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Traditional Chinese state propaganda (dating to pre-communist times) has stressed the idea of rulers being like parents to the ruled. It's a weird conflation of Confucian ethics. Confucius said that loyalty to family trumps loyalty to state. Chinese propagandists have tried to sidestep that distinction by saying that loyalty to state *is* loyalty to family (i.e. the state is your family). There's even a pithy four character saying that if the state dies, your family also dies with it. This is of course, nonsensical, given the continued existence of Chinese families through the demise of the Yuan, Ming and Qing states. But you hear Chinese parroting this silly line all the time, as if it's some deeply meaningful thought.

I think what it really represents isn't all that complicated - the average Chinese has lost his belief in traditional religions. The response has been to put up this new god - the central government - as a benign and benevolent deity that has his best interests at heart. In 60 years of communist rule, traditional religions have withered on the vine with one exception - emperor worship is alive and well in China.

Weng'an: A turning point for China?

In "Every County is Weng'an,” Xu Zhiyong states that Weng'an and other incidents like it are symptoms of a larger problem ...

http://shanghaiist.com/2008/07/07/wengan_a_turning_point_for_china.php

You idiot, Americans can't live without enemy!

"At the Outreach Session of the G8 Summit, leaders of the Group of Eight major industrialized nations, China and other countries invited to the meeting, will discuss the pressing issues facing the world today, such as the world economy, climate change, food security and energy security.

On the sidelines of the G8 outreach session, President Hu is expected to meet some leaders participating in the event to discuss bilateral ties and international issues of common concern."

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-07/07/content_8506147.htm

To idiot who cant write his name and wrote to Jay:

Instead to understand why we are called the "sick man" and "the threat to the world" you are going to complain about critism and to try a war againt the whole world. nice choice you idiot.

No wounder that another ethnics of PRC do not want to live with chinese together. We are hunger-greedy monsters who have no idea how to make own and others future.

To idiot who cant write his name and wrote to Jay:

Accord German Leader of Lamaism Buddhists there was no conspiration about riots and protests against the torch. Asaide that this meeting was officialy and open. There was a protocol wich you can get from him and other people who were on those meeting. (he said that meeting was about immigration and tibetian relligion) so you are lying here.

Another point where you do out yourself as an BIG IDIOT is that The West has own Buddhists and they have own problems. So when they are sponsored by Wesern Gowerments then it is OK. Because many wester goverments sponsor own relligious and cultural unions. Os is it OK when those gropus demonstrate for democracy and own rghts. "The West" is democratic society wich give a S-hit about chinese brainwashed bastards who want to command them how the west should treat own relligions and own people.

How can Chinese not be senitive when all physical assaut started with verbal criticism.
2007 NED sponsored a world tibet meeting including major German political parties to coordinate world-wide movement aided at Olympic. This year, it was a well-coordinated race riot in Tibet instigated and financed by NED and then well-coordinated verbal assault in the western media on Chinese people. As one Chinese nationist said it plainly.
When we were weak, we colonist us and called us sick man of the East.
When we get stronger, we call us threat of world peace. We had had enough of this. Just leave us alone.
Th West does not like any threat real or imaginary to their dominance of world affair. Until they get over this, this kind of verbal attack from both sides will continue. I hope it will stop at verbal attack.

I wish the super-patriots on all sides would cool their rhetoric. While the non-Chinese are often guilty of extreme nationalism I do note that Chinese need to get used to criticism and learn how to both deal with it and learn from it. It seems that Chinese are hypersensitive to criticism and react to it with extreme nonsense and name-calling.

To Polity:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2008/07/06/a_pioneering_chinese_city_eyes_political_reform/

President Bush on Sunday defended his decision to attend next month's Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing, saying that to boycott "would be an affront to the Chinese people."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/06/g8.summit/

gosh.. whats about insult of americans when torch was runing in SanFran?

Chinese City Offers a Peek at Political Reform

"Shenzhen, China's first Special Economic Zone, and the first Chinese city to implement a policy of reform and opening up, recently published two guideline documents indicating a shift towards reform of the political system. On May 22, the Shenzhen city government website published a draft document outlining a 19-point reform program for Shenzhen. The first 8 points focused on political, governmental and administrative reforms and the remaining 11 points dealt with the economy, society, education, health, and culture. The points dealing with intra-Party democracy, grassroots democracy and reform of the election mechanism attracted the most attention.

Provisions regarding the development of socialist democratic politics and the promotion of reform of the political system were included in the resolution, including reform of the mechanisms for appointing cadres and making key policy decisions."

http://www.china.org.cn/government/local_governments/2008-07/04/content_15955536.htm

American,liberal or conservative, are hypocrite with prejudices built into their DNA.While you American are pointing your index finger on Chinese,don't forget there are three other fingers pointing at yourself.From 1800's [ Yellow Peril ]to 1950's McCarthysm,America really don't have any moral ground to judging other countries.

Yeah, but why WOULD they criticize the central government in this case? This is a purely local issue. You also seem to be saying that the Chinese are wrong to make a distinction between the local government and national government--yet you mention that we do this too--only in reverse. So are you saying Americans who are critical of the federal government are wrong?

I have lived in China for many years. Yes it is
true many Chinese would love come to America, mostly, I believe, for the money.

They are very loyal to China, no matter how the government treats them.

Many Americans in the University feel China is colonizing America. The population of Chinese is reaching up toward four million, with the school
population rising. Many students want to stay in America after graduating, because of the tremendous lack of jobs for degree holders in China.

Many illegal Chinese immigrants come to the U.S. pregnant, so their child will have American citizenship. If you are not Chinese in China you cannot give your child Chinese citizenship. There is a lack of reserprosity.

First generation Chinese in America don't speak to American's because they believe that Americans are not as 'pure' as they are, and can live in America without ever say hello to an American

Yes, after Dong Xiaoping Southern Journey Chinese are doing much better than under Mao's constant pressure for political equalization. But, the capitalist road is tough, and many cannot make a living if they are not well connected to government. Corruption and favoritism is diffiuclt for those with connections.

The 'rice bowl' is no longer offered to the folks in the countryside, and many wander into the cities looking for employment, only to find servitude and hate from the city dwellers.

The dream of many Chinese youth is to immigrate to the West. Education is one way to do so. They fill the Universities..and while college was once 'fun' for American youth, they are no match for the twenty-four hour students from China, who must return to China, were a foreign degree may be an opening for a job in China.

Even in America non-Chinese are considered 'foreignors' to the Chinese immigrant student. The American college students are beginning to resent them at major universities in the U.S.

To Chinese posters:
Why do you let those people get to you with their attacks? they can shout free Tibet their whole life and it won't change anything. Just like there are plenty of people in the world who are calling for free Iraq from American occupation, free Afhganistan, return California and the western US to the Mexicans, and free Palestine. They are the losers of the modern world because instead of trying to make the world better, richer, and more importantly, safer, they want more bloodshed and suffering. I for one will not lower myself and waste my time with losers like them.

To Wang

I will not forgive the offense of your discriminating words and racist speech. I dont care that you have "good American" friends. You think you can some here insult everyone here and their families and then squirm out of discussion by saying that you are have some friends? NEVER.

You atacked by using dumb and senseless propaganda all time against USA and american sozial and political situation although here is a topic about China(Not Tibet, Not South Mongolia Not East-Turkestan, Not Manchuria) and chinese goverment politics.

and and and..

You cant take critism and you cant understand positive role of. aside that you are failed to bring clear arguments for understanding of actions of chinese local and central goverments in and after girl-death riots.

Sorry but you outed yourself as a very weak collocutor.

I dont even belive you are chinese. Because your knowledge about China is very small and has many negative and overstated positive stereotypes prejudices about Chinese People from different ethnics.

To Anonymous and Proud American and Anti-Chinese,

I forgive the offense of your discriminating words and racist speech because I have some very good American friends, it is very hard to meet someone like you in US now.

You guys say whatever you want to now, I am not going to write a prosaic essay with my good poems to hurt other good American friends that I love dearly, and often we are on the same side. I am capable of doing that but I believe my pen serves a better work rather than to stab anyone with their humiliation.

I apologize to all Americans that my offensive post really did no respect.

And all you guys hate Chinese, you can yell whatever you want to, your curse can't ignite my anger no more. Good bye.

Internet a boost for Chinese democracy

"SEVENTY percent of a China Youth Daily survey believe that the Internet has become a new medium where Chinese people can freely express their opinions.

More than 67 percent of 2,874 surveyed said the Internet had become a major medium for the government to learn about the daily lives of people and to understand their thinking.

About 62 percent of the respondents felt that the government was paying attention to communicating with people and President Hu Jintao's online chat was a good example of Chinese democracy."

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/print.asp?id=365122

China Wang is great exsample for chinese pigs.

talking s_hit and pure propaganda.

--Joan:
The matter of fact is that people in the PRC are more critical of their central governments than westerns tend to believe.--

realy? any proofs here? see that retard Wang he is saying he hate chinese goverment but he is butthurt biatch when people try to talk about the truth.

--For instance, recently the central government made a deal with Japan on Eastern China Sea oil developments and the overwhelmingly majoarity Chinese are critical of the central government for betraying the national interest of China by signing that agreement.---

WHAHAHAHAHA.. What a BS!! Are you seriously beliving that those nazis are not a product of chinese goverment and propaganda minestry?

--For another example, most Chinese were critical of the central government for being too weak on Xizang (Tibet) successionists.---

LOL. nice sarcasm. BTW. Tibet is much bigger than Tibet Autonomous Region.

--It is dangerous to generalize simply based on one incident which is local by nature and say that all Chinese trust the central government but not the local governments.---

Chinese trust noone. They are happy that their goverment dont make them down with own millitary and police.

---You are right, my love! We Chinese don't trust our central or local government. We don't allow traitors. Not like American government give their people the permission of gun rights so they could fool the idea of democracy and freedom, but your government don't tell your people that a justified education and true knowledge is the true power of human rights, your government purposely fail that so no Americans would stand to your 'perfect' government as Dr. Martin Luther King. So the 'blind' could easily lead other true blind.---

WTF? Chinese discuting pig is going to teach americans what they should do? how about shut up and learn you dumb discusting chinese pig?

To Joan:

Yeahh. sure.. thats why they welcome paras and millitary in own streets.

To Dear Joan,

You are right, my love! We Chinese don't trust our central or local government. We don't allow traitors. Not like American government give their people the permission of gun rights so they could fool the idea of democracy and freedom, but your government don't tell your people that a justified education and true knowledge is the true power of human rights, your government purposely fail that so no Americans would stand to your 'perfect' government as Dr. Martin Luther King. So the 'blind' could easily lead other true blind.

To Anonymous and Proud American and Anti-Chinese

Oh, my fellow countrymen.
See our July 4th fireworks,
how great our nation shine
the sparks of our perfect ideal
as our dreams of our founding fathers
in the magnificent flash to illume our sky
in all kind of colors and shapes for our night,
but who knows in seconds they disappear
into a gun powder smoke, scattered by the wind
to the world from west to east and forever gone.
and the night over our sky still dark,
only our dreams in our unconscious mind,
continually glow as we sleep,
oh good dreams, my fellow countrymen.

- by China Wang

You feel free to copy and publish my 21th Century best American poem. Your daughter may want to marry me if she reads my poem.

The matter of fact is that people in the PRC are more critical of their central governments than westerns tend to believe. For instance, recently the central government made a deal with Japan on Eastern China Sea oil developments and the overwhelmingly majoarity Chinese are critical of the central government for betraying the national interest of China by signing that agreement. For another example, most Chinese were critical of the central government for being too weak on Xizang (Tibet) successionists. It is dangerous to generalize simply based on one incident which is local by nature and say that all Chinese trust the central government but not the local governments.

Representatives of the Dalai Lama and China made no headway on the status of Tibet in talks this week, an envoy of the spiritual leader said Saturday, describing himself as "disappointed."

"There is a growing perception among the Tibetans and my friends that the whole tactic of the Chinese government is to engage us to stall for time," said Lodi Gyari, who led the two-man team which met Chinese officials in Beijing.

"My colleague and I told our Chinese counterpart candidly that we ourselves are beginning to inch towards this school of thought."

Gyari and Kelsang Gyaltsen met with a series of Chinese officials on Tuesday and Wednesday for the seventh round of a dialogue process that was started in 2002 but broke off last year.

The recent events in Tibet clearly demonstrated the Tibetan people's genuine and deep-rooted discontentment with the People's Republic of China's policies," said Gyari, who briefed the Dalai Lama earlier Saturday.

"We had hoped that the Chinese leadership would reciprocate our efforts by taking tangible steps during this round," said Gyari at a press conference in the Tibetan exile enclave of Dharamshala, in India's Himalayan foothills.

"On the contrary, due to their excessive concern about legitimacy the Chinese side even failed to agree to our proposal of issuing a joint statement with the aim of committing both parties to the dialogue process."
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g4ilurbM15r8jaYxwLlayXg_z5_A

--Even European think that American are extremely loud, unnaturally fat, and shamelessly embarrassing.

chinese are worse.

To MLee,

you are one of clear-head Americans according to your speech, but only a few Americans like you. Maybe you should go pursue a political or media career in US, but I am afraid that sitting on the foundation of US government that built by greed, it is very very difficult to not to give up, because you will be discriminated by all those idiot head politicians who using your system as money machine, current US government is not as dreamable and amiable as period of Independence, that maybe a reason that US is current experiencing a down road from economical, political, global, and social, moral standard, and your kids are not educated as 50 years ago, everything in US is Marketing, which greed is the base. US government system is her own enemy, not other country; I hope Americans realize this as soon as possible, it is a pity to see a great country once held a great hope that going to become a dream never reachable.
In every family or nation, all corrupt from her inside, if American truly remain strong and faithful and righteous to others, who would dislike you or refuse your help?
Physician, heal thyself.

J Pomfret : >>The implication from the remonstrators was clear: the center – Beijing – is good, but it’s just been led astray by local apparatchiks....It is, I think, one of the perverse reasons why the Communist Party can maintain power in China. The Party has generally succeeded in creating this distinction between local and central authorities – even though none really exists.<<

I believe this is not a fair interpretation of the locals’ letters. I do not believe you can presume the opinions of the relatives extrapolate to be the opinions of 30,000 onlookers, many perhaps aggrieved in other ways. I do not believe you can so confidently simplify people’s opinions into “black and white.” This process is akin to westerners poll-taking : “Do you believe .... Please answer "Yes or No or I Don’t Know.” Such polls grossly simplify human nature and response into digestible form for the American public, which now seems incapable of understanding, acknowledging or appreciating the breadth and depth of human nature and response, particularly those of foreign peoples and cultures. “Axis of Evil” anyone ?

Second, I believe most Chinese mistrust their government, including the CPC, certainly far more than their American counterparts, who appear easily “misled” into supporting the Iraq invasion and occupation, surrendering their precious individual freedoms to telecommunication corporations, federal security agencies, and the like, because Americans on average lack the capacity or competence to analyze, rethink and solve global complex problems. Remember the US Congress’ response to American overdependence on cheap oil and surging oil prices - a $300 tax credit. Or Senator John McCain’s solution to oil addiction, pollution, and loss of US car manufacturing jobs - a contest worth $300 million in prize monies to whomever discovers a “better car battery”? This Chinese mistrust of the central government, however, was vastly diminished by the grossly simplistic and “wrong-headed” attacks by western activists, journalists and politicians over the Tibet March 2008 protests and riots. Westerners are now viewed suspiciously by many Chinese as ignorant, deceptive, hypocritical and/or possibly racist or at least dangerously xenophobic.

This brings me to the point that freedom and democracy are grossly over-rated and over-simplified by westerners to the point of incompetence. Democracy and freedom are only as good as the people who define them and put them to use in that complex process of filtration and implementation into real-world governance. If the Americans comprise the largest debtor nation in history, the most dangerously armed, the biggest military spender exceeding the next eight nations combined, the host nation to the subprime mortgage fraud and deceit resulting in global financial crises, the nation of gas-guzzling motor vehicles and “bottled water” consumption, most responsible for skyrocketing oil prices with rumored plans to attack Iran, the most overweight and prone to diabetes and related diseases, whose high school students have difficulty in finding Iraq on the global map, and whose unflagging resort to the phrase “freedom and democracy” as a cure-all for all ills and panacea for all problems of whatever scope and nature for all nations, peoples or cultures, the most inmates in prison, many of whom are black or hispanic, whose Supreme Court recently adopted an interpretation of the Second Amendment regarding gun control, going two hundred years backwards in time, demonstrate the alarming course, regression and loss of values once touted as the world’s beacon for hope and the future. The worst parts are how disillusioning Americans are in assessing their world-view and how clueless they now appear to be in going about seeking solutions.

Given the above, I do not see how one can so easily transgress two very different cultures with very different approaches and redefine a real world ideal like “pure official” that one or one’s children can aspire to be to metamorphose into a cure-all, sinicized “angel from heaven.”

To American Pride,

Even European think that American are extremely loud, unnaturally fat, and shamelessly embarrassing.
And sometimes they wonder the Americans can't even control their own overweight problem, how the hell are they going to solve the world issues. LOL:) I think they hold a good point.

Do what you must locally, but no more gatherings in the big square.

To American Pride:

--As Chinese, we are not going to become rich and filthy as soon as Americans, because our policy is not like US that seeks the benefit of their OWN people round everywhere in the world.--

Do you know how "rich" ordinary americans are? Or are you going to count Billionaires there?

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ixQlU1GeghWewhn1PFb2nZwzEPPg

---As American, they are so proud that God is on their side so they can rob from the world by their military dressing the cloth as world police,---

WAIT! What? Are you russian or are you chinese?

--holding the banner of Democracy, human rights while tearing other countries apart, so their oil business entering behind and pumping the third world countries like a cheap whole, for $1 per gallon, and they say "liberty march on!" but actually they never tell the world that their liberty is marching on with their guns and missiles. ---

one Word: DARFUR. Should i say another Keywords like Iran, Pakistan, Burma, Fiji, Angola, Zimbabwe... All countries where China "pumps out".

--How proud they should be that luring their young naive people into their military forces by promising them a bankrupt educational college fund, (it is more like you go shooting people outside then I pay you with a better life when you come back), while their political system is no democracy or republic, but oil business and other big fat ass organizations control their system and their people, and their screwed media is never free speech, because money is stacked into their throat, when every time there is some important news or issues would rip off another cover, they print Britney Spear to draw away people's attention,

Hey. It works well until now. poor people get education. Aside that have you even tryed to understand chinese forign politics in third world countires?

--what is so proud to fight every unjust war?--

Dont Know. but you should tell us about. because of north-Korea and Tibet.

--what is proud to set your military forces everywhere in the world and never get out?--

Lol. you know that without american Fleets chinese exports were impossible.

--what is proud to have your untrained soldiers to torture the POW of Iraq war?---

WHAT? TIBET DUDE, TIBET.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nangpa_La_killings

--what is proud when your government betrayed you and your sons? what is proud being a 'human right' banner carrier torture other people? what is proud that the whole world people dislike you? what is proud that you being American but never know your government works not for you but for some big companies? how proud you guys shot your own presidents and Doc. Martin Luther King? how proud you drop atomic bombs? how proud you guys illegally dragged American Japanese into labor camp by their look and race? how proud only your men could vote 100 year ago? how proud that black brothers were chained here to slave for your cotton? how proud 200 years ago land of American filled by native Indians and now all cleansed to almost no more? how proud you guys give Indians your casinos to shut their mouth and abandon their true religion, how proud you guys shooting off the Mormons...

Soo much Bullsh_it. I see you knows more about USA then about China. maybe you should stop to be a Paranoia Joe retard.

---Democracy, Freedom, Human Rights, Free Religion...
to you guys is just a illusion, and if you forget your own history and don't see your present matter clearly, you are easily to think that you are proud.---

Whahahahaha.. BLABLABLA..

your alternatives=rolling chinese tanks full with chinese paras.

---Maybe you should be proud for your stupidness, only in US, people using their freedom of speech to spread their hate, as of this year, Democrats present their leaders, Hilary and Obama, you never lack of any discriminating speech on women and black, have you read this site, how many you guys openly discriminating? Did Washingtonpost did anything, no, it is freedom of speech, you guys don't even know what is freedom of speech.--

Blablabla.. I'm still proud for USA.

----And your international policy is that you must live with an enemy, you guys can't even live without an enemy.

Who supported Ben Laden 20/30 years ago? Who supported Saddam Hussein? Why your used-to-be friends turned against you? You should be so proud the US government seeking their own benefit everywhere around the world, and now being an American cannot roam as you want to in Middle East and Africa.

Proud of what? bombing innocent people? tearing other countries apart? Sending your young soldiers to die? Turning your vague belief for economical benefit of your own people? No wonder all the developing countries rather fight civil war, would not want your government's 'helps'. Simply, They don't TRUST you, proud American.

Print my post, frame it, and hang it in your bed room, My brother, as a good gift from me.
---

Blablabla.. Still proud of USA.

JiaMing:

---I must say that Western thinkers like yourself are giving the system too much credit for building a just and properous society.--

Have you even smallest understanding of how many "thinkers" and ho different they are in the "West"?

---In the West, the system of democracy evolved out of its culture.---

Nope. thats a part of lifestyle. wich btw very popular in China.

--By the time democracy became a system of government, like in Great Britain, the people had already understood and practiced civil rights and democracy as part of their lives.---

gosh.. spoiler: you are not even close to the truth. i give you a tip go to the shool and learn about.

---The system of democracy is an institutionization of this culture that everybody understood.---

again BS.

---In the non-Western world, time and time again we see democracy shoehorned into different countries where the populations did not have the cultural foundation to practice democracy.---

LOL. what a BIG BS.

---Exercising the democratic responsibilities by individuals, particularly government officials, is more important than the system of elections, independent courts, separation of federal and local jurisdictions.---

another retarted BS.

---Without the basic awareness of the society's citizens is crucial to the success of a democracy.---

This awarnes is called practical critism.

---India, post-Soviet Russia, the Philippines, and many Sout American nations all practice democracy, but they all suffered from rampant corruption by government officials, particularly local officials.---

sorry but i do not understand your point here. what do you mean exsactly?

---In fact, democracy often exacerbates the problems because the rich can easy control the media to get their favorite candidates elected.---

Paranoia Joe is speacking here.

--The federal government is powerless to punish the corrupt local officials due to the separation of power.--

Thats a job of courts and police.

---Mainland China is walking the path of Japan, Taiwan and South Korea.---

BIG BS. Beside its a long acsepted fact that those 3 countries are Part of "The WEST".

---Lacking the intrinsic cultural nurishment for democracy that the West has, China chose to develop its economy first, giving the poor more wealth and the opportunity for education.---

BS. China chose nothing. Communist party chose it for China. Communist learned that if will proceed like in Mao time then China will colapse like Soviet Union. So chinese comunist desided to drop own idiology away and to start a walk to a millitary dictature with wild capitalism economy.

---When people become wealthier and emulate the lifestyle of the West, they also pick up the democratic culture of the West.---

BS. In China people will not became wealthier. They will became racistic nationalists with massive imperialistic indoctrination.

---When a critical mass of people possess such awareness, the system can then start to take shape and the way it is supposed to work.---

Already here. but it doesnt work because "China is big and has million of paramilitary police"

--To tell you the truth, that I hate the current government of China more than you guys here. My family, my grandpa and my father were persecuted by our own government, sitting in prison for years, torturing, my father now is US citizen, and he still hates communist party more than anything, and he loves US.---

typical idiot. "what i dont love i do hate it"

Hoping for "Blue Skies"

"Beijing banned more than a quarter million high-emission vehicles from its roads on Tuesday, part of a drive to curb pollution ahead of the Olympics.

Despite worries over pollution and chronic traffic problems, Beijing environmental protection bureau statistics showed 13 more blue-sky days in the first six months than a year earlier, the best figure in nine years."

http://www.china.org.cn/olympics/news/2008-07/02/content_15922169.htm

To tell you the truth, that I hate the current government of China more than you guys here. My family, my grandpa and my father were persecuted by our own government, sitting in prison for years, torturing, my father now is US citizen, and he still hates communist party more than anything, and he loves US.

But I cannot stand that some of you people setting Chinese together with communist party, and openly discriminating Chinese, not the government. Your view is a racist view, not a political view.

We as Chinese working for a better government, we don't lack people; but what we can't accept that some outsiders using our weakness to play their politics for their own benefit.

I was marching in 1989, but those young students mixed with local thugs and backed by a few foreign immature political persons, could only start a march and turned it into a turmoil, that none of student union could stop it for weeks, in the end, forced the army to be on street with each soldier only allow to have one bullet, students died, young soldiers died, both 20 years around age, and then all these outsiders ran back to their own countries and leaving Chinese died, our nation in shame, those outsiders they don't love China, they don't know China, they are not Chinese, they are not loyal to friendship with Chinese, only a few like Mr. John Pomfred. They could only do is discriminating Chinese by our weakness, when they stir a conflict and turmoil with any reason whether in Tibet, Beijing, Taiwan...., anyway, it is only Chinese will die, and then they can sit on their chair laughing, keep discriminating, that how bad is our government, how uneducated our people, so this way they become a better people than the rest of the world.
Too bad, your 'perfect government' is getting old like my dad, and I am younger, stronger, getting better as Chinese.
Before I read your post, I only felt my hatred toward my own government, but after reading you guys' discriminating words, I am forced by you to be a nationalist, and my American wife loves me.

I have come across an article that can help people see China more accurately. I think everyone should read it because it exposes certain facets of the communist party’s ways of censoring reality and justice. If we do not hear about this from dissidents willing to risk everything, then the CCP would effectively have repressed all knowledge of it’s crimes and would get away with it’s absolute abuse of power over China and people of the world.

The article is titled: The Last Hero of Tiananmen
by Philip P. Pan
How an aging doctor became the conscience of China.

As linked to on my blog, http://nomoreccp.wordpress.com/

Actually this story if from Philip Pans new book: OUT OF MAO’S SHADOW, The Struggle for the Soul of a New China

To Dear Anonymous:
You are so funny! You forget you don't even have bones, not even soft bone!

From Anonymous:
"sit! brave dog! who is chinese dog here? yes you are chinese dog here! brave chinese dog! here is your bone.."

To American Pride:

As Chinese, we are not going to become rich and filthy as soon as Americans, because our policy is not like US that seeks the benefit of their OWN people round everywhere in the world.

As American, they are so proud that God is on their side so they can rob from the world by their military dressing the cloth as world police, holding the banner of Democracy, human rights while tearing other countries apart, so their oil business entering behind and pumping the third world countries like a cheap whole, for $1 per gallon, and they say "liberty march on!" but actually they never tell the world that their liberty is marching on with their guns and missiles.

How proud they should be that luring their young naive people into their military forces by promising them a bankrupt educational college fund, (it is more like you go shooting people outside then I pay you with a better life when you come back), while their political system is no democracy or republic, but oil business and other big fat ass organizations control their system and their people, and their screwed media is never free speech, because money is stacked into their throat, when every time there is some important news or issues would rip off another cover, they print Britney Spear to draw away people's attention,

what is so proud to fight every unjust war? what is proud to set your military forces everywhere in the world and never get out? what is proud to have your untrained soldiers to torture the POW of Iraq war? what is proud when your government betrayed you and your sons? what is proud being a 'human right' banner carrier torture other people? what is proud that the whole world people dislike you? what is proud that you being American but never know your government works not for you but for some big companies? how proud you guys shot your own presidents and Doc. Martin Luther King? how proud you drop atomic bombs? how proud you guys illegally dragged American Japanese into labor camp by their look and race? how proud only your men could vote 100 year ago? how proud that black brothers were chained here to slave for your cotton? how proud 200 years ago land of American filled by native Indians and now all cleansed to almost no more? how proud you guys give Indians your casinos to shut their mouth and abandon their true religion, how proud you guys shooting off the Mormons...

Democracy, Freedom, Human Rights, Free Religion...
to you guys is just a illusion, and if you forget your own history and don't see your present matter clearly, you are easily to think that you are proud.

Maybe you should be proud for your stupidness, only in US, people using their freedom of speech to spread their hate, as of this year, Democrats present their leaders, Hilary and Obama, you never lack of any discriminating speech on women and black, have you read this site, how many you guys openly discriminating? Did Washingtonpost did anything, no, it is freedom of speech, you guys don't even know what is freedom of speech.

And your international policy is that you must live with an enemy, you guys can't even live without an enemy.

Who supported Ben Laden 20/30 years ago? Who supported Saddam Hussein? Why your used-to-be friends turned against you? You should be so proud the US government seeking their own benefit everywhere around the world, and now being an American cannot roam as you want to in Middle East and Africa.

Proud of what? bombing innocent people? tearing other countries apart? Sending your young soldiers to die? Turning your vague belief for economical benefit of your own people? No wonder all the developing countries rather fight civil war, would not want your government's 'helps'. Simply, They don't TRUST you, proud American.

Print my post, frame it, and hang it in your bed room, My brother, as a good gift from me.

Mr. Promfet,
I must say that Western thinkers like yourself are giving the system too much credit for building a just and properous society. In the West, the system of democracy evolved out of its culture. By the time democracy became a system of government, like in Great Britain, the people had already understood and practiced civil rights and democracy as part of their lives. The system of democracy is an institutionization of this culture that everybody understood. In the non-Western world, time and time again we see democracy shoehorned into different countries where the populations did not have the cultural foundation to practice democracy.

Exercising the democratic responsibilities by individuals, particularly government officials, is more important than the system of elections, independent courts, separation of federal and local jurisdictions. Without the basic awareness of the society's citizens is crucial to the success of a democracy.

India, post-Soviet Russia, the Philippines, and many Sout American nations all practice democracy, but they all suffered from rampant corruption by government officials, particularly local officials. In fact, democracy often exacerbates the problems because the rich can easy control the media to get their favorite candidates elected. The federal government is powerless to punish the corrupt local officials due to the separation of power.

Mainland China is walking the path of Japan, Taiwan and South Korea. Lacking the intrinsic cultural nurishment for democracy that the West has, China chose to develop its economy first, giving the poor more wealth and the opportunity for education. When people become wealthier and emulate the lifestyle of the West, they also pick up the democratic culture of the West. When a critical mass of people possess such awareness, the system can then start to take shape and the way it is supposed to work.

Whether the girl committed suicide or not, it's fairly clear now that the three teenagers involved were not related to the local big-wigs.

You relate the Weng'an case to the traditional 'blue sky' syndrome. For me, it reflects a more present problem, namely that local populace had so many complaints about the government that their anger often erupt on a scale that far outweighs the case at hand seemingly justifies.

BTw, I wonder how many of the 30,000 people were protestors, and how many were on-lookers.

comments posted on the public security ministry’s website on Friday, Mr Yang said: “As the Beijing Olympics draw daily closer, all kinds of anti-China and hostile forces are further intensifying their activities to create disturbances and carry out sabotage by any means.”

Meng Hongwei, another public security vice-minister, separately this week identified what he called the three main threats to the Games: international terrorists, separatists pushing for independence of China’s Xinjiang region, and “serious crimes”.

While Beijing has long seen the Games as a national “coming-out party”, the tone of much official discussion has stressed the need to maintain order.

China on Friday barred outspoken Hong Kong pro-democracy legislator Leung Kwok-hung from a group making a goodwill visit to earthquake-stricken Sichuan Province because of suspicions he might use the opportunity for political protest.

Mr Leung denied planning any protest and said the ban was “unpardonable”.

China has also recently introduced tougher identity checks for foreigners, an anti-narcotics crackdown in cities holding Olympic events and the installation of anti-aircraft missiles near Beijing venues

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/22eb9a82-49f7-11dd-891a-000077b07658.html

To pomfret:
I think this time you are only half wrong and half right. True, all Politics is Local in China. True again, Chinese are more longing the “blue sky” instead of western style of governing system. However, the riots last weekend in Guizhou province involving an estimated 30,000 people were indeed related to the thugs and goons in local governments, instead of that a girl was raped and killed by people related to local government bigwigs. The local party boss and Mayer were both fired by the governor. “The real reasons for the scale and violence of the protests were the suppressed anger at the behavior of local officials. He (i.e. the governor) cited the demeanor of local government officers in denying residents the economic benefits of mining (read, large scale corruption) and the use of force during the resettlement of migrants and forced demolitions to make way for development projects” (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1820345,00.html). This is in agreement with more and more news reports coming out of China, including those interviewing the girl’s boyfriend (a poor farmer’s son)and her family.

There are so much fear about terror attack on American soil that the Home Land Security Chief has issued yellow to red alert constantly. Border crossing is restricted. Foreigners without proper documents, especially Arab-looking people are arrested and deported to countries labelled as Human Right Abusers, to be tortured. The rights of citizens are constantly violated without proper oversight. WOW. What a country.

The Olympics are threatened by sabotage and unrest, a senior Chinese security official said in remarks reported on Friday, as authorities sacked officials after a riot in which a police headquarters was set ablaze.

The trouble in Guizhou province in the southwest on Saturday erupted despite China's determination to quell any signs of unrest ahead of next month's Games in Beijing.

Vice Minister of Public Security Yang Huanning told police officials that the Games would be a target for forces hostile to China's ruling Communist Party.

"The current international and domestic situation is full of complications," Yang told the meeting, according to the People's Public Security News.

"Especially as the Beijing Olympic Games draw near, a range of anti-China forces and hostile forces are striving by any means and redoubling efforts to engage in troublemaking and sabotage."

Yang, recently appointed to his post and called an "anti-terror expert" by official media, issued orders at a separate meeting to minimise the flow of aggrieved citizens journeying to Beijing to press petitions over official abuses, the China News Service reported.

China has taken sweeping steps to prevent any protests or violence during the Games, which begin on Aug. 8. The restive regions of Tibet and Xinjiang have been a particular target.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/PEK356706.htm

That is why I found trashing anything and everything American, is so much fun. Down USA. Americans are the worst kind of human.

President Bush on Monday lifted restrictions to allow firearms to be shipped to China for U.S. athletes competing in shooting events at the Olympic Games.

Bush also cleared the way for sending mobile high-definition television cameras embedded with military-grade gyroscopes to China for use by American filming crews.

Bush said the shipments will be approved on a case-by-case basis, and the equipment will be returned to the United States after the Games.

The restrictions are in place to bar the shipment of munitions and sensitive military equipment to China.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i50ytjOIbJybMFpwRoHLEpKuS8pwD91KLNM80

To discusting chinese pig Wang:

aehhmm. Can it bee that you already forgot that this is a posting in an american blog of an AMERICAN newspaper?

Wang:
--Bottom line is

What?

---Tibet is part of China as other 21 region.

Here is a little geographical and historical education for you:

China is a Part of PRC.(Peoples Republic of China)
Tibet is a Part of PRC.(Peoples Republic of China)
Tibet is not a part of China.

---For those who disagree, you may pick your choice to pay the price of your own life in China happily, or seek another country who would take you, so you may raise your voice faraway from China.---

how about you stop to tell other people in a forign countries what they have to do?

---How we solve our own problem is not concerned with you, go ask Mr. John Pomfred.---

actualy it is. because chinese bastrads are coming to our countries for asylum and better life. We want not to pay chinese nazi arrogance with our money and peace. We will concern about how you are going solve "problems".

---For those separatists, die dreaming in China or eslewhere, because you can't do nothing about it, we are not a weak nation as 100 or 50 years ago, while you still have breathe, unleash all your air, after another 20 or 30 or 50 years, China is going to be better and stronger with our young generations, where or what you would be, a handful dust, not even going to be recorded by history. Your life and dream and belief is just vanity.---

Blablabla. Sieg Heil my chinese nazi fellow!

---Nazi is history, But Anti-Chinese is currently presented by you racist people.
For you dreadful thing that do even have courage to tell world who you