Peace? No. Two reasons:

1) Israel was formed illegally (do you really want to get into that?).

No justice - no peace.

Justice is long beyond the pale.

Ergo, no peace - ever.

2) Nationalism.

So extraordinarily and tragically sad.

The heart of this horrible tragedy?

1) the immorality of the US and the UK governments with the support of their immoral, stupid, and ignorant christian citizens.

Why didn't they take in the Hebrews?

Any moron would have seen this coming - would have known that they were mid-wife to a slaughter.

The footnote will read: "Truman trying to cash Balfour's check with the blood of Palestinians and Hebrews alike".

ZUNI says:

Rick : My last comment is still under review, so in the meantime I say you still have not dealt with the issue. You are cutting and pasting. Again I state there is nothing "illegal or immoral " about the Balfour declaration nor Jewish immigration.What the Irgun has to with anything is a mystry to me. You are not using original thought and brain processes. You are copying Anti-Israeli diatribes you can find anywhere on the web. Rick, I bid you adieu until we meet again. Shaloem !
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RICK says:

Zuni,

There is little need for ‘original thought and brain processes’ in this friendly discussion. The record is clear.

The Balfour Declaration essentially took Palestine away from the Palestinians and gave it to the Jews. This was illegal and immoral of course, because Palestine was not Britain’s to give. It belonged, and still belongs, to the Palestinians who tended their herds and orchards, and farmed the land for millennia.
The relevance of the Irgun is that this was one of the more vicious terrorist groups, under the leadership of Menachem Begin, who drove the Palestinians from their land and the British from the country.

Shalom.

ZUNI says:

Rick : Your wrong !

Rick says:

So back to the question:

The question is: Should we negotiate with terrorists?

The answer is it depends. For the case of the South Koreans, who had no business in Afghanistan in the first place, and had a chance to save a dozen or so of its captured citizens; the answer was yes. And they did negotiate and saved their peoples lives.

For the case of the British, who were being terrorized by Menachem Begin’s Irgun, history has shown that the answer should have been no. Because the British caved in to the terrorists demands, we have had 60 years of uninterrupted war and terror in the so called ‘Holy Land’. Countless thousands of innocents (women and children) have been slaughtered, and millions of families have been driven into refugee camps in neighboring countries.

In today’s Washington Post we see that the Israelis are threatening to cut off the Gaza strip’s fuel and electricity. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/19/AR2007091901156.html

From another thread:

RICK:

Zuni,
You say: ‘There never was a legitimate state of Palestine.’

I say: True, but following WWI, there was a British Mandate of Palestine that included Palestine and Transjordan, in which Palestine occupied the region now occupied by the illegitimate ‘State of Israel’, the West Bank and Gaza.
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You say: ‘What in the hell is illegal and immoral about the Balfour declaration and Jewish, nee Zionist immigration?

I say: From Wikipedia ‘The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated November 2, 1917) was a classified formal statement of policy by the British government on the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of the World War I.

The letter stated the position, agreed at a British Cabinet meeting on October 31, 1917, that the British government supported Zionist plans for a Jewish "national home" in Palestine, with the condition that nothing should be done which might prejudice the rights of existing communities there. (In jurisprudence and law, a right is the legal or moral entitlement to do or refrain from doing something or to obtain or refrain from obtaining an action, thing or recognition in civil society.)’

So the result was the forceful injection by the Crusaders, of the Zionist Jews, who had been expelled from the region 2000 years ago; they could not coexist in peace with the native population. They had invaded and occupied this region following their great escape from slavery in Egypt; they had a Holier than Thou attitude, and claimed to be God’s chosen people.

Who would have thought that such a Zionist immigration could ever satisfy: ‘the condition that nothing should be done which might prejudice the rights of existing communities’ of Palestine?

The British soon recognized the folly of this policy and attempted to halt the Zionist immigration. They were attacked by a group named Irgun (some call it Etzel), established by the Right-Wing of the Zionist Movement in Palestine and the violent wing of the Zionist movement. The most well-known of these attacks was the King David Hotel bombing which occurred on July 22, 1946. This was a well-planned act engineered by the Irgun's Leader and future Prime Minster, Menachem Begin.

So the Balfour Declaration, and resulting Zionist immigration, was a terrible mistake. The British tried and failed to reverse this terrible decision.

Repercussions of this heinous crime are behind all turmoil and bloodshed in the Middle East including Iraq, Lebanon, Palestinian occupied territories, Syria, Iran etc.

The whole world will never see peace as long as the crime of the 20th century is not corrected.

What can be done?

I would put it to you that action should be first taken by those most able to take it with the least amount of cost; in other words, Israel and the US.

As the entire world has indicated in numerous UN votes on the matter, there should be an international, (possibly largely arab) peace keeping force sent into the west bank and East Jerusalem. They should work with the IDF to remove EVERY settler in those areas, in that the settlements are morally indefensible and are the major catalyst of terror not only in Israel but the world over (even Bill clinton has refered to them as the "philosphical underpinning of Middle Eastern terrorist recruitment")

After the settlers are removed, the security wall should be torn down and rebuilt on the the green line only, if at all.

The IDF should then withdraw and the international force would remain until a stable Palestinian state and security force could be created. This would drastically reduce efforts by both Israeli, Palestinian, and other forces from scuttling the process and forcing the IDF back into the territory.

It would minimize attacks on Israel.

It would allow Israel and the US to finally regain some of the Moral highground in the eyes of many in the middle east and arond the world.

It would reduce the possibility of further 9/11 like attacks on the US, in that there is a very high consensus amoung the CIA and other world intelligence agencies (including the Iraq study group) that our support of the settlemet program (by funding it all these years) played a significant role in inspiring the support of terrorism that led to 9/11.

The settlers are the ral problem here. Their expasion has been constant over the last 40 years, regardless of what promises of treaties have been made. They could care less whether more Israelis, Palestinians, or US citizens die as the result of their actions, as long as their fanatical expansionist and racist objectives are met. Even the majority of the Isreali people wnat to see the settlements gone, in that the very charter of the Kadima party is based upon this premise.

They are sick of seeing all of the money spent on a morally disgusting practice that stains the integrity of the entire nation, while also having to send their children to stand in circle around a group of religious fanatics and ultranationalists whose actions they do not support.

Remove all the settlements first. every one. There is not a single reason to allow them to exist even another day.

they day they are removed will be the begining of the end of the war on terror and the begining of an era of peace and security for both Isreal and the US, not to Mention Palestine.

http://geology.com/world/israel-satellite-image.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1947PartitionPlan.PNG

The 1947 UN Partition Resolution :

The 33 countries that voted in favour of the partition, as set by UN resolution 181: Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian SSR, Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, South Africa, Ukrainian SSR, United States of America, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Uruguay, Venezuela.

The 13 countries that voted against UN Resolution 181: Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

The ten countries that abstained: Argentina, Chile, Republic of China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia.

One state (Thailand) was absent.

Afghanistan, Cuba, Greece, India aren't Arab states, without mentioning the 10 countries that abstained. Thus the modern birth of the state of Israel is controversial in the first place. Look at the map of Israel from 1947 and its current map. Considering Israelis has systematically expand itself by force, money and influence from the USA. It's hardly a surprise that the Palestinian has chosen the final resort to arm to demand their right to exist.

The Israelis forget that the land they're living in is Jewish as well as Arabic. And it's been 2000 years Arabic. If the world returns to the map of 2000 years ago, well, even the right to exist of the USA, its most powerful ally is in question.

The Palestinian people will never accept a state led by the collaborator Abas, who is quite happy to live under the rule of the occupying forces of the Israelis and the US.

His meeting with other Arab leaders from the region in Sharm el-Sheikh next Monday highlights the eagerness of these "leaders" to undercut the Islamic political movements represented by Hamas and Hezbollah, and are soon to appear in their own countries with the backing of their citizens of the Arab Street.

Yossi Melman should know better. But in order to appear fair he puts blame on all sides. This is poor judgment.
There is no reason to blame the Americans. They could not and cannot impose a solution if one side simply does not want peace, and will not accept the other's presence in the area.
Secondly, the blaming of 'settlers'. Melman knows that the areas of Judea and Samaria which were controlled by Jordan from 1948 to 1967 were not part of any previous Palestinian Arab state. This common error is echoed by some of the more hate -filled commenters on this site. Melman also knows that area is the heartland of ancient Israel, and Jews have more claim to it historically than they do to the coastal plain. In any case the whole exercise in equal blaming is a piece of P.C. work.
The truth is that five times historically the Arabs were offered partition and mutual recognition from the Jews. And they have refused and continue to refuse.
The truth is the Jews speak on and think about peace, and the Arabs about conquest, war , jihad, Dar- al - Islam . And this is the essence of the story now just as it has been even before 'Hamas' carried this to its logical extreme.

As Usual, Yosi, you attract no small share of the traditional Israel bashers and closet anti-Semites. A couple comments though: 1) Gaza may not be physically occupied, but neither is it independent. Perhaps it would be best for Israel to totally withdraw from the Gaza-Egypt border. As for the Israel-Gaza border, Israel isn't obligated to allow natioanls from an enemy state (and Gaza qualifies as such) to cross her borders. 2) Frustrating to see that you ignore the Israeli's Left"s responsibility for the situation. After all, who is responsible for the importation of armed terrorist elements into Gaza if not the Israeli Left. The "solution" that was adopted in the Oslo agreements have only brought grief to both Jews and Arabs alike. Borders have been closed, Arab workers have lost their jobs in Israeli factories and human rights have only suffered. Perhaps you should change your eye glasses.

As Usual, Yosi, you attract no small share of the traditional Israel bashers and closet anti-Semites. A couple comments though: 1) Gaza may not be physically occupied, but neither is it independent. Perhaps it would be best for Israel to totally withdraw from the Gaza-Egypt border. As for the Israel-Gaza border, Israel isn't obligated to allow natioanls from an enemy state (and Gaza qualifies as such) to cross her borders. 2) Frustrating to see that you ignore the Israeli's Left"s responsibility for the situation. After all, who is responsible for the importation of armed terrorist elements into Gaza if not the Israeli Left. The "solution" that was adopted in the Oslo agreements have only brought grief to both Jews and Arabs alike. Borders have been closed, Arab workers have lost their jobs in Israeli factories and human rights have only suffered. Perhaps you should change your eye glasses.

As Usual, Yosi, you attract no small share of the traditional Israel bashers and closet anti-Semites. A couple comments though: 1) Gaza may not be physically occupied, but neither is it independent. Perhaps it would be best for Israel to totally withdraw from the Gaza-Egypt border. As for the Israel-Gaza border, Israel isn't obligated to allow natioanls from an enemy state (and Gaza qualifies as such) to cross her borders. 2) Frustrating to see that you ignore the Israeli's Left"s responsibility for the situation. After all, who is responsible for the importation of armed terrorist elements into Gaza if not the Israeli Left. The "solution" that was adopted in the Oslo agreements have only brought grief to both Jews and Arabs alike. Borders have been closed, Arab workers have lost their jobs in Israeli factories and human rights have only suffered. Perhaps you should change your eye glasses.

As Usual, Yosi, you attract no small share of the traditional Israel bashers and closet anti-Semites. A couple comments though: 1) Gaza may not be physically occupied, but neither is it independent. Perhaps it would be best for Israel to totally withdraw from the Gaza-Egypt border. As for the Israel-Gaza border, Israel isn't obligated to allow natioanls from an enemy state (and Gaza qualifies as such) to cross her borders. 2) Frustrating to see that you ignore the Israeli's Left"s responsibility for the situation. After all, who is responsible for the importation of armed terrorist elements into Gaza if not the Israeli Left. The "solution" that was adopted in the Oslo agreements have only brought grief to both Jews and Arabs alike. Borders have been closed, Arab workers have lost their jobs in Israeli factories and human rights have only suffered. Perhaps you should change your eye glasses.

As Usual, Yosi, you attract no small share of the traditional Israel bashers and closet anti-Semites. A couple comments though: 1) Gaza may not be physically occupied, but neither is it independent. Perhaps it would be best for Israel to totally withdraw from the Gaza-Egypt border. As for the Israel-Gaza border, Israel isn't obligated to allow natioanls from an enemy state (and Gaza qualifies as such) to cross her borders. 2) Frustrating to see that you ignore the Israeli's Left"s responsibility for the situation. After all, who is responsible for the importation of armed terrorist elements into Gaza if not the Israeli Left. The "solution" that was adopted in the Oslo agreements have only brought grief to both Jews and Arabs alike. Borders have been closed, Arab workers have lost their jobs in Israeli factories and human rights have only suffered. Perhaps you should change your eye glasses.

The US "lacked the will" to impose peace on both sides? Why is this US responsibility? Both sides are stubborn and hateful - we already have one religious civil war to referee . America is not a colony of Isreal contrary to the belief of many there and here in the US.

The occupation has not made Israel safer and it has only inflamed the passions of the Palestinians and the Arab world. Before the Hamas victory in elections, Israel had ample opportunity to negotiate with the moderate Palestinians, but instead chose to stonewall the process and continue to build settlements, settlements that violate the letter and the spirit of the peace process. However, due to their lobbying efforts and media domination they have been able to present the occupation as being humane and in the best interest of the Palestinians. The Palestinians are too barbaric to be able to govern themselves and require the benevolent assistance of the Israelis to save them from themselves. This picture will again be played out in the main stream press as the violence intensifies.

Of course throughout this process what won’t be discussed are the efforts of the Israelis and the US to destabilize the Palestinians and to keep them splintered so they cannot mount an effective defense against the media savvy Israelis. Thus allowing them to present the Palestinians as uncivilized and therefore unworthy of having a place at the bargaining table. This has allowed the Israelis to continue to fortify their positions and settlements in the occupied territory. The Israelis and the US will disavow any complicity in the violence that is now taking place in Gaza, not accepting that this violence is in direct response to the fact that the lawfully elected government is being kept from governing by the interference of Washington and Tele Aviv.

False history gets made all day, any day,
the truth of the new is never on the news - Adrienne Rich

http://thedisputedtruth.blogspot.com/

This predicament demonstrates how difficult it can be to correct an initial mistake. It's hard to believe this began just 90 years ago.

Beginning with the Balfour Declaration of 1917: "His Majesty would view with favor the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Said homeland not to interfere with the rights of the Palestinian people....". Right.

Then in 1947, Truman was forced to go along with the partition of Palestine by the pressure of an election. He was being killed in the polls by Dewey and public opinion, which did not want to go along with Harry's preferred approach of accepting 500,000 Jewish immigrants into the U.S.

In hindsight, would that he had stuck to his guns. The buck should have stopped there.

At this point, the only solution is to go back to the pre-1947 map of Palestine and divide it evenly into to equal states. The alternative is to wait for Iran to develop The Bomb and put the Israelis out of their misery.

A two state solution is just not possible or viable! Gaza can not exist alone; it must be integrated with Israel or a single state for all of palestine; it is just not true that Israel is not occuping Gaza! It is true that Israel has removed its troops and its citizens; but it retains iron control of borders, does targeted killings, obviously has many agents, steals the tax revenues, etc.; there is no viable way for this land to exist; it is essentailly one hugh concentration camp, a result you would think the Jews would look upon with horror!

The Jews do not want to leave Jerusalem, but by international law and UN mandates, Israel must return to at least 1967 borders if not the 1948 boundaries. The best solution for this legal and moral mess is to create a unified single state in Palestine; secular but with guarenteed freedom to practice ones religion and visit without political restriction ones relgious holy sites.

Obviously, the new state must be demilitarized and policed in a nuetral unbiased manner. The best way to accomplish this is to relocate all UN facilities from the US and Europe to the new state; use blue helemeted police for 7-10 years; remove and destroy all weapons, from AK47 to attack bombers.

Then create a new unified police force during the 7-10 year transition that reflects the whole population; training in integrated units; with minimal weapons.

Every nation, especially the local neighbors must give whole-hearted complete support to the new state; providing aide and assistence to returning Palestinians to have resonable economic opportunity.

Every citizen below the age of 25 should be provided free educational opportunities to complete their training as best they can. This support has got to include integrated, subsidized living dorms with support and action to promote the integration of the various peoples of the new state.

The world can not tolerate this situation in Palestine; no peace is possible in the region or the world without a just and practical resolution of this mess. Palestinians must not bear the cost of the guilt of the Europeans for the Nazi failures, nor can Zionist aspirations be used to justify cruel and immoral actions to realize some hoary relgious scheme; and for sure, domestic American politics can not justify blind obesiance tio the Zionist forces of the Jewish comuunities, rather American policies must consider the greater good of America, the world and all peoples of the ME.

Excellent analysis by Yossi Melman -- though blaming the Clinton adminstration is perhaps a bit unfair: even if the US back then had been willing to "impose" a solution, how could that have been accomplished? And we would then have had to deal forever with another grievance in the region -- a Palestinian state "imposed" by the West...

It is interesting that quite a few international commentators already bemoan the West's "meddling", i.e. the support now forthcoming for Abbas -- many warn that this will "discredit" him and the "moderates" in the eyes of the Palestinian people. Ironically enough, the complaint before was that the lack of Western support and Israeli concessions undermined the credibility of Abbas and the so-called moderates -- as they say: damned if you do, damned if you don't...

But, regarding Melman's pessimistic conclusion that all we should expect is "more of the same" -- to be sure, quite a few of the "realists" say that, but, as somebody living in the region I have to wonder how much "more of the same" we all can really take here...

Personally, I tend to take the "silver-lining" approach in this case: something good can still come of this mess if there is quick progress in the Westbank allowing Palestinians to see concrete improvements and have a perspective; I was indeed encouraged by the fact that Abbas chose Salam Fayyad as the replacement for Hanyieh, and that Fayyad accepted, which I think he wouldn't have done if he felt that there was no chance to get things moving in a constructive way.

Yosi Melman says the International Community should 'force [Hamas] to agree to [the two-state solution]'. 'Force' means military power. What he means, I suppose, is that American military power should be used to sock it to the Palestinians because the Israelis aren't strong enough to do it. Who else could he possibly mean? America is already in knee-deep from Somalia to Pakistan in a war to save Israel, and we're sinking fast. All we've done is to create the world's second most failed state in Iraq (See today's WaPo). It's not a war the U.S. can win -and nor should it. It's time to cut Israel off, and call on the good graces of Turkey and Iran to try to end the carnage we've started.

This column started out reasonably enough, but then when it got to blaming Hamas, a reasonable enough thing to do, it turned to the bizarre claim that western colonialism can't be blamed because Israel ended its occupation.

Can one imagine jews living under the caged conditions in Gaza, unable to move people or goods across borders because a foreign country controls those borders, and having someone claim that the jews are responsible for their situation because now they are free. Such a person would correctly be recognized as an anti-semite. Human beings living under those conditions may be under less onerous occupation than before, but at the point that a foreign country controls ones exterior borders, it is meaningless to find significance in the claim that occupation has ended.

We need a word that means "views about Palestians which would be anti-semitic if held about jews."

The rest of the post is reasonable enough. But this idea that Gaza is now free is just bizarre.

The real source of this problem is that the Western powers bought into the myth that Arafat created of a Palestinian people and a future Palestinian state. The reality is that there has never been either.

The first step to resolving this problem is face reality and have the US and Europeans admit that there can never be a two-state (or three state) solution, as there can never be a Palestinian state, specially made up of two ministates that are not territorially connected. This will put an end to futile attempts to create a state out of clans, families, and factions that have no national identity, and lack the skill, will ,and territory to be successful economically or politically.

What I expect to happen is that Egypt, with Israel and the West's agreement, will take over the failed mini-state of Gaza to prevent the spread of Hams and Moslem-Brotherhood terror into Northern Sinai.

Then Jordan will take back the 95% of the West Bank that Israel does not occupy, to the relief of the inhabitants, putting an end to that failed ministate, and, if they have the sense to provide them with Jordanian citizenship, unlike the situation in Lebanon, there may be a relatively successful and stable Jordan.

It is saying of a wise man that "Donot call me killer as i have repented after killing millions"This is the case of state of israel.After killing millions of Arabs and dispalcing the palestinian from their homeland from boulford declaration to oslo now they became civilised and giving a moral lesson to the people of palestine who captivated in concentration camp to follow the morality of world.if Israel and west really so good then without delay accept the palestine state.leave all the territory of post 1967 war,allow the palestinian refugee to return their home,partition of yaruselam into two and have a treaty with all arab state for non aggression.can israel do that?
you talk about the peace if you were really commited to peace then you msut work with palestianian elected people.if your people choose your leader who talk about extention of israel in lebnan stiil that is democarcy and when palestinaian people elect then you call terrorist.is this justice?
Any person of the world know that there is no match of israel in military power in the middle east.and if israel talk about petty force of hanas then it is nothing buta big joke.israel always led the fundamentalist to progess so israel have a cause to derail the peace process by launching attack on this petty group in the name of terrorism and violence.No one question about the root cause pf ciolence that why these people took arm?from the last fifty years the young of palestine lliving in violence and this violence giving then a violent mentality .can we accept that they will have pateince like the people of isreal who got every thing.
As far Mr Arafat is concerned tell me honestly was he in position to get a state of palestine?was he occupied the land of palestine or israel?how he could do for palestien state?the oslo agreement that he signed with israel and what he got in 15 years?nothing but poision to facilaite the coming of west minded abbas. the oslo agreement that was a blunder gave nothing but origin of division of palestine movement into pro oslo and anti oslo.other hand israel got recognition and irrelevancy of all UNO resolution.Now israel just side all the UNo resolutuion in the name of oslo by making it bylateral issue.
the presumption of inabailty of world coomunity maing arrogant power to impose his will on other nation.all nation know very well that there is no internatioanl opinion and UNO force.if this would then israel would be under UNO sanction by not obeying UNO like IrAq and iRan.Anerica would be under economic sanction On the question of Iraq.if international opinion would so strong then certainly all nation will question if israel have nuclear weapon right then why not iran have just electrical producing right?if there would be justice then why not a nuclear free middle east?
one thing is clear from the hsitory that might is right is phiosophy of rule.the power kick and poor abuse.but blaim always goes to poor. so this is the case with poor palestianian.

It is saying of a wise man that "Donot call me killer as i have repented after killing millions"This is the case of state of israel.After killing millions of Arabs and dispalcing the palestinian from their homeland from boulford declaration to oslo now they became civilised and giving a moral lesson to the people of palestine who captivated in concentration camp to follow the morality of world.if Israel and west really so good then without delay accept the palestine state.leave all the territory of post 1967 war,allow the palestinian refugee to return their home,partition of yaruselam into two and have a treaty with all arab state for non aggression.can israel do that?
you talk about the peace if you were really commited to peace then you msut work with palestianian elected people.if your people choose your leader who talk about extention of israel in lebnan stiil that is democarcy and when palestinaian people elect then you call terrorist.is this justice?
Any person of the world know that there is no match of israel in the niddle east.and if israel talk about petty force of hanas then it is nothing buta big joke.israel always led the fundamentalist to progess so israel have a cause to derail the peace process by launching attack on this petty group in the name of terrorism and violence.No one question about the root cause pf ciolence that why these people took arm?from the last fifty years the young of palestine lliving in violence and this violence giving then a violent mentality .can we accept that they will have pateince like the people of isreal who got every thing.
As far Mr Arafat is concerned tell me honestly was he in position to get a state of palestine?was he occupied the land of palestine or israel?how he could do for palestien state?the oslo agreement that he signed with israel and what he got in 15 years?nothing but poision to facilaite the coming of west minded abbas. the oslo agreement that was a blunder gave nothing but origin of division of palestine movement into pro oslo and anti oslo.other hand israel got recognition and irrelevancy of all UNO resolution.Now israel just side all the UNo resolutuion in the name of oslo by making it bylateral issue.
the presumption of inabailty of world coomunity maing arrogant power to impose his will on other nation.all nation know very well that there is no internatioanl opinion and UNO force.if this would then israel would be under UNO sanction by not obeying UNO like IrAq and iRan.Anerica would be under economic sanction On the question of Iraq.if international opinion would so strong then certainly all nation will question if israel have nuclear weapon right then why not iran have just electrical producing right?if there would be justice then why not a nuclear free middle east?
one thing is clear from the hsitory that might is right is phiosophy of rule.the power kick and poor abuse.but blaim always goes to poor.

Yossi:

Nice post. I suppose the three-state solution is the likeliest and probably the best for the near term. And in the long term - as you say, "more of the same".

I predict that Hamas will fume and stew behind closed borders for some time, living off skimming international food aid until such time as they manage to pull off a really spectacular raid of some sort. Then everyone will scream about how the poor innocent souls were driven to do it by the unoccupation and the closed borders. Nobody will say anything about the closed Egyptian border. Then the Israelis will be forced to take military action and reoccupy Gaza. Then they'll assist the Fatah government of East Palestine to take over Gaza and they'll pull out again. Then Fatah will go back to running the place in a slip-shod and corrupt fashion and Hamas Two will slowly creep back to power, evict them, and we'll do it over again.

The whole world will never see peace as long as the crime of the 20th century is not handled adequately.A legitimate country was removed from the world map to be replaced BY an illegitimate country with new immigrants from all over the world.Palestinians,being moslems or christians,were kicked out into refugee camps to be replaced by jews from Europe,Russia,Ethiopia etc.
Repercussions of this heinous crime are behind all turmoil and bloodshed in the Middle East including Iraq,Lebanon,Palestinian occupied territories,Syria,Iran etc.
The unending support of US to Israel is encouraging the latter to reject all UN resolutions on the Palestinian Issue including Resolution 194 which calls for the return of all Palestinian refugees home.It is time for the US admin to wake up to the real cause of all problems in the area and to change its foreingn policy categorically

It is a sad situation that both Israelis and Palestinians have been fighting and killing each other for more than 60 years now and unfortunately, no light could be seen at the end of this dark tunnel.
The geography and demography of the area that extends between River Jordan and the Mediterranean indicate the complexity of the current situation. Every party is trying hard to grab by mere force what is in the hand of the other. Many wars have been staged and thousands of innocent lives have been shed for this purpose.
Nowadays, almost everybody is talking about setting up two countries for both Israelis and Palestinians. This simply means that the land of historical Palestine will be divided between the two parties, Israelis and Palestinians.
I doubt very much that either party will be satisfied with his share of the cake. There are chronic problems like Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, borders, water resources that nobody on earth can sort out to the satisfaction of both parties.
The short vision of setting up two separate states could sow the seeds for more bloody conflicts in the future. Nobody can guarantee or secure permanent and lasting peace under this proposition.
A far better viable solution that should satisfy both parties and put an end to all complicated issues is available. It is the establishment of one country for all on the whole territory of historical Palestine that includes the West Bank and Gaza besides Israel. Jerusalem will remain united for both parties, settlements could remain where they are now provided an appropriate compensation is made to the original land owners, natural geographical borders are already in place for the whole country and the issue of refugees could be settled by allowing refugees to return home and to be compensated for the 60 years of misery they had to live in refugee camps. All citizens of the new state, PALISRA (Palestine +Israel), would enjoy equal rights and bear the same responsibilities.
The newly established state, PALISRA will emerge as a prosperous and safe country within a very short period of time, and citizens of this state will learn how to respect and even cherish each other. PALIRA will become a key player and an integral part of the Middle East as yesterday's enemies will become today's friends and allies for ever.

FATAH: They have revolving door, no question asked, access to All Arab States. Thay are the facilitator's or rather "The Smugglers & Black Marketeer's" who vie with "International/Regional Religious & non-religious Mafiaosa's" via the "Arab Underground."

I know, I'm a retired "International Smuggler". And that world is only seeing this "Revelation" Now [Opposite of Secret] a/k/a Arab Apocalypse. so to Speaketh. SO;

Fatah supply's the Ammo, AK-47's, "Hashish, Opium & More, to the "Radical (Islamic) Community's or people like "Hebollah (Iran helps), Hamas& Salafist's (Saudi, Libia, Morocco, etc.. et al.

I say Israel Should Make a "Parking Lot" out of Gaza & Push Them 1.5 Million folk into the Sea or let them roam the "Sinai Desert" [like Moses et al did in the "Passover Line" story's] for 40 years or 400. And;

Of course, The Solution to all this infighting pollution is Evolution. But Revolution is an option to. But TIME over Rules ALL. For Better of for worse.

P.S. Israel should Occupy Gaza & have SERIA give half of the "Golan Heights" [Fertile Milk & hgoney Land] for exchande & for Perpetual Peace like with Jordan {note; in 5 years Joredan is going to be Majority "Cannin" [Palistinians] anyways} and Egypt. And;

What the World really Needs now is the creation of the U.N. Mandated "One-Universal-Religion-System" BOOK! And "OURS-BOOK" for All Humates {Citizenz Of Space-Ship momma/Poppa Earth & Beyond} To Uphold & Make Honorable as their "Humanity Doctrine" (a/k/a MANNA from Heaven, that is Prophecied US-ALL in OURS Humanity's Five Major religious Books), for "GLOBAL PEACE & HEALING of NATIONS & More TOVE stuff!

Throw Down All your Pre-Apocalyptic religious Books that are thee genuine "Weapons Of Mass Destruction", a/k/a WMD. These weapons, like Guns are O.K., but IT's the "Selfish Jealousy People" who pull & skew their Un-Holy Books for pre-text to accumulate Material Wealth & Start "PROXY-WARS" and persue "Blame-Game" tactics & more Evilkizing Behaviours.

VOTE For "The BOOK Of O.U.R.S." via the "World Faith-Exchange" Body or Assrembly, therein and thereof of the U.N..

Good Luck dealing with "Religious International Mafia Capitalism! Hint: This is why they LOVE-ANARCHY & hate "Secularism" or calling out "Zionisim" as pretext to cover-up the truth of I reveal Today or have tried to explain on sever Blogg Spot's. See: "onfaith" or "onreligion" herein.

Sholom & Wa Asaalam Walaikem.!

Praise LORD/Eclat+"i"! Ya Ya.