Talk about peace, love and understanding! Reuters today is quoting a Nationalist Party spokeswoman from Taiwan as saying China has vowed to cut the number of missiles aimed at Taiwan.
I said in an earlier post that the stage has been set for a luv-fest between Beijing and Taipei.
Today's report concerns a meeting last week between Nationalist Party Chairman Wu Poh-hsiung and senior leaders in Beijing, including President Hu Jintao. Wu asked about the missiles and was told China would stop deploying them ahead of a gradual reduction. "It was a friendly reaction," spokeswoman Ms. Chen Shu-jung told Reuters. China did not set a timeline or estimate how many missiles might be removed, she said.
If this report turns out to be true, it would be really major. Not just an olive branch, heck, a whole tree, presented by China's leaders to the new president of Taiwan, Ma Ying-jeou, who took office on May 20. Ma has also set his sights on a peace accord, as well as a boost in trade ties. Get ready for negotiations to begin on direct air travel. Shanghai to Taipei, less than a two-hour flight. Good for biznez!
The Taiwan-China luv-fest doesn't stop there. Chinese officials have also asked Taiwan for a proposal on its bid to participate in the World Health Organization. Taiwan wants some type of observer status. At least. Remember, just a few years ago Sha Zukang, now a UN undersecretary, launched into a totally insulting and incredibly undiplomatic rant at Taiwanese reporters in Geneva at the height of China's SARS coverup. Sha taunted Taiwanese reporters, telling them they'd never be recognized by the UN or the WHO. (see this classic Onion piece on Sha.)
Those days are gone, at least for a while.
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Overseas Chinese and media around the world have welcomed the resumption of talks between the Chinese mainland's Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Straits (ARATS) and the Taiwan-based Straits Exchange Foundation (SEF).
Li Tao, president of the Chinese Motherland Peace and Unity Promotion Association of Australia, said the two sides' agreements on weekend chartered flights and mainland tourists' travel to Taiwan inaugurated a new chapter in the history of cross-Straits relations.
Cross-Straits relations will become closer and closer with deepening people-to-people exchanges between the Chinese mainland and Taiwan, he said.
Chen Weidong, vice president of the Australian Capital Territory Council for the Promotion of the Peaceful Reunification of China, said the agreements brought substantial convenience for exchanges across the Taiwan Straits.
He called the agreements important political achievements conducive to Taiwan's economic development, which deserve congratulations from overseas Chinese around the world.
Ni Jian, president of the Czech Council for the Promotion of the Peaceful Reunification of China, said the resumption of talks between the ARATS and the SEF in Beijing is a great milestone in improving cross-Straits relations.
It has brought a new opportunity for and will exert a significant influence on the development of cross-Straits ties, he added.
In a statement, the Chinese American Alliance for China's Peaceful Reunification and the National Association for China's Peaceful Unification in Washington said the resumption of talks has put cross-Straits ties on a normal track of sound interaction.
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its very funny how chinese are calling forign citizens "oversea chinese" and use their position for own propaganda.
why do let australian and american goverments work those spy and propaganda organisations inside of own countries?
June 16, 2008 3:48 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 16, 2008 03:48
All the people to embrace. Peace-loving people. Remember the feeling you all: the joy in life, sadness , even death.
Not to waste your own "the capital of well-being ." In the face of history. Each person is only a "drop"!
June 12, 2008 11:19 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 12, 2008 23:19
Bless all the people:
the Chinese people,
Americans,
Iraqis,
Myanmar,
Japanese,
Korean,
and so on.
Because happiness can only rely on the "treasure".
June 12, 2008 11:12 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 12, 2008 23:12
oh.My God!
June 12, 2008 11:08 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 12, 2008 23:08
Wow China will CUT missiles targeted at Taiwan.
No wait, it will "stop deploying" and then "cut back".
Wow, China will SOON CUT missiles targeted at Taiwan.
No schedule is given.
Wow, China may SOMEDAY CUT missiles targeted at Taiwan.
But will missiles be eliminated or just NOT targeted?
And will missile launchers be removed as well?
Uhh, China may SOMEDAY CUT TARGETING Taiwan with as many missiles and let Taiwanese medical officials "observe" at World Health just like real countries can. How wonderful????????
June 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 12, 2008 15:24
Reconciliation has begun.
June 12, 2008 3:19 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 12, 2008 15:19
Chinese Discusting Pig Nazi is hacking on the West
and Parents for chinese failture:
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Yu Qiuyu: Tearfully asking the victims not be used by anti-Chinese forces
Yesterday, in the overseas media, I saw images of protesting parents holding pictures of their deceased children. These parents demanded a thorough legal investigation on the corrupt officials and contractors who built the collapsed schools, requesting the authorities to penalize individuals involved in these projects. While the police tried to mediate, the parents refused to back down and could not hide their anger. Based on these facts, the anti-Chinese media has again launched its attack against China. Four claims have been made:
1. The earthquake was more of a human tragedy than a natural disaster;
2. The officials claimed that the parents’ demands are beyond the local court's jurisdiction;
3. Five foreign reporters were questioned and held in custody by the Chinese police while videotaping the scenes;
4. Did the earthquake really have an impact on China's democratization?
For this, I tearfully ask the parents to understand the government, calm down, and stop creating new troubles. Your loss, your grief, and your pain are shared by the entire nation; 1.3 billion people have been mourning for the children who died in the earthquake. This is one of the most solemn memorial ceremonies in the history of mankind, and your children will be remembered.
On the national mourning day, a teacher of Buddhism told me that with the prayers of billions of people, all the lost lives will become Buddha and bless this country. I believe that your children in heaven will have eternal peace.
Of course, whoever built the unsafe schools must be held accountable. Those irresponsible contractors and officials must be penalized by law. Under the current circumstances, I cannot even imagine which institutions would dare to cover up for what these people did. What you are asking for are exactly the issues that the government and its people have resolved to address. However, this might be a long process.
http://en.chinaelections.org/NewsInfo.asp?newsID=17932
June 12, 2008 12:33 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 12, 2008 12:33
After returning to Taiwan, Wu humbly declared that he was well-treated by the Chinese before dispatching Straits Exchange Foundation (SEF) Chairman Chiang Pin-kung (江丙坤) to negotiate the details of weekend chartered flights and Chinese tourism to Taiwan. But there were previous statements that, once dialogue resumed, Taiwan’s participation in the WHO would be the main priority for discussion.
One begins to wonder if there are matters of greater urgency, or if Taiwan’s WHO membership is no longer considered a priority.
There is no need to relate the oppression that Taiwan has suffered in its attempts to join the WHO. China’s formulation of the “Anti-Secession” Law in March 2005 shocked Taiwan and drew international criticism. But in April of that year, Lien led a group to visit China. In response, China exhibited “goodwill” and in May signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the WHO, promising that information would be passed on to Taiwan and that channels of communication would remain open.
The MOU is built on the precondition that Taiwan is the territory of the People’s Republic of China and must look to the Chinese government for decisions in all matters. Although the government did not accept the memorandum, the WHO secretariat implemented it — a fine example of how Beijing’s “goodwill” operates.
The Department of Health says that between 2005 and last year the WHO held 1,000 technical conferences on infectious diseases. China only informed Taiwan’s Centers for Disease Control of 40 of these events, and Taiwanese experts were only permitted to attend nine. In the last year, the WHO sent 236 health-related notices, only 16 of which were relayed to Taiwan. Of those, most were so delayed that the message was received only after the diseases had been covered in the international press.
Citing the MOU, Chinese representatives to the WHO claim that the medical and health requirements of their “Taiwanese compatriots” are well cared for, that “Taiwanese compatriots” are participating fully in WHO-related events and that China will fully assist in fulfilling the needs of its “Taiwanese compatriots.”
At this year’s World Health Assembly meeting, members asked why Taiwan only received information concerning shigella after a long delay. China calmly replied that the enormity of its country and the size of its population occasionally leads to delays, but that they would work to improve their ability to inform. Their attitude is an immeasurable tragedy for Taiwan.
Following Wu’s recent efforts, China appears once again to be demonstrating their “goodwill.” Yet whether the WHO is still a priority remains unknown. The government may believe that this opportunity must not be missed, and that all should be conducted according to the supreme will of China. But if participation in the WHO must follow the conditions of the aforementioned MOU, then no matter what amendments are made, the degree and nature of participation will remain entirely dependent on Beijing.
The price of accepting this framework is placing Taiwan within the People’s Republic of China. If Taiwan can only increase its participation based on this type of “goodwill,” then in practice it is at the cost of our autonomy. Rather than increasing Taiwan’s international space, this model brings further constraint. The government should proceed cautiously lest it make dire errors in its impatient pursuit of a diplomatic breakthrough.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2008/06/11/2003414453
So much to "China's Peace, Luv, and Missile Cut"
June 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 10, 2008 15:04
In the old days, when Chinese scholars and officials got into a little trouble with the emperor, they would be exiled to Hainan island.
But Hainan could become the Hawaii of the East.
Maybe now the Chinese government, instead of sending Chinese dissidents to jail, could consider "exiling" them to Taiwan instead!
June 9, 2008 5:04 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 9, 2008 05:04
Someone should remind the Village Idiot that Japan who is occupying Okinawa and Diaoyutai has no right to say anything.
Free Okinawa! Free Diaoyutai!
Taiwan province is already free. Keep Taiwan province of China free!
June 9, 2008 2:58 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 9, 2008 02:58
Rauol:
Sorry, that is a wrong piece. LOL
June 8, 2008 11:28 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 11:28
Rauol:
Excerpt of comment about Tibetan situation from the view of an Indian Journalist.
Simon:
These days are not quite good for you and Dalai Lama. You and Dalai have every reason to be pessimistic. Think about it, China is such a powerful nation nowadays. Not to mention the rising nationalism among 1.3 billion ordinary Chinese who refuse to budge on Tibet. In addition, simply looking at this number: 6 million Tibetans vs 1.3 billion Chinese, no wonder Dalai asked what’s the good to be hardliners (i.e. military confrontation). However, compared to our Americans, Chinese are amateurs and still at entry level in dealing racial issues. Here are some my suggestions for Chinese to learn from Americans to deal with Tibetans. If Chinese indeed finally command our American spirits, I am sure you will feel better and be at peace with Chinese
1). Stop your outdated torturing technique and try our waterboarding (endorsed by our President G. W. Bush).
2). Learn how we have dealt Branch Davidians and lit them up in flame in Waco, Texas. This may enlighten you how to deal with those violent monks, particularly Dalai Lama who has been on our CIA’s payroll ($180,000 a year)
3). Learn our extraordinary rendition, torture by proxy and CIA’s secret prisons.
4). Learn how we loosen up prisoners in Abu Ghraib.
5). Learn our Gitmo system.
6). Learn how to manipulate media and fake the evidence in order to invade another country for oil. Learn the art of PR of how we “liberated” Iraqis and were welcomed with rice and flower. Now Iraqis have the unprecedented freedom to kill each other (plus we also provide weapons and teach them hand by hand).
7). Learn how we have dealt with Native Indians and how we show the world of their wonderful Indian reservation. Adding a casino would be a plus. We believe that this is particularly relevant to your Tibetan problem.
8). Learn how to conduct human experiments to advance science and medicine. One excellent example is the Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study initiated by the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS), now called Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). See how we white Americans advance our human science by withholding penicillin and let the disease to spread and kill.
June 8, 2008 11:15 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 11:15
Finally, I think we come to an agreement. Taiwan should stay the way it is forever. Economic integration with China should continue. I call this federalism through economic integration. Tibetan separatism will fade away with time. War is no longer necessary. Universalization of Western liberal democracy has stalled. Countries begin to see that democracy can take many forms.
Coercion/force no longer works in international affair. We can look forward to world peace. China then will start to reform its political system and move towards a more open and accountable government. Isn't that nice? The next question will be, why do the US still need 12 aircraft carriers group, 700 oversea military installations, and 6,000 nuclear warheads that can wipe out this planet twice. Is that what imperialism is? Does that has anything to do with democracy? The US democracy combined with imperialism is the worst of all.
June 8, 2008 10:50 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 10:50
"Long live fascism"? What are you talking about?
Who are you, Anonymous? You must be one of those right wing jerks. We are campaigning for Senate Obama. He will be our next president and you will be ruled by us. Yes, we have black skin color, so what? We will occupy White House and you will see the black faces everyday. No wonder why you end up in the hospital. Maybe you should stay there forever.
June 8, 2008 8:03 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 08:03
Finally, the hurts stop. I need to check into a hoshiptal. But they would let me use the computer. What should I do ? Free Taiwan, Free Tibet, Free US, Free Japan. Long live Democracy. Long live fascism.
June 8, 2008 6:58 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 06:58
(Reuters) - Taiwan's top China negotiator, P.K. Chiang, will lead a team to Beijing from June 11-14 to negotiate with his counterpart, Chen Yunlin, on establishing direct weekend flights and increasing Chinese tourist visits to the island.
June 8, 2008 6:41 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 06:41
Taiwan would be enjoying it's independent status quo for a long long time!
June 8, 2008 2:01 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 02:01
My last will is for Taiwan to be independent forever!
June 8, 2008 1:57 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 01:57
Mao Zedong was a wolf in a girl’s robe, a devil with a human face but the heart of a beast!
June 8, 2008 1:53 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 01:53
Raoul
You are correct. You are always right.
June 8, 2008 1:22 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 01:22
I am really sorry for what I said too. Please, forgive me Shawn.
June 8, 2008 1:20 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 01:20
Shawn:
Please, forgive me.
June 8, 2008 1:16 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 01:16
I am sorry everybody. I am really sorry.
June 8, 2008 1:14 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 01:14
To piece of stupid chinese buthurt Sharon Stone weaboo:
1: its all the same stupid butthurt chinese
2: i dont care what stupid butthurt chinese are trying to say
3: you post prove me that i am right and you are the real loser here you stupid chinese
June 8, 2008 1:11 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 01:11
I am sorry. I sometimes post nonsense when I am high on rocks. Please, I did not know what I was saying. I feel very bad. Shawn, I am really sorry.
June 8, 2008 1:10 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 01:10
""Free governments around the world have announced that residents can use the term “Okinawa” instead of the occupier “Japan” on their household registration the Central News Agency (CNA) reported yesterday.
China's benign rule of its Taiwan province continues to be a model around the world.""
hey, butthurt arXehole sip to lie here.
June 8, 2008 1:07 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 8, 2008 01:07
Taiwanese can use ‘Taiwan’ on forms in Tokyo.
Tokyo Prefecture announced that resident foreigners can use the term “Taiwan” instead of “China” on their household registration.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2008/06/08/2003414171
June 7, 2008 7:33 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 19:33
Free governments around the world have announced that residents can use the term “Okinawa” instead of the occupier “Japan” on their household registration the Central News Agency (CNA) reported yesterday.
China's benign rule of its Taiwan province continues to be a model around the world.
June 7, 2008 5:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 17:03
Japan’s Tokyo Prefecture has announced that resident foreigners can use the term “Taiwan” instead of “China” on their household registration, or koseki, in its jurisdiction, the Central News Agency (CNA) reported yesterday.
CNA cited a report in the Japanese-language daily Sankei Shimbun yesterday as saying that Tokyo Prefecture would allow in-coming residents from Taiwan to register using the term “Taiwan” for their nation of origin.
This is the first instance in which a Japanese prefecture has allowed the use of the term “Taiwan” in official documents, and will help ensure the rights of Taiwanese residents abroad in Tokyo, CNA said.
my kudos for the Tokyo Prefecture.
June 7, 2008 4:55 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 16:55
I agree Anonymous is sore loser. He bites like a dog everywhere on internet.
June 7, 2008 2:07 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 14:07
to stupid chinese Sharon Stone weaboo:
i dont care..
June 7, 2008 12:41 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 12:41
To stupid Anonymous:
You are poor fish and sore shXt loser! What the stupid trash!
June 7, 2008 12:25 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 12:25
--You also know it's name is Inner Mongolia, not Mongolia!--
you know it not, that real name for those areas is SOUTH MONGOLIA. "Inner Mongolia" was just another stupid translation of stupid chinese nazis. i used it for you because you are so damn stupid to understand what i was talking about you stupid chinese.
--then there's difference, they didn't get independent like Mongolia.--
There is no difference. they were independent. South mongolians are still fighting for their freedom you discusting chinese pig.
--if your logic is this way, should New Mexico state belong to Mexico?--
go to south mongolia and talk with local mongols you chinese pig. they are maybe flood by chinese pigs wich are destroyin their lifestyle and nature but mongols in south mongolia do not want to be called chinese you discusting pig from China.
--you can come out with assertion without even thinking, I don't think it's worth to waste my time arguing with you.--
you are everytime welcome to shut you stupid chinese mudhole of mouth and to leave this topic you discusting chinese nazi.
June 7, 2008 8:22 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 08:22
"Note: Neither the Republic of China nor the People's Republic of China were invited to the San Francisco Peace Conference, and neither were parties to the San Francisco Treaty. The Republic of China concluded a separate Treaty of Peace with Japan in 1952."
--So what? China still acsepted SanFrancisco Agreement about taiwanese referendum. --
you are still a failture.
June 7, 2008 8:15 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 08:15
With direct flights, the mainland girlies would be plying their trade across the straits.
June 7, 2008 2:54 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 02:54
Tibetan in Exile--we need money!:
Yes, our Holiness gets all the attention and money (though not from Sharon Stone) from your governments. But what about us who actually do the shouting, grabbing running around in costumes and waving? Sure we are born in the west and never been to China. But that is not the point. The point is that we need the Tibet issue to survive.
The recent events really helped us a lot with more financial support. But is this enough? Certainly not! We have about 30000 Tibetans living in the US. But we have hundreds of local organizations. They are getting very little money. For example, our "Free Tibet" local chapter in Utah only has a budget of just over 400000$. Why so stingy? I think the British is a little more generous. The Germans and French are talking tough but the money doesn't show. Those are peanuts. We get our lion's share from the US.
So please help us. We are really afraid that you will forget us after the Olympics are over. Please!
June 7, 2008 2:16 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 7, 2008 02:16
Taiwan is free forever and belongs to nobody else!
June 6, 2008 11:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 23:57
So sad, you cannot get your little Chinese hands on Taiwan.
Boo hoo hoo!!!
June 6, 2008 11:23 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 23:23
Funny how the racist liars who try to steal China's Taiwan province keep yelling this "independent" blah blah blah.
If it was really independent, you wouldn't have to yell.
Stop trying to steal China's provinces!
June 6, 2008 8:59 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 20:59
Don't try to cover your insecurity by using condescending remarks on people. Your disdainful attitude not only offends other readers who are intelligent beyond your imagination, but also betrays your upbringing. Go apologize to your mom!
June 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 20:28
Taiwan is already free and independent!
June 6, 2008 9:57 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 09:57
++What happens if China flood Tibet with massive immigrants and then hold a vote for independent.++
good luck with that. beside a fact that most "chinese immigrants" are not Han-chinese at all.
June 6, 2008 7:31 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 07:31
<<Isn't that the logic behind the Free Tibetan movement. What happens if China flood Tibet with massive immigrants and then hold a vote for independent.<<
hey loser. you should start to think and stop to make "if" BS.
Most chinese inside of Tibet are state/millitary workers. even if China will flood Tibet it means not that those guys have right to vote because they do not have citizenship of Tibet areas.
June 6, 2008 7:29 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 07:29
Most of the language/dialect spoken in Taiwan are originated from China except those by native Taiwanese. There are 1400 language/dialects spoken on Mainlander China. In order to move the country forward, it was practice in Mainland China that local Language/Dialect were forbidden to be used in school except Manadrin with the exception of non-Han area like Tibet. This policy is not aimed at Taiwan alone. I do not why you guys keep using this an excuse for independent movement.
Only the natives of those states excluding white and outside settlers , should be given the right to vote for independent. Isn't that the logic behind the Free Tibetan movement. What happens if China flood Tibet with massive immigrants and then hold a vote for independent.
June 6, 2008 7:24 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 07:24
So much for "greatness"...
June 6, 2008 7:17 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 07:17
++I wonder whether the natives of Alaska, California, Texas, Hawaii, the island of Garcia and Guam should be given the same right.++
pss idiot. the have those rights and they voted about already. beside a fact that Alaska, Hawaii and Guam are independent States of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. i hope you are not that dumb idiot who cant search in internet to find out what "constitutional" federal republic and "state" mean.
June 6, 2008 7:01 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 07:01
++The dialects of the so-called Taiwanese use are Chinese dialects++
sometimes i wish i can kick you into face. just to make your arrogant stupidity come back to your arse.
Because chinese goverment declarate languages to dialects it doesnt makes them to dialects. maybe is that why chinese goverment forced whole PRC-popualtion to learn Madarin and not "local dialects". But anyway Taiwan has different languages. some of them are comming from Sinitic language group and some (around 14 languages) are native formosian languages from Austronesian language family. languages of Taiwan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Taiwan
June 6, 2008 6:54 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 06:54
"Inner Mongolia, etc is not part of China, therefore, Chinese occupation is illegal and they are fascist." It is interesting.
US purchased Alaska from the Russian without the consent of native people. Hawaii was established through force. The island of Garcia in the middle of India Ocean was brutally occupied in 1980+ with local population kicked out. Texas and California was stolen from Mexico by force. A lot of Mexicans still think those two states are theirs. I just wonder who is the fascist.
At the end of the Ming Dynasty, a Ming Dynasty General retreated to Taiwan kicked out settlers from Holland and used it as a base to fight the Government in Beijing. Most of the so-called Taiwanese are descendents of his soldiers. There is a shrine of the General in Southern Taiwan in memory of him. The only real Taiwanese are those called mountain people in Taiwan. The rest are immigrants from China. The dialects of the so-called Taiwanese use are Chinese dialects.
Chang's government was given back two islands by the US government after WWII, Taiwan and Okinawa. Chang only accepted Taiwan. And immigrant from China to the island continued. If Taiwan should be given the right to vote for independent, I wonder whether the natives of Alaska, California, Texas, Hawaii, the island of Garcia and Guam should be given the same right.
June 6, 2008 6:43 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 06:43
You can stick to your version of history.
Good luck convincing it to the Taiwanese and Tibetans.
June 6, 2008 6:25 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 06:25
Peter:
"civil war is over"
Said who ? Look at North and South Korea. It is the same thing. Both of them still claim sovernity of the terrority of the others.
June 6, 2008 5:58 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 05:58
Peter:
"civil war is over"
Said who ? Look at North and South Korea. It is the same thing. Both of them still claim the terrority of the others.
June 6, 2008 5:58 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 05:58
--Well, for the guy who claimed the future of Taiwan should be determined by all peoples in Taiwan. I'm touched by your courage and willing. But that's just as stupid as .--
can you please spare you dumb comments about other people. just because it was a part of san francisco teatries wich BTW was acsepted by chinese goverment you stupid idiot.
June 6, 2008 5:34 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 05:34
>>no Chinese claim Mongols be part of China by now
gosh your stupidity must be famous in internet.
i do ask you now what are chinese doing inside of Inner Mongolia, Kashgaria, Qinghai and Mandchuria then? Leave those mongolia land and dont claim on it again!
June 6, 2008 5:32 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 05:32
++That's why the problem raise over here, no Chinese claim Mongols be part of China by now, and no such so called "invasion" to Mongols for more than half century, but there's claim over Xizang which you called Tibet.++
FREE SOUTH MONGOLIA!
CHINESE GO HOME!
June 6, 2008 5:21 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 05:21
Well, for the guy who claimed the future of Taiwan should be determined by all peoples in Taiwan. I'm touched by your courage and willing. But that's just as stupid as ...(forgive me, I couldn't find a comparison).
Why there was American Civil war in the 1860s? if the fate can be determined by southern state, why the northern still put it on war and force it into the Federal union? Well, you can call the southern states are evil and use slavry? How about the Tibet today? it's 150 years after American Civil War, your guys still support a guy who wanted to turn Tibet back to salary society!
Another way, if the fate could be determined by the people living on the land regardless of the rest of the country. Can Taiwan allowed independent of Taipei, Tainan, Miaoli Makung,Chunan,and other cities if the people there claimed so? would it allowed Taiwan to spillit into 10 or 20 independent "countries" if the people there willing so? You are such a saint, but better you ask the rest if they agree with you or not!
June 6, 2008 4:44 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 04:44
Beside, if you compare Mongols and Taiwan and Xizang, why you don't wonder there's no "obsession" towards Mongols from Chinese? It's part of China from Genghis Khan. Or you could say China was part of it along with Tibet. But eventually still become China until it's independent in 1911. The independent was officially recognized by the then government of China in 1945 after WWII. Tibet was also planned to declare independent with support of British, but has never been granted with acceptance by the then and now Chinese Governments.
That's why the problem raise over here, no Chinese claim Mongols be part of China by now, and no such so called "invasion" to Mongols for more than half century, but there's claim over Xizang which you called Tibet.
I never understand your English speaking peoples how to define the word "Invasion", if your army stationed at part of your territory which you never allowed it to independent is called Invasion, do you mean the US Marine stationed at Hawaii is considered as invasion? I've heard there are independent claim by the natives even it's still a small voice.
June 6, 2008 4:27 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 04:27
Dude to Shawn:
China's obsession with Taiwan and Tibet is exactly like fascist Hitler's obsession with "liberating" Austria, claiming that Austria belonged to the German people.
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So the point now is:
whether the relation between Germany and Austria is same as Mainland China to Xizang and Taiwan, right?
Let's assume your logic is correct. (which obviously is nonsense, as there are so many territory disputes among countries, they all are fascists?), so if Germany to Austria is same as Mainland China to Xizang and Taiwan, then the Chinese would be called fascist, right?
This is really funny, I would assume you don't have much history knowledge if you are not intentionally compared this way. There are historical records and proof that Xizang and Taiwan are part of China for hundreds years. But I couldn't figure out when Austria was part of Germany. Could any friends from Austria tell us if Austria was part of Germany in the history?
June 6, 2008 4:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 04:06
Let's hope Taiwan and Tibet will have further meaningful discussions with China.
June 6, 2008 3:32 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 03:32
Anonymous June 6, 2008 2:18 AM:
++Vietnam was never Chinese province.++
Boy, some Chinese are so brain-washed, they need a history lesson.
June 6, 2008 2:22 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 02:22
++This former Chinese province is tenaciously independent, and has fought off invaders from China, France and USA.++
Vietnam was never Chinese province. Stop to call forign empires chinese only because they rulled China and Vietnam in a same time.
June 6, 2008 2:18 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 02:18
++The economy is already so closely linked with the mainland, the ties of language and family are so close, Taiwan would remain part of the greater family of China.++
you miss a big point here. Taiwan is going to make own national and most Taiwanese who are not linked by family "connections" with mainlanders dont see themselfes as chinese. about "greater family of China" you should see that funny youtube video where official chinese is going to atack taiwanese children because they were holding taiwanese flag.
++If the majority of people on Taiwan really want to be independent, why should you wish to prevent it?++
you must understand that Taiwanese people are splitted into different parties. one party wich was illigaly immigrate back in 50'ens together with Chian Kai Chek has most money in Taiwan and will do nothing aside to come back. zheir problem are new taiwanese laws wich dont let them go away with high-tech firms back to China and bad chinese laws wich dont let them to have a same freedom like in Taiwan. So they are going to built some "one state 2 systems" crap, where they can rule Taiwan like rich Honkongnese do it back in Honkong now. another their problem is that Taiwan is not Honkong.
++Unlike the situation in the US Civil War, in which a massive portion of the territorial United States wished to secede, with overwhelming economic and security implications for the country, Taiwan is an island of a little over 20 million people.++
1: Taiwan is not that small. you must see taiwanese areas inside of South-China Sea. and taiwanese geo-strategical position is very interesting when you are looking on chinese expansion into pacific.
++An independent, or federal, Taiwan would still be economically integrated with the mainland.++
actualy not. to be independent means that Taiwan can make bussines with whole world and that means Taiwan dont need USA and China to sell own production to african and other countries. Btw. Taiwan will do great job being helpfull with Phillipines and other poor east-asian countries.
++Moreover, without the threat of attack, it would likely balance itself between China and the US, wishing to be beholden to neither.++
China is not interested in Balance inside of South-Chinese Sea. Tipp; see chinese talking on the meeting with Gates. some chinese general is going so far to tell koreans they should cut relationship with USA and draw to chinese masters.
++Finally, China would generate such a swell of international good will and admiration that one would see a marked drop in criticisms of the country's government.++
oh dear. sorry but you are wrong. its paradox but china is not interested in calming critism either. Why? very simple. See chinese torch mess. after that China got many chinese close to own nazi agenda just by cheap internet propaganda.
++A Great Power is marked by magnanimity. China should show some++
not for China. China saw great power only when chinese people are inside of your home and eating from your table when 3 chinese soldiers are looking how you are making a food for new chinese masters.
June 6, 2008 2:13 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 6, 2008 02:13
China's obsession with Taiwan and Tibet is exactly like fascist Hitler's obsession with "liberating" Austria, claiming that Austria belonged to the German people.
June 6, 2008 1:20 AM | Report Offensive Comments