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A Cause for Alarm

So you think it's ludicrous to assume that the United States is more dangerous than Iran? Well, think again. And listen to some readers of DIE ZEIT, the German weekly that I work for.

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Uncle Sam:

The US is only trying to make the world a better place to sleep at night. Sure, tampering with other people's governments isn't going to settle people right away, but in the long-term it's another story. The US contributed so much to NATO and other international alliances (like the EU) and it will continue for years to come. If the US left international alliances, I bet the country's population is going to beg for the US to send aid. So don't trash talk or you'll be yelling for help. (look at Iran)

autor@brigitte-klump.eu:

Sehr geehrter Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff, von Ruth Vieweg (ZEIT) habe ich erfahren, dass Sie im Besitz der Rechte am Report KIRCHENGESCHÄFT B
sind, Zeit-Dossier Heft 36/1992.Ich würde dieses Dossier gern im Anhang meiner Trilogie( Band III, Die Kobaltschrift,) veröffentlichen. Sie beleuchten darin Probleme, die ich als langjähriger privater Beschwerdeführer bei den Vereinten Nationen mit eigener Methode 1503 hautnah und im detail erlebt habe. Darf ich um Abdruckgenehmigung ersuchen?
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Ex-Atlanticist:

Mr. Kleine-Brockhoff ably states a view which I have seen growing in Germany for a decade or more now. He and his publication have been one of the architects of this worldview and they are to be congratulated for realising their aim - changing the relationship between the US and Germany from one of friends and allies into an adversarial thing.

Germany no longer needs US protection - that much is clear. The US should withdraw from NATO (either overtly or in the German sense of formally remaining in a hollow 'alliance' but committing no significant resources to it.

The events of the past decade have a clear meaning; Germany & Germans feels no obligation to the US and americans. The reverse should becomes the policy of the US government.

TM Lutas:

I'm overwhelmed by the offensiveness and bigotry in this thread so let me just address the original article and leave the comment policing to others.

1. The only German support for US action in the Mediterranean zone is on the territory of former Yugoslavia (unless you count generally noncontroversial antipiracy patrols actually in the Mediterranean). If withdrawal from Kosovo and giving a German green light to a resumption of the Balkan wars is middle of the road German opinion, something is deeply wrong with German opinion and it is clear that George W Bush is only incidentally involved in the problem.

2. The danger of the US is in its capabilities. The danger of Iran is in its intentions as anyone who has read about the millenialist Hojjatieh and its influence on President Ahmadinejad can attest. Logically, if capability is what is worrisome, France and the UK with their nuclear warheads capable of obliterating Germany should evoke a significant amount of worry. But who in Germany worries about France's military these days? I smell a double standard.

3. Worries about America from Europe seem remarkably vague as to what exactly we're doing to bother you. Once the issue is pressed, it mostly seems to translate to us upsetting longstanding bribery and corrupt dealing arrangements between local elites and disgusting 3rd world authoritarian regimes. Color me unimpressed.

4. I have found Europeans lately to be remarkably ill informed about America. They tend to assume knowledge they do not have about how this country works and their biases favors the policy positions of certain factions in the US that tend to dominate in the old, established media. This alternate explanation could easily be tested by getting the reading list of a representative sample of center-right people and having some english speaking germans in Germany keep informed using those sources for a few months. I think the difference will be striking and not necessarily in attitude. Rather they will stop being so awfully ignorant of why the US does what it does. Reducing the ridiculous conspiracy theories would be a great help.

5. Nationalism is never healthy when it is a fun house mirror. That is to say there will never be a healthy German nationalism so long as german nationalists *care* about the US and its influence. American nationalists do not care so much about the influence of other countries on our own. Rather it is the maintenance of a distinct American identity that is at the heart of the healthy american nationalist (who might have a name like Smith, Zhang, Fernandez, or Kalinski). I do not think that it is unfair for americans to be worried when they see unhealthy German nationalism. We've paid in blood for the right to do so.

6. The US, under this President, has repudiated its prior policy over the past half century of supporting dictatorships in the name of stable realpolitik. Let's be clear that this is the old order that is on offer and which would be welcomed both by Moscow and Berlin. For technical reasons, this is a world that cannot be resurrected but true reactionaries will try.

7. Reversing course would be a betrayal of American ideals and would mark us for a generation as a punk who can be pushed around and manipulated no matter how fearsome our weapons and how capable our soldiers.

George:

Germany is just coming off of 10 years of misrule by socialists. Growth during the last decade has been 0 to .05% . Unemployment has been consistently over 10%. The former East Germany is a large rust belt with much of the population still moving to the West. Germans are immigrating to more prosperous countries at all time high rates.

The German elite have no explanations for Germany's poor economic performance. Hence, "let's blame all of our problems on the U.S." Every German publication, including this guy's paper, Die Zeit, have front page articles in every edition, belittling the U.S. German problems get coverage on page 3.

It is not just George Bush. Americans are now responsible for all of the bad weather in the world because we did not sign Kyoto. (Funny that nobody in Germany is calling for a speed limit on the Autobahn to limit CO2 emissions.) American Chrysler is suddenly responsible for German Daimler/Chrysler having a bad year, eventhough Chrysler has carried Mercedes the last 4 years. U.S. gun culture is responsible for a kid in Erfurt, Germany shooting 14 of his classmates. Germany needs to get a grip on itself and start addressing its own problems. It can start by holding its politicians and ruling elite responsible for their own mistakes.

German Voice:

KEVIN SAMPSON, No panic! The hardheads who believe that socialism is a great idea are just a shadow of themselves! They just haven't realized that socialism is already dead! You know, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Zedong, and all the other hardheads are dead, and their ruthless ideology too! Socialism has no future! It's time for them to open their eyes - or to commit suicide! So what?

Btw, Our Troops are doing a tremendous job, so we can sleep in peace at night! God bless them all!

Kevin Sampson:

"If we do not recognize the zealots for what they are, and in short order, remove them from power, and indeed from even the discourse as the madmen they are, they will sow the seeds of our collective destruction."

Good to see the American Left is still looking out for our right to free speech. Oh, wait, did I say 'our'? Sorry, YOUR right to free speech.

German Voice:

VECTRASAURIS, You're right! In addition, more than 150.000 Germans flee from the socialist dictatorship each year. However, who cares?

America is the defender of Liberty and Justice and some childrish hardheads who would like to run away from the battlefield are not America. They are just a minority and should move to Europe in order to see what it means to live in a socialist dictatorship.

Support the finest and brightest men and women of the United States of America - Our Troops! http://www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil/

God bless America, Our Troops and their Families!

Vectrasauris:

It doesn't matter much what the Germans think.

Germany's is a population in decline. literally. Deaths now out-pace births in Germany. It takes a birth rate of 2.1 to keep a nation's population stable and Germany’s is at 1.37 per Eurostat statistics.

With no future of its own, with a future that will have the call of the muezzin replace the ringing of its church bells, Germany has made itself irrelevant. Germany has become decrepit and impotent. It has become gray and doddering with a rebellious and resentful alien population that will supplant it.

Why should we in the US trouble ourselves over the sniveling and whining of the soon to be dead?

Quo Vadis:

Joe Noory's right. Twenty years ago it was Ronald Reagan who was going to destroy the world with his missiles. What did he in fact do? He created the "New Europe".

If you're not old enough to remember that, you lack the context to understand how things have changed and how they have not.

Joe Noory:

This entire piece is a recitation of nothing, and an explanation of nothing new. NOthing has changed since the 1980s, or any of the other strange little fixations that whip up in European society.

Think back: remember the "American obsession with the health craze?," "Americanization of popular music?," Americanization of this or that?, and even quite bizarrely mocking the US for tieing arms sales to human rights as naive and anti-commercial move? - new symboliam, new fixation.

Changing constantly, and no different. Americans don't need to re-evaluate and wonder about Europeans' emotions, Europeans need to re-examine their prediliction for peevishness and hatred of whole nations, cultures, and peoples.

German Voice:

I'm a Kraut and I stand with the United States of America - the greatest Nation ever! If someone is against America, then he is against me too!

Here in Germany, and also in Europe, the NAZIS and Commmunists are still alive, therefore, it's no wonder, that anti-Americanism is wide spreaded across Europe. The reason is, is that the news-media are censored, so the people do not know, what's really going on. All news they get are one-sided.

However, Americans should give a big nothing about what the European hardheads are talking, because it's part of the NAZI-Propaganda here in Europe, especially here in Germany. In addition, Europe is a safe haven for terrorists.

America is doing great and there's nothing wrong with it! Iran is a dictatorship and the people over there cannot wait to get liberated. So what?

Thanks to the finest and brightest men and women of the United States - Our Troops!

Support the Troops at www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil

God bless America, Our Troops and their Families!

John P. Atlanta:

To Dave,

If indeed the majority of Americans did NOT want to becoome embroiled in another European war, as you contend without proof, then doesn't that prove my point that they DID NOT recognize the threat posed by Hitler? There was indeed a threat to America too, the V2 ICBM. Forgotten about that?

You have stooped to the lowest form of debate "putting words into people's mouths". Capitalists fear not only Communism but Socialism too. It's not shocking, it is fact as I explained.

So, what do you make of Capitalist/Communist China which will soon own the US lock, stock, and barrel? Why don't we just nuke the atheist Communist bastards?

The World must be so confusing to you. You are truly living in the '50's. Times have changed, get over it.

John P. Atlanta:

To Dave and his ilk:

Yes, Europe, and the rest of the World, IS big on appeasement. Appeasement means to conciliate to bring about peace. It is rabid, reactionary, right-wing neocon war-mongers that have misconstrued the very meaning of the word. How do you know that Chamberlain's Munich Accord wasn't a successfull delaying tactic to buy more time for England to build it's defenses? You don't, and nor do I. But it saved England. Presumably, our clever President Bush in the same position would have said "Bring it on!". If Germany had invaded England first, that would have been the end of the story.
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Tariq:

Afghanistan fought the Russians for 10 years and had a civil war for another 10 years and yet the world never heard of a "suicide bomber". Why now ?
We had 200 years of colonial rule in India and Pakistan and never was a "suicide bomber".
Never did we hear of Terrorists in former British India or in other colonised races.
At one time there were more Muslims in the British Empire than from any other religion.
Yet there were no "suicide bombers".
True there were terrorists movements in some parts of the world. The Tamil Tigers being particularly the most ferocious. But so were some Jewish groups against the British in Palestine and some in other areas of the world including Northern Ireland. But never like what the world has seen since the Palestinian Intifada and now in Iraq.
But now we have crops of terrorists and daily terror attacks. This is new.
Looks to me like the former colony of Britain were really tolerant of our British masters and for some reason do not want to tolerate the Americans as our new masters.
So whats wrong with the Americans? Is it because they are fat and ugly and dont play Cricket.

Dave!:

John P Atlanta
The US' late participation in WWII does not change the fact that Europe is big on appeasement. It was not just the RIGHT that did not want to be dragged into another European war, it was a majority of ALL Americans. American were right to be concerned about Communism. Especially since there were active and popular communist parties as well as communists throughout the Roosevelt adminstration. It sounds like you are shocked, shocked to find that capitalists were against communism.

Bush is not responsible or even "entirely responsible" for the hatred and civil unrest in the Middle east. What he has done is made it easier for those people to express that hatred. But it was there before Bush and will be there after Bush. It is almost becoming comic how people are blaming Bush for everything - Europe continues to resent and despise America (its Bush), the middle east is in turmoil (its Bush), i'm having a bad hair day (its Bush). He deserves his fair share of blame but at some point people and countries around the globe need to stand up and realize that if they are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem. What is Europe doing? Are they leading the charge on anything? The war against terror? The Israeli/Palestine issue? What is their contribution? When others are leading the way, its a whole lot easier to say what you would have done or to complain. But when its up to you, its not quite as easy. So i say to my European friends, put up or shut up.

Dave!:

William Demuth:
"Secular principles"? We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

Giovanni:

Such attitudes are prevalent not only in Germany, but throughout the rest of Europe and indeed throughout the world world, and rightfully so. America -- that global-warming, torture-promoting, arms-race-fuelling, warmongering outlaw state that thumbs its nose at international law -- is indeed a grave threat to humanity, and a far graver threat than a backwater nuclear wannabe like Iran or a crumbling former empire like Russia. Only when Americans wake up and realize that they cannot ram their laws down everyone else's throats, that they must abide by the same rules as the rest of us, will the threat it represents subside. Unfortunately, mainstream America still hasn't figured that out. And so, like an ignoramus bully with a machine gun, it charges around making enemies the world over. This, I predict, will hasten America's demise as a world power.

Old Atlantic:

Somehow my posts were delayed a long time, so I thought they had been rejected by the system. Then after a long delay, several came out. My apologies. Maybe more are coming.

John P. Atlanta:

To Bobster:

First of all NO-ONE EVER said that the US had a monopoly on evil!

I am a proud American citizen who has lived in both Europe and the US, and your opinions of Europeans are way off-base. Unfortunately, most Americans have neither travelled or lived abroad, which makes it easy for the Bushies to marginalise foreigners whose opinions they don't like.

Bush propaganda labeling the French as "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" is only one example of this kind of slander which only appeals to Anglo-American morons.

American Wingnuts often allude to Hitler and Neville Chamberlain's Munich Accord ("peace in our time") as an example of European's "not recognizing Hitler's evil", or their cowardice in not confronting it. They also attempt to marginalize US liberal "lefties" for the same reasons.

In so doing they ignore several indisputable historical facts:

1) Many countries, US and Britain among them, had active and popular fascist parties. In the US the "America Firsters" and the German Bund. Leading lights of the fascists and anti-semites in America were Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh, and MANY others.

2) Although Franklin Roosevelt recognized the danger of an expansionist German fascism early, most Americans on the RIGHT did not. Which is why America did not enter the war until December 7, 1941, after Pearl Harbor was attacked, over TWO YEARS after the invasion of Poland!

3) Many Americans and Britons in the 'thirties were far more pre-occupied with the threat of Communism, which is why they supported the Nazis. US Big Business was most concerned about the spread of Socialism, because it empowered the trade union movement, which it fought tooth-and -nail. Bush's own grandfather was a fascist sympathizer who continued doing business with the Nazi's years after WWII began, until Roosevelt prohibited it.

As for your comments about Arabs; it is hard for me to be polite while dealing with someone as racist as you are.

First of all, America invaded Iraq, not the other way round. In invading and occupying a sovereign nation it became morally and legally responsibile under the "quaint" Geneva Conventions. Americans like you employ inverted logic to blame Arabs for the genocide that the Bush regime is entirely responsible for.

If you know anything at all about WWII you would recognize that the Nazi's did EXACTLY the same when they occupied Poland. Then they were called Einestatzgruppe IV, today they are called Special Ops.

IT IS THE AMERICAN FASCISTS WHO DO NOT RECOGNIZE EVIL TODAY, JUST AS THEY DID NOT IN 1939!


J. Rhinehart:

“That fact ordinary citizens of European liberal democracies feel more threatened by America than Iran (or Putin’s Russia) is not just because of a lapse of judgment that can easily be dismissed. It is cause for alarm.” --- Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff

I agree. It is cause for a great deal of alarm. And America is waking up to that now. Belatedly. Take heart in that. Bush doesn’t have a blank check any more.

Old Atlantic:


German elites made an alliance with Islam in WWI to kill Christians in Turkey and fight the US.

German national socialist elites made an alliance with Islam in WWII and fight the US.

Are they our teachers on Islam?

If leftist German elites want to form an alliance with Islam to kill the people in Israel, Europe, WTC and Pentagon, its no reason for America to. Some of these elites are no better than Stasi spies.

German leftist elites created Marxism, national socialism and communism. All of them were allied with Islam against the West in the 20th century. German leftist elites still hope this alliance will defeat the West and end Western civilization and democide the people of the West by Muslim immigration.

We aren't going to let Iran put nukes on subs and have them off our coasts. We have to invade Iran to surround and blockade Pakistan from doing that. Time has run out to denuke Iran and Pakistan.

Most Germans don't support the surrender to Islam. America should not surrender to Islam to please a few anti-America anti West leftists.

Old Atlantic:

German elites made an alliance with Islam in WWI to kill Christians in Turkey and fight the US.

German national socialist elites made an alliance with Islam to kill Jews in WWII and fight the US.

Are they our teachers on Islam?

If leftist German elites want to form an alliance with Islam to kill Jews and Christians in Israel, Europe, WTC and Pentagon, its no reason for America to. Some of these elites are no better than Stasi spies.

German leftist elites created Marxism, national socialism and communism. All of them were allied with Islam against the West in the 20th century. German leftist elites still hope this alliance will defeat the West and end Western civilization and democide the people of the West by Muslim immigration.

We aren't going to let Iran put nukes on subs and have them off our coasts. We have to invade Iran to surround and blockade Pakistan from doing that. Time has run out to denuke Iran and Pakistan.

Most Germans don't support the surrender to Islam. America should not surrender to Islam to please a few anti-America anti West leftists.

Old Atlantic:

Germany made an alliance with Islam in WWI to kill Christians in Turkey and fight the US.

Germany made an alliance with Islam to kill Jews in WWII and fight the US.

Are they are teachers on Islam?

If some Germans want to form an alliance with Islam to kill Jews and Christians in Israel, Europe, WTC and Pentagon, its no reason for America to.

We aren't going to let Iran put nukes on subs and have them off our coasts. We have to invade Iran to surround and blockade Pakistan from doing that. Time has run out to denuke Iran and Pakistan.

Old Atlantic:

Germany made an alliance with Islam in WWI to kill Christians in Turkey and fight the US.

Germany made an alliance with Islam to kill Jews in WWII and fight the US.

Are they are teachers on Islam?

If some Germans want to form an alliance with Islam to kill Jews and Christians in Israel, Europe, WTC and Pentagon, its no reason for America to.

We aren't going to let Iran put nukes on subs and have them off our coasts. We have to invade Iran to surround and blockade Pakistan from doing that. Time has run out to denuke Iran and Pakistan.

Bobster:

America does not have a monopoly on Evil. Evil can also be seen as "doing nothing". I don't see the Europeans doing nothing but talking for the most part. Acting like all this will just go away. Just like they did with Hitler and his insane vision for a "new world order". And the Arabic countries? They are even worse. They are watching their own brothers and sisters killing each other everyday, while they profit from oil sales. But why should they do anything. Let the Americans try to get rid of the fanatics. let them take the blame for the failures. They are getting rich from their oil sales, and someone else is fighting a dirty war for them. Thats evil. Does america have faults, of course we do. But to say that we are more evil or dangerous than Iran is absurd. My idea of evil is watching children no older than six years old carrying AK47s in a parade, and other children signing suicide pacts with their parents to blow up infidels. Sending your small children to "bomb making school", having women who have barely any rights, learn how to load, shoot and bayonet unbelievers, etc...That is not only evil, its plain sick. I am no friend of this administration, but I am not going to let my dislike of this administration cloud my judgements of evil either.

Alex (DC):

"So you think it's ludicrous, it's outlandish, it's just plain nuts to assume that the United States is more dangerous than Iran? Well, think again. And listen to some readers of DIE ZEIT, the German weekly that I work for."

Tad bit condescending dontcha think? I didnt think those things.

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Theodore:

NO one has as begun to talk Bush's crazy appearances. How he looks, how strangely he acts. How idiotic and rote are his utterings! Wednesday's new conference. Shouldn't someone begin to consider incapacitation? The state of not having capacity? How far should it go?

P Cornell:

Putin's motivations are more important than what he spoke. Putin recognizes that there is power vacum in the world with loss of credibility of the US and he has put forward Russia as the leader of a movement to counter balance the US. The irony is that history gave the Bush administration a golden opportunity to continue bringing Russia closer to the US, but Bush squanderd it on pointless critisism of Putin's autocratic crackdown.

Thomas Ward:

How interesting!! After Russia goes democratic & capitalist, the U.S goes fascist with enabler Blare. Secret prisons, torture, murder, occupation & bombing civilians. Hundred of thousands dead, crime piled upon crime, nuclear threats, yess no-one is safe with this monster on the lose --for what--so Bush can show the world he can hurt people?? This loco pied piper Bush of the neocon vission of world domination has already failed. The political wolf is already at his door, as Blare sulks offstage, Olmert at 20%. Now they present a fresh opportunity, Iran. Oh for joy, two failures, let have a third for the filale! All those who assist will follow this fool to his place of failure & infamy. Why did the Reich in its death throes attack Russia?? Those who do not know history are forced to repeat its errors.

John Peddicord MS, Atlanta:

When US troops were stationed in Germany after WWII "trust" was hardly an issue. US bases in Germany are now being dismantled and moved to Eastern European countries.

Previous US administrations built the trust that allowed for a foreign based presence, but Bush has undermined that trust. That is the whole point of this discussion!

As for "trusting" any foreign power to maintain a military presence, it is a moot point. A rational sovereign nation would never permit such a presence unless it deemed it necessary to protect itself from an imminent threat.

Which is why Iraqis are fighting to rid themselves of an occupying force. There is no "sectarian war" in Iraq. It is rather a war of liberation which involves conflict between nationalists and collaborators of the puppet al-Maliki government.

The sooner Americans can see the reality veiled by the Bush propaganda machine and MSM the better.

THE WHY OF IT:

The answer, ntruly a horrible one, to your questionings, is easily found. You know it.
Simply read the PLAN FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY. It outlines the plan for constant war, the constant buildup of American arms. It is not for America. It was written by Wolfowitz and Perle and handed to Netanyahu. American foreign policy, as it is often said, has been hijacked for the benefit of Israel. And it is working. The
first idea was the tearing up of the ME. And it is working. No other reason to think Americans suddenly turned vile. We're as occupied as Palestine. And still they bark for war in Iran. And it's working.
How unfortunate that the "plan"'s budding came just as GWBush came on the scene. Unfortu ate hardly gets it.

Bill B USA:

I'd like to comment on your article on how dangerous the US is. How many other countries would Germany trust to place troops on German soil? We have troops in dozens of countries why? because one we can be trusted to remove our troops when asked and two we help keep the peace in countries where are troops are stationed. Let me see Germany invite Russian troops setup camp within your borders. That will never happen and why? because you can't really trust them. If our huge military was about grabing resources we could just take Canada. They have a small military, our troops are stationed through out Canada and they have loads of resources. Yet Canada is free and thriving and has no troops stationed along our border for defensive purposes neither does Mexico. I grant you Bush has made a mess of things. The US in many cases has to go it alone due to the UN's unwillingness to act on issues such as Kosovo. If America doesn't stand up and decide to got it alone nothing gets done.Where was the UN in Rawanda and where are they now in Darfur? If the US goes alone in Darfur once again we will be the bad guys. Maybe the US should go back to the days of isolantionism and let the rest of the world rot. As an American that would be my vote.

William Demuth:

It should be self evident that the United States is a greater threat to world peace than are the Iranians. But one must also consider what the other end of the spectrum offers, that the United States also brings greater opportunity to this world than the Iranians.

The US has always feared domination, and as a result has without pause invested huge amounts of its resources into self empowerment and autonomy. As a result of these policies the United States stands in a position to influence, and possibly determine the destiny of the human race.

The schism that has been recently unfolding is an obvious but alarming one. When the US was founded, it was based on secular principals including the basic freedoms the world comes to believe are now “Human Rights”, many of which we have championed for a century. But somewhere in the internal politics of the US, the secular values were undermined by religious and political extremists who are dragging us all slowly towards the Armageddon they all collectively await.

So while the alarm bells being rung by the Americans that decry the politics of religious extremism are valid, the same criticisms can easily be applied to us as well, rendering them moot.

If we can not learn that freedom of religion must by its definition include freedom from religion, we will inevitably slaughter each other. That is why I as an American, feel fear for the first time in my life.

If we do not recognize the zealots for what they are, and in short order, remove them from power, and indeed from even the discourse as the madmen they are, they will sow the seeds of our collective destruction. In brief, this “My God is tougher then you’re God” nonsense should be beneath our collective self identities. If we place our hope in religious extremism, than sooner rather than later we will all die, because America’s technological advantage assures it.

knox:

Of course, the USA is more dangerous.
It is the only country that used a nucler weapon in a real war. At the same time, Iran have not waged an agressive war since XVIII century. It took part only in defensive war, particulary, in the war with Iraq, which was supported by the USA that time

PostGlobal:

Note: The previous title was not the author's original. PostGlobal had selected it. But at the author's request we have changed the title to "A Cause for Alarm", something that the author is more comfortable with and feels more accurately reflects his views.

Boz Slogthrop:

Years ago, while eating lunch with my partners in our law firm's library, long before I had ever heard of George W. Bush or Saddam Hussein or of the neoconservative movement, I opined that the greatest threat to world peace was the United States because the U.S. is (1) extremely and intentionally militarily powerful and (2) extremely and increasingly dependent on foreign resources to sustain our standard of living which we consider "ours" as a matter of right. I am a former Marine officer and Vietnam vet and considered the opinion I offered as almost self-evident. My partners (and friends) however reacted to my statement as if I had questioned the legitimacy of their births. The U.S. 'defense' budget now is roughly equal to the combined military budgets of all the world's other nations and our dependency on foreign resources is even greater than it was when I shocked my partners. Can there be any surprise that much of the rest of the world considers the US a threat?

Alex:

Being a German, but not "Zeit"-reader, I fully agree to Mr. Kleine-Brockhoff.
I know many people, who are increasingly afraid of the enourmous power potential of the United States, when they experienced how the actual american government did use this power for:
- behaving as a autistic superpower
- starting new wars
- negating global development like global warming and sabotaged actions against these developments
- destroying the american reputation as the main protective power for human rights and democracy

Coming from the former eastern germany, the old soviet union and the russian soldiers there were really not popular at all. Even today I dont know many people feeling comfortable with the actual way russia goes.
But actually I dont know any person beeing more afraid of Putins Russia than of the destructive potential of the united states governed by Bush.

Anyhow, I disagree to the author about the time it requires to rebuild the lost credit for America: One generation is much too long.
After two american presidents and governments with serios and sustainable behaviour the bush-time will be history, forgiven, even if still reminded.

Even the german war crimes are history know, and it has happened "only" two generations ago. And they were incredible more awful.

The situation reminds me of an quite old saying: The americans take always the right path - after trying every other path before and realizing ist a blind alley.
So I'm optimistically waiting for finding them the right way.

(A differnce to germans: We may think longer about the path, but after deciding for a way it is much harder to accept beeing on a blind alley.)

RDJRDJ, Princeton, NJ:

And it cannot be done as long as "American tanks roll through a major Arab capitol".
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Perhaps this is true, but perhaps it is also emblematic of the way in which its simply *convenient* to blame America.

Many look at Eureopeans and see their attitude as whining, rather than analysis. As Secretary Rice said (and I'm not big fan of this Administration), "Come up with your own ideas, if you don't want a made-in-America solution." From the mess in the Balkins on down a long list, Europe seems scelrotic on many things, unable to act, just offering moralizations from the sidelines, too frequently.

As for the "Arab Capitol", perhaps that is true, but why not challenge that criticism as well? Today, it is Arabs themselves who are destroying Baghdad with sectarian violence and more, not Americans. Where is the outrage from the Arab street?

The two-faced nature of the criticisms about American being in an Arab Capitol shows that these are not rationally made opinions.

Zoltan:

Yep, I was one of those commentators on "Die Zeit" (pseudo zozo)


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