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Soccer & China's Manhood

There’s been a lot written on how the 2008 Olympics are going to be China’s Olympics – and that China will use its prospective mother lode of gold medals to bolster national pride. Well, more than national pride, China’s collective manhood. But truth be told, most Chinese don’t give two fen about the Olympics. To be sure, they love the collective idea about the games, and China’s politicos will savor the international “face” that will accrue to the Mandarins in Beijing; but crew? or equestrian events? or baseball? These sports have no fans in China. None. Zilch. Ling

No, if you really want a sport that’s connected intimately to China’s manhood, its sense of itself as a successful nation, it’s soccer. Yes, futbol. Or zuqiu in Chinese, zu for foot and qiu for ball. Forget about ping pong or wu shu or the dragon boat race. Soccer is the national sports obsession of the Chinese.

And, what makes this all the more poignant, the Chinese team is horrible. Worse than horrible. On June 14, China was eliminated from qualifying for the World Cup by Iraq. Iraq!!! This year China scored a meager two goals in its five matches in its group. In all it’s the worst record China has compiled in its World Cup Asian Zone qualifying history. But it’s not like 2008 has been an unusually bad year. Since China resumed international competition in the late 1970s, China has only qualified for the World Cup finals once - in South Korea and Japan in 2002. And it was knocked out in the first round without scoring a goal.

How obsessed is China with soccer? Big time. Right now the European soccer championship is happening. Cruise the streets of old-town (or what’s left of it) Beijing at 3 a.m. and you’ll find the dudes out in front of the TV, t-shirts rolled up to expose their bellies to the cooling effects of the nighttime (extra-sooty) air. What are they doing? Watching European soccer.

Arguably the paper with the biggest circulation in China (not counting all the Communist Party rags that force Party members to buy a copy…hey, perhaps the Post should steal that idea) is a sports paper: Titan Sports (circulation at least 1.5 million). And, amazingly, it’s also semi-private – in a nation where the press is ALL supposed to be state-run. Other than Yao Ming (Titan has one correspondent based in the U.S. just to cover Yao), Titan focuses on soccer. It keeps correspondents in Italy, Spain, Britain, France, Germany, Argentina, Brazil. One of my Chinese classmates is a Titan correspondent in Rome. His nom-de-plume is Qiao Wanni. Say it slowly…CH-EE-AUUW WANNEEE…That’s Giovanni in Chinese.

And while China’s team stinks, the coverage is top-notch. China’s censors may have their grubby paws all over China’s hard news reporting, but its sports reporters have already experienced glasnost. To wit: they routinely break stories about corruption. Because of their reporting we know that at least half of the matches in China’s soccer leagues are fixed. Refs are totally corrupt. And the sports press routinely runs shots of players smoking cigarettes. The soccer press also goes after the government officials who are responsible for China’s team. After China lost last Saturday, Zhou Wenyuan – China’s Thomas Boswell or, better yet, its Red Smith – railed at the China Football Association, an official body, blaming it for the defeat. "CFA officials are only focused on how to move up the political ladder rather than how to develop at a grassroots level,” he wrote. “It's the most humiliating failure for China's soccer. It's also the most unforgivable failure." He and others accused CFA boss Xie Yalong of incompetence – something you’d never see a Chinese political journalist doing.

The way I see it: It takes some qiu to write about something so close to China’s manhood.

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Comments (134)

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Dario:

I suggest all of you,specially 'Anonymous' hold your breath for a moment and take the time to check for any signs of life in your brains and if not finding any, proceed in writing your illuminated comments,specially those offensive ones....

Jonathan Walton:

Iraq won the Asia Cup in 2007. They have one of the strongest teams in the traditionally weak Asian Football Confederation, along with Iran, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and Japan. The fact that they won the Asia Cup in 2007, despite the chaos going on in their country, was due to heroic efforts, sure, but Iraq beating China is not a surprise at all. If China had beaten Iraq, given how terrible the Chinese men's team is, that would have deserved exclamation marks.

Also, you forgot to mention that the Chinese women's soccer team has historically been one of the best in the world, though recently they haven't been quite as successful.

jin tian:

“We know that reunification with China is inevitable,” a Taiwanese friend told me recently. “The economy in Taiwan is not so good and many of our jobs are being transferred to China,” he explained. “Taiwan will have to cooperate with the mainland in order to maintain a healthy economy.” My friend told me these things with little conviction in his voice. While the Chinese government has consistently claimed that most Taiwanese people are in favor of reunification with the Mainland, my friend, like many other Taiwanese people I have talked to around the world, has stated that the vast majority of Taiwanese people want to maintain their independence from China.

“It simply isn’t true,” said a middle aged Taiwanese man who I met in Thailand when I asked him about the notion that most people in Taiwan support reunification. “We enjoy our life and our freedoms. This is our country.” He explained to me that there were many polls that had been conducted in Taiwan that clearly showed people’s resistance to any change in relations between Taiwan and the Mainland. We love China, his wife told me, but we do not want to go back.

On Friday, 100 Chinese tourists arrived in Taipei on the first regularly scheduled flight to Taiwan from the Mainland in nearly sixty years. In the past, passengers traveling between Taiwan and China had to make an inconvenient transit through another location such as Hong Kong or Japan; direct commercial flights were prohibited. Now, with regular charter flights scheduled, it will be less of a hassle for people to fly between Taiwan and China.

http://www.teachabroadchina.com/china-taiwan-flights-reunification/

AFP:

Sarkozy to attend Olympics despite opposition?

"French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who was told by the Chinese media earlier this week he wasn't welcome in Beijing next month for the opening ceremonies of the Olympic Games, will attend the event, French media reported"

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=e5d5e35d-e58d-4d78-a872-c5942dd36fde&sponsor=Xerox

Wen Jin:

---And I don't think French are welcomed in Africa, Middle East, lots of EU countries either, because they almost occupied the whole Europe without a soup some 200 years ago, people still can smell the French stinkness.--

lol. i smell butthurt discusting chinese nazi-pig.

Anonymous:

--We don't welcome anyone who is trying to break our nation.--

WHO IS "WE" HERE?

You cant ban someone who will not come. So another propaganda against european politicans will just force thenm to change politics at China. At moment every atack on sarkozy just piss european people on. Good luck when europeans start to close their markets for chinese trash.

--Besides cursing, what else you know?--

more as you, my dear butthurt weaboo.

AFP:

Bush to attend Beijing Olympics opening

Bush, who had always said he would go to the Olympics to encourage US athletes and did not want to use the competition to make a political statement, will first travel to South Korea and Thailand, said spokeswoman Dana Perino.

Perino said earlier that Bush was "pleased" that Beijing was holding talks with representatives of the Dalai Lama, Tibet's spiritual leader, but stressed that his attendance at the opening ceremonies did not depend on the outcome.

"And every time he talks to President Hu, he talks to him about the importance of having a good relationship there with a peaceful man, of the Dalai Lama, but also, for all of China, that it's good to open up and to have better relations"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080703/ts_afp/oly2008chinausbushattend&printer=1;_ylt=AteZIVC_U2IK1mwkTWV0r2qGOrgF

Anti-Anonymous:

To Funny Pervert Chinese Propaganda:

We don't welcome anyone who is trying to break our nation. Are you really that stupid to understand?:)
Even the whole French team don't have to come, which is better, I think. And I don't think French are welcomed in Africa, Middle East, lots of EU countries either, because they almost occupied the whole Europe without a soup some 200 years ago, people still can smell the French stinkness.

To Anonymous,

Besides cursing, what else you know?

Funny Pervert Chinese Propaganda:

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, apparently backing off a boycott threat, said Monday he could attend the Aug. 8 opening of the Beijing Olympics if talks between China and the Dalai Lama make more progress.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/06/30/europe/EU-GEN-France-Sarkozy-Olympics.php
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Looks like Chinese do now want more progress with tibetans:
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Chinese netizens have started a new round of anti-France campaigning, targeting French President Nicolas Sarkozy's threat to boycott the Beijing Olympics.

According to an online survey by www.sina.com.cn, a popular Chinese website, by Thursday morning more than 89 percent of the 173,527 respondents do not want Sarkozy to attend the Olympic opening ceremony.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-07/03/content_8482679.htm

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Ps. President Nicolas Sarkozy is not only a president of France he is still a President of European Union.

A Question is; Why do risk PRC comunists anger with whole EU because they will not acsept a relligious freedom and political will of own tibetan population?

Anonymous:

--
OMG, Chinese are waging their civil war on Washingtonpost:)---

yep. sound funyy but let me ask you one thing:

Where else can you talk with and about Chinese without to be hacked, atacked personaly and being sure that they will not publish your privat data and try not to kill you?

aeehhmm.. scratch that with "hacked" and "atacked personaly".

Anonymous:

--Guy:
Ah, you poor thing, being a Chinese but dreaming of being a British dog.--

Many time better to be "british dog" then oversea parasite-chinese like you.

---Maybe during the last century you offered your mother, your wife, and your daughters when British Battleship guns needed a throughly clean and polishing.---

Maybe. you know last centry was very hard time in China. people starved to dead or were killed by other chinese. To run into german or other forign embassies was a very good idea to save own life. Aside that british rule was ever better then comunist or own chinese. Let remember that time when chinese discusting pigs Chiang Kai-shek and Mao killed millions of Chinese and nonchinese to keep themselfes on power.

Btw. i heard your mother and grandmother did great job to earn some british money by doing them comfort in a bed. Maybe thats why you are follwing old chinese tradition and keep a chinese pig penis_s in your arse.

--Pity for you, Dear Anonymous.--

you can keep your pity in your a_rse. no need of it here.

---I feel so sorry for you, I think your parents are sorry for you too.---

hmm.. never heard that. whats about your mother of prostitute? is she proud that you, her incest son, can write and read after 15 years in the shool?

--Why you stay in Hong Kong, why not move to England, maybe English Embassy don't give you visa?--

Why not? dont tell me you tryed to do it already.

--Sure, if I were an English, I would want you be in my country for you are even not faithful to your own, you are completely sunk into your disgrace.--

If you were an English you were better educated and you were not in a such paintfull butthurt.

OMG:

OMG, Chinese are waging their civil war on Washingtonpost:)

Guy:

Ah, you poor thing, being a Chinese but dreaming of being a British dog. Maybe during the last century you offered your mother, your wife, and your daughters when British Battleship guns needed a throughly clean and polishing. Pity for you, Dear Anonymous. I feel so sorry for you, I think your parents are sorry for you too. Why you stay in Hong Kong, why not move to England, maybe English Embassy don't give you visa? Sure, if I were an English, I would want you be in my country for you are even not faithful to your own, you are completely sunk into your disgrace.

Anonymous:

---What's interesting that Ms. Sharon Stone is an American who wants break a part of China, and Mr. Jackie Chan is a Chinese--

Jacky Chan is a Hongkongnese not a Chinese.

---who represents unity of his own nation,--

He acsepted a ocupation of british Hongkong by chinese army. Jacky Chan is a betrayer of british and hongkongnese nations. Why should we belive his words then?

Guy:

What's interesting that Ms. Sharon Stone is an American who wants break a part of China, and Mr. Jackie Chan is a Chinese who represents unity of his own nation, I am sure he is good trusted friend for every other nation for he is pro-unity, maybe it is a bad karma that Ms. Sharon Stone being an outsider to mind other people's business:), and after, she apologized maybe for a personal income reason, where these people build their stand? On greed? They just use other people's weakness and turmoil to benefit for themselves. Very admirable!

Holly:

Move over Sharon Stone, here comes Jackie Chan!

Chan: "You cannot mix sports with politics. Olympics for me is love, peace, united. Every country when they have Olympics, a lot of people come out opposed."

Referring to pro-Tibet demonstrators, who halted the Olympic torch relay in London in April, he added: "I just want to say, please understand, they are just some naughty boys.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/2240004/Beijing-Olympics-2008-Jackie-Chan-slams-protesters.html?service=print

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

Thousands in Hong Kong urged Beijing to grant it greater democracy on Tuesday, with a recent furor over newly appointed political aides stoking perceptions of the unelected government's lack of accountability.

Large crowds of peaceful protesters marched through the bustling city's streets, huddling under umbrellas from the sweltering heat while brandishing colorful banners demanding everything from full democracy to racial equality and better welfare support.

The street demonstration comes at a time of rising inflation and a widening income gap for the former British colony's nearly 7 million people.

"Improve people's livelihood! Fight for Democracy!" chanted the crowds, while other banged on drums and sang songs.

Organizers said more than 40,000 people attended the July 1 rally, coming on the 11th anniversary of Hong Kong's return from British to Chinese rule in 1997, with attendance seemingly swelled by a recent controversy over new political appointees.

Police put the figure at 13,000 when the march began.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSHKG28642220080701

Wen Lee:


Like having a bad national soccer team is not embarrassing enough, now we have this fellow countryman Anonymous with broken English and foul language ……

Man, it’s tough to be Chinese nowadays.


Sorry, that “John” does not appear to be John Pomfret

Anonymous:

---He lived in China for many years.

Lol. and?

---His wife is Chinese.

should i pity him therefore?

---His son is half Chinese.

WHAHAHAHAHA.. wich half is it exsactly? right or left?

---He has written so many insightful stories about China.

So did Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Goebels and so on..

---He is not only an excellent journalist, but also a very good person.

are you talking about that John who justifies genozide on tibetans, mongols, Uyhurs and another small and big ethnics of PRC by talking that someone else did a same hunderts years ago?

Ho Ling:

Proposed changes to China's patent law will require ­foreign companies making discoveries in the country to file for a patent in China first or risk losing legal protection of their intellectual property.

The new requirement, which could become law this year, comes at a time when Microsoft and other foreign companies are setting up research centres in China and trying to expand sales in the market.

Another proposal involves the adoption of an "absolute novelty" standard that will make it hard to get a ­Chinese patent for inventions that are already in use overseas.

Together, the proposed legal changes "will make it more challenging for foreign companies inventing in China", said Elliot Papageorgiou, a patent law expert in the Shanghai office of Rouse &?Co, an intellectual property consultancy.

However, he said that the new law would also "make it easier to challenge rogue Chinese patents", an outcome that foreign companies should welcome.

Foreign companies and chambers of commerce have submitted comments on the draft legal amendments to Beijing but declined to discuss their feedback.

Most western countries also have a "file first at home" rule but the penalty for failing to do so will be tougher in China. If foreign companies fail to register Chinese discoveries first in China, rivals will be able to challenge the validity of any subsequent domestic patent and potentially block sales in the local market.

http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=591030

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To Wen Lee I think John is a racist. He is failed to make his point. Instead to make own point clear he started to tell everyone what they have to think and how they have to behave.

Here is not chinese mainland and we HAVE RIGHT to tell what we think and how we feel. It was John (under another nicknames) who started with personal atacks on other people. So i do not wounder when people start to insult and atack him back.

Wen Lee:

Why would somebody call John a racist?

He lived in China for many years. His wife is Chinese. His son is half Chinese. He has written so many insightful stories about China. He is not only an excellent journalist, but also a very good person.

Anonymous, you should be ashamed of what you said.


Anonymous:
to John

fuc_k you and your nazi sh_it. go and kill yourself you discuting chinese pig

Anonymous:

to John

fuc_k you and your nazi sh_it. go and kill yourself you discuting chinese pig.

John:

To Anonymous,

This last time I post on this page, so here is my final notice for you.

I suggest you read your current passport,

If you are Chinese, then you are a traitor, bring shame to your nation and your people, and chewing the grace of other nation and government like worm, maybe one day you would also betray the country you are dwelling in right now. Please don’t come back home if you don’t repent, find a good grave elsewhere to rest your separation dreams, sleep well, my countryman.

If you are not Chinese, then you better find a job of your own business; you don’t even have rights to talk about Chinese business.

John:

To Anonymous,

This last time I post on this page, so here is my final notice for you.

I suggest you read your current passport,

If you are Chinese, then you are a traitor, bring shame to your nation and your people, and chewing the grace of other nation and government like worm, maybe one day you would also betray the country you are dwelling in right now. Please don’t come back home if you don’t repent, find a good grave elsewhere to rest your separation dreams, sleep well, my countryman.

If you are not Chinese, then you better find a job of your own business; you don’t even have rights to talk about Chinese business.

Anonymous:

The Chinese say that Tibet became a part of the Chinese empire when the great Mongol Genghis Khan annexed Tibet (most parts of it) in the early 13th century. It is a strange logic, because taken to its logical conclusion, one could argue that China is a part of Mongolia and does not deserve to exist as an independent nation. Secondly, why are the Chinese not claiming a quarter of Europe, Russia and the whole of West Asia (Middle East) and Central Asia since these also constituted the Mongol empire of Genghis Khan?

The problem with the Chinese version of history is where to draw the line. After all, it is also a fact that the pre-Mongol history of Tibet was militarily glorious. In the eighth century, the Tibetan empire was expanding at such a pace that at one time the then Chinese emperor had to flee his capital and a Tibetan nominee was put on the Chinese throne! Peace was restored in the year 821 with the conclusion of a Treaty, which laid down clearly the boundaries between China and Tibet. It read: "Tibet and China shall abide by the frontiers of which they are now in occupation. All to the East is the country of Great China; and all to the west is, without question, the country of Great Tibet…."

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14704383

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

More than 130 athletes have signed an open letter asking the international community to pressure Sudan for a truce during the Olympics, the activist organization Team Darfur announced at a news conference in Washington on Tuesday.
“The Olympics has a great tradition and a great history of being a force for unity and peace in the world,” said Joey Cheek, who won a 2006 gold medal in speed-skating. He is Team Darfur’s president and co-founder; the group brings together athletes to raise awareness of the Darfur crisis.
Together with Mia Farrow’s group Dream for Darfur, Team Darfur was asking world leaders, and particularly China, to force a 55-day truce in Sudan.
The proposed 55 days would begin a week before the Olympics, on Aug. 1, and conclude on Sept. 24, a week after the Paralympic Games closed.
Dream for Darfur proposed several elements for the truce period: it wanted the Sudanese government to cease air and ground attacks; to allow aid workers and United Nations peacekeeping forces into the region; and to cooperate with a high-profile mediator backed by the U.N. and the African Union.
http://olympics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/athletes-announce-open-letter-on-darfur-and-olympic-truce/?hp

Anonymous:

--Well, I am sorry that my speech really threw you off the course.--


lol. not even close. your trolling is failed.

aside that you are still a racist and a neo-nazi.

John:

To Anonymous and Proud Anti-Chinese,

Well, I am sorry that my speech really threw you off the course.

I have already stated a part of history and opinion as a Chinese, and again I don't really hate anyone, no matter how you disrespect me and others.

When I said I don't like you people that you people stereotype other, I mean exactly every people who fit in this term, not by color, nor by country, but by what they think as you do, but there are really a few. Unless you already somehow categorized as your ideal group, otherwise how you choose your post name as Anti-Chinese?

Let me quot you:
chinese kolonial arse out of East Turkestan, Tibet, Mongolia, Manchuria!!

Too bad, all of above are Chinese:) and I am one of Manchurians, just like Baijingese, Hongkongese (Hong Kong Recently returned from English Government), Taiwanese, Shanghaigese, Cantonese, Tibetan, Mongolian... sigh, too many, but we are are all Chinese.

We may speak different dialect, but one nation, since Qing Dynasty.

You cannot move into your neighbor's house or backyard, and set a flag, and claim this now is your house and your land, because you and your family just move in; however you are more than welcome to leave as soon as possible. Nor you can cut a country into two pieces by a wall, as East Germany and West Germany, how long took those heroic Germans to break the wall?

Go back review your world history book, but one truth I will tell you, no part of China will be separated again, because 100 years ago we were forced by some people from west(of course, there were many good people from west too), but still, all people did not like it, because more Chinese died of civil wars, foreign arms... Chinese and Chinese Government guarantee that, because every government must protect her own people and land.

We lived through worst period, and our former generation crawled to now, and there were only a few traitors in China, so that is why we are still a complete nation, and our leaders in civil wars never took other foreign government suggestion as south China and North China, nor they sign any agreement or document that Tibet, or Manchuria, or Xinjiang province, or Taiwan, Yunnan, or Hong Kong to other country or break off her nation, I respect the both side that they'd rather be shot dead by their brother, nor they would sell our land to cause troubles for future generations, not like the empress of Qing, singed Hong Kong and Macao to be borrowed for 100 years.

One thing as a Chinese, we thank Heaven that even though Chinese experienced over 100 year wars due to some outside colonization forces since the end of Qing, and many died during this 100 years to unify China, right now our land is pretty much remained complete, and future outlook is better and better because we are people of peace, the meek ones inherit the earth from God.

We suffer discrimination since foreign colonized period as of "Chinese and dogs are not allowed", and some Olympic Torch Incidents in Europe, and CNN's Issues, as some of you call Chinese pigs, fine with me, most people have bigger heart than our former generations.

For every nation must live up to the hope of their own people that she could nurture them in land of peace and unity.

Ps. leave our nation to us, let Chinese mange our own nation. Next time if you want to separate China, don't cry out your lungs far away, be a true hero as your words, go to Beijing and march on Tienanmen Square, make sure Chinese hear you loud and clear, learn from our former unifiers that marching right in front the guns of foreign colonizers, learn from our young college students who had guts of Chinese Tradition, then you may earn some respect from Chinese and our government. Otherwise, you are just another loser and coward without balls nor seeds that no woman wants to marry, and will never have love and faith to accomplish anything, definition of shame.

Again I don't hate you, really I don't, there are only very few people like you due to lack of education, read more books my friend, it is good for you and your nation.

And I am not going to waste more time on you, peace, wish all the best for you and your family.

Truce:

Athletes Press for Olympic Truce in Darfur Region

"A coalition of activists demanding an end to bloodshed in Darfur, Sudan, says the truce must go from concept to reality. They want a 55-day ceasefire in Darfur that would allow aid workers and international peacekeepers to enter to region while diplomatic efforts continue in search of a lasting peace."

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-07-01-voa69.cfm?renderforprint=1

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

But with a little more than a month to go until the games, a whole different kind of challenge is cropping up: A forest of blue-green algae is choking the coastal waters, suffocating beaches and lying in thick layers along sailing routes.

Authorities have ordered an all-out drive to catch it, clear it, and block any more drifting into the area.

"We have stressed ... that the priority should be given to the Olympic venue," the official Xinhua News Agency quoted Yuan Zhiping, an official with the Qingdao Olympic Sailing Committee, as saying.

City officials say they'll need at least two weeks to clear coastal waters, mobilizing 10,000 workers aboard 1,000 boats. It wasn't clear how they planned to block other algae from drifting in.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/4/story.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10519575

Anonymous:

--I don't support any government, even roman catholic, and church of English, and any other religion group all did a lot of bad deeds thru human history,--

discustin chinese pig is belive he can judge other cultures and relligions.

_what I don't like is you people, or people like you use your own stereo type to categorize others like you are a high race--

i smell a racist with inferior comlexes here.

--As Chinese, we only wanted to protect our own country as unity that separated by foreign invasion since the end Qing Dynasty, about 1900, which was later than civil war of US, what is wrong with that?--

move you fu_cking chinese kolonial arse out of East Turkestan, Tibet, Mongolia, Manchuria!!

--I like every body--

FU-ck you and your "love" you arrogant piece of s_hit!

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

---You are a Racist, whoever you are, you bring shame to your own country, your own family, because from your name you already tell the world that you are racist, for you do not define people by a whole as human being, nor you define people by individual.--

LOL. here we go. Chinese racist going to call other people racist. I pity you.

John:

To PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

Have you ever thought clearly about your Post Name, PROUD ANTI-CHINESE?

You are a Racist, whoever you are, you bring shame to your own country, your own family, because from your name you already tell the world that you are racist, for you do not define people by a whole as human being, nor you define people by individual.

I have friends from all nations and cultures, and I've never met a person who still spreading racism in 21st Century.

If you were anti Chinese Government or Communist Party, then go head, maybe you would have a lot Chinese as friends, but too bad, your name is Anti-Chinese, I am sure you don't even have a true friend in your life, any kind as how you categorized, according to how you pick your post name.

I am okay if you are a racist, because everyone in the 21th Century world is bigger than that, you are free to hate anyone, it's your life. Maybe you should buy a shirt, put your post name in front and on you back, lets see how your non-Chinese neighbors would think about you, I do respect your backbone if you can do that for your whole life:)

But I am very happy that I'm friendly to everyone, as a common Chinese, don't hate anyone, not even you who hate me, never looked at myself better than anyone or a proud righteous one, maybe it is a culture thing, in peace!

Very glad!

Ps. The gravest problem is now global warming / weather change, I really hope all governments could really start working a plan and enforce it, because everyone is guilty on that, while we still fighting for the front seat that no one realizes that we are stepping on and driving to hell.

John::

To great dude of justice:

I don't support any government, even roman catholic, and church of English, and any other religion group all did a lot of bad deeds thru human history,

what I don't like is you people, or people like you use your own stereo type to categorize others like you are a high race, or first world country, because you grandpa generations, used battle ships, and fire guns, opium, and your Holy Bible as Word of God to invade other countries, and like a rapist that raped other countries and then broke them in smaller pieces, and left with a dirty leftover, while other countries picking up all the left over pieces, and you had some to say about other government, did not US dropped A-Bomb to Japan? How many people died for religion difference? Did Chinese in history ever went to Holy War? Caused Middle East conflict.

As Chinese, we only wanted to protect our own country as unity that separated by foreign invasion since the end Qing Dynasty, about 1900, which was later than civil war of US, what is wrong with that?

Have read history, the world's political struggles are all created by 18, 19 century colonized aggressions, from Africa, to middle east, to asia,
which government did not persecute people?

There are many things we don't want to hold, as Chinese we forgive, but it is too difficult for us to forget, because there always some people push on the nerve.

What I don't like is some people in the world using all kind of reason to screw others so they can live a better life, as they are God blessed, or first world countries, or they are better nation, or civilized, strange the most civilized hold most weapon, sold most weapon, and hiding from Democracy to cause all the troubles in other countries, (compare with your fact, who fought most of the wars in 20 and 21 century?) and still stand as righteous one, amusing:)

Jesus said: "Judge the tree by its fruits", Chinese want peace and unity only, our world and life view is Harmony from Confucius, if your grandpa generation did not bring your gun and battle ship to develop Asia two or one hundreds years ago, we are fine.

I don't think anyone should judge people by country, color, or government, but there are some just never let go their sinful and dumb ideas.

Learn quick, learn from your government, repent,
stop calling names and hiding behind religion to earn your own dues.

I like every body, but I just cannot stand some people trying to 'teach' others how to live,
mind your own things -Buddha
Judge others so you be judged -Jesus
The Emperor does not wear any cloth -? guess who:)

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

The country's crises could not be more untimely: China is facing political unrest, rows with the outside world, high inflation and social tension just as it is preparing to host the Olympics in little over the month.

And only a week before he is to set to attend the G8 summit of the world's seven leading economies and Russia in Toyko, China's President Hu Jintao has other things on his mind than the world food crisis and climate protection.

Crisis management is called for at home. The government is facing concerns that China's domestic problems will just be too much - and this worry is growing even though the official propaganda is doing its best to present the government's quick response to the recent disasters as a sign of its enormous capabilities.

To begin with, catastrophic snowstorms hit southern China in January, with aid taking a long time. Yet more crises were to follow fast. In March, Tibetans staged protests against Chinese rule, under the watchful eyes of the world community.

Then, clashes during the Olympic torch run triggered a national counter movement that was further fanned by communist party propaganda.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/asiapacific/features/article_1414334.php/China_faces_ever-ending_crises_ahead_of_G8_Olympics

Truce:

"Even during times of war and battle, and differences were put aside, so that the Olympics would be conducted in a peaceful manner. Even the games of 480 BC took place in the middle of the Persian War.

It is from this ideal that the Olympic Truce was formed."

http://www.aroundgreece.com/ancient-greece-history/olympic-games-greece.php

great dude of justice:

To John.

---Next time when you trying to separate other people's family and nation, first do it to your own family, and nation, marry your mother to someone else, divorce your wife, and break your own family apart, so you will feel how hundreds years wars by foreign invaders will do to your own generation's and family, not to mention your are the seed of global robbers, and has the gene with sinful deeds, go to your national museum, see how many treasures your ancestors robbed from the global!--

soo you are going to tell us that chinese bastards never tortured, killed, ruined and commit genozide in the world? maybe you should go to own national museum and learn more about own history.

John:

To Jed Clampett,

First, this is soccer page.
second, in every turbulence of a nation's history, the separation is united not by democracy, but by force that led by a national hero or villain.

As a Chinese, we believe peace and unity of any country, if your country in a state of civil war, then you will understand the passion of unity, not as some other countries always trying to divide their neighbor by selling the weapon to both side.

I assume you are in US. then what is your stand of Civil War? Is Mr Abraham a unifier, dictator, or separator? I guess you are pro-south, just as your grandpa did, ain't it? Just as the English Government and French Government did supported the South some two hundred years ago.

Whether Mugabe chose to do with his governing method includes unavoidable human fault, as any leader of any country, but don't you ever blame on any group of people as whole, how's Iraq war? What is your stand on that, my friend?

If any people support their government, then why government need politics, policy force, and army?

But on everyone' stand, a nation is family, that her enemies are always trying to break her in species.

Next time when you trying to separate other people's family and nation, first do it to your own family, and nation, marry your mother to someone else, divorce your wife, and break your own family apart, so you will feel how hundreds years wars by foreign invaders will do to your own generation's and family, not to mention your are the seed of global robbers, and has the gene with sinful deeds, go to your national museum, see how many treasures your ancestors robbed from the global!

John:

Losing is China Soccer's Tradition, and Chinese Soccer Identity. Which is very good for all Chinese people that's how we practice humility as one of our ancestor's life principal, as a Chinese, and tortured by Chinese Soccer historical, present, and future experiences, we feel no more embarrassed about our impotent stature on soccer, even though, soccer is national sport, and deeply loved by every Chinese, the only thing is that we feel shamed about how our players that demonstrate no-humility about what they do, and they are even proud to compare themselves as athletes, which gravely influenced younger generation about attitude of life. So many times, I shed tears for them, when I watch other Chinese Olympic athletes and most of women athletes that they live up a hero life, which daily spend in sweat and humility, but never for Chinese soccer players, nor the Chinese Soccer Organization, their laziness, shamefulness and amusement really deeply hurt very Chinese Soccer fans, so as a typical Chinese, and a soccer fan, I refused to watch Chinese National Team, or Chinese League since teenage years, and to be a truly soccer fan, which immersed in all global league, cup, and competition, and chant and praise the beauty of soccer with any other national, local team in one pulse, and I thanks Chinese National Team, it is their losing that truly pushed me to become a true Soccer Fan, without boundary as other every Chinese too, and I am proud as Chinese Soccer Fans, that every weekend, we watch all the European Leagues, South American games, and enjoy the beauty of soccer.

John:

Losing is China Soccer's Tradition, and Chinese Soccer Identity. Which is very good for all Chinese people that's how we practice humility as one of our ancestor's life principal, as a Chinese, and tortured by Chinese Soccer historical, present, and future experiences, we feel no more embarrassed about our impotent stature on soccer, even though, soccer is national sport, and deeply loved by every Chinese, the only thing is that we feel shamed about how our players that demonstrate no-humility about what they do, and they are even proud to compare themselves as athletes, which gravely influenced younger generation about attitude of life. So many times, I shed tears for them, when I watch other Chinese Olympic athletes and most of women athletes that they live up a hero life, which daily spend in sweat and humility, but never for Chinese soccer players, nor the Chinese Soccer Organization, their laziness, shamefulness and amusement really deeply hurt very Chinese Soccer fans, so as a typical Chinese, and a soccer fan, I refused to watch Chinese National Team, or Chinese League since teenage years, and to be a truly soccer fan, which immersed in all global league, cup, and competition, and chant and praise the beauty of soccer with any other national, local team in one pulse, and I thanks Chinese National Team, it is their losing that truly pushed me to become a true Soccer Fan, without boundary as other every Chinese too, and I am proud as Chinese Soccer Fans, that every weekend, we watch all the European Leagues, South American games, and enjoy the beauty of soccer.

Jed Clampett:

Ever notice how Mugabe wears that funny little mustache that covers only the little space below his sceptum?
Ever notice that kind of mustache on another totalitarian, war mongering enslaver of people? Who in history, perhaps around a half century ago, had such a character and pompousness about him that he'd have the impetus to manipulate and divide and conquer his own people, then lead them in a path to self destruction?
You see, that spirit of evil that took germany in the 1930's is still alive and well on earth. Killing one human does not destroy or even slow down the machine that has made itself ubiquitous on our world.
Mugabe is merely the most recent encarnation of evil in the world. Anyone who chooses to do business with him and take advantage of the exploitative conditions he has set up for his people in order to further enrich himself and his cronies is helping the enemy of man make itself more powerful in the world.
Every day that the people of Zimbabwe remain hostages and slaves of this regime, the more emboldened the spirit of evil will become. Eventually engulfing the region in more death and destruction.
I guess china will be proud then, it will be able to sell mugabe all the weapons he wants in order to help destroy humanity.

You Chinese must be so proud that your leadership has made your nation into one of the heads of the 7 headed beast that has earth in it's grasp. If you were a true human that cared for the world and it's inhabitants, would you help that maniac become stronger?

Anonymous:

After talks with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that also covered Taiwan, Tibet and North Korea, China's foreign minister said Beijing favors negotiations between Mugabe, who was sworn in for a new term Sunday, and the opposition.

"The most pressing path is to stabilize the situation in Zimbabwe," Yang Jiechi told reporters at a news conference with Rice. "We hope the parties concerned can engage in serious dialogue to find a proper solution."

"China hopes the international community, African countries in particular, can a play a more constructive role in this regard," he said. "China as a responsible country will also play a constructive role in this process." After his swearing-in, Mugabe promised talks with the opposition.

Yang stuck to a position that China, one of Zimbabwe's chief friends and trading partners, long has held. But his comments came just after Rice had spent a significant amount of time making the case for the Bush administration's new push to pressure Mugabe, officials said.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hKO6E2Vs5MktD_-DXHsbQ6tnT1-QD91JT0LO0

hmm... nice fotos..

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

About 10,000 people rushed to the site and totally burned down the county party office building, and burned other offices in the county government."

"They also burned about 20 vehicles, including police cars," the official, surnamed Huang, said.

Huang said residents were angered when authorities declared the girl had killed herself by jumping in the river.

Residents believed the girl had been raped and murdered by a relative of a senior government official.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKPEK27256220080629

holyjoly:

Students from the United States wrote letters to China to pay their respect and gratitude to top Chinese leaders and convey their care and wishes to quake-hit Chinese fellow kids ahead of the Children's Day.

"I want very much to say thank," said Hannah Rudoff, a student from the Department of Chinese Studies at the Portland International School, Oregon, in a letter to Chinese President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao.

"Dear Grandpa Hu and Grandpa Wen, your love to the quake-affected in Sichuan has again won worldwide respect for China, I hope all the leaders of other countries can also make it this way in their administration," wrote 12-year-old Hannah, who has witnessed the May 12 disaster and the rescue and relief afterwards via television and the Internet.

Hannah said she was deeply touched by those scenes from television showing Hu and Wen bringing confidence and courage to those unfortunate in quake zone. "I admire your people-first style and selfless spirit, and I pay my respect to you!"

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-06/03/content_8306775.htm

WC2010:

FIFA reject Iraq's calls to expel Qatar in qualifiers

"Iraq, who were dumped out of the competition on Sunday after a late goal by Qatar Sayd Ali Bechir, claimed the participation of Brazilian-born Emerson in Qatar's qualifying campaign was illegal.

However FIFA, who have since banned Emerson, said Iraq's complaint was filed too late and ruled that Qatar could keep their place in the final round, the Asian Football Confederation said."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldFootballNews/idUKBKK33894420080625

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

Just before going offline, which I more or less still am, I talked about the many and mysterious ways in which Chinese officialdom is doing its best to screw up the Beijing Olympics. There is a minor risk to the Games as an athletic contest, since officials waited until the very last minute to deal with hyper-polluted air (ie, air still getting worse as of the time I left Beijing six days ago). There is a major possibility that the event will be a general embarrassment to China, because of the crude and increasing efforts to "control" every aspect of their presentation -- which in practice means scrutinizing reporters more carefully, making it harder for foreigners of any sort to get into the country, etc. Detail in original post.

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/06/this_will_teach_me_to_be_wry_f.php

Anonymous:

Less than a week before the inauguration of regular cross-strait charter flights, three Chinese tourists were reported to have run away from their hotel in Jhongli on Friday morning, the second instance this year of Chinese tourists illegally abandoning their approved itinerary.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2008/06/29/2003416069

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

China doubles the price of its tourist visas ahead of OlympicsCommunist state 'outsources' operations and adds to the entry difficulties for travellers and gap-year students

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jun/28/consumeraffairs

NBA:

Basketball giant Yao Ming is back in China to get ready for the Olympics!

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/2008-06/26/content_6798461.htm

TRUTH:

For the most part, to be great at soccer you have to have real "passion." That is why the best countries in the world are latin in origin. Brazil, Italy, Argentina, Spain, Portugal, France, etc... Chinese have anger when in greater number, but that is not "real" passion. They are also not very graceful, ever see Chinese dance especially compared to Latin or Eastern Europeans? A real joke. And Chinese porn, strippers or hookers, talk about not much better the a dead body attached to a car battery. Plus the lack of height and real physical presence? Has anyone felt afraid of a chinese person unless out number 5 to one and they have weapons? Plus, we all know chinese manhood is all about the strange animal parts they eat to make their manhood work or last or bigger. Tiger penis soup, shark fin soup, bear gaul blatter, etc....

Anonymous:

--Although perhaps not the most visible on TV, martial arts-- tai chi, kung fu, etc. will ALWAYS be the most important sports in China, and certainly sports that are most representative of Chinese culture.--

thats BS.

first of all; martial arts are not sport.
second; tai chi is a part of "kung fu".
third; taichi is not a sport in china it is more health care gymnastic. btw in China more people dance then learn taichi. Qigong is a same heaöth care gymnastic like taichi.

Sports and Politics can mix:

International Olympic Committee warns Bejing not to mix politics with sport, after Tibet's Communist Party boss Zhang Qingli said "We will certainly be able to totally smash the splittist schemes of the Dalai Lama clique," during a ceremony marking the end of the Olympic torch relay in Lhasa.

http://uk.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=UKPEK28419520080626

Ronald:

Why are there some many Chinese hater in the West, especially the media, read this link:
http://time-blog.com/china_blog/
Why so many oversea Chinese brought up in the West defend China
Read this link:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1813778,00.html
As for so-called Liberal Democracy, I think it is an over-rated political system deemed to fail by corruption and incompetence.
So much so for Western cultural superiority. LOL

Li Dan:

This article is wrong. BASKETBALL is moreso a national obession in China than soccer...and undoubtedly it will become even more of an obession in the next 10 years as China continues to improve its own basketball league and also as more Chinese players go to the US.

(note to Pomfret: OFCOURSE PEOPLE IN BEIJING ARE WATCHING THE EURO CUP (I live in Beijing too), BUT I GUARANTEE JUST AS MANY WERE WATCHING THE ROCKETS PLAY A FEW WEEKS AGO)

Although perhaps not the most visible on TV, martial arts-- tai chi, kung fu, etc. will ALWAYS be the most important sports in China, and certainly sports that are most representative of Chinese culture. Although you may not think about martial arts as integral to sporting events people sit around and watch on TV (then again, martial arts are everywhere in many Chinese movies) this is with good reason, as usually Chinese are too busy actually doing martial arts!!(I wish people in other countries would follow this trend, rather than slobs who often can't play sports making fantasy this and fantasy that teams)

Jed Clampett:

Well, it seems that China's interest in the Olympics is only as a PR ploy, not to actually host the games and have visitors learn about the country.
It is being reported that the CCP is denying visas in large numbers to turists, businessmen, etc. Restrictions in Beijing are being implemented all over the city. Looks like if you wanted to go to China to experience the country instead of being shuttled from the hotel to the venue and back you will be sadly dissapointed. China will make you understand what it is like to have a totalitarian regime control everything you do or see in the country.

If you truly had an interest in the olympics, I suggest you watch on TV. It will be more enjoyablethan what the CCP will put you through, better enjoy your vacation in europe or latin america. Leave China for after it has extricated itself from the grips of the exploitative dragon, the CCP, that holds the good chinese people in slavery.

No wonder China approves of Mugabe's enslavement of the Zimbabwean people. The governments both answer to the same master... the enemy of humanity.

Anonymous:

The FIFA World Cup, occasionally called the Football World Cup, but usually referred to simply as the World Cup, is an international association football competition contested by the men's national teams of the members of Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA), the sport's global governing body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Football_Confederation

Anonymous:

And yes, China has had diffculties qualifying for the world cup, but when you consider that Asian has 40+ nations competing for 4.5 seats.... c'mon

900 millions of people cant find good football players and trainers? c'mon. be serious.

Mike:

Lohengrin:

The problem with soccer is that they never score. It is the only game where you can end up 0-0 in the world cup and the outcome determined by penalty kicks. What a big yawn.

I have one suggest for the game: Get rid of the goalie or at least make sure that he can't use his hands. Then you might see something interesting.

-Thank you for confirming your ignorance about soccer. We don't see many 0-0 games. I guess you've missed all of the UEFA tourney.

Jeanette:

Honestly, losing to Iraq is not a huge upset seeing as Iraq was the AFC(AFC is like the World Cup of Asia, held every 4 years- Wiki it) champ in 2007. It isn't a great team, but the Chinese have won the AFC and have routinely reached the final stages of the AFC.
You might also want to note that recent Asian entrant Australia also lost to Iraq in the 2007 AFC, Iraq !!!!!!!!
And yes, China has had diffculties qualifying for the world cup, but when you consider that Asian has 40+ nations competing for 4.5 seats.... c'mon. In comparison, 53 European nations are competing for 13 places.

Your commentary is a drama heavy don't you think? You might also want to familiarise yourself to the game of football too. Try ESPN, the uefa(European Championships) semis are on this week.

Anonymous:

__Taekwondo, the Korean martial art, is another Olympic sport of Asian origin.

and?
Chinese Wushu will still never be an olympic sport.

eric kong:

reply to Anonymous
which have more influence.something you watch
for 9 hour per day or read 15 minutes per day.
anyway nobody is buying newspaper any more, most people get their new from the wed. I stop buying newspaper 4 year ago.

BigPapi:

Taekwondo, the Korean martial art, is another Olympic sport of Asian origin.

papa bear:

@china2008:

I don't think I've ever read a more unintelligible response in my life.

This article did about zero research because basketball is just as popular as soccer in China. Then again I'm not sure this article had much of a point other than to say that soccer is popular in China.

Uh...hello, welcome to just about the entire world save for the US, Canada, Australia, India & Venezuela and a few other nations.

Anonymous:

"Wushu Seeks to Become Olympic Sport"
http://www.china.org.cn/english/2001/Dec/24469.htm

will never happen..

Rules of Soccer:

The rules of the modern game of Soccer is owned by an international organisation, mostly European.

Moving on, Olympic sports also include Archery, which was used everywhere in the ancient world, East and West. Currently, the South Koreans are the Olympic Archery champions.

Judo is also an Olympic sport.

"Wushu Seeks to Become Olympic Sport"
http://www.china.org.cn/english/2001/Dec/24469.htm

Anonymous:

lowly:
Do the Chinese have any Chinese games they care about? We know they invented many wonderful things in the past, but now seem obsessed with everything Western. What has happened to Chinese culture? The Chinese seem to despise it.


For dumb idiots like you. thats it a part of chinese culture.

Joel:


Ancient Chinese Soccer:

Thanks for the following:

"The earliest mention researchers have found of a soccer like game is in China. The ball was made of animal skin that were kicked through a gap in a net"

from "History of Soccer"
http://library.thinkquest.org/6314/history.html

Apparently, then, soccer began independently in many different cultures at different times, so no culture can be said to own it. On the other hand, I suppose the Europeans can say they developed it as it is now played. Right?

Ancient Chinese Soccer:

"The earliest mention researchers have found of a soccer like game is in China. The ball was made of animal skin that were kicked through a gap in a net"

from "History of Soccer"
http://library.thinkquest.org/6314/history.html

Joel:

Does anybody know which, if any, Olympic events are of Asian origin? Or are the Olympics just another example of the seemingly total domination of the world by Western culture?

lowly:

Do the Chinese have any Chinese games they care about? We know they invented many wonderful things in the past, but now seem obsessed with everything Western. What has happened to Chinese culture? The Chinese seem to despise it.
On the other hand, maybe the Chinese haven't invented many games because they don't know how to have fun. Just work, work, work... All work and no play makes China....

Lohengrin:

The problem with soccer is that they never score. It is the only game where you can end up 0-0 in the world cup and the outcome determined by penalty kicks. What a big yawn.

I have one suggest for the game: Get rid of the goalie or at least make sure that he can't use his hands. Then you might see something interesting.

To joblo:

Nice to know there are guys out there who dislike soccer!

joblo:

Soccer is for wimps and little girls that run around the grass in their underwear - real men play rugby!

Tibetan torchbearers:

"The Olympic flame passed through Tibet Autonomous Region's capital of Lhasa"

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/print.asp?id=364128

Agent Zero:

Who was the proud bigot who contributed the post below? He or she proposes a policy along the lines of ....well, "The Final Solution" comes to mind. This person could also use a spell-checker.

Anonymous:

Who are “oversea chinese”?

1: people who are forign citizens and betray own countries for China and chinese nazism.

2: people who are forign citizens and do everything for chinese money.

What should we do with oversea chinese?

1: send them and their families back to China and ban them from our nations for their whole life.

2: arest and send them to the prison for betraying our nations and our homeland.

3: arest them and take their shildren away from them because oversea chinese grow their children to potential traitors of own homeland and people who welcomed their tryterous parents.

June 22, 2008 5:23 AM | Report Offensive Comments

Hot China Boy:

What is a point to talk about soccer? It is over. Move on.

china2008:

Football is actual called handball in the rest of the world. In Soccer we use foot.

In US Football you can we a world champion with playing any country of the world in soccer you have to compete with the world.

in football somebody tells you how to play ypu don't need to use your brains , just your fat body.

eric kong :

I think you are not a very smart person
you can now almost watch any foreign tv series
and film in china wed for free and you are still
writing about press control in china, I think you
are crazy.

Lohengrin:

Soccers are for sissies and Chinese women are good at it. Real men play footballs.

Anonymous:

Who are “Tibetan exiles”?

People who are foreign citizens and can no longer protest against Chinese rule of Tibet.

What should we do with Tibetan exiles?

Leave them in their foreign countries.
They can never go back to China.

To Shawn:

"...the then Beijing Government signed some deals with Russia to settle the 4000 kilometers border issue with giving up a lot of land, ..."

It's a done deal. No point speculating further.

Anonymous:

It's something un-identified, and probably you couldn't even google them because the governments never reveal the agreements they signed. but according to some internal news or maybe rumors, the then Beijing Government signed some deals with Russia to settle the 4000 kilometers border issue with giving up a lot of land, in order to get some oil contract and military alliance treaty, or I personally suspect for the friendship with Russia the then president Jiang Zemin claimed as he was educated in Russia. ( just kidding, but his IQ wasn't really high enough to be a president for 1.3 billion people)

again. tell me exsactly what are you talking about.

Shawn:

aehhmm.. can you explain this one please.
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It's something un-identified, and probably you couldn't even google them because the governments never reveal the agreements they signed. but according to some internal news or maybe rumors, the then Beijing Government signed some deals with Russia to settle the 4000 kilometers border issue with giving up a lot of land, in order to get some oil contract and military alliance treaty, or I personally suspect for the friendship with Russia the then president Jiang Zemin claimed as he was educated in Russia. ( just kidding, but his IQ wasn't really high enough to be a president for 1.3 billion people)

this June they are signing some agreement with Japan to joint operate some gas filed in East China Sea, by giving up the baseline of UN Sea Law of Continental Shelf, but use the median line proposed by Japan.

You probably can google the recent news with Japan over East China Sea.

Soccer manhood:

Why are there so many club players, especially from Latin and European countries, who can launch into a ballistic swan dive at the slightest touch of their opponents, and then "crying out" trying to catch the referee's attention??

Maybe manhood also refers to the French team captain's head butt in the last World Cup final.
The Italian "butthead" was shamelessly writhing in "pain" until he recovered miraculously when the captain was sent off.

Anonymous:

...But I'm still not happy about it and feel the Beijing Government is kind of a traitor. Look at what they did when dealing with Moscow about the boarder issue!

aehhmm.. can you explain this one please.

Shawn:

John Pomfret,

Could you write something on the recent East China Sea deal between China and Japan.

I have to say it's considered as a progress since I couldn't figure out if there's a better way to resolve this problem.

But I'm still not happy about it and feel the Beijing Government is kind of a traitor. Look at what they did when dealing with Moscow about the boarder issue!

Could you write something about it and draw some discussion? I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be interesting to discuss it.

Tang Buxi:

John,

This is pretty exaggerated... but I figured you knew that, but what're you gonna do when they expect a certain number of blog entries from you every week.

Soccer is hugely important to many Chinese, and the pathetic men's team is a huge disappointment. One newspaper in Guangzhou ran a headline this week saying nothing except... "we have nothing left to say".

See it here:
http://blog.foolsmountain.com/?p=232

But you're being inaccurate when the Chinese "don't care about the Olympics". Baseball and equestrian... well, maybe. (Although I happen to think the Chinese in Taiwan are rather excited about baseball.)

But gymnastics? Diving? Ping-ball? Women's volleyball? BASKETBALL!? The Chinese love these sports.

Anonymous:

Chinese Communist Party officials in charge of restive Tibet used the passing of the Olympic torch relay through the capital Lhasa on Saturday to defend their control and denounce the exiled Dalai Lama.

The torch procession ended under tight security below the towering Potala palace after having been run for just over two hours before a carefully-selected crowd, some three months after the region was convulsed by bloody anti-Chinese protests.

"Tibet's sky will never change and the red flag with five stars will forever flutter high above it," Tibet's hardline Communist Party boss Zhang Qingli said at a ceremony marking the end of the two-hour relay through strictly guarded streets.

"We will certainly be able to totally smash the splittist schemes of the Dalai Lama clique," he added, in front of the Potala, traditional seat of the Dalai Lama, the most powerful figure in Tibetan Buddhism.

mick:

I bet the Tibet national team could beat China at soccer. Now that would be a match I'd want to see.

Chen:

Soccer....

Now that the Chinese economy and educational levels are becoming much more advanced, attention to the world's popular but lowly and accessible peasant sport can be traded in for something more superior.

horsham:

Chinese men's soccer has disappointed everyone who cares. If you want the definition of a bozo, go look at any player at the Chinese national soccer team. As a Chinese man, it's uncomfortable for me to say it, but Chinese men just can not perform as a team. There may be some deep currents in our culture that prohibit Chinese men to work collaboratively in a highly competitive environment.

Maybe we should accept the facts that we Chinese are meant to be lousy in certain areas, and we should just live with it. After all, the U.S. is at ease being a third-rate ping-pong nation, the German stinks at baseball, the Japanese is not known (at least to me) for their archery, and the Indians, with a similarly-sized population as China, are quite content at being bad at most sports. So, maybe we Chinese should divorce our sense of pride with a game, admit that soccer is not our cup of tea, forget our national soccer bozos (let them have their fun at the market rate -- take away any taxpayer subsidy), and just go about the more pressing matters in our lives.

Showdown:

China's national pride will be resting heavily on champion hurdler Liu Xiang's shoulders.

Liu is one of China's most eligible and still available manhood.

The 110m hurdles will definitely be a highlight of the Olympic Games, a Shanghai Noon between Liu, Cuba's new world record holder Dayron Robles, and America's top hurdlers.

Common Sense:

This looks like the worst combination of the USSR and Iraqi (pre-War) outlook. When did we start linking athletic prowess to national prestige again?
http://pragmaticallypolitical.blogivists.com/

Star:

Most winning soccer teams have a outstanding player or captain.

The "One in a Billion" Chinese Maradona is yet to be found.

bob:

Funny thing is that the Chinese soccer team sucks in a very consistent way. In fact China has a lousy record in man's team events of any kind. That has got to reflect something.

US Soccer Fan:

Um, the comments above about the US Soccer team are inaccurate.

USA won the CONCACAF to qualify for 2006 WC, and are arguably the best team in N. America, only competition being with Mexico.

They held the No. 1 team in the world to a draw recently, and are ranked 20th in the world.

How the US Team are amateurs and comparably as bad as the Chinese team is beyond me. Get the facts. Obviously not the greatest, but by no means terrible.

Oh and yes, the Chinese team does play like a bunch of angry thugs. They need to play like the characters in, "Shaolin Soccer" if they are to have any chance of winning on the world stage...

Chris:

Don't get me wrong, China aren't a soccer powerhouse by any means but this article is a little byzantine.

Firstly, there's no shame in losing a match to the Asian Champions. And the 2007 Asian Champions were Iraq. They have an excellent football team considering despite what their country is going through at the moment. Heck, they beat Australia 1-0 and Australia got knocked out (extremely unfairly) of the last world cup by the eventual champions on a VERY dodgy penalty call. So by association alone, China losing to Iraq isn't a big deal at all.

Secondly, China were also in the group of death. In their group also was Iraq (the aforementioned 2007 Asian Champions), Qatar (one of the richest leagues in the Middle East who pay many players from other countries to become Qatari nationals to bolster the national team) and Australia (need I say more). Australia are definitely through and China just had a bad run of luck with Qatar needing a 3-0 win against Iraq to get through, otherwise, the 'laughable' Iraq will qualify for the next round.

John Pomfret:

I beg to differ with Jason on the soccer v. basketball issue. Basketball is something people enjoy playing but soccer is their real passion. Just look at Titan Sports; other than covering Yao they don't really cover hoops. And Titan doesn't do this for fun; they're making big money.
Same with Adam Minter in Shanghai. Using a ticket sales report in the English-language China Daily as a measure of what's really popular among the Chinese? Dude....

Alan:

Their is too much good PR to be had with making a World Cup in the future. We are talking about CHINA here. They have taken over economically so soccer is would be the next evolution of their international influence. Its a no-brainer that this sport is to be just another gateway for the Chinese and I would love to see a strong Chinese team to mix it up with the big eight.

Jason:

First of all...soccer is not the most popular sport in china...its is basketball...when I studied over there thats all they cared about...

Hugh P.:

It is only a matter of time that the chinese develop a true "training ground" for their future soccer players. I would not be surprised if they were to become successful in 20 to 30 years time. I think I will see them in a World Cup in my lifetime. They have the money, population, and apparently love for the game that may enable them to be a serious contender in the future. Soccer skills and technique can be learned.

Soccer fan:

Has anyone seen the Chinese team vs. Japan in Feb 2008? It's all over youtube. Hilarious!
The Chinese team is the biggest group of thugs and hacks. And they still lose.
As for the US team, they're just amateurs.

iewgnem:

The reason China stinks at soccer even worse than Iraq is simply the combination of money and lack of skill. In Italy for example, they ahve the skill so while the money might trigger some corruption they could always depend on their foot for some goals. In Iraq, they got no money so even though they might not play all that well compared to Europe, they sticks to playing and that makes them relatively good players. In China you got the money to lure you into corruption and alway from playing, all the same time without the baseline skill to cope.

Chinese soccer would do a lot better if it loses its popularity and become just another sport.

Mostly manhood:

LOL, china's mostly manhood, given the disproportionate number of males in the country from female fetus extermination sponsored by China's imposed one child birth policy.

Amigo.Z:

I love soccer, but i hate chinese soccer.
They push me to the embrace of European league football matches and NFL.

Amigo.Z:

Why we need Chinese national soccer team? The only one reason is:
We can prove to everybody living in this planet that soccer could be played more and more uglier than your imagination.

Gaston:

A country as big as China & quite wealthy should not have a hard time to build up its soccer team with outstanding foreign players.Does anybody know if China has a professional soccer league?

Chinese:

Long time ago, Chinese used to joking that Chinese need to introduce caucasian's gene pool to improve their performance in soccer field. It seems that it still applies

Chinese:

Now you touched the chinese's softest and most sensitive part

Jack:

Somehow, it's weird that anyone would think of using the words "soccer" and "manhood" in the same sentence. The chinese must be in love the he-men of ice skating, then.

J Conrad:

Iraq is playing a lot better now that their players don't have to worry about being beaten and tortured by Saddam Hussein's sons when they lose.

Anonymous:

soccer team?

do you mean footbal team?

Chen:

sign~

wei:

Chinese male soccer team which matchs results do not match China power, and the team is so bad that should be expelled from National teams list.

Goal equals Gold:

There is still some chance for China's soccer team to win a medal at the Olympics.

Cavazos:

Your voice in this post is much more informal than previous posts. Weird.

Hot China Boy:

I Love China And I love soccer, but I hate our national soccer team! They don't represent my manhood! They don't represent our collective manhood! Period. As a matter of fact, I don't think they are Chinese.

John, please don't generalize. There are whole kinds of Chinese people just as whole kinds of Americans.

I have to say I like this article much better than your previous articles.

Franklin:

I am not sure why this is a surprise to so many people ? The Chinese are the world's biggest sports gamblers as well. Guess what they're betting on? It's not NFL or baseball - it's England's Primiership. Americans seriously need to realise, and accept, that outside the US whenever major sport is discussed on an international level ... it's NOT THE OLYMPICS that matter (as this article points out) ... it's football period. The Euro Cup will be bigger than the Olympics any day. Just like the NFL dominates even when the World Series is on television on the same night ... the same holds true with international football. The Olympics will never touch the World Cup.

Chow:

Hongkongers may be more passionate about soccer than their mainland counterparts, because of their colonial past.

There's a comedy film "Shaolin Soccer" by Stephen Chow.

Shawn:

Well, I guess Pomfret is correct about Chinese's sentiment about soccer. there's a Chinese rhyme recently populared over the internet. it's in Chinese, I guess some of u could read it :

过大年,雪灾了
炒牛市,崩盘了
留个影,艳照了
去旅游,暴乱了
乘飞机,罢航了
坐火车,出轨了
呆在家,地震了
发工资,都捐了

08年太不正常了,一都不正常,但关键时刻,中国男足挺身而出,用实际的输球行动向世界证明:中国男足还是正常的

The brief idea translated into English is about everything is abnormal in China since 2008, like the Snow disaster in Feb, the Tibet Riot, the Train collision in Shangdong Province and the earthquake, etc. But finally there's some normal, that is the lose of Chinese Soccer to Iraq. It's just a joke, but more or less proved what Pomfret said.

I don't like and never watched Soccer, but I saw a lot of news criticized the poor improve of Chinese Soccer over years. Even I was surprised when heard the lose to Iraq who is still having wars with America, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have a better environment and support than the Chinese Soccer team under that circumstance, although I didn't know they were the Asia Cup Champion last year. anyway, no right to comment as no knowledge over this issue.

I only watched NBA, and was disappointed by LA recently. Hopefully the Big B will bring back the Big D next season.

BTW, when Mr. Pomfret wrote "The way I see it: It takes some qiu to write about ....", I really didn't catch it, Guess either Chinese or American could hardly fully catch it with such a hybrid production, please don't challenge us.

Adam Minter:

Pomfret -

Greetings from Shanghai ...

This column is totally, and completely, off. Yes, European soccer is popular in China, but not nearly as popular as ... ping-pong and volleyball. Last week BOCOG announced that it - and its advertisers - expect those two events to be the top television draws during the games. Meanwhile, there was this little nugget in China Daily, just today:

"Zhu Yan, head of the Beijing Olympics Ticketing Center, told a press conference that around 1 million tickets remain unsold now and the majority of them are the tickets for soccer competitions in the four co-host cities -- Tianjin, Shanghai, Qinhuangdao and Shenyang."

When domestic ticket sales commenced, the 110 meters, volleyball and, yes, ping-pong were the first to sell out. Premium NBA games - I mean, international basketball games - came next. To be sure, the soccer matches are played in much bigger stadiums, so there are more tickets, but the fact that there are still tickets available for late round matches in Shanghai should tell you a whole lot.

No offense, but it's simply not enough to walk around your neighborhood late at night and make broad generalizations about Chinese sport preferences on that basis. There's actual ratings data for televised sport in China - and European football only tops it during the big int'l tournaments. Otherwise, NBA, volleyball and ping-pong are king.

Mrs:

The american's are so boring,of course not all of them, that's why they don't like football(soccer). Football means happyness, euphoria and make you feel that you are alive, they don't like that feeling.
I feel sorry for them.

guang:

pomfret:

hi,this one is right on!

applause to your fun manhood! chinese fans like it

Compatriot:

Well, at least America and China have one thing in common.

Both are soccer losers!

Aussie Barry:

"China was eliminated from qualifying for the World Cup by Iraq. Iraq!!! "
Why the exclamation marks?, Iraq is the 2007 Asian Cup winners, they were the 2007 Asian Federation Team of the year. They are second in their group for the World Cup qualifiers. They have beaten Australia, The Group leaders, 1-0. The Team consists of Sunnis Shias and Kurds. It is a team the rest of the world should admire, not denigrate

Citizen of the post-American world:

What a relief!

At last, something the Chinese are not good at. No trivia: something that calls into question no less than China's "sense of itself as a successful nation".

We need more of stories like this one.

Already, I feel so much better, you would not believe. The Chinese are not so good, after all. Ha, ha, ha.

And let's not forget: "... truth be told, most Chinese don’t give two fen about the Olympics." Too bad we wasted so much time (and money) on that Olympic flame business. No point in boycotting the games anymore, then...

"Peace in our time!" Who would have thought it would come to that?

kempy76:

to lose to iraq is no shame,
Iraq are asian champions and on their day would give the usa of whooping

Ron:

This national soccer team (male) is a complete disgrace to Chinese fans. People refer to them and the soccer association as shameless losers. It is not news the officals and players in the soccer association are constantly mocked and ridiculed by Chinese soccer commentators,fans,and even TV shows. It is fun to have them around and making fun of them virtually adds a lot fun to life.

But in general soccer is a funny and backward sports, in which referee's mistakes could even be tolerated as the "built-in beauty of the game". Comparatively,games in U.S are devised much better and thus more interesting.

a chinese fan:

"The way I see it: It takes some qiu to write about something so close to China's manhood."

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haha
exactly

Gooal:

China's women's soccer (elsewhere, it's also called football) team won the silver medal at the 1996 Olympics and placed second in the 1999 World Cup, but they have been going downhill lately.

US women's soccer is also not doing as well, facing great teams from South America and Europe.

Sam:

Tony Konheiser(Whatever the spelling is) should read this. This soccer hater refuse to accept that this beautifull is loved by the world. The NBA made national news when Yoa and the other guy from Milwuke played. Well these are the only two the Chinese care about in the NBA. Football rules!!!!!!!!

Ed:

Is their a homegrown team sport in China, or is the idea of taking time off for leisure pursuits entirely alien to the Han as well?

Jefferson:

And to think there are millions in the US and hundreds in the media that find soccer boring is simply unbelievable!

Here's a country obsessed with the world's beautiful game and they have a sorry team themselves.

Thank you for this article!

And Go China Soccer!

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