Syria support Terror, its citizens lives in poverty and there are NO ELECTIONS because it's not a democracy.

SO?

The writer ask us to learn something from his stupid country?

i wonder....

Jews supporting the illegal and criminal state of Israel are the most hateful and racist people. They are overplaying their "victimization" claim and are the doing the same horrible crimes they cry against for over 50 years. The wars of 2006 and 2008/9 shows how butchering these people are and no wonder why we have so many radical Muslims who have been pushed into the sea many times over and to the brink of hoplessness.Israel has no sense of proportion about the crimes it is committing. US should really take a hard look and recalculate the situation, because this great country is paying an unnecessary price for an entity which a facade.

Dear Sami Moubayed,

It is Hamas and its apoligists that are out-of-touch with reality.

Peace requires Palistinians to reject terrorist leaders like Hamas and develop a culture of peace.

People forget that the 1st Intifada was a PEACEFUL one. Led by demonstrators who called for an end-to-occupation by Israel. Israel and Jews responded positively. Negotiations followed Oslo.. a 2-state soluton ACCEPTED by all !! Gaza and 60% of West bank transferred to PA control. 100,000 Pals daily entered Israel to work. Pals overseas returned home and invested in the West Bank. Economic growth was solid. At Camp David, Pals were offered 90% of West Bank, East Jeruselem, and Gaza (all free of Jews). Yes Peace was everywhere !!

Than Arafat listened to Satan and the 2nd Intifada destroyed it all. Very sad, very tragic.
But through peace, Pals can regain their land and their future ! Reject extremism and Hamas ! Please !

Nothing is more pathetic than Arab knowledge of history, proudly on display here, except perhaps for Arab attempts at humor.

ASIZK

How dare you disagree with the Israeli point of view. Why you haven't even listen to the mechanics or history of how and why they stole it. As a result of your actions, I will now play this very old and worn out record.

You must be anti Semitic, anti Jew, and a bigot.
Don't you know that Israelis are the chosen people, and are special, and don't have to adhere to any rules, laws ,or regulations?

Seeff,
What kind of an idiot r u?
there is no "israel" as such:that is occupied PAlestine with foreign jewish invaders-who will sooner or latter depart or will be evicted as the Crusaders and others were. It takes a little time but it will happen.

The differences between the nazis and the jews are: at least the nazis were committing their attorcities and barbarities on German soil whereas the jews are committing them on occupied Arab land and on palestinians whom they have occupied for the past sixty years thru systamatic violence,terrorism and ethnic cleansing in 1947/8/9.

jewish barbarities are more evil:I have never heard that nazis starved the jews thru collective punishment to submission and then bombed them from the air,sea and land while they were incarcerated in concentration camps as the PAlestinians are as we speak.

Over 75% of the 1.5 million Gazans are refugees ethnically cleansed by illegal armed jewish immigants form Asklon,Ashdod and BierShaba-these towns are by no means whatsoever "israli" towns-these are occupied PAlestinian towns and the PAlestinians are firing their harmless "rockts" against occupiers and to get the attention of a deaf world and a corrupt Arab gang of dictators to their Plight of Siege,Starvation and Collective Punishment.

One can see the plight of the PAlestinians in books written even by jews:

Beni Morris:The Birth of the PAlestine Refugee Problem;

Illan Pappe: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

and the London-based Palestine WWW.PALNDS.COM

SALAFY12123

AKA RANTIZI

Playing the game of two different persons to support your nonsense only weakens it more.

AP News: By IbrahimB@apnews.org

Yesterday in Jerusalem, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon heard testimony from human rights campaigner in Gaza, detailing the harrowing experience of dozens of Palestinians who were forced to kneel on gravel for hours and beaten on the soles of their feet with iron bars during interrogations by Hamas Security services.
Some witnesses displayed horrific wounds to their kneecaps made by wooden pegs driven into hole opening deliberately made through made by the use of drills. "my neighboors have done this to me" Shaffiq El Battuti was heard crying, "because i did not attend one demonstration."
These and other horrific testimonies against Hamas members were gathered by UN representatives. Hundreds of Gaza Palestinians including dozens of teenage girls with disfiguring acid burns on their faces are in protective custody in Israeli hospitals; victims of atrocities by Hamas. The mother of one of these girls was heard crying "God will punish us for killing his chosen people, Islam should rise up and protect the people of the book"

GLSRINI, may the fire of hell consume you, you traitor to Islam; you worshiper of the Satanic Ayatollah. how dare you suggest to us - the TRUE ISLAM the abomination you wrote? I, Yusuf Islam, father to 34 martyrs proclaim and declare a fatuah against the Satan from Iran, may the fire of hell consume him and his barbaric race of ugly infidels

الله أكبر

how dare you GLSRINI! and YOU might replace the holy name of Muhammad the magnificent with the ugly portrait of one of the limp dicks Satanic Ayatollahs...
here, in Palestine, we love our Muhammad... why if it weren't for him who taught us where in the mosque to stash all those explosive rockets, how to produce more babies and treat our women as sows where would we be? He, may the light shine on his ass and warm it until soft and tender with an inviting fragrant smell and texture, taught us to douse little girls faces with sulfuric acid if they don't wear a veil; and who could forget all the Arab virgins that we are going to get as soon as we blow ourselves up? hmmm? not me!

we love our Muhammad, we just need the Israelies to adopt some of his ways and there will be no Palestinians left to cry over... just like we dealt with the Kurds

how dare you GLSRINI! and YOU might replace the holy name of Muhammad the magnificent with the ugly portrait of one of the limp dicks Satanic Ayatollahs...
here, in Palestine, we love our Muhammad... why if it weren't for him who taught us where in the mosque to stash all those explosive rockets, how to produce more babies and treat our women as sows where would we be? He, may the light shine on his ass, taught us to douse little girls faces with acid if they don't wear a veil; and who could forget all the Arab virgins that we are going to get as soon as we blow ourselves up? hmmm? not me!

we love our Muhammad, we just need the Israelies to adopt some of his ways and there will be no Palestinians left to cry over... just like we dealt with the Kurds

Some Changes to Palestine Prayers

1. Replace word Allah with ISREAL.
for ISREAL is more powerful than Allah.

2. Turn to ISREAL & Jerusalem and not Mecca while praying ,for Isreal controls peace not Mecca.

3. Pray to PM of ISREAL for he is the Prophet of Muslims...because Muslims constantly talk more about ISREAL PM than Prophet.

Oh YUSUF you crack me up!!! thank you! let me tell you, i see these limp dicks all over our universities... soon they will drown us here just as they have drowned Europe... and let me tell you, Europe is in a panic over these Ismamists!!!

You say truth brother!!!
why just yesterday two rabbis and a catholic priest blew up a bus in Baghdad killing 48 children and stole their land, they went from child to child demanding to know "do you own any land?" they shouted, and when the poor Islamic child feebly said "yes" they forced him to sign his land to them shouting very near his poor Islamic ears "sign here!!! you little bastard" just before they killed him and drank his blood... oh, brother it was gory!

Later, they were joined by some other Catholic priests and a Baptist minister and bombed a hospital wing dedicated exclusively to the production of Islamic babies to be donated to the Palestinians to fight the occupation with. you should have seen it brother, it was terrible.

The Israeli excuses and propaganda get old fast.

More blatent lies posted here than I can count or care to.

Israel killed more Palestinians with their first bomb than all of the rockets Hamas has fired.

FOR THE 40 YEARS I'VE WATCHED...

the savage zionists have plundered the lands around them...with only genocide and land grabbing in mind. Never anything else...as

screamed defense, the obviously phony, disgusting
reason for their blood lust...

and used American taxpayers money. And now ruined the American economy, the "NewYorkers" on wall street with the 40x leveraged greed.

The world, including our European allies, western Europe, has become very anti semetic, and
says so loudly in the last two weeks. Why do the
zionists/Isralis/jews think they're winning?
Like always in history?

Dear Mr. S. Moubayed,
You forgot to mention in your article that Hamas had been shooting rockets into Israel for eight years and that Israel warned countless times that TARGETING the civilian population in Israel is unacceptable.

You forgot to mention that President Mubarak warned Hamas not to break the "lull", subsequently he blamed Hamas for the operation.

You forgot to mention that Israel has repeatedly announced that the operation will end when Hamas stop, and commit to stop shooting rockets into Israel.

You forgot to mention that Hamas holes up behind civilian shields and stores arms and munitions in mosques, schools and public places.

You forgot to mention that the leaflets, requested that people leave the areas of impending bombardment. Find me one military force that has ever done this in history. Does Hamas announce rocket fire targeted at civilians?

You forgot to mention that Israel lets in humanitarian aid which is stolen by Hamas and cynically taken advantage of to target civilians in Israel.

This tops it all – "Palestinian fighters continued to send missiles into Israel". Fighters don't send missiles into civilian cities, terrorists do. They do not come out to fight but hide behind civilians and target civilians.

You forgot to mention that Hamas violently came to power and threw Fatah members out of high rise-buildings.

You forgot to watch the countless videos in which Hamas strap their children with suicide belts.

You forgot to mention that 3 opposing cabinet members decided on this operation and not only Mr. Olmert who is leaving office.

You forgot to mention that the mighty Israel could annihilate all of Gaza and some neighbors within the hour, but has not. That does not really go with your hypothesis that Israel targets civilians.

If the Israeli military targeted civilians, with 15% of Gaza destroyed, the numbers should be a lot higher, more like in the hundreds of thousands.

You forgot to mention that there are Palestinian wounded in Israeli hospitals.

You forgot to mention that Gilad Shalit has not been allowed a Red Cross visit as opposed to Hamas prisoners that receive family visits in Israel.

Perhaps you have not forgotten anything, but rather choose to portray a biased and fictional picture of the situation, from behind the title of journalist.

Each every statement of mine can be backed from credible sources, if really need to go down that road.

So who lives on another planet Mr. Moubayed?

L. Seeff

Gaza is full of "collaborators", also known as people who look for someone to free them from the brutal rule of Hamas. If not for their help, the civilian toll in this war would have been much higher.

msiddiqu, I am with you. but read this excerpt... we have bigger problems, we need to clean home!!!

What happen to Said? by IBRAHIM BARZAK

Said Siam, the Hamas interior minister who controlled the militant group's feared security forces, who gang rape under aged Palestinian girls and later convince them that the only way to cleanse their family "shame" is by strapping explosive vests and board Israeli buses, was killed by Israeli Special Forces while hiding in a backyard hole in his brother's home in Gaza City. Siam is considered to be among Hamas' top five leaders in Gaza. It has come to the authors knowledge that Said's whereabouts were communicated to the Israelis by Hanan Ashrawi, a Palestinin legislator and occupation collaborator, known to have used similar methods to dispose of her political rivals in the past.

what should we do?

GUUU1 :
Your intellectual level is even below Roshini. God help us all.

You are insensitive to all the bloodshed. When first time I visit Aushwitch in Poland, I cried thinking how humans can do this to another human being. But I did not expect the bloodshed of Gaza from the people whose ancestors were victims of Nazis.

Are these Israelis the same people who demanded the world to recognize Holocast? Well, the longest Holocast of the history started in 1967 and still continuing.

It is time for Hamas to surrender.

There are three simple steps that the Gazans need to take to end the block aid, which have been a consensus between Israel and the rest of the world.
1) Recognize Israel
2) Reject violence
3) Abide by previous agreements

RONISHNI, you are right, and they know you are... but here you need to remember that you are dealing with Iranians!!! here is what they like to see written:

Hamas AP News: Israeli forces shell UN headquarters in Gaza killing 79 children, 232 of the dead children were pregnant with other children...
The explosion engulfed a compound and a warehouse in a big fire and destroyed thousands of pounds of food and humanitarian supplies intended for Palestinian children pregnant with other children... and fathered by Palestinian officials... they do like their children!!!

U.N. workers and "Palestinian firefighters", some wearing bulletproof jackets, to protect them from the constant israeli fire aimed at the children, struggled to douse the flames and plant flowers to protect the children while buggering other children (i told you they like their children...)
"we need those children" one Hamas official was heard yelling "the suicide vests are just too small for most of Hamas members... who love the children"

the inhumanity!!!

still, that's Islam for you, see it recognize it... it is what it is!!!

RONISNI

The Arabs are, Nazi, Terror, Crazy religion, Fanatics, primitive, and are they also not the sons of Abraham?

O k , I get it, that explains both sides of the issue. It's must be in the genes.

Remember Cain and Able? Somebody up there is not going to be to happy about committing Genocide upon thy Brother.

But what do we know, We are just Gentiles. Apparently you don't really believe in the Bible.

Syria is an undemocratic country and support Terror.
Hamas is a NAZI organization who kills it's own people - watch this film: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JgfHbwEhjdg&feature=related

The fanatic Muslims are trying to kill everybody who don't believe in their fanatic crazy Islam .

The world is tired of crazy Terror.

Countries like Syria should be democratic before they can say anything about Israel.

How come that all the Muslim countries are not democratic ???

ronishni

If you are an Israeli, then I must say you are the most ignorant and un-civilized one I have ever encounter after Arial Sharon, who is a war criminal.

Lord of Moses is watching and will do again what He did when Israelites flouted His commandments. Go, zionists keep on killing unarmed and innocent civilians. Every so often someone comes after you. Remember what happened in Europe.

The history repeats itself and teaches leassons. We may not foresee it but time has come.

The crazy Islam should understand that the world is tired of his lies and violence.

Hamas is a NAZI organization and it will be destroyed by Israel !

Israel is fighting the fanatic Terror of Hamas.
The Arab world and Syria especially is involved with Terror activity around the world.

Primitive states like Syria,where there is NO DEMOCRACY, are using the Palestinians to keep their own citizens quiet.

It's said.
Only when the Arab world will progress toward DEMOCRACY they will be a part of world discussions.
At the moment the Arab world is just a dark primitive and Violante state of mind

May Allah the merciful wither your mother's womb until it resembles the short end of a magician's sleeve for all Islam to enjoy

Hamas AP news: Israel bomb a munition factory - 632 died, 728 of them were just children, 528 pregnant women with children coming out of their asses as they were running for shelter in another munition factory that was bombed by the israelies killing an additional 643 children...

and in a separate incident, one Hamas militant was shut dead! BUT he fell on a bunch of children killing 712 children...

it was terrible!

Red Cross: No evidence Israel is using white phosphorus illegally... emm, well, never mind that... the Israelis bomb a school - full of children 241 died, 579 are just children, 682 pregnant women with children, and 527 were just children of other children... Hamas officials said "with that rate we will have to import Iranian children..."

Oh God, thank you for these Arabs, what a fu**ing joke!!!

Here is another link that sheds more light on the Zionists plots and crimes committed against innocent Americans themselves.

http://podblanc.com/judiasm-dangerous

To fully understand the evil, deranged mentality of the Israeli Zionists and those who support them one has to watch this video. It really speaks volumes for the kind of damage they do to the Jewish people and to the USA in particular

http://podblanc.com/israel-and-rabbi-meir-kahane-goldstein-massacre-schindlers-list

Mr. Olmert really should not have even bothered with that Al J interview; it was pointless. The muslims are in denial and that interview only helped them to indulge themselves in their pathology of victimhood and self-pity.

I think we should take a look at how Syria has dealt with the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas's parent group).

In 1982, after the Muslim Brotherhood had caused some 'difficulty' for the Assad regime, the Syrian army surround the city of Hama, and used artillery, tanks, rockets and poison gas to kill between 30,000 and 40,000 men, women and children.

The bombardment completely destroyed most of the buildings of the city of Hama.

This response was deemed appropriate by the Baathist regime and ordered by the current President Assad's father.

If the Israelis do any less than the Syrian example, I can see why the Arab nations would consider them to be 'soft' and 'cowardly'.

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Personally, I would not encourage the Israelis to follow the Syrian example, but if the Arabs insist it is fair, then they have no choice but to go ahead.

It's always very discouraging reading most comments on this conflict and every other conflict regarding Israel. I think you should have to pass some sort of intelligence test to post on this subject.

If most people picked up a history book, you'd find out a lot about what happened with the partition plan in 1948 and why this situation is what it is rather than to say that Israel is committing a genocide or that all Palestinians are terrorists.

For decades and decades, the Palestinians have had leadership that is more interested in killing Israelis than creating their own country. Time and time again, they've rejected peace.

To the anti-Israel posters who spew their uninformed hatred, you should keep in mind that the people who run Hamas are the same people who'd fire missiles indiscriminately at your houses if they had the chance.

I think it's a shame that the people of Gaza have leaders that would rather allow their own people to die than to achieve peace. I think it's a tragedy that civilian lives are being lost in Gaza. But it's Hamas that is orchestrating this. What else is going to happen when you store and fire missiles from hospitals, schools, and mosques?

Pick up a book.

The very same charter that created Israel also mandated an Arab Palestine. Unfortunately, neither the Arabs nor the Israelis accepted that and it's been war and slaughter ever since. Israel, by winning the wars, has claimed and now settled much of the once-to-be Palestinian state, and the Palestinians have been herded into smaller and smaller ghettos with Gaza moving in many ways from a refugee camp to a concentration camp.

But at the root of the issue is that if Israel is legtitimate, then so is a Palestine. if the Israelis won't respect the mandate that gives them legitimacy, what basis beyond force of arms is there for a Jewish state.

The "2 state solution" isn't new, it was the original deal and while neither party accepted it to begin with, Israel by allowing rampant settlement has been the real obstacle to a settlement. Israel has the choice to pull back to internationally accepted border (only in Israel are the occupied territories "disputed"). The Palestinians have a choice to shut up and take it or be killed for trying to fight back.

LEE1,

I'm not sure what the problem is either, you know, in the Bible, when god told the Israelis to go into various lands and kill all, take no prisoners or slaves, including women and children for they (The Israelis ) were the chosen people.

Is God telling them to commit Genocide upon the Palestinians again, even now?

What's the problem, you ask?

I'm not sure what the problem is. Allah has said to the Prophet for Moslems to kill all the Jews. After all the Jews in Israel are killed and their women enslaved, the really devout Moslems will come after the Jews in America.

What's the problem?

>>>There will be no peace in the Israeli - Palestinian conflict until there is some manner of relief for the Palestinian people, and a genuine hope within the occupied territories of a safe, secure, and prosperous future.<<<

Newsflash: They have been handed that hope and that prospect on a silver platter when Israel pulled out of Gaza 3 years ago. They could be safe and secure and prosperous by now. All those huge efforts and expenses to bring in weapons through tunnels could have been directed to building industry and international commerce and housing and social services. They would have none of it.

They can still have all of that, any time they choose, and the international community will help them beyond their wildest dreams, way beyond the help extended to much poorer populations who do not resort to violence. They are not the least bit interested. Do you have any good explanation to this phenomenon, Mr. Moubayed?

IMOXI,

Are you that naive that you can't see that Israel is surrounded by Arab states that don't appreciate the Genocide that Israel is committing for the whole World to see? Must you really ask why?

>>>There will be no peace in the Israeli - Palestinian conflict until there is some manner of relief for the Palestinian people, and a genuine hope within the occupied territories of a safe, secure, and prosperous future.<<<

Unfortunately for the average arab Gazan, they have elected a group of thugs who define 'relief for Palestinian people' as 'no more Israel.' This zero-sum construct preordains the conflict. HAMAS also categorically denies that 'occupied territories' is an acceptable framework for safe, secure and prosperous futre. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive. There is no future that includes Israel as a non-moslem state. The Americans who think HAMAS or Fatah or HEZBOLLAH will ever compromise on that are deluded by thinking that there are two sides to this argument. That is only an Israeli construct. The arabs harbor no feelings of compromise. Why so many Americans continue to hold to this fantasy mystifies me.

"Stay safe by following orders!"

Wow, that's a chilling reminder of Nazi occupations.

It is interest that a number of posters only criticize Israel for fencing in Gaza. They must not know the geography of the region. Egypt is on one side, and has closed off Gaza. At least Israel has a stated reason. To stop suicide bombers. What is Egypt's reason? Why is no one commenting on Egypt? I suspect I know why.

Referring to the American Indians, General William Tecumseh Sherman said words to the effect (I don't have the exact quote in front of me) - We have stolen their land, killed their food, taken their way of life; why are we now surprised that they fight?

Although the circumstances differ to some extent, the same question seems to apply when speaking of the Palestinians; why are we surprised that they fight? Many of the acts of violence by Palestinians that are so demonized by Israel and the American press are no less evil than those perpetrated by Irgun and those who agitated for a Jewish homeland prior to and immediately after WW II. They were not yet the victims of Nazi atrocities, nor where they subject to the hardships and violence of the sort that is indicative of Israeli occupation. Yet, the Palestinian people as a whole are demonized as terrorists or supporters of terrorism. As such, it seems, they deserve what they get.

There will be no peace in the Israeli - Palestinian conflict until there is some manner of relief for the Palestinian people, and a genuine hope within the occupied territories of a safe, secure, and prosperous future. We can not support violence as a means of achieving these goals, but we are deluding ourselves if we act surprised that it has come to this. Israelis shouldn't have to live in fear of rockets raining down on them from Gaza, but they are hardly the innocent victims they would like the world to believe.

It is high time that this country acts in keeping with the high ideals we say should be the standard by which civilized society should aspire to. It is time that we stop blindly supporting Israel while they systematically eliminate the Palestinian people and grab Palestinian lands for their own. We must insist on the return to the 1967 borders. We must insist on an end to the occupation. We must ensure that the Palestinian people are treated with respect and dealt with on an even playing field. Otherwise, there will be no end to the violence, and we Americans will continue to loose credibility in the region through our biased policies.

In eight years, twenty Israelis died from missile attacks. Twenty. And this justifies killing a thousand civilians by Israel?

Gaza is crowded and cramped and blocked-off. People have no where to go. And, no, they aren't going to say, "geez, Israel, your leaflet is right - I'm going to walk down the street and disarm my local militant and then elect a government you are pleased with."

Israel is committing war crimes and doing it with U.S approval, guns and tax dollars. As a U.S citizen, I am ashamed.

>>>For its part, Hamas will not lay down its arms before the Israeli assault comes to an end, and the siege of Gaza is lifted.<<<

How disingenuous! HAMAS choice to pick up arms led to the assault in the first place. Furthermore, 'the siege' is a vague term that HAMAS will stretch to include Israeli occupation of arab land (translation: all jews out of Israel), which is consistent with their charter and means, practically, that HAMAS will never lay down its weapons. I suppose in the interests of balance WaPo needs to ensure their readers see both sides...but we get it...the arabs want all jews out and Israel erased as a laxative to their constipated view of 'the insult to Islam' that is Israel. Get over yourselves. If the arabs laid down their weapons tomorrow, there would be no more war. If the Israelis laid down their weapons tomorrow, there would be no more Israel. This is simply the truth.

The following is from Article 7 of the Hamas Charter-“The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!” This is what Hamas and the “innocent civilians that elected and support these killers believe in. They are no better than street thugs and are getting exactly what they deserve. As usual Sami Moubayed is blowing smoke.

Mr. Moubayed's comments are puzzling.
Palestinians are vulnerable and being savaged by Israeli Military Forces. Yet, Hamas is strong and will not surrender. Help the Palestinians because they cannot protect themselves, but Hamas will prevail?
Pick a message and stick to it if you are going to promote a particular agenda.

The irony on a board like this is that you are all as crazy as the actors on both sides pulling the triggers. This board is an extension of the conflict and you are all cheering for a hero or chiding a villain as if you are watching a movie. Get out of the Stone Age, all of you.

A couple days back Washington Post reported that Israeli public is happy that IDF has kept the press out of Gaza during this war. Obvuiously Israelis only care what Americans see on their screens. In fact, we in America have not seen most of what is happening there, only the Israeli fed information. However, once in a while we see glympses on the BBC. So American public opinion will not change until the truth comes out. What Al-Jazeera shows is not at all seen here.

In late 1980's during the Intifada, the press was showing as it was happening, the Israelis complained that American media was too graphic, translation, it was showing how IDF was killing civilians. At that time Henry Kissinger, the so eloquent statesman, suggested to Israelis if you don't want Americans to see what you are doing, just don't let the press inside the occupied territories. That gave Israelis the license to do commit worst crimes against humanities.

Time has come to start listing the names of Israeli leadership who will eventually face justice in the Internation Court of Justice for commiting crimes against humanity.

@MikeAl and Gaijinsamuri

stop the wailing and stop the bragging - look at every hot spot in the world today, O K, let's see,
1 The U S A had soldiers in over 120 Countries
2 The U S A exports more weapons to the world
then all other countries.
3 The U S A spends more in weapons then all
other countries combined.
4 Israels weapons are made in the U S A

Now go sell stupid somewhere else, here in the real world people are not is not interested in your delusional rhetoric.

Gazauschwitz.

Hammas obviosly doesn't care if civilians die. If they simply agreed to stop firing missles into Israel the offensive will stop. Irregardles of which side of this conflict you are on, this is a no brainer. I have sympathy for the innocents who are caught in the crossfire but what other choice is there for Israel? Hammas won't be satisfied until every Jew is dead!

Israel has fallen into a trap... too gung-ho, cold as ice and arrogant politicians too eager to get elected - and the blood, horror and desperation visible to everybody incl. white phosphorus bombs and DIMEs is exactly what the extremists want the world to see... OK just keep going... the resulting anger, hate and desperation is just about to create the Karmic equivalent of an Abrams tank the size of a Jupiter moon: it may move very slowly but if or when one day it directs its attention to Israel it won't be pretty.

Here's a simple recipe how to stop the Israeli attack: STOP FIRING ROCKETS. As simple as that -- More than 3500 rockets were launched to Israeli cities during 2008 (the year of the HUDNA, one of many Arabic words for ceasefire...): How long would YOU accept to restrain from military response? One week? Two? Ten? can you imagine EIGHT YEARS, in which more than one million citizens are alerted several times a day "get-a-shelter-in-20-seconds"? Where have UN, EU, US Uname-it, during those eight years? What exactly did you expect, as Israel is facing non-stop attacks, from a terror group which claims its goal is to destruct the state of Israel and kill all Jews?
I'm sure Syria will tolerate a daily attack for years.... YEHHHH...

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/hamas_e017.pdf

16. Networks belonging to Fatah/Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades were the most prominent and
central in violating the lull arrangement. Their motivation was the desire to show themselves
as the standard bearers of the “resistance” (i.e., terrorism) and to send a message of
defiance to Hamas, their rivals, even though Fatah in Judea and Samaria renounced the
attacks.5 In certain instances the Palestinian Islamic Jihad or other organizations fired
rockets. In most instances they did not publicly claim responsibility. Such attacks were
motivated by deep internal Palestinian rivalries, especially between Fatah and Hamas, and not
responses to “violations” on the part of Israel.
17. During the first period Hamas was careful to maintain the ceasefire and its operatives
were not involved in rocket attacks. At the same time, the movement tried to enforce the
terms of the arrangement on the other terrorist organizations and to prevent them from
violating it. Hamas took a number of steps against networks which violated the arrangement,
but in a limited fashion and contenting itself with short-term detentions and confiscating
weapons. For example, a number of times Hamas’s security services detained Fatah/Al-Aqsa
Martyrs Brigades operatives, including Abu Qusai, an Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades spokesman,
who claimed responsibility for rocket fire (June 29). Detained operatives were released after a
short interrogation and no real measures were taken against them. However, it was clear that
throughout the first period Hamas sought to avoid direct confrontations with the rogue
organizations (especially the PIJ) insofar as was possible, lest it be accused of collaborating
with Israel and harming the “resistance.” Hamas therefore focused on using politics to
convince the organizations to maintain the lull arrangement and on seeking support for it
within Gazan public opinion (including issuing statements by its activists regarding the lull’s
achievements).
5

This discussion is interesting, though not surprising, for the belligerence of the pro-Israel writers. I wonder how many are simply Americans who have been totally misinformed by a mass media that is mostly a collection of professional liars and their useful idiots and how many are AIPAC stringers - professional and semi-professional media hit persons.

In Europe it is much more widely understood that Israel is being run by what is best termed "The Greater Israel Gang". This crew has it's history in the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang units. It is intent on expanding Israel's territory to the limits of the mythical empire of King Solomon.

It is important to remember that the founders of the state of Israel came from Europe and North America. They were not indigenous to that region in 1948. That state now has the right to remain within the pre-1967 boundaries but the occupation of the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza are illegal under International Law. All of this is quite simply a land grab and a slow extermination of the people who live there and get in the way.

Hamas was after all elected by the people Palestine despite major support from the EU, IDF and US to support their rivals in Fatah. Of course Fatah was the main boogy-man until the Israeli security services promoted Hamas and it got away on them.

No matter though. Israel is loosing the public relations war world wide no matter how shrilly the children of the Irgun scream.

I wonder where Mr Mouyabed has been for the past eight years? If he has not read of the constant rain of missiles and mortar shells on the civilian areas of the Negev Desert bordering Gaza then his media must be at fault or he must be deliberately avoiding the knowledge.

There is a military base near Gaza and if the intention was to engage militarily it would have been chosen as target, even such imperfect weapons as qassams can be roughly directed even if not aimed. However Hamas deliberately chose the child-rich civilian towns as targets. It is remarkable how over the past two weeks the more accurate Grad missiles have struck schools, kindergartens and places of education.

Three quarters of the Israeli children involved are suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome as a result of growing up under the barrage. They jump at the sound of a slammed door, wet their beds when something startles them. They have never been privileged to swim outdoors or to ride their bicycles to visit their friends. Each moment of every day of their lives is calculated to shorten the time spent unprotected outdoors.

We in Israel regret every injured and dead Palestinian child and many have been taken into our hospitals for treatment, as we have always done, in peace and war. Our soldiers are charged to avoid civilian casualties and drop leaflets advising where they are to attack, make telephone calls where possible, drop dud missiles at a safe distance to warn civilians, all this losing them the element of surprise, to prevent harming the civilians, in this war where we are protecting our children.

The Hamas deliberately target our children. We attempt to save their children harm. Can anything describe the difference between us more clearly.

I see the nonsense that Hamas leaders are hiding under Shifa Hospital persists. It's tiresome to have to keep refuting the shrill rumors, especially when demolishing the argument makes the righties say, "See? That proves my point!!" for everything you say.

Believe me, a hospital is no impediment to Israeli attack. If they'd shoot at a school, or an ambulance, or a UN Aid vehicle, why would they balk at a hospital? If Hamas leaders were really hiding there, they'd just drop a JDAM on it and say - in horrified tones - that it was an accident. Somebody, probably Hamas, gave them the wrong coordinates, to make them look bad. Then they'd point out that the wounded who remained were treated in Israeli hospitals by kindly Israeli doctors and nurses. Alternatively, they'd send a squad or two in to kill them, at the very least. This is just a nutty rumor started by Little Green Footballs, or another of the hard-right blogs.

Did you notice where this guy is? Syria! That's not Gaza. Somebody suggested that if the Israelis really controlled the media, you'd see footage of the rocket damage. Given that only a handful out all the rockets fired have actually hit anything or caused real damage, I think we've seen a good bit of such footage. Don't forget the video of Hamas rocketeers firing rockets from the UN schoolyard - except that it was more than a year old and a different school in a different town, and Israel conceded that was so.

You still are not getting the real picture of what's going on in Gaza, because no western journalists are allowed in unless they embed with the IDF. For their safety, probably, although it conveniently assures they will see nothing but Israeli restraint and magnanimity.

It's not Israel alone that is completely out of touch with reality, its AIPAC. This blind belief that Hamas's sole aim is to destroy Israel (even if it could!), means that not one single supporter of Israel ever, ever looks at the root causes of the conflict nor ever considers the occupation of Palestinian land as a genuine grievance.

Ultimately the US and Israel send out a clear message to every other country: they can kill people anywhere and everywhere in the world with absolute impunity, they can disregard international law and conventions, they can stick two fingers up at the U.N. and ALL U.N. resolutions.

Why? Because they have the most powerful weapons on earth. If that's not an incentive to proliferate for other meglamaniacs, I don't know what is.

Sundance4, please come back

Sundance4,

"Dear Sami The Syrian Stooge", I love that. Sums it all up.

sundance4, are you real? what were you doing in Jordan?

Ok, let be clear on who is a coward and who is hiding under skirts once and for all. The so called coward Hamas, are all cramped into a Ghetto with nowhere to run or hide. Hamas has only rocket propelled grenades, rifles and some home made IED's. Furthermore they are defending themselves from the occupation. The brave Israelis who only have to say Boo and scare them into submission first send in their Fighter jets to bomb them, then the Helicopters to bomb them some more, then they fire artillery, finally, after they thing that all are dead they come in with Tanks. Oh yeah, real brave and manly. Can anyone see the real COWARDS.

Not that I care, but I agree with Super- Joe, we have better thing to worry about, and to spend our money in the USA, and we are getting pretty tired of the rhetoric on both sides USA, USA.

Yeah, Israel has hardened its heart is using wildly disproportionate force and killing large numbers of civilians. But Hamas uses civilians as shields. What a waste of time to just criticize Israel.

JUST FOR A GOOD MEASURE... sundance4 YOU ARE THE BRILLIANT ONE!!!

"captn_ahab", you have made a brilliant point!!!
I have lived in Jordan for five years, and am in a position to tell you that the media in the Arab world is an instrument of incitement that prey on their collective self-loathing.
Reason is so rare in the Arab world that it is often mistaken for compassion, but in reality, there is no reason just as there is no compassion... just hatred and jealousy.

sundance4 YOU ARE THE BRILLIANT ONE!!!

"captn_ahab", you have made a brilliant point!!!
I have lived in Jordan for five years, and am in a position to tell you that the media in the Arab world is an instrument of incitement that prey on their collective self-loathing.
Reason is so rare in the Arab world that it is often mistaken for compassion, but in reality, there is no reason just as there is no compassion... just hatred and jealousy.

Mr. Moubayyad claims:
"According to Hamas, only 10 of its fighters have been killed, while Israel claims the number is closer to 300 (out of a total of almost 4000 casualties)."

Should this statistic be counted for or against Hamas? Would not such a claim by Hamas give credence to the claim by some that the different militias in Gaza are hiding behind women and children?

sundance4: Actually, here in the US many of us remember that we went to Lebanon to bail out the Israelis. Out of THAT fiasco, which included the massacre at the Sabra/Shatilla refugee camps, Israel gave us Hizballah!

It seems to me that if anything even one as rational as you would search for an alternate solution. The current tactic has failed every tie it has been implemented. Insanity, someone said, is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.

As for "we hope that one day Israel will rain destruction on you to such an extent that we will have to dig Bashar from a rat hole just like we did with his despicable friend from Iraq... ": that is thenbravado of impotence.

captn_ahab wrote "Does he really believe that pictures of wounded children prove that Israel is targeting children?" It so happens that we KNOW that Israel restricted women and children in a building and then fired on it. That is not just targetting them, that is a massacre.

The lack of logic is in refusing to accept the simple fact.

It is great to hear a more balanced and realistic view rather than the constant drum of biased information. If my land had been occupied for decades, another country controlled the land, sea and airspace, controlled access to drinking water, controlled who goes in and out the area, built a wall treating my people like caged animals, didn't allow students given Fulbrights by the U.S. state department to study in the U.S., and waged a completely disproportionate war in which 12 Israelis and about 920 palestinians were killed, (including attacks targeting UN refugee centers) I'd be more than angry and i'm sure--if put in that caged situation--you would be too. I'm tired of people blindly taking Israel at its word (we don't want to re-occupy we only want to get rid of the democratically elected government in Gaza). Right.

It's beginning to appear that the military operation on Gaza was all about Obama's inauguration and nothing else. How pathetic and crass.

Egypt is supposedly negotiating a truce. But if Israel refuses to sit down and talk directly to Hamas how can this process be called a negotiation? If the proposal was put together without conferring with Hamas where is the "negotiation"? If Egypt will not even confer with other Arab governments besides the Saudis (i.e., their rejection of thie planned Qatari meeting) where is the transparency in this process? If the UN secretary general refuses to acknowledge Hamas where is the fairness? This is an imposition that Egypt is trying to shove down their throats at the behest of Israel and the US.

The Western media keeps saying that Hamas violently took over Gaza from Abbas' forces. However, as the leaders of a democratically elected government they already had a measure of legal authority there. The truth is, they had de facto control for years--the PLA, Israel and the US couldn't handle it.

Much is made of Hamas' charter and it's goal of eliminating the state of Israel. But, it appears clear that Israel's and their allies' refusal to "recognize" Hamas is at the heart of this problem. This is a recipe designed for failure.

I wonder how anyone could say that Hamas are heroes while hiding behind the skirts of their civilian victims. They are all talk and run like rats hiding in their holes waiting for the civilians to be butchered because of their cowardice. I respect Muslims but not the Hamas.

This article is absolute garbage and its author is the one who is clearly out of touch. The Hamas cowards hide behind women and children, and are directly responsible for all civilian deaths. Even now as Israeli ground troops enter Gaza, the brave Hamas leaders are hiding under Shifa hospital like rats. Go Israel, the world thanks you for ridding the world of this scum.

An eye, three teeth, an arm and a foot for a tooth.

Thank you Sir for telling it as it is. These little half-witted Zionists do not represent American public opinion, nor do hey have anything in common with decent Americans. Quite frankly, they are members of the Israeli Hasbara Brigade, recruited by the Israeli foreign ministry to silence anyone who dares criticize Israel or speak of the war crimes it’s committing against the poor Palestinians. They are, in brief, a disgrace to mankind and to their families, and bring nothing but shame to the Jewish people.

By such disproportionate killing of innocent men, women and children, Israel is now ranked as a terrorist state par excellence, for its bombs and missiles are targeting not just Palestinian homes, schools and mosques, but also medical clinics belonging to Christian Aid and the Catholic relief group Caritas – no wonder the international community and the Human Rights groups, including many prominent Jewish leaders, are this time determined to bring war crime charges against Olmert, Livni and Barak. I pray and hope that they will bring these mass murderers and their supporters to justice before long.

As for you, little Zionist propagandists, click here to hear what an honorable Jewish Rabbi has to say about the true nature of Israel:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7pPq1C5s0SY

"1,800. No political gain in the world--neither for Israel or for Hamas--would ever be worth that number of deaths."

What a bizarre statement! If I lived in the rocketed portions of Israel, I would think these deaths of the enemy would be totally justified to stop the threat to me. I doubt if Hamas even blinks at the thought of 1800 dead. The more the better for propaganda purposes.

Moubayed is the one out of touch here (as usual). The blood of each of the hundreds killed and thousands wounded is on the hands of Hamas. None of this would have happened if those murderous terrorists took their precious territory and ran it in peace and quiet, instead of turning it into a viper's nest, ultimately leaving Israel no choice.

Moubayed is a unique animal. On the rational level, he understands that Israel wants nothing to do with Gaza, and that the driving force behind the carnage is the Hamas. And yet he is unable to pin the blame where it belongs. Is that something inherent in his upbringing as an Arab, or is he merely conditioned, like a trained puppy, to always do the bidding of his lord and master Bashar El-Assad?

As to Peres, I don't know what possessed him to go on Al-Jazeera. The man is just unable to resist a microphone put in front of him. Our Administration has learned pretty quickly that Al-Jazeera is a propaganda outlet, and stopped giving it interviews.

Either we agree or disagree who's right an who's not, there are facts that we cannot avoid. There is a thing call "INTERNET".

Israel used "The Propaganda Machine" wisely with the "Holocaust". It seems that The Arabs have learned the lesson pretty good.

Unless Israel win the propaganda war (a very hard task with all this pictures of children, women, even UN and Red Cross workers killed without mention 'white fosforus") Israel is just garanteeing more war and more hatred upon them.

So, let them fight. and I hope God listen to USA and Israel and destroy the entire Palestine land and it's neighbors with a couple of mushroom clouds, deliver by the heroic people of Israel.

Best thing about this mess, is that most Americans could care less about what happens to either side, so long as the U.S. stays completely out of it. Same thing goes for Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Sudan or Darfur. Unfortunately, we are not yet disengaged, but one hopes we will be soon. We have better things to do with our time and money right here at home, and no national interest in sticking our nose under the tents in central Asia and the middle east.

Guys, have you noticed that two days after Israel struck back at these ugly bastards, virtually all the arabs on TV turned into some type of expert "international lawyers"... experts on "human rights," intellectuals on subjects like "reciprocity" and "proportional response..."

yeh, they might fool other arabs but here, in the Good Old US of A we are sick and tired of their violent threats and terrorist acts. lets make our voices heard and unleash Israel's might

Mr. Moubayed writes:

"One week ago, Israeli President Shimon Peres appeared on Al-Jazeera TV, saying that no Palestinian civilians were being targeted in Gaza, and asking the anchor, Mohammad Kreshan, "Why are they doing this to us; why don't they want us to live in peace? We are not targeting children; they are!" The Doha-based Arabic channel--running the interview live on air--immediately sliced the screen in half and showed footage of blood-stained Palestinian children, some blown into pieces, challenging the Israeli President's argument."

Does he really believe that pictures of wounded children prove that Israel is targeting children?

That completely lacks any logic.

If that is the kind of logic that pervades the Arab world, then how is it possible to negotiate a peace deal?

Mr. Moubayed has betrayed the lack of clear thiniking that must exist in the Arab world, if this tactic by al Jazeera is accepted as a proof of Israeli perfidy.

Shame on you for pretending to be an educated man and writing nonsense.

Dear Sami The Syrian Stooge,
here, in the US, we haven't forgotten the Syrian complicity in bombing our Marine Barracks in Beirut (1983)... we hope that one day Israel will rain destruction on you to such an extent that we will have to dig Bashar from a rat hole just like we did with his despicable friend from Iraq...

Israel is not fighting a war, Israel is committing Genocide. Proportionality ? Using phosphorous bombs in comparison to primitive missiles? Do the Palestinians have Fighter jets, Tanks, Helicopters, and Nuclear Weapons? Get real.

I agree my suggestion was from 'left field'. I was just trying to think outside the box a bit. Sometimes is adds perspective.

Let's try not to clutter the conversation too much. I do think that it is the behavior of hamas, and its policy of liquidating israel, that makes Israels treatment of gaza more strict than west bank. After their coup in June 07 they are in charge there. I think the humiliations you refer to have a lot to do with this.

How can their be peace if hamas wants war?

"What if there were to be an agreement where a battery of katyushas was set up in Israel linked to a network of artillery radar stations along the border with gaza. Whenever a rocket or mortar was fired into Israel, a similar number of katyushas would be sent barreling over randomly into gaza.

Would that be the poetic force proportionality everyone craves to see from Israel?"

This comment obviously isn't entirely serious, but it also evidences part of the problem with the way the conflict is seen in the U.S. The problem with this way of looking at it is that it doesn't take into account the daily humiliations and oppression that the Palestinians are forced to endure. The Israelis and Palestinians are not fighting a conflict on some neutral, ahistorical playing field. There is already a daily systemic violence foisted upon the Palestinians. This violence goes utterly unacknowledged in the media. Maybe because rockets are more exciting to talk about...

Israel's leadership is totally in touch with its intrinsic right to self defense. I hope and pray that Israel will not quit this time until it has destroyed every rocket, weapon, and tunnel used by Hamas. Israel should not return to the days of meaningless ceasefires and meaningless dialogue with those who do not recognize its very right to existence. It is the so-called "Palestinians" (who are not a separate people in any reasonable sense), who do not have the right to another separate nation. They should be reabsorbed by the numerous nearby Arab and other Muslim nations just as Israel absorbed the hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled from Muslim countries. The disupted terroritories which Israel won in battle should be converted into largely unpopulated demilitarized areas. Perhaps these could be under international control.

What if there were to be an agreement where a battery of katyushas was set up in Israel linked to a network of artillery radar stations along the border with gaza. Whenever a rocket or mortar was fired into Israel, a similar number of katyushas would be sent barreling over randomly into gaza.

Would that be the poetic force proportionality everyone craves to see from Israel?

Violence is not going to solve anything for both sides in Gaza. It is a pity that Israel, who does have the upper hand, does not use its superiority to impose mutual peace. What Israel is doing now is creating more hatred, more fundamentalism, more carnage for future generations of Palestinians and for future years. I do not believe this is the right solution. Israel is pushing back any final settlement of the Mideast crisis for another 100 years at least, instead of trying to sit down and negotiate for a final overall Mideast peace in a year!

What can I say?

This time around Israel appears to be on very weak ground. An entire world is looking and wondering how we can let this happen?

Who can stop it? Why don't they?

The difference really is information. Palestinians can send out images of what is happening to them. That did not happen at Sabra and Chatilla, nor at Qana.

In the past the Israelis always controlled the propoganda. This time they are losing it.