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Behind the Tainted Formula Scandal...Chinese Women Don't Like Breastfeeding

One of the most interesting things behind the whole horrible scandal involving tainted baby formula is that breastfeeding is not that popular in China. So far four babies have died and more than 6,000 have been sickened by milk powder that was spiked with the chemical melamine -- which makes the milk seem like it contains more protein than it really does.

You'd think breastfeeding would be widespread in a society that retains the appearance of being close to its agricultural roots, in a society that literally worships human milk. There's a Chinese expression: ren nai zhi bai bing (Human milk cures 100 illnesses.) During the biblical floods in southern China in '98, China's Central Television ran footage of wet nurses dispatched to the barricades to offer their milk to Chinese soliders. The CCTV footage showed one Chinese GI rubbing the stuff into his hair.

But scratch the surface and China seems to have turned away from breastfeeding just as we in the United States have embraced it. In the '40s and '50s American women were inveigled to abandon the breast and replace it with formula. Science! in the form of milk powder and super nutrients would make baby strong! After a few decades, we'd junked those ideas and now in the 21st century we've re-embraced the breast. Just the opposite with the Chinese. In the '40s and '50s, breastfeeding was universal in China. The country was too poor to afford formula.

But as China grew richer in the '70s and '80s, its women turned away from breastfeeding. Now, according to the All-China Women's Federation, only 47 percent of Chinese women breastfeed and most specialists think that the numbers are actually lower. One study noted that breastfeeding rates around Beijing were as low as 13.6 percent at four months in the 1990s down from more than 80 percent in early 1950s.

Despite a nationwide campaign to encourage breastfeeding, the same call -- Science! -- has convinced many to do away with the breast pump and embrace formula. In addition, the structure of the Chinese family -- more working mothers, the babies raised by grandparents -- makes the use of formula so much more convenient. And in this case so much more harmful to the poor children who drank the tainted brew from the Sanlu milk company.

China's turn away from breastfeeding is another sign that the Chinese are junking their traditions. Another example, when it comes to toddlers, is the kai dang ku -- the pants with a split in the crotch that allows babies to pee and poop at will. In place of the kai dang ku? Diapers. Diaper sales in China are, like those of milk formula, skyrocketing. Yearly sales are well over $200 million the official China Daily reported.

While obviously there are health implications of random peeing and pooping babies, there are other consequences, too. For one, Chinese kids used to be toilet trained -- during waking hours -- at around six months and could go by themselves at 14 months. Now, like Western kids, the process is stretching into their 2s and 3s.

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rotten-world:

I think that You may want to read this:
Melamine found in Cadbury goods

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7641317.stm

Food poisoning in Made In China products seem to be countlessly!

Will you still want to try them out? if yes! then I wish you luck!

rotten-world:

References:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-09-26-voa45.cfm
(China's Melamine Milk Crisis Creates Crisis Of Confidence)

To world consumers:

The world has been shaken up with the "intention of poisoning" world consumers and Chinese consumers with the use of Melamine!
This nightmare has spreaded globally and no nations in the world can ignore this murdering deed from th Made in China products!

For safest way to all consumers then it is wisely to avoid consuming any food came from China for best protection to all! This is not the "overreacted thinking!" due to many other food and foodstuffs made in China also carry other kinds of deadly contents as well that the world has not yet to look into them more carefully as must!!!!

One life to live! eat wrong stuffs will have better chance to "voyage to the infinity!" and can never return!!!

Anju Chandel:

This latest scandal in Chinese baby milk formula will open eyes of mothers all around the world - including China - that breastfeeding is the best way to feed infants.

rotten-world:

QUESTION TO THE U.S FDA AND U.S LAWMAKERS AND U.S PRODUCTS INSPECTING AND HARMFUL PRODUCTS PREVENTING AUTHORITIES:

Hello folks:

HOW CAN THE U.S FDA AND U.S LAWMAKERS BE ABLEE TO DEAL WITH BILLIONS OF PRODUCTS MADE IN CHINA THAT KEEP FLOWING INTO THE USA NATION WHILE THIS NATION HAS NO ANY WAY TO TEST THEM ALL? AND HOW MANY PRODUCTS AND KINDS OF PRODUCTS HAVED BEEN CONTAMINATED WITH ALL SORTS OF INTENTIONALLY AND UNINTENTIONALLY DEALY POISONS AND CARCINOGENIC AGENTS REACHING AMERICAN CONSUMERS AND UNDETECTED AND SILENTLY UNKNOWN UNTIL THIS TIME????

For absolutely sure, that there are no such available capability and resources in the U.S that can be able to detect effectively and prevent relentless massive flows of products of all sorts Made in China into this USA nation! This is due to billions of items or products of all sorts from food-based products to medicines-based products to household consuming products have been spreading all over this nation without obtaining needed proper checking and testing and preventing activities due to no availibility of proper and effective resources and approaches of preventions are existing in the nation!
UNFORTUNATELY AND CRAZILY, THIS NATION HOWEVER STILL FEELS FREELY TO LET THE COUNTLESS INFLUXES OF MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS FLOWING IN RELENTLESSLY YEARS AFTER YEARS AT THE THE TERRIBLE OUT OF CONTROLLED CONDITION! AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE AVOIDABLE, UNACCEPTABLE AND MINDLESS PROBLEM TO LET IT CONTINUES TO EXIST IN THIS NATION!
AND COMMONSENSEWISE, THIS PROPLEM IS ORIGINATED AND CAUSED BY THESE MINDLESS FOLKS! WHILE THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION AS COMSUMERS ARE THE ONLY THE VICTIMS OF THESE KINDS OF CRAZILY NATIONAL DISASTER AND MINDLESS ACTIVITIES! THAT HAVE GOVERNED AND PLANNED BY THE NON-VISIONARY AND MINDLESS FOLKS THAT THEY CAN BE SEEN AS THE FOLKS WHO CAN ONLY SEE NO FARTHER THAN THEIR NOSES!!!

So, how Americans folks who can protect themselves and their own health and their families from unneccessarily being harmed by THE "MADE IN CHINA" UNPREDICTABLE PRODUCTS??? WHILE THESE "GOOD STUFFS" PRODUCTS FROM CHINA HAVE RELENTLESSLY DEVASTATED THE ENTIRE WORLD NATIONS AS BEING REPORTED ALL THE TIME!!!!

In summary, "Made in China" products have become the WORLD NIGHTMARE TO ALL WORLD CONSUMERS AS PROVEN RELENTLESSLY!

rotten-world:

rotten-world:
Some information related to fluctuating MELAMINE DENSITY LEVELS (or poison concentration levels)in the Melamine-laced Chinese milk that has been manufactured by Yili company of CHINA sold to S.E.A nations as:

Yili company manufactured under different Brands:

"Pure" (1liter) has Melamine density: 392mcg/l, and "Pure"(250ml) Melamine density: 7,371mcg/l
"Milk Blueberry Taste" (250ml container) Melamine density: 106 mcg/l
"Milk Strawberry Taste" (250ml container) Melamine density: 46mcg/l
"Milk Original Taste" (250ml) Melamine density: 2,500mcg/l

Notes:
[1] (250ml) stands for a a container has capacity of 250 mililiter
[2] mcg/l stands for microgramme/liter
[3] 1.0mcg/liter to 1.4mcg/liter considered as harmless

AS SEEN THE TESTED DATA WERE WAY TOO HIGH FOR HUMAN BODY CAN WITHSTAND! AND THAT'S WHY CHINESE CHILDREN CANNOT SURVIVE WITH THESE MELAMIME CONTAMINATED LEVELS! AND USA DOGS AND CATS AS WELL!

REMEMBER! ANY WORST DEEDS CAN ALL BE FOUND IN CHINA! BUT MOST MAN-MADE TERRIBLE CRIMES HAVE BEEN WELL COVERED UP AND SOMETIMES THE WORLD COULD FIND SOME FAILED TO COVER UP AND BEING LEAKED OUT AS SAD NEWS FROM CHINA TO REACH WORLD PEOPLE! THIS IS DUE TO MOST TERRIBLE CRIMES IN CHINA SEEM TO BE CONSIDERED AS NATIONAL SECRETS! ONLY THUGS AND BAD GUYS CAN HAVE RIGHTS TO KNOW IN MOST OCCASIONS!
QUESTION: SO WHAT CAN 1.5 BILLIONS CHINESE DO?
ANSWER: JUST CRY AND ALL BAD NEWS SOONER OR LATER WILL FOLLOW THE TIME AND FADE AWAY! THAT'S ALL THESE FOLKS CAN DO!


rosaceae:

Dear Sir,
You have pointed out the fact but seem to be at a loss of the reason why Chinese moms are reluctant to breastfeed. May I suggest this may be a part of a conspiracy by the dairy corporations and Chinese state-controlled media to boost sales? I read some reports (in Chinese) concerning this scandal, a grief-stricken woman mention that she is told and convinced by the advertisement that the Sanlu formula milk contain more nutrients than human milk.

Rosaceae, a reader from UK

rotten-world:

It seems to be in China where some folks here have been "confused" themselves between the so-called:

1/ MELAMINE as PROTEIN
2/ FORMALDEHYDE as FOOD PRESERVATIVE (use in China and exported to S.E.A nations)
3/ DIETHYLENE GLYCOL as SYRUP (exported to Central, South America)
4/ INSECTICIDES as FOOD ADDITIVE (exported to Japan)
5/ LEAD as FOOD ADDITIVE (exported to S. Korea)

And what will be the following "confusions" that will surface in China and the rest of the world?

Maybe these chinese folks have believed themselves that these MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS MUST HAVE THESE "ADDITIVES" TO MAKE THEM UNIQUE? as the "Chinese newly invented" products and can only be able to find and import from China only?

Maybe the U.S FDA and all world FDAs should find the answer for the world consumers to understand the secret deeds originated in China!
Maybe all products imported from China should be tested them all or sending back to China and start all over again to test one by one and to sort out all well mixed "Chinese Preservatives and Additives" in the food and foodstuffs for doing more studies of these "super food" made in China!

rotten-world:

TO ALL FOLKS WHO VISITED AND ATTENDED THE OLYMPIC-2008!!!

Unfortunately, people attended Olympic-2008 in Peking were comsumed milk Made In China as recently known that the Chinese dairy producer Yili a large company supplied milk to the folks who were in Olympic-2008!

It seems to be that all people who visited China recently during the Olympic-2008 should go to their hospitals to test themselves for Melamine in their blood! And hopefully more information related to Melamine will share to the world news watchers as well!

rotten-world:


SOONER OR LATER MANY OTHER NATIONS WILL DISCOVER MELAMINE-TREATED IMPORTED FOOD PRODUCTS WILL CONTAIN MELAMINE AND OTHER CHEMICALS AS WELL!

Now Canada has shown up "MELAMINE" IN IMPORTED PRODUCTS:
Canada Food Inspection Agency has slept well and now starts to wake up to go to the shelves in Chinese Grocery Stores and supermarkets to discover millions of kinds of products that carry
"good stuffs" such as: MELAMINE, FORMALDEHYDE, AND MANY OTHER CHEMICALS, ETC.,!!! AND GOOD LUCK TO THE FINDING!


Anonymous:
Chinese supermarkets in Vancouver have pulled a dessert product imported from China from their shelves after it was found to contain melamine.

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency warned consumers not to eat the Nissin Cha Cha Dessert, which is sold in packages of two, 220-gram containers, and has been distributed in B.C., Alberta and Ontario.

The melamine was discovered by health officials in Hong Kong. No illnesses associated with the product have been reported.

Anonymous:

Top Chinese oil and gas firm CNPC is proposing a 1,365-kilometre natural gas pipeline that could pump up to 1.2 billion cubic metres of the fuel from northwestern Qinghai province to Lhasa, the capital of Tibet.

The 624 million yuan ($A109.48 million) pipeline would start from Tainan gasfield in the Tsaidam Basin in Qinghai and run more than 500 kilometres across the frozen Qinghai-Tibet Plateau before reaching Lhasa, a local newspaper in Qinghai said last week.

The feasibility study of the plan has been submitted to the National Development and Reform Commission for approval while environmental and safety review procedures were proceeding, reported the Xihai Metropolis Daily.

Large-scale construction in the environmentally fragile Tibet region often sparks criticism from environmentalists, and Tibetan activists contend such moves are designed to strengthen Beijing's control and marginalise ethnic Tibetans.

China's military forces built a 1,080-kilometre pipeline in the 1970s that pumps refined oil products from Golmud in Qinghai to Lhasa.

A 1,142-kilometre railway link between the two cities, inaugurated on July 1, 2006, passes through spectacular icy peaks on the Tibetan highlands, and has brought an unprecedented number of tourists to the scarcely populated region.

Anonymous:

----Doesn't any understand how serious a problem this is? Our Government has used the American people and the country itself for collateral. That means if our country cannot pay off its dept to China we are owned by China. Know what this means? We have to learn to speak Mandarin very quickly, because as of right now America is being practically sold to another country.-----

A good suggestion from Chinese:

American girls consider to look for Chinese boyfriends:) Most Chinese guys would never ask a girl to sign prenuptial for loosing his face:)
And your guys already getting our girls, so why not:)
And Chinese Government cares about their face so much, they will never come knock door to ask back for money, it's culture:)

There are some good website to learn Mandarin, Tang poems 300, Song lyrics 300, Yuan Songs 300, better get started quick, so next Emmy award the guests won't bored to death:)

Anonymous:

"Although the Chinese government keeps the exact data secret, it's reasonable to believe that the United States now owes communist China $1.5 trillion. That's an average of $6,000 owed per American."

1) Article: http://www.whyweworry.com/blog/2008/01/17/what-the-us-owes-china/

2)http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/china_winning_tradewar.html

Doesn't any understand how serious a problem this is? Our Government has used the American people and the country itself for collateral. That means if our country cannot pay off its dept to China we are owned by China. Know what this means? We have to learn to speak Mandarin very quickly, because as of right now America is being practically sold to another country.

Why? First off, our economy is hitting its lowest with foreclosures, dept, banks closing, thousands of jobs are being lost a day, people need money, we have bills, they're are less jobs on the market, more jobs that require a higher education, and here we are borrowing money from Communist China. We borrowed money to keep the stock market a float. (Hint: America is Capitalists!) No other country really is. Our economy is based completely on the hopes that us consumers will have enough money to buy things -- that's what our government is based on.

Anonymous:

Chinese supermarkets in Vancouver have pulled a dessert product imported from China from their shelves after it was found to contain melamine.

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency warned consumers not to eat the Nissin Cha Cha Dessert, which is sold in packages of two, 220-gram containers, and has been distributed in B.C., Alberta and Ontario.

The melamine was discovered by health officials in Hong Kong. No illnesses associated with the product have been reported.


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Anonymous:

Venezuela will buy combat and training aircraft from China this week, leftist Venezuela President Hugo Chavez confirmed in a television broadcast Sunday.

The purchases will be made as part of a six-country tour, Chavez said in his broadcast of the "Alo President" television program from the Miraflores presidential palace in Caracas, hours before leaving on a "strategic interest" trip to Cuba, China, Russia, Belarus, France and Portugal.

Chavez, a staunch foe of the US government, confirmed that during his stay in Beijing he will purchase 24 K-8 aircraft "to train fighter pilots." The planes could be part of Venezuela's air force by next year.

The president also confirmed that while in Beijing he will arrange the construction of tanker vessels in Chinese shipyards, with the aim of installing a shipyard in Venezuela in the near future.

These plans come in addition to the construction of a refinery in China to process oil from Venezuela, and plans to create a bi-national company to install a refinery in the remote oil-rich Orinoco region in eastern Venezuela.

Caracas provides 500,000 barrels of oil per day to Beijing, a trade which is expected to increase to one million barrels a day by 2012.

Chavez, who describes China as a strategic ally, will move forward with a six billion dollar bilateral investment fund. China will contribute four billion dollars to the fund, and Venezuela two billion dollars.

Caracas will use the fund for "socialist productive projects."

"Before we had to go to Washington to beg for money. Not now. Now we negotiate with the Chinese," said Chavez.

Chavez announced that during his visit to Beijing the investment fund will benefit from an additional four billion dollars for further "development" in Venezuela.

After China, Chavez will head to Moscow.

Venezuela in recent years has been broadening its military ties to Moscow, and Chavez backed Russia in the recent Georgian conflict.

Last week, Russian supersonic Tu-160 bombers for the first time flew training runs with Venezuela in an area of the Caribbean traditionally considered the US military's sphere of influence.

Anonymous:

The Chinese dairy scandal has reportedly spread to candy. Dairy manufacturers had added melamine to watered-down milk to boost protein levels; melamine, an industrial chemical, produces kidney stones and has killed a number of babies and left tens of thousands of others with kidney issues. It's also the chemical in the tainted pet food last year. The Singapore Straits-Times reports that melamine has been found in White Rabbit candies, which are popular across Asia and also found in Asian grocery stores in the U.S. (sometimes they are treats at Asian restaurants). And today, the Chinese agriculture minister admitted the country's dairy system was "out of control" sayiing "milk stations began only in recent years, the country now has no specific method of supervising them."

Anonymous:

My uncle and his wife are Muslim, they practice their religion in China, they are not like you, and their Muslim brothers are not like you.

You are terrorists. You believe on your terrorists, and set bombs to kill people is your religious practice. Don't you think you can use your cover to mock others. Your trick is just to spread your disease to others so you can slave on them, those Muslim brothers who held different view against you, you people shew no mercy to kill them.

Be a man.

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SHUT-UP AND MIND YOUR OWN RACIST IMPERIALIST BUSINESS!!!

Anonymous:

Safety is our top concern,” said China’s Vice-President Xi Jinping in late July, pointing to the deployment of 100,000 troops around Beijing and the surface-to-air missile batteries that protect the main stadia as proof of the regime’s determination to ensure that no terrorist attack would disrupt the 2008 Olympic Games. But it couldn’t stop two equally determined Uighur militants from killing 16 Chinese police and injuring another 16 in an attack on a border post near Kashgar in early August, just days before the Games opened.


True, Kashgar is in the far northwestern autonomous province of Xinjiang, 4,000 kilometers from Beijing, but if two men armed only with hand grenades and knives could do that much damage there, what is to stop others from doing it in Beijing? Certainly not surface-to-air missiles.

The best way to prevent terrorist attacks is to remove the grievances that often motivate them, and to penetrate the terrorist organizations with informers. China hasn’t done very well on either front. In Xinjiang as in Tibet, it has inundated the local population with a wave of Han Chinese immigrants who live essentially separate and far more prosperous lives, and created great resentment as a result.

The number of Chinese immigrants in Tibet and Xinjiang is so great that they threaten to turn the original populations into a minority — in Xinjiang they have already done so — and that is bound to stir fears of cultural and linguistic extinction in the colonized population. That was the real reason for the explosion of anti-Chinese violence in Tibet earlier this year, and it has been the motivating power behind Uighur separatist movements in Xinjiang for 20 years now.

Ironically, the reason for the huge influx of Han Chinese immigrants is a ham-handed effort to quell separatist sentiments in the two provinces. Most Chinese believe that their country has ruled both Tibet and what used to be called East Turkestan since time immemorial, but in practice they only came under direct Chinese control in the mid-eighteenth century, around the same time that the British were seizing control of India.

So if Beijing doesn’t want its western territories to go the way of British India eventually, then it must find a way to bind Tibetans and Uighurs to China. The solution, Beijing reckoned, was lots of development and rising prosperity, which would reconcile both Tibetans and Uighurs to Chinese rule.

Maybe it would have too, if the subject peoples had actually shared in the prosperity, but they didn’t. Educational levels and technical skills were gravely lacking in the indigenous populations, so the real (although probably unintended) effect was to draw in millions of Chinese immigrants who did have the necessary skills. And it was they, of course, who got all the good new jobs.

In 1945, 90 percent of Xinjiang’s population were Uighurs, a Muslim, Turkic-speaking people who are closely related to the other Muslim populations of Central Asia. Indeed, the Uighurs of Xinjiang and the Uzbeks of northern Afghanistan and Uzbekistan can actually understand each other’s languages. Now the Uighurs are down to eight million out of 19 million in the province: less than 45 percent of the population and falling fast.

As in the case of Tibet, there has been very rapid urbanization, but most of the native population lives in ghettos that are little better than slums, with no hope of getting the good jobs, which are monopolized by Chinese immigrants. The difference between the two regions is that in Xinjiang there have been sporadic terrorist attacks against Chinese people and interests since the early 1990s.

Tibet is isolated by geography, culture, religion and language. It has no strong affinities with anywhere else, which largely explains its relative political passivity between the big 1959 revolt and this year’s disturbances. By contrast, Uighurs have strong historical, cultural, religious and linguistic links with the other Central Asian groups — all of which got their independence when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

That example, of course, was very seductive, and so a wide variety of Uighur separatist groups have carried out occasional terrorist attacks both in Xinjiang and in China proper over the past two decades. The rise of “Islamist” terrorism lately has given them a more coherent ideology than mere nationalism, and also some useful contacts in the more distant parts of the Muslim world. They have only killed a couple of hundred people in 20 years, but they remain a serious headache for the Chinese regime.

In all that time, Beijing has not succeeded in penetrating and breaking up the Uighur groups who are waging this violent separatist campaign. Part of the reason is doubtless that these groups are small, numerous and fragmented, but they are also increasingly difficult for the Chinese intelligence services to penetrate because they have become more and more Islamist (as opposed to merely nationalist) in their ideology.

At press time the Olympics had passed relatively incident-free, excepting an apparently random stabbing attack on two American tourists on the second day of the Games. The window is not closed yet, though, for the Paralympic Games are taking the stage in September.

So could Uighur separatists, or even Tibetan ones, carry out a terrorist attack in Beijing? Of course they could. Nothing too spectacular, of course. No hijacked airplanes crashing into stadiums. But two men with grenades (or two women, for that matter) could do a lot of damage, and even 100,000 troops would need some luck to stop them

Anonymous:

China will conduct a "re-education" drive against Uighur Muslims in East Turkistan with its Party chief vowing preemptive attacks, Reuters said.

Historical records show that the Uyghurs have a history of more than 4000 years. Throughout the history the Uyghurs developed a unique culture and civilization and made remarkable contribution to the civilization of the world.

Wang Lequan, the hardline Communist Party boss, told officials that a sweeping propaganda campaign was needed in East Turkistan, where mostly Muslim Uighurs have suffered under Chinese religious controls, the Xinjiang Daily reported on Wednesday.

Critics of China's policies in the remote region said there would be an official reckoning after the Games, and Wang's fiery words seemed to confirm that prediction.

"We must always maintain a high-pressure strike-hard posture, adhering to a policy of taking the offensive, striking when they show their heads and making preemptive attacks," he told a meeting on Tuesday, according to the report also carried by the China News Service.

"This winter and next spring we will launch a concentrated anti-separatist re-education across the whole region."

East Turkistan has 8 million Uighurs.

The government points to big investments in the region's economy and resources, which include oil and gas, and efforts to lift living standards. But critics say too few decent jobs and benefits flow to Uighurs.

Wang spelt out measures to tie the region more closely to the rest of China and to Communist Party control -- measures that are sure to draw criticism from advocates of an independent "East Turkistan" homeland for Uighurs.

The re-education campaign will seek to enhance "identification with the Chinese nation and Chinese culture", Wang said, adding measures to spread teaching in Mandarin Chinese among Uighur children.

Religious activities must also be carefully policed, he said.

The Uyghurs Islam in 934, during the reign of Satuk Bughra Khan, the Kharahanid ruler. Since that time on the Islam continuously served Uyghurs as the only religion until today.

After embracing Islam the Uyghurs continued to preserve their cultural dominance in Central Asia. World renowned Uyghur scholars emerged, and Uyghur literature flourished. Among the hundreds of important works surviving from this era are the Kutat-ku Bilik by Yusuf Has Hajip (1069-70), Divan-i Lugat-it Turk by Mahmud Kashgari, and Atabetul Hakayik by Ahmet Yukneki.

East Turkistan was occupied by the communist China in 1949 and its name was changed in 1955. The communist China has been excersizing a colonial rule over the East Turkistan since then.

Anonymous:

To European Anonymous,

My uncle and his wife are Muslim, they practice their religion in China, they are not like you, and their Muslim brothers are not like you.

You are terrorists. You believe on your terrorists, and set bombs to kill people is your religious practice. Don't you think you can use your cover to mock others. Your trick is just to spread your disease to others so you can slave on them, those Muslim brothers who held different view against you, you people shew no mercy to kill them.

Be a man.

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GOOD NEWS!

Give them two choice:
1) Be Chinese and live in China!
2) Move out! And Don't come back!

If they blame on religion, then give up;
If they blame on culture, then give up;
Anyway for everyone, love your country first!

Whether you are American, or Chinese.

Anyone feels unhappy to live in his country, then get out. Simple.

Research for yourself. Don't just believe what you hear.:

To Dawn:

If you listened to the lady talking about how breast in no longer best she is refering to the problems associated with early weaning and mixed feeding (part breast milk & part formula). When you mix natural with processed you will have some health issues on the part of the mother & baby. Also, as stated in a previous post, do your research. Look at the ingredients in the average formula. It's nothing more than powdered milk, water, corn syrup, oils, and added vitamins. Now, compare that to powerade & a multi-vitamin. The composition of breastmilk changes with the growth & needs of the infant/toddler. There is no way that scientist can duplicate the immunities, nutrients, taste, & other benefits found in breast milk. I've been breastfeeding for 1 1/2 years as of now. My daughter has never been sick or needed to go to the doctors, I don't have to deal with constipation often associated with the iron content in the formula, not to mention the benefits for me. Breastfeeding for 2 years can reduce your risk of breast cancer by 25% and that's only 1 benefit. I love breastfeeding and hate to hear people bash it. Every where I go I get negative comments from even mom's with babies. I encourage everyone to do your research and give your family what is best...whatever it is.

Anonymous:

To European Anonymous,

My uncle and his wife are Muslim, they practice their religion in China, they are not like you, and their Muslim brothers are not like you.

You are terrorists. You believe on your terrorists, and set bombs to kill people is your religious practice. Don't you think you can use your cover to mock others. Your trick is just to spread your disease to others so you can slave on them, those Muslim brothers who held different view against you, you people shew no mercy to kill them.

Be a man.

Chen:

NO....THERE ARE CONTROLS ON RELIGION SO THAT YOU IMPERIALSTS CANNOT BRING YOUR MISSIONARIES NOR POPE BACK INTO OUR FUTURE, AS YOU DID IN THE PAST.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES FROM YOU RACIST WESTERNERS.

PERIOD!!!


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SHUT-UP AND MIND YOUR OWN RACIST IMPERIALIST BUSINESS!!!

CHEN:

Posted on September 23, 2008 02:06

Chen:
"ANONYMOUS:
China oppresses religions, because they have one official state religion, ie. the love and worship of money"

NO....THERE ARE CONTROLS ON RELIGION SO THAT YOU IMPERIALSTS CANNOT BRING YOUR MISSIONARIES NOR POPE BACK INTO OUR FUTURE, AS YOU DID IN THE PAST.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES FROM YOU RACIST WESTERNERS.

PERIOD!!!


==========================================================

GOOD NEWS!

Give them two choice:
1) Be Chinese and live in China!
2) Move out! And Don't come back!

If they blame on religion, then give up;
If they blame on culture, then give up;
Anyway for everyone, love your country first!

Whether you are American, or Chinese.

Anyone feels unhappy to live in his country, then get out. Simple.

Chen:

"ROTTEN-WORLD:
I am not a Chinese but I feel very sad as seeing children and adults in China have relentlessly become victims for the "money-hungers" who have paid no respect to their own Chinese people!?"

SHUT-UP AND MIND YOUR OWN RACIST IMPERIALIST BUSINESS!!!

Anonymous:

Anonymous:
To European Anonymous,

Have you ever thought about that your God Allah hates you more than hates us?

You are even a disgrace to your own religion, why don't you just be a man, stop hiding from Muslin label to truly tell others that your religion is what you interpret or what you think, which is nothing but your lie to control the poor and dominate over the weak and women.

You give other true Muslin brothers a bad name, you guys lure each other to every unnecessary death, that your God Allah presets for you, which means whether you achieve or not that you are guaranteed to die by Allah's will, that means Allah hates to see you exist in this world more than others. When your God Allah finished killing you bad people by using American force, this way the true Muslin are liberated from you guys. The world is better place, and the women you guys slave over are unbound, and the true Muslim brothers could eventually practice and obtain Peace of Allah that Koran promises as God will.

There is nothing better than this to clean off you terrorists from the face of earth. It is honor that Allah gives us to enforce his true will and to free his true submittal followers from you terrorists.

The world after WWII enjoyed a little period of peaceful time, and look now, what you guys have done? The majority Muslim brothers are good and peaceful people, but they don't include you, your job is setting fire on yourself by Allah's will. So after you die, we can have peace. Bless God! Straight to hell you East Turk Separatist, you are not a Muslim, you are nothing but waste that if we don't clean you away, it is curse for us, otherwise what a bless!

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Almost 300 U.S. rabbis representing thousands of congregants sent a letter today calling on Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to press all countries to voluntarily suspend arms sales to Sudan. The letter also urged the U.S. to use its seat on the United Nations Security Council to introduce a resolution to expand the current U.N. arms embargo on Sudan this October when China assumes the Council's presidency October 1. China currently supplies 90% of Sudan's small arms.

"Despite two U.N. Security Council resolutions intended to halt the movement of weapons to Darfur, the region is awash with arms," says the letter, initiated by the American Jewish World Service. "Member states are failing to live up to their obligations to prevent the sale or supply of arms to all parties to the conflict. The well-documented proliferation of arms in the region illustrates only too clearly the ineffectiveness of the current embargo."

The rabbis urged particular focus on the government of China due to its trade relationship and close diplomatic ties to Sudan, and they call for urgent action when China assumes the presidency of the U.N. Security Council this October. "China bears the distinction of providing an estimated 90 percent of Sudan's small arms imports since 2004," the letter says. "It is critical that the U.S. engage in robust diplomacy to ensure that China does not block passage of a resolution to expand the arms embargo."

Recent events demonstrate that violence against Darfur's civilians, United Nations-African Union peacekeepers and humanitarian workers in the region continues unabated, including an August 25 attack that killed more than 30 residents of the Kalma displacement camp and record numbers of hijackings, kidnappings and assaults on humanitarian workers.

Finally, the letter invokes the Bush administration's legacy, calling for it to honor broken promises by standing firm against China: "We urge you to make good on your promise to the people of Darfur."

Chen:

"ANONYMOUS:
China oppresses religions, because they have one official state religion, ie. the love and worship of money"

NO....THERE ARE CONTROLS ON RELIGION SO THAT YOU IMPERIALSTS CANNOT BRING YOUR MISSIONARIES NOR POPE BACK INTO OUR FUTURE, AS YOU DID IN THE PAST.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES FROM YOU RACIST WESTERNERS.

PERIOD!!!

Muslim brothers:

To European Anonymous,

Have you ever thought about that your God Allah hates you more than hates us?

You are even a disgrace to your own religion, why don't you just be a man, stop hiding from Muslin label to truly tell others that your religion is what you interpret or what you think, which is nothing but your lie to control the poor and dominate over the weak and women.

You give other true Muslin brothers a bad name, you guys lure each other to every unnecessary death, that your God Allah presets for you, which means whether you achieve or not that you are guaranteed to die by Allah's will, that means Allah hates to see you exist in this world more than others. When your God Allah finished killing you bad people by using American force, this way the true Muslin are liberated from you guys. The world is better place, and the women you guys slave over are unbound, and the true Muslim brothers could eventually practice and obtain Peace of Allah that Koran promises as God will.

There is nothing better than this to clean off you terrorists from the face of earth. It is honor that Allah gives us to enforce his true will and to free his true submittal followers from you terrorists.

The world after WWII enjoyed a little period of peaceful time, and look now, what you guys have done? The majority Muslim brothers are good and peaceful people, but they don't include you, your job is setting fire on yourself by Allah's will. So after you die, we can have peace. Bless God! Straight to hell you East Turk Separatist, you are not a Muslim, you are nothing but waste that if we don't clean you away, it is curse for us, otherwise what a bless!

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Anonymous:

To European Anonymous,

Have you ever thought about that your God Allah hates you more than hates us?

You are even a disgrace to your own religion, why don't you just be a man, stop hiding from Muslin label to truly tell others that your religion is what you interpret or what you think, which is nothing but your lie to control the poor and dominate over the weak and women.

You give other true Muslin brothers a bad name, you guys lure each other to every unnecessary death, that your God Allah presets for you, which means whether you achieve or not that you are guaranteed to die by Allah's will, that means Allah hates to see you exist in this world more than others. When your God Allah finished killing you bad people by using American force, this way the true Muslin are liberated from you guys. The world is better place, and the women you guys slave over are unbound, and the true Muslim brothers could eventually practice and obtain Peace of Allah that Koran promises as God will.

There is nothing better than this to clean off you terrorists from the face of earth. It is honor that Allah gives us to enforce his true will and to free his true submittal followers from you terrorists.

The world after WWII enjoyed a little period of peaceful time, and look now, what you guys have done? The majority Muslim brothers are good and peaceful people, but they don't include you, your job is setting fire on yourself by Allah's will. So after you die, we can have peace. Bless God! Straight to hell you East Turk Separatist, you are not a Muslim, you are nothing but waste that if we don't clean you away, it is curse for us, otherwise what a bless!

LOLS:

Mind you,European anonymous,this is Washingtonpost. If you deem here as as your toilet,you got what you deserve.Now,everybody around this world find out the nasty color of "East Turkestan Movement" and what a East Turkestan Terrorist will behave.

Civilized people,write to your congress let them know that harboring a "East Turkestan Movement" equals to supporting Al Qaeda. Terrorists will never change their nature,though in a variety of disguise.

BTW,China is dealing with corruption and wrongdoing with the transparency of media coverage and this country is progressing to good.

Our homeland has a lot problems yet we do our work and overcome obstacles to make it better.

However,European anonymous,your homeland only exist in heaven,so you are the guest of this world and you are entitled to feel carefree to any countries' troubles and tragedies.Is it a blessing or a sad thing to you ? (I give up using C*rse to remind me we are now in a civilized era.)

You are just a spam peddler here.Bashing China does not make people understand your lunatic cause of your Islamic movement.

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Al Qaeda:

Mind you,European anonymous,this is Washingtonpost. If you deem here as as your toilet,you got what you deserve.Now,everybody around this world find out the nasty color of "East Turkestan Movement" and what a East Turkestan Terrorist will behave.

Civilized people,write to your congress let them know that harboring a "East Turkestan Movement" equals to supporting Al Qaeda. Terrorists will never change their nature,though in a variety of disguise.

BTW,China is dealing with corruption and wrongdoing with the transparency of media coverage and this country is progressing to good.

Our homeland has a lot problems yet we do our work and overcome obstacles to make it better.

However,European anonymous,your homeland only exist in heaven,so you are the guest of this world and you are entitled to feel carefree to any countries' troubles and tragedies.Is it a blessing or a sad thing to you ? (I give up using C*rse to remind me we are now in a civilized era.)

You are just a spam peddler here.Bashing China does not make people understand your lunatic cause of your Islamic movement.

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Three Chinese tourists have bought a 274-kg (604-lb) piece of depleted uranium and brought it home from Kyrgyzstan as a souvenir, the China Daily newspaper reported Monday.

The three tourists from the city of Aksu in the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region bought "the glittering treasure" for $2,000 at a flea market in Kyrgyzstan, hoping to make money by reselling it in China.

Not knowing what they had actually bought, the tourists sliced off a piece of the stone and took it to experts from Beijing's Tsinghua University. After identifying the souvenir as a piece of depleted uranium, the scientists called the police.

Local prosecutors decided against filing charges of nuclear trafficking as the men obviously had no idea what they had bought.

The three men were taken to a local clinic for medical examination, but doctors found no signs of radiation poisoning.

Kyrgyzstan has a number of uranium disposal sites left from Soviet-era uranium mining.

Depleted uranium is a weakly radioactive by-product of uranium enrichment. A radiation dose from it would be about 60% of those of natural uranium with the same mass and because of its long half-life it has no significant detrimental health effects.

Depleted uranium is used for radiation shielding in medical radiation therapy, industrial radiography equipment, and containers for transporting radioactive materials.

Anonymous:

Okay, European Anonymous, now you are happy, go head , start venting against China.

I gonna keep my silence for now, have fun.

But just remember, if you put your effort to divide my country, then you'd better clean up your butt, I'm gonna come for you in Kai Dang Ku


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Anonymous:

China oppresses religions, because they have one official state religion, ie. the love and worship of money. Although the United States has always loved free enterprise, it has always put God at the center, ie. In God we trust, and one nation under God. Polls show that most Americans believe in God. Meanwhile, China's new philosophy is that profit trumps all other values, a capitalism without any morals, cheat and who cares if you kill some dogs, cats, and even babies along the way with melamine, as long as you bring home the profits. Americans teaching in China blogged that most of their students admitted they would cheat if they thought it would get them ahead. Five thousand years of civilization ended up in naught. A violent (just look at Chinese movies that glorify plain wanton and senseless violence) freedom less (now even Chinese citizens are supposed to be so patient and understanding and can't say anything even if their babies are killed), and cheating, money-grubbing culture that cares about nothing except money and chinese self-aggrandizement. I think that all world cultures will agree that such a culture will cause the end of human culture if adopted. For all its faults, I see the democratic culture of the United States which is adopting and accepting immigrants from all races and nations and allowing the free practice of religions including Islam as the most hopeful among the competing world cultures today. I do hope Barack Obama changes US foreign policy, achieves peace and understanding with the Muslim world, and directs our efforts against the real threat to our freedoms and our way of life which is China! If Mc Cain wins, then please please together with Palin, stop this China rapproachement and sink your teeth into the real violator and corruptor of world standards which is China.

Anonymous:

China is preventing certain groups of people from fasting in Xinjiang, such as teacher's, students and government officials. It is also preventing the night prayers called taraweeh. This is direct interference in the practice of Ramadan. This is a just reason for a holy war, ie. prevention of the practice of the faith. As a natural born American, I welcome this as an opportunity for the United States and the Islamic world to work together and drop the previous animosity. The real threat to freedom in the world comes from China. I totally welcome the State Department's statement condemning increasing repression of the Uighurs and stating:"The government reportedly continued to detain Uighur Muslim citizens for possession of unauthorised religious texts, imprison them for religious activities determined to be 'extremist', and prevent them from observing certain sacred religious traditions". I hope that the US and the Islamic world can pressure China and even force China to stop repression of religious freedoms in Xinjiang that does not belong to China!

Lols:

Mind you,European anonymous,this is Washingtonpost. If you deem here as as your toilet,you got what you deserve.Now,everybody around this world find out the nasty color of "East Turkestan Movement" and what a East Turkestan Terrorist will behave.

Civilized people,write to your congress let them know that harboring a "East Turkestan Movement" equals to supporting Al Qaeda. Terrorists will never change their nature,though in a variety of disguise.

BTW,China is dealing with corruption and wrongdoing with the transparency of media coverage and this country is progressing to good.

Our homeland has a lot problems yet we do our work and overcome obstacles to make it better.

However,European anonymous,your homeland only exist in heaven,so you are the guest of this world and you are entitled to feel carefree to any countries' troubles and tragedies.Is it a blessing or a sad thing to you ? (I give up using C*rse to remind me we are now in a civilized era.)

You are just a spam peddler here.Bashing China does not make people understand your lunatic cause of your Islamic movement.

Anonymous:

Okay, European Anonymous, now you are happy, go head , start venting against China.

I gonna keep my silence for now, have fun.

But just remember, if you put your effort to divide my country, then you'd better clean up your butt, I'm gonna come for you in Kai Dang Ku.

Anonymous:

a man goes into a local store to buy some bread, but discovers there's no expiry date written on the package.

The sales clerk looks at the packet, and then gets out a pen.

"Don't worry, let me write one on for you," he says.


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Anonymous:

"Get up early, clean your teeth with carcinogenic toothpaste, and drink a glass of expired milk with excess levels of iodine and contaminated with melamine," it starts, melamine being the compound found tainting the baby milk powder.

Other delicacies it suggests eating during the course of the day are eggs tinted with banned food colourant Sudan Red, eels fed on contraceptives, and cabbage washed with DDT — all references to previous health scandals in China.

Don't forget to miss out on pork from pigs which have died of disease, a particular problem in rural areas.

"What a great day!"
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Anonymous:

China has dismissed an appeal from U.S. lawmakers to open negotiations with representatives of the Dalai Lama and accused Washington of support for Tibetan separatists.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu released a statement late Saturday, calling the Tibet issue as well as dialogue between Beijing and the Dalai Lama internal affairs of China. She added that the United States should stop, in her words, "conniving with the Dalai Lama and separatist forces" for Tibetan independence.

Jiang was commenting on a resolution passed unanimously last week by the U.S. Senate. The lawmakers called on the Chinese government and representatives of the Dalai Lama to move from dialogue to substantive negotiations. The resolution said the negotiations should address the legitimate grievances of the Tibetan people and provide them with genuine autonomy.

The Dalai Lama says he seeks greater autonomy for Tibet within the borders of China and not independence. Representatives of the exiled spiritual leader and the Chinese government are scheduled to meet in October as part of a series of talks that began six years ago.
But the head of the Tibetan government-in-exile, Samdhong Rinpoche, told VOA on Saturday that his government has not had any communication with Chinese officials since their last round of talks in July.

Samdhong Rinpoche said if the October talks do not yield progress, the Tibetan side is unlikely to continue the discussions. He said the Chinese side made unacceptable demands on the Dalai Lama at the most recent round of talks.

China has repeatedly accused the Dalai Lama of fomenting riots and anti-China protests to disrupt this year's Beijing Olympic Games. The Dalai Lama voiced his support for the Games, and threatened to step down from his post if opposition to Chinese rule in Tibet turned violent.

Tibet's government in exile says more than 200 Tibetans may have been killed in China's crackdown on Tibetan protests and many remain missing following the March uprising.

LOLS:

is nothing wrong about being Chinese, even there are many lowlife Chinese living in China.

The only thing is that we strive to become better, yeah, with our tears, blood, even tragedy... for we sow with difficulties, but we never ever lose hope, when the tears of night not yet dried, there is another sunrise, those laugh at us, so what, we don't strife for them, but against our own weakness, those who willing to walk with us or guide or help us are true friends, those who laugh or use our weakness to attack us to fulfill your wicked scheme but just another Dalai Lama and many bad Chinese, who ran away from us, now like injured dog beg for a place.

30 years river flows eastward;
30 years river flows westward.

If we Chinese ever crowd back like our enemies did, then we are not true Chinese. Don't think our own weakness could beat us down, only make us better, and that day shall come and the last who stands tall are truly have a pleasure laugh.

Be Chinese, To roots. Yeah!

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Anonymous:

Germany's economic assistance ministry is ending all financial aid to China, a spokesman said Monday, following complaints that China is rich enough to fund its own projects.

Ministerial spokesman Stephan Bethe said Berlin would no longer provide financial backing for development projects but would continue to act in an advisory capacity.

Last year the ministry provided funds worth 67.5 million euros (97.8 million dollars) to China, but has made no commitments for this year or next, the spokesman said.

The opposition Free Democrats welcomed the move, saying China had a very strong economy and did not need financial aid or low-interest credits.

Economic Assistance Minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul suspended development aid talks with China, following the outbreak of anti-Chinese protests in Tibet in May.

'In the future we will rely on a strategic partnership with China encompassing the entire federal government in order to promote reforms in justice, society and climate protection,' she told the newspaper Neue Osnabruecker Zeitung.

Anonymous:

There is nothing wrong about being Chinese, even there are many lowlife Chinese living in China.

The only thing is that we strive to become better, yeah, with our tears, blood, even tragedy... for we sow with difficulties, but we never ever lose hope, when the tears of night not yet dried, there is another sunrise, those laugh at us, so what, we don't strife for them, but against our own weakness, those who willing to walk with us or guide or help us are true friends, those who laugh or use our weakness to attack us to fulfill your wicked scheme but just another Dalai Lama and many bad Chinese, who ran away from us, now like injured dog beg for a place.

30 years river flows eastward;
30 years river flows westward.

If we Chinese ever crowd back like our enemies did, then we are not true Chinese. Don't think our own weakness could beat us down, only make us better, and that day shall come and the last who stands tall are truly have a pleasure laugh.

Be Chinese, To roots. Yeah!

rotten-world:

I am not a Chinese but I feel very sad as seeing children and adults in China have relentlessly become victims for the "money-hungers" who have paid no respect to their own Chinese people!

China has had posoned foods and foodstuffs intentionally for quite sometimes!

BUT SADLY TO KNOW IS ALL CITIZENS IN CHINA ARE IN THREATENING SITUATION AS THEY HAVE BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY POISONED BY THEIR OWN CHINESE FOLKS AS PROVEN TO THE WORLD AND IN THIS NATION FOR SEVERAL DECADES!
IT IS VERY UNFAIR TO ALL CHINESE PEOPLE NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE DOING BUT THEIR LIVES MUST BE RESPECTED AS ALL OTHER CITIZENS OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD!

1.5 BILLIONS CHINESE WHO CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO FLUSH THEIR VALUELESS REGIMES AS THE COMMUNISTS WHO ARE VERY UNFAITHFULL AND ALWAYS HIDE THE SADLY TRUTH FROM ALL CHINESE PEOPLE AND THE WORLD AS HAVE BEEN PROVEN AND WELL DOCUMENTED IN SEVERAL DECADES!
THE WORLD SEEMS TO COME TO RESCUE CHINESE PEOPLE FROM BEING HARMED BY SO MANY DEADLY MAN-MADE PROBLEMS IN CHINA! MOST CHINESE CITIZENS ARE INNOCENTS AND THEY DESERVE TO HAVE A BETTER AND SAFER LIVING CONDITIONS AGAINST MURDEROUS DEEDS COME FROM THE SILENT MURDERERS IN CHINA!

IN ESSENCE, CHINA DEFINITELY HAS VERY SERIOUS PROBLEMS IN FOOD-RELAED, AND OTHER KINDS OF PRODUCTS! WATER IN CHINA FOR SURE CAN NO LONGER TO BE SAFE TO DRINK AS LONG TIME AGO! DUE TO MOST RIVERS, LAKES AND PONDS IN CHINA ARE SO POISONED AND CONTAMINATED BY COUNTLESS HARMFUL CHEMICALS AND POISONS DISCHARGE RELENTLESSLY DAYS AND NIGHTS YEARS AFER YEARS! AND THIS WATER BLENDS INTO THE FOOD CHAIN OF THIS NATION! IN OTHER WORDS, VEGETABLE, MEAT, ETC. ALL CONTAMINATED RELENTLESSLY BY CONTAMINATED WATER IN SEVERAL DECADES! THAT IS THE REALLITY IN CHINA TODAY!
FOR ABOVE PROBLEMS AND COUNTLESS UNKNOWN PROBLEMS IN CHINA! CHINESE PEOPLE ARE VICTIMIZED BY ITS OWN SYSTEMS! AND THE WORLD MAY NEED TO COME TO ASSIST THIS PEOPLE BEFORE IT WILL BECOME TOO LATE! AND MANY MANY MILLIONS OF CHINESE PEOPLE WILL SUFFER BY ALL SORTS OF CONTAMINATIONS NATIONWIDE!!!!

Anonymous:

To rotten-world,

Bring our government to International court.

If this thing happened in Qing Dynasty, the criminals and officials whole household beheaded.
So it never happen again for such example.

You guys don't know how many Chinese feel about our current states, anger, shame, helpless, like our own family member who did capital crimes that we have to punish them to death.

one tragedy and another, and one after another, when is going to stop?

This no Greek drama, that even is too much to play for stage; how could such things happen?

Are we Chinese that lowlife? Stupid? that much of Greedy?

There is no morality at all? What kind of society that their weakest cannot be protected?

Are we Chinese really morally worse than others?

But our history of Ancestors does not tell us that?

Are we still be proud of who we are? for what we did? Only such things happens in China, Why?

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@Fools:

Well,babe European Anonymous.You just show us the neurotic symptom of rabie.One thing for sure,nobody here doubt you get handsome pay for occupying this place. You are sooo- professional and devoted! But don't think everybody like you,doubltalker and slanderer.

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The farmers instead opt to sell their produce to 'milk dealers' who have the facilities to dilute the product before selling it on to companies like Sanlu for
a huge profit.

To make matters worse, there has been a cover-up. A government inquiry revealed that Sanlu had been sitting on an ever-growing pile of letters from concerned parents. Ultimately whistle-blowing duties fell to Fonterra, a New Zealand-based dairy firm with a 43 per cent stake in Sanlu.

There are also reports that staff at Baidu - China's home-grown version of Google - received emails from a Beijing-based PR firm who offered 3m yuan if the Baidu search engine would censor all negative news relating to Sanlu and melamine. Baidu said no.

So why the wait until September for a product recall? In a word: the Olympics.


Go, China, Go!

LOLS:

Just a tiny Iraq is soooo- enough for super power big brother SAM to grapple with.If SAM want to do,the failing of an unprecedented empire is beginning and golden chance for another emerging empire,which might be Russia? Germany? France? Japan?-collect your guys' wisdom.

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But in China, government officials do not do well with mandate all kids must be in school to receive education, whatever ethnic they are, they all Chinese, but I often see many little Tibetan monks and Ugher kids are 7-18 old that never attend to school, only to be brainwashed by their parents and their biased religious books that is doing no good to them and the nation and majority people.

If China government did a good job to educate those people from young age, by now they would not have unrest problem, just like US, that you may find every race, every cultured, every religious serve in the US army tanks in Irag, that is a good job of education of ethnical people in think one thought and serve One Nation.

I pray China government force the education law, that young kids from 5-18 must attend government set school for free, and they must graduate by common standard, and those kid should not receive any biased education by their parents, whether Christian, Buddhism, Tibetan, or Islam, if any parent do not send their kids to school and train their kids to practice biased religion, then jail time and penalty

Anonymous:

rotten-world:
To World civilized nations:

Another Striking News from China:

"CHINA HAS "MELAMINIZED" ITS DAIRY PRODUCTS THAT THE WORLD HAS NEVER DISCOVERED THIS CHINESE TECHNOLOGY!"

References:http://www.reuters.com/news/international (Nearly 13,000 in hospital as China super milk scandal grows):

.....The Health Ministry said the number of children hospitalized due to the milk powder contaminated with the industrial chemical melamine rose from a previously announced total of 6,244 -- which included many who had left hospital -- to 12,892, including 104 who were in a serious condition.

More than 1,500 had already left hospital and nearly 40,000 with milder symptoms "received clinical treatment and advice" before going home. The ministry did not explain the sharp rise.....

BY USING COMMONSENSE, ALL NEWS READERS WILL SOON REACH THE FACT THAT MILLIONS OF CHINESE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN CONTAMINATED BY MELAMINE! THIS IS DUE TO EACH DAY, EACH MONTH, EACH YEAR MILLIONS OF CHINESE BABIES AND CHILDREN HAVE CONSUMED MILK "BOOSTED" BY MELAMINE INVENTED AND EXPERIMENTED BY "CHINA EXPERTS"!
ALSO, THE WORLD WILL ALSO FIND NUMEROUS MILK-BASED PRODUCTS IMPORTED FROM CHINA ALSO HAVE MELAMINE "BOOSTED" BY CHINESE EXPERTS IN CHINA FOR THEM TO EXPERIMENT THEMSELVES AS WELL!

This world has become unsafe while continue to import MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS! AND ALL WILL ALL PAY THE PRICE AS THE MILLIONS OF CHINESE CHILDREN
ARE PAYING NOW!!!!

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GOOD NEWS!

Give them two choice:
1) Be Chinese and live in China!
2) Move out! And Don't come back!

If they blame on religion, then give up;
If they blame on culture, then give up;
Anyway for everyone, love your country first!

Whether you are American, or Chinese.

Anyone feels unhappy to live in his country, then get out. Simple.

Anonymous:

To rotten-world,

Bring our government to International court.

If this thing happened in Qing Dynasty, the criminals and officials whole household beheaded.
So it never happen again for such example.

You guys don't know how many Chinese feel about our current states, anger, shame, helpless, like our own family member who did capital crimes that we have to punish them to death.

one tragedy and another, and one after another, when is going to stop?

This no Greek drama, that even is too much to play for stage; how could such things happen?

Are we Chinese that lowlife? Stupid? that much of Greedy?

There is no morality at all? What kind of society that their weakest cannot be protected?

Are we Chinese really morally worse than others?

But our history of Ancestors does not tell us that?

Are we still be proud of who we are? for what we did? Only such things happens in China, Why?

rotten-world:

MELAMINIZED DAIRY PRODUCTS IN CHINA IS A MASSIVELY INTENDED POISONING DOMESTIC FOOD AND DAIRY PRODUCTS!

ONLY CHINA THE UNIQUE NATION ON EARTH HAS APPLIED THE USES OF :

MELAMINE
PORMALDEHYDE
DIETHYLENE GLYCOL
LEAD, MERCURY, CADMIUM, ARSENIC, ETC., HEAVY METALS
INSECTICIDES
AND UNKNOWN POISONOUS CHEMICALS AND CARCINOGENIC SUBSTANCES

TO APPLY INTO FOOD PRODUCTS MADE IN CHINA TO CONSUME DOMESTICALLY AND EXPORTING TO OTHER NATIONS: SOME NATIONS HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED BY THIS KIND OF BUSINESSES IN CHINA AS:

BURMA, JAPAN, BANGLADESH, BURRUNDI, YEMEN, TAIWAN, PHILIPPINES, VIETNAM, CENTRAL AMERICAN NATIONS, USA, ETC. AND GROWING!!!
ALL WORLD NATIONS MUST SEARCH FOR POISONED PRODUCTS COMING FROM CHINA FOR ADDING INTO THE WORLD LIST OF VICTIMIZED NATIONS!!!

SINCE CHINA HAS EXPORTED ITS PRODUCTS TO OTHER NATIONS COUNTLESS PROBLEMS AND DEADLY OCCURENCES HAVE SURFACED!

WHAT THE WHOLE WORLD WILL COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF IMPORTING EXTREMELY RISKY PRODUCTS COME FROM CHINA????

Anonymous:

To rotten-world,

Now you are fully explained your opionion, and I think your posts are better and clearer than the first one, even though I am Chinese I have agree with you that our our don't have professionalism to do anything just like our men's soccer team.

I love my country China, but I hate her too because most people are selfish and uneducated due to the communist leading result of the past 60 years.

As my old grandma often nagging that why modern Chinese are so unself-disciplined, and why nowadays Chinese must need foreign people to whip to work for better result, only donkey need to whip to bring result, of course I was kid that time I did not fully understand what she meant.

But since I have met many Chinese I felt ashamed about what they do and their disgracefulness, so I agree with you that Don't buy "Made In China" is good thought.

I have to go with truth, If I meet those guys who built the low standard building that buried our young students in Sichuan, or those who selling bad formula, I would want to shoot them myself, that is how I feel.

I hope only God could help us now, or death.

rotten-world:

To World civilized nations:

Another Striking News from China:

"CHINA HAS "MELAMINIZED" ITS DAIRY PRODUCTS THAT THE WORLD HAS NEVER DISCOVERED THIS CHINESE TECHNOLOGY!"

References:http://www.reuters.com/news/international (Nearly 13,000 in hospital as China super milk scandal grows):

.....The Health Ministry said the number of children hospitalized due to the milk powder contaminated with the industrial chemical melamine rose from a previously announced total of 6,244 -- which included many who had left hospital -- to 12,892, including 104 who were in a serious condition.

More than 1,500 had already left hospital and nearly 40,000 with milder symptoms "received clinical treatment and advice" before going home. The ministry did not explain the sharp rise.....

BY USING COMMONSENSE, ALL NEWS READERS WILL SOON REACH THE FACT THAT MILLIONS OF CHINESE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN CONTAMINATED BY MELAMINE! THIS IS DUE TO EACH DAY, EACH MONTH, EACH YEAR MILLIONS OF CHINESE BABIES AND CHILDREN HAVE CONSUMED MILK "BOOSTED" BY MELAMINE INVENTED AND EXPERIMENTED BY "CHINA EXPERTS"!
ALSO, THE WORLD WILL ALSO FIND NUMEROUS MILK-BASED PRODUCTS IMPORTED FROM CHINA ALSO HAVE MELAMINE "BOOSTED" BY CHINESE EXPERTS IN CHINA FOR THEM TO EXPERIMENT THEMSELVES AS WELL!

This world has become unsafe while continue to import MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS! AND ALL WILL ALL PAY THE PRICE AS THE MILLIONS OF CHINESE CHILDREN
ARE PAYING NOW!!!!

rotten-world:

CHINA HAS "MELAMINIZED" ITS DAIRY PRODUCTS THAT THE WORLD HAS NEVER DISCOVERED THIS CHINESE TECHNOLOGY!

References:http://www.reuters.com/news/international (Nearly 13,000 in hospital as China super milk scandal grows):

.....The Health Ministry said the number of children hospitalized due to the milk powder contaminated with the industrial chemical melamine rose from a previously announced total of 6,244 -- which included many who had left hospital -- to 12,892, including 104 who were in a serious condition.

More than 1,500 had already left hospital and nearly 40,000 with milder symptoms "received clinical treatment and advice" before going home. The ministry did not explain the sharp rise.....

WHO ON EARTH STILL LOVE TO BUY "MADE IN CHINA" PRODUCTS??? WHILE CHINESE HAVE SEEN STARTING TO SHY AWAY FROM THEIR OWN PRODUCTS ALREADY!

MAYBE THE WORLD MUST RETURN ALL "MADE IN CHINA" PRODUCTS TO LET CHINA TO REINSPECT THEM AND KEEP THESE "GOOD STUFFS" IN CHINA ONLY!

REMEMBER! MELAMINE IS NOT THE WORST "CHINA" CHEMICAL! DUE TO CHINA ALSO USES FORMALDEHYDE, DIETHYLENE GLYCOL, INSECTICIDES, LEAD, MERCURY, ETC., TO MIX IN "MADE IN CHINA" PRODUCTS AS SEEN IN THE PAST AS:
1/ MEAT, NOODLE, ETC., TREATED WITH FORMALDEHYDE! 2/ MADE IN CHINA SYRUPT TREATED WITH DIETHYLENE GLYCOL!
3/ MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS WELL TRETED WITH LEAD, MERCURY, ARSENIC, CADMIUM, ETC.
4/ MADE IN CHINA FOODSTUFFS TREATED WITH INSECTICIDES EXPORTED TO JAPAN!
5/ CRABS AND SEAFOOD MADE IN CHINA TREATED WITH LEAD TO BOOST WEIGHT EXPORTED TO S. KOREA!
6/ MILK MADE IN CHINA BOOSTED WITH MELAMINE EXPORTED TO TAIWAN, JAPAN, BURMA, BURUNDI, MIDDLE EAST COUNTRIES!
and many many more "good stuffs" made in China exported to the world!

WILL THIS WORLD STILL WANTS TO CONSUME "MADE IN CHINA" WITHOUT CHANCES TO SACRIFICE THEIR CITIZENS' LIVES???? WHILE MOST CHINESE IN CHINA ARE TRYING TO EAT IMPORTED FOOD AND MILK FROM THE CIVILIZED WORLD FOR PROTECTING THEIR LIVES! THESE CHINESE FOLKS FINALLY RECOGNIZE THAT FOOD FROM THE UNCIVILIZED NATION IS BAD FOR THEM AND FOOD FROM THE CIVILIZED NATIONS ARE GOOD FOR THEM AT LAST!!! AT LEAST THEY ENDED UP IN THIS COMMONSENSE APPROACH AT LAST TO SAVE THEIR LIVES AND THEIR CHILDREN!
FOR VERY SURE MILLIONS OF CHINESE CHILDREN ARE CONTAMINATED WITH MELAMINE!!! AND SOONER OR LATER THIS FACT WILL SHOW UP FOR ALL TO FRIGHTEN AGAIN!!!


Anonymous:

To rotten-world,

But you forget what's good to feed rats nutrients food?

No matter what you feed your family, you are still the same, lowlife rats disgustingly continued your existence on the surface of earth.

Your family don't even deserve any food.

rotten-world:

At last countless Chinese women will decide to breastfeed their babies is much much safer than "Made In China" milk!

Also, the world will have to think twice to buy "Made in China" food and other products!

Fortunately, my family never ever buy "Made in China" food including chinese milk! chinese cheese! chinese foodstuffs! And that's why we still live without being poisoned!

I'm coming:

"During the biblical floods in southern China in '98, China's Central Television ran footage of wet nurses dispatched to the barricades to offer their milk to Chinese soliders. The CCTV footage showed one Chinese GI rubbing the stuff into his hair."

Is it on youtube?

Anonymous:

European Anonymous is an Indian seed, who still holds the British drew border map that China disagrees, that is why he works so hard provoking ethical conflict and international war for China right now.

One of the reasons Dalai lives in India that they have a deal, if Tibet were independent, then Dalai would agree the border map that British drew while occupied India last century.

They all use each other.

Anonymous:

To Dear Kay:

----I'll bet any amount of money Mr. Pomfret didn't train his kids on the potty.----

Are you kidding?

John Pomfret attended Nanjing University in his Kai Dang Ku:), he also made himself American one by cutting off the crotch of his cowboy jeans.

He's got a red potty carrying around everywhere he goes:) on it painted a pair mandarin ducks and he also wear a red Du Duo (Belly Cover) that a traditional diamond shape inner clothing that covers belly and chest (that usually only Chinese women and kids wear) that embroidered silk Chinese fat bod and fat girl carrying giant peaches for good luck of fertility:)

Dawn:

But breastfeeding is not best at all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8BjnGCNahU

fetish?:

A bunch of guys are talking about breastfeeding. Are you guys have breast fetish?

Big Doubter:

You obviously don't know anything about the Chinese.

Kay:

Breastfeeding is best. It's a shame that some moms can't do it (due to illness, stress, medications, work), but that's life. You do your best. It's probably better to feed your kid formula and enjoy having a baby rather than force yourself to breastfeed, end up with postnatal depression and resenting the poor kid. So everybody, climb off of mom's back. She's doing her best, whatever that is.

I find it very interesting, the amount of hatred directed at moms who don't breastfeed rather than pointing that hatred at the two MEN who actually poisoned the babies. Hmmmm... issues people. You all have ISSSUES.....

However, I have an issue with this statement in the article...

"For one, Chinese kids used to be toilet trained -- during waking hours -- at around six months and could go by themselves at 14 months. Now, like Western kids, the process is stretching into their 2s and 3s."

That's a load of you know what. Babies can't be trained at six months. It's the poor mother who gets trained to hold Jr. over a potty twelve times a day after she learns the "I'm going to do a number" face. We can be pretty sure a man wouldn't spend the better part of his day sitting around waiting for Jr. to do his business.

In my book, potty trained means the kid saying, "Mom, gotta go!" and making his or her way to the toilet. If a baby has to have someone carry him there, hold him over the seat and wipe his rear, then that child is not potty trained. Many kids still can't walk at 14 months, so stop perpetuating the myth that in china there are 12 month old babies going, "Do excuse me mei mei, I have to go potty. Be back in jiff".

I'll bet any amount of money Mr. Pomfret didn't train his kids on the potty. I'll bet mom got stuck with that job. As well as the breastfeeding.

Lols:

Anonymous:

If that is all for China, I am very impressed. India, my country, has ten times that in the same period. Nobody in the West is interested in reporting it.

---

You are indian.. where are you exsactly from?

Aside that indian english reports are very good and you can get more even very much more than from China.
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Well,babe European Anonymous.You just show us the neurotic symptom of rabie.One thing for sure,nobody here doubt you get handsome pay for occupying this place. You are sooo- professional and devoted! But don't think everybody like you,doubltalker and slanderer.

Anonymous:

If that is all for China, I am very impressed. India, my country, has ten times that in the same period. Nobody in the West is interested in reporting it.

---

You are indian.. where are you exsactly from?

Aside that indian english reports are very good and you can get more even very much more than from China.

Anonymous:

If that is all for China, I am very impressed. India, my country, has ten times that in the same period. Nobody in the West is interested in reporting it.

Anonymous:

Chinese scandals in the past 18 months
September 20, 2008 Edition 1

2006-2007: The cancer-causing red dye Sudan IV is found in a series of products ranging from cosmetics to poultry and chilli powder.


March 2007: Producers of pet food sold in North America and South Africa have to issue a recall when animals start dying. The tainted ingredients turn out to be wheat and rice derivatives from China, to which melamine has been added to boost protein content.


June 2007: Several countries issue recall warnings about Chinese-made toothpaste as well as a precursor ingredient for medicines, which is found to contain a chemical used in antifreeze for vehicles. China bans the ingredient after reports that dozens may have died in Latin America from ingesting the ingredient in medicine.


June 2007: Importers of Chinese toys to the US issue recall warnings after they are found to be coated with toxic lead paint. Similar products are later banned in several countries.

June 2007: The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration recalls 450 000 tyres made by leading tyre maker the Hangzhou Zhongce Rubber Co. The company denied that its tyres were defective.


August 2007: In the biggest recall to date, the US company Mattel issues a warning over 18-million Chinese-made toys coated with lead paint.


January 2008: At least 10 consumers in Japan fall ill after eating Chinese-made dumplings, causing a major scare.


September 2008: Chinese media report that babies have died or fallen ill after being fed with tainted milk. As of yesterday, four infants were known to have died, some 6 200 were ill and a dairy product scare was affecting the entire country.

Anonymous:

Godly Kai Dang Ku (Free Copyright)
By Chinese Emily Dickinson who happened to be a guy.

Oh Kai Dang Ku, Kai Dang Ku,
The Kai Dang is cool,
as Adam met Eve in truth,
God's will of Kai Dang Ku.
Liberty! Beauty! Integrity!
As Children of the Christ,
walk in truth, frankly speak,
pee a cup living water pure,
that better than the politician's lie,
or any hypocrites' fluid,
do not afraid of Kai Dang Ku,
do not ashamed of Kai Dang Ku,
For Kai Dang is always cool.
I praise thee, the Godly Kai Dang Ku.

Anonymous:

test

Anonymous:

here is a song that tribute to Kai Dang Ku.
(Kai: Open. Dang: Crotch. Ku: Pants)

Title: Kai Dang Cool
Song Edited from Phil Collins In The Air

I've been wearing this thinging for all my life, Oh Love.
I've been wearing this thinging for every night, Oh Love.
Can you see me smiling in the air tonight, oh love, oh love.

Well, if you told me you were shouting
I would not let them go
Ive seen your face before my friend
But I dont care what ever you say
Well, I'm stay here and I know it is good
I feel them with my own two balls
So you can wipe off the grin, I know what youve mean
Its all about lies

I've been wearing this thinging for all my life, Oh Love.
I've been wearing this thinging for every night, Oh Love.
Can you see me smiling in the air tonight, oh love, oh love.

Well I remember, I remember dont worry
How could I ever forget, its the first time, the last time we ever wear
But I know the reason why you keep your silence up, no you dont fool me
The hurt doesnt show; n my balls still show
Its no stranger to you or me

And I can cum on your face for every time, oh love...

End.

For American who disrespect Kai Dang Ku, but Kai Dang is truly cool.

Anonymous:

To Stephanie:

Yeah, but we Chinese all wear our Kai Dang Ku on our first movie date, first kiss, and on high school prom... that's the future of world fashion.

I vote for NY, Paris, London, Milan do a Fall Fashion show for all supermodel wear Kai dang ku, I guarantee you that TV rating gonna sky rocketing (forget about Zhang Yi Mou's Olympic Ceremony Show), it's Kai Dang Ku time, in fact I wore my Kai Dang Ku arrived US Airport passed Immigration Check up, and We Chinese should give to your American Sweetheart lovely Britney a pair also:)

Wait until you see me wearing it, I sometimes put it on my head as a hat also:)

Like or not, Kai Dang Ku is coming:)
Oh America, Change Is Coming:)
More Kai Dang the more better!:)
If George Bush wears Kai Dang Ku, then more American would trust him:)
Maybe all your Senate should wear Kai Dang Ku,
It's true Liberty!

Stephanie:

There is nothing worse than kai dang ku. If I have to see another Chinese mother allowing her children to relieve themselves literally smack-dab in the middle of the sidewalk with other pedestrians, I am going to scream.

soundbite:

I did not direct the comment towards you, it was directed to the person who said he or she is a Chinese person and was apologizing to the American people. Sorry I used your word.

Anonymous:

To soundbite,

Please don't use my bullcrap word, that's my word.
And I suggested more American to China to work.

Anonymous:

By Chinese Emily Dickinson who is a guy (Free Copyright)

Think about America,
that disallow a mother
to breastfeed her child
in the country of liberty.
oh, her baby is calling,
and the mother is crying,
but the moral cop stands by
with a wood stick to watch...

Even though she is no Janet Jackson,
for the glamorous glare in light,
nor a porn star of vanity fair
for crop she must reap for roof
and food, and her dear son
who's longing for his need,
but no, America disallows
the mother to breastfeed her child.

I don't know what's liberty,
Nor do I know human rights.
But I see the eye of baby
calling for his mother milk.

I don't care democracy,
Nor care common wealth.
But I call in public,
that mother must breastfeed!

soundbite:

Who is the nucklehead who said that China needs more American people to work for them to make the country better??? Bull crap!!!
There are greedy and evil people no matter which country you are from; these tainted milk, pet products, and poisoned toys happen because China has so much corruption going on and too lax on their regulation and quality control policies. They cannot rely on anyone but themselves to solve their bloody mess! Chinese people should not feel ashamed for themselves; they just need to stand up against corruption and demand strict quality regulations! They certainly don't need Americans or any other countries to mind their business!

By Chinese Emily Dickinson:

By Chinese Emily Dickinson (Free Copyright)

Think about America,
that disallow a mother
to breastfeed her child
in the country of liberty.
oh, her baby is calling,
and the mother is crying,
but the moral cop stands by
with a wood stick to watch...

Even though she is no Janet Jackson,
for the glamorous glare in light,
nor a porn star of vanity fair
to crop she must reap for roof
and food, and her dear son
who's longing for his need,
but no, America disallows
the mother to feed her child.

I don't know what's liberty,
Nor do I know human rights.
But I see the eye of baby
calling for his milk.

I don't care democracy,
Nor care common wealth.
But I call in the public,
the mother must breastfeed!

Anonymous:

Think about America,
that disallow mother
to breastfeed her child
in the country of liberty.
oh, her baby is calling,
and the mother is crying,
but the moral cop stands by
with a wood stick to watch...

Even though she is no Janet Jackson,
for the glamorous glare in light,
nor a porn star of vanity fair
to crop she must reap for roof
and food, and her dear son
who's longing for his need,
but no, America disallows
the mother to feed her child

Anonymous:

you ain't kidding?

We ain't have inner self, we have ever have, the world would not become like this.

Since Adam and Eve chose to eat the fruit of wisdom tree, people started to judge each other until hell breaks.

Looking to your inner self:

This is silly. A bunch of guys in here are talking about breastfeeding. You all should look deeper in yourself to see if you have some kind of fetish.

Anonymous:

ha ha,

it is better than Xi Fan, or Mi Tang.

Ask John Pomfret what that means.

Ben:

A lactating post...

Anonymous:

There are two different brainwashed terms we need to be clear that America is not Empire, maybe in the past, but not now; China is no more communist country, maybe when fighting Kong Min Tang, definitely not now.

Otherwise, why all of the Western giant corp fighting for a spot in China?

Anonymous:

bullcrap,

if the the future scientist find out that no baby formula is matching the nutrients of breastfeeding, which is a crime that she does to her infant, that suppose to receive all the wellbing rights from her mother, but the mother just refuse to breastfeed because of her own selfish lazy habits. What the society will do, then how about a grandpa fed his grandson a few drops of his liquor because the baby wants what adults drink, or having religious extremists to brainwash their kids to grow up and kill others for their need of religion?

The government should protect the week, the infants.
they belong to their nation, not their parents, because on their passport state they are American or Chinese... not their parents, or Jew, or Christian, or Muslim, or belong to Bin Laden, or belong to the individual belief of any US president. And those leaders or blinds will one day answer to God for how they lead and protect.

It is not only baby formula or breastfeeding.

Anonymous:

evey society has some sort of problems. there could be more scandles in america than that of in china. NO PREJUDICE IN MODERN civilization!

J. Conrad:

What's the point of the exclamation "Science!"? How do you think they discovered the melamine in the formula? A herb-induced revelation to a local shaman?

How women feed their infants is nobody's business but the woman's. The same thing with diapers.

Thereisnospoon:

Tainted formula today, Soylent green tomorrow

True democracy comes from a core group of patriots who are willing to sacrifice everything to establish a representative government. Part of that process involves convincing your countrymen that there is a need to move towards democracy.

Maybe the mothers within China's population could cry out in unison for such change to come. They could march in the streets while nursing their babies and chant: "Fake milk today, Soylent green tomorrow, our farmers, the capitalist corporations and our government cannot be trusted!"

We could have a sympathetic demonstration in our streets protesting the dwindling of our pension funds and retirement accounts due to corporate greed and failed government oversight.

The problem lies deeper than the system of government you live under. Conscientious citizens and strong families will guarantee a prosperous and healthy society.

“Soylent green is people!”

Lols:

Anonymous:

Let us invade china to establish a democracy the way we did in Iraq. This is as good an excuse as we can ever get. Let us put in a US style democracy and pull those savages out of dark ages into 21st century. God bless America. Down with communist.
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Just a tiny Iraq is soooo- enough for super power big brother SAM to grapple with.If SAM want to do,the failing of an unprecedented empire is beginning and golden chance for another emerging empire,which might be Russia? Germany? France? Japan?-collect your guys' wisdom.

CB:

Yet another histrionic, poorly researched WP piece.

Please post facts, even simple ones like the historical rates of breastfeeding in China & the US would be of help, as versus sweeping and unsupported generalizations.

Then - even if it violates Post standards - readers might be able to make their own informed decisions.

Been There:

Well hopefully by now you all see this is not a breast fed issue. It is tainted (on purpose) milk and milk products, adults are affected too.

Its fake milk people! Created to deceive, like many Chinese fakes.

Anonymous:

Let us invade china to establish a democracy the way we did in Iraq. This is as good an excuse as we can ever get. Let us put in a US style democracy and pull those savages out of dark ages into 21st century. God bless America. Down with communist.

Inman:

I love this new scandal. Another example of Chinese cultural superiority. Go China!! Oh wait, there is more rmb to be made killing each other before you go. then GO CHINA!!

truth serum:

Its a equally bizarre culture where parents don't even raise their own children, but, turn that task over to the grandparents. The biologigical parents are so disconnected to their children that it makes one realize that they have a child to give their mother something to do. I know plenty of children that are lucky if their parents interact with them an hour a week. They have no time, they are out shopping and enjoying their life! All this talk about love of family..what a bunch of crap.

Degreed nutritionist:

No scientist contends that formula is as healthy, nutritious, or developmentally appropriate as breastmilk. Most women choose to breastfeed, but are persuaded to buy formula instead either by deliberate misinformation or lack of specific education and support necessary to breastfeed.

Formula causes a certain number of deaths in every country every year, even when it is made "correctly." This is because formula is non-physiologic and puts all babies at risk.

Most people have difficulty understanding risk unless it is near 100%. What percent risk of death, pain, or illness is acceptable for the "convenience" of using an expensive substitute for mother's milk?

Kea:

It's not just infant formula that's been contaminated. Here in Hong Kong, we've discovered melamine contamination in yoghurt and ice cream bars from the Mainland. Adults could be getting sick too. But maybe nobody has noticed yet because adults don't rely on an exclusively dairy diet and kidney stones aren't seen as particularly unusual in older people.

Independent:


Pomfret's contention that reduced breastfeeding and increased use of diapers are indications "the Chinese are junking their traditions," is an absurd generalization. These two examples are hardly matters of major cultural importance.

Yangsian:

In all the talk about the superiority of breast feeding, people are forgetting the extraordinarily high migrancy rate in China and the impossibility of bringing babies along. Instead, Chinese parents universally leave the babies with the grandparents. And in many localities, fresh milk is unavailable or else not very fresh. There may be no choice other than milk powder.

Anonymous:

We need more foreign corporations and peoples to work in China to influence Chinese and government and society, not only Olympic but a long term program for majority Chinese to observe the professionalism of Western ideal about life and wellbeing.

So if you people do want to do some good things, go to China, just work and teach there, the pay is not that bad, and your effort would serve not China but your countries also, and it is like travel.

Jukecheckedeyskirt:

It is an unfortunate tragedy that the babies and mothers who are suffering the pain and anguish of heart in seeing their babies fragile state have to endure at this time . It must be even more agonising for the chinese people that this embarassment to their countries food regulatory standards are now under immense scrutiny and uncertainty.

In all of this mayhem, blame and shame a valuable lesson is being learnt from this mishap and that is; there can be no relaxation, flexing or short cuts taken when formulating food products.

Dawn:

The situation with the contaminated infant formula in China is tragic but I'd like to put it in perspective. There are about 784 000 deaths of children 5 years in China each year. Most of these deaths are in infants (worldwide the figure is about 70%deaths are in childrenn under 1 year). In China about 40% of under 5 deaths are due to diarrhoea and pneumonia. A large proportion of deaths are because of artificial feeding. Infants 0-5 months of age who are not breastfed are at least 7 and 5 times more likely to die from diarrhoea than exclusive breastfed babies. There are likely up to or even more than a hundred thousand deaths each year in China due to artificial feeding. Since these babies are mostly fed "acceptable" formulas they get no publicity. These are acceptable deaths.

I've seen the advertising of infant formula in China. I've spoken to parents about how they feed their babies. They really believe that it is good for their babies and the more expensive the formula the better it is. Listen to the words of parents in the new articles about the contaminated formula..."but we bought the expensive formula, we thought it must be good."

A couple of years ago a country with a population of 3.5 million (Botswana) had a flood. It's estimated that perhaps 1000 children under 2 years died. Nearly all of these children were artificially fed. Imagine if 1000 babies died in your city/state over a period of 4 months? A greater tragedy it is hard to imagine. It got almost no publicity. Again, these babies were being fed "acceptable" formula. These were "accepted" deaths.

I for one do not accept this. It is not acceptable for 1.5 million children to die each year or for 1.5 million mothers to lose their babies every year because of culture or because a company wants to make money. We have to fight it.The deaths in China due to contaminated formula are but a drop in a much bigger and sadly, largely unrecognised, bucket!

Anonymous:

Stefanie Sellars:
I feel sorry for the Chinese in many ways. Their Nation is at the place in terms of their regulatory enviroment that the United States was at the turn of the 20th century. Go back into our history and see what it took (read - how many people died or got very sick) before companies cleaned up their act. We had rat feces and rat body parts and rotten meat in sausage and no one was the wiser until people got sick or died. We had officials being paid off left and right and it took people being affected by the problem that are in high places politically and economically for it to stop. It is the will to make it stop that stops the problem. In China there are layers of people who will look the other way for some extra cash while the contaminants flow. It has to hit home - meaning that people have to be PERSONALLY AFFECTED for change to happen. People have to be willing use economic warfare to fight against companies and stop using formula.

It is so sad in China, because once they start using formula for a while - their breastmilk is GONE.

Breastmilk is the perfect food provided by nature for your child and it is a tragedy that people don't use it. This tragedy is a preventable one.

All we can offer those who want to breast-feed is fenugreek and breast stimulation by your baby.

The only other thing I can think of is to hire a wet-nurse who is certified to be disease-free and healthy.

My heart goes out to all those Chinese women with no options. Maybe Mead-Johnson - who makes Enfamil here in the US is willing to ship some over to you there?

I wish there was a hormone shot that could make your milk flow again. I feel for you.

I have breastfed my son since birth and believe that humans are mammals and that is what breast are for. My son was 5 weeks premature and now at almost 7 months he is average on his growth curves. He has come a very long way and is very healthy on just breastmilk. I have been fortunate to have a supportive husband and lactation consultant and breastfeeding mothers support group.

Chinese women - call the countryside where you may have your hometown and see if there is a breastfeeding woman there who would be willing to be hired to feed your child.

I can't imagine the pain and fear you must all be suffering. Plus only getting to have one child and having this be the result.

I pray that there are some viable options for you.

As for the product safety in your country i fear that will be more carnage. Try not to use products that are easy to contaminate.

I feel for you.

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WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. what a crap!

Anonymous:

To Fred,

Ask out female gymnasts, they may give you a pair:)

I want to see you wear kai dang ku to ride your Italian bike.

Criminal to feed your child formula!:

It is not surprising that bottle feeding is more popular than breastfeeding. Consider it almost criminal to feed your child formula. Our priorities are all out of order. Now before guilt leads you to send inflamitory remarks, DO YOUR RESEARCH FIRST!

1. Research the ingredients of formula and then compare that to 7up or blue powerade. The top ingredients in formula over 98% are water, cornsyrup, sugar and oils. Consequently, take a bottle of powerade and a daily vitamin and you have the equivalent of baby formula. Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.

Everything boils down to what are your priorities?

Is a house, another car, more clothes or the convenience of not cooking or being there for your child more important than their health?

What happened to the days of hand me downs, backyard garden, older car, apartment and just doing without? We've convinced ourselves that we have to have a good sized house, 2 cars, 2.5 children, both parents working and living near a city is the American Dream.

My dream is that I research products before introducing them to my family, own what I can afford and do my best to spend more time with my family instead of my co-workers.

The point is, research your product before giving it to one of the most important people in your life and be willing to make life changes to accomplish that if necessary!

Fred:

Where can I get a pair of kai dang ku for myself? I want to wear them around the office.

Stefanie Sellars:

I feel sorry for the Chinese in many ways. Their Nation is at the place in terms of their regulatory enviroment that the United States was at the turn of the 20th century. Go back into our history and see what it took (read - how many people died or got very sick) before companies cleaned up their act. We had rat feces and rat body parts and rotten meat in sausage and no one was the wiser until people got sick or died. We had officials being paid off left and right and it took people being affected by the problem that are in high places politically and economically for it to stop. It is the will to make it stop that stops the problem. In China there are layers of people who will look the other way for some extra cash while the contaminants flow. It has to hit home - meaning that people have to be PERSONALLY AFFECTED for change to happen. People have to be willing use economic warfare to fight against companies and stop using formula.

It is so sad in China, because once they start using formula for a while - their breastmilk is GONE.

Breastmilk is the perfect food provided by nature for your child and it is a tragedy that people don't use it. This tragedy is a preventable one.

All we can offer those who want to breast-feed is fenugreek and breast stimulation by your baby.

The only other thing I can think of is to hire a wet-nurse who is certified to be disease-free and healthy.

My heart goes out to all those Chinese women with no options. Maybe Mead-Johnson - who makes Enfamil here in the US is willing to ship some over to you there?

I wish there was a hormone shot that could make your milk flow again. I feel for you.

I have breastfed my son since birth and believe that humans are mammals and that is what breast are for. My son was 5 weeks premature and now at almost 7 months he is average on his growth curves. He has come a very long way and is very healthy on just breastmilk. I have been fortunate to have a supportive husband and lactation consultant and breastfeeding mothers support group.

Chinese women - call the countryside where you may have your hometown and see if there is a breastfeeding woman there who would be willing to be hired to feed your child.

I can't imagine the pain and fear you must all be suffering. Plus only getting to have one child and having this be the result.

I pray that there are some viable options for you.

As for the product safety in your country i fear that will be more carnage. Try not to use products that are easy to contaminate.

I feel for you.

pgr88:

I don't blame the manufacturers - blame the farmers. China's hundred millions of farmers can not all be kept on the straight-and-narrow. Some will break the law by diluting and adulterating their milk.

Yes, of course milk companies could be more cautious, but there are many ways to cheat them.

Anonymous:

As a Chinese I feel bad this kind of things happen to people, 2 years ago the toys almost choked American kids, and now baby formula.

I apologize, and hope our government could improve regulation and punish those bad people.

We need more American QC people move to China to work, so our production standard be improved.

China need more American people to work for her.

Observer:

Maybe somebody or organization should start an organization to provide free or low cost milk power to disadvantage mothers worldwide. Maybe a generic brand to be produced but safe and reliable to distribute to needy. sadly, many parts of the world especially rural areas not able to provide such luxury. I share the sympathy and hard time these mothers are going through.

Alex Thuronyi:

I think this situation points out that when it comes to issues of life and limb, we and the Chinese are sharing the same sets of risks. In effect, we have ceded all our hard-fought-for gains in health and environmental protections, economic and political justice and economic sustainability. This is frightening beyond all measure. It has already caused a death in my family. This symbiotic pairing of compulsive production (Chinese end) and consumption (US end) at a time when the world is coming up fast against environmental limits like deforestation and climate change, is terrifying. Babies, hospital patients, pets - the most vulnerable among us, ar victimized while greedy Wall Street, corrupt Government and apathetic America look on. Now we see what this gains us economically. Where is the up-side?

Dana Hunter, Yummy Mummy from England:

Okay, sooo only 2 to 3% of women for medical reasons cannot breastfeed, this is a fact. The mothers and babies who come under this % really do need ARTIFICAL MILK, if they cannot express their own milk and/or be able to afford human milk from a milk bank. Guilt should never come into the equation as most women do not make an 'informed choice' about how they feed their baby. This 'choice' is usually dictated to them by the huge advertising budget of the ARTIFICIAL MILK companies who violate the WHO code and dress up the fact that ARTIFICAL MILK is made from cows milk which they cannot, due to it being made on a production line keep bacteria free. This is then dressed up as being 'Inspired by Breastmilk'. The WHO code (please see the Unicef website)does not recognise formula as 2nd best but 5th best. Breastfeeding should NEVER hurt if it does seek some help as the baby is not latched on correctly. For the rest of the % who can breastfeed.....do it dont use an imitation that is 'Inspired by Breastmilk' use the real thing and dont 'BUY' into the advertising. Try swopping the 'Benefits of Breastfeeding' with the RISKS of not!

EL:

It is so sad how those manufacturers would do something like this to hard babies. Also, lack of government inspection and quality check before and after sale. Those organizations needs to be shut down.

As an Chinese American, I feel so ashamed those companies portraited their people. This should trigger nationwide audit across the board. This would be worse than our financial crisis. AIG, Morgan Stanley, Lenn Brothers, Meryln Lynch.

Anonymous:

not to mention that breastfeeding women have much less chance to gain breast cancer than the women do not, or, never breastfeed.

Mother of 3:

Breastfeeding is a very difficult concept for any man to understand as well as any woman who has not experienced her milk not coming in, an improper latch, or sore and bloodied nipples. Yes, we are all well aware that breastmilk is best, but let's not forget that there are various other components and factors that attribute to an IQ score, health, wellness, and weight.
I stongly believe women should be encouraged to breast feed and America needs to get more on the ball by granting breastfeeding mothers more rights (ie-more time off post partum, nursing stations while at work, discounted nursing products) to help mothers be successful at nursing.
No mother should be condoned for choosing to formula feed her baby, chances are the decision is much harder, emotionally, for the mother and the last thing she needs is society casting her aside and accusing her of being 'selfish' or an 'inadequate' mother.

Breastfeeding Mother:

Okay, let's wake up people. If you read the research that's out there, by far breast milk is more nutritional and economical. If more Chinese mothers did choose to breast feed their infants, formula will be one LESS thing they would need to buy.

As quoted from the Association of Pediatrics website: ..."while formula can't exactly match the nutritional make up of breast milk and doesn't contain the added benefits of infection fighting anti-bodies, it never the less serves as a very reliable purpose for those who are not able or choose not to breast feed".

Breast milk is superior to formula plain and simple. And, if a mother chose not to breast feed that's perfectly fine, but there are other options besides just formula. Has anyone ever heard of milk banks? By turning to breast milk banks, these mothers could still choose the best milk for their babies (breast milk) and not have to burden themselves with breast feeding if they didn't want to. Check out the website below:

http://www.milkinmamas.com/

Doctor and Mom:

Interesting discussion. Of course, no one should blame the Chinese mothers for greedy formula companies poisoning their babies. Hopefully, though, a silver lining to this horrible situation may be a return to breastfeeding. Studies show formula-fed babies have more infant illnesses, higher SIDS rate, more obesity and diabetes as adults, and even slightly lower IQ. Its not easy to breastfeed and work (I know!), but its possible for almost all women with the proper support of family and employers.

Anonymous:

But what about my mom who could not provide me breast milk due to her sickness condition?

Baby formula is only for moms who can provide milk, such as exp: fake tits, plastic breasts

Bill:

1. In the good old days, only women in poor families breast fed their own babies, with a few exceptions. Any well to do family would hire a wet nurse to do the job, and left the mistress to do whatever was fashionable. Therefore, breast feeding your own baby is looked at as a sign of "can't afford anything better."

2. Milk powder has been considered a cleaner, better, and, more importantly, more modern way to raise a child. Only ignorant and poor people would ever breast feed.

3. I have seen Chinese mother using Coffee Mate (a great detergent, according to my Swede friends) to make baby formula for their own children. I have no idea what to call this.

4. Marketing of milk powder producers.

Producers suppose to market their product, including lying about it, and not to protect the consumers rights. It is the government's job to stop the lying, while giving the 'right' information to the mothers.

Doctor :

Formula is marketed as a convenient, healthy alternative to breastmilk instead of labeled as the inferior, artificial substance that it is.

By all standards, nursing promotes the best health for babies, toddlers and their mothers. Lactation is a normal function of a mother's body designed to meet the explicit developmental needs of her child. Human milk could be available to ALL babies if formula companies were rejected.

I hope that the horrific news of tainted formula will compel more people to demand [the free and natural miracle of] breastmilk for all babies!

Raoul's Sister:

Three issues here:
1. regulation of food in China
2. the changing societal structure where women are working more, home less and who deals with the kids
3. what comes out of those kids after they eat

Come on - we all know there should be better food regulation. It certainly has been sacrificed to a growing economy. Sadly, some little kids had to die to bring it to light. While this happened in China it certainly isn't limited to China. This occurs in the US all the time - e.coli in hamburger, tomatoes, jalapenos, anyone?

Breastfeeding is great, no doubt. It just isn't always an option. There's no point demonizing the parents because they are trying to support their families.

(I preface this by saying I am currently toilet training my 2 year old) Regarding the split pants and "taking your child to the potty when they need to go." What do your floors look like?


Anonymous:

"Behind the Tainted Formula Scandal...Chinese Women can't Breastfeeding because they are too young to do it.."

Think their female gymnasts.

Anonymous:

"Behind the Tainted Formula Scandal...Chinese Women Don't Like Breastfeeding"--

#AEhhmm! i was so free to fix your crap:

"Behind the Tainted Formula Scandal...Chinese Women can't Breastfeeding because they have no time to do it.."

Susan:

If China wants to advance in this modern world and become a prosporous country, it needs to shape up its product regulation policies. If they don't, All countries would start to ban many products from China. It is greed and corruption that will hurt China's economy. How many more babies will die from these greedy cooperations before something is going to be done? All guilty people involved should be sentenced extremely harshly by China!

Anonymous:

The real issue at hand is food safety. The underlying reason for the contaminated milk is the absence of a sound food safety policy, policy implementation, enforcement and lack of accountability. The problem is systemic not personal.

You cannot blame mothers who, for many reasons, are not able to breastfeed and are forced to resort to milk powder. Infant formula may be inferior to breast milk but it is nonetheless a real alternative to breastfeeding, if the mother cannot produce sufficient milk due to health or other reasons. Unlike in the U.S., staying-at-home moms have the luxury of breastfeeding their babies while in China, for many households, the husband's income simply cannot provide for the entire family and new mother are often forced to return to full-time employment shortly after giving birth. While they’re away at work, how could they manage to breastfeed?

The second point is a little more radical and I expect many, especially men, to disagree with me. But here it is. It’s curious why breastfeeding is still equated to a moral obligation? Shouldn’t it be a choice that women can make, just like a vaginal delivery and a c-section? If a woman is able to breastfeed, then fine. Good for her. If not, it's perfectly O.K. to use formula. Why give these women a hard time about it and try to make them feel guilty? Some Chinese mothers are already distraught by the loss of their children, it appears to be arrogant and cruel to stand on the moral high ground to point fingers at them.

When the quality of formula is compromised, the most urgent and fundamental problem is to regulate the unscrupulous manufactures and reform the incompetent food and drug administration rather than placing blame on these poor women! Women, regardless of their culture and nationality, will do whatever it takes to ensure healthy growth of their own babies. It has nothing to do with whether or not they “like” to breastfeed. Let’s not muddle the issue of a faulty market regulatory system with personal and familial choices.

Thereisnospoon:

I did not mean to blame Chinese women for not breast-feeding. I apologize for any offense.

The blame lies squarely with the companies that chose to produce the tainted formula. Greed is to blame for allot of the problems that we are seeing today, E.g., the financial market scandals.

It is also sad that people in general have to spend so much time away from their families just to maintain our 'standard of living'.

Patrick: How’s my spelling and grammar?

Mommy:

I think we're confusing the issue. It's entirely possible to breastfeed and work if your baby is at home. I did it. They have breast pumps in China, I presume? Obviously if your baby is in another province living with your parents, that's a different situation, but I don't buy the arguments from women commenting that they couldn't breastfeed because they needed to go back to work. If you have another reason, let's hear it, but that one won't fly with this hard-working, milk-pumping mommy.

Cecilia:

I think the chinese women should be in the streets
demonstrating against the companies who made the formula and valued profits over human life. Instead of blaming the mothers for not breast feeding we need to make the baby formula manufacturers accountable. There are many reasons why some mothers can't nurse their baby and we need to have safe alternatives. I think the Chinese women are smart enough to no longer trust the quality of baby formula and we will see an appropriate increase in breast feeding.

Ozzie:

Why are we blaming the women for not breastfeeding? This is ridiculous; the company that produces the formula is not regulated closely enough and that is why babies are dying, not because women in China choose not to breast feed. Pig!

patrick:

see? my comment below would not make people think because there's a grammatical error therein, which everyone notices. proof read your comments!!

patrick:

spell check your comments, you ill-educated morons! your argument is immediately offset, no matter how convincing, but careless errors.

Eric:

To "Catherine, Chicago"

Some of the best products is made in china too.
Is all about how much money you are willing to spent. If You wanna go to the f--king 99cent store to pick up some s--t from china of course is gonna be crap that is going to break down in few days.

And wow, so a few bad businessmen makes the whole chinese society a society that is willing to poison their children ?

"what do you think they would do to yours?"

I guess Chinese people are the ones invented all the fast food restaurants imported out around the world put so much sugar in all the foods their children eats, make their childern so fat to increasing the chance for them to get diabetes, such evil civilization we must get ride of them

Anonymous:

Posted on September 18, 2008 12:31

phil:

You should go ask a woman from China if you really want to know the answer. Who the hell here can answer you!

C. Merritt:

Chinese women breast feed on a limited basis as they have to return to work as soon as possible. It is not the case that they have turned away from breast feeding. Frequently their mothers or mothers-in-law are taking care of their child. Chinese women also have to retire at 55years. Consequently, their parents generation are available for daily care of grandchildren. Sometimes the child may be sent to another province where the grandparents live.

Anonymous:

Posted on September 18, 2008 12:11

Nursed 3 kids,

It is very nice that you work a 40 hr/wk and have only 30 min. one-way commute. I work a 50 hr. week (at least) and my commute is one hour each way.

My career is important to me. I do not have children. If I ever do, my career will be in the toilet, I suspect, for a few years.

Phill:

Hey Freda: Good luck requiring or regulating that there should be 'clean water' for everyone on the Earth. While you're at it you should require that everyone have perfect health and happiness!

Mary:

Being born in China, I was not breast fed because my mother was told that her breast milk was not good for me and my siblings because she was not healthy enough. I do believe it was an American company that was selling formula in China that was spreading this false information.

phil:

How can Chinese women feel comfortable in such a draconian coutry like Red China and its 1 child formulas/policies.

Hoo:

It's always entertaining to see people justify themselves and point at others. Come on! How you think the food safety in US? 100 percent garanteed? How you think the moms that have to work to support family and can't really breast feed their baby? So irresponsible that their baby should be taken away from them, huh? Yes, there's greedy and criminal went for long in this infants formula thing, but at least they got punishment when they bustard. As I know, the CEO of the first caught dairy company has been arrested and more might be got in future. Then look at the Wall Street, there's also greedy and criminal went for long ,and what happened when they bustard? People from all world have to spend billions of $ to save them.

Working on your own problem first. Thanks.

bill in new york:

victor in cleveland: really? I am surprised you finished typing that message and your computer has not "break" yet! wow must be miracle.

Eric:

Breast feeding and working are up to the indivual person.
China did not poison these children, some greedy poeple did.

Jim:

Racist? I think it is nationalist. With so many woman working now, it only makes since that formula feed babies increase. Besides the issue of breastfeeding vs formula feed there are much bigger issues in China to be concerned over. The one child policy has led to massive numbers of early and late term abortions. I personally know people that had abortions just because the baby was a girl.

A hole:

Thanks "Anonymous", I'll stop posting 'cause you said so. You are really important after all.

Anonymous:

How about DO NOT post any comments if you cannot write a complete sentence! It's hard enough trying to follow these crazy thoughts about Chinese women!

Thereisnospoon:

Breasts are the best thing God ever created! It is the fruit of the tree of life. Even small ones make good, sweet milk. This can never be duplicated or replaced by formula.

My children were all breast fed by my wife for up to 2 years each and they are strong and healthy today.

I hope that this sad situation prompts a global reaction and that breast-feeding is embraced again.

Chris:

If any of your brains were as big as your opinions (that are passed on as fact), you would all be much better off. But it's unlikely your peanut-brain will allow any of you to comprehend that.

Anonymous:

It is not Chinese moms' fault i would say, PLEASE DO NOT make comments if you have NOT cleared about the truth behind this issue.....

Anonymous:

Breast is the Topic.

Wow 30 minutes, 30 comment posting.

What's next?

Comparison of Chinese and American vagina?

You people are awoke.

Anonymous:

It is not Chinese moms' fault i would say...do not make comments if you have not clear the truth behind this issue..

victor in cleveland:

Catherine in Chicago, I agree with you completely. Everything I buy from China is either bad, dangerous, made incorrectly or breaks immediately upon use. I do not blame the people of China only the ones in power.

Breast is best?:

Actually there are NO studies that show current formula is worse then breast milk.

Nursed 3 kids:

Lets do some math.
168 hours in a 7-day week
minus 45 hours (working/commuting)
gives us 123 hours a week with our kids.
Say we sleep 8 hours per night (what a joke, if you have ever had a child in your home over night you know how funny this is!)
X one week is 56 hours
subtract from 123 hours
gives us 67 hours (awake) with our kids.
Babies & toddlers sleep more than 8 hours a day, school-age children are in school 4-6 hours a day...
OK, no more math.
Mom's who need to work (and let's face it, most of us do not have the luxury/opportunity not to work) are STILL available to their children more than they are working.
They can breastfeed their children- you just have to be committed to giving your child the best you possibly can.
We can't all "choose" to stay home with our kids, much as we may yearn to, but it is possible to breastfeed them for as long as you like AND work.
I'm not a superwoman, and I did it, three times, with the support of my husband, employer, and my wonderful (and thouroughly back-ground checked and referral checked)home day-care provider (who I was not related to in any way).
We can't all be "perfect", but it doesn't take too much effort to take good care of our kids. It just takes time and committment.
My heart breaks for these families who've lost their babies to this poison formula, and I hope that those babies sickened will recover fully.

em:

Many Chinese women don't breastfeed, because to keep their family from starving, they have to work 45-60 hrs /week and or work away from their home. Many families are split due to both parents having to work in different cities. This is a purer capitalism that even in US we are used to, but it is becoming more common here as well.

Been There:

Steven,

Catherine is not racist. Having spent much time there, this is a prevalent problem in China.

This all boils down to essentially fake goods.

Read about this chemical and how is was used, and you will realize this is no different than fake Rolex, fake golf clubs, or designer hand bags.

This was essentially fake baby milk.

Freda:

I believe in breastfeeding, however for women ( of any ethnic group or nationality ) who chooses not to, there should be safe formula and clean water.

Also for any company to put profit before health safety ( of any age group ) is reprehensible.

Did the executives of those companies feed any of their babies this formula ?

As far as potty-training is concerned, American parents have fallen into that trap of 'my kids can do anything they want whenever they want', including wearing diapers to kindergarten and pulling my breast out at the mall at age 6.

Children will become adults and rules are for everybody in a polite society.

Rules begin at birth and end at death.

Plus, most likely the increase in 'poop' born diseases can be traced to increased age of potty-training.

Bob:

China doesn't have as much regulation on manufacturing as the USA. They are at the level the USA was in the early 1900's before the book, "The Jungle" came out. They do keep things quite in China. For instance, statistics on traffic incidents are not publicly reported. I've been to China twice and have relatives there. For the most part, in China, safety is the individuals responsibility. In China there may be a gaping hole in the sidewalk 5 feet deep, but there are no warning signs or tape around that hole. If you fall in that hole, it is your own stupid fault for not paying attention. Sidenote: a majority of prescribed drugs are composed of base ingredients that are manufactured in China. You can't easily avoid Chinese products by just looking at the label.

Dave:

"Anonymous:

To Catherine, Chicago:

---If 'China' is willing to poison its own children with its lack of regulatory restraint, what do you think they would do to yours?---

Beware how you play your word politics, it is not China, but a few bad Chinese businessmen are poison Chinese babies, and they will be shot, and regulation will be made.

Can you say America are looting their own citizens and the people in middle east, by holding a few bad American who loot and kill?

Individuals don't represent whole."

--

Notice how Catharine said "lack of regulatory restraint". She did not say "the country as a whole likes killing children by feeding them poisoned baby formula".

And, how do you suppose a few bad businessmen who also happen to be excessively rich circumvent the regulatory processes? It's because they and the government bodies in China are excessively corrupt! (Obviously there are several reasons for this and maybe incremental change is fixing this). And why do you think people are hesitant to acquire products from a country whose citizens seem to think that businessmen whose faults become apparent must be "shot"? Why do you think people are hesitant to acquire products from a country where regulation is only put in place after an international disaster?

Furthermore, the leadership of a nation and a nation's public actions on a global scale do represent its populace to a certain extent. Which is why the democratically elected (open to debate) George Bush has turned Americans into laughing stock for the whole world!

I second Catharine's advice; do not purchase consumables manufactured in China be it toothpaste or baby formula or drugs. Heck, don't even buy baby toys made in China! The last thing any of us would want to do is wake up one morning to kids suffering from lead and melamine poisoning from Chinese products!

To Fred:

Some mothers have to work full time to support their family's well being. How about you try not to judge other people in a forum where you don't know people's circumstances. Breast is best, period.

Breastfeeding Mother

Josqueline:

Im sorry Fred, how dare we working mothers provide for our families.

maybe i should stay home with my kids and collect welfare. would that make you happy Fred?

I would love to stay home with my baby but that is not possible for every family this day and age. If I want a roof and food... i gotta work.

Anonymous:

humm...who cares if they love breasts or not. The real and only issue I see here is that there are people, past and present, willing to put poison in food (pet food as well) to gain extra bucks.

M Williams:

And another disgusting thing about this whole debacle. It doesn't become a big deal until it affects people outside of China. Until New Zealand chimed in, China went on its merry way, knowing the problem existed.
China quietly inflicts nasty things on their own, and only outside pressure brings it to the fore.

steven:

catherine in chicago is a racist and blind to all the food and recalls we have here in the states.

greedy people exist in all cultures and right now some greedy people have created a problem in china. just as the greedy people here in america serve up bad beef, etc.

ReX:

The "Anonymous" comment is actually incorrect as well as irrelevent--women who've had breast augmentation usually can breastfeed.

Bill :

Bull! I live in China most of the year and especially in the villages women will breast feed anywhere anytime...quit amuzing!

Fred:

I love the "Moms" that say they have no problem taking care of their children while working 45 hours a week.

That is not a mother, that's a visitor.

Dan:

While I don't disagree with the sentiments regarding the importance of breast-feeding, there something about this article that is so American-centric and borderline racist. Those "bad" chinese mothers--it's their fault I guess that they fed their babies poison.

Anonymous:

Dear First Poster.

Breast Implants DO NOT inhibit the ability to breastfeed. Women prefer NOT to breastfeed if they have implants because it will cause them to sag.

Breastfeeding Mother:

I think it's horrible and shear laziness that keeps mother's from breastfeeding. There are very few people who physically cannot breastfeed. I have a 9 month old son who I still continue to breast feed. I am not a stay at home mom. I work 45 hours a week on a construction jobsite where I'm able to pump breast milk for my son. If we know what's best for our babies, why won't we give them what nature intended for them to drink? There are so many nutritional aspects of breast milk that formula cannot even replicate.

wow:
Anonymous:

To Catherine, Chicago:

---If 'China' is willing to poison its own children with its lack of regulatory restraint, what do you think they would do to yours?---

Beware how you play your word politics, it is not China, but a few bad Chinese businessmen are poison Chinese babies, and they will be shot, and regulation will be made.

Can you say America are looting their own citizens and the people in middle east, by holding a few bad American who loot and kill?

Individuals don't represent whole.

Breastfeeding mom:

It is sad how the commercialization of child rearing has convinced us that children should eat artificial junk and then sit in their own waste for hours because changing a diaper is "easier" than taking your baby to the potty when they need to go. I think as the US becomes more environmentally conscious of the impact of disposable diapers that infant potty training will make a comeback in addition to breastfeeding. I learned how to do it from the book "The Diaper Free Baby" by Christine Gross-Loh and recommend it for all parents interested in a happy baby and a healthy planet.


Tom:

Why is the first poster usually a troll?

Breastfeeding in the US is up to 75% in the early postpartum period. Exclusive breastfeeding is much lower, but something is still better than nothing.

Implants can impair breastfeeding if too much damage was done, but scar-hiding techniques such as armpit incisions also have the side benefit of decreasing damage to the mammary apparatus.

In breastfeeding, as in many areas (environment, food and drug safety, worker exploitation), China seems to be recreating the trajectory of development in the West. Perhaps this means that breastfeeding will make a comeback in the next decades.

Catherine, Chicago:


If China is willing to poison its own children with its lack of regulatory restraint, what do you think they would do to yours?

Avoid all Chinese products. Make sure none of your pharmaceuticals were made there, especially.

Anonymous:

John,

I have to apologize to you that my personality is very disagreeable, so I disagree with anyone and anything and everyone and everything, I like your blog but in a disagreed fashion.

So don't be troubled.

Anonymous:

---After a few decades, we'd(American) junked those ideas and now in the 21st century we've re-embraced the breast.---

Crap.

Can you find a pair real breasts in US?:)
Can you squeeze milk from plastic breasts?:)
Not even from cows!:)

Ha ha, John, how long you have not come back in US?:)

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