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the question must be asked and the truth must be told.
The question is why? Why would the God of Abraham, Isaac, Moses, and Jesus, need a child rapist to violate every principal that had been given to the Jews and Christians over the last 3,000 years?
Why would God, who spent more than 2,500 years grooming the Jews, saving them from slavery at the hands of Egyptians, taking them to freedom, defeating every enemy they had, and then fulfilling the long disclosed prophesy of a Messiah, [ok the Jews don't believe that part] create a religion that hated the very people God protected? Why would God, who gave the world Jesus, who told the world that the most important commandment after the love of God, and then tell us that loving thy neighbor as thyself was the next most important commandment, now needed to be replaced by the concept of hate, torture, kidnaping, ransoms, murder and forced conversions? And why would that same God, who now had Jews and Christians doing well, need another religion to hate them and seek to murder them?
The answer is - God did not need to do it and God did not do it!
mohamad's first lie was his assertion that he was a decedent of Abraham through Ishmael, the bastard son of Abraham and his wife's maid, Hagar. Other than moho saying it, there is not one shred of proof that it is correct. Nothing at all. While the Jews can trace their own history, and there is no doubt that Jesus was a Jew, and went through all of the required rituals of Judaism, there is nothing to help with the lie of moho, re Ishmael, for which no proof exists.
And after Jesus what the world really needed was a child rapist named moho - and yes having sex with a 9 year old is rape, to father another religion. No one that young has any capacity to consent to sex, they would not even know what they were allegedly consenting to. And then there are the lessons of moho. This alleged god commanded islamics to hate every Jew or Christian or Hindu [who did not even know of islam when they first declared war on the others] do not associate with them, do not be friends with them, do not work with them, but to take them prisoners, hold them for ransom, sell them into slavery, torture them, cut off their body parts, and if they don't join your religion, well just kill them. Why in the hell would any God, after the coming of the Prince of Peace, decide that a constant state of war - islam has been at war with the rest of the world for 1400 year, and hate and murder, was the way to go?
The answer is - NO GOD, but the DEVIL sure loves it.
What group of people has provided more fodder for hell than islam and those that follow it. And they do it so well too. If people tell them that forced conversions are wrong, millions march in the street for what they say is their god given right to murder to increase their numbers, and demand death for anyone who says they can't kill you if you will not convert.
And they hate their children too. Even now they use characters like Mickey Mouse to teach little children that strapping bombs onto themselves and blowing up other children, just because they are Jewish, is what the islamic god wants them to do.
So let me be plain. islam is not a religion it's a cult. moho is not a prophet, he is a child raping terrorist, that pretended he had a religion to contradict real religious beauty, and which then and now has as its only goal, conquest and slavery. And in 1400 years it never did anything else. Its time to put an end to islam, and to quit pretending its anything but a terrorist organization bent on conquest. Its time the world took what ever action was needed to put a final stop to islam and its cult of death.

Matthew Brown.
It is amazing opportunity for a exchange of opinions and informations. There is lot to learn otherwise it is time wasted.
I hope you are an independent thinker.
Tell me which one you think is a religion of Peace.
You will soon realize its so much more complicated.
Finally don't forget there is a price for Peace.
This is why every country has its Armed Forces.

I am sorry to say seems to me you did not meet the right Muslims. I would invite you to a discussion with a open heart and mind.
Read some good books. Books from eminent historians. Lanepoole,Hitti,Gibbons,Karen Armstrong,Lt.Gen Sir John Glubb etc.
READ :(after all this is the first line of the Koran as it was revealed to Mohammad).

Mohamed MALLECK it is time for you to see a phsychiatrist... Muslims are hypocrits.. I have heard from so many people that Islam is the religion of peace. Well maybe you DO NOT know what peace is. It is actually when people DO NOT FIGHT... so the terrorism being done is not actually peace.... just wanted you to know.

Six million Red Indians were decimated in this country by some estimates.
They were warriors and could not be enslaved.
Yes the white man came with superior weaponry.
But would you call them "terrorist bound on conquest."
Muslims have a clear understanding of the laws of war and peace.
It is "haram" to be an oppressor and it is equally "haram" to be an oppressed.
Many muslim conquerers have not followed the dictates of their religion just like many Christians conquerers have not followed the teachings of Christ.
Islam is the worlds 2nd biggest religion.
Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion.
It is an universal religion.
It is a very diversified religion. It has embraced hundreds of different ethnic and linguistic groups.
So what do you mean when you say "I dont mind going to war with Islam".
By the way History has shown that no religion can be obliterated by force.
If this were true the Jews would not have survived for 2000 years.
I may add I also believe that no religion can be spread by force alone.

yes they were impressive conquests, no doubt. but it shows how islam was spread, by the sword, and that is how it will be defeated.
im not going to say im sorry for having better weapons than you.
but when islam says they get to keep something because they took it, well they get to lose it the same way, so quit crying about it.
i dont mind going to war with islam, its what you want and im for it. so dont pretend you are just some religion that has the right to pillage and kill when ever you want to and expect to fall back on that we are a religion crap. you are a terrorist organization bound on conquest, old and large, but one that can be taken out.

To Frank Collins
More of India.

You have listed impressive military victories by the Muslims from Spain to India.
You mentioned Italy and France but I did not see Vienna.

Here I would like to compare Mohammad Bin Qasim with Paul L Bremer.

Mohammad Bin Qasim was a 18 year old Arab Prince who sailed from Basra with 6000 Syrian soldiers under his command.
In less than 2 years he conquered Sind and Punjab.
By the time he was in Multan he had 30,000 soldiers had flocked under his banner.
Mostly low caste Hindus considered "untouchables".
He too had come to hunt for Pirates and terrorists who had plagued the shipping lanes.
Or this may just be an excuse or may be his intelligence messed up (like George Tenents').

Consider that in those days wars were fought with swords and spears and bows and arrows.
No F16 no Apache helicopters etc. No "shock and awe" in terms of Military hardware.
What he achieved was phenomenal.

He changed the Geography of the place renamed the streets, changed the calender,changed the customs and traditions,changed the dress and even the diet. He changed even the names and the nomenclature,changed the language and the literature.
He permanently changed the region he conquered in less than 2 years. Today his name is revered in the land and the biggest sea port of Karachi in Pakistan is named Port Qasim.
To 160 million Pakistanis he is a Hero.
You as a Hindu may not like him and that's understandable. I would like you to tell me of a Hindu Warrior who achieved as much in both War and Peace.
I can think of many Christian conquerers with similar achievements.
If I was a Hindu I would be very depressed at such a lousy record of spineless subjugation.
Have you no shame. You make it look like it was "their fault".
You owe your freedom to the British who ruled over you for 200 years from so far away.
Now that you are free you feel bitter about your past. Your anger Sir is displaced in the wrong direction. You should analyse why you got screwed in the first place.
And now you are begging the Americans to look at you favorably.
The Chinese too did nothing for over a thousand years but at least they are more self respecting and unlike the Hindus do not start drooling in front of the Europeans and Americans.

By the way Paul L.Bremer also ruled for 2 years.

alcib god never goes to hell - you will never meet him.

Rami

The Muslims applaud you. God willing, you will prevail. Even as Americans, we must hide our names. I cannot legally help you as the Jews can help a terrorist Israel, openly and wantonly. After all, they say you are a terrorist and they are the Chosen of God. If I meet God, I will ask him.

cohen
there was not a battle with 700,000 at one time much less 700,000 killed in one day. but i wish it was true. that is what invaders get. you act like spain should have been just so happy to have the scum of the middle east occupy their country. get used to it, at the rate you are going there will be millions more dead islamics, and each of them will deserve it.

ok moho i read your statement - my answer is
yawn.

moho
i dont intend to let islamic lies stand without posting the truth and if you quit posting lies, well i will still post the truth because i want the innocent who have not seen it to realize what scum islam is, and how they intend to attack and kill, when ever they can.
get used to me - im your worst enemy - i am the truth.

What Muslims do or did not necessarily all islamic. Same with Christianity; during crusade, 700,000 moors were slaughtered by Christian crusaders in one day; the street of Spain was flowing with Muslims blood. Still today, Mosque of Cordova; no more a mosque is a sign of caricature of cruel crusaders.

Even in India, those who twist the historcial facts with great fanfare; Moghuls ruled India for 600 years. Of course there were wars and devestation due to discontent. But damage is not as much as hypocrite historian hyped.In fact, British Emperor ruled Inida for 200 years and more people paid with their lives - war, famine and injustice.

Get this straight, Moghuls lived in India & they posper India's growth; TajMahal is a glorious example. British rules India, they sucked India's wealth and finest textile industry destroyed.

Those who blame Moghuls forecible prosetilyzed Hindus are gorssly wrong. Low caste hindus, the oppressed hindus attracted to Islam due to social deprivation of Hindu caste system. During their 600 years of rule, less than 1% of the total population was Muslim.

Still in India, Muslims are grossly oppressed.

MORE OF INDIA,

Is it not time for you to see a psychiatrist?

See my reply to Frank Collins.

My grand-parents were most likely Hindu.

They were wise enough to become Muslims. How proud I feel about that decision of theirs, most likely made during the early part of the nineteenth century.

Note that I am not saying that Hinduism in its original form is in any way inferior to Islam. That I don't know. What I am saying (and the former President of India, Radhakrishnan would agree with me) is that the PRACTICE of Hinduism, including the "suttee", the atrocities of the caste system, the ferocious exploitation because one's domination of others in this life is supposed to be sanctified by one's station in the current phase of the cycle of reincarnation.

To Frank Collins,

Again and again, you repeat the same insane rant as if you are afraid that, if you don't repeat them their falsity will be revealed for the whoel world to notice and that will be the end of you.

I invite you to read my post under the comment on the same topic made by Ms. Adonis from Qatar.

You may then ask me for more clarifications, about Ismael Haniyeh, about Ronnie Kasrils, about Marwan Barghouti, about Chief Justice Ismael Mohammad, about my family's long stay in South Africa, about my life in the Middle-East, about my experience as a Muslim hailing from India, etc.

I promise you, I shall tell you only the truth, nothing but the truth. And then you will judge. You CAN, YOU CAN, Sir, be more understanding than a parrot.

Notice its always the right-wing nutjobs who love to cut & paste reams of text, instead of using their brain to think and argue with an original thought.

Kudos to South Africa for the invite. Been there, done that.

When will you ask Hamas to make the same kind of concessions you demand that Israel and the United States make to them?

You are hypocrites and blind fools -- ignoring both the plain spoken language of hate that comes from Hamas and their actions to continue to kill as many Jews as they can get to. You aren't interested in peace, all you want to do is support terrorists in their quest to kill. Stupid is as stupid does.

Meaningful dialog at the breadth, depth and height required to dissolve the wall between hardline Israelis and Palestinians will not come through mouthing doctrine, higher walls and more illegitimate settlements, but through patient and persistent words and actions such as progressive leaders and their supporters on both sides have exhibited over time. Kudos to them individually and collectively with the odds stacked as high as they are against them. South Africa has overcome these odds. So have Germany and Ireland. It takes years more to reduce the remnants of evil within these culture once the walls come down. The U.S. has only to look at its slow advance away from slavery to civil rights and beyond to the present crisis of national morality we face. Peace is inevitable. That is the good news. Until peace is effected at the highest levels, violence is inevitable and no national doctrine will bring an end to it. That is human nature at work, not party affiliation. "Palestine" by Jimmy Carter should be read by every American concerned with reducing the terrorist threat to our land. Parts of the Iraq Study Report hark to what is necessary as well. The funding (PAC money) driving U.S. foreign policy should be a nightly news topic given the serious threats that have been made against us because of our foreign policy in the Middle East. Why our foreign policy is what it is needs more exploration and dialog at every level. Meanwhile, what better nation than South Africa to extend a long-overdue statesmanlike hand to a people who have grievously endured (and are enduring) a tortured path to a better life as did many a person of Jewish ancestry (and other "minority" ancestries) both before and after this, our collective major crisis of the past 50 years.

it is a list of loving attention given by the carious islamics who ran the place when they could:
Mahmud of Gaznavi
(From the accounts of arikh-i-Yamini of Utbi the secretary of Mahmud of Gaznavi)

At Thaneshwar.
"The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously at Thanesar that the stream was discolored, not withstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count. Praise be to Allah for the honor he bestows on Islam and Muslims."

At Somnath
"The Muslims paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels and worshipers of sun and fire.... The number of infidels killed exceeded 50,000"

At Mathura
"The infidels...deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river...but many of them were slain, taken or drowned... Nearly fifty thousand men were killed."

Mahmud of Ghori
(from Hasan Nizami's Taj-ul-Maasir)
Kol (Modern Aligarh)
"Those of the horizon who were wise and acute were converted to Islam, but those who stood by their ancestoral faith were slain with the sword"

Kol (Modern Aligarh)

20,000 prisoners were taken and made slaves
'Three bastions were raised as high as heaven with their heads and their carcases became food for the beasts of prey

Kalinjar
50,000 prisoners were taken as slaves
Varnasi or Kasi (Benaras) :
Kamil-ut-Tawarikh of Ibn Asir records,
"The slaughter of Hindus (at Varanasi) was immense; none were spared except women and children,(who were taken into slavery) and the carnage of men went on until the earth was weary."

Zahiru'd-Din Muhammed Babur (1526 C.E. - 1520 C.E.)
Babur's Own Words on Killing Hindus:
For the sake of Islam I became a wanderer,
I battled infidels and Hindus,
I determined to become a maryr
Thank God I became a Killer of Non-Muslims!

From Baburnama, the Memoires of Babur Himself:
In AH 934 (2538 C.E.) I attacked Chanderi and by the grace of Allah captured it in a few hours. We got the infidels slaughtered and the place which had be Daru'l-Harb (nation of non-muslim) for years was made into a Daru'l-Islam (muslim nation).

Guru Nanak on Babur's atrocities:
Source:Rag Asa Guru Nanak Dev witnessed first hand the atrocities Babur committed on Hindus and recorded them in his poems. He says: Having attacked Khuraasaan, Babar terrified Hindustan. The Creator Himself does not take the blame, but has sent the Mugal as the messenger of death. There was so much slaughter that the people screamed. Didn't You feel compassion, Lord? pg (360)

On the condition of Hindu women in Babur's monster rule:
Those heads adorned with braided hair, with their parts painted with vermillion - those heads were shaved with scissors, and their throats were choked with dust.They lived in palatial mansions, but now, they cannot even sit near the palaces.... ropes were put around their necks, and their strings of pearls were broken. Their wealth and youthful beauty, which gave them so much pleasure, have now become their enemies. The order was given to the soldiers, who dishonored them, and carried them away. If it is pleasing to God's Will, He bestows greatness; if is pleases His Will, He bestows punishment pg(417-18)

On the nature of Mughal rule under Babur:
First, the tree puts down its roots, and then it spreads out its shade above. The kings are tigers, and their officials are dogs; they go out and awaken the sleeping people to harass them. The public servants inflict wounds with their nails. The dogs lick up the blood that is spilled. Source:Rag Malar, (pg.1288)

From an article by Dr. Harsh Narain on Muslim Testimony (Indian Express 2/26/90):
Since the establishment of Zahiru'd-Din Ghazi's rule, officers and religious leaders spread Islam vigorously desteroying the Hindu faith. We cleared the filth of Hinduism from Faizabad and Avadh.

Sultan Firuz Shah Tughlaq
(from Insha-i-Mahry by Amud Din Abdullah bin Mahru)
Delhi: -a punishment in detail (from Tarikh-i-Firuz Shahi)

"A report was brought to the Sultan than there was in Delhi an old Brahman who persisted in publicly performing the worship of idols in his house and that people of the city, both Muslims and Hindus used to resort to his house to worship the idol. The Brahman had constructed a wooden tablet which was covered within and without with paintings of demons and other objects. An order was accordingly given to the Brahman and was brought before Sultan.The true faith was declared to the Brahman and the right course pointed out. but he refused to accept it. A pile was risen on which the Kaffir with his hands and legs tied was thrown into and the wooden tablet on the top. The pile was lit at two places his head and his feet. The fire first reached him in the feet and drew from him a cry and then fire completley enveloped him. Behold Sultan for his strict adherence to law and rectitude."

Delhi : (after Hindus paid the toleration tax (zar-i zimmiya) and poll-tax(jizya) they were foolish enough to build their temples.so...) "Under divine guidance I (Sultan) destroyed these temples and I killed the leaders of these infedility and others I subjected to stripes and chastisement "

Gohana (Haryana):
"Some Hindus had erected a new idol-temple in the village of Kohana and the idolaters used to assemble there and perform their idolatrous rites. These people were seized and brought before me. I ordered that the perverse conduct of these leaders of this wickedness be punished by publicly abd that they should be put to deathe before the gate of the palace."

Jajnagar:(Expedition objectives as stated by Sultan: Source:Ainn-ul-Mulk)

massacring the unbelievers

demolishing their temples

hunting the elephants

getting a glimpse of their enchanting country

Orissa:'Sirat-i-Firoz Shahi' records his expedition with the following words:
"Nearly 100,000 men of Jajnagar had taken refuge with their women, children, kinsmen and relations The swordsmen of Islam turned the island into a basin of blood by the massacre of the unbelievers. Women with babies and pregnant ladies were haltered, manacled, fettered and enchained, and pressed as slaves into service in the house of every soldier."
The Jihads of Shihabuddin,
the Sultankalka of Ghur

Around 1140, the Islamized Turko-Mongol chiefs of the Shansabanid tribe occupied Ghor in Afghanistan. Initially it was a vassal of the Ghaznavid Sultans, but around 1130 it came into conflict with them, after one of the leading Shansabanid nobles was murdered by the Ghaznavid Sultan, Bahram. A ferocious war ensued between the Sultans of Ghor and Ghazni, till Alla-ud-din Ghori invaded Ghazni with his entire cavalry and wrested it from Bahram. Alla-ud-din sacked the Indian spoils that Mahmud had placed there, massacred the city’s population in a 7-day killing spree and subsequently burnt it down. The next Ghaznavid Sultan, Khushro Maliq was driven out of Afghanistan by a coalition of Oghuz Turks and the Ghorids in 1157, and the Oghuz took Ghazni. The sons of Alla-ud-din, Ghiyas-ud-din Mu’azz-ud-din Ghori and Shihab-ud-din Muhammad Ghori defeated the Oghuz and annexed Ghazni in 1174. Ghiyas-ud-din, crowned himself Sultan, and appointed his brother Sultankalka. Shihab-ud-din was assigned the task of extending the kingdom to the East and he naturally gravitated towards India. 13 bloody campaigns that ravaged Northern India followed:

• Early in 1175 he invaded Punjab and sacked and burned Uch...(1)

• In 1178 he advanced south and marched towards Gujarat, but here the Indians acted quickly and rallying under the western chAlukya king MUlarAja II routed the Islamic forces completely forcing him to retreat...(2)

• In 1179 Ghori sent a message to PrithivirAja chAhamAna to make common cause with him against the Chalukyas. Prithivaraj however, wise disregarding his foolish minister, kadambavAsa’s advise to make a common cause with Ghori, preemptively attacked NaDDula and reconquered it from the Moslems.

• Shihab recovered in 1180 and invaded Sindh and ravaged the population carrying away much loot...(3)

• Then Shihabuddin Muhammad, quickly followed it up in 1181 and 1184 with two invasions of Lavapura (Lahore) accompanied with much slaughter...(4+5)

• In 1186 he invaded the Ghaznavid occupied Punjab and defeated the Sultan Khushro Maliq and wrested Punjab...(6)

• 1188 The Ghur Sultankalka invaded the ChAhamAna kingdom and sacked the fort of Tabarhindah killing the Hindu male populace and raping the women. Hindu refugees flocked around Delhi alarming the ChAhamAnas...(7)

• 1191 PrithivirAj advanced to meet Shihabuddin’s raid and routed him in the great battle of Tarai. While the Muslims suffered a crushing defeat, the Indians failed to butcher them to man and allowed Shihab to get away unharmed. He fled back to Central Asia leaving Punjab completely undefended...(8)

• 1191 PrithivirAj attacked Tabarhindah and took it back from the Muslims. Here the biggest mistake of the Hindus was not to reconquer and arm Punjab suitably.

• 1192 Shihab returned and sacked Tabarhindah again. This was followed by the second battle of Tarai, the ChAhamAna army was crushed and Prithiviraj was captured and brutally tortured to death...(9)

• 1192 the Ghur Sultankalka made a second trust towards Ajayamerupura (Ajmer) and sacked it smashing Hindu temples and a Hindu university in course of this invasion. The Hindus captured in this expedition caused slave prices to fall to a few Dirhams in the Muslim markets...(10)

• 1193 The sultankalka invaded Kannauj and slew the GAhadwala king Jayachandra. He followed this up with an invasion of vArANsipura slaughtering Hindus with great savagery and desecrating the holy city...(11+12)

After this, his viceroy Kutub-ud-din (also his lover?) and the Turkish adventurer Ikhtiyaruddin Khalji furthered the violence of Islam in the land of Hind. Meanwhile Shihab’s brother died in Ghazna and he crowned himself Sultan and immediately launched himself into another Jihad on the infidels of Hindustan in 1206. The exact course of this campaign is not clear. While on the North-western reaches of the Sindhu, he was ambushed by the Khokar chiefs and shot down by an arrow...(13). Thus ended the carrier of the Moslem brigand who brought misery to the whole of northern India through his 13 invasions
The Jihads of
Alla-ud-din Khalji

The one time when it appeared that the sanAtana dharma might vanish off the face of bhArata was during the ferocious jihads of Alla-ud-din of the Khalji tribe. The Khaljis entered India from Ghazna during the reign of the Mamluq Sultan Qutub-ud-din Aibak. The first of them to make his mark Bakhtiyar Khalji, whose savage jihad in Bihar and destruction of the Indian centers of learning like Nalanda is only well known. Jalal-ud-din Khalji, another member of this tribe, was accepted as the Sultan of Delhi by a confederation of Turkic tribes, after the collapse of the Mamluq Balban’s regime. Jalal opened his innings by consolidating the Turkic regime in India by suppressing other competing Maliqs and appointed his nephew, Alla-ud-din to expand his domains. We shall briefly consider his campaigns:

• In 1291 he was sent to destroy the remaining Kaffirs of Bhilsa in Central India. Il-tut-mish, the Mamluq had earlier desecrated this Hindu-Buddhist temple-university complex but it had fallen away from Islamic control. Alla invaded and conquered Bhilsa and total exterminated the Kaffirs and left behind a ghost city whose long lost temple remnants can be seen even today.

• 1292 He attacked the Vidisha in Central India, a great center of learning and destroyed it completely and slew the inhabitants.

• 1292 His spies got him the news of the great wealth of the yAdava dynasty of mahArashTra and Alla promptly invaded it and carried away a large amount of loot.

• 1295 In a remarkable campaign Alla carried the war right to Devagiri the heart of the yAdava kingdom. He demolished and looted all the temples in Devagiri.

• In 1296 with this loot Alla bought most of the Khalji army and murdered his uncle Jalal and drove away his aunt and cousin and declared himself Sultan of Hind. Jaziya was imposed on the Kaffirs.

• 1296. Latter in the year he joined the Southern Alliance of the Chagadai Ulus (predominantly Turkic tribes) against the Northern Alliance (predominantly Mongolic) and routed the latter in a battle at Jallandar securing the Panjab for himself.

• In 1297 he invaded Gujarat and destroyed the ancient Surya temples at Mehsana and subjugated the Hindus of the land with much slaughter. The rAja of Gujarat fled to Devagiri and the Hindu kings tried to fight back under shankara yAdava. Alla sent Ulugh Khan and Nusrat Khan against them, who defeated the yAdavas and the Gujarat king. They captured and castrated a Hindu youth who was name Maliq Kaffr and presented him to Alla, who took him as his lover.

• 1298 He sent his fiercest il-ghazi, Zafar Khan, to wage a jihad against the pagan Northern Alliance chief Suldus who was sent by Chagadai Kha’Khan Duwa. The battle concluded in a draw after fierce fighting.

• 1298 Later in the year he battled against Qutulugh Khawaja, a son of Duwa, of the Northern Alliance, the results were inconclusive

• 1299 Qutulugh Khawaja reached the doors of Delhi with a large horde. Alla’s il-ghazi’s Zafar Khan, Ulugh Khan and Nusrat Khan defeated Qutulugh Khawaja, but Zafar Khan was shot dead by an arrow in this battle.

• 1299 Ulugh Khan was sent to quell the Hindu resistance in Gujarat. He conquered the fort of Junagad and demolished all the temples in the surrounding regions and then went on to attack Somnath and destroy the great temple that the Hindus had rebuilt.

• 1299. Hammira Deva of the Ranthambhor defeated Alla as he attempted to sack the Rajput stronghold.

• 1301. Alla returned with his entire force to sack Ranthambhor. He succeeded and slew Hammira Deva. He conducted a massive temple demolition operation destroying all the temples of Jhain and Sawai Madhopur and slew the inhabitants.

• 1303. Chittor alone that had held out against the Muslims, attracted Khalji’s attention due to its beautiful queen Padmini. Khalji sacked and burned Chittor after slaying Rana Rattan Singh.

• 1303. Turghai and Ali Beg of the Northern Alliance wrested the Punjab from Alla and invaded Sindh. They blockaded Delhi itself for two months but retreated due to the summer heat.

• 1304. Jihad was launched on Ujjaini. This ancient center of Indian learning was destroyed completely. Chanderi was attacked next by Alla and the ancient temples were demolished.

• 1305. Malwa and Mandu were savaged and the inhabitants slaughtered.

• 1306. Then Turghai and Ali Beg defeated Khalji’s army and captured Lahore and Amroha near Delhi. Tughlaq Khan, a general of Alla, counter-attacked defeated and captured 9000 Pagan Turko-Mongols of the Northern Alliance. He had them all trampled to death by elephants for refusing to accept Islam.

• 1308. Qebek (another son of Chagadai ruler, Duwa) and Ibaqmand of the Northern Alliance struck back captured Multan. But Alla defeated them on their way back and again slaughtered all the pagan prisoners he took.

• 1308. Later in the year, the Rajputs regrouped in Sivana and declared independence but Alla smashed them in a lightning campaign and destroyed the temples in the region.

• 1309. He sent Maliq Kaffr against Devagiri that was attempting to reassert itself. Maliq Kaffr defeated the yAdavas and penetrated the Hoysala kingdom.

• 1310 Maliq Kaffr destroyed Dwarasamudra after a fierce battle and ended the Hindu Hoysala rule over those regions.

• 1311 Maliq Kaffr devastated Telengana and destroyed the temples of Warangal. He then invaded Madhurai and destroyed the Pandyan kingdom. The temples of Madhurai and Chidambaram were destroyed. Kaffr returned with enormous amounts of gold looted from the destroyed temples.

• 1311 Alla invaded Jalor to destroy the Rajput fight back and massacred the Hindu population while destroying the city.

• 1313 Devagiri made another attempt to defy the Muslim terror, Alla personally invaded mahArashTra to ravage the Devagiri kingdom.

• 1314 Alla more or less became a puppet in the hand of his lover Kaffr and subsequently died in 1316.

• 1316 Death.

Thereafter, Maliq Kaffr killed all the members of the Khalji tribe except for Qutbuddin Mubarak, Alla’s last son, and ruled in his name. Kaffr was murdered by the Turkish chiefs of the Southern Alliance and Mubarak ascended the throne. In 1318 Qutbuddin Mubarak invaded Devagiri again as its ruler Haripala Deva had cast off the Muslim yoke. Haripala faced a massive defeat and was captured. He was skinned alive and his head and skin were placed on display at the entrance to the Devagiri fort. Thus ended the yAdava dynasty and Hindu sovereignty in mahArashTra. Mubarak’s lover Khusru murdered him and made himself Sultan. Amir Qazaghan of the Qara’Unas tribe, from Konduz, became the lord of the Southern Alliance and sent his commander al Ghazi al Maliq Tughlaq to seize the throne of Delhi after murdering Khusru.

Sources: Histoire des Mongols D’Ohsson.; Hafiz-i-Abru, trns Byani (Paris 1936). Tazjiyat-al-amsar va tajriyat of Wassaf; A Forgotten Empire : Vijayanagar : A Contribution to the history of India", Robert Sewell
Aurangazeb (1658 C.E. - 1707 C.E.)
Aurangzeb considered himself "The Scourge Of The Kafirs" (non-believers) and closed Hindu schools and libraries. In his lifetime he destroyed more than 10,000 Hindu, Buddhist and Jam temples and often erected mosques in their stead.3 In 1669 in Agra he had hacked off the limbs of the recalcitrant Hindu King Gokla and in 1672 several thousand revolting Hindus were slaughtered in Mewat.

From: Maasi-i-Alamgiri

Issued general order to destroy all centers of Hindu learnings including Varnasi and destroyed the temple at Mathura and renamed it as Islamabad
In Khandela (rajastan) he killed 300 Hindus in one day for they resisted the destruction of their temple.
In Udaipur all Hindus of the town were killed as they vowed to defend the temple of Udaipur from destruction.
172 temples were destroyed in Udaipur.
66 temples were pulled down in Amber. All Hindu clerks were dismissed from the office of the Imperial empire.
In Pandhpur , Maharashtra, the Emperor ordered and executed the destruction of temple and butchering of cows within the temple.
Aurangazeb also tortured to death the disciples of Guru Tegh bahadur before his death and also killed Guru. Guru Tegh Bahadur - the pride of Hindustan was martyred for he spoke for the persecuted Hindus of Hindustan. Aurangazeb also killed Guru Gobind singh's two children aged less than ten by walling them alive for not accepting the choice of Islam. In Punjab Muslim governors killed hundreds of Sikh children and made Sikh women eat the flesh of their own killed children. Banda Bahadur another great Sikh martyr before being torturd to death was also made to eat the flesh of his own children killed before his eyes. Any Muslim bringing the head of a dead Sikh was also awarded money

Jahangir (1605 C.E. - 1628 C.E.)
Source: Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri
Though in the beginning of his rule Jahangir followed the humanistic rule of his father Akbar the great -the policy of sulehkul even issued a proclamation against the forcible conversion of Hindus to Islam, he revoked Akbar's orders that those who have been forcibly converted from Islam could return to Hinduism. He severely punished Kaukab, Sharif and Abdul Latif for showing inclination to Hinduism. He also prohibited the free inter-marriage customs between Hindus and Muslims in Kashmir. Hindus marrying Muslim girls and those who had already married were given a hoice between Islam and death. Many were killed.

Jahangir's torture of Guru Arjun Dev ji: Guru was imprisoned at Lahore fort. He was chained to a post in an open place exposed to the sun from morning to evening in the summer months of May to June. Below his feet a heap of sand was put which burnt like a furnace. Boiling water was poured on his naked body at intervals. His body was covered with blisters all over. In this agony Guru used to utter.

Tera Kiya Metha lage, naam padarath Nanak mange(whatever you ordain appears sweet. I supplicate for the gift of name)

The Guru was ordercd to be executed. In addition a fine of Rupees two lakhs was imposed on him. Some historians say that, as a measure of clemency at the intervention of Mian Mir, this fine was imposed in lieu of the sentence of death. The Sikhs offered to pay the fine themselves but the Guru forbade them to do so. He replied to the Emperor, "Whatever money I have is for the poor, the friendless and the stranger. If thou ask for money thou mayest take what I have; but if thou ask for it by way of fine, I shall not give thee even a Kaurz (penny)." The Guru accepted death by torture
Shah Jahan (1658 C.E. - 1707 C.E.)
In 1632 Shah jahan ordered that all Hindu temples recently erected or in the course of construction should be razed to the ground. In Benares alone seventy six temples were destroyed. Christian churches at Agra and Lahore were demolished. In a manner befitting the Prophet he had ten thousand inhabitants executed by being "blown up with powder, drowned in water or burnt by fire". Four thousand were taken captive to Agra where they were tortured to try to convert them to Islam. Only a few apostacised, the remainder were trampled to death by elephants, except for the younger women who went to harems.

Shahjahan put enormous eonomic pressure on Hindus particularly peasents to become Muslims. The criminals too were forced to become Muslims.

Source: Badshah Nama, Qazinivi & Badshah Nama , Lahori

When Shuja was appointed as governor of Kabul he carried on a ruthless war in the Hindu territory beyond Indus...The sword of Islam yielded a rich crop of converts....Most of the women (to save their honour) burnt themselves to death. Those captured were distributed among Muslim Mansabdars.

Source: Manucci, Storia do Mogor vol-II p.451 & Travels of Frey Sebastian Manrique

Under Shahjahan peasents were compelled to sell their women and children to meet their revenue requirements....The peasents were carried off to various Markets and fairs to be sold with their poor unhappy wives carrying their small children crying and lamenting. According to Qaznivi Shahjagan had decreed they should be sold to Muslim lords

pat:
we have listened to each other. here is what islam said during its first 400 years of existence:
The first Crusade began in 1095… 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies, 457 years after Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies, 453 years after Egypt was taken by Muslim armies, 443 after Muslims first plundered Italy, 427 years after Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople, 380 years after Spain was conquered by Muslim armies, 363 years after France was first attacked by Muslim armies, 249 years after Rome itself was sacked by a Muslim army, and only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.
and how do we talk about this?
The Hadith No. 284, The Muslim, volume one, says that any Jew or Christian, who heard of Muhammad but did not convert to Islam, and died in disbelief, would rot in hell! Thus Islam withdraws from all Jews and Christians the right to believe in their faiths, and pratice them as such.
"The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolators shall be in the Fire of Hell therein dwelling for ever; those are the worst of creatures. But those who believe, and do righteous deeds, those are the best of creatures..." (XCVIII: The Clear Sign: 5)
Here those Jews and Christians, who spurn Islam, have been lumped together with the idolators such as the Hindus, and classified as 'the worst of creatures'. Therefore the Koran commands:
"O believers, take not as your friends those of them, who were given the Book before you, and the unbelievers, who take your religion in mockery and as a sport..." (V: The Table: 60)
"The true believers say: Has not God ordered a chapter that commands the holy war" (Sura 47:22); or elsewhere: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, imprison them, besiege them, ambush them" (Sura 9:5); and, "Make war on unbelievers" (Sura 9:29). "When you come upon unbelievers, massacre them, tighten the bands of the captives that you will have taken. Then you will set them free, or you will release them for a ransom" (Sura 8:57).
"To Allah, there are no animals viler than those who do not believe and remain unbelievers" (Sura 8:57). That is why it is necessary to Islamize them by force and by humiliation. And those who resist Islam and its founder must be chastised, according to the Koran: "Here is the fate of those who fight Allah and his messenger: you will put them to death or you will make them suffer the torture of the cross; you will cut their hands and their feet alternately. They will be driven from the country" (Sura 5:37).
"Do not display cowardice, and do not call the infidels to peace when you are superior to them" (Sura 47:22). THIS ALLOWS THEM TO MAKE PEACE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE WAR AGAIN LATER.
4.89": They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
"4.90": Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
"4.91": You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority."
and lets not forget those conversations between islam and india - no ill post that separately.
and what of god? you can read the bible and see that the god of abraham was the god of jesus, but what of that one called allah?
the old testament god was heavy into setting his people apart. the god of the new testament was heavy on peace and love you neighbor as yourself.
now the god of islam is into hate, kidnapping, torture for ransom, cutting off body parts, murder and forced conversions, lead by a man that has sex with a 9 year old. i dont think they are the same god, and i sure dont see any facts to bolster moho's assertion that he is a decendent of ishmael - the bast*rd son of abraham.
so we finally listen to islam.
we listened to them in 1915 when they had 2,000,000 christians in islamic turkey. when the war ended only 200,000 were left and the nation of armenia was gone. yes we have listened well.
im going to post this and then post more of the love given to india.

Soft power; dialogue; is essential in resolving world conflicts woithout violence, bloodhsed, and death, which are sources of hard power.

I agree all parties, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, sh0ould all sit at the same table and actually listen to each other instead of yelling at each other.

I believe that the Prime Minister of Israel, should issue "The Olmert Doctrine":

"1. Israel was, is and will forever be a Jewish State. We are here to stay.

2. We want to live at peace with our neighbors and the rest of the world.

3. If you recognize and respect us, we will reciprocate in kind. We will then be prepared to speak with you about ANY issue. We will negotiate in good faith and will keep our word about any agreement we make with you. We will expect no less from you. (If you do not recognize and respect us, then we can not speak with you. That makes it difficult for us to find a solution to problems that are of mutual interest..)

4. We can not tolerate violence against our people. We consider it our mutual responsibility to insure that no violence originates from your territories. We reserve our right to respond to the location and perpetrators of such violence. (While we would hope that our response does not harm innocents, that might happen. Thus, we will expect that you take whatever steps are necessary to prevent terrorist acts against us.)

5. We will take threats made against us seriously. So, if you threaten us, we reserve the right to take such action as may be needed to insure that you can not carry out your threats. (Here, too, we expect our neighbors to assist in insuring that no violence is threatened or actually carried out against us, for our reaction may affect them as well.)."