I E Report has dampen the intensity of war rhetoric for a while; but it may be the calm before the bigger storm.
This may be seen as rushing to some rash analysis, but it seems most likely (due to the compelling evidences of Bush’s administration past history) that soon we be going to have another 9/11 event! This time ground zero may not be some twin tower like targets in America but it will be (most probably a self inflicted 9/11 like wound surfacing) some where in Tel-Aviv-Israel.
Keeping in view the past US conduct and treatment of, her appointed proxies; it is not difficult to ascertain that Israel may find a change in US norms in respect of her being a staunch ally but now it’s this ally’s turn to be taken to the alter for the slaughter; (Another bad habit of US) to quell and silence for good, a first hand abettor of her Middle East Atrocious policy conductor. It is over due since long!
America uses its proxies like tissue paper. Israel services are since long over stretched and Israel must be tired of acting as a fore runner for US in Middle East.(Recent US effort of ditching of Musharraf comes to mind). Any how, Israel has indirectly enabled US to secure a good foot hold in Iraq; a most wanted US mega base in the Middle East is now in place.
9/11 like replay around Tel-Aviv will be the most appropriate scenario to hold Iran responsible and initiate attack against Iran. In the light of old rhetoric of Iran; of wiping off the Israel from world map; Israel may be the first to send aerial bombardment sorties to Iran nuclear and other military targets like Nataz, Bushehr,Arak, Shian and Esfahan. Followed by an all out US lead forces move to invade Iran to occupy and facilitate a regime change.
Next US mega bases in Iran may be in North of Tehran; over looking Caspian Sea; the most vantage locations to check and guard any possible Russian retaliatory moves from across Caspian Sea.
In this conflict the country to bear the brunt, the most may be Israel; starting with a loss of lives in the initial ‘ground zero action’; followed by the retaliatory action by Iran in response to Israel’s aerial bombardment as well as on ground moves. But Israel may not be able to bear the brunt. In recent Lebanon war, it was witnessed that even ill aimed, short range Hezbollah Kaytosha rockets sporadic and mild attacks were not a good experience for Israel in the north.
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Love for all, Hatred for none
Second, the Russians don't believe that dying for Allah is a good thing. They don't believe that they get to sport with 72 virgins in heaven. MAD worked with the Russians because they don't believe in suicide. The Irani Mullahs are a little different.
Now to answer the post from Joe. First I ask why you would resort to calling anyone who has a differing opinion of Israel a moron? It truly reflects the intolerance of someone who should know better.
1) Regarding Israel continuously getting attacked, since it's inception, while the other side has been doing the attacking, I would ask how many of those attacks were committed by an Iranian army?
2) Regarding Israel trying to make peace deals, while the other side responds with more bombs everytime a new peace deal seems possible. I would say that this also is not an Iranian issue. Israel's problems lie with the Arabs surrounding it.
3) Regarding your statement that Iranian backed Hamas just passed a law that making a peace deal with Israel is "treason", you should remind all the readers that Hamas was formed with the support and backing of Israel to counter Fatah. Hamas are a bunch of thugs who have filled a vaccuum vacated by a corrupt party who did not represent the palestenians. Additionally, Hamas is the equivalent of the Likud party in Israel. They are both very radical and out-of-the-norm. There are member of this party that want to liberate Samaria and other lands all the way eastward to modern day Iraq.
4) Regarding your comment that that Israel does not make headchop videos. Neither does Iran. Again, those are Sunni Arab insurgents and al-Qaeda.
5) Regarding your statement "You might notice that Israel has freedom of religion." So does Iran. It has the second largest jewish population in the middle east with full rights and representation in parliament. These mullahs can be criticized for a lot of things, but one must concede that freedom of religion is not high on that list. Christians, jews, zoroasterians, sunnis, and sufis enjoy freedom of religion.
6) Regarding your statement "You might notice that Israel is a Democracy and an ally of the United States." Believe it or not, Iran is the closest thing to a democr
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"The whole point of deterrence is that the enemy values its own life and the lives of its people. MAD does not work with people that believe they get to sport with 72 virgins in heaven".
A deliberate smearing campaign and lies against a country which wants to rightfully stand on its own feet and without the forced interferences and bullying from outside.
p.s. did you mean 72 angels? (or should we not discuss that one also?). By the way, I'm not religious, I just question those who throw around unfair and deliberate misinformation against any people, hoping for more wars and for more people to get killed.
December 13, 2007 12:59 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 13, 2007 12:59
I am sorry to say that why some one are so frightened from iran ?The question is why they oppose so strongly of iran nuclear right vacuse that will end the hegemony of middle east parasitic force or that will nuetralize the power of aggressor?
December 13, 2007 7:25 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 13, 2007 07:25
A clarification;
For; US pays some 80 billions dollars for the services rendered by Israel.
Please read: 8 billions
Thanks
December 13, 2007 5:11 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 13, 2007 05:11
Jews in Europe were declared some how as demon and after suffering at the hands of German extremist forces; the massacre and awful extermination faced by Jews in Europe; few were lucky enough to escape the tyranny. These fewer foresaw a refuge (as we all human do)—in their religion. Palestine was lying unguarded after world war II(placed under British for administration only).These Jews were allowed to avail a shelter and protection there on humanitarian grounds. They trickled in in numbers. This ‘movement of Jews’ was picked up by the retreating colonial Empire think tanks and they chalked out a scheme of ‘a come back’ and thus Israel was created.
The entire Middle East including the Jews of Israel are the victims of this scheme. Since the very inception of Israel; it is being used as the launching pad of western policies to wade through the ways in Middle East and avail a return of the western forces to oil rich Arab peninsula. Arabs have been warning Israel which has often been turning into skirmishes with Israel. This scenario further developed and huge sums and technology support has been pelted, into Israel in the name of ‘Israel’s security’. Israel has since been armed to its teeth including its nuclear war heads. Only US pays some 80 billions dollars for the services rendered by Israel. Israel Nuclear programme at Dimona nuclear proliferation plant in Negev Desert was started in 1952 with the help of France and now Israel has developed (as per Israel production rate estimates) some 200 nuclear war heads along with the delivery vehicles, Jericho-1 and Jericho-2 missiles. Dimona is served by a near by military air base at Niveta AB and Uranium geochemistry and fission-track mapping of phosphorites facilities at Zefa field, Zefa. But US Defence Intelligence report estimate at 65 to 80 war heads.
Ever since that Israel has opted to act as an active agent…a US proxy; the entire Middle East is in turmoil. Where as lives of thousands of Arabs as well Israelite have perished; it has also resulted into a formal occupation of Arab land. Mega-mega US bases in Iraq are being turned into staging ground to sabotage the other countries in the North. After consolidating their position in Arab Lands; US is busy in securing their foot prints in energy rich Central Asia.
At this stage Iran happens to be a hard nut. To deal with Iran as well as another hard nut Pakistan; sitting with some 70 to 80 nuclear war heads in the kitty. It is quite perceivable that love bond Israel will be brought to alter for sacrifice. As I said at other place; the next 9/11 type; a self inflicting wound will be made to happen in Tel-Aviv (90% chances are predicted by Gurus) to generate a pretext and launch a full fledge attack to subjugate Iran and install there, a regime of US choice.
That is why the US along with other European beneficiaries are bent upon denying and restricting any technological advancement in defence arsenal by Iran or any other Arab country to avail a free run when ever it is decided to go in.
December 13, 2007 2:26 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 13, 2007 02:26
Reasonable not hateful @December 10, 2007 2:51 PM: A small clarification: The Jewish and Christian communities in Iran are guaranteed a minimum representation in the Iranian Parliament. I have always found that interesting.
By the way, have you noticed how much the Christian population in the Holy Lands has been reduced since the occupation began? I also find that interesting.
December 12, 2007 12:18 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 12, 2007 12:18
For all the author's statements, my observations are that:
1. Iran has not attacked anyone;
2. Those who were correct about Iraq are apparently correct about Iran;
3. Those who gave us the fiasco in Iraq, advocate that Iran has/wants/whatever nuclear weapons.
Israel invaded a neighbor last year, and killed thousands; we invade Iraq and killed hunreds of thousands.
Somehow, we need to clean OUR house first.
December 11, 2007 11:50 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 11, 2007 11:50
Since I can’t stand either of you; I think its best that Israel and Iran go to the mat and destroy each other. Do something useful with all those billions we have been funneling you. The religiously driven governments of both nations are silly and immature. Take Bush with you too please.
December 11, 2007 9:16 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 11, 2007 09:16
In reviewing the NPT it is interesting to see that no state has complied with Article VI
Article VI
Each of the Parties to the Treaty undertakes to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and on a treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control.
Then one should also look at Article IV
Article IV
1. Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with Articles I and II of this Treaty.
After reading both articles and seeing Bush's belligerent foreign policies, it is easy to see why many states would feel threatened by the America and feel the need to develop additional means of protection.
December 11, 2007 7:53 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 11, 2007 07:53
In reviewing the NPT it is interesting to see that no state has complied with Article VI
Article VI
Each of the Parties to the Treaty undertakes to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and on a treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control.
Then one should also look at Article IV
Article IV
1. Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with Articles I and II of this Treaty.
After reading both articles and seeing Bush's belligerent foreign policies, it is easy to see why many states would feel threatened by the America and feel the need to develop additional means of protection.
December 11, 2007 7:52 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 11, 2007 07:52
Gee, Israel is not a member of NPT and this Israeli is lecturing the rest of the world on how the NPT should be implemented. The "Safe Guards" is an amendment to the treaty and member nations can accept or reject any change to the original contract (i.e. treaty).
Second, it is fair to mention that Iran has been inspected more than any other NPT member of the last years and it is under constant online live monitoring with cameras, computer data, etc.
But again, Israalis are known to be serial liars, some sort of mirro image of Nazis.
December 11, 2007 3:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 11, 2007 03:06
The charge of lying and manipulation apply more aptly to the U.S. and Israel, both of which have nuclear weapons. There is no reason that Iran should not have nuclear for its self-defense....although it should be stated that more nations in possession of the nuclear the more dangerous world becomes.
December 10, 2007 11:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 23:02
Yeah, right. And I trust Israel as far as I can throw the Lincoln Monument.
December 10, 2007 10:59 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 22:59
Yes, of course Israel has had a nuclear capability for decades, as last-ditch insurance for her survival. What is the likelihood that Israeli nukes would ever be handed over to stateless terrorists, to be detonated in a city somewhere?
If Iran got nukes, what would keep them from handing a few over to their Hezbollah pals, glorifiers of the suicide bomb? All the recent NIE means is that the Iranians have been somewhat delayed in developing their uranium enrichment program, no more.
I don't believe that bombing Iran will be of any help, but it is urgent that we take this present breathing-space to make some diplomatic progress in nonproliferation. Otherwise, or perhaps in any case, we can look forward to a very unwelcome mushroom cloud. Reading the NIE as justification for going back to sleep is a very bad idea.
December 10, 2007 10:12 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 22:12
Trust, the man says?
Never trust a man who is unwilling to look you in the eye (without the Soprano shades need one add.)
Now for the Good News. Israel has announced that now is the time for all good Jews to return to Israel. The demographics require it you know.
Afterall the Jews have never had a home of their own and Israel is made to order. Go home and do your best to "multiply" faster than the remnants of the Arab population in Israel who failed to leave during the terror and ethnic cleansing action by terrorists such as Begin, Sharon, and therest of the honored founders of Israel.
Who says terrorism doesn't work? Just look at the job the Stern and other gangs did on innocent British Tommys on the way to driving the British out of the mandate.
Oh but that was a different situation: This land was given to the Israelis by God himself and if you don't believe this then you can just read the bible and there it is.
Oh yes an excellent brief for the Jews who make great legal counsel, especially when preparing a submission arguing their case.
But the new testamant is just fables and myths according to the Jews.
December 10, 2007 10:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 22:03
Trust, the man says?
Never trust a man who is unwilling to look you in the eye (without the Soprano shades need one add.)
Now for the Good News. Israel has announced that now is the time for all good Jews to return to Israel. The demographics require it you know.
Afterall the Jews have never had a home of their own and Israel is made to order. Go home and do your best to "multiply" faster than the remnants of the Arab population in Israel who failed to leave during the terror and ethnic cleansing action by terrorists such as Begin, Sharon, and therest of the honored founders of Israel.
Who says terrorism doesn't work? Just look at the job the Stern and other gangs did on innocent British Tommys on the way to driving the British out of the mandate.
Oh but that was a different situation: This land was given to the Israelis by God himself and if you don't believe this then you can just read the bible and there it is.
Oh yes an excellent brief for the Jews who make great legal counsel, especially when preparing a submission arguing their case.
But the new testamant is just fables and myths according to the Jews.
December 10, 2007 10:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 22:03
Trust, the man says?
Never trust a man who is unwilling to look you in the eye (without the Soprano shades need one add.)
Now for the Good News. Israel has announced that now is the time for all good Jews to return to Israel. The demographics require it you know.
Afterall the Jews have never had a home of their own and Israel is made to order. Go home and do your best to "multiply" faster than the remnants of the Arab population in Israel who failed to leave during the terror and ethnic cleansing action by terrorists such as Begin, Sharon, and therest of the honored founders of Israel.
Who says terrorism doesn't work? Just look at the job the Stern and other gangs did on innocent British Tommys on the way to driving the British out of the mandate.
Oh but that was a different situation: This land was given to the Israelis by God himself and if you don't believe this then you can just read the bible and there it is.
Oh yes an excellent brief for the Jews who make great legal counsel, especially when preparing a submission arguing their case.
But the new testamant is just fables and myths according to the Jews.
December 10, 2007 10:00 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 22:00
Trust, the man says?
Never trust a man who is unwilling to look you in the eye (without the Soprano shades need one add.)
Now for the Good News. Israel has announced that now is the time for all good Jews to return to Israel. The demographics require it you know.
Afterall the Jews have never had a home of their own and Israel is made to order. Go home and do your best to "multiply" faster than the remnants of the Arab population in Israel who failed to leave during the terror and ethnic cleansing action by terrorists such as Begin, Sharon, and therest of the honored founders of Israel.
Who says terrorism doesn't work? Just look at the job the Stern and other gangs did on innocent British Tommys on the way to driving the British out of the mandate.
Oh but that was a different situation: This land was given to the Israelis by God himself and if you don't believe this then you can just read the bible and there it is.
Oh yes an excellent brief for the Jews who make great legal counsel, especially when preparing a submission arguing their case.
But the new testamant is just fables and myths according to the Jews.
December 10, 2007 9:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 21:57
This Yossi Melman covers his face with big dark glasses. Is there something Yossi Melman want to hide? I can tell this Yossi Melman guy is a liar.
Yossi Melman lies about everything. He never tell the world about Israel's shameful apartheid and occupation of Palestine.
Israel lies to the world about its nuclear weapon program. Israel refuses to allow IAEA to inspect its nuclear program. Israel refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Who's the liar? Yossi Melman should just look at himself in the mirror.
December 10, 2007 9:41 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 21:41
I don't trust a liar, which is why I don't trust anyone in the Bush administration.
December 10, 2007 9:21 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 21:21
Yossi my friend, the world is changing, it is shifting, revolving, evolving and growing. Israel has signed very few treaties, speculation is abundanat that she does hold a nuclear weapon between her bosoms. We look about the same age, per the published photo of you with the dark glasses. Do you expect the world to percieve as you do, from black, blind lenses?
Yossi my friend, I am a survivor of the cold war, a holocaust prevented. The term was 'MAD', mutually assured destruction. Between Soviets and the west. If you launch a nuclear weapon in my direction, I will send 10 your way as a response, in the hope that @ least 1 will retaliate.
The dust is still settling from Hiroshima, Nagasaki...
Yossi my friend, you are MAD, playing a game of 'mutually assured destruction.'
December 10, 2007 9:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 21:09
Who can trust a guy that submits a picture of himself in sunglasses?
December 10, 2007 8:48 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 20:48
Who can trust a guy that submits a picture of himself in sunglasses?
December 10, 2007 8:47 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 20:47
The only thing truthful about this article is that You should't trust a compulsive Liar. You are 100% right and President Bush has proven that when it comes to lying, He's head and Shoulders above Anyone else. Not a single thing the Man has said turned out to be truthful. Now that takes real dedication.
December 10, 2007 8:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 20:24
The pot calling the kettle black!
There is no shame, my God!
Where is the limit! Is it any?
Have we lost all hope?
Talking of living in different worlds!!!
Stop the Iraq carnage, and this absurd, primitive and subhuman religious war, do that, before you open your shameless criminal lier big mouth!
This individual talks of signatory members, and of agreements with the International Agencies, and or reporting their things, and of allowed them to be inspected, and of having broken pledges in this regard, and of cheating for nearly "many" years, and of building secret sites, and of purchasing nuclear material, and of conducting tests in this and of enrichment of that, and of developing a warhead, and of "all without declaring it", and of whether can some be trusted, and of how can the world believe that a permanent liar has corrected his ways?
Isn't this a bizzaro world?
He is a member of Israel's intelligence, for God's sake!
Israel has been doing these since 1946, the least! Even since "before it existed"!
Israel has mooned United Nations, and all and every serious international agency since its inception, and as a matter of fact is methodically undermining Rice's efforts as we speak, to get Palestinians and Israelis to get an, some, AAAANY, accord together, and he is talking of "respecting accords"???!!@#$%$#@!% ^%$#@
We Americans lost 3,886 lives just to "raise Israel's sense of security", and this personage wants us to spend another 3,886 lives more attacking Iran, just to "raise" his friggin tranquility?
Are we sooooooooooo disposable ?
December 10, 2007 8:04 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 20:04
Hey, Yossi, what's with the shades? Was this picture taken outside with you looking into the sun? They make it look like you're trying to look tough, like a gangsta rapper or something.
December 10, 2007 7:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 19:05
OK, can we acknowledge that both Palestinians and Israelis have treated each other badly, and move on to the next question?
Israel developed its nuclear capabilities during an era when war with its allies was not infrequent and the US was not yet a committed ally.
Those conditions have changed. Israel demonstrated the superiority of its forces in conventional war, and it's neighbors know that the US will be backing Israel in case of hostilities.
Could Israel use its nukes if, say, Syria was dumb enough to attack? I think not, unless the life of millions was at stake. To break the nuclear stalemate with the first use of these weapons in war since 1945 would provoke a huge international backlash against Israel. The US might have to withdraw support.
What are Israel's current security concerns? Assymetric warfare and harrassment of the population by terrorists. Nukes have no pratical or symbolic value here.
A nuclear-free Mideast would have an immense pratical or symbolic value.
Iran's reasons for interest in nuclear weapons are, like Israel's, defensive. With Saddam gone and the majority faction(s) in Iraq more favorable, one threat is gone. If the US would swear off of regime change (as long as Iran doesn't launch any wars), the second threat would recede. I'm not aware of any great issues between Iran and Pakistan or India. If Israel would agree to disarm, there would be no reason for Iran to pursue nuclear weapons.
Of course, another issue remains - Hamas and Hezbollah. Israel will have to quit taking Palestinian land and houses and settle the outstanding issues if it wants to see the end of its security problems. The land was peaceful while there was hope for the Oslo process. Sharon deliberately provoked the second Intifada to build public support for his hard-line approach to the Palestinian problem. We might have had a much healthier situation if Rabin hadn't been assassinated.
There is hope for Israel, but a hard-line stance will not produce the fruit of peace. Compromise is vital.
December 10, 2007 7:00 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 19:00
"Don’t Trust a Liar!"
Did you write: "Don't trust a liar!"?...
That is undoubtedly the most amusing piece of advice that could have come out of Israel in 2007.
The fact that the author does not seem to realize that makes the whole thing even more amusing.
Trust a liar I don't; but thanks for the advice anyway. Most appreciated!
I am not sure you would be well advised to repeat that advice outside the US, though. Better give it a second thought, I think.
Don't trust a liar!... I just can't believe it...
December 10, 2007 6:40 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 18:40
The irony is surely lost on Yossi Melman. Israel actually has developed - and deployed for operational use - nuclear weapons. No Israeli nuclear site has ever been inspected. It is almost like a joke in bad taste to pretend that Iran is actually introducing nuclear devices into the Middle East.
December 10, 2007 6:22 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 18:22
Joe, you should educate yourself before so confidently commenting on issues you know nothing about. Then you may not have to retract those comments later and look foolish.
Only someone who uncritically accepts state propoganda could criticise Iran for their 'schemes for power in the mideast'. Maybe you dont know this but Iran is one of the largest countries in the Middle East, why shouldn't they exercise power in their region. You must be very unthinking not to notice the US destruction caused by it's "schemes for power in the mideast". What gives the US the right to travel thousands of miles to implement it's 'schemes for power in the mid east" - other than it's mighty military of course.
I suggest you go away and read some independent media and the abundent and excellent disident US writers before commenting further.
Rgds
December 10, 2007 6:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 18:15
Dear Mr. Melman,
Are Israel's nuclear programs inspected by the IAEA yet?
This is from 2004:
Transcript of the Director General´s Press Statement on IAEA Inspection in Iran, Libya & the Republic of Korea:
Q: Why is the IAEA conducting verification activities in Iran and not Israel?
A: It´s a question I have answered so many times – the Agency has a clear cut jurisdiction, a mandate. Our mandate is to verify nuclear programmes of countries that are party to the NPT. Iran is a party to the Non-Proliferation Treaty as well as another 184 non-nuclear weapons states. Some other countries like Israel, India, Pakistan as well as the five weapons states, are not party to, are not subject to our verification. India, Pakistan and Israel are not party to the NPT and while I would like, in the future, to see everyone subject to comprehensive verification, right now, the Agency have no jurisdiction or mandate to do such verification. So it is not a question of double standards, it is a question of mandate and jurisdiction that is entrusted by the international community to the Agency.
http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Transcripts/2004/transcr13092004.html
December 10, 2007 5:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 17:52
The argument would seem much better if the author did not make it in such an obviously biased tone.
December 10, 2007 5:43 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 17:43
The way I see it, Israel is reading the Americans the riot act. In this "almost" equal relationship, I wonder who finances and protects whom?
December 10, 2007 5:34 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 17:34
And Joe, please don't bring up isolated cases of stoning and SHUT like that.
Believe it or not, we have a leading presidential candidate here who not long ago advocated rounding up the homosexuals and AIDS victims and isolating them from society, calling them sinners.
Given a chance to change his position, that leading candidate said that he wouldn't change and stood by his earlier comments. That candidate is the surging and Ordained Minister himself, Mike Huckabee.
Now I wouldn't expect much from Ahmadinejad and his stupid comment that Iran doesn't have any homosexuals. But in our country, a christian who is biblically bound to Israel to make such a statement seems out of step with the rest of the country. I would hope that the world doesn't judge all Americans as Mike Huckabees who want to round up a segment of society and isolate them and label them as sinners.
December 10, 2007 5:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 17:15
We Americans must end Israel's apartheid and Israel's occupation of Palestine.
We Americans must force Israel to open its nuclear program to IAEA inspection and force Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
December 10, 2007 5:14 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 17:14
Israel wants war between the US and Iran. What else is new?
December 10, 2007 5:11 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 17:11
melman,
Why is your deadly and shameful silence on israel's nuclaer arseanl??
December 10, 2007 4:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 16:57
melman,
I see u don't mention,not once,the racist apartheid miltaristic jewish occupying theocracy-and absolutely nothing about its vulagar refusal to declare and sign with IAEA???
U have no shame whatsoever and besides being an idiot u are insulting the intelligence of the readers.
December 10, 2007 4:54 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 16:54
Joe, with all due respect, who is the one who comes across as the "arrogant windbag"?
I will let the readers decide. But I will tell you that I am no defender of this regime. It has perpetrated some terrible crimes during its 28 years of power. But almost exclusively those crimes have been committed against its own people, not its neighbors or region.
We look at history such as Stalingrad and call the defenders of that city heroic. Hitler invaded Russia and slaughtered everyone and everything in its way. To great sacrifice, the Russians turned the aggressors back. They call that war the The Patriotic War. Why? Because it was defending the motherland.
When a country or a people are attacked without provocation, and the world stands by to allow it, then anything goes to defend the motherland. The criminal mullahs sent some unwilling souls to their deaths in those battlefields, but a large number went due to patriotism, love of nation and fear of enemy. You have not heard of the atrocities committed by Saddam and his forces on civilians in the towns and villages he invaded. I am talking not only about WMD and executions, but rape of women and children.
Those mullahs should be cursed for weakening a once proud nation and its military to leave it so vulnerable. But one must be true to history and correctly state that the world allowed this to happen. Fact is that this war was the only occassion during the COLD WAR that the Soviet Union, US, Britian, France and China all backed the same side. Ironically, the only one who backed Iran and would sell it some parts was Israel.
It was Henry Kissinger that said it is a shame that both countries couldn't lose. Who is the barbarian here?
It was our navy who unprovoked shot down a civilian iranian airliner and killed innocent people, all in the name of defending the OIL tankers? Who is the terrorist by its true definition?
And no, Iranian proxies do not chop heads either. Again with the mis-information. Those are the Al-Qaeda and Sunni & Bathist insurgents who would just as soon chop iranian heads as they would US or Israeli. In fact they see Shi'ites as apostates and hold a special hatred towards them.
December 10, 2007 4:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 16:51
Yossi
Israel is far more dangerous than Iran ever could be. Israel has nuclear weapons but refuses to say so to the world. Is this to avoid inspectors in? You are a hypocrite. What kind of game are they playing is Tel Aviv. Quite frankly, I am growing tired of this Middle Eastern bully nation.
December 10, 2007 4:40 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 16:40
"First, all nations who are signatory members of the Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and have agreements with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), known as "Safeguards Agreements," have committed themselves to declare and report their nuclear sites and allowed them to be inspected by IAEA inspectors."
Except of course for Israel who has an illegal nuclear weapons program and no accountability to any nation or the world. Come on! This guy is a propagandist. That Iran shut down their weapons program is very good news. Sour grapes Israel didn't get the war they wanted...like they did in Iraq. That's good news for the world in and of itself.
If there was anything to be learbned from the NIE, it was that Bush willingly lies to his own people about the greatest threat on the planet...and gets away with it. No media, no branch of the government, no court will hold him accountable. Nobody is doing anything about the internal destruction of our democracy and its checks and balances. Look at Washington Post/Newsweek. They hire Karl Rove instead of playing their role as watchdog. This absence of accountability is a greater threat to our freedom than Iran will ever be.
December 10, 2007 4:32 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 16:32
If Israel is a "democracy," show me their constitution and bill of rights for religious minorities....Muslims AND Christians.
They don't have one....and treat non-Jews as second rate citizens.
Hitler would be proud of your accomplishments in creating a racially pure state...
December 10, 2007 4:22 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 16:22
To Robert,
You are correct that I listed a number of issues that involve many of the Arab nations and not Iran, this was more in response to the foolish knee-jerk responses to the post than to the original article.
I am shocked that you blow past the children's martyr brigades as if it were nothing. You almost make the Iranis sound heroic for such a vile and morally repugnant deed. You are correct, that white-washing such a thing does mean you deserve to be called a moron. Rather it makes you a defender of barbarism - and you have not thought through the implication...
People who can do that are not people who need to have atomic weapons. The whole point of deterrence is that the enemy values its own life and the lives of its people. MAD does not work with people that believe they get to sport with 72 virgins in heaven. This means that a Nuclear Irani state, run by the same Mullahs, is more likely to NOT be dettered by the threat of destruction.
You also blow past Irans president. He's just a nut.... So what? He doesn't count? You are correct that he does not hold power. You are correct that the Mullahs do and that he says nothing they do not approve of. Think about that... He says nothing they do not approve of.
You make Iran sound like a reasonable and peaceable place... Do you really deny their schemes for power in the mideast? Do you really deny their involvement in Lebanon of their control of Hamas and Hezzballah? You blow past that point by blaming Israel for Hamas... Who is it that funded Hamas and armed Hamas after they showed their true colors? We all know it was Iran.
You are nothing but an arrogant windbag. You are not a moron, but You do know just enough to be dangerous. Do you really believe that Iran is not a major player in the terro business? Do you really believe that they are not interested in ousting the Saudis? Do you really believe that the Right wing is just peachy over there?
As to the brutal theocracy and head chop videos. In point of fact, the Iranis do not tend to chop heads, their terrorist proxies do. In point of fact Iran is a wonderful place... I mean they have no gay people right? Homosexuality is still punishable by brutal public execution. And that really is a point. Lots of things are punishable by brutal public execution over there. Lots of stonings and hangings to be specific, and people take their kids to the show. Stoning is an audience participation event after all. Again, what is the implication. Someone who when to the stoning with daddy and helped kill someone brutally is not someone who has anything remotely approaching a civilised repect for life. This is another reason to not trust them with more military power.
As to the chimpanzees and revolvers analogy. I would apply the same analogy to Klansmen who wanted a bomb - and I would do it with good reason.
You sir are a useful idiot. If you are educated as you claim, you will know the reference.
December 10, 2007 4:12 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 16:12
Hi...punc again. I would suggest Mr. Yossi and all the other crazies on this board read the article by Nikos Konstandaras on this site, which is a much well thought out and balanced article on the subject. Mr. Yossi, you could learn and think of two about rational analysis from Mr. Nikos.
December 10, 2007 3:48 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 15:48
On the nuclear weapons issue, it is time to stop the selective debate on one country versus another. There are probably about 5 or 6 other countries currently with the "knowledge" to turn nuclear material into nuclear weapons. The data is probably available on the internet. I put the word "knowledge" in parenthesis because that now appears to be the latest gripe about the Iranians. I am sure at one stage in history long since past that nation A griped about nation B having the knowledge to turn out gunpowder. What we need to do is get over the issue about nuclear materials and come clean as regards the nations that currently possess same, nations that would like to and nations that would like to see the whole lot abolished. A new agreement needs to be hammered out committing all and sundry to a schedule for elimination and non creation of nuclear weapons.
Nations need to stop trying to foist their own agendas on top of everyone else and making scapegoats and blackguards out of nations they dislike. The nuclear weapons are too dangerous in the hands of nations, be they democratic or non democratic.
December 10, 2007 3:43 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 15:43
To REASONABLE NOT HATEFUL,
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I do not think these mullahs are pro-US. Nor am I saying that we should prefer them over Israel. Israel is the de-facto 51st state of this country and we should defend them.
I am stating facts that next to Israel, Iran is the most democratic government in the Middle East. You don't have to take my work for it. You can study and/or listen to experts such as David Gergen, Richard Haas, Pat Buchanan, etc. THis doesn't mean we should pick them over Israel. It was just disputing the mis-information that Joe was putting out for readers.
Regarding your comment "the people in Iran like us, but the mullahs do not, and THEY have the power through their military and secret police", you are correct. But remember what is now no longer in dispute, that these mullahs are pragmatists. Look at their critical assistance in toppling the Taliban. Also look at the memo they sent in 2003 to the Bush Administration to discuss and assist in various matters in the Middle East; including the Israeli Peace process. Don't take my word, listen to the key players (now ex-players) within this administration during those critical periods.
And lets not even talk about Ahmadinejad. He is a certified nut. But a nut with no real authority. In some ways, he is less dangerous than Bush. In fact in Iran, the people's response to Ahmadinejad is that the US has their messianic idiot and we have ours.
Please concentrate a little more when reading a post that really is not in opposition to what you are saying, rather than calling someone a MORON.
Isn't a moron someone with a short attention span or mental capacity?
December 10, 2007 3:33 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 15:33
Hi...this is Punc again. Be careful anonymous and Kase. both of you are two heart beats away from being accused as an anti-semite.
December 10, 2007 3:29 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 15:29
Don't trust a liar?
-Surely you mean Bush...
December 10, 2007 3:25 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 15:25
Why should the U.S. and Americans believe Israel now when they lied to us about Saddam and his WMD threat to Israel and the U.S.?
Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice shame on us!!!
P.S. U.S. and Israel's interests are neither congruent or even similar. Why did peace loving Israel launch a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and the U.S.S. Liberty? When will Israel admit the facts and come clean to the survivors of this baseless and wanton treachery by a presumed ally?
Why should Americans believe Israelis or Israel?
December 10, 2007 3:06 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 15:06
Hi...it's punc again. Israel knew very well that Saddam had no WMD, but worked hand in hand with Bush and Cheney to invade Iraq, which resulted in the deaths of 4000 of our boys and wasted $2 trillion that could have been used to pay for our children's health coverage. Israel is up to its evil tricks again and wants to repeat the same with Iran. We must guard vigilantly against this evil nation with its evil people, so our children are not killed for a false war again.
December 10, 2007 2:56 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 14:56
Robert-
You probably DESERVE to be called a Moron if you think that the "democracy" in Iran(a theocracy) is something that we should prefer over what the Israel's have. Jeez.
Also, the people in Iran like us, but the mullahs do not, and THEY have the power through their military and secret police.
Any country that has this nutjob Ahmadinejad , who makes comments about our ally Israel that they should be wiped off the face of the earth, that the Holocaust never happened- and that has the religious leaders really running the country- can't be a real flag carrier for the kind of government we can trust or even admire. Also, he sits there and critiques Israel for their attack on Lebanon, all the while financially and militarily supporting Hezbollah that lobbed missiles into Israel. Hiding among the civilians is what they do.
Sorry, I can't buy into your mistaken rhetoric that somehow they are to be more trusted than Israel.
December 10, 2007 2:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 14:51
No, Mr. Yossi...Iran did not lie about nuclear weapons. It was the NIE which is a U.S. government agency that said Iran stopped its nuclear program. So you're basically calling the U.S. a liar and pedophile nation because our honest hardworking intelligence service did not want to send more of our children to die for Israel. Did anyone notice that Israel is the only country in the world that was disappointed when the NIE published its report? You would think they would be jumping in joy because that means Iran would not be able to attack Israel. But Jews always prefer violence and perpetual war (Read history. The jews have never lived in peace). But they're sad because it removes a reason to bromb bombs on Tehran and kill some persians. Make no mistake...Israel equals perpetual war and violence.
December 10, 2007 2:50 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 14:50
Joe,
I'll accept that individual jihadists are not rational actors. But I don't think you can characterize the entirety of Iran's government, clergy, and military as one monolithic band of single purpose crazies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Schema_gvt_iran_en.png
December 10, 2007 2:39 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 14:39
Next Ground Zero - Te-Aviv
In the wake of NIE report that Iran has since abundant her ambitious nuclear plans; a notion has emerged that since military strike against Iran makes no sense; so it will not happen. This may be a wishful thinking and under mining the core reality of US ‘ideological driven policy objective’ of regime change in Tehran. We need to call our recent past, when such like debates were seen before, in the build-up to the invasion of Iraq. While the world was debating the issue of WMD; left unmentioned was the decade’s long policy of regime change in Iraq. The event of 9/11 put the regime change in fast track and today the end result is the occupation of Iraq. The WMD issue was simply a facilitator for the conflict’.
The same can be said of the situation facing the United States and Iran today. The nuclear and terror issues are simply vehicles for implementing a policy of regime change. Take away the nuclear issue and the policy remains. A new facilitator, such as terrorism, is then employed.’
The US Congress is continuous in support of the existing war powers resolutions passed in 2001 and 2002, and they have again tied their hands to Bush administration contentions by labelling the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as terror organisation. This tantamount to give Bush a full free hand; in case Bush initiate an attack against Iran.
Although N I E Report has dampen the intensity of war rhetoric for a while; but it may be the calm before the bigger storm.
This may be seen as rushing to some rash analysis, but it seems most likely (due to the compelling evidences of Bush’s administration past history) that soon we be going to have another 9/11 event! This time ground zero may not be some twin tower like targets in America but it will be (most probably a self inflicted 9/11 like wound surfacing) some where in Tel-Aviv-Israel.
Keeping in view the past US conduct and treatment of, her appointed proxies; it is not difficult to ascertain that Israel may find a change in US norms in respect of her being a staunch ally but now it’s this ally’s turn to be taken to the alter for the slaughter; (Another bad habit of US) to quell and silence for good, a first hand abettor of her Middle East Atrocious policy conductor. It is over due since long!
America uses its proxies like tissue paper. Israel services are since long over stretched and Israel must be tired of acting as a fore runner for US in Middle East.(Recent US effort of ditching of Musharraf comes to mind). Any how, Israel has indirectly enabled US to secure a good foot hold in Iraq; a most wanted US mega base in the Middle East is now in place.
9/11 like replay around Tel-Aviv will be the most appropriate scenario to hold Iran responsible and initiate attack against Iran. In the light of old rhetoric of Iran; of wiping off the Israel from world map; Israel may be the first to send aerial bombardment sorties to Iran nuclear and other military targets like Nataz, Bushehr,Arak, Shian and Esfahan. Followed by an all out US lead forces move to invade Iran to occupy and facilitate a regime change.
Next US mega bases in Iran may be in North of Tehran; over looking Caspian Sea; the most vantage locations to check and guard any possible Russian retaliatory moves from across Caspian Sea.
In this conflict the country to bear the brunt, the most may be Israel; starting with a loss of lives in the initial ‘ground zero action’; followed by the retaliatory action by Iran in response to Israel’s aerial bombardment as well as on ground moves. But Israel may not be able to bear the brunt. In recent Lebanon war, it was witnessed that even ill aimed, short range Hezbollah Kaytosha rockets sporadic and mild attacks were not a good experience for Israel in the north.
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Love for all, Hatred for none
December 10, 2007 2:34 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 14:34
To Butch Deadlift:
First what a "clever" name.
Second, the Russians don't believe that dying for Allah is a good thing. They don't believe that they get to sport with 72 virgins in heaven. MAD worked with the Russians because they don't believe in suicide. The Irani Mullahs are a little different.
December 10, 2007 2:31 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 14:31
We don't care about the iranians or the jews, just oil!
December 10, 2007 2:23 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 10, 2007 14:23
Now to answer the post from Joe. First I ask why you would resort to calling anyone who has a differing opinion of Israel a moron? It truly reflects the intolerance of someone who should know better.
1) Regarding Israel continuously getting attacked, since it's inception, while the other side has been doing the attacking, I would ask how many of those attacks were committed by an Iranian army?
2) Regarding Israel trying to make peace deals, while the other side responds with more bombs everytime a new peace deal seems possible. I would say that this also is not an Iranian issue. Israel's problems lie with the Arabs surrounding it.
3) Regarding your statement that Iranian backed Hamas just passed a law that making a peace deal with Israel is "treason", you should remind all the readers that Hamas was formed with the support and backing of Israel to counter Fatah. Hamas are a bunch of thugs who have filled a vaccuum vacated by a corrupt party who did not represent the palestenians. Additionally, Hamas is the equivalent of the Likud party in Israel. They are both very radical and out-of-the-norm. There are member of this party that want to liberate Samaria and other lands all the way eastward to modern day Iraq.
4) Regarding your comment that that Israel does not make headchop videos. Neither does Iran. Again, those are Sunni Arab insurgents and al-Qaeda.
5) Regarding your statement "You might notice that Israel has freedom of religion." So does Iran. It has the second largest jewish population in the middle east with full rights and representation in parliament. These mullahs can be criticized for a lot of things, but one must concede that freedom of religion is not high on that list. Christians, jews, zoroasterians, sunnis, and sufis enjoy freedom of religion.
6) Regarding your statement "You might notice that Israel is a Democracy and an ally of the United States." Believe it or not, Iran is the closest thing to a democr