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To : A BUTTHURT Anonymous,

There is another word to describe "狗口長不出象牙 = Impossible to find ivory in a dog's mouth". The connotation is you cannot expect the bad guy can utter anything good.

Television networks that will broadcast the Beijing Olympics to billions around the world are squaring off with local organizers over stringent security that threatens coverage of the games in two months.
In response to the complaints from broadcasters, Sun Weijia, head of media operations for the Beijing organizers, asked them to put it in writing, only to draw protests about mounting paperwork.

"I think what I have heard here are just a number of conditions or requirements that are just not workable," said IOC official Gilbert Felli, according to minutes of the May 29 meeting obtained by The Associated Press. "There are a number of things that are just not feasible."

Despite the outburst, Sun asked again to have the complaints in writing.

"I just wish to have a kind of document to help me identify the key points," he said, drawing immediate protest.

"How many times do we have to do that?" asked Manolo Romero, an Olympic broadcasting official.

With time running out before the games open on Aug. 8, the minutes hint that procedures broadcasters have used in other Olympics are conflicting with China's authoritarian government. Some plans are months behind schedule, which could force broadcasters to compromise coverage plans.

The meeting in Beijing included representatives of nine broadcasters, each of which has paid for the rights to broadcast the Olympics. Top IOC officials and Beijing organizers were also on hand in what one TV executive termed an "emergency meeting."

Non-rights holding broadcasters — news organizations that have not bought TV rights to cover Olympic action at the venues — did not attend the meeting but also are concerned about delays and security restrictions.

"We are two weeks away from putting equipment on a shipment and we have no clearance to operate, or to enter the country or a frequency allocation," said Sandy MacIntyre, director of news for AP Television News. APTN is the television arm of The Associated Press.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jZQlFFurD2ZlbELDE_X1jGKo12vwD916119G0

TO BUTTHURT SICHUAN FAG_GOT..

there is an old word:

"stick your chinese words where the sun doesnt shine and stop to atack other people with your stupid lies."

To : Nasty Proud

* 80% of the building at the epicenter collapsed.

It's the old word in Chinese :
"To find solution is the way to success;
To put excuses leads to failure!"

Only inferior guy will pick the known issue among all happenings to stimulate people's psychological emotion when they were suffered from lossing relatives.

Jounalist are forebidden to enter into the risky area for simply the reason of potential risk of broken barrier lakes that the water will fill over the villages and the potential virus outbreaks.

Always quoted with reference to someone said is stupid. It's another old words in Chinese "Rumors stop by wisdom!"

China orders journalists to end negative quake coverage

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/2091084/China-earthquake--journalists-orderered--to-end-negative-quake-coverage.html

To : The Principal,

May I elaborate the actual meaning between "disaster" and "event" : -

Disaster is defined when an emergency situation posing significant danger to life and property that results from a natural cause. Natural Disasters and Catastrophes

Natural disasters occur when extreme magnitude events of stochastic natural processes cause severe damage to society. "Catastrophe" is used about an extreme disaster caused by natural forces rather than by human action, e.g. (floods, cyclones, tornadoes, blizzards, droughts, earthquakes and tsunamis etc..

In terms of "Tiananman Square", it is classified as the political event which is different from diaster. Event means something that happens at a given place and time with its cause and effect.

Political events occured in America that lead to never ending debates from people with different perspectives :-

Example One :
Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas. Lee Harvey Oswald was charged with the crime and was murdered two days later by Jack Ruby before he could be put on trial. The Warren Commission concluded that Oswald had acted alone in killing the president; however, the House Select Committee on Assassinations declared in 1979 that there was more likely a conspiracy that included Oswald. The entire subject remains controversial, with multiple theories about the assassination still being debated. The event proved to be an important moment in U.S. history because of its impact on the nation and the ensuing political repercussions.

Example Two :http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_701610462/u_s_-iraq_war.html
U.S.-Iraq War, military action begun in 2003 with a United States invasion of Iraq, then ruled by the authoritarian regime of Saddam Hussein. The invasion led to a protracted U.S. occupation of Iraq and the birth of a guerrilla insurgency against the occupation. The resulting destabilization of Iraq also created conditions for a civil war to break out between Iraq’s majority Shia Muslim population and its minority Sunni Muslim population. In addition to attempting to quell the insurgency, U.S. forces also found themselves trying to police the civil war. By 2007 the U.S. war in Iraq had lasted longer than U.S. involvement in World War II.

U.S. president George W. Bush had openly threatened war for months prior to the U.S. invasion. Bush argued that in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, Saddam Hussein’s regime posed a grave threat to U.S. security and peace in the region because of its alleged pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and links to international terrorism.

Will that be the man-made disaster for that as human being should try the best to avoid or take prevention rather than something being destroyed by the natural disaster that is beyond the human's control.

In conclusion, it's not wise to link the topic of disaster to another subject on political events. Then, it will lead to another debates of why more natural disaster occured in Africa and Asia with greater damages in terms of lifes and property. The population variation betwen the wealthy western versus the poverty in Africa & Asia and its geographic envornment is one of the factor that we believe people in Asia and Africa may have deeper understanding to distingush the "Disaster" vs "Event".

China urged to carry over quake openness to Tiananmen protests

http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USPEK288605

To : Professor,

May I further elaborate the meaning you quoted :
"The biggest fear the Communist leaders have is losing control. As Mao once remarked, "a single spark — can start a raging forest fire." In Chinese "星星之火，可以燎原", it is an old and common idiom. The deeper of the meaning is not just purely interpreted from the words, but with higher level of extensive meaning.

"小火點可以引起燎原大火。語本書經˙盤庚上：若火之燎于原，不可嚮邇，其猶可撲滅。比喻小事能釀成大禍，或微小的力量，可以發展成強大的勢力。如：雖然大眾並不了解目前的作法，但星星之火，可以燎原，只要我們努力宣揚，前途一定是光明的
。The small fire point may cause the prairie in fire. In phrase book Shu Jing ˙ plate age: If fire which is the original source cannot be escaped but be probably to exterminate. Similarily, the minor matter may lead to catastrophe, or the small strength, may develop the greatest influence or power. Although there is no available solution, with the diligent effort, a little spark can expand, leading to certainly the bright future."

In Chinese way, it's not always politics, it's humanity; philanthropy and love from the leader by heart. This is exactely the highest spirite of human behavor to express the feelings which is exposed to melt the heart of Chinese that they call "Blood is thicker / richer than water 血濃於水; means the un-dividable relation and careness of love just like father and son; as close as the members in the family."

It's too sensitive to comment what the Beijing Leader acted recently is a fear, the greatest of all are their kindheartedness beyond responsibilities. Putting any political action and thought is based upon ethical thought through people's natural morality.

If the CCP dynasty is as successful as the previous Qing dynasty, then it will be around for another two centuries.

China quakes and the children die
New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman's book tells us "The World Is Flat." For the people of China,, it was crushed at 2:28 p.m. on May 12, 2008.

It is feared that the recent earthquake in China may be responsible for the death of 50,000, with a large percentage of them school-aged children.

Often when you witness tragedy far from home, it is sad, but distant. This tragedy has had a tight grip on my heart and has been up-close and personal. I have traveled to China many times since 1989. Cites like Beichun, Chendu, Chongquing, Wenchung and Mianyang, which sound far off and foreign to many, are where my friends and colleagues call home. What the people in these cities are feeling - pain, anguish and fear - is numbing.

After the quake, I spoke to my colleague and friend from Chendu, who was visiting Mianyang University where I serve as an honorary professor. He told me the central city of Mianyang was not hard hit, but the countryside was devastated. The local stadium is filled with the injured, homeless and childless. Many schools toppled, killing thousands of the "one family, one child" children.

Close to home
I was scheduled to be in China during this time - specifically in Mianyang, near the epicenter of the earthquake - when it struck. Fortuitously, I postponed my travels until the fall.

My Chinese friend spoke with pride about how his country is "doing whatever it takes" to help the people impacted by the quake. He pointed out that Premier Wen Jiabo, China's second-in-charge, is at the epicenter directing the relief effort and giving comfort to the people. He thanked the people of America for their concern and offers to help the Chinese people. He went on to say, like the Olympic theme, One World-One Dream, "everyone is pulling together to help in a time of need - but today we face a nightmare."

There are many Michigan connections to the area where the quake hit. Governor Blanchard signed a sister state/province relationship with Sichuan Province in the early 1980's. Michigan State University has faculty doing research at the Wolong Panda Reserve at the epicenter of the quake. Ford Motor Company has factories and employees in Chongquing and both Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano and Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson have built economic and educational bridges with this part of China.

Southeast Michigan is home to thousands of Chinese people. Multiple Chinese Associations have come together to join hands to ask their U.S. neighbors to help their families and friends back in China (see www.cagd.org).

As time passes, countless families will cremate their dead. It is never natural to bury your children. Children in China are revered as the 4-2-1 child (four grandparents, two parents and one, and only one, child). Parents lost their child. Children lost their parents and grandparents. Who will take care of those who remain?

The "Iron Rice Bowl" commitment of life-long socialist government support is gone. Losing a child, while painful at any time, takes on the extra burden of losing not just their child but their future. The only child for many of these rural Chinese people is their lifeline to a better future, along with being their 401k, social security, pension and Medicare - in short, their lives.

Eventually the pain will begin to subside - and anger is likely to emerge.

Initially, the Central Chinese government has been given good grades (especially juxtaposed to the negligence of the Myanmar officials after the cyclone) for the relatively quick response after the initial quake.

However, the anger at local officials for the "shoddy construction" of the schools that collapsed like decks of cards on their children is beginning to boil.

The biggest fear the Communist leaders have is losing control. As Mao once remarked, "a single spark — can start a raging forest fire."

The Tiananmen Square protest in 1989 was more than a march for "freedom and democracy." It was also - in a big way - a call for the end of "corruption by government officials."

Deng Xiaoping, the Chinese leader who followed Mao and is credited with opening China to the world, said, "When you open the window - all the flies can come in." With instant communication, video, cell phones, etc., the Chinese people and the world have watched this tragedy unfold literally before their eyes.

Will the Chinese Central Government respond in ways that produce "screens" that will keep the angry flies out - or could the worst earthquake that has hit China in 30 years expose vulnerabilities in the Chinese veneer? Like other natural disasters, most recently hurricane Katrina and the cyclone in Myanmar, these events have a way of exposing a great deal about the fabric of a country.

Blame will surely be assessed and harsh punishment will be meted out.

Yet the needs of the Chinese people will remain. Please give generously.

Give2Asia

Disaster Recovery Fund

P.O. Box 193223

San Francisco, CA 94119-3223

USA Phone (415) 743-3336

Fax (415) 392-8863

www.give2asia.org

Tom Watkins is a business and education consultant who does work in the US and Asia. He served as Michigan's State Superintendent of Schools 2001-2005 and Mental Health Director, 1986-1990. He can be reached at tdwatkins@aol.com.

To : American Observer,

We don't see any sense of mercy from you neither any mankind feeling as a human being extended on this tragegy which was classified as the natural disater; all you behaved just like a villain picking part of the society problem to criticize that we don't see you can contribute anything. All the problems are well acknolwedged and sure Chinese Authority and People will investigate the cause and effect. There were few hundreds thousands of buildings were collapsed not only the schools. That is to say China is still a poor country under development. Particularly those buildings are many funded by the charity with limited budget that of course revealed the reality of economic effect. Before there are any proven evidence found and judgement made; the priority for China and her people are still strgguling to rescue the rest and to migrate milions people from the dangerous areas that will be covered by the water right soon. Close to 40 dangerous barrier lakes caused by the earth quake that will soon be broken will cause uncountable damages.

For you to learn, there are thousands of stories from which many are so respectful value of human spirite with love, brave, sacrifices and wishes to draw their hearts unselfishly help each other and to unite Chinese all over the world extending their support hand in hand and heart by heart to enlightening SiChuan people with hope from their saddness and hopeless.

I will urge those with different perspectiv view on China has to learn the Kaizen model, there will be certainly teaching you on what is important for a paradigm change.

The Burmese junta is put to shame by China's disaster handling.

The junta is refusing foreign military aid for its cyclone victims for fear that it would signal the beginning of regime change.

I have learnt from Tibetans to respect the Nature.
In every meaning at every moment of the day. I have listen to scarying stories about the revenge of the mountain and so on.
I must say I thought it was all superstition but what happened is just a further confirmation.
There is not to blame just chinese for the rape of the territory, everywhere in Europe, US etc human actions have deteriorated the soil (e.g)rivers, forests......

We all know that the recent earthquake killed thousands of Chinese children in their classrooms, and we all know that those schoolhouses fell down because local officials accepted bribes in order to allow substandard construction. Nonetheless, some people on this board, including 'Thmak', have said that all of the schools that fell were built correctly, and none of the children died because of corruption. Nonetheless, the Chinese who live in the quake zone are filled with fury, and they are forcing the Chinese Communist Party to admit the truth. You can read more about it in the Washington Post article below.

I quote:

"School Collapse Furor Gives Rise to Contrition
Official in China Withdraws From Olympic Relay After Admitting Lax Oversight on Construction

Picking Up the Pieces

China continues recovery efforts after a devastating 7.9-magnitude earthquake hit central China on May 12, 2008, and rendered millions of people homeless.

MIANYANG, China, May 29 -- A local Sichuan province official has withdrawn from the Olympic torch relay after acknowledging that lax government oversight of construction may have contributed to the collapse of dozens of schools that killed at least 9,000 children in this month's earthquake.

Lin Qiang, vice inspector of the province's educational department, said the buildings might have been able to better withstand the quake's force 'if we educational officials hadn't left loopholes for corruption,' the government-run New China News Agency reported Thursday. Lin said he had to 'reject the honor' of carrying the torch.

Faced with mounting parent anger over their children's deaths, a government-organized team of building engineers has begun inspecting at least one of the devastated schools. At Fuxin No. 2 Primary School in Mianzhu city, investigators took photos of the ruins and samples of the tons of concrete and bricks that crushed to death 127 students, according to a parent who is monitoring the situation. "

Unquote.

You can read the rest of the article at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/29/AR2008052902762.html

thank you for the words of wisdom. It is good to see some enlightened words for a change.

Does it not seem however that there is a stronger impediment to achieving true happiness and progress these days than at any other time in history? Is there an external pressure being excerted on the whole that is being expressed in the people's increasing levels of fear and anger?

In the storm of life we struggle through myriads of stimuli of pressure, stress, and muti-problems that seek for a solution and answer. We are so suppressed by the routine of this every life style that most of us seem helpless. However, if we look closely to ancient techniques we shall discover the magnificent way to understand and realize the ones around us and mostly ourselves. If only we could stop for a moment and allow this to happen. May all beings be happy (Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu)
Eartquake in China ia a tragic incident. It may be due to the deeds against nature. Let Chinese authirities do justice to Tibetans and recognise Sri. Dalai Lama.
It is important to draw upon the high self, the He is, for guidance and inspiration. It is you, the highest expression of yourself. Everything in the universe like all other holy places, is a symbolic representation of processes that occur within yourself on the journey of enlightenment.

Kittie says:

"It's interesting how your comments have gradually progressed from facts and conclusions that actually had a somewhat strong base to insults about someone's English of all things."

American Observer replies:

Kittie, go back and read what I actually said. I never 'insulted' anyone's English. Instead, Thmak said I was not answering his question because I was afraid to answer it, and I replied that I was not answering his question because I could not understand it; and when Thmak called me a liar, I took the time to explain what was wrong with his vocabulary and his grammar. If that bothers you, I suggest that you stop insulting me and then go see if you can go back and translate his question into English for me. That would contribute a lot more to this board than your personal abuse has.

Condolences to victims of the earthquakes

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/05/20080512-1.html

Geeze, I can't believe I've wasted my time reading the comments. Some of these posts are really childish, though the one person that keeps standing out is "American Observer" It's interesting how your comments have gradually progressed from facts and conclusions that actually had a somewhat strong base to insults about someone's English of all things. Wow...talk about back-tracking. I did think that your first few arguments were sound and interesting, so could you please calm down, stop it with the insults, and go back actually debating? Whatever happened to common courtesy?

Sharon Stone has apologized for her "karma" remarks and feels "deeply sorry"

http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2008/05/29/sharon-stone-china-face-markets-cx_po_0529autofacescan01.html

either you don't believe the world you live in is as alive as you are, or you don't quite understand the concept of kharma. Either way, to ignore the intent behind the event is to not learn the lesson imparted. Take benefit of this gift Earth has given you and don't worry about what others think or say, do the right thing and those who are wrong will melt away on their own. Antagonize and encourage them and you ensure that they will not go away. Counterintuitive, I know, but since you creatures don't have intuition, thought I might let you know.

To : Dragon Truth,

An open forum provides freedom to people urging others to shut up when something wrong totally foundamental wrong in concept by mixing everything together using wrong example (the victims)to revenge someone who hate. Such statement to use Karma to describe as the result after 60,000 people died in order to punish on their opposed political group? Let them hurt? What kind of a crazy concept ?
Sichuan Earth Quake is a NATURAL DISASTER which HAS BEEN coincidently happened during this period. It's been the long suffering in China history due to its wide geographical environment, people have been striving and struggling for survial as a result people spreading all over the places in China and move aboard for different reasons.

China has 56 races in which Tibet is just part of it. There are even few thoudsands of tribes living in Sichuan are suffered in the recent earth quake. The China Government has had a plicy to protect the individual culture, same on Tibet.

Tibet had long history with China back to 2000 years ago that you can find from :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet

The buddha was firstly introduced by WenCheng Princess during Tang Dynasty. Read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Wencheng

Americans deserved their freedom by winning a war of independence from British imperialism.

The activists can try to do the same thing if they dare, but don't expect to nag China into releasing Tibet.

I'm Still Standing says:

"....Chinese people are still here, and so is China's rule over Tibet.

What chance do the activists have of freeing Tibet? Absolutely nothing."

American Observer replies:

How courageous. An empire of more than a billion people has managed to dominate and oppress a nation of less than five million people. The Koreans defeated China and the Vietnamese defeated China, but the mighty Chinese have found a way to stand tall over the prone bodies of the Tibetans. All hail Chinese glory.

The earthquake's blow was equivalent to at least a few hundred Hiroshima bombs or many 9/11s. Yes, many towns were leveled and many people died. But Chinese people are still here, and so is China's rule over Tibet.

What chance do the activists have of freeing Tibet? Absolutely nothing.

Just Some Laowai says:

"I hope after the Dalai Lama dies the Chinese make a trumpet out of his thighbone and play a few tunes on it on CCTV in celebration of the "peaceful, holy" Tibetan culture..."

American Observer replies:

A lot of Chinese agree with you, 'Old Out.' That is why the Chinese are completely unqualified to rule Tibet, and that is why the Tibetans want the Chinese to leave their country.

Just Some Laowai says:

"The Tibet freaks are getting desperate. They are faced with a united people which refuse to be bullied by their temper tantrums..."

American Observer replies:

The Spanish said the same thing about the Mexicans, and the Russians said the same thing about the Poles and the Ukrainians. Nonetheless, a nation beaten to the Earth will rise again. The Tibetans will struggle and the Tibetans will endure, and the Tibetans will win in the end.

Sharon Stone(d) is a POS! Thanks a lot you idiot! 80,000 people are killed in Sichuan and you call it "karma"?! Karma is a meaningless concept in the first place (as if the vast universe "cares" about what happens on our tiny planet), but to speak so stupidly, it goes way beyond mere recklessness! I am so sick and tired of these Hollywood Tibet "activists" with their stupid little meetings and their precious Dalai Lama. Some of these fools can't even locate Tibet on a map! If theye are so interested in helping the poor and oppressed, how about Native Americans or our crumbling inner cities? But of course, that wouldn't be so fashionable and sexy as the precious Dalai Lama. I hope after the Dalai Lama dies the Chinese make a trumpet out of his thighbone and play a few tunes on it on CCTV in celebration of the "peaceful, holy" Tibetan culture (as if Tibet was some kind of paradise before 1951, yeah right).

The Tibet freaks are getting desperate. They are faced with a united people which refuse to be bullied by their temper tantrums, as if we Americans have any right to dictate morality to the Chinese. Grow up, Tibet freaks, and find some other cause to get all excited about.

I'm glad to see that Chinese movie companies will no longer be showing her films. Her idiotic remark should cost her big time.

May god bless her long life with 60,000 death...forever.

S he is a devil
H er stink is disgust
A udience will abandon her
R enascent witch
O fensive snake
N aive talk

Amen..

去天堂的路
The Road to Heaven

孩子，快
Child, hurry
抓紧妈妈的手
Seize mother's hand
去天堂的路太黑了
The road to heaven is very dark
妈妈怕你碰了头
Mother is afraid that your head is knocked
快，抓紧妈妈的手
Hurry, seize mother's hand
让妈妈陪你走
Let mother accompany you to walk
妈妈，怕
Mother, afraid
天堂的路确实太黑
Actually the road to heaven is very dark
我看不见你的手
I can not see your hand
倒塌的墙把阳光夺走
The collapsed wall snatch sun
我再也看不见
I never see it again
你柔情的眼眸
Your soft expression in your eye
孩子，你走吧
Child, you go ahead
前面的路
The road ahead
再也没有忧愁
It never has unhappiness again
没有读不完书
It never has endless study
和爸爸的拳头
And your father's fist
但孩子，你要记住
But child, you have to remember
我和爸爸的摸样
My and father's appearance
来生还要一起走
Also want to walk with you in next life
妈妈，别担忧
Mother, don't worry
天堂的路虽然有些拥挤
Although the road to heave is a lot crowd
但这里有很多的同学和朋友
But here there are many classmates and friends
每一个妈妈，都是我们的妈妈
Every mother, who is our mother as well
每一个孩子，都是妈妈的孩子
Every child, who is our baby as well
没有我的日子
The day without me
妈妈，你把爱给其他许许多多活着的孩子吧
Mother, You give your love to many alive child
我会记住你和爸爸的模样
I remember the appearance of mother and father
来生我们还要一起走！
We also want to walk together in next life

She was interviewed at Cannes la Croisette, not at the UN's in New York not even at some serious talk on TV. And...she is a (beautiful) actress not more than this.

Read the context chinks!
(Now she is in good company with R.Gere films banned from China)

Hey, boy who said hey 2 Dragon Truth!

Better naked butt than naked brutality! Sure Sharon can't keep her pants on but the Chinese Communist Party can't keep their claws off Tibet! I would rather look at Sharon's pretty ass than have to listen to your Red Guard propaganda! FREE TIBET!

hey kid, you don't expect us to take an actress who walks around without underwear seriously, right?

How dare anyone tell the rest of us to shut up! This site originates in the US, where we have freedom of speech. I know some of you Chinese cannot comprehend the meaning of this.

What did Sharon Stone mean by "karma"? That the CCP deserves the earthquake (no, not the innocent children or innocent people)--but I'm hoping the next big one takes down CCP by the thousand. They have amassed trillions of dollars and it's not enough for them--that money came off the backs of Tibet and Tibetans, and this is what Stone meant by "karma." That the CCP deserves every single bit of pain it may feel--though I doubt they feel a thing. Not the people. The murderous, vicious, thieving, massacring, torturing, and genocidal government of the PRC.

Yes, they killed those children in Sichuan, as surely as if they'd shot them in the back of the head--as they do political prisoners. Who is making money off the saleable organs and saleable babies? The CCP. The most brutal and repressive regime the world has ever known, when you count the dead of the last 50 years.

To : American Observor,

Stuban guy will wake up one day, and realize blind reading is your fatal problem to get prepare the new world that history may change.
You see people lost the interest in you but to ignore all your nonsense. Goodbye & good sleep.

A Han People In Canton says:

"Read http://www.historywire.com/2006/12/book_alert_the__15.html"

American Observer says:

I just read it. All this Goddard fellow does is repeat Gavin's thesis without a speck of critical reasoning of his own. Goddard does not offer any evidence to support Gavin's fantasy, and the questions that I have already asked have not been answered.

To : American Observor,

It doesn't matter the new or old, anything written with proof and supported by many others e.g. Paul Chiasson is worthwhile for you to explore..the possibility if anyone looks like Asian carried with chinese 遺傳因子gene without conscious. Paul Chiasson has his view published in 2006, he is a Canadian architect and author of The Island of Seven Cities: Where the Chinese Settled When They Discovered America, published 2006 by St. Martin's Press. In his book, he explains his thesis that Chinese voyagers settled in the Cape Dauphin area of Nova Scotia several years before the voyages of Christopher Columbus. He suggests that the indigeneous Mi'kmaq culture was influenced by these people, offering evidence in the form of possible archaeological remains, customs, costumes, art and other material culture.

Read http://www.historywire.com/2006/12/book_alert_the__15.html

I try to provide you more information but unfortunately, it's all written in Chinese that was blocked to this forum.

A Han People in Canton said:

"What you argued with reference to Gavin Menzies' finds of Zheng He' discovery was just an argument which cannot overturn the proof and the thesis made by Gavin. This is what I said as American you should explore more to check the NDA on the bones that Canadian plannned to do from the web http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/24/features/chinam.php?page=1 which is from the one of thoudsands supporters expecting the new proof."

American Observer replies:

Alright, I went to the link which you provided. I found that the web page was almost three years old; it dated from June 24 of 2005. You referred to DNA testing which was supposed to be done. I went to Google to find the results of those DNA tests, and there is no indication that those tests have ever been made. Why not?

A Han People in Canton said:

"Menzies' recent evidence has been found of what are believed to be wrecked Chinese junks in Florida, South Carolina, New York and Canada."

American Observer replies:

Your article was printed almost three years ago. Why are there still no photos of these wrecks?
Why are there still no artifacts?

A Han People in Canton said:

"More compellingly, Menzies says, a new archaeological site in Nova Scotia at Cape Dauphin, discovered by the Canadian architect Paul Chiasson and represented by photos at the exhibition, indicates an early Chinese settlement."

American Observer replies:

I went to Google.com to look that one up. The website for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation says, and I quote:

"No Chinese ruins in Cape Breton: archeologists

Last Updated: Thursday, July 27, 2006

Provincial archeologists are refuting a claim that Chinese explorers set foot on Cape Breton in the 15th century, long before the English or the French.

Cape Breton-born architect Paul Chiasson says he found ruins of a settlement while hiking on Cape Dauphin, on the eastern edge of the island.

He says there's a road, a three-kilometre-long wall that snakes down a hill and stone platforms, all of which look similar to Chinese structures.

In his book, The Island of Seven Cities: Where the Chinese Settled When They Discovered North America, Chiasson concludes that explorers from China built the settlement.

The claim was so provocative, David Christianson, curator of archeology with the Nova Scotia Museum, and four other archeologists headed out to the site to investigate for themselves.

They concluded there was no settlement at all.

'There really was nothing,' Christianson said. 'It's a high windswept plateau, cool temperature, very little soil. It wouldn't be possible for anybody to farm there.'

The archeologists say Chiasson's wall is really a fire break from the mid-20th century.

'It's pretty clear by looking at the profile of the wall that it's not a wall at all, it's simply earth that's mounted up,' said Christianson.

He said the road is not Chinese either, as other researchers in Cape Breton provided exact dates of when it was built.

The first part was constructed in the mid-20th century, Christianson said, 'but the major portion of the road was built as late as 1989.'

As for the stone, the archeologists say the clean surfaces suggest it was not cut at all, as would be the case if settlers shaped their environment.

'Everything we observed is either natural or mechanical, associated with road construction,' Christianson said.

Archeology is a field open to interpretation, he added, but it's also based on data. And in this case he said there is no data to interpret.

In the end, the five archeologists all agreed there was no human settlement in the area, Chinese or otherwise."

Endquote.

You can read the rest of the article at http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2006/07/27/capebreton-chinese.html

As I was saying before, the theories of Gordon Menzies are despised by professional historians all over the world. If you want to learn more about the Zheng He hoax, please go ahead to the web site at http://www.1421exposed.com/html/modern_exploration.html . This web site has a series of photographs of the 'ruins' on Cape Dauphin, along with plenty of photographs which show the 'Chinese' road during construction in the twentieth century.

To : America Observor ,

What you argued with reference to Gavin Menzies' finds of Zheng He' discovery was just an argument which cannot overturn the proof and the thesis made by Gavin. This is what I said as American you should explore more to check the NDA on the bones that Canadian plannned to do from the web http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/24/features/chinam.php?page=1 which is from the one of thoudsands supporters expecting the new proof. It's also mentioned that the map was originated by Kublai Khan - Chinese Emperor during the Yuan Dynasty. Many factors that were recorded to prove how the map was made :-

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96gedei_Khan During his reign, the Mongols completed the destruction of the Jurchen Jin empire (in 1234), coming into contact and conflict with the Southern Song. In 1235, under the khan's direct generalship, the Mongols began a war of conquest that would not end for forty-five years, and would result in the complete annexation of all of China. Mongol armies vassalized Korea, established permanent control of Persia proper (commanded by Chormagan) and, most notably, expanded westward under the command of Batu Khan to subdue the Russian steppe. Their western conquests included almost all of Russia (save Novgorod, which became a vassal), Hungary, and Poland. Ögedei's sons Kadan and Güyük attacked Poland and Transylvania, respectively.

Ögedei Khan had granted permission to invade the remainder of Europe, all the way to the "Great Sea," the Atlantic Ocean, and only his death prevented the possible invasions of Austria, Germany, Italy, France, and Spain, and the remaining small European principalities. Indeed, Mongol forces were moving on Vienna, launching a fierce winter campaign against Austria and Germany in the first wave into Western Europe, when Ögedei died. Some historians believe only his death prevented the complete conquest of Europe.

The Mongol expansion throughout the Asian continent under the leadership of Ögedei helped bring political stability and re-establish the Silk Road, the primary trading route between East and West.

2) Marco Polo travelled to China with his father and uncle over the Silk Road which was an overland route to China. He worked for Kublai Khan, the Mongol Emperor, for seventeen years. He sailed home instead of going overland. He brought back ivory, jade, jewels, porcelain and silk. He told about the Chinese use of coal, money and compasses. He met Rustichello, a famous writer, who wrote about Marco Polo's travels in a book called THE BOOK OF TRAVELS.

(I made the assumption was that the source of the map was spread over to Europe from Marco Polo along with so many precious materials, information and tresures from China.)

3) In the later version of Menzies, who is planning to revise his book by 2007 in light of the latest evidence, now believes that Zheng He was not the first to sail to America. "One of the mistakes I made in my book was to say that Zheng He did everything. He had a legacy. Most of the world had already been mapped by Kublai Khan's fleet," he said.

4) Menzies' recent evidence has been found of what are believed to be wrecked Chinese junks in Florida, South Carolina, New York and Canada. More compellingly, Menzies says, a new archaeological site in Nova Scotia at Cape Dauphin, discovered by the Canadian architect Paul Chiasson and represented by photos at the exhibition, indicates an early Chinese settlement.

Chiasson, in an e-mail interview, said, "The position of the wall on the side of the hill (not the summit), the layout of the wall across the hilly topography and the relationship of a small settlement located within the wall to the overall enclosure all point away from a European origin and appeared to point to a Chinese origin."

Read more before you denied the great possibility to rewrite the world history from http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/24/features/chinam.php?page=2.

Thmak says:

"If you don't understand my post, just simply say so and don't reply. Replying my posts in detail indicates you understand my post, contradicting your assumption."

American Observer says:

Thmak, as usual you don't make any sense. When you say 'my post,' what do you mean? Like most Chinese, you don't understand the English concept of plurals, so we cannot be sure whether you mean 'all of my posts,' or 'the one particular post about which we are arguing.' You are also incapable of understanding tenses in English. When you say 'you don't understand,' I cannot tell whether you mean 'you did not understand that post about which we are arguing' or if you mean 'you never understand my posts.' When you say 'indicates you understand my post' I cannot tell if you mean 'you usually understand my posts' or if you mean 'you understood the post about which we are arguing.' Finally, you really need to go to a dictionary and look up the word 'assumption.' In this case, in context I can guess that when you say 'assumption' you mean something like 'argument' or 'statement'; but you should understand that the word 'assumption' has a completely different meaning than the word 'argument.'

Do you understand anything that I am saying? Your English is terrible. You do not understand tenses, you do not understand plurals, and you seem to pull your vocabulary out of a hat. Usually I can figure out what you mean because I know Chinese culture a thousand percent better than you understand American culture. I spent three years living in China, and I spent three years listening to the kind of broken corrupt English that you use, and I know the basic assumptions of your culture anyway, so I can usually figure out what you mean despite your incompetent English.

In this case I cannot. So, if you have time, please deign to explain what on Earth you meant when you said, and I quote:

"To American Observer: If you are that knowledgeable about China, you must know that China has more than 50 different nationalities, each has her own customs and dialects. If you can fantasy that Quandong and Fujien original cultures were replaced by some China emporer, then the original cultures of those nationalities must have similarly been replaced for the same reason. Inventing 50 more different cultures is an immense intellectual task in that ancient period, unheard off in human history. China is renowned for recorded history and these empirical feats must have been honorably recorded. Therefroe, it is impossible that there is no historical record of even one of the undertaking."

Unquote.

Thmak, why do you have so much time and energy to whine that you are being mistreated, but so little time and energy to improve your arguments?

Finally, if anyone else here understands Thmak's gibberish, will you please explain it for us?

To Tothmak: "However, the occupants of these buildings survived. This proves that some buildings are better built than others in the same area.". It is always the case that some buildings are better built than others, just like cars. But how the tremor of an earth quake destroys any building depends on a lot of factors, not just the building quality itself alone. That means any unfallen building do not means they are better built. Looking up the information in wikipedia about the destruction caused by earth quakes of magnitude 8.0, I found lots of fallen buildings. Are those buildings built through bribery? If there are no earth quakes, buildings don't fall and no people get killed. A rebuke to your "The earthquake by itself will not kill.
It is the falling rocks and buildings that kill.". "The real reason may not be due to bribery, but to blame everything on the earthquake is not doing justice to the families of the dead students.", but blaming everything on bribery is not doing justice to the government either. It so happened that the schools are multi-stories instead of single story like in USA and have the highest concentration of people than any building when the earth qauke hit. So the deaths are more numerous and brutal because children are the dearest to every parents.

To American Observer: If you don't understand my post, just simply say so and don't reply. Replying my posts in detail indicates you understand my post, contradicting your assumption. I hope you understand.

Thmak, As we say in America, 'it will be a cold day in Hell' before someone like you gets to tell me that I am 'lying' about anything, at any time. if you have something to say, say it in clear English; and if you cannot write English clearly, get someone to help you; and then, when you are done, put your argument on the board. You can feel sure that I will answer it as decisively as I always do. Until then, you simply do not have enough credibility to complain about the way people treat you.

To American Observer: You have run out of rationals in your argument and have resorted to emotional outbursts, like a deranged child, to cover up your ignorance. It is unimaginable to observe that an educated person like you can so arrogantly self-proclaim "intelligent people like myself." and that you can have such a low morale and unbecoming upbringing to curse people "crazy stupid worthless people like you."," down like a monkey,". Now you understand who you are.

Excellent commentary American Observer, keep up the great posting.

I don’t think your posts are anti-Chinese nor do I think you are disrespecting Chinese culture.

It’s interesting to observer the behavior of all the Chinese nationalists here refusing to give up even an inch on their one dimensional, narrow-minded view points.

We are hearing more blather about Gavin Menzies. Friends, real scholars have been greeting the theories of Gavin Menzies with a mixture of polite skepticism and open ridicule. If you want to see some of the polite skepticism, go to http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04EFD81E30F931A35751C0A9659C8B63&scp=1&sq=%22Gavin+Menzies%22&st=nyt . If you want to see some of the open denunciations, go to http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/01/0123_060123_chinese_map.html .

Thmak says:

"To American Observer: You have been answering my posts for sometimes. So don't lie that you don't understand my post and don't excuse yourself for not understanding my post. You don't try to answer my post because you simply cannot face the fact that you are utterly talking nonsense."

American Observer replies:

Thmak, there are two kinds of people in the world. There are intelligent people like myself. When someone tells us that he does not understand our post, we sit down and explain it again. You have seen me do that several times on this board. On the other hand, there are crazy stupid worthless people like you. When someone tells a person like you that he does not understand his post, a person like you waves his finger in the air and starts hopping up and down like a monkey, shouting 'So don't lie that you don't understand my post and don't excuse yourself for not understanding my post.' Instead of revealing your complete lack of human dignity, why don't you just rewrite your post?

To : Min People in Fujian
You referred to different messages that what A Han People in Canton addressed is on the Zheng He's case that his fleet didn't rule or attack.

Along the long history of China, people around mainland China had its great assimilation due to whatever reason.
MIn, if you are a Chinese, do you recognize your race are different from the Mainland?

The Sichuen area is one of the origin of Han people. Menchuen is the village which was seriously destroyed from this 8 degree earthquake, it's going to be floated full of water. People will then run for survival spreading all over to different places. Without the boundary, people spread and expand to other places..

The greatest is the assimilation of Chinese culture sustains....with long history..

"The buildings that didn't fall don't mean that they are habitable."

However, the occupants of these buildings survived.

This proves that some buildings are better built than others in the same area.

The earthquake by itself will not kill.
It is the falling rocks and buildings that kill.

The real reason may not be due to bribery, but to blame everything on the earthquake is not doing justice to the families of the dead students.

To : American Oerserver,

No matter how you keep your head mistakenly unturn 執迷不誤 on the fact that Chinese people have been living in Guangdong and Fujian; where are those native people come from? Several reasons are due to natural disaster, migration and wars etc.. people integration together and have never denied they are ruled by Chinese. Another factor is since Qin Dynasty, the unification included Guangdong, Fujian even Taiwan in Qin's entire boundary.

One of the Chinese culture that suceeded over 5000 years is back from the written history since
The Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors (Chinese: 三皇五帝; pinyin: Sānhuáng wǔdì; Wade-Giles: San-huang wu-ti) were mythological rulers of China during the period from c. 2852 BCE to 2205 BCE, which is the time preceding the Xia Dynasty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sovereigns_and_Five_Emperors

Your thesis about the name or Jones, Gordon are commonly named for Africian- American is different from Chinese never changed their names and forget the roots or forced others to follow others to change their races or to ruin their original