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You people are so stupid, and you say the Hollywood is stupid. Cannot you see that 9.11 is a karma thing？This is what I said right after 9.11, and in case all you idiots have forgotten, here it is, in direct quote.

“Because you are not being nice to Bin Laden, who is a good friend of mine," she said. "And then all this World Trade Center and all this stuff happened, I thought, is that karma? When you are not nice, bad things happen to you."

Go home and think about it, dumb idiots.

Dalai Lama led prayer for Sichuan earthquake victims

http://www.asianews.it/view4print.php?l=en&art=12430

Did Ms Stone imply the earthquake was brought up by the Dalai Lama?

Her words: “Because they are not being nice to the Dalai Lama, who is a good friend of mine," she said. "And then all this earthquake and all this stuff happened, I thought, is that karma? When you are not nice, bad things happen to you."

Analysis: Karma is a Buddhist law. The divine Buddha determines who to be punished and others praised. A living Buddha reports people’s behaviors to the divine Buddha. Wrong info was passed and the quake occurred in the Aba Tibetan&Qiang Autonomous Prefecture of Sichuan. Many Tibetan (and other Chinese) died but the Chinese gov was praised for its swift actions. If this is the karma as she claimed (based on the insider info from her good friend?), it was bad to the innocent Tibetans (and other Chinese) but good to the gov. His Holiness realized the mistake, and was too embarrassed to participate in a quake-relief effort. Instead, he toured the globe, as if he has nothing to do with the quake (alibi?).

To the Village Idiot.

What are you trying to say? The same thing as Sharon Stone that guy below mentioned?

The Jews are responsible for the holocaust?

Development pushed in the Sichuan region despite quake risks

http://www.ciobinternational.org/news/view/1344

So does Sharon Stone also thinks that the Jews are responsible for the Holocaust?

May be it's bad karma on the Jews' part.

I don't want to be used by your guys anymore. All of you are poor fish and sore loser. Pathetic.

hehehe, my little thugs and goons are now masquerading as Sharon Stone, Tibetan exiles and monks.

Stay tuned for world domination!

hehehe .....

Tibetan in Exile--we need money!:

Yes, our Holiness gets all the attention and money (though not from richard gere) from your governments. But what about us who actually do the shouting, grabbing running around in costumes and waving? Sure we are born in the west and never been to China. But that is not the point. The point is that we need the Tibet issue to survive.

The recent events really helped us a lot with more financial support. But is this enough? Certainly not! We have about 30000 Tibetans living in the US. But we have hundreds of local organizations. They are getting very little money. For example, our "Free Tibet" local chapter in Utah only has a budget of just over 400000$. Why so stingy? I think the British is a little more generous. The Germans and French are talking tough but the money doesn't show. Those are peanuts. We get our lion's share from the US.

So please help us. We are really afraid that you will forget us after the Olympics are over. Please!

Fu Manchu: Pesky rights activists again? That is very good news...

Red guard: Why is it good news, master?

Fu Manchu: Because I'm in no condition to receive bad news. I shall fine you each 1000 yuan.

Red guard: But you don't pay us, master.

Fu Manchu: Whip, Whip, Whip! Then I shall start paying you in order to fine you.

My candidate for Fu Manchu Award:

Dalai Lama and Tibetan-In-Exile

Dalai Lama said: I like it!
In the early 1950s, DL was a member of China’s central committee and leader of Tibet. He said: Great leader Chairman Mao, we love you! (He wrote poems for Chairman Mao).

Dalai Lama said: I don’t like it!
In 1956, the central government wanted to start the land reform that had been implemented through out China. Due to the respect of the minority region, the reform was delayed. This reform would have distributed the land owned by DL and his monks to the slaves. So he resisted.

Dalai Lama said: I am out of here!
A violent uprising was squashed. And he fled to India with arrangement by some countries.

Dalai Lama said: let’s fight for independence!
With support from some countries, he organized the guerrilla warfare. The tactics were nothing more than murdering local officials and intimidating the population. It lasted until 1972 when the west stopped support.

Dalai Lama said: I want autonomy!
No more support, the rhetoric changed to autonomy. A step-by-step plan, autonomy to independence seemed smart at that time. But he never stopped stirring troubles inside China.

Dalai Lama said: I want independence.
In 1989, when anti-China was even more popular than now, and when China had the Tiananmen incident, he won the Nobel Prize when some people wanted to snub China. And he seized the opportunity by saying that China should be divided into 7 or 8 pieces (he will have the bigger piece as he wants 25% of China’s territory). But soon he was back to his autonomy talk as political climate changed.

Dalai Lama said: let’s seize the opportunity!
In 2001, China won the honor to host the Olympics. DL again saw an opening and formed his grand plan to gain ground during this sporting event. Thus came the ugly riots with arson, burning and killing. And some misinformed people started to follow him on the torch relay to put on a freak show.

Dalai Lama again said: "I want autonomy". "I don't want to attend the Olympics". "I want to attend the Olympics". "The protesters have their right and I am powerless". "The protesters should stop".
"Karma". "not karma".

Dalai Lama, get yourself together before speaking. Otherwise, you will be the same as your best pal, Sharon Stone, or your other pal, richard geer who pissed off the Indian people by bending over their famed actress.

All of you are poor fish and sore loser. Pathetic.

hehehe (really evil laugh), my little thugs and robots are all over the web, hehehe ....

All of you are poor fish and sore loser. Pathetic.

This nameless guy is full of hatred towards Chinese. Yet he dares to say that he cares about the human rights of the Chinese people and viciously attacking another reasonable message.

This guy obviously is manning this forum day and night and making sure his hateful rant is always on top. This technique is the same as the Tibetan in exile on every forums in the US, knowing that many people will only read a few messages from the top.

One thing we should do is to avoid categorically attacking Chinese or Americans or any group of people. We should be aware that individual actions can't be used to attack a whole ethnic group,a whole region, let alone a whole country. Let's ignore this little guy and focus on the issue.

Shaanxi cadres punished for taking earthquake tents

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2008/200806/20080602/article_361655.htm

This nameless guy is full of hatred towards Chinese. Yet he dares to say that he cares about the human rights of the Chinese people and viciously attacking another reasonable message.

This guy obviously is manning this forum day and night and making sure his hateful rant is always on top. This technique is the same as the Tibetan in exile on every forums in the US, knowing that many people will only read a few messages from the top.

One thing we should do is to avoid categorically attacking Chinese or Americans or any group of people. We should be aware that individual actions can't be used to attack a whole ethnic group,a whole region, let alone a whole country. Let's ignore this little guy and focus on the issue.

Chicom kid pretending to be "Sharon Stone".

So Disgusting!!!

All of you are poor fish and sore loser. Pathetic.

Sharon Stone is a racist hick. Simple as that/.

That just shows that people who wants to steal Tibet from China are just plain stupid racists.

They are not Buddhists. They are not for peace. They are just bloodsucking racists trying to steal other people's land.

Forced donations for earthquake

http://upiasiaonline.com/Society_Culture/2008/06/06/donation_frenzy_sweeps_china/3275/

All of you are poor fish and sore loser. Pathetic.

The title of the conference was “Training Course for Keeping Earthquake Information Confidential”. Agenda item # 1? “Study of Regulations and Provisions for Keeping Earthquake Information Confidential. Agenda item # 2 was “Discussions of Working Methods for Keeping Earthquake Information Confidential”.

Why the Chinese government would want to keep the devastation of a natural disaster that was to claim so many humans secret is mind boggling even for a regime that continues to thumb its nose at Human Rights.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3262

To Louis

Crazy butthurt loser, go wash your dirty mouth with acid!

hehehe (evil laugh), my little goons and trolls are all over the web, hehehe ....

To Anonymous:

Even wash with acid won't help with your dirty mouth, so keep it firmly shout, and don't stink in public again!

Crazy butthurt loser, go wash your dirty mouth with acid!

Crazy kid, go wash your dirty mouth with acid!

++Anonymous, you are extremely rude to attack that Chinese student who just lost ten relatives in this earthquake.++

get lost you failed idiot. your "chinese student" failture propaganda do not work here and stop to troll here.

++We know you are the member of Tibetan-In-Exile,++

you know nothing.

++but you are just too out of line and really insane to attack that young Chinese student.++

stop to hit yourself. your stupidity doesnt make you look better.

++Maybe your guys do have a history of violence.++

WHAT?

--The Tibetans never built schools. The Chinese did that. And hospitals. And movie theaters. And, well, modernity.--

gosh is this a piece of BS. chinese propaganda BS.

1: Tibetian monastries were shools, univercities, hospitals and "movie theaters"(there was only one back before WW2) in a same time before chinese destroyed them all to destroy local education system wich was based not on chinese comunism.

2:who do you think built all those shools and univercities in Tibet and in tibetian-exile areas?

3: that idiot of fake-tourist was in area wich was completly destroed by chinese army twise back in the 50'ens and in 80'ens. local tibetians rebuildet some nun monastries with university education and shools for poor kids wich were destroed by chinese army back in the 80'ens and 90'ens. Tibetian people buildet first shool in Tibet for blind children.(with a help of europeans and americans)

anyway, i saw more flies and Cockroaches in chinese hotel.

Anonymous, you are extremely rude to attack that Chinese student who just lost ten relatives in this earthquake. We know you are the member of Tibetan-In-Exile, but you are just too out of line and really insane to attack that young Chinese student. Maybe your guys do have a history of violence.

I digress with Anonymous who is nasty and mean. I show some remanents of Dalai Lama's rule. (from Phyliburbs Blog)

Tibet: a toilet nightmare
There are violent protests against the Chinese in the Tibetan city of Lhasa, an attempt by separatist Tibetans to compromise the Olympics. I witnessed similar tension 23 years ago when I visited the “Roof of the World.” Back then Lhasa had but a single western-style hotel. It was booked, so I stayed at a Tibetan rooming house for $3 a night. My pillow was stuffed with peanut shells and the mattress was rope. There must have been at least 500 flies to a room, attracted by the smell of human excrement piling up in the so-called “bathroom” down the hall. There was no plumbing or anything resembling a toilet. You simply squatted, made your deposit and left. Eventually, someone hauls it away. Out on the street was mud and unwashed people, a number of who spent their day prostrating themselves to the Tibetan gods. Up, down, stretch out on the ground … up, down, stretch out on the ground … it was the equivalent of a 9-5 job. To the eye of an American, this city was dirt poor, although I don’t think anyone there knew it. But up on the hill, in the Potala Palace built by the monks and now run by China as a tourist attraction, is room after room after room after room after room after room after room after room – of gold. To the eye of an American, this looked like great wealth. Wasted wealth. The Tibetans never built schools. The Chinese did that. And hospitals. And movie theaters. And, well, modernity. The Tibetans think the Chinese are tying to destroy their culture and consider them occupiers. Hence the tension and protests. But the Tibetans, then and now, happily sell trinkets to the tourists the Chinese bring in. It’s a complex situation that grows more complex each day. The western tourists I met there in 1985 (mostly people on the so-called hippy trail) thought Lhasa was Xanadu. I thought it was someplace I wanted to get out of fast

My candidate for Fu Manchu Award:

Dalai Lama and Tibetan-In-Exile

Dalai Lama said: I like it!
In the early 1950s, DL was a member of China’s central committee and leader of Tibet. He said: Great leader Chairman Mao, we love you! (He wrote poems for Chairman Mao).

Dalai Lama said: I don’t like it!
In 1956, the central government wanted to start the land reform that had been implemented through out China. Due to the respect of the minority region, the reform was delayed. This reform would have distributed the land owned by DL and his monks to the slaves. So he resisted.

Dalai Lama said: I am out of here!
A violent uprising was squashed. And he fled to India with arrangement by some countries.

Dalai Lama said: let’s fight for independence!
With support from some countries, he organized the guerrilla warfare. The tactics were nothing more than murdering local officials and intimidating the population. It lasted until 1972 when the west stopped support.

Dalai Lama said: I want autonomy!
No more support, the rhetoric changed to autonomy. A step-by-step plan, autonomy to independence seemed smart at that time. But he never stopped stirring troubles inside China.

Dalai Lama said: I want independence.
In 1989, when anti-China was even more popular than now, and when China had the Tiananmen incident, he won the Nobel Prize when some people wanted to snub China. And he seized the opportunity by saying that China should be divided into 7 or 8 pieces (he will have the bigger piece as he wants 25% of China’s territory). But soon he was back to his autonomy talk as political climate changed.

Dalai Lama said: let’s seize the opportunity!
In 2001, China won the honor to host the Olympics. DL again saw an opening and formed his grand plan to gain ground during this sporting event. Thus came the ugly riots with arson, burning and killing. And some misinformed people started to follow him on the torch relay to put on a freak show.

Dalai Lama again said: "I want autonomy". "I don't want to attend the Olympics". "I want to attend the Olympics". "The protesters have their right and I am powerless". "The protesters should stop".
"Karma". "not karma".

Dalai Lama, get yourself together before speaking. Otherwise, you will be the same as your best pal, Sharon Stone, or your other pal, richard geer who pissed off the Indian people by bending over their famed actress.

Hahaha, Anonymous, you just left another blog and come here. You are fighting everywhere.

john: How dare are you attcking my bother?
You are stupid jerk!

My candidate for Fu Manchu Award;

CCTV Chanel.

""The CCTV kept showing clips on earth victims expressing thanks to the government. Guo yu hua, an anthopologist pointed out that the government should thank Chinese people instead as they have showed high quality in supporting the relief work"

Anonymous: How dare are you attcking my bother?
You are stupid jerk!

**I am student in China and lost ten close relatives in this earthquake.**

R.I.P.

**I can't believe Sharon Stone and some people here laugh at Chinese people.**

DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE YOU TALING ABOUT?
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT SHE DOES MEAN WITH HER KARMA COMMENT? SHE TOLD HER CONDOLENCE AND SYMPHATY FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE KILLED IN EARTHQUACKE AND YOU IDIOT DO ATACK HER FOR IT?!

++It is extremely inhuman for your guys to make such outrageous comments about the earthquake.++

WHAT? tell me about.. and now go and talk with your chinese compatriots wich atracked forigners because they wanted to send some help to china.

**You didn't lost any love ones so that you don't care! It is a shame!*

yeah.. its a shame if arrogant and stupid jercks like you do atack others just because they do understand nothing about those people and their lifestyle.

**Well,I don't need your sympathy. I can survive by myself!We have survived for 5000 years!**

god bless and now go back to China and please dont talk here again.

**When US had 911 tragety a few years ago, my classmates and I prayed for those people who lost their innocent lifes. **

1: chinese dont pray its forbiden by their communist party.
2: there were many chinese netizens who blamed americans after 9/11.

**We did't have any second thought at all at that time. Shame on her!**

instead to atack people for their mean go and try at first to understand them.

I am student in China and lost ten close relatives in this earthquake. I can't believe Sharon Stone and some people here laugh at Chinese people. It is extremely inhuman for your guys to make such outrageous comments about the earthquake. You didn't lost any love ones so that you don't care! It is a shame!Well,I don't need your sympathy. I can survive by myself!We have survived for 5000 years!

When US had 911 tragety a few years ago, my classmates and I prayed for those people who lost their innocent lifes. We did't have any second thought at all at that time. Shame on her!

If Chinese are atheist and do not believe in Karma law then why being so upset?
For those chinese who do believe in Karma law, just shut up.
I support speech freedom and I am concerned of the prompt excuses brought by Maison Dior to the regime.

Excerpt:
China's Tibet policy forms the linchpin of its nationalist project. Its sovereignty over Tibet has significant ramifications not only for its national integrity but also for stability in its other minority areas, particularly Xinjiang.

Main article at Asia Times: Flawed Tibet policy
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IL07Df01.html

Yes, who let Jonny the dog out???LOL

at first i am loling my arse off because chinese do know nothing about karma. then i was worried because chinese were going in a stupid and stuborn rage against a personal mean of hollywood actor. (gosh, i wish european acted in a same furrieous way after some american idiot was going to drop their wine away..)

but hey.. that is what chinese and their nation stand for: great stupidity based on failed education and none understanding for forign people and their rights to tell what they do think openly.

hmm.. something teels me that USA and freedom loving people must be now mount the barricades for a fight for their freedom rights and their interior-laws. but hey we got so many americans here who call themselfes "oversea-chinese" instead being american like it must be in a great nation like USA.

I just want to clarify my comment about karma starts with a thought. Say you are harboring bad thoughts about a certain country, say China, as it relates to Tibet and you are a friend of the Dali Lama and over and over again your modelling career is blessed in the that very same country China. Well all those blessings are trying to subdue your anger and show you a way away from your growing anger toward wisdom of the situation and you decide not to be 'bought off' by it. Well then instead of thinking your thoughts you open you big fat mouth as if to speak for the United States of America and you are , in fact, not under the umbrella of safety you're just shooting from the hip (maybe you had adrink or two like it looked like) and viola your mouth, your body language adn rolling your eyes or at least maybe you weren't rolling them but they were rollimg and then you blew it. You had plenty of time to keep your yape shut but no you're Sharon Stone and everyone cares about what you have to say - wrong - not. But this too will pass and so will Sharon. Now that's karma.

It is laughable that anyone is thinking about Karma things. It only shows how desperate those people are, though the truth will only make them more desperate since the earthquake is more of a plus score to the Chinese government and Chinese people, and the bad consequences to the earthquake is actually quite slight for China.

Keep dreaming, man and woman. Day-dreaming is always good for people have no hope and are undergoing the real karma ...the CCP is a real karma to Tibetan and other China-haters ...just keep dreaming, poor people.

It is nothing worth to discuss.
Some stupid woman said some stupid words. That's all.

If there is any kinda of Karma, Tibetan are karmaed long before the history since they have to live in such harsh environment.

Ms. Stone has earned any such award and Ms. Stone understands Karma. Just a thought can put into play a karmic outcome and to speak that thought does the same. She is now living its effects. You go Karma Girl but remember sometimes it's time to become a gracious women at your age. It's never too late and that's karmic advice from some who's kinda, sorta been there. You go Karma Girl but not to China.

Sharon Stone should have separated the bad government and its people. She should make it clear: Bad actions by the government caused bad Karma to its people. Everyone should live and learn the Karmic functions.

China + Tibet = Earthquakes.
US + England + Australia + Iraq = Hurricanes + Tornadoes + Floods + Cyclones.

I am not Sharon Stone's fan, but I am totally support her comment. It is an instinct of conscience that she spoke out to let the world leader not to be greedy and treat people like disposable.

I have many Chinese friends, and I do not hate the Chinese or willing to offense them. But the Chinese government are the really bad people. How many territories that they had occupied, and had they done any better to the area that they seizured?

This is thier real bad Karma that God lets it happened to thier people. They had many things that doing against Natural, God. Here are the list of debts that God wants the Chinese Government to pay back " One by One"

- One child policy
- Eating the baby fetus of the accidental second child
- Supporting corruption and genocide Goverments links Burma, "Red Cambodia", VietCong,
- Occupying Island of the Vietnamese"
- Harvesting Organ of the Political prisoners
- Genocide the Tibetan
- Sale weapons to South Africa countries to let them kill each others
- billing the big DAM to block water stream to the southeast countries, so those countries had lost their crop.

And there are a lot more and more.

Look at what have happened?

The Burma government has Natural disaster as well as the Earth quake in China. This is really sorry for the truly good Chinese people for the Bad Karma that their government has been doing. And the big DAM that they rerouted water is now their real threat. They have to use Military to drain the lake out. And the WMD that they developed and hided in that Earth Quake town is now also their threat. This is called " what you grow what you harvest" another words is Bad Karma.

I believe the truly Chinese people had to do something with their government, Otherwise there might be more Natural disaster will happen to them.

I just found a nice article about the way the Chinese occupation of Tibet has been presented to the people of China. This comes from a recent article in the Scientific American:

"Barely a month goes by without some newly uncovered fraudulent image making it into the news. In February, for instance, an award-winning photograph depicting a herd of endangered Tibetan antelope apparently undisturbed by a new high-speed train racing nearby was uncovered to be a fake. The photograph had appeared in hundreds of newspapers in China after the controversial train line was opened with much patriotic fanfare in mid-2006. A few people had noticed oddities immediately, such as how some of the antelope were pregnant, but there were no young, as should have been the case at the time of year the train began running. Doubts finally became public when the picture was featured in the Beijing subway this year and other flaws came to light, such as a join line where two images had been stitched together. The photographer, Liu Weiqing, and his newspaper editor resigned; Chinese government news agencies apologized for distributing the image and promised to delete all of Liu’s photographs from their databases."

The article is:

June, 2008

Digital Forensics: How Experts Uncover Doctored Images

Modern software has made manipulation of photographs easier to carry out and harder to uncover than ever before, but the technology also enables new methods of detecting doctored images

By Hany Farid

And you can see the link at http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=digital-image-forensics .

Now, I will agree that it is to the credit of the journals involved that they admitted the fraud and punished the faker. However, this fraud was exposed so quickly because the faker altered a photo in a manner that could quickly and clearly be proven. I want you all to think about how many reports of 'happy Tibetans' are faked in the Chinese press by means that cannot be proved as quickly and clearly.

Excerpt:
China's Tibet policy forms the linchpin of its nationalist project. Its sovereignty over Tibet has significant ramifications not only for its national integrity but also for stability in its other minority areas, particularly Xinjiang.

Main article: Flawed Tibet policy
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IL07Df01.html

To Roaul:

I noticed that the link I provided wasn't the best one I intended. Here is the right one. It is very long. I am refering to point 4 "A New Edition: Politics", please read from there on.

http://www.ljhammond.com/phlit/2004-12c.htm

To Raoul:

I will disappoint you. I am not interested in arguments especially the Greek-philosopher type. Like I said, I am only offering something for western commentators to think about. However, snce you have asked, I will provide the basic "logic". I will be brief:

Democracy by definition reflects the spirit of the common men that by definition are un-enlightened (in a spiritual sense: a Buddhist sense, for instance). Hence it can not be the guide of the society. Bush's twice election is such a demonstration. Democracy only works in the lower hierachies of a civilization. Remember, it was the Greek philosophers who created democracy, it is not that Greek democracy produced the philosophers.

Freedom of speech without a proper spiritual (or moral) can naturally turn abusive as a celebration of the mediocrety described above. CNN and BBC dishonesty in Tibet reports and the Hollywood star's comment are such demonstrations.

Jian,

You didn't answer the question or clarify your argument in any way. I am open to suggestions/criticism, etc., but shouldn't it have some kind of logic behind it?

You should judge Sharon by her words as well as her deeds.

She is one of the celebrities to be involved in earthquake relief efforts.

Pomfret, don't forget your first blog after the earth quake "The Earthquake's Chinese Meaning", I would nominate you as well behind her.

To be honest, I think Sharon Stone's comments isn't proper, but is still understandable if we treat her just as a normal human being/mortal. I was used to think those Marine Corps boys deserve to die in Iraq months ago, for I hate the invasion of Iraq by America. But some friends/American friends let me realized I was wrong, for human life is noble and precious. It's the basic we should respect it regardless of whatever so. Maybe Sharon Stone hasn't get my feeling even after have been a Buddhist for years, or maybe she has, but the hatred she has towards China dominated herself.

In both cases, she isn't deserved to be attacked like what is as now. But unfortunately, she's a superstar, an idol, a image for Hollywood, and represent for Dior. With all those moral,finical and public factors behind, I would think it's improper for saying such a word of "Karma". I don't agree with the governmental censorship of her products in China, but for myself, I wouldn't buy or watch any of her movies and products from now on. quote what she said, "I thought, 'Is that karma?' When you are not nice, bad things happen to you."!

To Raoul,

I said "the other side" and MODERN western civilization, not that in Plato's time. Vulgarity certainly applies to the Sharon Stone phenonmenon here or that of Andy Warhol. Be open-minded to criticism if you are confident of your culture. I recommand the following article I came across:

http://www.ljhammond.com/cwgt/10.htm

Lilly said:

To Rohit:
"Thoughtless comment is bad, but killing, torture, and threatening other nations with missiles, is a million times worse."

Are you talking about USA???

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And my question to Lilly is, if the USA is bad, does that somehow justify China being bad? Is China modelling itself after the country which nuked two cities in Japan? If China is planning to imitate the US then God help us all.

If America, where blacks were enslaved and women's couldn't vote until the recent past, could have a black and a woman vie for the nomination of the Democratic Party, is it so difficult to expect that the Chinese government will become democratic in our lifetime? If we have forgiven ourselves for Kent State, for Rodney King, for Waco, for Japanese interments, and for Tuskegee, is it so difficult to expect people to forgive Tiananmen? If we have Wounded Knee in our own history and live with the Native Nations in relative harmony, is it not possible that China would be able to work something out with the Tibetans? It is, after all, in discussions now with Taiwan's new government instead of firing missiles across the Strait.

Then you have a serious split-personality issue.

I am one of those who had commented before. Do you know which one? Perhaps there is only one person creating all these responses under different names?

Jian cites what he sees as "The non-seriousness or even vulgarity of a free-speech, democractic society." You've been reading Plato, obviously!

But, Jian, I'm curious why you explicitly link "non-seriousness" and "vulgarity" with free speech and democracy. There doesn't seem to be any necessary link between these things. Does this non-seriousness and vulgarity apply to all democracies (Germany, France, India, Argentina, Japan, etc, etc. etc.)?

You seem to suggest that you are serious and non-vulgar. So I am sure you have thought about this before putting forth such a startling proposition. Please, enlighten us as to your thinking.

I agree with Sharon Stone-she has absolutely nothing to apologize for. If you chinese don't like it- who cares what a brainless, lock-stepping, backward people think anyway?