To: All Muslim Women in all muslim nations!!!

ALL MUSLIM WOMEN HAVE THEIR OWN RIGHT TO WEAR THINGS SCU AS HEADWEARS OR NOT WEAR ANYTHING ON THEIR BODIES AT ALL!

THEREFORE:
THEY CAN WEAR BIKINIS AND WEAR HIGH HEEL SHOES WITH HEADSCARVES TO WALK SEXILY ON THE STREETS TO MAKE ALL MUSLIM BOYS FEEL IN HEAT!

THEY CAN WEAR HEADSCARVES BUT BELOW THEIR HEADSCARVES ARE NOTHING OR ZEROKINIS TO WEAR TO SHOW OFF THEIR BODIES BEAUTINESS!

OR THEY CAN SHOW OFF THEIR BREASTS LIKE OTHER WOMEN IN THE ENTIRE WORLD TO MAKE LIFE LOOK MORE FUN AND HAPPINESS TO ALL OTHER VIEWERS!

PLEASE ABANDON AND PROHIBIT ALL BLACK GHOST-LIKE RAGS THAT LOOK EYE-IRRITATED AND SO UGGLY THAT MUSLIM WOMEN WEAR ALL THE TIME WITH ONLY TWO HOLES TO LET THEM SEE THE OUTSIDE WORLD!
IT IS HORRIBLE THE CULTURE CALLED AS MUSLIM CULTURE! HORRIBLE!!!!!

MUSLIM BOYS WANT THEIR WOMEN LOOK LIKE GHOSTS WALKING DOWN THE STREETS IN HOT DAYS UNDER THE FULL SUN! IT MUST BE A TORTURE TO ALL MUSLIMS WOMEN IN THIS HOT WORLD!
MUSLIM MEN MAKE MUSLIM WOMEN BECOME VERY HOTTTTTT!!!

Correction on the last sentence above: I meant to say God surely didn't tell an old man to prove his love by slaughtering his son.

Lastly for me as it isn't even interesting to read such drivel from hatemongers, I would say that religion shames God.

These man-made stories are only to be blindly followed by Sheep.

A God does exist, but he didn't have a kid through a virgin, and he didn't tell prophets to slaughter innocents, and he surely didn't tell an old man to prove his love by slaughtering him.

Frank,

When are you going to leave that evangelical church that is brainwashing you?

When are you going to read your own bible and realize that Moses, Joshua and other great biblical figures committed genocide on such a grand scale that today they would be sitting at the Hague awaiting trial?

What about David who slaughtered and had sexual relations with a married woman? Didn't he do away with the husband by sending him to his death?

Does this make all jews animals as well since their book and faith reveres such figures?

Lets not even start with christianity and its disgraceful history, which really does include the holocaust less than a century ago? What do you think the swastika is derived from?

I will donate the first dollar to Frank's education fund since it is too late to donate it to his mother to have an abortion.

Mode mutual respect from islam, Frank Collins, Chiaramente:

we are not talking here about the crap you watch on tv. We are talking here about the consecuences of the actions of your covernment, dropping bombs and killing people all over the world since a century.

Please, why do you think you can be the judges of the world? You are talking like nazis, believing you have the universal true and imposing it to the rest of the world.

Is it because of what cnn teach you? I'm not defending musulmans (I don't personally known any, do you?), but you can't deny the most terrorist country in this world is USA. And we are almost going to a nuckear hell just because of USA.

Again: the only agressive invaders in this movie are american soldiers with their super power computer-laser-machineguns against hungry childrens.

Frank Collins: Wouldn't you believe in a warrior god (like you say is islam) that hates jews, and americans if you has been invaded, tortured, bombed, violated by strangers from a far rich country and without cause?

Please, wake up !!! Please defend the victim not the assassin!!!

To: MORE MUTUAL RESPECT FROM ISLAM

I am tempted to ignore your post as below contempt and not worthy of a reply (like the latest one from Frank Collins), but let me give you a chance to think again, just as I have given Frank in the past but he is hopelessly lost.

Firstly, the fact that you don't sign your name as I do leaves you open to suspicion as being a coward who has to cover his ugly face.

Second, just think of the following situation. We all know about Bangkok, Thailand. I am in the field of economic development and, about 20 years ago, I met one American USAID employee who, I later learnt, was a closet paedophile but who told me in great earnest about his determination to retire in Thailand because he thought that was the greatest country in the world.

When he had actually taken his retirement about two years after we had that conversation, his friends told me about his sexual preferences, and about how he regularly used to vacation in Thailand to enjoy the country's child prostitution facilities.

Now, I dismissed that information from my mind because there are always deviants everywhere, in all cultures and in all countries in the world, among people of all faiths.

If I was as pervert as you, a sicko who can only sign as MORE MUTUAL RESPECT FROM ISLAM, I would think, as did the American USAID worker, that child prostitution is a natural condition of Thai society, and I would advertise the many instances of child prostitution that are reported in the press to fuel contempt against Thais. I don't because, as a Muslim and hardly the most exemplary memeber of that great religion, I KNOW that over 99.999% of Thais are decent people who only ask for the means to make a decent living and raise their family in dignity. The same holds for Muslims.

Unfortunately (I am not pervert enough to say fortunately just because the fact that I am going to state puts Islam in a favourable light), you will likely see a greater percentage of people worldwide who would more readily accept the idea that child prostitution is an acceptable mode of life in Thailand than would accept your rant about Islam.

No, you pervert, child prostitution is not an acceptable mode of life in Thailand. And the American pornographic magazine Penthouse would have done well, about two decades back, to have apologized gracefully to the Thai Government when it published a picture of the Buddha statue showing the great religious leader masturbating.

But, again, the undersigned less-than-exemplary Muslim, is till decent enough not to equate Penthouse values with American mores.

Frank Collins,

Hey, there you go again!

I thought that you would reply to my post of 15H58 on June 1?

Or that, feeling small, you would at least shut up!

But here you go again with your rant.

You sure you don't want to see a psy?

Mallack is part of that 98% that voted for Mubarak in the democratic state of Egypt. To get 98% of the vote, you have to have your supporters such as Mallack to work very hard 7 days a week to secure (coerce, intimidate, and imprison) the vote.

He has no time to chat about facts and democracy.

Hey, Mallack!

You're still sleeping on this Saturday morning?

It took you 4 hours to post your misguided reply to my original post.

It took me 1 hour to respond to you.

More than 7 hours later, nothing yet from you.

I'll be expecting your response within the next 3 hours. If you went to bed by midnight you should be awake now and may have already gone to office.

You work on Saturdays too, don't you?

An interesting and quite dimwitted comment by chiaramente when he/she said that Persians don't want to be a part of the international community. And that "Persians, unlike Arabs, the latter who DO compromise and negotiate, on a regular basis, as members of the international community, DO NOT NEGOTIATE, DO NOT COMPROMISE-IT'S OUR WAY, OR THE HIGHWAY, COME HELL, OR HIGH WATER."

This really shows what a mindless person you are. Go read your history. The concept of international community started with the Persian empire and its founder Cyrus the Great. He didn't just conquer lands, he liberated them. The Persians are renowned around the world for their inclusivity, humanity, culture and civilization. The first monotheistic faith started there. And you wouldn't know it, but the largest jewish population outside of Israel in the middle east is Iran. They have a large Christian population to boot.

Did you know that the first declaration of Human Rights was by Persia over 2,500 years ago? A copy of Cyrus' Cylinder resides at the United Nations. Were you aware that Persians didn't force their subjects into slavery when they were building their great buildings & monuments? They actually paid for labor, which was unheard of before.

You are correct that they are not Arabs. Some of them take great exception if they are called arabs. Do you know why? Because Arabs have a history and culture that started with the Koran and Muhammad. Iran has had greatness and culture before and after Islam was brought to its land with the sword.

Remember when Yasser Arafat wouldn't take 8 out of the 10 concessions that Ehud Barak made to the Palestenians in the Camp David meetings, because he had to have all 10 or nothing. Is that your idea of Arab Compromise?

Do you see Al-Qaeda, with an Arab leadership comprised of Saudis and Egyptians talk any compromise?

Do you see the rigid Arab dictatorships give any ground to their oppressed people in human rights and equality?

Yes, this Iranian regime is not too flexible, but by every knowledgeable person's admission, it is a whole lot more democratic than their arab neighbors. And you could notch their inflexibility to none other than Islam, that great rigid Arab invention!

I propose we start a fund to get Chiaramente and Frank Collins a proper education.

here are some example that show how western powers are civilized one.
1 killed millions of people around the world by capturing countrie around the world.
2 started slave trade to annihilate the black lovely people of africa.
3.millions of jews were killed by hitler with consent of european countries so no jews land in europian christian.
4 million killed in two world wars
5 in a minute 80000 of nagasaki and herohima people deid of nuclear bomb used by usa.
6 million killed in vietnam to establish the american hegemony in indo-chian region
7 million killed in arab and israel war indirectly started by west.
8 iraq and usa war killed million of arabs
9 Afghanistan,somalia,iraq,lebnan,kosovo,chechnia,depopulated
10.right to freedom of sex and alcohal turned the whole huamanity into brothal house of earth.
11 the innocency of child was snatched in war,UNo sanction.
IS all THESE DONE BY MUSLIM WOrld?
so,friend we should respect and donot suspect.come and build a new world based on love and respect.if we will open a grave we will get only bad smell.Let start a new era.

Mallack,

Did Mubarak denounce the CIA when UBL was being funded by them to send poor Muslims to wage jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan? Or is it that the lives of poor Muslims don't matter? Or is it that what I am claiming just did not happen, and I am having hallucinations?

If you claim the latter, read John K. Cooley "Unholy Wars", Pluto Press 1999. Earlier than 1999, he had predicted everything that has happened since, plus the nightmares that will continue to haunt the world during the next few years.

Got news for you, Malleck-YOU'RE MISGUIDED.

No one gives Hosni Mubarak his due-let ME do so now. This man, almost single-handedly, through the 1990's was sounding the clarion call of the war against terrorism-always talking about the UBL connection in Europe, particularly in London (and he would put it as those European countries who were harboring terrorists) and virtually no one listened to him.

Meanwhile the Jama'a Islamiya was wreaking havoc in Egypt, and was behind many of the terrorist attacks against tourists at one time. HE PRETTY MUCH GOT RID OF THAT GROUP AND ITS TERRORIST ATTACKS ONCE AND FOR ALL.

As for UBL, al-Qaeda-the rest of the world, particularly Europe, began to get the picture WAAAY after Mubarak did-and it was his unstinting efforts in the war on terror and many other matters-to act as a negotiator/mediator and friend to the West on so many matters-and CONTINUES TO DO SO that we have some of the good that has come out of the Middle East.

And what do the dumb as a Post Post editorials focus on? Why his attack on human rights! Oh, give me a BREAK! I'll take his human rights policies ANY DAY over those of the west, and particularly the US.

The world would be a much less safer place were it not for Hosni Musbarak, President of Egypt, my friends, make no mistake about THAT.

Mr Khouri,

You write: " ... just as Iran must recognize that it cannot dominate its Arab neighbors either..."

Chiaramente writes : "Persians, unlike Arabs, the latter who DO compromise and negotiate, on a regular basis, as members of the international community, DO NOT NEGOTIATE, DO NOT COMPROMISE-IT'S OUR WAY, OR THE HIGHWAY, COME HELL, OR HIGH WATER".

Don't you see that those who leveraged Saddam Hussein against Iran in 1980 and caused an 8-year war that killed a cumulative number of 1.5 million people at least (of which about 1 million Iranians) are again trying to leverage the -- excuse my bluntness -- stupid, autocratic Arab leaders (but not their really Muslim people) against a brotherly Muslim country that has suffered enormously under boycotts and sanctions but still maintains its dignity? Does it not shame you that enlightened Latin American and Asian rulers and opinion makers (Chavez of Venezuela, Lula of Brazil, Erdogan of Turkey, Badawi of Malaysia, BangBang of Indonesia, etc.) can sympathise with Ahmadi-Nejad and Iran, but autocrats like Mubarak, Gaddafi, Abdullah of Jordan, Abdallah of Saudi Arabia, who have very limited success in easing the financial difficulties of Hamas/Fatah, leave alone militarily defending the oppressed Palestinian people against Israeli aggression, are, in your words afarid of domination by Iran?
No wonder the Arab streets (specifically in liberal Tunisia where I have lived fro at least three years) are more sympathetic to Iranian leaders than to their own countries' leaders.
Wake up, Mr Khouri. And wake Mubarak, Gaddafi and even Musharraf up, before uncontrollable unrest in their countries wake them up.

Frank Collins,

My friend, I have had exchange of view with you on other ON FAITH commentators' analysis, and I have always tried to be constructive, tried to encourage you to review your presjudices and misconceptions. But you always post the same rant, the same hate literature, without stopping to verify your points against facts.

You repeat ad nauseam that "... islam demands that its people hate you, not work with you, not be friends with you, kidnapp you, torture you, cut off your body parts, hold you for ransom, and murder you, especially if you dont convert to islam".

I am Muslim, Frank, and I love you, I assure you not in the homosexual way, but as a weak person who feels persecuted and needs reassurance.

You see, I lived the Iranian Revolution in Tehran from August 1978 to August 1979. In the early weeks, I was very close to a Christian friend from New Zealand who, knowing that I had had all my University education in Canada, felt that we shared the same values. Indeed we did. But his concept of 'shared values' was warped -- 'freedom' for him was unquestionable acceptance of the supposed superiority of 'the West', although he hails from Oceania south-east of Asia.
As the weeks and months went by and he realised my sympathy for the people of Iran (including Professor Rafiqi, a Jew who, then as now would not leave his native Iran to live in Israel or America for all the gold in the world), he started growing aggressive and psychotic, a condition worsened by the civil unrest that intensifying, especially the occupation of the whole Hilton Tehran hotel by the CIA operatives who had come to back up the Shah's Savak operatives in their crackdown on dissenters with the armory of tanks and MIGs flying low over Tehran several times a day.
His business required him to stay in Tehran longer even as the American embassy was e4ncouraging foreigners to leave. I assuaged his fears and told him that he need not worry -- his country had good realtions with Iran. When he was with me, he could feel the sincerity in the tone of my voice, and he calmed down. When he was alone, his demons took hold of him and he would go berserk, not sleeping all night long and gowing round and round his bed until he would succumb in utter fatigue.
His Embassy people sought my collaboration to get him to take a decision -- either calm down and stay (his Embassy was not -- or not yet -- evacuating its nationals) or take a firm decision to agree to be evacuated courtesy the US Embassy. He still could not make up his mind -- the gain from business or fear self-inflicted by his blind hatred of 'anti-Western Iranains'.

Then, what had to happen, happened -- drunk out of his wits, he insulted me very copiously, letting out all his till-then suppressed hatred against me, and then went to bed swearing that the next day he would leave Tehran. His Embassy people contacted him and arranged for his evacuation. Then, he changed his mind and wanted to stay, encoyuraged to hang on by his family back in New raland who had contacted the Ministry of Foreign affairs and received reassurance that New Zealanders were not at risk. He wanted my help. But my good will had shrunk badly. He left Tehran. His business competitors contined to do excellent business in Iran for many months longer and were still in Tehran when I was leaving in August 1979.
Today, many oil companies and other conglomerates are in the position of my New Zealand friends. They want to do business with Iran. Everybody could win if constructive negotiations replaced hate campaigns and malicious propaganda. But the US neocons (unlike, say, Senator Ray Mac Govern) want war, they want to demonise Iran and are shopping for a war as an excuse to grab the country's oil, as they did in Iraq. This would be a losing game, just as in Iraq. It would also be a catastrophe for humanity.
I could not make my New Zealand friend understand. I hope that Senator Ray MacGovern and the Democratic party can make the US administration understand. Before it is to late.

"a few explosions, and a few deaths"

oooh YEAH, Sgurin-I can see what camp you are in!

The Ahmadinajad "there was no Holocaust" mold.

Enough said. You're an idiot AND a fool.

chiaramente (first of all exuse me for my bad english):

if you want to want to "root out the cancer of Iran" because of their nuclear weapons, or because their terrorists attacks I think you will need a power saw for the surgery that USA needs.

Remember this, you can't deny it: it is the USA the more agressive, dictator, rapist cowntry, not Iran. Nuclear power? didn't you know that a USA nuclear submarine have the power to distroy the earth ten times? And I don't exactly trust in USA leaders' intelligence, no with the president you have... a very rare example of intelligence...

Oh, the only country that drops nuclear bombs over millons inocents is now condening a humble nuclear effort. Oh, this world is perfect, and people here like chiaramente are agree... just perfect...

You are condening iran for a few explossions and a few deaths? I can't defend these actions, but remember how many have USA killed in vietnam, Lebanon, Panama, Dominican Republic, Iran, Libya, Irak, Afganistan, Cambodia, Somali, Bosnia, Haiti, Yugoslavia/Serbia, all in the name of liberty and democracy. Waw, I don't know if I want to live in your democracy. So, I must undestand that USA "is a country where still waters run very very deep" like you said?

And have you know how indirect murders and violations have USA commited in their dictatorial governments putted against the people consents. I'm from Uruguay, South America and in this part of the continent there is no country that has not been under a USA puppet military government.

Please chiaramente, when USA will finnish this? Or is it that hollywood is no longer entertaining USA people like you and the only way you enjoy life is droping bombs?

Mr. Khouri-PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE NOT SO NAIVE. Let me say this: ANYONE who believes Persians (who are not Arabs, btw) want to actually be a part of the international community, and who really are not engaging in full-scale nuclear weaponizing, are simply living in an alternate reality.

Persians, unlike Arabs, the latter who DO compromise and negotiate, on a regular basis, as members of the international community, DO NOT NEGOTIATE, DO NOT COMPROMISE-IT'S OUR WAY, OR THE HIGHWAY, COME HELL, OR HIGH WATER.

Anyone who believes anything that the Islamic Republic says on an international level, who actually believes they want to deal in good faith on the nuclear facilities issue, or any other issue that directly affects their own self-interest, has got rocks in their head-we've seen it now many times-Iran's negotiator will say to the IAEA "sure, we'll let in the inspectors, sure we'll comply with the deadlines, sure we'll compromise on some issues-and then-what? NO DEAL-WE'RE NOT DOING IT!

This is a country that aids, abets and supports hundreds of terrorist attacks around the world, and has been doing it, either overtly, or covertly, through financial aid and support, since 1979-pick your terrorist act-Pan Am 103, Khobar Towers, TWA 840 hijacking, Buenos Aires synagogue bombing, 9/11 attacks-EACH ONE OF THESE ACTS IRAN IS INVOLVED, IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. (and let's not talk about their relationship with Iraq -al-Qaeda-gold shipments regularly go through Iran on their way to Shia fighters in Iraq).

No, my friend, this is a country where still waters run very very deep. The cancer that has metastasized in the Islamic Republic of Iran is getting worse, and it will need to be rooted out, surgically, and quite soon-because you see, that's the only thing that the Persians will truly understand and respond to-the nuclear strike.

Just wanted to apologize for my mispellings/grammar in my above post, as I was writing very quickly.

Also wanted to leave you with the astonishing imagery in your own minds of our president and his die-hards visiting the newly opened Creation Museum where they claim the world is 5,000 years old and the dinasours and humans co-existed peacefully, and where dinasours became extinct because they were too big for Noah to include in his Ark.

Amazing isn't it Frank Collins? I don't think he can answer because he is waiting in line to get tickets to its grand opening.

A note for Mr. Frank Collins. Before you attach Islam, you should read your own Bible. I don't think any other holy book has as much genocide, incest, and vengeance that this book.

I'm not a believer of Religion. Religions shames god.

But before you cast stones at another faith, you should know that we are not any better. Our President doesn't believe in Evolution, for crying out loud! Where do you think his beliefs and values come from? He himself acknowledges from Bible.

Did Christ refuse to heal a Canaanite's child because she wasn't Jewish?

Your statements reveal that you are a hateful, brainwashed, and thus dangerous human being who will inflict damage on innocent people at the command of your religious superiors.

Frank collins:

I remember you that occidental church is who begin the war, not musulmans. Please inform yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
(or you would say that wikipedia is written by musulmans?)

The thing is that the crusades has nothing to do with the current status of usa - arabic countries 's diplomacy. I think USA history has more to do. For example, check all the invassions, trade stoppage (embargo), bombings, violations, dictatorships created by USA in all the world. (have I to list them?). What do you think it is more related with the current situation: USA diplomacy's ways or the cursades ?? :P

you don't convince to anybody

Frank Collins

(excuse me for my bad english)

The only person here that seems to be a nazi is you! Go to the facts and don't be dogmatic. Is usa who are invading and killing people *now*, not islamic people. And is usa government that acts upon dogmas killing everything that looks like a islamic, communist, black, yellow, etc.

THIS IS NOT AN IDEOLOGICAL WAR, this war is for resources and territory dominance so son't came here with the bible and the coran.

The only guiltiness of islamic people is not let usa government violate their freedom for free. they are fighting just like people of vietnam do against USA imperialism.

** and remember, is USA soldiers that are far from home, not talibans. **

it's seems that the only interest of people like you is to kill and violate people that thinks different.

P/D - no matter how long your posts are you will not convince anybody with your islamic quotes.

(excuse me for my bad english)

There is no word for mutual respect in dictionary of foreign relation of western imperialist power.They want to dominant the world by hook or crook.there is only one respect for western and that is interest.and at this moment the interest of western power is to stop iran before iran stop western power and israel in middle east.both these countries know the interest and on that will final their talk.they have experienced of cooperating each other on different issue.it is well understood by the people that without iran support usa cannot topple taliban and can stay in post war period.in the same way without iran led shia support usa cannot handle saddam hussain so effectively.and now the question of post iraq stabilty is concerned then be sure they will handle also nicely.they are so nice fellow in persuing their interest.

"The U.S. should recognize that it cannot dominate Iran and the Middle East just as Iran must recognize that it cannot dominate its Arab neighbors either. Renouncing mutual hegemonic aims would be a good issue to have as background atmospherics for the talks."

Yes, Mr. Khouri, they should, but they won't. It's all about hegemony for them, they're just sharing their gains now. If one refuses to do that, the talks will fail and the mess in Iraq may never end.

(first of all scuse me for my bad english). Yes, mutual respect... How easy is to respect a government that has thousands of soldiers at your doors?
Does not have Iraq the right to suspect with so many wariors at their doors and so far from home? What USA would do in the same situation?