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China's Perfection Obsession

So am I the only one who is having trouble figuring out how a nation of 1.3 billion people can't find a little girl who can be adorable and sing well at the same time? I mean why China had to lip-synch "Ode to the Motherland" at the opening ceremony, using cute as a button 9-year-old Lin Miaoke as a front for the voice of still pretty cute Yang Peiyi is truly befuddling.

Perhaps the most amazing thing about it all is that this decision went all the way to the Standing Committee of the Politburo -- China's inner inner circle.

This is how Chen Qigang, the event's general manager justified the decision: "This is in the national interest. It is the image of our national music, national culture. Especially the entrance of our national flag; this is an extremely important, extremely serious matter."

You have to hand it to Chen for coming out with this news. Perhaps he opposed the lip-synching stunt. Also, he's protected somewhat from China's wrath. While he was born in China, he's a French citizen.

It brings home a point about China these days. Good looks are not only valued; they are a key to getting ahead in life, especially for women. Just read the want ads in any Chinese newspaper. Ads for secretaries routinely demand good looks and often good figures, down to exact measurements. For a while in the late 1990s, authorities in Hunan province used to examine the breasts of candidates for civil service jobs. Shuang ru dui cheng -- in other words "symmetrical breasts" -- was a condition of employment. Ads for male-dominated jobs routinely have height and weight requirements as well. Legislation to stop discrimination against the handicapped or the asymmetrical? Not happening.

China's obsession with looks has been probed by Daniel Hamermesh, an economist at the University of Texas, who has studied the relationship between beauty and pay -- something the Guardian noted in their piece on the two girls today.

Hamermesh, according to the Economist, first studied this phenomenon in the United States and Canada and showed that ugly people earn less than average incomes, while beautiful people earn more. In North America, the ugliness "tax" for men was -9% while the beauty bonus was +5%. For women, the ugliness tax was -6% while the beauty premium was +4%.But in China? Hamermesh found that that ugliness is penalised more in women, but beauty is more rewarded. The figures for men in one city, Shanghai, were -25% and +3%; for women they are -31% and +10%.

How do you say Milli Vanilli in Chinese?

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Comments (213)

Anonymous:

The US myth of superpower is broken.

A great general always win without fight - Sun Tzu theory. Chinese have used sport to win gold medal race which is equivalent to winning a war.

Its an honor to all people of chinese origin in the world.

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wich drugs are it? LCD? Hashish? Kokaine? Opium? seriously guy... i want to know what a drug are you smoking before posting here?

Jo:

The US myth of superpower is broken.

A great general always win without fight - Sun Tzu theory. Chinese have used sport to win gold medal race which is equivalent to winning a war.

Its an honor to all people of chinese origin in the world.

Anonymous:

“I think you are being very meticulous,” said Wang Wei, vice-president of the Beijing Olympic Organising Committee, trying to brush the latest revelation aside. “It is rather normal and usual for actors and actresses to be dressed in costumes from different ethnic groups. There is nothing special about it.”

But that was not how the official programme announced the Galaxy Children’s Art Troupe. It declared that the children who clustered around the national flag in a show of unity were from all the various ethnic groups.

One Tibetan told The Times: “They all looked like Han Chinese. It was clear to everyone at the start. But I suppose they thought there was too much risk that even a child could make an unacceptable gesture.”

Officials are particularly sensitive about the disclosure after ethnic riots in Tibet in March when 22 people, mostly Han Chinese, were killed, and after three attacks in the westernmost Xinjiang region against security forces by suspected Muslim separatists.

Many Chinese said that the use of the Han children was normal since they were actors. Others said the decision put the spotlight on the cultural dominance of the Han and the unwillingness of the majority ethnic group to tolerate others. The Communist Party is at pains to play down ethnic differences in the Olympic year.

Officials have also confirmed that a leading dancer injured in a rehearsal for the opening ceremony could be paralysed for life.

Mr Wang declined to say whether Liu Yan, 26, had been paralysed below the waist. “This is a very private question. I understand that she was seriously injured, but I am not sure whether she is paralysed or not. She is hospitalised at this moment.” Photographs of Ms Liu showed her making a V-for-victory sign from her hospital bed and smiling valiantly.

The four-hour show a week yesterday was created by the Oscar-nomin-ated Chinese film director Zhang Yimou. On Tuesday it came to light that the bright-eyed little girl who wowed more than a billion viewers with her sparkling rendition of Ode to the Motherland was miming to the voice of another little girl, Yang Peiyi, whose crooked teeth were deemed unacceptable by a Politburo member.

The 29 giant footprint fireworks that exploded from the Bird’s Nest stadium along the central north-south axis of Beijing were never seen by television viewers. It was technically difficult to film the spectacle so the global audience saw a display of digitally created computer wizardry.

Few Chinese have been upset by the digital sleight of hand. However, many have voiced outrage on the internet about the miming singer. One member of the Muslim Hui minority described how Han Chinese were required to wear white Muslim skullcaps, or head-scarves in the case of women, when the torch relay passed through the western Ningxia province. “It was all fake. But we are used to this.”

Anonymous:

"I pity some Americans, they don't have the strength to win, nor have they the courage to lose.
God pity Americans!"

Like America is putting much effort. Just the biggening. The real fun will take time.

Anonymous:

"Thanks to the likes of Sun Tzu, most Chinese are strategic thinkers from birth."

What was he a genetic scientist? Maybe it has more to do with historical large population and lack of resources, coupled with limited religious influence.

Chris:

a rather thought provoking piece.

I think it's commonly known (amongst us Chinese at least) that looks is one of the key factors they consider when selecting athletes for the national team, as they will be more favorably accepted not only by the home crowds but also the western press (think Zheng Jie).

Thanks to the likes of Sun Tzu, most Chinese are strategic thinkers from birth.

Independent:


John Pomfret,

Please, how about a new topic, this subject really is quite inane. I would like to see a discussion as to why people thinks most of the United States media has been so negative toward the Olympics being in China. I think a lot of the negative coverage has to do with ignorance, economic insecurities, xenophobic nationalism and racism.

Anonymous:

"... Chen Qigang, the event's general manager justified the decision.
Also, he's protected somewhat from China's wrath. While he was born in China, he's a French citizen...."

No, Chen doesn't need to be protected.

He's actually the Politburo's mouthpiece,
"This is in the national interest. It is the image of our national music, national culture. Especially the entrance of our national flag; this is an extremely important, extremely serious matter."

Anonymous:

I pity some Americans, they don't have the strength to win, nor have they the courage to lose.
God pity Americans!

LC:

The girl who was the karaoke stand it was too old to compete on the Chinese "women's" gymnastic team.

God father:

According to some Chinese websites, the true reason for the lip syncing is far more complex than obsessetion for perfection. It is another show of how capitalism works.

Lin Miaoke was already a star before her singing at the Olympics. She had taken part in various movies, TV shows and advertisments. Some of the large sponsors of the Olympics recomended Lin because that would certainly boost the value of their ads in which Lin starred. The only problem is Zhang Yimou already had a singer whose voice is much better. They reached the compromise to let Lin do the lip syncing and showing her face on TV. That's what we saw on TV...

Anonymous:

Advise to Chinese;

You can have a 100 successes and 1 failure, people will not forget the failure.

Western countries dwell on the negative, period.

To some Chinese dude who thinks he's all that:

Yes I can read your juvenile post. It is indeed very juvenile. What else do you want me to say?

You also used simplified Chinese, which is a perversion to the real Chinese characters. Using simplified Chinese is like speaking in Pidgin English and claiming it as the real deal

Anonymous:

The US media wants to portray everything as bad, especially the US economy. Why? Do you not think there are many really rich people in the US sitting on a pile of cash? Every 5 or so years you break everything up, big time. Beat down the stock market, realestate, government, China, etc.... Then once it is low, you come out and buy everything for cheap.

To Chinese, do you believe that your government is really strong or that the Foreign interest that owns approx 40% of chinese companies, factories, etc... are giving China a lot of influence world wide. It is the two trillion dollars in investment by foreign interests in China that is actually protecting China. China is stuck holding major US debt to protect its currency, which is actually bad because that money could be used to build China further, but is stuck in US debt. Chinese companies have used trade to export inflation, so that China's inflation is lower, but now it is becoming impossible with Consumer inflation in CHina at 7% and Producer at 10% and US and EU inflation running at 4%. There will be a major shift in manufacturing in the world over the next two years, none of it good for China.

Anonymous:

To AE, very good comments.

The only Olympics that are rememberred, are rememberred for bad things. Berlin, Munich, Moscow, Mexico, and Los Angeles are the 5 most rememberred ones, why, because of the Nazi's, shootings, boycott, black power and boycott. No good Olympics is rememberred internationally a month after it is over, but a bad one can last decades. The possible gains for China were always very small, most golds, really does not matter especially when it cost a fortune to get them (Berlin all over again) and the possible pain, well there has been a lot for China and it is neither over and the critisism will last years.

Zhang Fan:

You just have to read a little bit more carefully on what Chen Qigang said to get the full picture: the politburo member said it "needs to be changed" when heard Lin Maoke's voice at the rehearsal, meaning her voice is not good enough. But did the politburo member made the decision of lip-sync? Apparently no. It's Chen and the music team who made the compromise, Chen then tried to cover his own mistakes by citing "national interest" and also dragged in Zhang Yimou as well as the politburo member.

Chinese public read too much out of it, partly because they feel that's the most treasured moment of the ceremony but then apparently spoiled by this lip-sync thing. Yet the western media read too much out of it for totally different reasons.

American Swaggers and FreeTibetSpy are craps:

Why do American so eager to find a black candidate for the presidency election? Because they want to save the face Bush bankrupt totally.

Do American still have any face (or credibility) nowadays? Look at those swaggers here and their brazen words here. They have no face,so why should they bother to save?????

So,understand,Chinese? You guys are still too shy to know the fact most of those people are craps.

Anonymous:

To English do you speak it?:
You are really so foolish! Can you speak Chinese "孙子"? If you can, you are a "孙子". Try to find the meaning of "孙子" on your own. I am sure you can find the exact meaning on wwww.google.com

Gold obsession:

Which is more important, winning the most medals overall, or winning the most gold medals?

'..."The message is that winning is everything," says James Riordan, emeritus professor of sports history at Surrey University in Britain. "That's not the message the Games are supposed to convey. Why have silvers and bronzes?"

The argument for the gold-first table is that winning is what matters. Chinese-sports historian Lu Yuanzhen said Chinese sports officials have a slogan for it: "One gold is worth a thousand silver."...'

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121856271893833843.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

AE:

To "Canadian Perspective":
I'm in the States right now and was present earlier when a Japanese swimmer was so impressive that everyone in the bar was rooting for him. He was the best and Americans seem to appreciate that. ...which relates to this thread since it is the opposite of Vanilla Ice or Milli Vanilli, which in my perception they don't like--fakes known to be fakes are different, as in movies with special effects and so on. China on the other hand...have you ever been on a Chinese college campus after a major national exam? The cheatsheets are blowin' in the wind like leaves in the fall. They swirl in dust-devils and gather in the eaves of buildings and behind bushes. And before the exam the copy shops are crowded with people having the answer pages shrink-copied. ...of course, we would all do the same if our futures rested on how well we could remember quotes from Lenin and Marx.

***
Mjkluio1 asked why we believe the western news and don't know the names of Chinese news agencies. We don't know the names of Chinese agencies for several reasons. First, we don't trust their motives enough to bother to learn about them. Second, the west is empowered to ignore. The second reason makes you angry, and probably should. But the first is reasonable. Isn't it? Pause. Try to listen to someone else's point of view. The first reason also is the same reason that we sometimes trust western news sources to some extent. In fact, the extent to which we trust any source of information often has a great deal to do with our best empirical and reasoned guess about the motives of the speaker. The real question is, why do you trust Chinese news? But that question is deeper and has no answer that is not a biography of your entire life and a history of the past thousand years.
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Mlak's response to Chris is right on the money. However, Somebody/Nobody's response to that brings in the added analysis of the guest/host realtionship (visitors should respect China as host) and calls Chris ignorant. Calling him ignorant only reveals you so. And the guest/host issue would not be so charged for Chinese if they weren't so hyper-sensitive about their sovereignty and status. The US and Australia, to take two ready examples, allow all sorts, even when they step on toes. The fact is that Mlak was generous to compare you to India, whose people generally do not worry too much over most of this and so are consumate hosts. But then Indians never had a cultural revolution and so retained the threads of their own past glories. China's panic is rather to be received well, as if they were the guests, and is entirely self-centered and insofar as they obsess inward, they are lost on the international stage.
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To "Its a Cesspool": "Until we improve OUR OWN standing within the World, no one is going to give a rats ass about what we Americans think"
The world is divided right now into pro-/anti- American, in the absence of another enemy. It is indeed possible that one of the things happening here in this forum is that we're all testing out the identification of China as a replacement enemy. And if so, we should cool it. ...but the specifics of Chinese insecurities, which you term ideosyncratic, are remarkable and they play out in the oppression of their colonial holdings as well as themselves. Is this the kind of country we want to be in bed with? Is this the kind of country we want to celebrate on the international stage? Someone suggested earlier that I speak to some older Tibetans. I have spoken to many older Tibetans (within "China"). They sit and they name individuals they once knew and describe them and their lives and habits then tell you how they died in the Cultural Revolution. One after the other, horrible death after horrible death. They tell you how, even now, the government is reducing the number of monks allowed in each monestery each year, but improving the roads so tourists can access those monesteries, turning their holy places into tourist traps run by foreigners (the Chinese), and they tell of random beatings and corrupt imprisonments.
So, Cesspool, images count. This year school teachers all over the Plateau were imprisoned for refusing to sign the paper which says they hate the DL and love China. The act of image-creation was refused. What should we do from outside China?
***
Annonymous is quite right about how far China has to go. Militarily also. Many countries have gotten high on themselves while watching the US news report US fears. All that reveals is that the US calls the tune. (and no, I'm not wishing for the US to go unchallenged. MOre the opposite, afraid of the behemoth that is the US military/economy). In this case, a horribly visible self-delusion is going on--the whole world can see what China thinks of itself. Brazil was bashed in this thread, but Brazil gets much respect internationally for many things, culture among them, that which China is obviously missing. Brazilians as people get respect. They know who they are.

Anomalous:

Confucius once said "Better a diamond with an imperfection than a pebble without."

Anonymous:

没事找茬

PL:

I really don't think the Chinese invented "image engineering". Both totalitarian and democratic governments, as well as corporations, have been doing it since time began. Trouble starts when people start believing it.

And to the Chinese apologists :

Yes China's past 100-150 years of history has been written in blood, from the Opium War to Mao Zedong's stupid Cultural Revolution. Don't say that its all of the Westerner's fault, however. If the Chinese got their act together after WWII and started thinking about the country instead of themselves, they wouldn't be electing Communist idiots. There would be no "Great Leap Forward", "Cultural Revolution", "Gang of Four", and other myriad of mistakes Mao Zedong has decided to make while depleting China's remaining power. The Chinese wouldn't be feeling "bai nian guo chi". Be happy that the Dragon is rising again after almost 50 years of hiatus.

Stop trying to prove that somehow China's strength will overpower others. China's strength has always been about taking care of its own citizens and uniting as a single country. As long as the Chinese slowly evolves into a Singaporean Democracy, China will continue to grow strong. Start stirring dissent however, and China may yet lose another Mandate of Heaven. I am sure the Chinese do not want to remember another "bai nian guo chi"

English do you speak it?:

And for those people who are trying to justify American educational superiority, please stop. You can't even spell proper English with online spellcheck, how can you even convince others of your intellectual heft?

its a cesspool down here:

Hey guys, way to show how mature the Americans are to China's idiosyncrasies. Given that the USA has lip synched hundreds of events, I don't see why we are jumping the gun on the Chinese doing it. Instead of trying to call the other guys "uncivilized", "barbaric", "undemocratic", blah blah blah blah, maybe we should just chill out.

Until we improve OUR OWN standing within the World, no one is going to give a rats ass about what we Americans think. So instead on making this forum a real cesspool, try being a little more civilized. I don't like being labeled "stupid", "lazy", "racist", and "brainwashed" by other countries' citizens, so there is no need that we do it to others.

Anonymous:

Some douche-bag said:

"They all did, but all died; and in the end, our government was forced by your alliance governments to sign the debts of nation.

Please stop mention that, because your grandpa generation did damage China greatly that the scars can't never be healed.

And every time Chinese try to forget that piece of history, some idiot westerner lacks eduction would bring up this message to lift the scars, because what your government did never recorded in your History book, and never taught you.

Like nowadays young Japanese never know about the truth of WW2, in Naking alone, Japan military killed 200,000 Chinese, because Japan government refuses to apologize, refuses to teach their people, like your government refuses to tell your 5th graders that how many Native died during the western movements of United States of America in 18 and 19 century.

You may go find it out."


"Like nowadays young Chinese know not that the Tyrant Mao Zedong killed millions more people than the japanese and foreign powers combined. Go teach that to your youth if you think that China is so righteous and sto meddling in the internal affairs of other nations. You have hurt our feelings. You Idiot Chinese who clearly lacks education about your own modern history. You may not go find out though, your government is too insecure to allow this information. You are a joke and so is your pathetic stance on true history.

Cirque:

'The Olympics were a perfect arena for the Nazi propaganda machine, which was unsurpassed at staging elaborate public spectacles and rallies. Choreographed pageantry, record-breaking athletic feats, and warm German hospitality made the 1936 Olympic Games memorable for athletes and spectators. Behind the facade, however, a ruthless dictatorship persecuted its enemies and rearmed for war to acquire new “living space” for the “Aryan master race.”...'

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/olympics.html

Wills:

Hi,hi,hi,guys,ease up!

American media are all show makers.When they tell you their "serious concerns " about "democracy(the word they rape for thousands times every day)",you should be as "serious" as they are-just to make a fuss and have fun!

Don't try to fault American media,which do not represent fairness and justice and only represent the interest of U.S. You Chinese guys put your belief on a wrong venue. You should trust yourselves and your country and do not give a hoot what others talk in their own turf.

Plus,be aware of "Free Tibet" terrorists here. They are pretending to be White House spokesman.

mjkluio1:

To FATE:
DO you know how the sentence"问候你老母"spoken in English??I guess you must do not know!!

Poor child!!!

Many Chinese people not only collect the information from their own national media, but also collect the news from the foreign media.

For example, we knew the major U.S. medias were "CNN, International Herald Tribune, The New York Times, Washington post , Time, Newsweek, etc."
We also knew the major UK media such as "BBC, The independent, Telegraph and so on!!"In addition to reading news, we also read the comments, because these can respond to many people's thoughts!

I wonder how many China's major media do you know?? How many Chinese words can you speak???

I can tell you the truth: some news which about our country are real, but most of them were unreal or exaggerated. Your government and media always claimed that we, the Chinese young people, were brainwashed by Communist Party.

HO HO HO!! In fact the most miserable people are you! Why do you think the matter reported by your country's media must be correct??

Anonymous:

Nazi Perfection

'In order to achieve the perfect "Aryan" race that was desired, more pure and fit citizens needed to be bred, and fewer impure and unfit were wanted. The former was attempted by isolating the quality stock floating around the German population and multiplying it. By creating spa-like camps around Europe, the SS could efficiently help millions of ideal women bring a child into the world.

In the late 1920s to early 30s, before Hitler's influence, the Germans first gained their interest in eugenics. They started sterilizing prison inmates and patients of mental institutes, following the American's lead. But their sterilization practices became much more severe. A slight competition even formed between the United States and Germany...'

http://library.thinkquest.org/27648/cgi-bin/ais.cgi?display=html&type=html&page=5

Canadian perspective on US obsessions:

"I've been watching the Olympic games the last few nights. The swimming is just fascinating.

Last night, I watched women gymnastics from NBC. I didn't know the name of the commentator, but he was obnoxious. He wanted the US team to win over China, the specialist in this category. When it's China's turn on the balance beam, he was only able to name two of the three women athletes, and he called the third woman 'the little one'! Shame on him, he doesn't qualify to be the commentator of such a world-class event if he can't even name the athletes.

He was so eager for China to make mistakes so that the US might get the gold, he purposely picked on the Chinese team. His description of the Chinese team was derogatory, calling the athletes nervous, inexperienced in international events, and having self-doubts or lack of confidence. Worse still, when someone smiled after making a mistake, he said he didn't like it. Who is he to like or not like the facial expression of a world-class athlete? He sounds psychotic to me.

When the US athletes made mistakes, he justified them with ankle wounds or the like. The US atheltes looked nervous too, who wouldn't in the Olympics. That guy would still say they looked so confident. I'm surprised NBC chose this commentator for an event of this level.

One final note, the Chinese women gymnasts are fantastic. They are very young women, and relatively small-built. Yet they have carried the weight of a nation's pride on their young shoulders."

Adrasteia:

Isn't it kind of strange? When Americans put a girl in front of an audience because she is cute, half-dressed, and marginally talented, but they do it for money, that's called Capitalism.

When the Chinese do it because it's in the interest of the state everyone gasps in horror.

Anonymous:

American people are friendly easy-going, but not American media and their government always put their class-struggle face with American-style propaganda, just a little better than our Chinese government. American media always screams loudest in the world, it is like their porn, fake lip-synch and never shuts up to let the world know that they can be loud. B~

Wills:

Investigation report from FBI:

Many commenters here are fakery.lol.They are Tibetan in exile and pretend to be American. They have been trying to pit American against Chinese.

Node:

The Olympic Openning Ceremony is so wonderful.I doubt faultfinders' IQ here. They are miserable group.Too bad. Miserable!!

Fate:

Anonymous wrote: "If the passport does not prove for truth, then what else?"

Maybe the baby teeth that have fallen out? Maybe Chinese web sites that had previously given their age as 2 years younger than the official passports (see below)?

Anonymous wrote: "American Media:)

Better than Chinese censored "media".

Anonymous wrote: "Then who you are, how you prove to anyone who are you, how old are you, and what nationality you are?"

Ok, lets try this...
何可欣 is the name of He Kexin in Chinese. She is listed officially as 16 years of age, born January 1'st 1992. This website shows an old official government record of He Kexin with the birth date: January 1'st 1994. This is a cached version of the page (before it was changed recently):
http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=52199

Anonymous wrote: "Are you on drug?

No, but I understand opium is a specialty in China!

Anonymous wrote: "So next time, I change my Chinese passport, I must get a approval check from American media and government?:)"

Maybe just tell the truth. As we say in America, the truth will set you free.

Anonymous wrote: "You shameless American!:)"

Shameless when exposing official corruption, here in America or there in China. Corruption and lying do not belong in any government. If you expect China to get far using these tactics, well, just remember this is how the Soviets used to act, and they did not get very far, did they?


Wills:

Most commenters here are fakery.lol

They are Tibetan in exile and pretend to be American. They have been trying to pit American against Chinese.

Bill:

I actually wonder whether the show designers really understand Chinese culture or not.

The final torch lighting act was suppose to represent the story of an old man chasing the sun.

However, the story was wasted effort, an exercise of futility. Is that what the OG in Beijing is all about ?

The Fou is actually a food container, like a bowl. It is not a musical instrument at all. And certainly no drum.

Since majority of the performers are members of the PLA. I am not surprised that the show was performed with military precision.

Bill:

"Many Chinese people are probably better educated than a lot of people here."

Did you mean "better schooled". Educated is quite different. And many of us knows Chinese too, but that does not make us better educated.

Bruce:

I has just been revealed that the Fou Drummers were also a flawless execution of computer generated fakery. They did not chant and drum in unison, it was an utter sham.

Bill:

Let's face it. This OC is the best demonstration of Chinese culture and character. How else can you put a finger on how important beauty is over honesty. This is the core Chinese value that the world needs to know. The Politburo must think that is a very very important message to the international community about China, that everyone really need to know about the real China. And we should all appreciate that effort.

Being fake is glorious. Almost as good as being rich.

Anonymous:

"I thought this kid could really eat bitterness," Long Guanwu told the Chinese press of the yearly visits. "I thought this was good for him."

Such is the life of a Chinese Olympic athlete, for whom eating bitterness is as vital to success as exercise and stretching.

China's sporting factory begins with scouts scouring the nation for potential talent such as Yang.

After testing to determine their physical characteristics, they are funnelled into specialised training at elite sports schools from as young as 10 years of age.

Sporting factories, yet no life.

Anonymous:

China crashed out of the men's football tournament after losing 3-0 to Brazil

Enough said. You do realize that in most countries training for sports is optional or a pass time, not their whole life. Very few countries have sports factories that take thousands of children from their parents to train for "the motherland." Why would Brazilians care at all about Weightlifting, Badmantin, pingpong, diving????? China just wants gold medals and spent the last 7 years training hundreads of thousands of people and spent a lot of money doing it, in order to get 600 people to send to the Olympics. Talk about time and money well waisted.

Anonymous:

"Does anyone know how Brazil performed?
-------Gold--Silver--Bronze
Brazil--0------0-------3

Losers! 3 Third place!:"

I wonder what kind of promises (lies) China will have to make to convinse FIFA to allow them to host a World Cup of soccer, the true largest sporting event on earth? FIFA is a lot different organization than the IOC. There goes China's chance at the 2018 (go Portugal/Spain) and 2022 (go USA). Plus China would be better off playing its women's team instead of it men if they ever make it to the World Cup.

mjkluio1:

Please read the article on "Newsweek",the wabpage is "http://www.newsweek.com/id/151730#",
the title is that"Rise of The Sea Turtles----
China's most modern citizens aren't drawing it any closer to the West."

Many Chinese said that They like the American people, but don't like the United States Government and theirs news media!!
==================================================
That's why???Who can tell me??

Anonymous:

"Does anyone know how Brazil performed?
-------Gold--Silver--Bronze
Brazil--0------0-------3

Losers! 3 Third place!:"

Five world cups of Soccer. Has China ever even qualified? Olympics, please. If China represents 20% of the worlds population, then we expect 20% of the Olympic medals. So China should get about 100 medals every time. Last time I looked they only got about 70 last time. That is what billions spent on sports gets you, money well waisted for an event that will be forgotten two weeks after it is done, if that. World Cup of Soccer is the largest sporting event in the world, then the summer olympics, then the Euro cup. Proven fact.

Anonymous:

"Brazil football sucks!

I gonna throw away all my Brazil jersey.
And from now on, I cheer for Argentina Messi!
To kick Brazil's proud ignorant butt!

Bye bye Samba, it is Tango time!'

Please do. Why would you have Brazil jerseis? Why not a China jersey? hahaha. At least Brazil will get a World cup. After all the lies China said to get the Olymics I doubt China will get a World Cup, at least for the next 30 years. South Africa, yes, Korea/Japan yes, most likely Portugal/Spain, but no China World Cup. Hahahaha.

Better start, Argentina may not be around for ever.

Anonymous:

Does anyone know how Brazil performed?
-------Gold--Silver--Bronze
Brazil--0------0-------3

Losers! 3 Third place!:)

Anonymous:

Brazil football sucks!

I gonna throw away all my Brazil jersey.
And from now on, I cheer for Argentina Messi!
To kick Brazil's proud ignorant butt!

Bye bye Samba, it is Tango time!

Elisa:

Why couldn't they have found, say, a popular Chinese singer to sing the national anthem? Or a student from a conservatory? (There was one who sang with Sarah Brightman!) Did it have to be a young girl?!

Anonymous:

To Fate:

If the passport does not prove for truth, then whatelse?

American Media:)

Then who you are, how you prove to anyone who are you, how old are you, and what nationality you are?

Are you on drug?

So next time, I change my Chinese passport, I must get a approval check from American media and government?:)

You shameless American!:)

Anonymous:

"Not only you are jerious, you are actully scared that China will replace US to be the number one nation in no time."

Not sure what jerious is? Number one nation in no time, please. Like Japan did, or USSR, or Germany. Funny thing, do you have any idea how much farther China needs to go???? Any idea. Economically speaking, China would have to grow to four times its current economic output and that is without the US growing one bit. In per capita terms and that per peson terms China would have to grow to more than 10 times its current economic output. Considering the slow down, the lack of resources, environmental concerns, manufacturing shifting, possible political issolation, foreign investment, etc... Not likely. Keep dreaming.

Anonymous:

"Your country was last one on the list. Maybe your country killed less Chinese, or host nation entered the last? You need to ask your government."

I am not American, period. Unless Brazil is on that list, nope, not their.

Somebody/Nobody:

To dd,

What the school yard fight got to do with it? All I know is that Chinese government and their citizens present a best ever Olympic opening ceremony. Instead enjoy the show, and give them some applause. You bashing-China suckers try to find a way to criticize us. Not only you are jerious, you are actully scared that China will replace US to be the number one nation in no time.

Anonymous:

To Anonymous,

Oh, your government was in it.

The Eight-Nation Alliance (simplified Chinese: 八国联军; traditional Chinese: 八國聯軍; pinyin: bāgúo liánjūn) was an alliance of 8 nations (Austria-Hungary, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States) which put down the Boxer Rebellion in China in 1900. The troops looted the capital and thousands of citizens died during the campaign.
From Wikipedia

Your country was last one on the list. Maybe your country killed less Chinese, or host nation entered the last? You need to ask your government.

or read it yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance

Anonymous:

To Anonymous,

---At least they have breasts and can read beyond a grade four level. Can not say the same thing about the Chinese gymnasts. And about eduacation.---

See, again. You don't know about Chinese:)
Chinese women mature after 20,
you rarely see Chinese woman with large breasts, I don't know what's the American standard:)

And I am sure those Chinese gymnast are trained better than Americans, and educated better than Americans, maybe some on this post arguing in English, but compare to Americans, look with a moderate fat shape is everything for the American market, maybe your athletes did too much advertising and parties, and they did not have time to train.

And in the end, your public and media going to dish dirts all on the poor girls like the way Americans people dished Britney Spear your ex-teen idol, that is part of American culture. All those young girl and young ladies, first you don't train them, you spoil them; then you dish them like they are an old w-h-o-r-e. Very American!

I am sure your freedom speech media would not let your young gymnasts go easily. Let's see.

Anonymous:

"They all did, but all died; and in the end, our government was forced by your alliance governments to sign the debts of nation.

Please stop mention that, because your grandpa generation did damage China greatly that the scars can't never be healed.

And every time Chinese try to forget that piece of history, some idiot westerner lacks eduction would bring up this message to lift the scars, because what your government did never recorded in your History book, and never taught you.

Like nowadays young Japanese never know about the truth of WW2, in Naking alone, Japan military killed 200,000 Chinese, because Japan government refuses to apologize, refuses to teach their people, like your government refuses to tell your 5th graders that how many Native died during the western movements of United States of America in 18 and 19 century.

You may go find it out."

My governement was not part of the 8 nations, period and yes I know the 8 nations (US, UK, Germany, Russia, France, Italy, Spain, Japan) None of those are my nation or granfather. I also remember something about a the boxxer revalution. Maybe that is why so many holes.

Do you know how many Indians were killed? Spain killed approx 100 million in South and Central America and I believe the US, UK and France killed approx 10 million. It is not that people do not know, it is that it no longer matters to most. It is taught, go get a grade school history book from the west.

Appologize, that is funny. It is not like you would accept any appology? Appologies have been made in the past and China just pulls the not good enough card, so why will anyone bother anymore. If you want to feel bad and angree about what did not happen to you or most likely not even your grandparents, then good luck with that because your excusses have gotten tiring a long time ago.

Ken Davis:


jkoch wrote "Will Asian or African viewers believe it is by pure coincidence that nearly the entire US girl gymnastic squad is blond, while most of the boxers are dark?"

The difference in race/ethnicity is a correlative, not causal factor in the team makeup. The fact is that paying for gymnastic lessons, travel and equipment in the US is a very expensive endeavor. The US does not have a system of national sport academies, like other countries, so money is a large determinant of who gets an opportunity.

Most of the socio-economic class in the U.S with the income to train at high-level gymnastics are white. Boxing does not require anywhere near the financial commitment in terms of equipment hence a lower socio-economic class can participate. Much of the members of this class are minorities or non-whites. Why that is can be debated elsewhere but for you to insinuate that US teams are picked by race/ethnicity shows a profound lack of knowledge about the selection process.


Fate:

Anonymous,

First of all it was *you* who said the Chinese gymnasts were 14:

From Anonymous at August 13, 2008 1:01 PM:
"Why our 14 yrs kids could do better than your regular athletes? Don't your athletes have practiced more years than our 14 yrs kids?"

Add to that the following articles which agree with you that they are 14 and I have to suspect that the Chinese passports which say they are 16 just might not be correct. But hey, whatever makes the Chairman look good, right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/sports/olympics/27gymnasts.html

http://sports.aol.ca/article/age-of-3rd-chinese-gymnast-in-doubt/300267/

Anonymous:

"Please explain how the hell Chinese Immigrant Students are top score students in US school, and they don't even speak perfect English?"

What about Indian students and other immigrant students. The reason is, they are not balanced people. They study 4+ hours a day and have no ability to socialize or adapt to situations that are not study related, period. If they do not succeed, they go postal on everyone. There has been more than a few situations in North America involving Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans related to failure and what they do when they crack under the pressure. And you talk about fat. Last few times I went to China, they are getting fat very, very fat. At least westerners have shape.

Anonymous:

To Anonymous,

---Like China has not been anti-west, anti-american, or anti-foreigner longer than anyone has been alive.---

Some did, but died under Eight Nations Alliance, remember, while you are in Beijing, go to Yuan Ming Yuan, the Imperial Garden, see the marks the the bullet holes, count how many pillar of the palace still stood, look at the vast grass fill land, then you know how a Chinese feels when a westerner keeps reminding us like you:

---Like China has not been anti-west, anti-american, or anti-foreigner longer than anyone has been alive.---

They all did, but all died; and in the end, our government was forced by your alliance governments to sign the debts of nation.

Please stop mention that, because your grandpa generation did damage China greatly that the scars can't never be healed.

And every time Chinese try to forget that piece of history, some idiot westerner lacks eduction would bring up this message to lift the scars, because what your government did never recorded in your History book, and never taught you.

Like nowadays young Japanese never know about the truth of WW2, in Naking alone, Japan military killed 200,000 Chinese, because Japan government refuses to apologize, refuses to teach their people, like your government refuses to tell your 5th graders that how many Native died during the western movements of United States of America in 18 and 19 century.

You may go find it out.

And every time, some Chinese speak out, that your people say that is a Chinese official doing propaganda, but American history book is very different from other countries' of the world.

Read more.

Somebody/Nobody:

To MLaks,

well said. I applause you. My English is not good enough to write such a nice essay.
I just want make one more point. Chris's Chinese colleagues feel they are the host, and Chris is their guest. They wouldn't let their guest to pay for the meal. But Chris thinks they do that to save face. How ignorance.

Anonymous:

"Just look at those gymnastic athletes from every country all over the world, Americans are the biggest, fattest, most unprofessional for what they do. Your current ranks are lucky."

At least they have breasts and can read beyond a grade four level. Can not say the same thing about the Chinese gymnasts. And about eduacation. In the west, it is key to be well rounded individuals, not just math students or science students. I have met many of these chinese foreign students, talk about one demensional.

Anonymous:

To dd:

---I guess you have'nt been in a school yard fight. It toughens you up---

I don't want to get into a shool yard fight, especially in US, those kids are allowed to bring guns to express their individual belief on others' tragedy. It does not toughen people, but kills people.

Anonymous:

To Fate,

---The Olympics requires they be 16 years old or older. Are they? Younger atheletes, being smaller, have an advantage, so if I was the appropriate age, and I saw my opponents being too young, and that cost me a gold medal, I think I would be within my rights to be a little upset.

So how old are those gymnasts and if they are younger than 16, what does that say about the Chinese as a people? Maybe the same thing having a pretty little girl lip sync a song says?---

It is too bad your country cannot find a child to compete huh?

Their passports say 16. Even IOC states that and proves they are 16, whatever or how old they look like to American is not important.

You guys cannot even tell the difference of Japanese and Chinese, and Korean and Mongolian, how the hell you making a rumor for your gym athletes that they can't even get on the balance beam, they can even stand on the floor exercise, and non of them can perform within the boundary lines,

so you blame on the age and look of Chinese?:)
I am a Chinese, and last I cheered for USA female gymnasts, but what can I and you do if they cannot perform as they trained for their whole life.

And don't blame on Chinese's weight, because they are light; we Chinese did not stuff fat Americans with our ice cream.

If American gymnasts want to win, start early, work harder, eat less, lose the weight, stop pointing others for your own weight and lazy issues.

If you want someone to f you on Friday night, put on make up, dress sex, look young, gosh.

Your athletes have whole life time to train, and they fell on the simple routines, don't blame on others for your own fault.

And if you ever watched last night competition, if Americans did not make those mistakes, you properly win the gold metal, but they fell and step all over the places, that is why Chinese win.

Your laziness and indiscipline of daily life ruined your game, stop blame on others.

Please explain how the hell Chinese Immigrant Students are top score students in US school, and they don't even speak perfect English?

Is it because they are younger? their look? or their discipline and hard works?

Your American culture only can teach your kids to have protected sex, and act, and hold others for your own weakness, never lose weight and won't allow others to say 'fat', your kids have too much freedom and party for whole life, beside sing rock and dance rap, whatelse American kids can do?

Stop blame others for your own weakness? You will never improve that way.

Just look at those gymnastic athletes from every country all over the world, Americans are the biggest, fattest, most unprofessional for what they do. Your current ranks are lucky.

You people even change human average weight for healthy standard, like your Dr. Phil, who is 250lb and shameless speaks that his weight is standard, and helping others to loose, his standard is fat standard, if your athlete ever work hard they would will compete better in a lighter weight, I can not believe I even cheered for them.

Shame!

dd:

"Somebody/Nobody:
ANNOYMOUS, I love you. You are so right on this issue. The western is so jealous of China's successful Olympic opening performance. They would try anything to discredit China's reputation"

I would not call it jealousy. I think it is a certain form of disdain.

However, I do beleive a lot of Chinese who seem to write here have a complex and try to make up for it. We call it the small man syndrome. You are trying to "save face" all the time.
I guess you have'nt been in a school yard fight. It toughens you up

Anonymous:

The most laughable complain by pro-china bloggers is that everyone is anti-china or bias. Like they are not bias, please. Like China has not been anti-west, anti-american, or anti-foreigner longer than anyone has been alive. The por-china bloggers just hate the fact we are taking the opposite view then what is being promoted in China, period. Can not handle critisism, then go home to moma.

MLaks:

This is in response to a August 12, 2008 11:46 PM posting by Chris that starts with, "I'm an American living in China teaching English. ...". Chris lays out what he feels is the skewed priorities of the Chinese. I am neither Chinese nor American, but have had significant exposure to many foreign cultures. In a nutshell, I think Chris holds a characteristic knee jerk opinion that forms when someone spends a relatively short time with minimal exposure in a very foreign land.

I was born and brought up in India and moved to the USA almost 2 decades ago. In my time, I have had the opportunity to spend time with the Chinese (and other oriental folks), Europeans, Africans, South Americans etc. My own reading of Chinese is that they have all the positives and negatives of the eastern culture. Its eerie to see Chris' beef with the way the Chinese pay for food or about the guy not introducing his wife because that can be repeated ditto for Indians (from India). Wanting to pay for someone else's food is not indicative of the Chinese's quest for status. God No. Its just an innocent extension of group eating culture that is supposed to engender further friendship. And not introducing his wife to an American is not indicative of male chauvinism - rather it is indicative of a relatively greater separation of the sexes than in western cultures (again common across the board in non-western cultures). Think about it. Would that Chinese man's wife introduce her husband to you if she was your co-worker and not him? Most likely not. It takes a skewed America-centric world view to misinterpret symbolic differences as done by Chris. I am not saying there aren't differences. Indeed there are. And male chauvinism is indeed greater in China as it is in most non-western world.

Here is a slightly different take on your incident. When you presumed to introduce yourself to his wife, I am sure you told yourself you are doing the Chinese guy's wife a favor ("See, even if your husband didn't introduce you, I'll do you the courtesy!"). But you'd be wrong . She probably didn't mind a bit that she wasn't introduced, because she wouldn't either. And it wasn't no courtesy - not in China. If anything the Chinese guy would have felt a bit offended by your presumptuousness. See, there is a bell curve in China as there is everywhere else. There are very westernized Chinese and very Chinese Chinese. But to the extent we are talking about the average of this spectrum, I think Chris is a betraying an inclination to form knee jerk opinions to fit a pre-conceived narrative - characteristic of inexperienced foreigners in a foreign land.

I do not mean this as a criticism of Chris. I too kept fitting all my incidents in the US within a familiar/stereotyped narrative of 'the American" during my early years before truly opening my mind. If Chris were to spend twice as much time as he already as in China, he'd be surprised how much he can appreciate the nuances of Chinese way of life instead of fitting everything to a familiar western narrative of China. I can't tell you how much my opinion of the USA has changed (in the positive direction) from when I was just a few years here to now (about 2 decades after moving to the USA). It literally takes a long long time to really figure out what makes a people tick. Especially if its a culture far removed from the one you grew up in. I had many knee jerk opinions of Americans myself (the standard stuff - gun toting, no family values, and the like). And boy, have my opinions changed. And it is not like I feel we are all the same. Certainly not. There are major differences between the average of American and Indian (or for that matter, Chinese) bell curves. But now, I do not see those differences as any one having poor priorities, but rather priorities that are better optimized to each's history/locality.

So Chris, take it easy with what you see in China. And try not to assume you have hit upon some major insight about the Chinese at every 'strange' incident that occurs to you. You may learn to appreciate those folks. Like I have learnt to appreciate your folks here in the USA.

MLaks.

awefafoiajg:

Ho Ho Ho,in fact I Like the Chinese show!!!

Alan:

Members from the Politburo might be too obsessed with producing an extravaganza to be civilised enough in respecting the right of an individual. What really bothered me was that Chen Qigang, with his education background, should be knowledgeable enough to figure out the absurdity of using the "national interest" as an excuse of being not fair to Yang Peiyi.

Authoritative leaders will neither lie nor be held accountable to those who do not have a say in giving them the power. But the latter are highly likely to do whatever necessary to please the former in order to get the recognition from them for obvious reasons, i.e. rewards. This does not do any good to China.

Admittedly, China is often misunderstood by outsiders, especially from the Western countries. But it does not warrant compromising with our respect to integrity, which is also a part of the Chinese value system.

Anonymous:

"All that talk about being a great and powerful country, and so much whining. Seems a little inconsistent to me."

Great at producing babies (waite, the abort a lot of them) and whiners. The people have always been under someones boot and still are, plain and simple. Except, for the last 700 years, that boot was not chinese until the last 60 years. You know one thing the Chinese government learnt well from foreign occupation, that it is easy to surpress chinese people. Kill their only child, give them a few thousand dollars to shut them up, if that does not work, threaten them with jail, if nothing them, just flood the area with police, if still nothing, then just make them disapear. It is VERY SAD how easy it is for the Chinese government to convince/pay their own people to surpress one another. Effectively that is what you have. It is one thing to have a history of surpressing other cultures (European powers), but it takes a really CLASSY culture when tens of millions due it to their own people and the rest just take it in the a** with a smile.

Grown Up:

Johnson's post is funny. Funny because it is true. The Chinese whine like children everytime they perceive a slight to their country. They also attempt to point out America's failures from decades ago to justify their own malfeasance. All that talk about being a great and powerful country, and so much whining. Seems a little inconsistent to me.

Johnson:

I love how all these Chines, obvious surrogates of their governments, highjack the Washington Post to boast about the greatness of their country. A country where they cannot even post these views. Really, it is ridiculous. So is China.

Anonymous:

The point is not that the girl lip syncid or the fireworks were computer generated. The issue is that people feel that those things are coverred up. It is the difference between a "live performance" or a "live Show" This was a live show, nothing more, but was passed off as a live performance. That is the lie and that would harm any entertainer, anywhere. It happens often. There is a difference. A live performance means the entertainer performed live, singing and all. A live show is that the entertained was their live to put on a show, not a performance.

jkoch:

Good looks aid commercial or career success in the US too. Imagine a US company that featured plain or homely people in its ads for cosmetics, food, cars, or vacation destinations. What TV station will pick a Homer or Marge Simpson as their news anchor? China is not a bit different: to sell the China brand, show the country at its best. As for lip-sync music, that is older than Hollywood and a staple of many screen, and even "live," performances. Other social gradients also drive appearances. Will Asian or African viewers believe it is by pure coincidence that nearly the entire US girl gymnastic squad is blond, while most of the boxers are dark?

FROG1:

The implication of this (and similar) article (s) is that the choice of the performance designers to match a beautiful face with a beautiful voice was a focus on appearance.

Would people have been happier if the child chosen was the one with the generally perceived lovely voice and less lovely face or would they rather have seen the generally perceived lovely face and less lovely voice? Or ... would they have preferred a random child pulled out of the crowd and no criteria?

The committee wanted to produce the "perfect" performance. To them that meant perfect for all of the senses. So they chose the components that would produce the "perfect" audio-visual effect. By all of the initial comments, the effect was near perfect. It seems people are upset that no credit was apparently given. Would it have been better if they ran credits after each performance?

In our daily lives, we only see the outward performers of any such activity. Nowhere do I see that people were upset because a certain set of performers were wearing costumes, made by others ... dancing choreography, created by others ... singing songs, written by others. Nearly every performance we see is only the surface of what went into it. We don't cry foul, everytime someone makes beautiful music using someone else's instrument. So, people feel tricked. So, they assumed that it was her singing and it wasn't. You can reasonably react to feeling tricked when you pay money to see a particular performer, billed to perform live, and they lip-sync; you shouldn't react that way anywhere else. After all, we regularly listen to the radio, where most music is modified, in the studio, to be more "perfect" and no one seems bothered by that. That is, until they hear a performer live who can't measure up to the electronically enhanced version of themselves. Then everyone thinks they're awful. How shallow is that? About as shallow as thinking that someone isn't pretty enough without make-up and air-brushing.

The point is, they tried to create a multi-media performance using all of the assets at their countries disposal ... and they did ... and it was stellar and stunning, in the full sense of the words.

I submit that you should have brought up the question of whether or not people (primarily Americans) would be as upset if they had originally chosen Miss Miaoke to do the part but, after discovering her voice wasn't so pretty, made her lip sync and had another girl with a prettier voice, sing in her place? After all, that would be just as appearance based, just aurally instead of visually.

Cali-Snowboarder:

This is a non-issue and a boring story. Think about it: every world-class sporting event uses lip-syncing these days. Hell, we Americans embrace a lip-sync'ed national anthem every January, on Super Bowl Sunday. This has nothing to do with being Chinese.

Fate:

Anonymous wrote: "It is so funny that when you are criticising China for its requirement of height and looks, your country's own gymnasts are mocking Chinese athletes just because they are comparatively short. They call them "little babies" and have a good laugh about it."

I think they are not criticizing their size but are criticizing their age. Just how old are the Chinese "women" gymnasts anyway?

The Olympics requires they be 16 years old or older. Are they? Younger atheletes, being smaller, have an advantage, so if I was the appropriate age, and I saw my opponents being too young, and that cost me a gold medal, I think I would be within my rights to be a little upset.

So how old are those gymnasts and if they are younger than 16, what does that say about the Chinese as a people? Maybe the same thing having a pretty little girl lip sync a song says?


Anonymous:

Dear Fate:
Have you ever been to China? If not, how dare you utter such crap?

Fate:

Qrs wrote: "Chinese job applications also routinely require color photos (passport-sived) of the applicant. Not sure why. Ahem."

That use to be required by most companies in the USA back in the 1960s. During the civil rights era that was removed as a requirement because of the obviously discrimination that comes from it. America is better off today as a result. Hopefully China will see that repression and discrimination is not the path to an equal society, if that is their goal.

Anonymous:

It is so funny that when you are criticising China for its requirement of height and looks, your country's own gymnasts are mocking Chinese athletes just because they are comparatively short. They call them "little babies" and have a good laugh about it.
Who is the unbiased judge? If it is not Chinese, definitely, it will not be the Americans.

Fate:

Anonymous wrote: "I find his [Joseph-USA] speech does much harm than calling "fire" in theater. He was like Ben Ladden calling all Muslim to kill American."

He was calling for struggle to free Tibet from China. He called for methods I don't agree with. But he was not giving orders to anyone. He was expressing an opinion. There are people in jail in China for expressing opinions. Americans find that terrible, even if they do not agree with the opinion. Once you start silencing people for their thoughts, your society loses its civility, its human rights, and the state becomes more important than the people. I thought China was called the "People's Republic" but it acts like the "Communist Party's Republic".

Grow up and accept differing opinions and stop acting like children, running to your government everytime someone calls you a name. Protecting yourself from the different opinions of others through censorship and worse shows immaturity and lack of confidence. China should be better than that.

anonymous:

Well you know China produces a lot of fake product, so I am not surprise

Qrs:

Chinese job applications also routinely require color photos (passport-sived) of the applicant. Not sure why. Ahem.

JBE:

Perfection in the eyes of the "Standing Committee" would be a beautiful voice from a beautiful face.

Instead they went with lies. They lied and lip synched. They lied and snuck in computer generated fireworks - and they are PROUD of it!

These little lies hurt nobody except the Chinese government by bringing embarrasment and shame onto its honorable citizens.

China's communist government shines the bright light on the facade of progress but those lights are reflecting off of the pollution they pumped into the air in the process. Air so thick it hides the homeless who's houses were bulldozed for the bird's nest stadium.

Everyone loses when somene tells a lie.

The chinese people are ready for the world stage - their government is not.

Krishna Nandigama:

Dear Sir:
It is outrageous to discriminate a young girl, Yang Peiyi, based on physical features while adoring her voice. This is a deplorable attitude of a closed society like China and the people who supervised this inhuman act.

Higmeister:

Doesn't the West do the same? I live a healthy lifestyle and take of myself, but no exercise can make me taller than my 5' 4" male self. Studies show that in elections the taller candidate usually is succesful. What society considers attractive is also considered as "better"; that's what is a continuous flaw of our species. Like the weather all we can do is complain....

Fate:

nonymous wrote: "What happened on floor exercise of American team, nerve or lack of practice and discipline? Why our 14 yrs kids could do better than your regular athletes? Don't your athletes have practiced more years than our 14 yrs kids?"

Do you realize that the minimum age to participate in the Olympics is 16 years old? If your "atheletes" are 14 then they should not be there. Some would call that cheating. I really do not care what age they are. They are obviously talanted and fun to watch. But who made the decision to call 14 year olds 16 year old, and why?

Anonymous:

弄虚作假在CCP自它出世就是一以贯之的习性.

DukeLaw:

I think a lot of the Chinese here are missing the point. Yes, the US has its issues but a number of the issues that Pomfret brought up concerning discrimination and "face", we've addressed (or tried to) in the last 40 years. A number of the posters here are so obsessed with making sure that the Chinese look good that they're looking like American conservatives.

As for the "strange" issue of these gymnasts' passports issued in February of 2008 that contradict on-line registrations of the past 4 years, just use logic. If the Chinese government won't even let their citizens see the on-line rolls for these gymnasts, why would use presume the latest documents are actually accurate?

Anonymous:

To Faith,

An example from Olympics:

What happened on floor exercise of American team, nerve or lack of practice and discipline?

Why our 14 yrs kids could do better than your regular athletes?

Don't your athletes have practiced more years than our 14 yrs kids?

Discipline, stop using age and cheat hat.

American never serious about anything, discipline makes a child grow, Obedience make a group of people united and live in peace.

Both that American cannot have, because freedom of individualism is better than anything. That's way your nation is to the down road. Your boat is leaking, and everyone can't stop arguing.

wasting time only.

Anonymous:

To Fate,

But what Joseph-USA did is calling "killing Chinese is right" and he also introduce others how to kill Chinese by "Using bombs".

I find his speech does much harm than calling "fire" in theater.

He was like Ben Ladden calling all Muslim to kill American.

I don't find they both practice freedom of speech, but actually they are calling for war.

Which is most vicious that he suggest other people the ways to do evil, and his harmful ideas were sent under the protection of freedom of speech.

That is reason, more peoples died and hurt in public place of US every year than any part of the world, because the lack of education of the definition of freedom of speech.

All those schooling killings and tragedy, all involved with the Joseph-USA liked freedom of speech over the internet and paper.

If I hear my son says that vicious things, I'll slap him so he will not do it again, even Bible says the Father strictly discipline his son so he would grow upright.

But US never teach that, only spoil these bad seeds and harboring them to do vicious things to hurt the public in future.

Somebody/Nobody:

---You need to see the fuss my colleagues put up every time I try to pay for a meal here when we're out together. They know, as do I, that my salary is at least twice or three times higher than theirs and sometimes even five times. Yet they feel the need to pretend that they can afford to pay for everyone when we go out. On more than one occasion I've had to sneak away from the table and quietly pay so nobody would see me do it and "lose face."---

To Chris:

You teach English in China for few years, and you think you know Chinese culture. You are so wrong. We Chinese was brought up to be "grugal to self, generous to other". You totally mis-interpret your good nature colleagues. Please do not appoint yourself as an expert in Chinese culture.

Antonio http://suralnorte.blogspot.com:

It reminds me of those want ads in Mexican newspapers: "excelente presentación... universidades públicas abstenerse" (great looks only... public-university graduates not accepted). In Mexico, ugliness is only penalized when it comes along with browness or indigenous-lookingness, for you if you're ugly but blond or ugly but not-so-Mexican-looking like, or ugly but graduated from a private university, you're good to go. Even maids in Mexican soap operas are played by white-looking (bad or mediocre) actresses...

ANTHRAX CASE WATCHER:

The Yank Busterds in the government use the corporations as front line to commit crimes or such obsessions.

Here Halliburton, Black water and Hollywood do this kind of job.

Halliburton steals oil with the help of Blackwater and other criminal companies like ENRON and cover using the companies like DISNEY and others in HOLLYWOOD.

China is just copying the YANKs and doing it well and the yanks are in pangs of jealousy.

simple

"Chinese" language:

"How do you say Milli Vanilli in Chinese?"

"Chinese" is not a language. The major languages in China are Mandarin and Cantonese. I really wish the US media, especially NBC since they are the official Olympics broadcaster, would do some homework and learn a little more about the culture, particularly what language the people speak.

No Different:

They are no different from Americans. We are as obssessed. We're just too self-righteous to admit it.

Independent:


The relative freedom of speech we enjoy in this country is one of our greatest strengths. However, there are justifiably or not limits, beyond what you described, on fredom of speech here. Many colleges have banned hate speech or comments which are blatantly derogatory toward many groups. Many secondary schools are also restricting, justified in my opinion, "freedom of speech" by those students who use very derogatory comments toward others, especially females and gay individuals. Comments by anyone who advocates violence against any individual or group can be censored and/or punished in this country.

The Bush-Cheney administration has often tried to inhibit freedom of speech in this country, especially by claiming criticisms of certain foreign and domestic policies are unpatriotic. This has been successful to some extent, especially several years ago. The Bush administration has also tried to inhibit and intimidate freedom of the press, using the same phony rationale.

Anonymous:

To AE,

---And is Tibet “in his best situation now”? In the first 45 years since Mao, Tibetans lost 45% of their population while 165 million non-Tibetans MOVED IN TO THE TIBETAN PLATEAU.---

Dalai Lama had no right to tell his countrymen not to go to Tibet, and we China do not segregate people by race or color or ethnic in regions.

Chinese have rights to go and dwell anywhere of China.

Your view is idiotic, it is like make US government to enforce a law that no white man or black man should go to Hawaii, because the Hawaiian have different religion and view.

Can US government do that?

How about to protect the minority of Black, so cross-race marriage and production is not allowed to protect the number of African American in US.

Are you that idiot?

Dalai Lama only wants his status and power so he can slave on his Tibetans, as long as people believe his teaching so he could always slave Tibetan, but those Tibetan they have their own rights, they have their rights to choose. But no, they are not allowed, because they will be punished by his monks who are royalty, that's why all these monks are political activists, and cause riots for many years, their religion is not as your understand only the practice of peace, but a political dominate and struggle over 1000 years.

Go ask any old Tibetan that before 1950, who were they belong to, and now they are Chinese, and they enjoy their freedom and rights, and their children no more born as slaves.

These are truth. Why don't you send an email to Dalai about his Religious Slavery System of Tibet before 1950, ask him is it the truth that since birth of every Tibetan is a property of Dalai Lama for every generation.

Let see he would tell you the truth as he preaches on 13.

jp:

What? She was only lip-synching? Next they'll be telling me that the torch lighter wasn't really flying.

Fate:

"And I would not feel bad if the government take their freedom of speech away from them, or even give up my freedom of speech to not to listen any of his evil idea."

Freedom of speech is a hard thing for non-Americans to understand. Charles DeGaul, the president of France once asked President Kennedy how he could run a democracy with a free press. Kennedy responded that he couldn't imagine a democracy without a free press.

You see, once you begin censoring speech there is no stopping it. Where do you draw the line? Speech that causes harm is banned in the US. You cannot yell "FIRE" in a theater because of the expected harm that would happen to those fighting to get out of the theater. You cannot call for the killing of an individual. You cannot incite a riot.

But these are extremes that bring about direct harm, physical harm. The speech that Joseph-USA made is something you may not agree with and may be something you find hurtful. But if you censor it you open up all speech to being censored, and censorship itself is evil. Its like torture. Once you allow it where will it stop? It is a thing that is very hard to control. So in America, short of speech that causes harm, all speech that does not cause harm is free. And though you found Joseph-USA's speech offensive, note that you could respond freely, and in my opinion your argument won out over Joseph's. Free speech allows the free exchange of ideas and for bad or evil ideas like Joseph's to be pointed out and denounced, as you did. Joseph now knows most people do not agree with him, something he may not have known without free speech.

If speech is not free for all, it is not free for anyone. My view of free speech in China is that it is free as long as it does no harm AND does not embarass the Communist Party. If you follow American blogs you will see that American political parties are continually embarassed by the speech of Americans, and political figures are continually made fun of. We find it healthy and keeps our politicians as honest as possible. China might also find it healthy. If something is embarassing and someone points it out, then it might be fixed. Supressing free speech is not the way to deal with things you do not want to face or to handle exaggerated or untruthful speech. You handle it with more free speech.

My guess is that when you are alone with friends you do not censor one another's speech and freely exchange ideas among yourselves. Why is this not a good idea for everyone, and something that is not only a good idea but is something that should be guaranteed as it is here in the US? If free speech is so bad, please explain what harm it has done to the USA besides some people being offended at other people's speech.

We have a saying in the USA: 'I may not agree with what you say but I will fight for your right to say it'. Consider that for a while.

Anonymous:

"Tibet was a part of China for over 1000 years.where was USA in the earth then ?"

China claims 5000 years of unbroken history/culture(The number is ever changing, two years from now it will probably be 6000 years).
If what China is today a product of 5000 years, I can see why you are so insecure. US accomplished what they have in 250 years.

eric in LA:

Friends,
It is clear that China wants to put a beautiful face on it is country. This is no different than any country would do when they are on display for the world. The homeless people of Atlanta were rounded up and carted off in 1996. One small country, in advance of an athletic event, lined up all criminals and shot every 10th one before the world would be watching. if you don't know, i won't tell you. Lets just say that when the world is watching, we put our best foot forward. Our faulting China for this small incident is nit-picking what is with out a doubt, the best Olympic opening ceremony ever, and possibly the best one we may ever see. 15,000 people! What if all of the TAi Chi masters were not really masters? What if some where just dancers or performers? So what. it is entertainment, and we may never see something like that again. Such beauty and pagaentry! in the grand scale of things, does this matter? No. Does it say something about China. Maybe. Does our obsession with it say something about us? Absolutely. China is here. they are growing, and they are going to do it on their terms. if the succeed or fail, it is really up to them to determine. But for right now, they are making up their own rules. they don't have to follow ours

Robert:

A discussion about 1 pretty girl lip syncing to another pretty little girls voice suddenly turns into discussions of genocide, and self flagellation implying that America too is a monster. Whoa, how did we get there from here? I don’t pretend to understand the Chinese psyche, or hell even ours. However beauty is based on surface features. As stupid as this may be, it is the way it is….everywhere. The problem is real beauty, that which is below the surface is not immediately measurable. Anyone who pretends to condemn this natural instinct is lying to themselves. Ask yourself this. The last time you bought a bouquet of flowers, how did you decide which bouquet to purchase. When was the last time you enjoyed viewing a garden of weeds, over a garden of brightly colored flowers. Come on folks, we’re all alike… Like it, or not.

James:

I think deep down, we all know that spectacles such as the opening ceremonies, rock concerts etc. are manufactured. But we have a need to believe that we would not be suckered by something plainly inauthentic... and everything is fine until the cover is blown.

Lipsynching is not the problem. The problem is that we desperately want to believe that entertainment is REAL. This is just one more in a long line of incidents where the truth about the basic phoniness of entertainment poked out through the veneer -- and, in response, the audience for that entertainment reacted with shock and horror. So wait a minute... you're actually SURPRISED that it's fake?

Once you realize that the whole entertainment industry has no purpose but to manipulate you, then you can watch the spectacle with clear eyes and full knowledge of the deception. But if you allow yourself to believe in it as if it were real, then you're the sucker and you have no one to blame but yourself.

I think all the outrage over lipsynching here is rather funny, actually.

Somebody/Nobody:

ANNOYMOUS, I love you. You are so right on this issue. The western is so jealous of China's successful Olympic opening performance. They would try anything to discredit China's reputation. Face it, you bashing-China suckers, you had your chances, now just be quit, and enjoy the game.

MAW:

While there are a few "glimmers" of intelligence posted here, it saddens me to see just how petty some people can be. The Olympics ARE more about see who is "SUPERIOR". All of the other countries who have excellent athletes are guilty of the same things. China is no different than a lot of other countries who strive to make themselves seem better than anyone else. US does the very same thing! We idolize and put up celebrities for our children to emulate and then complain when those same children are drug addicted and promiscious, making headlines every single day with their actions. Celebrities having multiple children out of wedlock and no one saying a word about it SIMPLY because of who they are. It seems to be very easy to "point" the finger at China when they are only "emulating" the "Western" way of life which they have to do in order to be "Accepted"...the old "if you dont act like us, dress like us, spend your money like us...you CANT be with us "mentality". The US really has no business "pointing" their fingers at ANYONE, when all you have to do is to look back you will see every single one of the things that the Chinese are being accused of. People in the US are walking around with "blinders" on and the government is directing them on which direction they should be looking and what they should be looking at. The Chinese have provided a incredible "spectacle" for the consumption of the World and I for one, appreciate their efforts to make this Olympics something that everyone will be hard pressed to ignore. Lip synching and under age participants, only fingers are pointed when "someone else" does it. All of the complaining sounds like a couple of kids on the playground arguing over whose "house" is prettier. The people who are "pointing fingers" should take a good good look in your own house before screaming and hollering about what someone else is doing.

Anonymous:

To org1:

---We, here in the US, are obsessed with perfect appearances too--witness the huge cosmetic surgery industry!---

Not to mention that I just extended my third leg, and I don't even go out often:)

eaglestrk:

Asians are very concerned with keeping face, social status and with aesthetics, so this doesn't surprise me at all.

What the Chinese do is the same for the Japanese, same stuff. All the dirt is swipped under the rug so that visitors can get a different impression. Their own cultural insecurities make them prone not be spontaneous, add a totalitarian regime to the mix and you get an orwellian landscape.

magpie:

Really, the Chinese were just using the lessons in capitalism that they've learned from the U.S.

Remember when Hollywood decided to make a film of "My Fair Lady"? Instead of using Julie Andrews, who had starred in the Broadway play, they wanted the more physically exquisite Audrey Hepburn, who couldn't sing. So Audrey lip-synced to Marnie Nixon's soundtrack.

The movie was, of course, a huge success.

Seems like the Chinese are learning their lessons in greed quite well.

penalised4pretty:

ENOUGH of the BS abt how pretty girls get ahead. they DONT. they get labelled. jealous suitors in offices run them down. bosses and co-workers find it ridiculously to paint them 'to type' behind their backs... 'oh that Cosmopolitan-reading, boy-felling, non-serious, air-headed, pop-music afficionado who watches Private Practice in her free time and everyone does her work for her because she's pretty'.
You might be marilyn vos savant, marilyn monroe and mother teresa rolled in one.

BS. BS. BS.

Pls note that the same rules do NOT apply to men. in their case, the better looking, the better.

Of course in both cases, the REALLY pretty ones are ALWAYS airheaded. The slightly ugly ones GET AHEAD, coz peers/ evaluators/ bosses think they arent vain, they dont think too much of themselves and dont make them feel inferior.

THERE. i said it. now how abt doing a study on how beautiful people get penalised???

org1:

We, here in the US, are obsessed with perfect appearances too--witness the huge cosmetic surgery industry!

Independent:


The person who seems to think the United States has never had any incidents comparable to or worse than the tragedy which happened in Beijing in June 1989 needs to study this nation's history. The Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and My Lai massacres were worse. Also, there were widespread massacres, virtual genocide, against tens of thousands of Filipinos, who were fighting for freedom and independence for their people. Thousands of civilians were also massacred by Nationalist forces in Taiwan in 1947 CE, an event few persons outside of that island are aware of.

Pomfret and those in the wester media making a big deal about the different Chinese girls singing and performing win the gold medal for hypocrisy. Look at all the examples mentioned by some, including myself, of persons who did not really sing in movies or who used body doubles for certain non-risky scenes.

C + C Music Factory:

I don't know why people keep bringing up Milli Vanilli when discussing this. The better analogy is to C + C Music Factory's hit "Gonna Make You Sweat". In the music video, a woman singer lip-synced the track actually sung by ex-Weather Girl Mary Wash. The singer who was seen was slim; Wash is more, well, fat.

AE:

Correcting the typo:
And is Tibet “in his best situation now”? In the first 45 years since Mao, Tibetans lost 45% of their population while 165 million non-Tibetans MOVED IN TO THE TIBETAN PLATEAU. Tibetans' original 7.5 million had been virtually the sole inhabitants of the Tibetan Plateau. This crushing influx easily counts as "cultural genocide" by the Geneva definintion because most of that immigration is motivated by government incentives and Hu's stated policy for dealing with the Tibetan issue is the "two hand policy" which means one hand crushes any revolts, the other hand moves in Chinese immigrants in massive numbers.

Tibetans across the Plateau revolted against China in March. Of course they did not do so without good reason.

anonymous:

Don't be jealous about others efforts. Anything wrong about this? It is entertainment.So directors have their own concerns. The show is the best ever, indeed.

Besides,those tabloid-style story about symmetric breast is totally a joke.

Funny to see some comments here trying to make a fuss to bash China and some people take it so serious to argue for China.Is it really a big deal?

Those bashing-China suckers are perked up suddenly after being sadden for a while by the fact that Chinese are holding a successful Olympic event.

TW, USA:

My sister in Taiwan had a worse performance review from work. The reason from her manager was: "She wears a hearing aid" This was not some secret backdoor explaination. This was what the manager openly said. Her job is not a store keeper or anything requires her to be beautiful.

Anyone in US would think this is close to impossible, at least to admit this kind of discrimination openly. But that's a fact of life. And Taiwan brag so much about thet are so much more advanced than mainland.

Lot of Japanese women have to resign after getting married. Only a few years ago, all Taiwan bank employees had to quit their job after they got married. I don't know that's still true in Japan or not.

Anonymous:

Hi 240
You guy are so aggressive! If you say "Faking everything is very chinese", please try to use non China-made products. If you can, you are a great man. Weeks ago, my friends bought five POLOs at very low price in China. He was so happy. Dear 240, you have never bought any product made by China? I am sure the jeans/shoes on you must be made in China.

AE:

What was that Obama/McCain bit? An attempt to drown out discussion with weight of verbiage? Hmmmm. . .attempts to drown out discussion? Now whose profile does that fit? And in the denouncements of ignorance, where is the reasoned and empirical description of why and how? Without that, you make the point yourself without assistance: Hysteria. Lack of social context for critical engagement. Infantile nationalism. Wishful thinking and wholesale rewriting of fact.

AS to the claim that Tibet has been part of China for 1000 years. Not really. The Mongolian empire demanded and got military submission and in the centuries that followed both the Mongols and the Manchu were called upon at various times by the Tibetans as military allies and ended up exercising limited suzerainty. That’s about it. But Mongol case does not apply unless China claims Moscow and other far-flung locales by the same logic and the Manchu handled Tibet through its foreign affairs office, as did the Nationalists, and Tibetans throughout the Plateau paid taxes to Lhasa until 50 years ago (or to a local warlord who paid Lhasa), and Tibet continued to be functionally independent of Chinese influence until the PRChina invaded. Missionaries 100 years ago report that their Chinese guides are every bit as foreign as they are as soon as they travel west of Kanding. It is the Chinese who know nothing of Tibet and should do some study before speaking about it. Just as white people in the US could not speak about black community experience at all accurately 50 years ago and mostly cannot do so now.

And is Tibet “in his best situation now”? In the first 45 years since Mao, Tibetans lost 45% of their population while 165 million non-Tibetans. Their original 7.5 million had been virtually the sole inhabitants of the Tibetan Plateau. Tibetans across the Plateau revolted against China in March—of course they did not do so without good reason.

Anonymous:

From comments I learn a lot. In fact, your complaints about China indeed shows that you are jealous. But thank those anit-china guys! In fact, your doubt just indicates that you,in reality, are so concerned about China's development. Here, I heartedly invite you to travel to China and to have a look at China personally. I've been to USA. She's a great nation. From my experience, Americans are so friendly and understanding. But here I feel so sorry for you. How dare you comment a matter without any investigation? Did your teacher teach you the way? I think "No". The reason is that you don't want to know about China at all. Your philosophy is "Nobody else is permitted to do better than you". In my opinion, you should give some constructive suggestions to make things better rather than unfair criticism.
Anyway,I respect your rights to show your opinions. But one thing is important: Don't make fun by insulting others.
thank you.

Val:

Just watch the US television networks and their anchors and you will definitely see "United States of America's Perfection Obsession".

Daniel:

It's not this act alone that has people all hot and bothered. China has basically been pushing everything deemed "not-presentatable" under the rug, keeping it hidden from the public eye to save face.

The country is too concered with putting on a mask to make everybody think " Look at how happy the people are and how wonderful everything looks! No problems here!" instead of showing what China is really like.

I lived in China from 06-07, and I think they are making a big mistake by covering everything up. The country is filled to the brim with history and culture, but the government insists on controlling where people look and what they see, instead of openly inviting foreigners to discover what China is like by themselves.

jhbyer:

I well remember when all American newspapers segregated "female jobs" to spare women the embarrassment of applying for a man's job, only to be shown the door that'd be gallantly held open.

Jobs involving the public invariably wanted "very attractive" applicants. This being a democracy, it seldom got more specific. (Being a fully-developed economy, women also had stiff brassieres that made a point of being symmetrical.)

The Chinese aren't yet in our league in the extraordinary financial homage paid beauties to sell corporate products. As John points out, what's unique is to hear communists talking like a bunch of capitalists. People will be people.

GOP McD Students BushMcCain:

President Barack Obama Contrast With McCain


Growing Up

McCain was privileged, given everything by both parents, and worked for nothing.


Irish-American Barack Obama grew up poor, raised by his Irish-American single white mother and Irish-American white working classs maternal grand parents. Irish-American Barack Obama was given nothing and worked for everything.

Education

McCain was a D student and graduated last in his class. McCain and McBush share failed academic records. He partied constantly and dependent on favor handouts from his high ranking father and grandfather. McCain earned nothing on his own similar to McBush. McCain is also Internet illiterate which slows down his information processing capacity. Is this good for the country?


Irish-American Barack Obama worked hard and became PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW. Everything that Irish-American Barack Obama accomplished he did on his own. Irish-American Barack Obama’s HARVARD Scholarship ranks among the best. Irish-American Barack Obama’s hard work represents the American Dream.


Community Service

McCain poor studies translated into poor performances in the military where he crashed several planes and recklessly endangered the lives of others. McCain was never trusted by his colleagues nor loved by his peers. The highlight of McCain’s career was getting shot down and becoming a prisoner. McCain served his country by getting handouts from his guards. Getting handouts seems to be McCain’s modem of operations.


Irish-American Barack Obama turned down large profits after graduating from HARVARD LAW to serve the community in Chicago where help was needed most. The community learned to trust and love Irish-American Barack Obama for his dedication to the people.


Marriage

McCain walked out on his family to chase a younger woman who was on drugs, embezzling money from her company, stealing, and facing criminal charges, until her privileged family saved her from trial. McCain’s dysfunctional family represents chaos and lack of respect when he curses her in public.


Irish-American Barack Obama married an intelligent IVY LEAGUE attorney and adores his beautiful young daughters. Irish-American Barack Obama’s First Family represents what America is striving for. Irish-American Barack Obama has always been surrounded by and still maintains a great respect for women (Irish mother, Irish grandmother, wife, and two daughters). If anyone is in tune with and favors the betterment of working American women, then it’s Irish-American Barack Obama.

International Diplomacy

The World wants no more chaotic McBush-McCain.


The World loves Irish-American Barack Obama and will follow America’s leadership behind Irish-American Barack Obama.

If McCain had to make an emergency landing on a deserted island with HARVARD LAW Irish-American Barack Obama onboard as one of the passengers, then it is safe to say that McCain would assume the role of Gilligan, while HARVARD Scholar Irish-American Barack Obama would assume the role of the professor.


Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

When the communist learned that McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat. Since McCain got 28 medals, that equals out to a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.

McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.

Former naval officer and the owner of an oil-trading company that inked defense contracts worth $1 billion is the modern presidential money man. The law forbids high-level supporters from writing huge checks, but with help from friends in the Middle East McCain is receiving large donations.

anti_CNN:

hi,JBE:

I think you are the man with:

Infantile. Shallow. False. Sham. Lies.

240:

Faking everything is very chinese. Fake LV handbags, fake dvds, fake drugs, fake computer super chips, fake ceremonies, fake voice. Zhang Yimou learned from Hollywood innovators and is a Hollywood wannabe. If thats the best he can do now then his best work was long ago. The list of fakes are endless. The great chinese inventions were done thousands of years ago and are now obsolete. Thats all they have to draw on these days. In china there is no innovations just manufacturing other nation's innovations and creativity. China, the cheap labor assembly line of the world!

Anonymous:

I Intended to write in English. But I decide now to write in Chinese to show my "sorry" for those anti-chinese Americans:
You are "无知". But there is a Chinese saying "无知者无罪". Those are blindless to China are "无知".
p.s. "无知"=ignorant

中国人

Anonymous:

I Intended to write in English. But I decide now to write in Chinese to show my "sorry" for those anti-chinese Americans:
You are "无知". But there is a Chinese saying "无知者无罪". Those are blindless to China are "无知".
p.s. "无知"=ignorant

中国人

anti_CNN:

Its no secret that the Dalai Lama tried to help his country survive the invasion by participating in the Chinese government for a time. But maybe you would understand his “betrayals” better if you understood how he saw that, what that was for him, and why Tibetans all over the Tibetan Plateau woke up in March and decided to burn all the Chinese government buildings in their county towns, burn the Chinese flag and raise the flag of Tibet.

=============================
Hi ,you foolish man!
Tibet was a part of China for over 1000 years.where was USA in the earth then ?
Tibet is in his best situation now.

Kacoo:

Some say a girl without teeth must be allowed to sing.

Others say a girl who is missing a tooth cannot compete in gymnastics.

Just remember America's most important rule of all: China can't win.

Anonymous:

this happens everywhere, in the US, China, Europe.... and as for the underage use of Chinese Athletes I am really starting to get tire of it. is that all you can complain about.

A.Lincoln:

What's the problem here? These little girls should just be thankful they weren't aborted to make way for their little brothers.

pgr88:

Shuang Ru Dui Cheng - Jui Shi Hao!!

ABC:

As a chinese I would like to invite you Americans to visit China and listen to what Chinese people are really thinking. US people are great. Let us try to do something that will be better than say nothing. Every one knows that the US president participated the great ceremany on Aug. 8. If you do not respect Chinese, do you respect Americans? Be friendly!

dv:

is this an example of sportsmanship in the biggest sports festival of the world.
what a shame

Geans:

This sort of thing happens all the time in entertainment...it's unfortunate that it involves children here, but a potentially damaged self-image is probably the least of your worries if you are a child living in China today.

Oh, and the leading ladies in West Side Story and The King and I were using someone else's voices, too.

Ohio:

The lip-sync thing doesn't bother a lot of us.
From the television coverage, China is a beautiful country. It was interesting to see the terrain and that the roads, guiderails, and signage are all very similar to what we have here.
Also, it was noted, the police light bars on the cruisers are just like ours. Chinese are much like us, we smile and wave the same, we all want to excell in what we attempt. I admit, I don't like the fact some products secured from there are not up to our standards here and have caused much heartache and problems. We need to keep a more secure check on imports from all countries.
We also need to place a halt on other countries securing a share of our financial and manufacturing sectors. Quit living above our means and take care of our own. If there were underage people competing, that will surface as well. China has done a really nice job producing these Olympics, as have the other countries/cities who have hosted them. Give them a "pat on the back" and enjoy the games.

Anonymous:

In reality, it's all about who's who's and who's connection. It just happens that the lipsinker(ess) just happens to have no singing voice and the other kid who has the singing voice has no connectional ties to who's who's and who's in the government of China.

Is this any different than our way in the United States? Only those in the who's who's and who's connection has any chance to shine. Cinderella stories are exceptionally rare these days and even then the who's who's and who's connection must exist to establish any kind of Cinderellas.

Stop criticizing others and think of ways for our people in the United States to be more fair. Fairness appears to have gone with the wind a long time ago, don't you think?

D W:

Have you ever heard of body doubles for movies? The U.S. is filled by examples exactly the same as this. How may ugly actresses are there? How many fat models does the U.S. have. CNN and MSNBC have some very attractive women reading the news. In fact, how many high paying executive women do you see that are not above average in looks?
Where China is still very behind the times is in their hiring practices. Can you imagine a U.S. company putting an ad in the paper asking for specific measurements for a secretary? Although I am still cynic enough to think a U.S. male executive may use the same criteria as the Chinese, just not put the requirements in the paper.

Anonymous:

I've yet to see someone explain what's the advantage to using underaged girls in gymnastics.

Anonymous:

Who complains for unfairness!!! Why are we trying to notice only the "bad" things in these magical events? We are more jealous than we think we are and all that...on behalf of fairness....

AE:

In fact they do not have surnames in 90% of the cases. When they have two names, both are unique to themselves, neither representing a family name. Again, very petty. But interesting that Chinese know so little about Tibetans—could it be that you are guilty of what you accuse me, speaking of that which you do not know?

Its no secret that the Dalai Lama tried to help his country survive the invasion by participating in the Chinese government for a time. But maybe you would understand his “betrayals” better if you understood how he saw that, what that was for him, and why Tibetans all over the Tibetan Plateau woke up in March and decided to burn all the Chinese government buildings in their county towns, burn the Chinese flag and raise the flag of Tibet.

AS to the propaganda function of history class in all countries, I agree completely. But no one has ever done this as wholeheartedly, on such a large scale or so effectively as the PRChina. They learn in school that China invented the nuclear bomb and basketball. You name it, they invented it. Tibetans attend schools with murals of false, subjugated, history painted on the walls. The list goes on. Of course all history is written by the victors. Yes, American textbook versions of Hawaii and many other issues were despicable. But they’re improving because there is a social context and precedent for the social critique, which is what China lacks. Dangerous because, as in the case of the representation of the Japanese conflict, facts are selected and represented repetitively with the intent of creating Chinese nationalism through hatred of a foreign group. Or, in the case of Tibet, the entire Chinese ethnicity has ended up fervently believing a lie that the other ethnic group cannot believe, guaranteeing a very long ethnic conflict, or another genocide (as in the case of the Manchurians). I was not saying that other countries do not do this. I was saying that the Chinese do it on a an unprecedented scale, with unbelievable success and lack any context for criticism so that it becomes an entirely functional rewrite.

And, again, I am more than happy to have China rise as a power. The world needs someone to balance the US. The US needs to be free of its recent responsibilities. Its great if China gets more powerful in the near future. But the face-saving games are a little intense for a world power aren’t they?

dick cabesa:

the olympics have been reduced to a propaganda vehicle for a totalitarian state. enjoy

Ali:

Spanish-language TV both here and in Latin America prefers blonde, white performers, for all their claims of blindness to race.

Beauty??:

Why are we so surprised?

America does it all the time. Looks that include ethnicity, size, hair color etc. You only see certain people in movies, ads, TV, newscasters, etc.

Citizen of the post-American world:

Pettiness is the greatest tribute all local losers could have paid to those responsible for an outstanding, unprecedented world performance.

Relax, folk: it was all an illusion! Everything you saw that day never happened. China does not even exist.

Post-Western world...

dangdut:

I find most of the comments on the singing very silly and childish. The Indians use a beautiful face in the movie but the song is sung by an elderly women. Anything wrong with that? Some have a beautiful face while others have a beautiful voice. In Western movies, the same is adopted. A actress may be beautiful but her breast are not so eye ogling. So a augmented substitute breasts are used. Anything wrong with that. The movie watchers get a beautiful face and a perfect set of boobs.

Anonymous:

THE no-fun message has finally hit home with Beijing organisers, who have tried to inject some much-needed atmosphere into the Games by allowing ordinary citizens into the until now deserted Olympic Green.
But, and there is always a but, those Chinese wanting to come and enjoy will have to apply through their local communist community authority in advance and be vetted and approved before entry.

"We can see there have not been enough people on the Olympic Green, so from today we will encourage many people to come," BOCOG spokesman Wang Wei said. The Chinese have already begun bringing in teams of yellow-shirted volunteers to act as international cheerleaders, in an attempt to fill empty seats at some venues that had been allocated to absent party members and sponsors.

AOC president John Coates agreed there was a noticeable lack of atmosphere at venues.
"I think you have to put a lot of that down to the preoccupation with security," Coates said. "And they haven't been able to manage the balance between security and creating that atmosphere, I suppose."

Coates has already expressed disappointment in small crowds at some venues, and has urged Australian athletes to wear their national colours outside Olympic areas as an extra security precaution.

Ticket scalping, which is rife outside some of the main venues, is another issue the organisers are struggling to contain.

BOCOG claimed to be unaware illegal ticket touting was occurring but said it had "measures in place to deal with it". And in an extraordinary display of the head in the sand politics which has so far marked the Games, the BOCOG official said he had not noticed a Chinese light-armoured vehicle that suddenly appeared outside the main press centre yesterday, complete with armed troops who sat inside while hundreds of Olympic workers had their photographs taken standing in front.

Wei denied there had been any new security threats but admitted he had no idea why the vehicle was there.

"A decision has been made by the relevant authorities but there is not a big threat," he said.

Anonymous:

Member of Parliament (MP) for Gaborone Central, Dumelang Saleshando, has expressed concern at the rising number of Chinese people flooding the country and doing jobs that Batswana are qualified to do.

WILL:

It is so interesting to see China bashers' lame excuses.Anyway,it is a good venue to see people argue for sake of argument only.

Anonymous:

The International Federation of Journalists also reports that some reporters have been followed and photographed by plainclothes security officers. They, too, are not what they appear.

Yesterday morning, media members got off their buses and found an armoured personnel carrier sitting out front of the Main Press Centre. It was hardly intimidating -- reporters lined up to have their picture taken with it -- but it was an oddly powerful reminder of precisely where we are. As one prominent American columnist said upon getting off the bus, "Hello, Tiananmen Square."

"I've been to different Games and I don't think this is surprising in Beijing," protested Wang.

"I've seen them in other Games. Is that right?"

Sure, Athens had Patriot missiles stationed in the hills, and various Games have featured various serious-looking men with guns. But Italy didn't imprison its dissidents, and Greece has freedom of the press, and the United States, for all its faults, never had a Tiananman Square.

What China has built here is incredible. The architecture, the machinery, the armies of volunteers and an Opening Ceremony with images that were surely seared into the soul of every Chinese citizen, and not a few citizens of the world, who watched. These are the Superpower Olympics, damn the costs. As Thomas Boswell of The Washington Post put it, the four billion people who will see these Olympics will witness "the behemoth that is being born."

But they are the Hollywood Olympics, too, complete with false fronts and lead actors and a cast of thousands, or millions. At its heart, this is a bright, shining, $40-billion lie. If the whole thing is being staged in Cambodia, don't be surprised.

In a concession to imagery, the turret of the military vehicle out front was hidden under a dark vinyl cover, as was a smaller armament. But there were still guns underneath.

Independent:


The person who contends Chinese are more concerned about appearance than reality may have been out of the United States too long. Look at the millions of Americans who bought homes, often bigger than they needed, yet could not afford higher interest rates. The average new house in the United States in 2008 is substantially larger than in 1978, with a smaller average family size. What does this say about appearances being important and materialism so values in this country?

Those persons who are expressing anti-Chinese opinions are often those who are very insecure about the present and future. They expect the white dominated countries in the United States and western Europe to dominate the world forever. There was almost comparable hostiliy and paranoia toward the Japanese during the 1980's.

As to the person who claims Chinese students are brought up on "false history," what does he/she offer in the way of facts and examples to back this up? There may be examples of propaganda in Chinese history classes, but there long was in United States history classes, especially before the 1970's. Supposedly reputable historians and history books claimed slavery was not that bad and looked upon Reconstruction in very negative ways. The list goes on and on, especially concerning how the the native Americans were subjugated.

Generally speaking the conservatives, Republicans and neo-cons seek to divide people, appeal to their worst fears in their agenda to 1) achieve and maintain global hegemony by a United States government led by them, 2) help the wealthy and corporations above all, 3) neglect the needs of the poor, needy, those without health care and the environment. Some of them claim to be "Christians," but it is unimaginable Jesus would have endorsed such a selfish, greedy, amoral agenda.

izan :

This is no diffrent then the Nazi Olympics in Berlin. The Nazi's built new stadiums, had a glorious opening and then insisted on tall blonde good looking aryans represent them. Did anyone expect anything different from the Communist? Today they won't allow an ugly nine year old represent them what is next? Gas all the non-pretty looking chinese? I won't put it beyond the communist.

Anonymous:

To Chris:

--One day I took a walk with a pretty Chinese female friend of mine (not a girlfriend) and encountered a male colleague strolling with a woman. He made no attempt to introduce her to me and more or less pretended she wasn't there. I knew him to be a married man and finally asked him, "Is this your wife?" SHE finally yes, she was, and I introduced myself to her and shook her hand. After we walked away I asked my friend what was going on and she gave me a "you silly Westerner" look and patiently explained that my colleague was obviously embarrassed that his wife wasn't pretty.--

That guy is a-s-shol-e for sure. But I don't think there is the reason for him.

For most of Chinese, guys, they are embarrassed to go out with girlfriend and wife, it may not be her look. And I bet one ever seen a Chinese guy making out in public with a woman, it is unChinese. Only Western Chinese are making out on street.

And Chinese guys don't ever aggressive approaching women, that is why, some Chinese women like western guys, "honey, love, dear, sweety..."

We Chinese never show that, and many are embarrassed when co-workers see us with our wife and girlfriends in public strolling, but once we get on pommel horse it is like American get into my sister's bed, all kind routines, and unique skills:)

Even though I am 38 old Chinese guy, but still blush to say Hi to any woman besides my mom and family.


Anonymous:

--but the chinese use underage girls for gymnastics.
fake singers.--

If my girl is 9 yr old, I would not risk her to sing on the world stage, but I think it is wise to have her lip-synch, so she would not make a mistake she will not recover for whole life. She only a girl.
And it is a ceremony, a party, not competition, for God sake.

If my 14 yr gymnastic girl could compete with the best, and would not be injured I will help her to change her passport, it is once of life time. Beside how many US baseball, basketball, football adults using drugs and cheat? How many government change passport for age for their Athlete to compete soccer games?

Have you seen the gymnastics? there is big gap btwn US and China and other countries, if you put your child to train since 3 or 5 yrs old, by 13 or 14 (10 yrs training), they are ready and better than the 19 and 20. What will you do, wait for two or 3 years, I am sure your government would love to change your name early than everyone will notice it.

How about some of the Ping Pong teams of the world, those Chinese Athlete cannot even speak the language as their new passport stated, aren't their fighting still be used for their new country 's propaganda? Did Chinese ever complain about that those countries are using Chinese to win ping pong?

And US the same, how about your flag bearer, how long he been a US citizen? and many other US athletes? Freddy Adu?

Leave the Athletes alone.

Anonymous:

Anonymous:

everyone is missing the point. china is host to the olympics - you know that "purity of sports" stuff.
if you cheat you lose your medals, or your not allowed to participate at all.
but the chinese use underage girls for gymnastics.
fake singers.
using computers to enhance the fireworks display. they are supposed to have that down pat.
but cheat they do, and while hosting a serise of sporting events were cheating is not just looked down on, but will ruin your life if you are caught doing it.
but cheat they do and why - because they cant stand not to win no matter what the cost.

August 12, 2008 7:51 PM

Thankfully another voice of reason. I've also been enjoying the blatant outing of the corrupt system by Bela Karoli, including the bias in scoring and the use of underage girls on the Chinese gymnastic team.
At least the US is ruling in sports that do not rely on biased, arbitrary judging. You can't deny a record breaking hand-touch on the side of a pool.

Anonymous:

To Anonymous,

Dalai Lama uses US to achieve his belief, he left China himself. (before he ran away, he was vice chairman of China, he even wrote poems to thank Mao and commies)
US uses Dalai Lama to play her card, to break down her enemy.
China refuses to let Dalai Lama go back, good stand.

That is the way all countries should deal with their traitors. He should die outside, nothing is wrong.

I would not receive someone who betray me again and again.

by the way, Tibetan all have same surname, go ask your Tibetan separatists what is their surname.

Dalai, which means they are all belong to Dalai Lama, it is not propaganda of the commies, just go ask any Tibetan.

You people are so shameless, before you want to break China at least learn more before you do it, haven't you guys learn something from Iraq, you think Iraq issue is Saddam's regime, but how many your soldiers died under the conflict of many Iraqis Ethnics.

You are an idiot.

Chris:

I'm an American living in China teaching English. (By the way, "thank you" in Chinese is "xie xie".) A few points nobody has mentioned and which I think are pertinent:

1) All of the members of the Politburo are men, most of them at least 50. There was one woman member but she has "retired." This country has very few women in any real position of authority and seems to like it that way.

2) In general, Chinese are much more concerned with appearances that reality. One sees examples of this every day. In many cities in China it's not uncommon for someone to own a car and not have enough money to put gas in it. It's important for people to THINK you are wealthy enough to have a car. You need to see the fuss my colleagues put up every time I try to pay for a meal here when we're out together. They know, as do I, that my salary is at least twice or three times higher than theirs and sometimes even five times. Yet they feel the need to pretend that they can afford to pay for everyone when we go out. On more than one occasion I've had to sneak away from the table and quietly pay so nobody would see me do it and "lose face." One day I took a walk with a pretty Chinese female friend of mine (not a girlfriend) and encountered a male colleague strolling with a woman. He made no attempt to introduce her to me and more or less pretended she wasn't there. I knew him to be a married man and finally asked him, "Is this your wife?" SHE finally yes, she was, and I introduced myself to her and shook her hand. After we walked away I asked my friend what was going on and she gave me a "you silly Westerner" look and patiently explained that my colleague was obviously embarrassed that his wife wasn't pretty. Even though I've been here five years and thought I was beyond being surprised by anything here, I was. Being totally objective, his wife is a better looking woman than he is a man, though neither are magazine cover material. I wish I knew what transpired when the two of them got home but my guess is the wife said nothing. That's the way things are here.

3) Chinese seem to have a real problem with criticism even when it is "constructive" UNLESS it is made by someone deemed to be a "superior." Since most Chinese perceive anyone who isn't Chinese as somehow inferior any criticism made by a non-Chinese is met with hostility. There are Chinese who will argue this point incessantly and I'm sure there are more and more exceptions occurring but I've personally seen teachers fired for daring to criticize a superior and seen an equal number simply terrified to say anything when a superior makes an obviously bad decision or is unqualified or incompetent. (This, sadly, happens all the time since "relationships" count much more than qualifications here when it comes to hiring and promotions.)

4) Caring about an individual's "feelings" is also very un-Chinese. Many Chinese feel emotion is equal to weakness. The Politburo guy couldn't care less about the "feelings" of the poor little girl with the bad teeth. Her feelings are much less important than the glorification of the "motherland."

I could go on but I'll close. There are many facets of Chinese culture and character that are fundamentally different from what we Westerners are accustomed to. Some of these are admirable, others are not. Deal with it.

Anonymous:

To Mike,

You forgot there are two most important fakes:

Chinese:)
and Commies:)

How dare these people:)

Hui:

There were tremendous pressure to the ceremony director from everyone in China and it's almost impossible to find the cutest face with sweetest voice on a same girl. It's hard to make everyone satisfied without lip-sync.

The good: after the organizer released the fact, the song made two girls famous in China. Good luck to them!

Mike:

Pomfret,

In order to drive down the IQ level of people in this forum, let me point out more fakes at the Opening Ceremony.

1. The Bird Nest stadium is definitely a fake. Birds will never build a nest with steel and concrete. They build with straws and leaves.

How dare are the commies to pull such a fake on us! who they think we are?

2. The movable printing segment was definitely a fake. It was no printing. It was merely people hiding inside a box and moving it up and down, trying to fool the world.

3. The scroll was on the ground was no scroll at all. It was a LED screen showing some images. How stupid the Chinese think the Americans are?

4. The segment showing the naval history of China have no real ships at all. It was all fakes. There wasn't even any water on the ground. How could they row a boat without water? Stupid commies!

5. And the segment with Sarah Brightman singing on top of a globe. It wasn't real. Real earth is not that small. Another fake.

6. Li Ning wasn't running along the rim of the stadium when he lighted the Cauldron. He was suspended on wires and was merely pretended to run. He wasn't running at all. He was moved along by someone.

These fakes all show the Chinese commies have no respect for American's IQ. How sad! This makes me very angry. Let's boycott Chinese fakes.

Anonymous:

Infantile nationalism:
"The only thing that Chinese people will continue to do is TO BE STRONGER"

Deluded hysteria: "your scheme"

Hysterical nationalism based on a pervasive sense of insecurity:
"only in the US could the population be so bent to make a villain of others like China so that they fail to see how sick their society has become".

And this: "according to your expertise that you are not even a Chinese, how can you write Chinese history according to yourself". Here is ignorance of the role of external observation in assessment of a country. Does, for example, the US accurately self-evaluate? Of course not. No one can. It also reveals the hysteria about sovereignty mentioned previously.

The point about Tibetan surnames was just in response to the claim that all the ethnicities “of China” have surnames—if so, then Tibetans and Monguor are not. Just a minor logic error and a petty point...but general Chinese ignorance of Tibetan life is revealing.

Your response with the stuff about Tibetan slavery is ignorance resulting from prolonged exposure to propaganda. As in all good lies, there are some kernels of truth to string together there, negative facts about life in Tibet prior to the Chinese occupation. But life was no more unjust there than elsewhere in the world and immediate vicinity or enough to justify an occupation. Have you not criticized Bush for occupying Iraq with the claim that the US is there to fix it?

And of course you exaggerate the role of the Dalai Lama. The Chinese propaganda department does this so they’ll have someone to blame while they claim that most Tibetans welcome the occupation—but in March the world saw that this is not true. Tibetans cannot give up their sovereignty any more than the Chinese: look at the hysteria left by so many centuries of control by Mongolia, Manchuria, European powers and the Japanese.

Anonymous:

To Anonymous:

--Then since most Tibetans do not have surnames...--

Do you know why?

Because the tradition of Tibetan is that every child and stock was born as property of Dalai Lama before 1950, China reunited Tibet.

That those were slaves are always slaves, even their children, royalty of Lama are always royalties, which means any person who was slave can be put to death as stock.

I guess those Tibetan separatist did not yell in front of camera to tell the world that they have that tradition is deeply rooted with their religion huh?

Otherwise why Dalai Lama even get involved of politics, in Tibet religion that Tibet is possession of Dalai Lama, not even common Tibetan, like Jonestown of US 1977

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

That a religious leader decides the life of his stock and slaves.

Everything is decided by the monk and his following hypocrites.

Even US would not want any her state split for such religious state.

AE:

No one claimed US society is not sick. Nationalism is an illness that strikes every country. But Americans may be rightfully proud that you know about their shortcomings in such detail. That at least is something.

Anonymous:

Then since most Tibetans do not have surnames...

Basil:

There are many things "more real" about China than the US. Remember Iraq and WMD ? What about Fannie and Freddie. These are fake insolvent institutions trying to con the world and China's hard earned money. Compare Szechuan earthquake efforts to Hurricane Katrina's. US media should be ashamed to pick on a child lip-syncing as a big deal. But, only in the US could the population be so bent to make a villain of others like China so that they fail to see how sick their society has become.

Anonymous:

To AE,

according to your expertise that you are not even a Chinese, how can you write Chinese history according to yourself.

It is like I write a novel about your wife belly to tell the world how she howls and moans in my bed.

You failed your scheme, There are 56 ethnics Chinese, all differented by last name.

Like western people's family tree. Stop acting like you know something, watch some games will ya.

Cindy:

The only thing that Chinese people will continue to do is TO BE STRONGER.

AE:

"Nationalism is an infantile disease" --Albert Einstein

China is showing its true colors. One billion people have been "educated" on false history and patriotic slogans drumming up hatred, fear and belligerence. This has not nurtured their intelligence, forbearance, tolerance or acceptance. One thing the Tibetan fiasco revealed was just how poorly equipped the Chinese leaders are to handle anything. Putting up a good front is what its all about for them. Chinese politics are all about “mian” (face) and “mian” (rice).

The Chinese leadership specializes in facades. For example, the Chinese people’s belief that Tibet is part of China is the success of a propaganda system that wrote all textbooks and controlled all scholarship on and reporting of the issue. Unfortunately, the Tibetans are not primitives with no documentation of their own history. Quite the opposite, so its harder for them to bury the facts in this case (harder for example than it was for the US with Native Americans).

China’s tellings of its own history are an exercise in face-saving cover-ups and switcheroos. These two little girls perfectly reveal the falseness of the entire story of Chinese historical representation, including, for example, the way it tells the story of Tibet. Consider this: China was conquered by Mongolians but represents this as their own “Yuan Dynasty”. Does that make any sense outside a pervasive interest in saving face? If these supposedly internal dynasties “of China” were really Chinese, why would China be so hysterical about their sovereignty? No one builds a wall in the middle of their property but the Great Wall cuts off Manchuria, Mongolia, Tibet (not only of modern “Tibet” but also of Qinghai, Gansu, Western Sichuan and Yunnan) and East Turkestan (aka “Xinjiang”). ...Interestingly, it is the Mongols, not the Chinese, who received the obeisance of Tibetans, and later the Manchurians, another conquering foreign power that held China (also represented as their own dynasty, the Qing, even though Chinese were second-class citizens in their own country during the occupation of the "Qing dynasty", as they were during the "Yuan").

Chinese “history” is the greatest history ever made up whole-cloth and believed by millions. The kind of face-saving switcheroo revealed by these girls is the habit of China from the bottom to the top.

The Chinese leadership, and in many ways the entire country, is driven by its insecurities. It is not impossible in their cynical realpolitics that the Chinese leadership could have caused the earthquake in a massive switcheroo designed to shift the image of them covering up the Tibetan uprisings to a more positive image of themselves as problem-solvers (not an entirely serious suggestion, but not impossible either since geologists have long had holes drilled and ready to drop in charges to relieve seismic pressures—and it certainly came at a convenient time, shifting the intense pressure off Tibetan revolution).

Sometimes liberals get confused and feel they must tolerate intolerance. This is not the case. We must forebear as much as possible, and accept the person while rejecting the action. Tolerance, acceptance, forbearance are positive values, good in themselves. We do not show hypocrisy when we do not accept China's intolerance. We accept Chinese people and the Chinese nation and mourn the false educations they have received. I for one am happy to see the rise of an alternate power to America. But lets not kid ourselves: The Chinese leaders are ignorant thugs and the Chinese propaganda “education” system is entirely destructive, especially to the Chinese people, who will never be taken seriously as long as they spout its absurd jingoistic falsities. At worst of course all this could lead us to a state of war none of us should ever contemplate even for a moment.

Anonymous:

To asphalt,

Go tell your wife that!:)
Not only you, but her boyfriends have the same feeling as you do.

asphalt:

people don't like to feel tricked or manipulated.

public manipulation was largely the point of the opening ceremonies.

ergo, a hostile reception.

Anonymous:

To 内幕:

为什么这么多人?

它们都没事儿? Like John Pomfret, 没事找事儿:)

vivian:

I am a student in china ,My English are not very good .please conprehend us.when your nation is misstook by others ,what will you do .All of our chinese want to show you a truthful China ,a beautiful China,welcome to our China,Thank you .

erkola:

The Chinese are a very stoic people. Unfortunately their country's leaders are not. To cast aside a talented native willing to perform for her country is as shallow as it gets. A country's well being necessitates unity. How can China's leaders ever hope to attain it's peoples respect? The need to be a part of it's country's successes and failures are what people want and need.

内幕:

为什么这么多人?

Anonymous:

---So am I the only one who is having trouble figuring out how a nation of 1.3 billion people can't find a little girl who can be adorable and sing well at the same time? I mean why China had to lip-synch "Ode to the Motherland" at the opening ceremony---

What if the little girl lost her voice, then how she is going to grow up in the shadow of her embarrassment?

First, everyone is happy to see a face of child, but people must protect the actor and actress,

Only you Americans are so brutal that for money and market sake to develop Britney Spears,

and first she lost her regular child hood.
second, when she make a teenager's mistake, the paparazzi surround her like she is porn star, and your freedom government can't protect your teenage idol, and whole society blame on the faults to her only.

I think it is good way to protect young kids that not to set them on our adult stage and hope they don't fall,

Even Olympic champions make mistake, how you expect a young child don't make a mistake, and if she lost her voice or sang off tone, she may never grow the same as other children, most adults are idiots if they don't understand that.

So John, do you raise even a child?

jys390:

Ken Davies,

My complaint is Pomfret's posturing that "China" and its 1.3 billion people support this type of shallow social "perfection". The implication is clear. Read all of the other responses, most of them criticizing Chinese society as shallow and demeaning to women.

Ummm.... No. Pomfret's whole premise is that the Chinese society supports this type of lip-syncing. My argument, which apparently needs repeating, is that both Pomfret and the China-supporters are idiots. Both have it wrong.

What is the truth? The reality is that this switching of the singer is INDEED outrageous and typically communist. BUT, the reality is also that Chinese people and society ALSO find this outrageous...

Which Pomfret apparently denies... Hence, bad reporting.

Wolffii:

The article is what it is.All of you take this way to serious.This isn't life and death.

I think China has done a wonderful job preparing for the events.I have enjoyed watching them.

Peace

ANONYMOUS:

GIVE ME A BREAK, HAVE YOU SEEN MOST OF THE FEMALE ANCHORS ON THE MAJOR NETWORK NEWS, ESPECIALLY FOX. THEY ARE ALL ATTRACTIVE AND AMOST ALL ARE BLOND.

Independent:


Mr. Pomfret seems to alternate between one or two posts having genuine insights, with one utterly inane. As I recall, Audrey Hepburn did not sing the songs in "My Fair Lady," but this not become an international issue.

Unfortunately what is perceived to be "good looks" often favors women in the United States tto, as Pomfret alludes to, but does not emphasize. I wonder how many secretaries and interns are hired by members of Congress primarily for their looks.

How about a serious discussion, such as why most of the United States media has been so anti-Chinese in its "coverage" of the Olympics?

Steve:

China is still developing world. So, absolutely, they will try to do the best they can and impress the super confident Westerner that already super confident. Westerner that already so perfect and super confident do not need to impress any body

Ken Davis:

So "JYS390", your outrage is at the fact that the Western media is reporting this because Chinese citizens are COMPLAINING about the "bait and switch"? Do you realize how idiotic that reasoning is?

Why does it matter if, in your own words, "You're[The Washington Post] own sources for this "scoop" is the Chinese people."? Do the facts of the matter change? Please explain, if you can, how this is an example of dishonest reporting?

I have read many of the responses to subjects in this blog and refused to credit those who have accused any pro-China posters as being over-sensitive or Communist party shills. I am starting to doubt the accuracy of that position.

Look, the lip-synching deal, a bad idea. The press called the Chinese government out on it. It is not a personal attack on Chinese people - Did you choose the singer and/or the lip-synch model? No? In that case, take a deep breath and relax. The constant defensiveness and sense is persecution is off-putting and juvenile.

aboodabi:

Misleading article. The "pretty" girl was ALREADY picked.

It's just that during last minute rehearsal the judge felt to use someone else's vocals.

So the real singer was NEVER called "not cute enough" and she was NEVER rejected.
Only we here in the US are calling the singer "not cute enough." Shame on us.

jys390:

Chinese communist leaders are idiots. Pomfret joins their idiocy with his shallow observations. I repeat: CHINESE GOVERNMENT SUCKS, but so does Pomfret's reporting.

Pomfret your entire premise is hypocritical. You derived this "scoop" from the Chinese people's outrage over the internet. The chief complainers ABOUT THIS lip-sync girl HAS BEEN THE CHINESE CITIZENS! I repeat, the Western media (like yourself) would NOT have broken this revelation without Chinese citizen complaints.

Let's get something straight. This Director Chen was a Grade-A jerk, an idiot. But this is the same complaint leveled by the Chinese. It seems to me it's another chance for this Western reporter (Pomfret) to appear morally superior. Hypocrite. You're own sources for this "scoop" is the Chinese people.

Dishonest reporting. Washington Post, are you listening?

Sexist Nationalist:

Dang,

almost forgot about poisoning dog and cat food.

Luke:

Danny:

the comments here are unbelievable. the pro-chinese cannot for one second look objectively at their country. they refuse to tolerate any dissenting opinion that they resort to spamming the comments section. just pathetic spammers. next time try to use rationality to explain your positions instead of reflexive nationalism. become individuals!
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Is this dissenting opinion nice and constructive ?-"This is about a bunch of drug-pumped egotists and their selfish struggle to grab anything that glisters." That's why you see people here are changing fire.Not just "pathetic" Chinese "spammer"'s fault,right?

Jack Tyler:

Who cares? The olympics are a yawnfest every year. And thanks to the policies of the US, we will soon all have China's "perfect" standard of living.

Luke:

Sam:

Man,
what's up with all these Chinese people not allowing any different opinions?
I know it's hard because in China, everybody has one same opinion: the opinion of the Chinese communist party.
But please, in the West, everybody has different opinions, and you don't just try to shut them up.
Please grow up, Chinese people.

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No Chinese want to shut them up.Chinese are not what you describe who only have one same opinion. When is the time in your life you will encounter the same reaction from many people? When you habitually use all sorts of rhetoric for one purpose--insult and humiliate them! Otherwise, I cannot see how different opinions could arouse such turmoil.

observer:

Many Chinese people are probably better educated than a lot of people here. At least, many of them speak English fluently. Let them decide what is good for them (Isn't this the basics of human rights?). Do you even know how to say 'thank you' in Chinese'? What make you think you know the truth and can fairly judge them?

Danny:

the comments here are unbelievable. the pro-chinese cannot for one second look objectively at their country. they refuse to tolerate any dissenting opinion that they resort to spamming the comments section. just pathetic spammers. next time try to use rationality to explain your positions instead of reflexive nationalism. become individuals!

Sam:

Man,

what's up with all these Chinese people not allowing any different opinions?

I know it's hard because in China, everybody has one same opinion: the opinion of the Chinese communist party.

But please, in the West, everybody has different opinions, and you don't just try to shut them up.

Please grow up, Chinese people.

Cook:

What is the point ? That we should encourage the objectification of women ? Let China be.

hakomatic:

Very old U.S. ofA Dog and Pony Show Trick!

jys390:

Pomfret your entire premise is hypocritical. You derived this "scoop" from the Chinese people's outrage over the internet. The chief complainers ABOUT THIS lip-sync girl HAS BEEN THE CHINESE CITIZENS! I repeat, the Western media (like yourself) would NOT have broken this revelation without Chinese citizen complaints.

Let's get something straight. This Director Chen was a Grade-A jerk, an idiot. But this is the same complaint leveled by the Chinese. It seems to me it's another chance for this Western reporter (Pomfret) to appear morally superior. Hypocrite. You're own sources for this "scoop" is the Chinese people.

Dishonest reporting. Washington Post, are you listening?

Anonymous:

everyone is missing the point. china is host to the olympics - you know that "purity of sports" stuff.
if you cheat you lose your medals, or your not allowed to participate at all.
but the chinese use underage girls for gymnastics.
fake singers.
using computers to enhance the fireworks display. they are supposed to have that down pat.
but cheat they do, and while hosting a serise of sporting events were cheating is not just looked down on, but will ruin your life if you are caught doing it.
but cheat they do and why - because they cant stand not to win no matter what the cost.

Matrixman:

What else can we expect from a country with so many more flaws than the developed countries (and even some other developing countries), other than creating a facade of flawlessness to cover those flaws, while the entire world stares at it?

SC:

If Obama looks like Sharpton, you really think he will make so many Democrats faint?

mimi:

Same Ole Same OLe ---Story

Talent gets hidden.
Superficial beauty---a cute face -
wins the day

Rampant gallop of sexism never is challenged.
What an embarassment ---to take a little girl seven years old and decide she is not goodlooking enough to be seen singing beautifully. Shameful!

I respected China before , but my opinion of its intelligence and judgement has gone down, down , down.

Come on folks (Chinese and American) --- give the children a break! Don't make them into hollow replicas of all you grown-up power brokers.

LUKE:

Anything wrong about this? It is entertainment.So directors have their own concerns.

Besides,those tabloid-style story about symmetric breast is totally a joke.

Funny to see some comments here trying to make a fuss to bash China and some people take it so serious to argue for China.Is it really a big deal?

Those bashing-China suckers are perked up suddenly after being sadden for a while by the fact that Chinese are holding a successful Olympic event.

John Wesley Harding:

Didn't you spot the fact that the whole Olympics fiasco is a sham anyway?
This is completely in keeping with the Chinese management of the show and with the huge commercial scam itself. Expect no less.
This is about a bunch of drug-pumped egotists and their selfish struggle to grab anything that glisters. And it's about the cash that can be made from all the suckers who pay to watch.
Of course it's fake. What else?

jys390:

Pomfret... As the supposed "China expert" for Washington Post, WHY do you persist on painting the "1.3 billion" Chinese people with a brush of STEREOTYPES?

You hypocrite. You derived this "scoop" from the Chinese people's outrage over the internet. The chief complainers ABOUT THIS lip-sync girl HAS BEEN THE CHINESE CITIZENS! I repeat, the Western media (like yourself) would NOT have broken this revelation without Chinese citizen complaints.

Let's get something straight. This Director Chen was a Grade-A jerk, an idiot. But this is the same complaint leveled by the Chinese. It seems to me it's another chance for this Western reporter (Pomfret) to appear morally superior. Hypocrite. You're own sources for this "scoop" is the Chinese people.

iewgnem:

Breaking News! People like better looking people!

Do you know what dosn't look good? The media's narrow midned obsession with linking everything with politics, its distasteful to say the least.

Anonymous:

And I forgot Cheney, he looks like a murderer. How in hell Americans chose these ugly three to reprensent the country.

Anonymous:

West should definitely learn this idea from china. Hu Jing Tao and Wen jia Bao are quite handsome. But then look at Bush, Rumsfeld, Putin ... You judge yourself.

jys390:

Pomfret... As the supposed "China expert" for Washington Post, WHY do you persist on painting the "1.3 billion" Chinese people with a brush of STEREOTYPES?

You hypocrite. You wouldn't have this "scoop" without the Chinese people. The chief complainers ABOUT THIS lip-sync girl HAS BEEN THE CHINESE CITIZENS! I repeat, the Western media (like yourself) would NOT have broken this revelation without Chinese citizen complaints.

Let's get something straight. This Director Chen was a Grade-A jerk, an idiot. But this is the same complaint leveled by the Chinese. It seems to me it's another chance for this idiot Western reporter (Pomfret) to appear morally superior. Hypocrite. You're own sources for this "scoop" is the Chinese people.

Patty:

Still...they apparently saw no reason not to put that ugly fat pop singer up there to sing a duet with Sarah Brightman. Why didn't the Chinese hire some gorgeous young man to lip sync HIS song?

Seems there is a different standard for males than females...

wardropper:

What's the big deal?
Everything is lip-synched these days.
The show has to LOOK and SOUND perfect and safe - that's the first priority.

Some pushy mother got her daughter into this farce, then the pushy mother of a slightly prettier girl got jealous and schemed to have HER daughter in the limelight.

So what?
The music is crap anyway.

Anonymous:

Right, like every pop group in the United States doesn't do exactly the same thing. I don't think the US or any other nation can point a finger at China on this one.

Anonymous:

China is a bit obsessive, I agree, but this is a responsible manner too. The US is too sloppy, fat and ugly people in all international occasions. It is a bit emmbarassing sometimes. You guys should learn a bit from China.

Anonymous:

Everything takes time. With over 5000 years where one person had absolute power, one can't expect China to change over night.

JBE:

Infantile. Shallow. False. Sham. Lies.

These are words the Chinese people need to tell their government when it stage manages an image that is counter to the truth.

China will arrive as a nation on the world stage of influence when rule of law, honesty, and truth are held in premium over "empty show".

The honorable Chinese citizens already understand this. The "Standing Commitee" needs to catch up.

Anonymous:

And I heard that taller men get paid better in US. Some $500 per inch per year or so...

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