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Two Nations Divided by the Same Tongue

The Chinese are coming, the Chinese are coming!

Chinese tourists have started arriving in Taiwan as the first routine direct flights are now operating between mainland China and the island. Taiwan's tourism industry is hoping the number of tourists will reach 3,000 per day.

This is a major step forward in the relations between the two sides. (Note to American hawks: not much chance of a war now guys...) It's also a major step forward in the cultural interaction between these two very, very different societies.

Taiwan and China, like the UK and the United States, are indeed two nations divided by a the same language. (OK, to all you unification activists, sorry, I used the term two nations which implies that I don't accept the one-China principle. It's actually a turn of phrase. Nonetheless shame on me! Multiple prostrations and kow-towing...)

Taiwan's mandarin is more refined, less coarse than the language used on the mainland, which has been roughened by decades of supposed proletarian solidarity and, most recently, years of nihilistic materialism. Similar in some ways to the difference in the King's English from what we use over here in the New World.

The introduction of Chinese tourists to Taiwan is not, by far, the first interaction between the mainland and Taiwan. Taiwanese businesses have invested more than $80 billion U.S. in mainland enterprises. And hundreds of thousands of Taiwanese people live in China. (The cliche is a Taiwanese businessman who has an apartment and a mistress in Shanghai and a wife and two kids back in Taipei.) Millions of Taiwanese have been to China to travel as well.
But this introduction of the mainlanders to Taiwan is new.

Below is a marvelous first person account of one such interaction from a personal blog of
a UC Berkeley PhD candidate that I think is worth quoting at length.

"First night's dinner was at my favorite shabu shabu restaurant. It
was good to see business hopping as usual. At some point, an extra
rowdy crowd entered and claimed over half of the first floor.
Unfamiliar accents and vocal registers pricked through the low buzz
of collective dinner conversations, which puttered out into silence
when one man stood up to the buffet line and started bellowing
instructions to the half of the room that had just arrived.

Such silence, the sound of realization -- Oh. They're here.

The man ended his speech (I'm not even sure what dialect he was
speaking) with a shrill "LAOBAN! LAOBAN!" calling the store manager
over to where he stood. If nothing else, that action would've been a
dead giveaway that this crowd wasn't from around these parts...
"What do you do if you're trying to get the manager's attention?"
asked A., sincerely.

"You go find him," I said.

Most Taiwanese people just don't stand in
the middle of a restaurant and hail the manager over on account of
the sheer volume of their voice. And actually, for all I know, maybe
most Chinese people don't either.

S'gonna be an interesting summer..."

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Abe:

May 2006
"In the last days of the Qing Dynasty, Manchu was no longer the official language. The Manchu-speaking territory had shrunk to Northeast China. In North China, even the imperial aristocrats had nearly abandoned the learning of Manchu.

Although the current population of Manchu in China is nearly 10 million, fewer than 100 people can speak Manchu, according to scholars. At present, less than 50 people are engaged in translating the Manchu written"

http://english.hanban.edu.cn/english/culture/167537.htm

Babel:

"Taiwanese is a dialect of Mĭn Nán (Southern Min) spoken in Taiwan. The ancestors of the majority of Taiwanese people came from the southern part of Fùjiàn province and their language is very similar to the language of that region, particular to the dialect of Xiàmén.

Today about 70% of the population of Taiwan (15 million people) speak Taiwanese and most also speak Mandarin. Outside Taipei most people prefer to speak Taiwanese, though will speak Mandarin if they have to. Mandarin tends to be used in formal situations while Taiwanese tends to be used in informal situtations."

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/taiwanese.htm

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

Is managing a bank in China complicated? No more so than executing a fine work of calligraphy.

That, at least, is the opinion of Tang Shuangning, president of Everbright Bank, a fast-growing lender that recently applied for a stock market listing.

"Approaching a piece of white paper to write calligraphy is like mapping out a strategy in China's economy," Tang said in an interview. "The lines of your writing are where you want to lead the money flow. And it all depends on how you make use of your potential power."

Tang is not the only elite Chinese financier to have a passion for the arts.

http://www.reuters.com/article/inDepthNews/idUSTON90255720080729

WHAT THE FU.CK?!!!

Anonymous:

在西方﹐中國的邪惡已成皇帝的新衣。

China's evil has become The Emperor's New Clothes in the west. It is an indicator of western people's level of honesty and intelligence.

Anonymous:

在西方﹐中國的邪惡已成皇帝的新衣。

China's evil has become The Emperor's New Clothes in the west. It is an
indicator of western people's level of honesty and intelligence.

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

China Monday objected to U.S. Republican presidential contender John McCain's meeting with Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said "relevant people" in the United States should stop "supporting and conniving" with the Dalai Lama and separatist forces for "Tibet independence," Xinhua news agency reported.

Referring to McCain's reported meeting last Friday with the Dalai Lama, Liu said, "China is seriously concerned about the report," adding the Tibet issue is China's domestic affair.

He said China's opposition to the Dalai Lama conducting separatist activities in any country with any individual and opposition to anyone making use of the Dalai Lama issue to interfere in China's domestic affairs should be clear.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/28/China_tells_US_to_not_support_Dalai/UPI-74961217241393/

Reuters:

China unveils large Olympic delegation

Beijing July 25 - "China's delegation for next month's Olympics will be the largest for any Games with 639 athletes representing the host nation in Beijing, sports minister Liu Peng said on Friday.

The team, featuring world sprint hurdles champion Liu Xiang and NBA All Star Yao Ming, includes entrants for 38 disciplines in all 28 sports at the August 8-24 Games."

Anonymous:

To the touchy, tense relationship between global superpowers, add this gritty irritant: As Washington's unemployment rate rose, China brought over hundreds of laborers to build its U.S. embassy.

China has been using an aging motel in Washington for three years to house the army of workers who built the $250 million granite and glass embassy, which at 345,500 square feet is one of the city's largest. Now, with the embassy scheduled to open tomorrow, some labor officials and lawmakers are being less than diplomatic in their criticism.

``This is outrageous,'' says Mark Levinson, chief economist at Unite Here!, a union representing 450,000 industrial, textile and hotel employees nationwide. ``When the U.S. is in a recession and Chinese imports are flooding into the U.S., the Chinese should be using American workers.''

China's tight control over the construction of its embassy, about four miles from the White House, may be spurred by a history of espionage between geopolitical rivals, says Ashton Carter, a former U.S. assistant defense secretary.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=axwuvvbl4u5g&refer=us

Anonymous:

4 panda cubs born at Chinese breeding center

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gcKBxOcjlqyv9DnYd53y7lOTvOIAD9267QRO0

soooo.. Chinese are breeding with Pandas..

Xinhua:

FUZHOU, July 28 -- Ferry service linking China's mainland with Taiwan was suspended with the arrival of a powerful typhoon that hit Taiwan early on Monday morning and was heading to east China's Fujian Province for another landfall.

Anonymous:

BEIJING Olympic Games organisers bore the brunt of international media frustration yesterday as key global internet sites were shut down and the speed of the internet connections reduced to levels not seen for a decade.

In a double-barrelled attack, the BOCOG officials were also quizzed about the ongoing thick pollution that has enveloped Beijing. Games organisers had based their entire Games strategy on Green Olympics, Hi-tech Olympics and Peoples' Olympics, but two out of three elements were failing, the reporters claimed.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/beijing2008/reporters-vent-fury-at-great-firewall-of-china/2008/07/27/1217097058479.html

First nations:

AP: Taiwan tribe struggles to keep traditional culture

"For decades the Tao aborigines of Taiwan's Orchid Island have used colorful canoe-like boats to net flying fish in the warm waters of the Pacific. But now more and more Tao men are migrating to Taiwan's cities to look for work, leaving fewer to learn how to build the 23-foot boats. The tribe is also under siege from Taiwan's majority Chinese culture."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/20/AR2008072000825.html

Anonymous:

Beijing-bound German athletes were yesterday presented with T-shirts highlighting human rights issues to take with them to the Olympics. A group of former competitors, including Dieter Baumann, who won the 5,000 metres at the Barcelona Games in 1992, former East German shot putter Andreas Krieger as well as ex-DDR sprinter Ines Geipel, were among those who handed over the shirts to the German Olympic Sports Confederation (DOSB). The T-shirts, bearing the slogans "Fair Games," "Sport for Human Rights," "Celebrate Humanity," "Free Tibet" and "Free China," were presented to a representative of the team. They will be available for athletes to wear at the German House, which has been set up in the Chinese capital for the team. "We do not want to tell athletes how to behave, but perhaps some of them will wear them in the German House, which has ex-territorial status, to show how they feel," said Geipel.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/sports/story.html?id=e3e9701f-2ca7-44f5-91bb-d850835267d5

Anonymous:

"The Chinese smelters have no regard for the health and safety of their workers or the children who dig the ore," says Feeney, the executive director of UK-based Rights and Accountability in Development.

In Tongxiang, Zhejiang Huayou's home base near Shanghai, marketing manager Zhai Yang says his company sells processed cobalt via intermediaries, who he declines to name, to companies such as Sony, Nokia and Samsung Electronics.

Nokia spokesperson Susan Allsopp says the Finnish cellphone giant is researching whether Zhejiang Huayou is an indirect supplier.

"We have no evidence to suggest they are supplying any of our suppliers," she says. "We take any accusations of this nature seriously and do not accept the use of child labour or abuses of human rights. We will continue to monitor this, and if we find any breaches of our standards, we will take swift action."

Samsung spokesperson Hae Won Choi says the South Korean firm is investigating and so far, 70 percent of its suppliers say they don't buy cobalt from Zhejiang Huayou.

George Boyd of Tokyo-based Sony declined to comment.

Zhai says he doesn't know if Zhejiang Huayou buys minerals that originated with child labour.

"I've never been to the DRC, so I don't know the mines," he says. Zhai says his firm has a policy against child labour and will investigate. It will stop purchasing ore if it was dug by children, he says.

The Chinese government says the DRC's law must be respected.

"Chinese companies need to observe local labour laws and regulations and fulfil their social commitments," says Chen Rongkai, a spokesperson for the ministry of commerce in Beijing.

http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4525978&fSectionId=552&fSetId=662

Union:

July 26 (Xinhua) --
Canadian Mark Rowswell, well known in China by his local monicker "Dashan," said on Saturday that he felt he had found his "roots" in Kaifeng, a city in the central Henan Province which was illuminated by the Beijing Olympic sacred flame.

"I have chosen to take part in the torch relay in Henan, rather than Beijing, where I am living, because I feel I have my roots here," the Dashan said in fluent Chinese.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-07/26/content_8773430.htm

Anonymous:

There are really two events starting next month, according to Wade. They are the Olympics, itself, and China’s “enormous political statement.”

He explained, “China would never have taken this event on were it simply a sporting event. This is also a statement China wants to make about itself, about its place in the 21st century.”

“This is not North Korea,” Wade reminded the reporters. “This is not as repressive a place, but it is a police state. It is an authoritarian state, and the controls are much more subtle so you have to be more savvy and understanding how they try to work and manipulate you.”

Many foreigners in Beijing have reported recently of visas being revoked and residency status being changed without explanation. Pete DeMola, a freelance writer for the Northwest Asian Weekly who has reported on the music scene in Beijing and the volunteer force for the Olympics, recently had to leave China sooner than expected when he could not renew his work visa. He said in an e-mail, “The majority of Beijing’s foreign residents will also be given the boot for the two months preceding the Games. (Apparently, the removal of the city’s 110,000 foreign residents is a form of damage control in the event that things turn sour at the Games.)”

http://www.nwasianweekly.com/2008270031/press20082731.htm

Proud Chinese:

4 Haiku - Proud for our government

Proud for our government
Who disallows free speech of haters and democracy of mob
To ruin the whole public.

Proud for our government
Who expels the separatists
Away from One China belief.

Proud for our government,
that you may spread love in China,
but no one is allowed to hate.

Proud for our government!
China protects majority;
US worships individuality.

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

A Chinese newspaper faces punishment after running a photograph of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.

The Beijing News has published a photo from 1989 showing victims of the crackdown on protesters in Tiananmen Square.

In the photo two men who appear to have been shot are being rushed away on the back of a pushbike.

The accompanying story is about the photographer who took it and the article does not mention the photo.

Stories about the 1989 Tiananmen massacre are effectively prohibited in China.

The newspaper now faces disciplinary action.

Some commentators have suggested that senior editors might be sacked.

Nobody at the newspaper was available for comment.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/26/2315237.htm?section=world

Proud Chinese:

My fellow Chinese!
Let’s walk through their shouts and rocks,
Because, this is our baptism.

Proud Chinese:

Haiku – Praise the Chinese Wintersweet

Oh, see that wintersweet!
How it stands and blooms
In the wild blizzard storms.

Proud Chinese:

As Chinese,
We all should be proud,
Let's forgive those who hate us.

Anonymous:

Haiku

The name of liberty
They marched in a mushroom cloud,
Then dispersed into wind.

The blog of John Pomfret
Is a heaven of haters,
That no one wants to post.

Freedom of speech
Is the best way for them
To spread their hatred.

being an oversea parasite:

Over his heart, Toronto shopkeeper Yong Ping Yu still wears a pin in support of the Communist Party of China, despite the fact he left the country more than 20 years ago.

The pin, tarnished by age, was given to him as a reward from a government official but he won't talk about why.

That's ancient history, he says, there's no point focusing on it.

For Yu, 75, the country he left behind is not the one the world will see when the Beijing Olympic Games open - and he can't wait.

"It is a glorious event," he said through a translator.
"It is supported not only by all the Chinese people in China but all the overseas Chinese people all over the world."

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5ivVxTMUjBTnoUfFsjZn3LUqcp8iw

for better understanding: he is a citizen of Canada. He was running away because of communist rule. he is 20 fu_cking years in Canada now! and he needs a translator.. just a question but does Canada have a chinese colony?

Anonymous:

發現您還在﹐忍不住再說幾句。溝通只對真誠和尊重的人才有意義。二百年來西方人血債累累﹐不羞恥﹐不懺悔﹐反而繼續以謊言和戰爭把這個世界弄得愈來愈烏煙瘴氣。您覺得這樣的人是真誠的人嗎。漢語還未學全﹐先學會用漢語捉弄中國網友﹐您覺得他們是有尊重心的人嗎。Pomfret 與那幾個會說漢語的大多語氣輕佻﹐他們連自己也不尊重﹐能尊重別人嗎。他們的問題不在於愚蠢而在於虛偽﹐雖有出於無知﹐但更因為冷漠。阿富汗人與伊拉克人水深火熱﹐他們卻滿口自由人權﹐忙於抹黑打擊別國。說白了﹐這些人不過就是些假仁假義的偽君子﹐口蜜腹劍的冷血動物﹐人面獸心的畜生。我說得過份了嗎。

有人告訴過我一個故事。印度有些壞人看見人們往往同情殘障兒童﹐便想出一條毒計﹐把健康小孩拐走後弄殘廢﹐再放到街上為他們討錢。善良的人不知內情﹐結果越給錢﹐受害的小孩越多。我覺得我們在這類媒體上為中國辯護或解釋﹐又或希望去改變這些類似Pomfret的人﹐就象那些給錢小孩的人。壞人們只會越發覺得在偽道德﹐真政治上有利可圖﹐去誤導和欺騙更多的人。他們的生意會在我們的幫助下越做越大。

中國人來這裡辯論﹐開始其實是由于尊重或重視這些西方人的看法。但是發現了對方原來不過是一群無賴﹐我們還來助興﹐那便是我們的錯了。您既然是美籍華人﹐就可以以美國人的身份教這些美國人基本倫理﹐卻完全不必為中國辯解。縱使提到中國﹐也是為了把美國的問題說清楚。

您也不必把我這段話譯成英語。我的話主要是對您說的。

謝謝您上星期為我譯了那首詩。

xenophobe trying to make a point..

Anti-Anonymous:

Thanks Sir,

I understand now.

I am leaving this site to those feel very happy about doing others no good.

Dear Anonymous and Mr. Pomfret,

Your stage, your light, your speaker, and your show,
keep playing,
until God rings your bell.

So long!

Anonymous:

Anti-Anonymous:


You are still a racist, nazist and a shauvenist.
You are offtopic and i still do not understand what you want to tell me here.

Anonymous:

Anti-Anonymous,

發現您還在﹐忍不住再說幾句。溝通只對真誠和尊重的人才有意義。二百年來西方人血債累累﹐不羞恥﹐不懺悔﹐反而繼續以謊言和戰爭把這個世界弄得愈來愈烏煙瘴氣。您覺得這樣的人是真誠的人嗎。漢語還未學全﹐先學會用漢語捉弄中國網友﹐您覺得他們是有尊重心的人嗎。Pomfret 與那幾個會說漢語的大多語氣輕佻﹐他們連自己也不尊重﹐能尊重別人嗎。他們的問題不在於愚蠢而在於虛偽﹐雖有出於無知﹐但更因為冷漠。阿富汗人與伊拉克人水深火熱﹐他們卻滿口自由人權﹐忙於抹黑打擊別國。說白了﹐這些人不過就是些假仁假義的偽君子﹐口蜜腹劍的冷血動物﹐人面獸心的畜生。我說得過份了嗎。

有人告訴過我一個故事。印度有些壞人看見人們往往同情殘障兒童﹐便想出一條毒計﹐把健康小孩拐走後弄殘廢﹐再放到街上為他們討錢。善良的人不知內情﹐結果越給錢﹐受害的小孩越多。我覺得我們在這類媒體上為中國辯護或解釋﹐又或希望去改變這些類似Pomfret的人﹐就象那些給錢小孩的人。壞人們只會越發覺得在偽道德﹐真政治上有利可圖﹐去誤導和欺騙更多的人。他們的生意會在我們的幫助下越做越大。

中國人來這裡辯論﹐開始其實是由于尊重或重視這些西方人的看法。但是發現了對方原來不過是一群無賴﹐我們還來助興﹐那便是我們的錯了。您既然是美籍華人﹐就可以以美國人的身份教這些美國人基本倫理﹐卻完全不必為中國辯解。縱使提到中國﹐也是為了把美國的問題說清楚。

您也不必把我這段話譯成英語。我的話主要是對您說的。

謝謝您上星期為我譯了那首詩。

Anti-Anonymous:

To Anonymous:

---what are you trying to say?---

All I am saying is that if you want to condemn Chinese government, then you call it in full name, as Chinese Government. Not 'Chinese'! Chinese are not responsible for their government's deed, nor George Bush's decision represents American people, even though he was voted to be American president. I would not call out 'Disgusting American pigs' for George Bush's bad decision.

But if you use 'disgusting Chinese' or 'chinese pigs', then you sort every Chinese in one group for discriminating. That proves you are a racist.

I hate US Government, but I love American people.
I dislike many Chinese and current Chinese government, but I am very careful with name calling, I may call someone a pig, but I will never call a nation or a race or a culture a pig and disgusting, because I am not racist like you.

I believe there are good people and bad people from every country or place, but I don't post online that like you did many times, calling 'chinese pig' and 'disgusting chinese', these are racist terms, not political terms.

But I would call Mr. dick cheney, Hu Jintao, Sharon Stone, Dalai Lama and you are all pigs, that I only offend individuals, not a group of people; but if I were like you call 'American pigs' or 'Disgusting Chinese' or 'Proud white people' that means I am racist.

But you Anonymous called so many times on this website using such racist terms.

I don't mind if anyone verbally assault me or other individual, but if I see someone like you assault a group of people like a typical racist, then I have to stand up and say something and yell out, you are lucky you don't call such name in front me, otherwise I tear up your mouth.

Even I wrote my Chinese poems only abuses Mr. John Pomfret, only him, his last name; but I don't call him say, 'You disgusting American pigs' like you called me and my fellow Chinese on this site.

Anonymous, you are so racist, that you don't even know that you are racist.

Why don't you stab yourself to death with a calligraphy brush?

And Mr. John Pomfret, you did not build a good culture bridge for both countries, you know that? Now, do me a favor, don't go to your Chinese wife's bed tonight, you don't deserve it; instead, you stay in the living on your sofa and learn from CNN see how they discriminating Chinese boldly, and meditate what you should do for your next blog, jeez, I can't wait to read it. it is better than my cable!

Anonymous:

Anti-Anonymous

what are you trying to say?

Anti-Anonymous:

To Mr. Will Lewis,

I do respect people who respect me and others.

You may find my posting hurting others which is just return to those who hurt me and other people.

_______________________________
Like Anonymous constantly calls name 'disgusting chinese pigs', then I yell back at him.
_______________________________________
Marcel:
---'pity chinese'. i will bet they will make a big drama when africans will start to crash their business and bloody riots with 'killing of chinese' immigrants. maybe then it will became "chinese problem".---

I assume his is very proud about his country, then I return my letter to him:

Pity you Marcel,

Only your government would consider other people's affair as theirs, and using your country made weapons to help other to kill or to be killed, and later, get your pumping heads into them for cheaper oil. ... and the rest.
___________________________________

Mr. John Pomfret's 'Two Nations' violated one china belief.

I think not only me is angry with US foreign and federal policy, and many American are angry with US government policy, just like many Chinese are angry with their government too. But I separate American people and US government, for what US government does that not represent many American people, but I do not hold American people for US government's failure.

But this site does not clearly tell readers that it is about Chinese government, so many readers read this site would think all Chinese are bad, disgusting... like the response of Anonymous.
________________________________

Now you talk about observation.
People go to church to observe the Holy service, do they set blog say that those Christians are so disgusting that they drink from a same cup? They kneel to the cross?
People go to zoo to observe animal, for the cuteness of creature, do they say they are disgusting that they pee wherever place.
_______________________________________

I understand there are many Chinese people that lack of education like me, whether we elbow people for the sit on bus, or speak aloud, eat in public... but I am sure there are many good things about Chinese, can you find anything on this site?

As a Chinese and American, I am happy about both cultures and I am embarrassed about the weakness of both culture, but I prefer not to be call Chinese pigs or fat American.

All people have weakness, but it does not give other people's rights to criticize a whole group. there must be a reason.

As chinese bad public behavior that causes by over-populated cities, they talk loud so the listener could hear them clearly. Like in Japan, morning train are packed, but they are not animal.
there is reason Chinese government gives not democracy, their first subway was build in 1990s, when NY metro was built, 1890? that time women could not vote, black were segregated in US. Did I say your grandpa generation were disgusting American pigs? so you are the seed of them?

Did any Chinese laugh at you westerners that English was not yet a language before 10th century? that westerners eat with forks so you are uncivilized?

Can you guys give a chance to others to let them walk on their own?

Why could not you be fair and observe both good and bad of others?

If you think Chinese government is not good, I agree with you; but please stop call disgusting Chinese, Chinese is name of group of people, a culture; government does not represent them, not whole of them, not any individual.

Will Lewis:

To Anti-Anonymous,

You wrote:
"This topic is untouchable to Chinese, it is not soccer or baseball or football,

Politics, people died, or may die from it. I don't think anyone should talk about other people's belief very lightly, but you westerner do understand, you call it human right, democracy.

"'Two nations' 'divided' by one language"

This kind of title is like burning my national flag, what if I burn your nation's flag right in front of you, how would you feel?"

Though I think that 'culture' is a strong word when referring to anything American, I'd say that this highlights one of the differences between America and China. In the US, burning the flag is an extreme method of demonstrating dissatisfaction with the policies of the government. If you burned the US flag right in front of me I'd be lying if I told you I wouldn't be angry. But, my curiosity in your dissatisfaction with US policy would greatly overshadow any anger I felt toward you. I certainly would not yell at you or look angry, but I would ask you about your problems with the US and hopefully end up in a meaningful discussion about how we each view the situation.

Unfortunately, blogging without comment moderation allows vitriol to be written which obscures any meaningful discussion taking place between the accusations of racism and ignorance.

Point Proven:

Wow, the comments in this thread really do back up the authors article. Obnoxious comments from Mainland Chinese. I'm sure that they'd be screaming if they could be heard, and not making much sense at the same time.

It was an observation in the article, and a correct observation. I've seen the same attitude from Mainland Chinese time and time again. It's common. It's not racist, it's an observation. Just like older Taiwanese have this habit of queue jumping and elbowing their way to the front. But they tend to do it quietly.

There's a lot of similarity between Taiwanese and Chinese Mainland people, but a HUGE number of things that are different too.

Also, I most certainly don't find Taiwan Mandarin more refined. It's lazy Mandarin.

Anonymous:

--Why don't you just tell what is your real thought directly! Do you dare? Just tell we Chinese are pigs, and should not even exist! ---

gosh discusting chinese pig is trying to get an affirmation of his paranoia. hahaha... pity loser you are.

--Your country has enough a-bombs, come on, sho
ot them over! Be a man!---

what are you trying to tell me? whats the matter?

--Tell your true thoughts!---

i am not you, i told my tru toughts already whole time, you idiot.

--You dare to say it, not even to do it? Where is your manhood?---

what are you trying to say? is it a try to insult me, isnt it?

---Stop playing your racist games of gentlemen for your post,---

the only racist here is you..

--why Mr. John Pomfret and your faithful start a better straight forward topic like 'Let's kill the f king chinese yellow pigs!'----

What are you trying to say? why should i follow your racism?

---Come one! We can take that!--

you are not even teenager..

Anonymous:

--This line is for you, coward. ---

get lost, you arrogant arsehole.

--You should say that to you, and who the hack you think you are? God? --

what are you trying to say?


---Why don't you clean up your behind and then look at others!--

can you please tell me what you want?


--Say it to yourself and Mr. John Pomfret.--

again you butthurt idiot; leave this blog and sto to post your paranoide sh_it here!

Anti-Anonymous:

To Anonymous,

--you cant take critics and truth? go away.--

This line is for you, coward. You should say that to you, and who the hack you think you are? God? Why don't you clean up your behind and then look at others!

---you have no right to tell us what we deserve and what not. aside that you are a bigger, arrogant and respeckless ---

Say it to yourself and Mr. John Pomfret.

----gosh.. discusting chinese pig trying to insult the whole world outside of chinese colonies..---

Why don't you just tell what is your real thought directly! Do you dare? Just tell we Chinese are pigs, and should not even exist! Your country has enough a-bombs, come on, shoot them over! Be a man! Tell your true thoughts! You dare to say it, not even to do it? Where is your manhood?

Stop playing your racist games of gentlemen for your post, why Mr. John Pomfret and your faithful start a better straight forward topic like

'Let's kill the f king chinese yellow pigs!'

Come one! We can take that! Be a real man.

Anonymous:

--you and people like you ever respect others, then others will also respect you.---

what does it mean?

--Don't think you can squeeze some soft people, then you won't get your own embarrassment--

what do you want to say?

--No one in this world walks with clean butts, all you people just want an embarrassment.---

can you please tell me what you want to tell?


--And now my words make you feel so satisfied.--

why?

--You people just don't want to be in a eased situation, you must provoke others to slap your face so you can feel better.--

you cant take critics and truth? go away.

--You people don't ever deserve human rights and freedom of speech, you are just a bunch of animals that must need others to whip you to live.--

you have no right to tell us what we deserve and what not. aside that you are a bigger, arrogant and respeckless animal.

--Pity you! Pity the majority good western people endure you. For you guys just need animal rights.--

gosh.. discusting chinese pig trying to insult the whole world outside of chinese colonies..

Anti-Anonymous:

To Anonymous,

If you and people like you ever respect others, then others will also respect you.

Don't think you can squeeze some soft people, then you won't get your own embarrassment.

No one in this world walks with clean butts, all you people just want an embarrassment.

And now my words make you feel so satisfied. You people just don't want to be in a eased situation, you must provoke others to slap your face so you can feel better.

You people don't ever deserve human rights and freedom of speech, you are just a bunch of animals that must need others to whip you to live.

Pity you! Pity the majority good western people endure you. For you guys just need animal rights.

Anonymous:

Pity anti-anonymous.. so much butthurt is in him.

Anti-Anonymous:

To Marcel,

-----"This is an African problem,'' says Liu Zhenmin, China's deputy ambassador to the United Nations. The Chinese ambassador to the Congo, Wu Zexian, says his country doesn't interfere in the internal affairs of countries in which its citizens and companies perform work.---

pity chinese. i will bet they will make a big drama when africans will start to crash their business and bloody riots with killing of chinese immigrants. maybe then it will became "chinese problem".----

Pity you Marcel,

Only your government would consider other people's affair as theirs, and using your country made weapons to help other to kill or to be killed, and later, get your pumping heads into them for cheaper oil. Chinese are welcome in other part of world; but you and your people? stay where you are, no people like you in the world, pity you and your people, too bad the world stops to provide you cheap oil for your 4x4 huh? maybe you should look into your mirror, and you will surely find some rich fatty oil on you, why don't you just burn some yourself and for the world? Pity you!:)

Marcel:

--"This is an African problem,'' says Liu Zhenmin, China's deputy ambassador to the United Nations. The Chinese ambassador to the Congo, Wu Zexian, says his country doesn't interfere in the internal affairs of countries in which its citizens and companies perform work.---

pity chinese. i will bet they will make a big drama when africans will start to crash their business and bloody riots with killing of chinese immigrants. maybe then it will became "chinese problem".

James:

--Otherwise how you convince the readers with your expertise on Chinese affair here.--

Whatever you are smoking is your own problem, but please stop to post here when you are on drugs.

Anti-Anonymous:

To Hu Min and James, and any other Chinese Expert,

This question for you:

What is the original name of Shang Shu?

If you think you could answer that then maybe you know something about China.

Mr. Pomfret can also join the hunt.

I thought you guys are Chinese expert, and often give your stupid comment about Chinese, and I guess you guys read Chinese too.

come on guys, go back to your school library and find it out.

What is the original name of Shang Shu?

Otherwise how you convince the readers with your expertise on Chinese affair here.

Hu Min:

--You big China and Taiwan expert!--

I never saw him claiming on being an expert. You, from other side, are claiming all time that. Maybe you should get a troll-test?

James:

--Since you are so smart and know google, then please tell me the original name of "Shang Shu".

A hint what did Mencius comment about reading this book?

You big China and Taiwan expert! --


Are you on drugs?

Anonymous:

From Anonymous:

--What is the book name?--

What a book?! a book where was used a chinese word "middle kingdom"(Zhongguo)? Here is a first book where it was writed in;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_of_History

To Anonymous:

Since you are so smart and know google, then please tell me the original name of "Shang Shu".

Let's see the wikipedia tells you that. Not even Mr. John Pomfret could tell you.

What is the original name of Shang Shu?

A hint what did Mencius comment about reading this book?

You big China and Taiwan expert!

Sieg Heil! Heill China!:

Those who attend the Summer Olympics in Beijing this year could unknowingly be benefiting from child labor in the Congo.

That's where boys like Adon Kalenga, 13, work as independent contractors for middlemen who sell the ore they mine with their bare hands to Chinese-operated smelters, at a going rate of around $3 a day, reports Bloomberg.

One sweltering day in March, Kalenga has been carrying 40-pound bags of ore to the river to wash them. Bits of rock are embedded under his fingernails, and he says every part of his body hurts. Working nearby in an unventilated 50-foot mine pit without bracing or other support to prevent cave-ins, another boy, 15-year-old Carlito Muamba, is digging for ore, the news agency reports in a lengthy article.

Although there are some laws against such practices, they are little-enforced. Meanwhile, China takes the position that such child labor practices are not its responsibility:

"This is an African problem,'' says Liu Zhenmin, China's deputy ambassador to the United Nations. The Chinese ambassador to the Congo, Wu Zexian, says his country doesn't interfere in the internal affairs of countries in which its citizens and companies perform work.

But "in countries where human rights aren't respected and where people can't hold their governments accountable, it's vital for foreign governments and investors to impose conditions,'' says Wangari Maathai, a Kenyan environmentalist and 2004 Nobel Peace Prize winner.

In the end, much of the work being done in Africa by child laborers reportedly benefits individual consumers in the United States, Europe and Japan.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/child_labor_in_congo_benefits_chinese_companies_and_us_consumers/

Anonymous:

---Where you learned Chinese? If I were you, I would go get a refund.---

Dear dumb nut,

if you do not write a word into "NAME:-field" then you will be named "Anonymous:"

therefore my dear Shawn, papertiger (or whatever you call yourself at moment)it is very possible that you are insulting yourself.


aisde that your chinese is worse than my taiwanese. you should find another translator software. and please stop to stalk my computer.

Anti-Anonymous:

From Anonymous to Mr John Pomfret
我觉的您不是一个很勤奋的作家,在最近一个月的时间里,您只写了5,6篇文章.我觉得这样慢的更新频率从长远来讲会对您的博客的人气产生负面影响. 另外,您为什么不在您的播客里发布一些照片呢?是您的老板不允许还是技术上不可行?

Those who read Chinese may have a good laugh on the Anonymous' previous post to Mr. John Pomfret.

My Dear Anonymous,

Where you learned Chinese? If I were you, I would go get a refund.

"Lao Ban, please return Lao Wai Anonymoyus' money."

I think your Taiwanese teacher screwed you, huh, huh.

I am not sure John understands your Chinese:)

Anonymous:

---and I won't reply to you for anything.---

again, YOU ARE WELCOME TO LEAVE THIS BLOG EVERYTIME?!! I AM NOT REALY INTERESSTING IN A TALK WITH YOU! YOU LACK OF EDUCATION AND RESPECT!
aside that even american jobless knows more than you.

--I give all the time to you to answer it.--

AS IF I CARE!!

--Stop acting like you know something.--

WHAT?!!!