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Why You Might Want to Be a Little Worried About China's Bad Milk

Should Americans be learning something from the Chinese tainted-milk scandal? Should we be worried? Concerned? A little queasy?

You might say, "Not a problem, it's happening on the other side of the globe." Of course the story so far -- four dead infants, 60,000 sick, and the bureaucratic fallout just beginning -- is pretty grim. Asia is worried: Brunei, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, Bangladesh, Burundi and the Philippines are all either testing Chinese dairy products or pulling them from their stores. Kids have been stricken with kidney stones in Hong Kong.

But the FDA has said we don't import China's milk products. So don't worry.

I disagree. If the scandal illustrates anything, it's that China's product safety system is woefully ill-equipped. And that's pretty sobering news from a country which is the second biggest supplier of goods to the United States.

A big chunk of that is food. From 1996-2006, U.S. imports of Chinese food, agricultural, and seafood products increased 346 percent to 1.833 milion tons. China is the third leading supplier of food (after Mexico and Canada) to the U.S., and the second biggest supplier of fish. Drugs and vitamins, too.

That vitamin C you're popping each morning? Chances are the ascorbic acid was Made in China. In the past several years, the number of FDA-registered drug manufacturers in China has nearly tripled. They went from 440 in 2004 to almost 1,300 in 2007.

Over the last years, the Chinese have had their share of foreign food and product scandals. Chinese-made pet food was laced (like milk) with melamine, killing scores of American dogs and cats. Then there was the lead paint on Chinese toys.

The Bush administration made the obligatory noise about cracking down on Chinese goods. But the reality was that, according to a series of agreements signed between the Bush administration and the Chinese government in Beijing in December of last year, no significant new American resources are going to be devoted to dealing with the problem. The onus is on the Chinese to clean up their act.

Today, I heard Nicholas Lardy, one of the premier economists on China, say his big takeaway from the milk scandal was simple. It was "ludicrous," he said, to expect that a country such as China (still quite poor) could police itself when it comes to product safety. The Bush administration, Lardy said, was naive to sign agreements with China that didn't commit the United States to bolstering its own systems to protect Americans from tainted products.

He's right -- and that's why the spiked milk in Hebei province should worry all of us here.

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Comments (88)

Howard:

This blog - Pomfret's China - should learn from NYTimes blogs that they should have moderators to check the comments and enforce the rule of comments... Otherwise, it only make people think the blog, without moderation, finally become a stinking public toilet... No good for Pomfret and Washington Post's reputation!

Anonymous:

I am a Chinese living in US. I am glad so many people are posing on China.. which is a good thing anyway.

I love both countries.. History writes itself. lets sit back and see..

I have a life to live So I have to stop here.

Wish you all well.. stay wealthy in this market..

Tim


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whahahaha..

1: you are not chinese.
2: here are only 4 people posting on China. 2 of the are troll (Lol and Folls are the same trash) second is a russian hacker who took over this blog.

Anonymous:

brent:
Abrreviate for god sakes!!! No one wants to sit and read your pages of spammed, identical postings, sequentially posted one after the other.... and why not use your name anonymous....

I must say this is perhaps the worst comment section on a Chinese blog I've come across.....there is no discussion in these blowhards' hour long posts, just rehashed newstories from elsewhere, just give me a goddamn link for crying out loud.

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YEahh! here with chinese ángry spam rehashed from elsewhere and propaganda Bullsh-it! just GTFO ars_ehole.

Tim PA:

I am a Chinese living in US. I am glad so many people are posing on China.. which is a good thing anyway.

I love both countries.. History writes itself. lets sit back and see..

I have a life to live So I have to stop here.

Wish you all well.. stay wealthy in this market..

Tim

brent:

Abrreviate for god sakes!!! No one wants to sit and read your pages of spammed, identical postings, sequentially posted one after the other.... and why not use your name anonymous....

I must say this is perhaps the worst comment section on a Chinese blog I've come across.....there is no discussion in these blowhards' hour long posts, just rehashed newstories from elsewhere, just give me a goddamn link for crying out loud.

speaking of chinese lies..:

Just days before the Olympic Games began in August, a truck plowed into a large group of paramilitary officers jogging in western PRC, sending bodies flying, Chinese officials said at the time.

They described the event as a terrorist attack carried out by two ethnic Uighur separatists aimed at disrupting the Olympics. After running over the officers, the men also attacked them with machetes and homemade explosives, officials said. At least 16 officers were killed, they said, in what appeared to be the deadliest assault in China since the 1990s.

But fresh accounts told to The New York Times by three foreign tourists who happened to be in the area challenge central parts of the official Chinese version of the events of Aug. 4 in Kashgar, a former Silk Road post in the western desert. One tourist took 27 photographs.

Among other discrepancies, the witnesses said that they heard no loud explosions and that the men wielding the machetes appeared to be paramilitary officers who were attacking other uniformed men.

That raises several questions: Why were the police wielding machetes? Were they retaliating against assailants who had managed to obtain official uniforms? Had the attackers infiltrated the police unit, or was this a conflict between police officers?

“It seemed that the policeman was fighting with another policeman,” one witness said. All of the witnesses spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of running afoul of the Chinese authorities.

Chinese officials have declined to say anything more about the event, which was the first in a series of four assaults in August in which officials blamed separatists in the East Turkestan autonomous region. The attacks left at least 22 security officers and one civilian dead, according to official reports.

On Aug. 5, the party secretary of Kashgar, Shi Dagang, said that the attack the previous day on the police officers, which also injured 16, was carried out by two Uighur men, a taxi driver and a vegetable seller. The Uighurs are a Turkic Muslim group that calls East Turkestan its homeland and often bridles at Han Chinese rule.

One man drove the truck, Mr. Shi said, and the other ran up to the scene with weapons. The attackers, who were arrested, had each tossed an explosive and when they were captured had a total of nine unused explosive devices, machetes, daggers and a homemade gun, he said.

He never mentioned attackers in security uniforms. Neither did reports by Xinhua, the state news agency. One publication, the North American edition of a Hong Kong newspaper, Ming Pao, did, citing police officials in East Turkestan, who now refuse to elaborate on the events.

Chinese officials have long sought to portray violence in East Turkestan as a black-and-white conflict, with separatist groups collectively known as the East Turkestan Islamic Movement carrying out attacks. Officials cite the threat of terrorism when imposing strict security measures on the region.

But the ambiguities of the scene described by the witnesses suggest that there could be different angles to the violence. When asked whether terrorists were involved, a Uighur man who on Friday drove past the scene of the attack said, “They say one thing, we say something else.” Other Uighurs say the attackers were acting on their own, perhaps out of a personal grievance.

The three witnesses said they had seen the events from the Barony Hotel, which sits across the street from a compound of the People’s Armed Police, China’s largest paramilitary force, and another hotel outside of which the attack occurred.

One tourist took photographs, three of which were distributed by The Associated Press in August. He showed 24 others to The Times.

At around 8 a.m. on Aug. 4, the photographer was packing his bags by the window when he heard a crashing sound, he said. When he looked up, he said, he saw a large truck career into a group of officers across the street after having just hit a short yellow pole.

Chinese officials said later that the truck had barreled into 70 officers jogging away from the compound.

The photographer said that the truck then hit a telephone or power pole and slammed into the front of the other hotel, the Yiquan, across the street. A man wearing a white short-sleeve shirt tumbled from the driver’s side, he said.

“He was pretty injured,” the photographer said. “He fell onto the ground after opening the door. He wasn’t getting up. He was crawling around for four or five seconds.”

The photographer raced into the hallway to get his traveling companions, a relative and a friend, from another room.

The two others had also heard the crash and were already in the hallway. All three dashed to the window in the photographer’s room. The photographer said he had been gone for about a minute. Back at the window, he said, he saw no sign of the truck driver.

The friend said: “The first thing I remember seeing was that truck in the wall in the building across the street. I saw a pile of about 15 people. All their limbs were twisted every which way. There was a gentleman whose head was pressed against the pavement with a big puddle of blood.”

“I remember just thinking, ‘It’s surreal,’ ” he said. “I had this surreal feeling: What is really happening?”

The tourists said the scene turned even more bizarre.

One or two men dressed in green uniforms took out machetes and began hacking away at one or two other men dressed in the same type of uniforms on the ground.

“A lot of confusion came when two gentlemen, it looked like they were military officers — they were wearing military uniforms, too — and it looked like they were hitting other military people on the ground with machetes,” the friend said.

“That instantly confused us,” he said. “All three of us were wondering: ‘Why are they hitting other military people?’ ”

The photographer grabbed a camera for the first time and crouched down by the window. His first photograph has a digital time stamp of 8:04 a.m., and his last is at 8:07 a.m. The first frames are blurry, and the action is mostly obscured by a tree. But it is clear that there are several police officers surrounding one or more figures by the sidewalk.

The photographer said that there had been two men in green uniforms on their knees facing his hotel and their hands seemed to be bound behind their backs. Another uniformed man began hitting one of them with a machete, he said.

“The guy who was receiving the hack was covered in blood,” he said. “A lot of the policemen were covered in blood. Some were walking around on the street pretty aimlessly. Some were sitting on the curb, in shock I guess. Some were running around holding their necks.”

The friend recalled a slightly different version of the event. He said he had seen two uniformed men with machetes hacking away at two men lying on their backs. “I do kind of remember one of them moving,” he said. “He was definitely injured but still kind of trying to squirm around.”

The relative also saw something different. He said a man in a green uniform walked from the direction of the truck. “A policeman who wasn’t injured ran over and started hitting him with a machete,” the relative said. “He hit him a few times, then this guy started fighting him back.”

After being hit several times by the machete, the uniformed man fell down, and at least one other police officer came over to kick him, the relative said.

It became clear to the tourists that the men with machetes were almost certainly paramilitary officers, and not insurgents, because they mingled freely with other officers on the scene.

While all this was happening, the three tourists said, a small bang came from the truck. It sounded like a car backfiring, the friend said. Black smoke billowed from the front of the truck.

The machete attack lasted a minute or two, the tourists said. One uniformed man then handed his machete to another uniformed man who had a machete, the friend said. One of the photographs shows a man walking around clutching two machetes in one hand. Another photograph shows a uniformed man carrying a rifle with a bayonet, a rare weapon in China.

Other officers were trying to disperse civilian onlookers, the tourists said. One of the officers saw the photographer with his camera in his hotel room window, the tourists said.

For about five hours after that, police officers locked down the hotel and went room to room questioning people, the tourists said. They seemed unthreatening, the tourists said, but they kept asking about photographs and checking cameras.

“They asked if we took any pictures; we said no,” the relative said. The tourists had stuffed the camera into a bag. “They asked if we sent any e-mails. I said no.”

The photographer said that while at breakfast, he saw white body bags on gurneys being wheeled to vans. In the afternoon, when people were finally allowed to leave the hotel, workers were spraying down the street with hoses, he said.

The truck was gone. Except for a bent pole across the street, there was no sign that anything had happened.

Lols:

Anonymous:

All that was left on the chin of the Muslim man praying at the huge brownstone mosque was a small patch of stubble. He said officials had forced young men in China's far western Xinjiang region to cut off their beards at the start of the holy month of Ramadan.
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Shush!!!Euro Anoymous'paparazzi report!!!!

"If I didn't shave, they would do this to me," said the man, who put his wrists together as if handcuffed, his eyes bulging with anger. "If I say more, I could be arrested."
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Shush!!!Euro Anoymous'tabloid report!!!!

He gave only part of his name, Arem, and stomped away.
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His name is "little bunny," a top secret.

For Muslims, Ramadan is a time of fasting and prayer. But for Muslim ethnic Uighurs, the holy month is also full of fear and seething resentment about increasingly tight restrictions on how they practice their moderate form of Islam, influenced by the Sunni and Sufi sects.
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Only terrorists will feel nervous because they have blood in their hands and are afraid of being caught.

Managing the restive Turkic people is developing into one of China's biggest challenges. Like the Tibetans, the Uighurs have been unwilling to buy into the government's plan: greater economic prosperity instead of greater religious freedom or autonomy.
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Hell is the optimal place for terrorists,where no survival materials needed and 32 brides rewarded by Satan.

This year has been especially jittery in East Turkestan, a sprawling territory three times the size of France that is home to 9 million Uighurs (pronounced WEE-GURS). Despite ramped-up security in the region before the Beijing Olympics, a string of bombings and deadly attacks — the worst wave of violence in a decade — deeply embarrassed China under the global spotlight.
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Terrorist Killers never feel ashamed and as such are never embarrassed.

China blamed terrorists, but has yet to release evidence that links terror groups to attacks that killed 33 people in Kuqa and Kashgar in western East Turkestan.
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Yeah,Chinese blew themselves off,you stupidity.

With the Olympics over and the world's focus elsewhere, it seems to be payback time for East Turkestan. Overseas Uighur rights groups have accused the government of mass arrests, which police deny. Uighurs interviewed by The Associated Press in Kuqa and Kashgar complained of sweeping detentions but would not say more. In Kuqa, security officials followed an AP journalist for most of his visit.
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What goes around,comes around. Terrorists should be wiped out on this planet--the world's consent.

The most obvious signs of tension are the tight restrictions on Ramadan, which ends this week.
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Terrorists are looking for any crack on the egg shell.The most capable thing terrorists can do is blow off a vast group of innocent civilians.

Several local governments have posted lists of warnings on their Web sites, including a detailed one by the township of Yingmaili in Xayar county, near Kuqa. Government employees, teachers and students can't fast during Ramadan. Mosques can't host out-of-town visitors or play video and sound recordings. Proselytizing in public is prohibited. Surveillance of mosques must be increased. Restaurants must stay open during the daylight fasting period.
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People are just warned to be careful of praying in the public venue,where terrorists' bomb can reach the maximal effect.Furthermore,an additional explosion will embarrass this Chinese government,so it has to take care of the public security as well as save face (the word you favor).

"All effective means must be used to make sure that men shave their beards and that women remove veils that cover their faces," adds the notice.
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Not sure if it is a rumor.If it is true,so what? Terrorists like beards and woman veils to cover them up.Take thousands lesson from terror in Iraq.

A slogan painted on a wall in the area warns Muslims it is illegal to make the annual pilgrimage to Mecca except with a government-sanctioned tour group.
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Yeah, terrorists cannot wait to bring some new weapons from their mid-east brethren.Now feel disappointed? Euro anonymous just sent out a bunch of AK-47 to his cousins in Saudi Arabia.

Such restrictions have long been on the books but were selectively enforced, said Dru Gladney, an expert on Uighurs at the Pacific Basin Institute at Pomona College in California.
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Should be nice to terrorists? Nope!

"The government has really been enforcing these restrictions in East Turkestan more than in the past," Gladney said. "In other Muslim areas in China, you certainly don't see these similar kinds of restrictions."
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My Muslim friends in YunNan,a south west part of China,told me that they do not understand those terrorists' cause,which is against Allah's will.

In many ways, East Turkestan is China's Siberia. This harsh land of snowcapped mountains and scorching deserts is broken up by oil fields and oasis cities surrounded by lush fields of cotton, melons and grapes. The territory has been China's nuclear test ground and home to an extensive "laogai," a gulag-like prison system.
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East Turkestan is Siberia?? No wonder you dislike us treat XinJiang as the "promising land".So we develop it and make prosperity over there.In contrast,you and your cousins are demolishing it.

East Turkestan also shares borders with Russia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other Central Asian nations — a volatile neighborhood that makes Beijing nervous.
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Too bad,Russia,Pakistan,Afghanistan,and other central Asian countries do not know the existence of East Turkestan.They know of cooperation with China to eliminate the same group of terrorists harrassing those countries all along.

In a recent 14-page speech, regional Communist Party leader Nuer Baikeli accused "hostile Western forces" of trying to foment Uighur discontent, politicize religion and split East Turkestan from the motherland. He also warned that crazed Islamic extremists in neighboring countries were training Uighurs to carry out terrorist attacks in China.
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Is there any exaggeration? Nope! All we Chinese never doubt about this.PLA is fully supported domestically and has the ability to protect its own country and people from harm.

Military and security forces frequently restrict access to East Turkestan. An AP journalist was stopped at a police checkpoint and detained for a half hour until county officials arrived.
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China is not your backyard.You should ask the landlord when you want to get into his property,should you? I know you do not have this etiquette and courtesy,Euro Anonymous.

When shown Yingmaili's Ramadan restrictions, Ablmit Ahmet, a senior official responsible for religious issues, quietly scanned the document for a minute.
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Ahmet should be more careful.


A junior official said, "Things really aren't this restrictive. Some local governments are just being a bit overzealous," and Ahmet nodded his head and handed back the list to the reporter.
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Local officials are directly responsible for troubles.

Ahmet referred the issue to a Muslim cleric, or imam.

With officials at his side, Amudula Rehemutula stood amid a patchwork of ornate rugs in the high-ceilinged Ake Mosque, the county's biggest. The young imam said he agreed with the government that children should not be allowed to worship in the mosque until they are 18 — old enough to decide whether they believe in religion. He added that teachers and students should not fast during Ramadan because they need to be energetic in the classroom.
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A magnificent Mosque are around.Strange,isn't it? For a diabolic government,this Mosque should be leveled out,right? Should we get an example form U.S on people's growing up to make their own religion decision?

"I am extremely pleased with the religious policy of the (Communist) Party and the government," Rehemutula said in a monotone voice and unfocused gaze, before ending the five-minute meeting to go to pray. During the brief interview, he glanced at his wristwatch several times.
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Do this people's words piss you off? So,give him a bad word-monotone voice and unfocused gaze.

Imams must study at state-sanctioned schools and answer to government officials, who have sacked those deemed unreliable or too outspoken.
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In Saudi,Imams are promoting Bin Laden's hatred belief of attacking an evil America.Take a look at the new movie "Where in the World is Osama Bin Laden Movie ".

"The imams get paid by the government and they help inform on us. We don't trust them," said Mamat, a recent college graduate looking for work in the ancient Silk Road city of Kashgar in western East Turkestan. Like others quoted in this story, Mamat asked that his full name not be printed for fear of being detained for speaking to a journalist.
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You just cannot please everybody.But that is still an opinion.But can it represent all?

Fear pervades East Turkestan. Two Uighur college students on a sidewalk in Kashgar worried their images were captured by surveillance cameras. A taxi driver in Kuqa was concerned that a black car behind him was recording his conversations with eavesdropping equipment. Even some foreign scholars worried China might blacklist them if they made remarks deemed too critical of the government.
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Some,some,some,some....statistical folly.The most cheap way of breathing rumors.

Mutual contempt is common between Uighurs and the Han Chinese majority.
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You stupidity.Do we? For what? I like to marry a beautiful Uighur girl.Han like the music and dance of Uighurs so much,you low class taleteller.

"This is a beautiful ancient Silk Road city surrounded by mountains and deserts," said Li, a Han Chinese taxi driver. "The only problem is that there are too many Uighurs." The driver claimed Uighurs are uneducated and rude.
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What other words are cropped from this driver's words? Tell us,taleteller?

Many Uighurs, in turn, are ignorant of Han Chinese holidays and speak only their language instead of Mandarin, PRC's official language.
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PRC never force Uighurs to speak Mandarin and China encourage ethinic groups to maintain and develop their own culture.Need further explanation? Look at how France forces Corsican to learn French,dear EURO Anonymous.

One Uighur businessman named Mattursun praying at a mosque in Yarkent said he despised the Han Chinese. "They no longer really believe in Marxism or communism," the man said. "All they believe in is money. Money is their god."
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Should you feel for Marxism? "They" means some people he knows,understand?


The government insists most Uighurs are happy because, like the rest of the country, East Turkestan is becoming more prosperous. In recent years, highways, airports and rail lines, schools, hospitals and even mosques have been built. The government has high hopes for deposits of oil, natural gas and minerals. Slogans on billboards and walls across East Turkestan tell people that social harmony and unity equal prosperity.
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If we treat XinJiang as alien,why should we together build a promising land with material prosperity? They government are right in what they said,so no need too shy to speak out.

But many Uighurs aren't biting. They think the region is being colonized by Han Chinese, who have flooded into the territory in recent years.
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Chinese go wherever they want in China,need a visa from EU? You have problem? Uighurs are living in many other parts of China,do they need you come to issue them Visa,dear?

"Sure, they're building roads and bridges. But that's just so that more Han Chinese will move to East Turkestan and take the place away from us," said Haji, a 34-year-old Uighur businessman in Kashgar.
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This is an era of free market,dear.You need to learn Econ 101.Or I demand you too much.

Haji has a college degree and a successful enterprise that benefits from improved infrastructure and security, but he is fed up with the government's religious policy. In school he was allowed to observe Ramadan, but now his children cannot.
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His children will choose after they are mature enough to embrace this religion. He just show his displeasure but not hatred you are propoganding,dear.

Haji said he doubted China would ever give East Turkestan independence, but hoped Beijing would eventually heed the words of the late leader Mao Zedong.
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We are an independent China.We are already enjoying our independence.

"Mao said that if there is more pressure, there are more problems," Haji said. "I believe someday the government will realize this and leave."
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There is terrorism,there is Jihad.Allah is crying for exterminating those Islam Impostors.Yeah,Chinese government will leave people freedom eventually and Chinese,regardless Hans or Uighurs, are happily living in XinJiang forever.

Anonymous:

All that was left on the chin of the Muslim man praying at the huge brownstone mosque was a small patch of stubble. He said officials had forced young men in China's far western Xinjiang region to cut off their beards at the start of the holy month of Ramadan.

"If I didn't shave, they would do this to me," said the man, who put his wrists together as if handcuffed, his eyes bulging with anger. "If I say more, I could be arrested."

He gave only part of his name, Arem, and stomped away.

For Muslims, Ramadan is a time of fasting and prayer. But for Muslim ethnic Uighurs, the holy month is also full of fear and seething resentment about increasingly tight restrictions on how they practice their moderate form of Islam, influenced by the Sunni and Sufi sects.

Managing the restive Turkic people is developing into one of China's biggest challenges. Like the Tibetans, the Uighurs have been unwilling to buy into the government's plan: greater economic prosperity instead of greater religious freedom or autonomy.

This year has been especially jittery in East Turkestan, a sprawling territory three times the size of France that is home to 9 million Uighurs (pronounced WEE-GURS). Despite ramped-up security in the region before the Beijing Olympics, a string of bombings and deadly attacks — the worst wave of violence in a decade — deeply embarrassed China under the global spotlight.

China blamed terrorists, but has yet to release evidence that links terror groups to attacks that killed 33 people in Kuqa and Kashgar in western East Turkestan.

With the Olympics over and the world's focus elsewhere, it seems to be payback time for East Turkestan. Overseas Uighur rights groups have accused the government of mass arrests, which police deny. Uighurs interviewed by The Associated Press in Kuqa and Kashgar complained of sweeping detentions but would not say more. In Kuqa, security officials followed an AP journalist for most of his visit.

The most obvious signs of tension are the tight restrictions on Ramadan, which ends this week.

Several local governments have posted lists of warnings on their Web sites, including a detailed one by the township of Yingmaili in Xayar county, near Kuqa. Government employees, teachers and students can't fast during Ramadan. Mosques can't host out-of-town visitors or play video and sound recordings. Proselytizing in public is prohibited. Surveillance of mosques must be increased. Restaurants must stay open during the daylight fasting period.

"All effective means must be used to make sure that men shave their beards and that women remove veils that cover their faces," adds the notice.

A slogan painted on a wall in the area warns Muslims it is illegal to make the annual pilgrimage to Mecca except with a government-sanctioned tour group.

Such restrictions have long been on the books but were selectively enforced, said Dru Gladney, an expert on Uighurs at the Pacific Basin Institute at Pomona College in California.

"The government has really been enforcing these restrictions in East Turkestan more than in the past," Gladney said. "In other Muslim areas in China, you certainly don't see these similar kinds of restrictions."

In many ways, East Turkestan is China's Siberia. This harsh land of snowcapped mountains and scorching deserts is broken up by oil fields and oasis cities surrounded by lush fields of cotton, melons and grapes. The territory has been China's nuclear test ground and home to an extensive "laogai," a gulag-like prison system.

East Turkestan also shares borders with Russia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and other Central Asian nations — a volatile neighborhood that makes Beijing nervous.

In a recent 14-page speech, regional Communist Party leader Nuer Baikeli accused "hostile Western forces" of trying to foment Uighur discontent, politicize religion and split East Turkestan from the motherland. He also warned that crazed Islamic extremists in neighboring countries were training Uighurs to carry out terrorist attacks in China.

Military and security forces frequently restrict access to East Turkestan. An AP journalist was stopped at a police checkpoint and detained for a half hour until county officials arrived.

When shown Yingmaili's Ramadan restrictions, Ablmit Ahmet, a senior official responsible for religious issues, quietly scanned the document for a minute.

A junior official said, "Things really aren't this restrictive. Some local governments are just being a bit overzealous," and Ahmet nodded his head and handed back the list to the reporter.

Ahmet referred the issue to a Muslim cleric, or imam.

With officials at his side, Amudula Rehemutula stood amid a patchwork of ornate rugs in the high-ceilinged Ake Mosque, the county's biggest. The young imam said he agreed with the government that children should not be allowed to worship in the mosque until they are 18 — old enough to decide whether they believe in religion. He added that teachers and students should not fast during Ramadan because they need to be energetic in the classroom.

"I am extremely pleased with the religious policy of the (Communist) Party and the government," Rehemutula said in a monotone voice and unfocused gaze, before ending the five-minute meeting to go to pray. During the brief interview, he glanced at his wristwatch several times.

Imams must study at state-sanctioned schools and answer to government officials, who have sacked those deemed unreliable or too outspoken.

"The imams get paid by the government and they help inform on us. We don't trust them," said Mamat, a recent college graduate looking for work in the ancient Silk Road city of Kashgar in western East Turkestan. Like others quoted in this story, Mamat asked that his full name not be printed for fear of being detained for speaking to a journalist.

Fear pervades East Turkestan. Two Uighur college students on a sidewalk in Kashgar worried their images were captured by surveillance cameras. A taxi driver in Kuqa was concerned that a black car behind him was recording his conversations with eavesdropping equipment. Even some foreign scholars worried China might blacklist them if they made remarks deemed too critical of the government.

Mutual contempt is common between Uighurs and the Han Chinese majority.

"This is a beautiful ancient Silk Road city surrounded by mountains and deserts," said Li, a Han Chinese taxi driver. "The only problem is that there are too many Uighurs." The driver claimed Uighurs are uneducated and rude.

Many Uighurs, in turn, are ignorant of Han Chinese holidays and speak only their language instead of Mandarin, PRC's official language.

One Uighur businessman named Mattursun praying at a mosque in Yarkent said he despised the Han Chinese. "They no longer really believe in Marxism or communism," the man said. "All they believe in is money. Money is their god."

The government insists most Uighurs are happy because, like the rest of the country, East Turkestan is becoming more prosperous. In recent years, highways, airports and rail lines, schools, hospitals and even mosques have been built. The government has high hopes for deposits of oil, natural gas and minerals. Slogans on billboards and walls across East Turkestan tell people that social harmony and unity equal prosperity.

But many Uighurs aren't biting. They think the region is being colonized by Han Chinese, who have flooded into the territory in recent years.

"Sure, they're building roads and bridges. But that's just so that more Han Chinese will move to East Turkestan and take the place away from us," said Haji, a 34-year-old Uighur businessman in Kashgar.

Haji has a college degree and a successful enterprise that benefits from improved infrastructure and security, but he is fed up with the government's religious policy. In school he was allowed to observe Ramadan, but now his children cannot.

Haji said he doubted China would ever give East Turkestan independence, but hoped Beijing would eventually heed the words of the late leader Mao Zedong.

"Mao said that if there is more pressure, there are more problems," Haji said. "I believe someday the government will realize this and leave."

Anonymous:

A local Chinese official confirmed Monday that hundreds of disgruntled small-scale investors blocked roads, delayed trains and threw stones in a southern part of the country last week to protest against a property company they say cheated them.

Such demonstrations have become increasingly common in China, particularly among the rural poor. Most protesters are villagers and farmers struggling to protect their rights amid a roaring, fast-changing economy.

In the latest incident, armed police clashed with protesters in Jishou city in Hunan province last Wednesday and Thursday, the head of the propaganda office of the Xiangxi public security bureau said in a phone interview.

The man, who would give only his surname Liao as is common among Chinese officials, said the protesters blocked the city's main roads as well as the train station, causing travel delays. Jishou is in Hunan province's Xiangxi autonomous prefecture.

"The rioters threw stones down from an overpass and hit some of the police officers," Liao said. "No rioters were injured. Three or four aggressive ones were detained."

The protesters were people who had invested in the Fuda Property Development Co., which is based in Jishou, Liao said.

A man who answered the phone at Fuda's office said he was too busy to take questions and referred queries to government propaganda departments.

It was not immediately clear what sparked the protests. According to a Chinese news report posted on the Web site of the Xiangxi government, the protesters were seeking government help after Fuda allegedly failed to come through on promises of high-interest returns to its investors.

A report Sunday by the People's Daily said the riots started after the company sold a piece of land worth tens of millions of yuan (millions of dollars).

Lols:

Let's check this wild crazy rabies from a Euro Anonymous,which is going to die because according to history,East Turkestan was actually not in XinJiang but in Turkey. East Turkestan Terrorists are recruited by Taliban,blowing people apart in Pakistan. What do you expect this Anonymous East Turkestan Terrorists can understandably reason here?? Nothing but spam and super venom.

It looks like that "Dr.Pomfret's China" should be renamed as "East Turkestan Jihad's paradise!"

Anonymous:

Early in the morning, my husband set out to do some repairs around our new home after playing basketball. At noon, he called to tell me that he had eaten lunch at Macdonald's. I played a joke on him, "Macdonald's didn't donate to earthquake-hit areas, why did you go there for lunch?"

It was only a joke. But what I said expressed the thoughts of many people. These days a great number of Chinese are ranking businesses at home and abroad based on their donations to quake-hit areas. These indicate that money has become a decisive factor in judging an enterprise. Companies and celebrities who do not donate or who give less than expected have become Internet targets.

A message about Yao Ming, the most successful Chinese player by far in the NBA, has aroused a heated discussion online. It is said that Yao Ming, who donated 1 million dollars to the USA after Hurricane Katrina struck in 2005, only donated 500,000 yuan to the quake-hit areas in Sichuan. Yao's name has been badly tarnished by this rumor. The same thing happened to Andy Lau, a popular star who is said to have donated 100,000 yuan, an amount not worth mentioning compared to his net worth.

What's the truth?

I checked online for detailed information and found that SAM SUNG donated 30 million yuan, Panasonic donated 10 million yuan and LG donated 10 million yuan. Yet, despite these generous donations, Internet messages urging Chinese people to boycott their products are still spreading online.

Moreover, according to an exclusive interview with Yao Ming by the Chengdu Business Newspaper, Yao donated altogether about 2 million yuan privately. He contributed some 500,000 yuan in conjunction with Yao's Team as well as another 214,000 dollars to the Red Cross, again as a private donor.

Andy Lau, who has made charitable donations of approximately 100 million yuan since 1991, is also an enthusiastic supporter of charities.

How do such distorted rumors spread? Why do many people make judgments based on distorted facts? So-called nationalist sentiment has blinded some eyes.

After such a terrible disaster, we must first do some self-reflection rather than engage in criticism. We should examine our own deeds to see if we can do better and do more.

Censure does nothing to solve problems and donating money is not the only way to help. If everyone in Chinese society cares about the people affected by this disaster then they will do whatever they can to help alleviate the misery it has engendered.

Truly, from a positive perspective this catastrophe has brought out the very best in our people.

Anonymous:

Anyone who has visited Western China in the past few years knows how foolish you are. A public forum like this is for sharing ideas, not meant for personal attacks.---

so why have you started to atack me personaly, you piece of the mendaciousness?

---I really feel sorry for someone who is so bigoted and lives on lies, talking about something he know nothing about.----

until now i got you by telling lies and chinese Bulls-hit propaganda here. i think you deserve the punishment. if you were in USA i have send you to the court for such lies.. aside that i do not feel sorry for you. you are truly a piece of sh-it who cant talk neither with people or knows about China.

---Again, I challange anyone to visit and see what it is really like.--

what a sentence for someone who pretends to be the English teacher.. just kill yourself, loser.


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All across China, in every city and almost every neighborhood, collection centers are gathering clothes and money for victims of the earthquake that hit Sichuan province on May 12. The disaster has prompted an unprecedented amount of giving from individuals and companies, especially as the media has provided extensive coverage of the devastation and the relief work.
In the midst of this outpouring of human kindness, there is another message circulating among the nation’s mobile phones. It is a text-message call to boycott foreign companies that are seen as merciless and stingy for not donating to the earthquake victims, while they have been making big fortunes from the Chinese people in recent years. “If you’re a righteous Chinese, support domestic goods and boycott these foreign products,” one message says.

At least 10 international enterprises have been named for supposedly exploiting the Chinese people and failing to donate to earthquake victims. These include Nokia, Coca-Cola, KFC, McDonald's, Samsung, LV, Toyota, Daikin Industries, P & G and Sony.

There are no facts to support the accusations against the listed companies, however. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and most of the companies on the boycott list have assured the people that they in fact had already donated money, food or rescue equipment. But as soon as this list was transmitted via cell phones and the Internet, it became a hot topic of conversation throughout the “connected” communities in China.

The original source of this list remains unknown. Some journalists who tried to trace it concluded that it was a product of the various “ranking lists” of companies who gave donations to support earthquake relief. These have been put together by many Chinese media, Web sites and organizations, divided into such categories as stars and celebrities, the real estate industry, and foreign enterprises. Those who did not make their donations through the channels providing the rankings would be omitted from the lists, leading to misunderstanding by the public.

The call to boycott has led to scattered protests. For example, a group of “patriots” showed up to protest against McDonald's in Nanchong city in Sichuan province on May 20. Signs saying, “Get out of China!” were posted outside the restaurant, along with the list of “stingy” foreign companies. The protest drew a crowd, most of whom were there just to watch the excitement until the police arrived and stopped the illegal protest.

Two hours after that incident, the restaurant's staff began to distribute flyers explaining that McDonald's had donated 1.5 million yuan (US$220,000) and provided free food at blood donation centers. The second day after the protest, McDonald's announced it was giving an additional 10 million yuan (US$1.5 million) to rebuild schools in the disaster area.

China’s Ministry of Commerce did not clarify until May 22 that the list of stingy international companies did not accord with the truth. The commerce minister stated that most of the companies on the list had offered over 10 million yuan (US$1.5 million) in donations, while a few had given at least several million yuan. Besides, he said, donations should be voluntary. He criticized protests against those who did not donate as irrational.

But the online accusations did not subside. Instead, they spread to include domestic enterprises seen as not donating enough for earthquake victims.

The owner of Vanke Company, a Chinese real estate giant with net profits of over 48 billion yuan (US$700 million) in 2007, aroused indignation with the remarks he made after donating 2 million yuan (US$290,000) on May 12, the date the earthquake occurred. The owner, Wang Shi, said on May 15 that giving donations in time of disasters was a common practice for companies, but it should not become a huge burden for them, to enable them to sustain this practice.

Netizens and bloggers overwhelmingly condemned this justification of Wang’s humble donation. “He strode to the heights of the world but not to the grave mounds at Wenchuan (the most damaged zone),” one netizen wrote. As a result, Vanke’s stock price dropped dramatically by 12 percent from May 15 to May 20.

On the evening of May 20, Vanke finally announced it would give another 100 million yuan (US$15 million) to rebuild houses in the earthquake zone, and that its professional team would help plan the reconstruction effort. Wang stirred the people’s anger because he represented, to many, the new class of the heartless rich, with no sense of social responsibility.

Fortunately, not all Chinese failed to see through this argument. Some online commentators bravely took the opposite view.

Some argued that donations should be freely given, not compulsory. Others berated online critics for being hotheaded and irrational. “The angry youth are really enthusiastic but foolish,” wrote one blogger. “They call for mass protests, but after the atmosphere calms down, they forget what has happened and go eat at McDonald's again!”

Why have Chinese netizens and bloggers been so eager to pass on information like this? Do they do it just for clicks? In fact, it is said that more than 30.8 billion yuan (US$ 4.4 billion) has been raised from foreign and domestic donors for the earthquake victims in Sichuan. The next issue that should raise concerns is how the Chinese authorities will handle such a huge outpouring of generosity.

Anonymous:

Anonomous,
Your spelling, grammer and use of the language speaks for itself
Anyone who has visited Western China in the past few years knows how foolish you are. A public forum like this is for sharing ideas, not meant for personal attacks.
I really feel sorry for someone who is so bigoted and lives on lies, talking about something he know nothing about.
Again, I challange anyone to visit and see what it is really like.

By the way, Has anyone out there who has been to China ever seen these communists mobs beating people?

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dear stupid idiot. people like you should be showed in the Zoo as the best exsample of stupid and uneducated idiot on this world.
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What do you reckon is the tactic used recently in China to squeeze donations out of foreign companies? Humiliation... yes, you are right, thats what the local media in China is doing to pressure the foreign companies to increase their donations.

By Tuesday this week, foreign companies had donated 1.2 billion yuan ($175 million) in cash, plus supplies worth 108 million yuan ($15.5 million), according to the government.

Despite that, nationalistic Chinese Web surfers who react angrily to any perceived slight to their country have accused foreign companies of failing to provide enough help.

A posting on popular search engine Baidu.com's blog service listed corporate donations and said they were smaller than those after the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami. Comments on online bulletin boards criticized McDonald's Corp., Yum Brands Inc.'s KFC restaurants, Toyota Motor Corp., Nokia, South Korea's Samsung Electronics Corp. and French retailer Carrefour SA.

In fact Sina has created a page on their site providing latest updates on how much had been donated and even ranked them with the company's logos. This is really pathetic and making a mockery out of the whole idea of donation. I m sure many of you would agree that making donation isnt like a competition but whats happening in China is everybody is now competing as to who can donate more. And when your donations arent substantial enough, you will be made a subject of humiliation.

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The American government donated $500,000 to the China Red Cross. Seems like “the helping hand of a friend”, as the US Embassy’s Beijing website called it. But the Chinese bloggers view it differently. Let’s review the comments (in translation) on one blog responding to America’s ‘pultry’ donation. As you read the comments, keep in mind that the $500,000 donation was from the US government and does not represent American corporate or individual donations. I’m not translating all comments as some were deleted, were redundant, or were just posts of “ditto” to earlier comments.

#2 (Guangdong Province) - America is trash. F*ck all American women.
#3 - They’re helping us Chinese? Americans are real crooks. Everyone let’s take action, put forth your effort to help the injured people in the Sichuan earthquake!
#7 - Everyone unite! Whether America donates or not is their business, but we must help.
#9 - America, f*ck your ancestors, a people born as dogs and raised as wolves, a dogsh!t people.
#10 - commenter posted news that McDonald’s is donating 1,000,000 RMB, and that the Ronald McDonald House Fund of China was additionally donating 500,000 RMB. The poster then divided this figure by the 500 McDonald’s chains in China to say that each puts ups RMB 3,0oo.

SH Tig comments - Given how bad the comments are going so far, I’ll hope he wasn’t trying to say that RMB 3,000 per store was not much. But that was his gist. I won’t mention that there are actually many more McDonald’s in China, nearly a thousand, meaning each store is represented by only RMB 1,500. Still not seeing why McDonald’s would be a bad guy with this. They will sell you an apple pie and bottomless coffee for RMB 9 in Shanghai. Seems like they’ve been helping China out all along. Anyway, back to the comments:

#12 - Americans are not good things. They only talk about human rights, not human life.
#14 - It’s an embarrassment that this rich, powerful country only donated $50,000. China always donates millions to them. Next time China will donate RMB 500,000, no more!
#15 - Americans are not good things, only donating $500,000. Damn them to hell.
#16 and 17 (same poster) - Generosity comes from each person’s heart. The essence of a one million dollar donation and a one dollar donation is the same, you can’t require people to donate a certain amount, donating shows the goodness of people, it’s not right to curse them…..everyone feels that America has a lot of money but only donated $500,000, and that to a rich superpower this is a small amount. But no matter what the amount you can’t curse it, afterall maybe that donation was in the first batch, how will all these people cursing explain it if later on more money is given?
#18 - America’s $500,000 clearly demonstrates that America looks down on China. It’s to attack and humiliate China.
#19 - After Myanmar asked for aid, the United Nations and governments of several countries issued an appeal for help…America offered $250,000 to help but was rejected by Myanmar’s government. 
#21 - America is the most generous country, but only gave $500,000 to the Sichuan earthquake area, much much less than Hong Kong / Macau / Taiwan / Russia / Japan / Korea, Saudi Arabia.

SHTig comments: Saudi gave US$60 million. That is by comparison a huge amount. Would like to know what’s up there…
#22 - Americans are little people
#24 - American really is damned to no end, like a child just finishing drinking milk
#25 - Don’t beg for the world’s support, rely on ourselves!
#26 - All of America’s money is used for fighting
#35 - America is so disgusting, the American enterprises in China are especially stingy…KFC, Coca-Cola, Microsoft are all iron roosters (stingy).
#36 - Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is donating $25,000,000, what do you have to say to that?

SHTig comments: subsequent posts had no response to #36’s point. In fact, they continued on in the same vein more or less as #1-35, sadly…

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People in Nanchong (南充), in Sichuan China, gathered outside a local McDonald outlet. McDonald was accused of not making donations to Sichuan earthquake victims. They called the international fastfood chain “stingy”. Local police and undercovers were called and quick to response to dismiss the public.

http://i35.tinypic.com/jicknt.jpg

dblj:

Anonomous,
Your spelling, grammer and use of the language speaks for itself
Anyone who has visited Western China in the past few years knows how foolish you are. A public forum like this is for sharing ideas, not meant for personal attacks.
I really feel sorry for someone who is so bigoted and lives on lies, talking about something he know nothing about.
Again, I challange anyone to visit and see what it is really like.

By the way, Has anyone out there who has been to China ever seen these communists mobs beating people?

Anonymous:

--dblJ in W China:
I am back in China, currently in shenzhen spending time with my wife who is a University teacher here.It was great to witness my son's marriage in Portland.---

whatever..

--Wow!! I really didn't think my comments, mainly about trying to put forth what I see here, would raise such a commotion and bring out such haters!
I just wanted to put forth what I see, only from observations because I can read no hanzi and speak only limited hanyu.---

whatever..

--All that I state comes from speaking to other teachers, my students and what I see.--

yeahh.. sure thats why am not beliving you.. ecause i see completly different here.

--Sure, there are problems here, many that I see and many that I don't see, but also I see many things that are such a refreshing change from my 30+ years in a high stress sales position in corporate America.--

apologist monkey apears!


--I can only read what is said in the western press(online) and China daily and try to draw conclusions by finding a happy medium between them.--

see the link of Chinadaly down here..

--I know for a fact, first hand eye-witness knowledge, that what is reported in the west and what is written in China Daily both are skewed and equally not showing the true picture, but some of the things said here are just so far from the truth.--

1: there are many truths.
2: Chinadaily is a part of worldwide bigest propaganda machine.
3: apologist onkey apears again..

--Some argue that chinese make 17 cents a day, a little over 2 yuan, then counter my argument(based on what the teachers I work with tell me) by quoting China Daily(which the haters say nothing can be believed) that teachers in a very poor area make between 400 and 1200Y, which at worst is 130 yuan a day.--

1: ordinary Chinese make still 2 yuan a day. see all those "questworkers" wage. most chinese farmers have even not that.
2: For you idiot again;

Xiao Chu works as a substitute teacher in the city of Zhaoqing(SOUTH CHINA; RICH PROVINCE HIGH WAGES), where the minimum monthly salary is supposed to be 580 yuan ($85).

"But I earn only 400 yuan a month," Xiao told...

..."But substitutes get only 300 to 400 yuan," he said.

"In the poorest(POOREST OF THE RICH PROVINCE, YOU IDIOT) areas, they get as little as 200 yuan."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhaoqing


---They say that Qinghai is not part of China but the last time I checked we are spending and earning chinese money.---

Qinghai is still part of Tibet and not of China you stupid.

--That is reality, if wishing something made it true, then everything south of the mason/dixon line would be the confederate states.---

i dont know what are you trying to say but we do not say that callifornia is a part of Iowa just because they both have a same central goverment.
God, you stupid! Go to the shool and get some education!

--If a powerful group taking over a weaker group is not valid, then everything west of the Mississippi would still be indian nations. Right or wrong, this is reality.---

blablabla.. aside that USA have still indian nations and some of them do live in the West of Mississipi, you stupid!

---Why are there 700 year old Tibetan Tsupas(pagodas) in Beijing and why are there monuments to the marriage of Tibetan Kings and Chinese princesses in Qinghai?---

Hey, i saw some chinese temple lions in Washington.. wana to try to get Washington into chinese claims too, you stupid?

--Either the past is the valid state or it is not valid, If it is then Tibet is autonomous--

Tibet is splited into different Administrative areas. Qinghai wich is the central Tibet is not autonomous, you stupid.

--and Taiwan is not, or if it is not valid, then taiwan(with thousands of year of history as part of China)is autonomous and tibet is not. It can't be both.---

1: Taiwan is independent.
2: Taiwan was never a Part of China you idiot. It was only a part of Manchurian Empire you stupid.
2: A country or administrative Area can be both autonomous and independent you stupid.

---To be called a shill for the Chinese government, or any government couldn't be farther from the truth about me.---

goshh.. what a crap..

--Though I do love my adopted home and its people, i also love my native home and it definitely hurts me to see us act like such idiots and poor sports.--

WHATEVER!!

---Look at the violence in our own cities and the violence we perpetrate thousands of miles from our home.---

WHATEVER!! WE HERE NOT TO TALK ABOU US-CITIES.

--In closing, and I do mean closing as this will be my last post, I would like to relate what I witnessed after the quake in Sichuan.---

WHATEVER!!

--Within 24 hours, There were donation boxers set up in the supermarkets and on streetcorners and they were being stuffed with 100yuan notes by people who make little over a thousand a month. --

YEAHH SURE AND WHE THEY NOT DONATE THEY WILL BE BEATEN AND HUNTED BY COMMUNIST MOB AND DENOUNCED IN INTERNET..

---The other thing was a bloodmobile with a line that was several blocks long, people waiting hours to give blood. None of this was mandatory and this is not the actions of people who are starving. In my travels to south america and europe and parts of Africa, I have never felt more welcomed.---

APOLOGIST MONKEY APEARS AGAIN...

---China's prime minister and president both were on the ground soon after the quake, directing operations for many days, while aftershocks as strong as 6.5 were occuring. Contrast that to Bush after Katrina, who flew over New Orleans in a Helicopter 3 days later on his way to a Bar b que at his ranch.---

APOLOGIST MONKEY APEARS..

---I know this is all wasted energy because the haters are going to say what false facts they want to say, all I can say is to come and visit and see for yourself---

I KNOW YOU JUST ANOTHER IDIOT FROM CHINESE PROPAGANDA TEAM SO YOU SHOULD WASTE YOU ENERGY SOME WHERE ELSE: JUS SOMEWHERE ELSE1 GO AWAY STUPID IDOT..

dblJ in W China:

I am back in China, currently in shenzhen spending time with my wife who is a University teacher here.It was great to witness my son's marriage in Portland.
Wow!! I really didn't think my comments, mainly about trying to put forth what I see here, would raise such a commotion and bring out such haters!
I just wanted to put forth what I see, only from observations because I can read no hanzi and speak only limited hanyu.
All that I state comes from speaking to other teachers, my students and what I see.
Sure, there are problems here, many that I see and many that I don't see, but also I see many things that are such a refreshing change from my 30+ years in a high stress sales position in corporate America. I can only read what is said in the western press(online) and China daily and try to draw conclusions by finding a happy medium between them. I know for a fact, first hand eye-witness knowledge, that what is reported in the west and what is written in China Daily both are skewed and equally not showing the true picture, but some of the things said here are just so far from the truth.
Some argue that chinese make 17 cents a day, a little over 2 yuan, then counter my argument(based on what the teachers I work with tell me) by quoting China Daily(which the haters say nothing can be believed) that teachers in a very poor area make between 400 and 1200Y, which at worst is 130 yuan a day. They say that Qinghai is not part of China but the last time I checked we are spending and earning chinese money. That is reality, if wishing something made it true, then everything south of the mason/dixon line would be the confederate states. If a powerful group taking over a weaker group is not valid, then everything west of the Mississippi would still be indian nations. Right or wrong, this is reality. Why are there 700 year old Tibetan Tsupas(pagodas) in Beijing and why are there monuments to the marriage of Tibetan Kings and Chinese princesses in Qinghai?
Either the past is the valid state or it is not valid, If it is then Tibet is autonomous and Taiwan is not, or if it is not valid, then taiwan(with thousands of year of history as part of China)is autonomous and tibet is not. It can't be both.
To be called a shill for the Chinese government, or any government couldn't be farther from the truth about me. Though I do love my adopted home and its people, i also love my native home and it definitely hurts me to see us act like such idiots and poor sports. Look at the violence in our own cities and the violence we perpetrate thousands of miles from our home.
In closing, and I do mean closing as this will be my last post, I would like to relate what I witnessed after the quake in Sichuan. Within 24 hours, There were donation boxers set up in the supermarkets and on streetcorners and they were being stuffed with 100yuan notes by people who make little over a thousand a month. The other thing was a bloodmobile with a line that was several blocks long, people waiting hours to give blood. None of this was mandatory and this is not the actions of people who are starving. In my travels to south america and europe and parts of Africa, I have never felt more welcomed.
China's prime minister and president both were on the ground soon after the quake, directing operations for many days, while aftershocks as strong as 6.5 were occuring. Contrast that to Bush after Katrina, who flew over New Orleans in a Helicopter 3 days later on his way to a Bar b que at his ranch.
I know this is all wasted energy because the haters are going to say what false facts they want to say, all I can say is to come and visit and see for yourself

Anonymous:

Babe,I agree with your claim and your illusion.Tibet and E.T.E is already in your pocket,you win,we rest.

Btw,I hope I am so native like "DBLJ in W China" is in terms of English proficiency.

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SHUT-UP AND MIND YOUR OWN RACIST IMPERIALIST BUSINESS!!!

LoLs:

Anonymous:

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To those rooster-

Tibet,XinJiang are part of China.Get this straight-there are neither Tibet nor East Turkestan Empire in U.N. They have been one part of China for thousands years.
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Whahahahahaha.. what are you smoking again?

---If you do not like this fact.You can eat yourself alive and I bet nobody stop you.Terrorism is the last thing you can prevail over there.Period.------

hey "DBLJ in W China", "LOL", "Chen" and whatever you stupid brain is going to find new names. you are still a loser who knows nothing about China and PRC.

Aside that Tibet is atill not a part of China so is the East Turkestan.
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Babe,I agree with your claim and your illusion.Tibet and E.T.E is already in your pocket,you win,we rest.

Btw,I hope I am so native like "DBLJ in W China" is in terms of English proficiency.

Anonymous:

:
To those rooster-

Tibet,XinJiang are part of China.Get this straight-there are neither Tibet nor East Turkestan Empire in U.N. They have been one part of China for thousands years.
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Whahahahahaha.. what are you smoking again?

---If you do not like this fact.You can eat yourself alive and I bet nobody stop you.Terrorism is the last thing you can prevail over there.Period.------

hey "DBLJ in W China", "LOL", "Chen" and whatever you stupid brain is going to find new names. you are still a loser who knows nothing about China and PRC.

Aside that Tibet is atill not a part of China so is the East Turkestan.

Lol:

To those rooster-

Tibet,XinJiang are part of China.Get this straight-there are neither Tibet nor East Turkestan Empire in U.N. They have been one part of China for thousands years.

If you do not like this fact.You can eat yourself alive and I bet nobody stop you.Terrorism is the last thing you can prevail over there.Period.

Lol:

To ``DBLJ in W China``:

See here critics' niecety to you.Those people are eye-crossed mind-readers.They knwo you are the agent,they speculate your earning big money from Chinese commie government.You know why?

Because they are trolls and playing scam by changing their name from "realist","Anonymous," to "blabjibalanjiba" and so on and on.They have only this trick and then nothing. They come up with ridiculous figures and rumors to pretend they know China inside out.

In fact,they got pension from slandering China so they just cannot give anyone a break.So,give mercy to them,may God bless them rest peacefully.

Anyway,it is not the first time to take bombardment of those slanderer type,which turns out a "tsunami" in the tea cup . China does not fall for decades under the slanderers' shoddy drama.

Thanks for Dr.Pomfret and others' good yet tough comments on China,which are highly valuable. For China-haters and also trolls,enjoy your crowing and sword-rattling as a crappy side-show.

To ``DBLJ in W China``-now you know how ugly and filthy those in the slanderers' inside.

Douglas:

China has a long history of adulterating food products. Please read the following link regarding the common usage of
DEG (di-ethyl glycol) to replace sugar. I believe this is even more serious than melamine.
In 1990, over 300 children in Bangladesh died from tainted acetaminophen (tylenol like) syrup.
Consider all the possibilities of replacing sugar with this very lethal chemical. How can we possibly regulate this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethylene_glycol

Taiwanese in EU:

It's interesting to see someone like ``DBLJ in W China`` writing such nosense here,DBLJ should be one of Gindon金盾 workers for China government, DBLJ couldn´t be a Enlgish teacher, his real job is post his stupid English comments worldwide so he could get money from China government.

DBLJ, do you have pension after you retire? and,do you guys also post these in Germany or French?

Before I thought Giindon workers did this kind of dirty things to Taiwan´s websites only, i have to say i am really suprised to see Gindon worders here,it's really funny....

One thing is very important,DBLJ,Shame on you -Tibet isn´t part of China, neither Taiwan.

Oooop,I hope DBLJ and his family didn't drink much Melamine milk, good luck DBLJ!

Anonymous:

---Wrong wrong and wrong again! Qinghai IS part of China, a province like Hubei, Hunan and all the west, not an antonanous zone, like Tibet and 5 other regions.---


FOR idiots like you :

Tibet is not China.
Qinghai is a central and north-east Tibet.
Central China are Hubei, Hunan and Henan.

--Though at one time it was called Amdo, which is one of the two major cultures and languages of Tibet, it is as much a part of China is as california is a part of America.--

It was not called Amdo it is called Amdo.

Mongolian and Tibetan languges are indeed major languges of Qinghai.

---Comparisons of yuan to dollar and looking at China daily were merely ways of showing the uninformed how ridiculous saying people make 17 cents a day is.---

gosh.. what a crap..

--Chinese teachers now make over 2000 yuan a month(the just got a raise).--

again you idiot;

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Xiao Chu works as a substitute teacher in the city of Zhaoqing, where the minimum monthly salary is supposed to be 580 yuan ($85).

"But I earn only 400 yuan a month," Xiao told China Daily Thursday.

"Are we just cheap labor?"

Substitute teachers do the same job as authorized teachers, but are paid only a third of the wages, she said.

Song Hai, vice-governor of Guangdong, said on Wednesday that the average monthly income for a State-employed teacher in the province is 1,200 yuan.

"But substitutes get only 300 to 400 yuan," he said.

"In the poorest areas, they get as little as 200 yuan."
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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-09/05/content_7000601.htm

--- The economy has changed so much in just the few years I have been there.
You are right that our economys differ. while we are charging every man, woman , and child in America $2333 to bail out bad investors and fat cats, China is subsidising gas prices to keep them resonable and giving housing grants to the CENTRAL provinces, Hunan and hubei. I know this as my wife's mother was just given enough money to buy a small home in Changsha. Friends in Qinghai who run small businss were told that they would pay no taxes this quarter.
You are correct in saying that fast food is more of an extravagance here, but with the worldwide inflation of food costs this also is rapidly changing, you dont buy a coke anywhere for under 3 yuan now. So your time in China I suspect was a while ago.
I do talk to my students regularly, I teach mainly middle school, high school and young adults with good language skills. They will all tell you to a person that their life betters their parents lives ten fold.(maids average 10 yuan an hour now) Many pay their own way to classes and many of my parents are drivers, housecleaners and other lowly jobs. Again, realize that this is in Qinghai, a very poor part of China. Much of our conversations are based around how uninformed and biased the western press is. They laugh at your stupidity, as I am sure they will when they see these posts. They wonder why we bash them so.
About the press being biased, are you telling me that CNN and Fox news don't slant things?? This will be my last post as it is ridiculous to argue with those who are so blinded by bigotry and have obviously not left the US to see what the rest of the world is thinking of our actions.---

whahahahaha.. goshh you do smell like a underage kid who got his information from Chia daily and was never there.. i bet you are just another Chinazi troll who knows nothing about This Land.

rotten-world:

QUESTION TO THE U.S FDA AND U.S LAWMAKERS AND U.S PRODUCTS INSPECTING AND HARMFUL PRODUCTS PREVENTING AUTHORITIES:

HOW CAN THE U.S FDA AND U.S LAWMAKERS BE ABLEE TO DEAL WITH BILLIONS OF PRODUCTS MADE IN CHINA THAT KEEP FLOWING INTO THE USA NATION WHILE THIS NATION HAS NO ANY WAY TO TEST THEM ALL? AND HOW MANY PRODUCTS AND KINDS OF PRODUCTS HAVED BEEN CONTAMINATED WITH ALL SORTS OF INTENTIONALLY AND UNINTENTIONALLY DEALY POISONS AND CARCINOGENIC AGENTS REACHING AMERICAN CONSUMERS AND UNDETECTED AND SILENTLY UNKNOWN UNTIL THIS TIME????

For absolutely sure, that there are no such available capability and resources in the U.S that can be able to detect effectively and prevent relentless massive flows of products of all sorts Made in China into this USA nation! This is due to billions of items or products of all sorts from food-based products to medicines-based products to household consuming products have been spreading all over this nation without obtaining needed proper checking and testing and preventing activities due to no availibility of proper and effective resources and approaches of preventions are existing in the nation!
UNFORTUNATELY AND CRAZILY, THIS NATION HOWEVER STILL FEELS FREELY TO LET THE COUNTLESS INFLUXES OF MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS FLOWING IN RELENTLESSLY YEARS AFTER YEARS AT THE THE TERRIBLE OUT OF CONTROLLED CONDITION! AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE AVOIDABLE, UNACCEPTABLE AND MINDLESS PROBLEM TO LET IT CONTINUES TO EXIST IN THIS NATION!
AND COMMONSENSEWISE, THIS PROPLEM IS ORIGINATED AND CAUSED BY THESE MINDLESS FOLKS! WHILE THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION AS COMSUMERS ARE THE ONLY THE VICTIMS OF THESE KINDS OF CRAZILY NATIONAL DISASTER AND MINDLESS ACTIVITIES! THAT HAVE GOVERNED AND PLANNED BY THE NON-VISIONARY AND MINDLESS FOLKS THAT THEY CAN BE SEEN AS THE FOLKS WHO CAN ONLY SEE NO FARTHER THAN THEIR NOSES!!!

So, how Americans folks who can protect themselves and their own health and their families from unneccessarily being harmed by THE "MADE IN CHINA" UNPREDICTABLE PRODUCTS??? WHILE THESE "GOOD STUFFS" PRODUCTS FROM CHINA HAVE RELENTLESSLY DEVASTATED THE ENTIRE WORLD NATIONS AS BEING REPORTED ALL THE TIME!!!!

In summary, "Made in China" products have become the WORLD NIGHTMARE TO ALL WORLD CONSUMERS AS PROVEN RELENTLESSLY!

rotten-world:

QUESTION TO THE US FDA AND US LAWMAKERS AND U.S PRODUCTS INSPECTING AND HARMFUL PRODUCTS PREVENTING AUTHORITIES:

HOW THE US FDA AND U.S LAWMAKERS CAN DEAL WITH BILLIONS OF MADE IN CHINA KEEP FLOWING INTO THE USA WHILE THIS NATION HAS NO WAY TO TEST THEM ALL AND HOW MANY PRODUCTS AND KINDS OF PRODUCTS CONTAMINATED WITH ALL SORTS OF DEALY POISONS REACHING AMERICAN CONSUMERS AND UNDETECTED AND SILENTLY UNKNOWN????

For sure, no available capability and resources in the U.S can detect and prevent relentless massive flows of Made in China into this USA nation! This us due to billions of items or products of all sorts from food-based products to medicines-based products to household consuming products spreading all over this nation without proper checking and testing and preventing due to no proper and effective available resources of all sorts are existing in this nation!
HOWEVER, THIS NATION STILL FEEL FREELY LET THE INFLUXES OF MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS FLOWING IN RELENTLESSLY AT THE OUT OF CONTROLLED CONDITION! AND THIS IS THE UNACCEPTABLE AND MINDLESS PROBLEM TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW EXISTING IN THIS NATION!
AND IN COMMONSENSEWISE, THIS PROPLEM IS CAUSED BY THESE MINDLESS FOLKS! WHILE THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION AS COMSUMERS ARE THE ONLY THE VICTIMS OF THESE KINDS OF CRAZY NATIONAL DISASTER AND MINDLESS ACTIVITIES PLANNED BY THE NON-VISIONARY AND MINDLESS FOLKS THAT THEY CAN SEE NO FARTHER THAN THEIR NOSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, how Americans who can protect their own health and their families frombieng harmed by MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS WHILE THESE "GOOD STUFFS" FROM CHINA HAVE DEVASTATED THE ENTIRE WORLD NATIONS!!!!

suzannabanana23:

First -- those of us moms in the U.S. don't need to be overly concerned about milk product -- yet. Check out more on this at www.downtoearthblog.com.

BUT -- the EU is getting a big squidgey. Here's the latest update:

Melamine health risks for European consumers - The European Food Safety Authority issued a statement saying that if adults in Europe were to consume chocolates and biscuits containing contaminated milk powder, they would not exceed the TDI (Tolerable Daily Intake), but in worst case scenarios with the highest level of contamination, children with high daily consumption of milk toffee, chocolate or biscuits containing high levels of milk powder would exceed the TDI.

Organization: European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), Data Collection and Exposure Unit (DATEX) and the Unit on Contaminants (CONTAM)

Summary: From the EFSA press release:
Following recent events in China, the European Commission asked the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) to provide urgent scientific advice on health risks for European consumers related to the possible presence of melamine in composite foods containing milk or milk products originating from China.

EFSA’s scientists today issued a statement saying that if adults in Europe were to consume chocolates and biscuits containing contaminated milk powder, they would not exceed the TDI (Tolerable Daily Intake) of 0.5 mg/kg body weight, even in worst case scenarios.

Children with a mean consumption of biscuits, milk toffee and chocolate made with such milk powder would also not exceed the TDI. However, in worst case scenarios with the highest level of contamination, children with high daily consumption of milk toffee, chocolate or biscuits containing high levels of milk powder would exceed the TDI. Children who consume both such biscuits and chocolate could potentially exceed the TDI by up to more than three times.

High levels of melamine can primarily affect the kidneys. EFSA applied the TDI of 0.5 mg/kg body weight for melamine in a specific case of contamination in 2007.

The Commission requested EFSA to focus its assessment on biscuits and chocolate which contain milk powder as such products can be imported from China. EFSA developed theoretical exposure scenarios based on European consumption figures of biscuits and chocolate. In the absence of available data for contaminated milk powder, EFSA also used the highest value of melamine, reported in Chinese infant formula as a basis for worst case scenarios. EFSA stressed that it is not known at the moment whether such theoretical high level exposure scenarios could occur in Europe.

Source: Question number: EFSA-Q-2008-695

Date Released: 2008-09-25

Web site: The EFSA press release is at http://www.efsa.eu.int/EFSA/efsa_locale-1178620753812_1211902098433.htm

rotten-world:

Some information related to MELAMINE DENSITY in the milk-laced with Melamine that has been manufactured by Yili company of CHINA sold to S.E.A nations as:

Yili manufactured with diiferent Brands:

"Pure" (1liter) has Melamine density: 392mcg/l, and "Pure"(250ml) Melamine density: 7,371mcg/l
"Milk Blueberry Taste" (250ml container) Melamine density: 106 mcg/l
"Milk Strawberry Taste" (250ml container) Melamine density: 46mcg/l
"Milk Original Taste" (250ml) Melamine density: 2,500mcg/l

Notes:
(250ml) stands for a a container has capacity of 250 mililiter
mcg/l stands for microgramme/liter

AS SEEN THE TESTED DATA WERE WAY TOO HIGH FOR HUMAN BODY CAN WITHSTAND! AND THAT'S WHY CHINESE CHILDREN CANNOT SURVIVE WITH THESE MELAMIME CONTAMINATED LEVELS!


The Realist:

DBL J = Communist tool....
What book are you using to teach your class?
Mein Kampf? Be sure to focus on the portions that have to do with PROPAGANDA.

I laughed all day today.
I threw my bait out onto the surface of the pond.
And it was immediately consumed.
DBL J is the "second level" COINTELPROP thrown into the blogosphere fray here.
Either what the Communist Manifesto calls a "useful idiot" or a more fluent English speaking Chinese Communist Party member. (or maybe a committee of propagandists)
Amazingly well constructed and posted counter-refutations to all my unfounded "accusations".....

I have hours and hours to post to blogs....not.

I accomplished everything I wanted to in this discussion.

Americans. Read the propaganda posted into an AMERICAN newspaper by foreign nationals and UNDERSTAND what is going on.
The Chinese get really huffy when we "interfere" in their "internal affairs". What would you call this? Shaping the battlefield?............

See you later professional propagandists.

observer28:

What will it take for our administration to comprehend the extent of risk in importing consumable products from China? Since we are a litigious society I wouldn't be surprised to see several class action suits in the very near future against US importers of foods from China.

oldhonky:

A cheery line from an ancient Tom Lehrer song:

"Just think of all the marvelous ways
They're using plastics nowadays . . ."

What next — melamine in dim sum?

rotten-world:

rotten-world:
It seems to be in China where some folks here have been "confused" themselves between the so-called:

1/ MELAMINE as PROTEIN
2/ FORMALDEHYDE as FOOD PRESERVATIVE (use in China and exported to S.E.A nations to substitude Sodium Nitrite!)
3/ DIETHYLENE GLYCOL as SYRUP (exported to Central, South America due to both are sweet!)
4/ INSECTICIDES as FOOD ADDITIVE (exported to Japan)
5/ LEAD as FOOD ADDITIVE (exported to S. Korea to boost gross weight for exported Chinese crabs)

And what will be the following "confusions" that will surface in China and the rest of the world?

Maybe these chinese folks have believed themselves that these MADE IN CHINA PRODUCTS MUST HAVE THESE "ADDITIVES" and "PRESERVATIVES" TO MAKE THEM UNIQUE? AND LOWERING COST? as the "Chinese newly invented" products or "Chinese new discoveries" and these can only be able to find and import from China only? Who knows how these Chinese folks are thinking in their mind while trying to count more money at lower productions costs and higher financial gain in general? Only these Chinese folks and God know!

Maybe the U.S FDA and all world FDAs should find the answer for the world consumers to understand the secret deeds originated in China to apply new concepts in food-based businesses in China!
Maybe all products imported from China should be tested them all or sending back to China if unable to test them all and should start all over again to test one by one in nations which import Made in China products! and to perfectly sort out all well mixed "Chinese newly invented food-based Preservatives and Additives" in the food and foodstuffs for having more times and for doing more studies of these "super and unique food" made in China!

Else, the world consumers will have more chances to have Melamine, Formaldehyde, Diethylene Glycol, Insecticides, Benzene, Heavy Metals in their bodies and their children bodies!

dbl J in W China:

Wrong wrong and wrong again! Qinghai IS part of China, a province like Hubei, Hunan and all the west, not an antonanous zone, like Tibet and 5 other regions. Though at one time it was called Amdo, which is one of the two major cultures and languages of Tibet, it is as much a part of China is as california is a part of America.
Comparisons of yuan to dollar and looking at China daily were merely ways of showing the uninformed how ridiculous saying people make 17 cents a day is. Chinese teachers now make over 2000 yuan a month(the just got a raise). The economy has changed so much in just the few years I have been there.
You are right that our economys differ. while we are charging every man, woman , and child in America $2333 to bail out bad investors and fat cats, China is subsidising gas prices to keep them resonable and giving housing grants to the CENTRAL provinces, Hunan and hubei. I know this as my wife's mother was just given enough money to buy a small home in Changsha. Friends in Qinghai who run small businss were told that they would pay no taxes this quarter.
You are correct in saying that fast food is more of an extravagance here, but with the worldwide inflation of food costs this also is rapidly changing, you dont buy a coke anywhere for under 3 yuan now. So your time in China I suspect was a while ago.
I do talk to my students regularly, I teach mainly middle school, high school and young adults with good language skills. They will all tell you to a person that their life betters their parents lives ten fold.(maids average 10 yuan an hour now) Many pay their own way to classes and many of my parents are drivers, housecleaners and other lowly jobs. Again, realize that this is in Qinghai, a very poor part of China. Much of our conversations are based around how uninformed and biased the western press is. They laugh at your stupidity, as I am sure they will when they see these posts. They wonder why we bash them so.
About the press being biased, are you telling me that CNN and Fox news don't slant things?? This will be my last post as it is ridiculous to argue with those who are so blinded by bigotry and have obviously not left the US to see what the rest of the world is thinking of our actions.

LegendaryPunk:

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"Exchange rate when I travelled to the states a week ago was about $1=6.83 yuan, well over .17 cents a day.

Also, China is the second biggest consumer in automobiles right now and it is predicted that they will buy more cars per year than the US within 5 years, hard to do on 17 cents a day.

Also, it is a fact that over half of the world's working construction cranes are in China, mainly building highrise housing. Do you think they could fill all these new homes on 17 cents a day?"
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The fact that you are trying to directly compare these two countries on the basis of the exchange rate alone shows that you still have a little ways to go on understanding the difference between their economies.

If you're implying that "A coke at KFC, the largest fastfood chain here is 4 yuan," is expensive, then you're correct. However, from my experience of living in China (did the teaching thing myself after graduating), fast food is seen to be much more of an extravagance than it is here in America. When was the last time you saw an American child who was excited to have his birthday party in McDonald's? Furthermore, you can buy soda off the street for half the price, if that.
--
"A good place to look at these things on the internet would be www.china daily.com.cn"
~
This comment alone almost makes me want to discredit you entirely. Chinese news agencies (especially Xinhua) are almost pure propaganda machines. You want to know why China is having such a hard time opening up? Because the Chinese people have been given such a completely false view of what the rest of the world thinks of them. Chinese news agencies would be the LAST place I would go for reliable information.

Gosh people!:

--I am an American who lives in China, have been there for three years teaching English.--

And?

--Anyone who knows China knows that Central China is referred to as western China(sort of like our midwest)--

nope..

--Look at a map and see Xining(pronounced she ning) Qinghai(Ching high) and you'll see what is refered to as western China,--

Gosh.. Qinghai is NOT CHINA! Qinghai is a central and north-east Tibet and (for you again) is and was NEVER China.

here again for better understanding; To be a part of United Kingdom doesnt make Scotland into England.

Central China are 3 provinces; Henan, Hubei, Hunan.

again for people who are not good in undertanding CENTRAL CHINA = HENAN, HUBEI, HUNAN.

-- even though it is smack dab in the center of the country. Medium income here is about 1/4 that of the prosperous southeast and Beijing, about a thousand yuan a month. Exchange rate when I travelled to the states a week ago was about $1=6.83 yuan, well over .17 cents a day. 17cents won't buy you an egg. A coke at KFC, the largest fastfood chain here is 4 yuan.---

1000 yuan a month is very good salary for Chinese. most Chinese in Central China get 300-600 Yuan month. Ordinary Chinese get something around 100-300 yuan month.

--Northridge earthquake which devestated freeways and hospitals and damaged most homes within 20 miles of the epicenter was 6.3, each tenth of a point almost increases the strength 5 fold( don't believe me, look it up on the internet.---

again: Sichuan is an erthquacke zone. Sichunas architecture should be prepared for earthquackes. if you will shake in the middle Europe with 6-7 there will be not many houses who can stand such earthquacke. (and there are many different types of earthshaking!) Back to the westcoast of US or into Japan it is nothing for buildings. So you are wrong because Sichuan is a part of worldwide acsepted earthquacke-danger zone. Chinese goverment failed to make sure that buildings in this area have to be earthquacke save.

--Internet cafes are open everywhere in China--

thats just Bullsh-it. to have 5-6 internet cafes(most of them are nothing more than Game-houses) in whole 2-3 millions population city doesnt mean Chinese have internet. it just a drop of watter in a vulcano. (upss.. i see that chinese police guy on my monitor again..(i hope you know what i mean))

--and you are right, there is a charge, average 2 yuan an hour.--

nothing for forigner but it is 2-3 day food for Chinese.

--A big problem in China is that kids are spending too much time playing games in them, hard if they are spending more than their parents make in a day per hour, wouldn't you say?--

most chinese kids cant even dream about to get their foot into such "internet-game-house". If you see some of them then you are either in rich part of China or you see children of local rich people having fun.

--Also, China is the second biggest consumer in automobiles right now--

means nothing..

--and it is predicted that they will buy more cars per year than the US within 5 years, hard to do on 17 cents a day.--

again means nothing. many chinese buy a car for whole family. (means for family with grandpa, grandma (both parents) parents, uncle, mother father) car is a luxury in China. to have a car means a same like to be a "country club class" in USA. Aside that many chinese buy a car with very very long credit. (for chinese its much harder to get permission for buy a car from goverment than to get money together.)

---I know that my ideas of what I would find when I came to China to teach 3 years ago were also pretty skewed so I can't really blame you for being uninformed.--

lol.. you even dont know with who you are talking here.. about being informed see upper part of this posting..

---Again, check out your facts on goggle and other search engines. Go to Wykopia and check medium incomes etc..--

why should i see my work again?

--Also, it is a fact that over half of the world's working construction cranes are in China, mainly building highrise housing.---

means nothing..

--Do you think they could fill all these new homes on 17 cents a day? --

yes... aside that all those new homes are build mostly in rich parts of China. Ordinary Chinese do live in a tent or in a house wich is owned by their company, Or in their "big family house" mostly owned by state or local cooperative/commune/comunist party..

---A good place to look at these things on the internet would be www.china daily.com.cn (English daily newspaper) or even on www.yahoo.com.cn(chinese version of yahoo) and see for yourself.---

lol.. china daily is a part of world biggest propaganda machine. next time you should talk more with your pupils.

--Then at least there could be some fact behind your hateful posts.--

whahahaha..

Вестник:

"Aside from the slow response, poor regulation seems to have played a major part in the adulteration of products.

Milk stations have been adding melamine to watered-down products since at least April 2005, said Hebei's deputy governor, Yang Chongyong, according to Bloomberg News."

http://www.rfa.org/english/energy_watch/toxic-milk-09232008135733.html

Anonymous:

To dbl j in western China,

Thanks for doing good work for our people and China, you are one of us now.

There are at least 3 Anonymous constantly posting here, one is Euro Anonymous, another is Chinese Anonymous, and another Anonymouses.

I like this name Anonymous because is funny and constantly creates confusion for others, like the pupil sitting in front of class that constantly been shot by rubber bands and paperroll from behind but could not figure out who does it. It is good strategy for John and EuroAnonymous, so I can fool them in the shadow. And I often see EuroAnonymous were getting kicked but do not know who did, that makes me laugh. of course I have low standard about entertaining class, but it is funny.

dbl j in western China:

PS If I thought you could be civil and not so hateful I would tell you about my online journal site where I have written over 500 pages of what life is truly like in the middle Kingdom. but don'e need your sickening comments.

dbl j in western china:

Anonomous/realist/stupid sh it,
I am an American who lives in China, have been there for three years teaching English. Anyone who knows China knows that Central China is referred to as western China(sort of like our midwest)> Look at a map and see Xining(pronounced she ning) Qinghai(Ching high) and you'll see what is refered to as western China, even though it is smack dab in the center of the country. Medium income here is about 1/4 that of the prosperous southeast and Beijing, about a thousand yuan a month. Exchange rate when I travelled to the states a week ago was about $1=6.83 yuan, well over .17 cents a day. 17cents won't buy you an egg. A coke at KFC, the largest fastfood chain here is 4 yuan.
Northridge earthquake which devestated freeways and hospitals and damaged most homes within 20 miles of the epicenter was 6.3, each tenth of a point almost increases the strength 5 fold( don't believe me, look it up on the internet.
Internet cafes are open everywhere in China and you are right, there is a charge, average 2 yuan an hour. A big problem in China is that kids are spending too much time playing games in them, hard if they are spending more than their parents make in a day per hour, wouldn't you say?
Also, China is the second biggest consumer in automobiles right now and it is predicted that they will buy more cars per year than the US within 5 years, hard to do on 17 cents a day.
I know that my ideas of what I would find when I came to China to teach 3 years ago were also pretty skewed so I can't really blame you for being uninformed. Again, check out your facts on goggle and other search engines. Go to Wykopia and check medium incomes etc..
Also, it is a fact that over half of the world's working construction cranes are in China, mainly building highrise housing. Do you think they could fill all these new homes on 17 cents a day?
A good place to look at these things on the internet would be www.china daily.com.cn (English daily newspaper) or even on www.yahoo.com.cn(chinese version of yahoo) and see for yourself. Then at least there could be some fact behind your hateful posts.

Dbl J in Western China:

Hey realist,
Obviously you do not spend a lot of time in China and know little about it because if you did you wouldn't believe the falsehoods you are putting forth as truths,, 17 cents a day wages simply do not exist in China, and computer cafes open to anyone who wants to use them are on nearly every streetcorner. I live in the west, in what is known as the poorest part of China and EVERY man women and child has a mobile. Cost of use is much more reasonable and no one is slave to years long phone contracts.
The food here is healthier, more beautiful and cheaper and I see far more starving people on the streets of American cities than I do here. Also, get your fact straight about earthquakes. The 7.9 quake that devastated Sichuan would flatten any city anywhere. Yes, death tolls were high because China builds primarily with concrete, but no buildings survive 7.9 quakes. As far as censorship on the internet, you don't think word searches are done by our government to detect subversion? Try typing bomb and anything to do with islam in the same sentence and see who knocks at your door.
It is so embarrassing to see such misinformation come out of the west and spouted as truths, get your facts straight, research what is really going on here then talk with a semblence of intelligence...

Lol:

Anonymous:

Moris:
Please Chinese people don't be disheartened by overly critical western media...They are trying to divide China..Communism is the best you have got to stay together..else you guys will end up like small European nations and wont even get a visa to go to another country...worse you will end up like India and pakistan based on religion and ethnic divide

Your leaders were just great...mature and visionaries...Stick together in this hard times..you guys will come out winner

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hey LOL why are you using another nickname again?
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I am not Morris.You really disappointed me,Euro Anonymous. I am not afraid of talking my opinion and being slapped unfairly by others as "cool-mmunist". Using different name is the last thing I want do.

I talk for my country and hope it better. I tell the truth.So I have nothing to feel ashamed of .

In your exaggeration in some comments,I still could learn something of the reality.I merely do not like to see people distort the truth, throwing gas on fire and stoking tension and bloodshed.

Basically, I agree with Dr.Pomfret's most of view of China,though he took some anecdotes as the truth like nurse feeding soldier story etc.. But I understand that's not out of an ill purpose.

This bashing of China's food safety is very positive,in my eyes.This sort of bashing is helping China get rid of those corrupted officials and immoral businessmen. Chinese are very very sick of and angry to those social parasites.

I feel for Moris' feeling to China,but a confident China should face her own problems and accept criticism (of course,not demonization) and move forward.

I should rest my arguments here.Don't want to see a petty,narrow minded person attacking others as commie and then claim his "legitimate" victory immediately. In terms of this,you are much better,Euro Anonymous.

Anonymous:

Moris:
Please Chinese people don't be disheartened by overly critical western media...They are trying to divide China..Communism is the best you have got to stay together..else you guys will end up like small European nations and wont even get a visa to go to another country...worse you will end up like India and pakistan based on religion and ethnic divide

Your leaders were just great...mature and visionaries...Stick together in this hard times..you guys will come out winner

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hey LOL why are you using another nickname again?

polou:

From Canada, we in some areas of Toronto, Vancouver and other urban areas with Asian populations pulled some of the made in China food products as a precaution after what happened to the pet food incidents last year.

Вестник:

China's own Sept 11: Sanlu publicly recalls 700 tons of baby formula, after reports of babies having kidney stones.

Moris:

Please Chinese people don't be disheartened by overly critical western media...They are trying to divide China..Communism is the best you have got to stay together..else you guys will end up like small European nations and wont even get a visa to go to another country...worse you will end up like India and pakistan based on religion and ethnic divide

Your leaders were just great...mature and visionaries...Stick together in this hard times..you guys will come out winner

Lol:

To jwbb:

You are absolutely right in your opinion but I have little reservation in the tradition thing.The world is progressing,so history only serves to inspire nowadays people to do better and it does not give people the excuse to forget their inability at present time.

With regard to business,American have their choice to do what they deem right and harmful goods should not be tolerated no matter where they are. The punishment to immoral businesses services the common good.

This global supply chain squeezes the profit of suppliers having no bargaining power. So any chance of public oversight would be caught by diligent,mercenary businesses. Chinese need to learn the lesson of business ethics for the sake of long-range benefit.

Anonymous:

For those who want to help China,
China welcomes you, please come;
For those who want to attack China,
Beijing welcomes you, please come;
What I 'm saying is that you don't need your military, all you need is to go to Chinese embassy get a working visa, and go to China to control the large corps.
Stop thinking fighting Soviet, you can go to China in peace and get a office and fight there, I'm sure Beijing government cannot do anything harm to you, ask John.
American don't need guns and aircrafts, just a office in China, so you can help Chinese people and fight the corruption government.
The greatest power penetrates in a fluid form as water. It is like a Bishop of region so you can spread Americanism in China, actually shamelessly say that Chinese worship Americanism than Confucian (We like Jeans, not Kai Dang Ku), whether commons or officials, as long as American don't bring guns illegally into China, but China really welcomes you to work and educate people in cooperation, and who knows after years you will become American Chinese that benefit both countries and people, and yourself, guarantee you will come home to publish books, journals, and who knows you may end up a romance that seems most foreigners very luckily and easily to crash, sounds familiar? Look at Mr. John Pomfret, an award winning American journalist and author reports about China and not to mention his Chinese wife. See, It is whole package.

The best way of two culture to communicate and help out each other, is not only about building a bridge. But it's about getting over, for both sides to cross.

I really love your AntiWar Activists, 1 of them could stir up a whole stadium, I mean have you looked at all other republicans' face, fear and uncertain, I mean only one woman could do that. But she was at wrong place. China need her to work on our milk assembly line.

When you can confront the enemy in front their face, why stand far away; when you can use your books and speech to educate and change your enemy, why use swords and guns; Sun Zi says: "A wise general conquers his enemy's heart without using weapon; the next is politics, and the last is to fight a battle." Why wage a economical war when you can win pocket investment?

Like US government trying to sell Taiwan 60 Billion weapons, but I write 500 words and add on one poem that could tell those independent dreamers have nightmare sweat and give up their illusion. Power comes from wisdom, wisdom comes from true friendship, and true friendship is love, and for love is God. I promised that I do not quote scripture, oops.

Like Bob Costas of NBC Olympic broadcaster's closing message I quote : "In the end that we showed you that Chinese people already stretched their hand toward us, what shall we do?" Something like that.

Yeah, we have our own weakness, but we are trying to improve too, step by step. And I am proud about our government that they allow media enjoys some limited transparency,even though still has a long way to go, but a great step, it could be worse like our men's soccer team, never improved, but thank God they are not.

jwbb:

We're living in China, and I can tell you that it's just not the government that's to be blamed for lack of food safety control. It's the suppliers, the middlemen/women and the consumers that demand cheap for best. Sorry, but cheap never equal best or anything resembling quality.
From what I can see, it is a combination of corporate profit greed and consumer cheapness ala Chinese stingyness that gives rise to the whole situation of crappy made in china stuff.
Go on any street in China, and watch the people's buying habits from food to toiletries to baby products. Unless they're buying from a supermarket where the prices are fixed and non-negotiable, the Chinese consumer are more than likely to bargain and to drive prices down, and the average businessman in order to keep the customer happy and make that 2cents from that plastic bucket would sell it for minimal profit. Which in turn, these businessmen are going to demand cheaper products from their wholesalers, who in turn would tell their manufacturers(if they don't already know) what the word on the street is. Everybody wants good stuff for cheap. This is impossible.
So people get cheap radios that break when you're installing the batteries, shoes that rip apart when you're tying them on. And baby formula that kills.
And it's just not the Chinese that are demanding quality products for cheap, it's everybody, check out the proliferation of 100Y shops in Japan over the last decade and a half, everything is made in China, while most are decent quality, mostly are unfortunately crap that falls apart. In NA we have the Wal-mart disease, I do not need to get into that.
So if people wants quality stuff, we either have to make it in first world countries where we have strict environmental and labor laws, and be willing to pay more for it or force Chinese manufacturers to clean up their act. The latter is a huge hurdle and most probably be an exercise in frustration. The first option would bring the jobs back home where people sort of know what they're doing. At least we know where our children's toys and food is coming from.
China is not too poor to clean up it's act. It's just that the people don't know any better because seriously, China does not have a 5000 year old history, it has a 40 year old history. Just google Cultural Revolution.
The education system is abysmal and the lack of understanding of the amount of environmental damage the Chinese are doing is not even funny. Hygiene is one thing, but having no government regulation to burn toxic graded fuels in the midst of residential neighborhoods is another.
I could go on and on, but what I've typed had been discussed and beaten to death more than once.

Lol:

I fully support banning all Chinese goods in U.S,though it is the market to decide where to do business with. Severe punishment is the best remedy for those corrupted officials and mentally ill businessmen.

RightHuman:

Will a stronger government be the solution to stop these greedy capitalists from putting poisons in our foods and products? Can we execute these people and not trigger human rights protests? Maybe lock them up? Would that do justice to all those kids who were poisoned? The fundamental trade-off in any system is always between freedom and security; freedom to pursue happiness through making a profit verses the security from being poisoned by fake products.

This is not so much a race issue about the Chinese people being incapable of producing anything good. This is a human issue. It is an issue of human greed, human materialism, human excess, and the human need to project all evils onto the "other." If anything that that goes wrong, "they" did it to "us."

Blaming the "other," in this case 1.2 billion people in China, does not fully address our personal insecurities as manifested in our constant need for consumables. We really need to self reflect here and ask, why are we so materially dependent on excess? Why are we so crass as to buy things we don't need just because they are on sale only to stuff our garages full? What does this say about who we are as individuals? Why do we have this insatiable need for "things?" What do we lack that makes us thirst for material goods?

James:

The milk problem is just tip of the iceberg of the the food problem in China

The food problem is the only the tip of the iceberg of the social problem in China

xgy2:

Don't forget the fake heparin
(anti-coagulant) that was killing
people earlier this year.
It was yet another instance of the scam
they have been running with milk and
pet food - adding a cheap (but potentially
deadly) dilutant to increase profits.
The FDA effectively buried the story.

Human lives mean nothing to these
people.

Bridge to Nowhere:

The author has it all wrong. The quality of food imported to the U.S. from China is what it is. Because of the milk tragedy there will be a lot more testing in the U.S. of food imported from China. U.S. consumers benefit.

1G:

wake up guys.

do you know why this happened? it is the absence of rule of law...zero legal remedy.

you can profit and kill with no consequence. Contrast this with the US. There is an established legal system and as a result companies will have process and procedures to insure against lawsuits. Not so in China. The lack of the rule of the law is the root problem. Of course the obvious question is - why there isn't the rule of law? culture? political system?

wallace:

Obama is to blame for all of the problems of the earth; sour milk included.

Choose yourpoison:

In China the food, air and water are being poisoned, for the economic well being of the elite. In America the financial markets are being poisoned for the economic well being of the elite. We are not so different, our 2 nations. We are both being destroyed by our malevolent capitalist masters.

We are lied to by the press and our government daily.

The Realist:

To the Honorable Lols:

You are obviously not familiar with loud, obnoxious, American humor. So first, my apologies if I offended you in any way.
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"LOL's" It is tiring to see people use slogan-like generalization every time."

All specific issues are in fact extensions of generalizations. Specifics flow from generalizations like the branches of a tree.
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"LOL's I love my motherland for sure,and you don't have to doubt that."

What exactly is it that you love about your Motherland?
The 17 cents a day wages that Wal-Mart pays to the Chinese shell Corporations for Chinese Workers?
The lack of building codes that caused a whole city to collapse from an earthquake that would have caused minimal damage to correctly engineered and constructed structures?
I could go on and on about "specifics" but, generalizations, well, they say it all.
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"LOL's - This Chinese government is not total evil for sure,"
So, are you saying that since it's not "totally" evil that it is what? Partially Evil? What percentage would you say? 10% 20% 50%????
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"LOL's - and it still provides very essential protection for ordinary Chinese."
?? "Protection" from what? The dreaded Gwai-lo invasion? Buildings falling on you? Wage Slavery? Tainted food products? Free Speech? again.... Generalizations all... so unfortunate.
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"LOL's - In line with your logic,I would deem you as a frantic China-hater as well as separation terrorists."
No, my poor misguided and indoctrinated communist lost soul. I don't hate China. I hate political systems that exploit their people and other countries good will.
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"LOL's - So get to your dark compartment to enjoy your own huge ego,which is nonexistent in the reality.
I do not mean to rebut you and only wish a little insight from your sophistication.Now I know your depth."

My depth of understanding is beyond your ability to fathom as the educational system and society in which you operate provides you with only a partial glimpse of the reality of the world.

Only privileged Communist Elites are provided with access to a computer and "banned" websites and applications...hence, yes, you are in fact a Communist Agit-Prop tool. So sad, so sad. I imagine the Communist Party leaders are looking over your shoulder, reviewing all your responses.
A sad shadow a a memory of the lost souls of Tienanmen Square sighs as I remember them being crushed by the tanks of their oppressors.
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"LOL's - If you have that generalization,why you come to comment on specific topic? This is what I mean. People here are not fool."

Sadly, you think they are fools, that is why you are here, spreading your distortions of the truth.
Look deep into your heat my friend, Lao Tzu is crying for you.

The Realist

Dan Kelly:

The same market forces, corruption and lack of regulation that were explored in Upton Sinclaire's The Jungle, are at work in China today. But China does not yet have the institutional dynamism and separation of powers that could make real reform meaningful and ongoing. More than economic poverty, institutional poverty will continue to hold China back. Unless the one party system can be broken, unless free press and free speech evolve, there can be no effective checks on the excesses and failures of the Robber Barons who now rule that country's industry and government.

Job:

The Chinese are really pushing the boundaries of capitalism to the limits. It's all about the profits baby. Let's make lot's of money regardless of the consequences. Hmmm looks familiar they have baby's dying, we have families loosing their houses.

hamishdad:

I feel very bad for the Chinese people. They are forced to live under a government that cares more about the interests of industry than the welfare of its own people, much like this country will be if McCain becomes President.

Lol:

It is a good thing to stop importing all Chinese food. Let the market decide businesses' fate.

Stephan Larose:

The huge problem for the US is that a cabal of extremely rich people own their media and use that influence to profit from war. Becoming media literate and developing some form of critical thinking skills is paramount to American liberty, but its not something we'll see anytime soon, Americans revel in their patriotic stupidity.

The Rolling back of human/civil rights can only be accomplished when the populace is distracted, panicked, and impoverished. The war on terror and a host of fake bogeymen beyond the borders (Iraq, Iran, Russian, North Korea, Afghanistan, and that's just this decade) accomplish the first two goals while the massive transfer of wealth to the richest 0.5% and transfer of job security to Chinese wage slaves ensure the third.

Americans, sadly, are simply too dumb to grasp what has befallen them, an ignorance which now imperils the world. China is helpless, with hot money in its economy equal in value to its entire stockpile of foreign reserves, a banking system with an unmanageable proportion of non-performing loans, and an export dependent economy, you can bet China will feel the impact of the American financial tsunami now unfolding.

Gold and Silver bullion are safe havens, if anyone's interested in surviving long enough to watch global warming drown most of human civilization under the rising tides of the world's oceans...

Lol:

To The Realist:

By the way.I appreciate your overestimate my ability to be a Chinese government's agent. You logic to justify yourself by personal attack is too out-of-dated.

Lols:

The Realist:

You are off the point.It is pointless to post your such "insightful" generalization in any issue about China.

Be specific on this issue and make people informed .It is tiring to see people use slogan-like generalization every time.
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My guess is that you work for the Chinese Government, policing blog posts about the beloved Communist Motherland.
Go out into Tienanmen Square and salute the 100 foot high Portrait of Mao....
Back to the slave cubicle and keep typing the wonderfully insightful "rebuttals" gotta make your quota for the 2 bowls of rice....
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I love my motherland for sure,and you don't have to doubt that. This Chinese government is not total evil for sure, and it still provides very essential protection for ordinary Chinese.

In line with your logic,I would deem you as a frantic China-hater as well as separation terrorists.So get to your dark compartment to enjoy your own huge ego,which is nonexistent in the reality.

I do not mean to rebut you and only wish a little insight from your sophistication.Now I know your depth.

If you have that generalization,why you come to comment on specific topic? This is what I mean. People here are not fool.

QuetalQ:

Anyone remember the Chinese cough syrup scandal in 2006,
linked to hundreds of deaths in Panama and other Central American countries?. A principle component of that cough syrup originated from a Chinese pharmaceutical firm which substituted cheap diethylene glycol, a type of antifreeze, for the much more expensive medicinal grade glycerin??? And then all the other "Chinese scandals" that have introduced other toxins into our foods, vitamins, pharmaceutical and who knows what else or what next.

Is there a fundamental flaw in the basic premiss of the "Free Market" economy. Isn't it supposed to be that the market will correct itself? Well yes, maybe so, but after how many deaths?
Or are we seeing that when 'No One Is Watching' the 'Free Market' runs beyond anyones control. From Wall Street to "Made in China" the "Free Marked" has become a travesty and disaster.

I think I am becoming increasingly committed to a market correction myself, even though it is very difficult these days. I'm discovering, along with my family and friends, that I have a strong aversion to the "Made in China" label and I have stopped buying, "Made in China" altogether! even if it means there is no other alternative or if the alternative is more expensive. I think it's time for a market correction. Anyone else feeling this way?

Obviously, it's just up to us! We are kidding ourselves if we think the failing Bush administration or the FDA is going to watch out for anyone, except that is for Corporate America!

SDK:

If you pay cheap you'll get cheap things. How hard is that to understand? The manufacturer will cut corners, use cheaper materials and design or buy cheap designs so they can retain a profit margin. If you don't want "cheap chinese goods" then don't buy them, instead buy higher quality goods buy pay more, isn't that the problem? You want cheap things but demand the best quality.

The Realist:

You are off the point.It is pointless to post your such "insightful" generalization in any issue about China.

Be specific on this issue and make people informed .It is tiring to see people use slogan-like generalization every time.
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My guess is that you work for the Chinese Government, policing blog posts about the beloved Communist Motherland.
Go out into Tienanmen Square and salute the 100 foot high Portrait of Mao....
Back to the slave cubicle and keep typing the wonderfully insightful "rebuttals" gotta make your quota for the 2 bowls of rice....

Lol:

The Realist:

THE END RESULT OF 30 YEARS OF ECONOMIC DIPLOMACY.

China is still COMMUNIST

China has a HUGE MILITARY that AMERICANS pay for

China BLOCKS actively BLOCKS nuclear amrs sanctions against an ISLAMO-FASCIST regime in Iran

There are LITTLE TO NO HUMAN RIGHTS

Working conditions are tantamount to SLAVERY

There are no Child Labor Laws

The American Middle Class is shrinking away to NOTHING because all the jobs have DISAPPEARED to other countries.

Our Politicians (and by default us, the American People) are the laughing-stocks of the world.
We help everyone and they crap all over us.

Everyone better wake up soon, because we are heading for DISASTER.
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You are off the point.It is pointless to post your such "insightful" generalization in any issue about China.

Be specific on this issue and make people informed .It is tiring to see people use slogan-like generalization every time.

The patriot:

We lost the FDA to the minions when we got artificial sweeteners. Thank you Donald Rumsfeld.

All sorts of chemicals are surfacing in the media related to our foods. The issue is far reaching. From diethylene glycol in our cough medicines to over 700 companies outsourced overseas by big pharma to produce the medicinal products and all sorts of other ingredients we consume.

This problem is systematic, from the dept of health to the CDC; the US goverment has been totally infiltrated.

We are under attack!!!
We are under attack!!!
We are under attack!!!
We are under attack!!!
We are under attack!!!

NO ONE CAN SEE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The mortgage meltdown is a set-up. Another 911 without any buildings.. the cost is the same. Hard to beleive a few loans woould cause this whole system to collapse.

When all is said and done the debt will not get repaid and the US dollar will be left worthless. Sorry Ab Lincoln the Central Banks got us after all these years. The dollar will fall vitim to the North American Union's Amero.

If we want to identify the enemy we'll have to start with the news media. Our public enemy #1.

Anonymous:

John,

Even though I am a Chinese, and a diehard patriot such as if my government tells me to drink the tainted milk to support One China belief I would do it, but I have to agree with you on this.

That is why I suggest that more American go to China to police the individual cooperation on the QC process, especially those American Antiwar Activists , if they all can go to China to police the product quality, they will do a great job, they have the nail and hammer to punch the dead wood, and I be glad to see them in action like smash a bag of milk powder on the big official faces to make the job done well.

Our ancestors were perfectionists, they had slogan of 'Do one thing and die on perfecting it'. Now it seems our modern seeds lost their gene, but I have not seen German people who are straight and exact in such personality, but I have seen some Americans are really professional on what they do and really admire them much, it is not only corruption, it is the failing of morality of common Chinese culture, and some even have life slogan 'One who does not benefit himself then heaven curses him.' And this is not individual accidental matter, even accident has it cause. Actually Anti-China-Made action is really good for our Chinese, and the government, it is good bash to awake us about responsibility for life value.

It is not our government does not care about Human Rights, it is that most Modern Chinese do not know what is the true Human Rights for. And this is. From the Tainted milk and other food products, that we Chinese suppose to learn what is the elementary benefit of Human Rights, a government cannot even control the food standard, you American us them to work on the spiritual concepts? Elementary pupils cannot receive high school course. Not ready. Human Rice first; Rights second. I agree with you on this, but it does not mean you can divide our nation with your 'mediated' western tricks, even panda will bite if you poke her so hard. I still do not forgive your 'One Language Divides Two Nations' bullcrap.

The Realist:

THE END RESULT OF 30 YEARS OF ECONOMIC DIPLOMACY.

China is still COMMUNIST

China has a HUGE MILITARY that AMERICANS pay for

China BLOCKS actively BLOCKS nuclear amrs sanctions against an ISLAMO-FASCIST regime in Iran

There are LITTLE TO NO HUMAN RIGHTS

Working conditions are tantamount to SLAVERY

There are no Child Labor Laws

The American Middle Class is shrinking away to NOTHING because all the jobs have DISAPPEARED to other countries.

Our Politicians (and by default us, the American People) are the laughing-stocks of the world.
We help everyone and they crap all over us.

Everyone better wake up soon, because we are heading for DISASTER.

Lols:

Simple explanation: Chinese companies tend to export better quality goods meeting the high standards while dumping shoddy goods to their own countrymen. It is a boon for China to have people all around the world including Chinese shut up those immoral businessmen's business and punish those wrongdoers.

Peter:

It's not only milk. Do you know how many food products contain milk or it's derivates? Do you, or the US government, know where they really come from. It doesn't matter if the product was made, for instance, in Europe, Mexico or Canada. If the raw materials came from China, the Europeans, Mexicans or Canadians won't say or even know for sure.
Better worry...

KITTYCOVELLO:

Why are the American People not making more of this problem? I'm shocked every day that we have not made more of a STINK in regards to Chinese products being tainted?
If any AMerican manufacturer had tainted baby formula,they would be out of business in hours! If any american company had sold tainted pet food they would have been put out of buisness within days. Why do we continue to import tainted products from China?
They do not have the same type of regulations(that is why so many companies make their products in China). These large American manufacturers continue to have there products made there because of low cost laborers & no regulatory institution. Why should they care as long as there is profit in it?
As Americans we should care....we should stop purchasing products from these companies. I would never again buy a product manufactured in China IF I was given a choice but try to find a radio, a childs toy,vitamins,most plastic products...all from China...I tried to purchase an alarm...all made in China. I'll pay a lil more for an alarm made here...but Iv'e been given no choice...
We Are America...if we don't do something it will be done for us & I'm not sure I want to live in that kind of an America.

Robbo:

I suspect a significant contributing factor is China's deplorable legal system. If those who produce contaminated products, like those who freely dump toxic waste into China's waterways, could be held accountable in damages, they would smarten up quick enough. People only resort to these things to increase their margins which suggests they anticipate a level of immunity from liability and prosecution. Somebody in authority must be protecting these people and the Chinese government needs to explain how it's allowing this to continue.

Grady:

Zero debate is necessary. We have to have China either open to imports from the US (with limited tariffs just as China has limited tariffs when exporting to the US) or we close our borders to Chinese goods.

China also has to pay for the extra USDA personnel the US pays to insure the safety of Chinese imports. Trade with China is a slap in the face to the nations who have free-trade agreements with the US and to the countries we are currently negotiating free-trade with. The Free-Trade countries have to abide by the Fair-Trade requirements of the Free-Trade agreements. China has zero such requirement yet China gets near unlimited access to the US market. How can we wonder why our local/state/federal governments are going broke? Who do we expect to pay the bill for infrastructure when foreign interests own all of our companies?

Likewise the standard drumbeat in media and government has been too blame rising commodity prices almost solely on 'Rising living standards in developing countries as well as corn going into Ethanol production' instead of to the food chain.

The main reason for the rise in commodity prices is the US Trade Deficit. Foreign holders own as many US Dollars as Americans do. But the price of commodities is based in US dollars. 'Supply and Demand' = Those foreigners are willing to pay out more of their worthless dollars to get those desired commodities such as meat and milk. This situation puts pressure on us spoiled US consumers because we are unaccustomed to having to compete for food. We have to be ready to compete for our basic needs again just as early man did in the wild.

Just as the Wall Street Crash of 2008 shows, we are running out of dollars. We have sold off our companies. We have sold off our intellectual property. We have sold off the efforts of our ancestors who fought for workers' rights… What have we gotten in return for selling off our US treasures? We have bought disposable items that will be obsolete soon. We buy from countries that imprison people for following Roman Catholic practices. We buy from countries who want to erase Israel from the face of the earth simply for being Israel. We buy from countries that invariably raid other sovereign countries to gain geographical might. We buy from countries that love to export to us and yet put huge tariffs on our goods when imported to their country. We buy from countries that give their workers zero rights. We buy from countries where workers get zero paid vacations. We buy from countries where there are zero overtime laws. We buy from countries where workers have zero Workers compensation rights… What kind of economy are we about to leave to our children?

Many like to blame the Wall Street Crash on the Housing Crisis. The actual reason is that we have been running out of money so we went to a pyramid-type scheme for financing and the house of cards collapsed. Now National Sovereign Funds
(most of whom could care less about the US, democracy, and free-trade) are in a position to 'be nice' to the US by taking a financial stake in US institutions.

One thing we can be certain of: all those hundreds of millions of un-aborted male children growing up in China with very little female counterparts due to forced abortions (population control forced on the people by the government) will have plenty of money to go out and buy women wherever they want.

Sen. Obama's hot air about wanting to 'renegotiate' with NAFTA partners is ludicrous. After three-way approval of NAFTA the US experienced fast growth. Trade partners were held to the trade agreement. Now we have government subsidized goods coming in from China that shut down thriving US businesses. Let's concentrate government effort where the action is.

Likewise the Wall Street Journal 9-3-08 article 'Chinese Jetmaker Gets Western Help':
Why is the US government helping China develop Aircraft to compete with US and Canadian (NAFTA) plane manufacturers? The WSJ says the FAA opened a bureau in Shanghai 'to help the Chinese win certification for the ARJ21 (made by a Chinese government owned/run company). This is worse than allowing the quasi government run Airbus compete freely against Boeing. The WSJ goes on to say that 'Chinese state-controlled airlines could favor domestic manufacturers at the expense of Western companies.' In the article it is estimated that China will need $391 billion worth of new aircraft over 100 seats by 2026. China is allowing these parts makers to supply the first (1 plane) with parts made outside China. China will almost certainly thereafter force suppliers for the mass production of the plane to manufacturer the parts in China (the same as is done in cars).

Laurie C:

Wall Street is another can of worms - shut those fools down! enough is enough - $700,000,000,000 bail out - no bloody way - these fools in the market were practically partying when Bush made his announcement - market started to rise again - they just don't get it!!!

Laurie C:

China still quite poor??? - they have enough money to arm a huge military , drive a railway through to Tibet - don't tell me they haven't the money for food safety - all product coming into Canada should be tested - anything that resembles food!!!

Tim Dunn:

Why would you expect any better from the Bush administration? They recently sued an American meat company to prevent them testing testing for mad cow disease, which the company wanted to do in order to sell to Korea. The Bush administration abused a law meant to protect against veterinary malpractice to do it. Why? Because they know that mad cow disease would probably turn up, bringing the political heat on them, and harming the deep pocked interests they always represent. The Bush administration is just as careless of the public heath as the Chinese government, so why would the stringently test Chinese foods?

Funny:

Yeah, scary Chinese or Chinese products - they are more scary than toxic instruments the Wall Street has been piling up- Your pathetic, delusional white supremacists!

Raymond::

US government makes sure of the quality of import foods to protect American people. This is also important as anti-terrorist issue.

US:

China is big rubbish

Anonymous:

US government needs to inspect all import foods.
All foods need to label where they come from, data, ....

kaye1966:

Our government has no concern for the average citizen. You have to be a CEO of a large corporation or financial institution in order to be protected in this nation ... ie.. the current "bail outs" that are now on the table. The US government knew of the fraudulent practices of Wall Street and Fannie and Freddie and just set back and let it happen .... just as they are sitting back and let toxic goods from China pour into our country. They need to be replace ... the entire bunch of them ... Republicans, Democrats , congress and the senate !!!!!

isn't this funny?:

our financial system is crashed and we don't know the bottom yet. instead of worry about the our problems, we are whining about the Chinese. Are we ready to eat grass yet?

Robert Bay Slidell La:

You have to be crazy not to notice that all the things you buy for your children are made in China. Most of them end up in their mouth. This is sickning and scary. Not to mention all the things we don't even realize that come from China. I can't believe that our government would let China police this out themselves.

Joe B:

Go to your local Chinese market to see for yourself what's on the shelves. FDA is pulling people's legs.

John:

You get what you paid for. Low price means cheap quality. This is a huge problem for US.

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