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A Jihadist Worth Emulating

Abd el-Kader put greater jihad first. Muslims and non-Muslims alike should emulate his lifelong jihad for personal righteousness and control over destructive passions.

By John W. Kiser and Michael L. Owens

Jihad. The word inspires fear in Western minds. Jihad means extremist Muslims blowing themselves up in crowded markets in order to kill as many infidels as possible. Jihad means attacks like 9/11, USS Cole, Madrid, London, Beirut, and so many more. Jihad means grainy videos of masked men beheading journalists followed by even grainier videos of bearded men in dirty white robes reading demands and calling America the devil. Jihad cannot possibly be something good, right? Wrong.

Do not let the extremists fool you. What they are doing has very little connection with right Islam or true jihad. First and foremost, greater jihad is about a personal and life-long struggle for righteousness and to become a worthy servant of God (Jihad an-nafs: Jihad against oneself). Only a distant second to this idea of personal struggle is the lesser jihad of waging war to defend the faith (Jihad bil-sayf: Jihad by the sword). In cases where this physical defense becomes necessary, the Qur'an lays out very clear rules about how to engage in warfare. No harming of innocents, women, children, or the elderly. No mistreatment of prisoners. Not even the use of fire to destroy nature. In short, a very intentional, limited warfare. True jihad must be conducted in a godly manner.

Islamic scholars the world over have condemned the violent, extremist acts committed in the name of Islam, yet the negative connotation of "jihad" will not go away. In addition to reading all of the fatwas and scholarly writings against unholy jihadists, we should look to an example worth emulating: Emir Abd el-Kader. With the exception of the Iowa town named in his honor, few Westerners have heard of him. Yet there was a time when his name was celebrated internationally by Muslims and non-Muslims alike, drawing accolades from the likes of President Lincoln, Queen Victoria, and Pope Pius IX. He won the respect of the French nation despite being their enemy in war for fifteen years. When he died in 1883, the New York Times proclaimed him "one of the few great men of the century."

Abd el-Kader was raised as a Sufi scholar but was transformed by the French invasion of Algiers in 1830 into a warrior saint. For fifteen years, he battled the French occupation, earning a reputation for chivalry and compassion. Ultimately acknowledging the futility of his struggle, he surrendered, spending five years in French prisons before retiring to exile in Damascus. While in Damascus, he and his men saved the lives of ten thousand Christians during a Turkish-led pogrom, earning him international humanitarian recognition. The praise which the emir cherished most came from Mohammed Shamil, the Muslim hero of Chechnya: "You have put into practice the words of the Prophet... and set yourself apart from those who reject his example."

Abd el-Kader put greater jihad first. Muslims and non-Muslims alike should emulate his lifelong jihad for personal righteousness and control over destructive passions. For Muslims, Abd el-Kader reminds them that true jihad, or "holy exertion," lies not in the zeal of bitterly fighting whatever the cost, but in living righteously in peace and war. During a life of struggle with foreign occupation, with despair in prison and exile in a foreign land, he never allowed the demons of hatred and revenge to gain the upper hand. His timely story is one of struggle, of restraint and self control harnessed to Islamic law, as befits a man whose name means "servant of God." Those who commit crimes, call it "jihad," and call themselves "Muslims" would do well to reflect on the emir's life.

In fact, they already are. Madrasa leaders in Pakistan have requested Urdu translations of "Commander of the Faithful: The Life and Times of Emir Abd el-Kader" (Monkfish Books, 2008). After a recent presentation of the emir's story, a number of Taliban sympathizers admitted needing to reexamine their previous understanding and teaching of jihad. "Neither the fighting in Kashmir nor in Afghanistan is true jihad," declared Abdul Qadir Khamosh, a leading religious scholar in Pakistan and champion of new thinking about jihad in madrasas.

So jihad is not a bad word, but a word used badly. We in the West should take the emir's example to heart as well. We can embrace and encourage the many righteous Muslims who advocate true jihad, supporting them as they struggle against those who wrongly use their religion for perverted ends. Just as the emir battled those Christians who fought against him yet later rescued Christians who had done no harm, we too must make the elementary distinction between the many good, faithful Muslims and those few violent men who know no limit to their anger. If we are ever going to win this struggle against extremist terrorism, we must also realize that real grievances fuel this violence, including our self-righteous and misbegotten belief that we have all the answers. Perhaps a little true jihad is needed here in the West, too.

John W. Kiser has written two books on Algeria. The most recent is "Commander of the Faithful: The Life and Times of Emir Abd el-Kader." His earlier book, "The Monks of Tibhirine: Faith, Love and Terror in Algeria" won the French Siloe Prize. Kiser is on the board of the International Center for Religion and Diplomacy, where he has been active in Pakistan and madrasa reform.

Michael L. Owens is Special Assistant to the Cumbie Chair of the Institute for Conflict Analysis and Resolution at George Mason University.

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Comments (57)

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

edbyronadams said:

"Here is your evidence. Video of a living Osama bin Laden. Zawahiri too. These murderers have enough support to survive considerable pressure."
Indeed, I wonder from what source they derive their support; I really do. Whose product Ben Laden is? A problem with your memory maybe?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/binladen_cia.html

Salam
Lilia
Algeria

edbyronadams Author Profile Page:

LilyDZ,

Here is your evidence. Video of a living Osama bin Laden. Zawahiri too. These murderers have enough support to survive considerable pressure.

DebChatterjee Author Profile Page:

Actually Muslims are genetically disposed to be religious fanatics. That does not mean that each and every Muslim is a bomb-throwing Jihadi. NO. But, every Muslim shall defend Islam and overlook the atrocities committed by the radical Muslims - stating that such is an aberration and not the norm.

Regarding violence, it is stated in the Quran that killing of women, old, children and a non-combatant is forbidden. Well, first the abductions of the non-Muslims and their slaughter (shot or decapitated) is just to show that radical Muslims don't have any ethics or actually don't follow any rules when it comes to demonstrate physical violence and they (radicals) have the upper hand.

It is also known that women should be spared. That's what Quran says. Well, Allah's divine message falls on the deaf ears of his followers. The Taliban executed a British woman just because she was accused of proselytizing. Well, justice for the Taliban was swift. She was shot and then decapitated. This is link below:

http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2008-10-22/Taliban_killed_aid_worker_for_spreading_Christianity.html

Now the reason is that Taliban stated for her murder, was that because NATO troops are killing women and children, so they (Taliban) have the right to retaliate in equal terms. Of course NATO is not particularly targeting women and children in Afghanistan. It is war, and often some come in the harms way. That's how it is. But, NATO did not specifically focus on killing Muslim women like this Taliban stated. Of course, Fareed Zakaria is on record that the USA should sit down with "peaceful, non-violent yet extremist" Talibans and bridge the gap.

The bridging has begun by killing innocent women, and we are told by ordinary Muslims that "Islam is a peaceful religion". Why don't we see massive protests across the continents and in the Islamic countries against the Taliban ? Because the average Muslim is a fundamentalist in heart. S/he shall remain passive but shall support and laud the fundamentalists who dare do stuff that s/he cannot. The scale of conflict escalation between Islam and non-Islam is the major point that motivates these peaceful Muslims to engage in silent Jihad by supporting Jihad bil-Sayf.

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:


Here's the correct link of the survey:

http://www.gulfnews.com/Nation/Heritage_and_Culture/10242738.html

(followed by the remaining 4 parts)

Salam
L~
Algeria

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

Need to know what Muslims really think? Read the results of the largest ever opinion survey of the world's Muslims:

"Who speaks for Islam" By John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed.

What do the world's one billion Muslims really think? What does the silent majority of Muslims want for their lives, and in their politics? Why are the aspirations of the vast majority of Muslims in direct contrast to most of the world's impressions of Muslims?

gulfnews.com/Nation/Heritage_and_Culture/10242738.html
gulfnews.com/Nation/Heritage_and_Culture/10244450.html
gulfnews.com/Nation/Heritage_and_Culture/10245965.html
gulfnews.com/Nation/Heritage_and_Culture/10247723.html
gulfnews.com/Nation/Heritage_and_Culture/10249335.html

Bonne lecture
L~
Algeria

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

edbyronadams,

Did you carry an opinion poll? I'm Muslim and I know what I'm talking about, so please don't try to speak about something which cannot be backed by evidence. There is some 1.8 billion Muslims in the world, good luck to you!

L~
Algeria

edbyronadams Author Profile Page:

Nobody doubts that there were and are wonderful people who practice Islam. The question, when there is open conflict, is a collective one, whether the group as a whole supports the humanitarian impulses of the members or the destructive ones.

The question then is whether the actions of Ab del-Kader or Osama bin Laden are supported by action or inaction by the fellow tribal members. Unfortunately, the news today is that the latter receives more support in today's world. This sets up a group conflict, war, whether the present administration wants to use the word or not and group karma, not individual karma rules that situation. There were many wonderful people living in Hiroshima in August of 1945.

abhab Author Profile Page:

Lil addresses me thus:

“Thank Allah it's not people like you who can speak on behalf of the US. This latter is a
great and beautiful country where every individual can live the way he/she wants.”

If we who live here cannot speak on its behalf, who can? Lil of Algeria maybe?

Yes it is a beautiful country, but it is also much more than that ; it is a great country and we want to keep it that way and not allow it to be turned into a hellhole like Afghanistan or Somalia or any one of the other many failed societies, including the one you crawled out of.

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

Of course my previous comment is meant for Abhab & Deb.

L~

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

Thank Allah it's not people like you who can speak on behalf of the US. This latter is a great and beautiful country where every individual can live the way he/she wants. The Founding Fathers wanted it to be so and it is so whatever you or other twisted-minded bigoted individuals like you say.

The Proud Muslim Lilia
Algeria

“The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr” ~ Our beloved Prophet Mohamed (PBUH)

“The most excellent Jihad is that for the conquest of self.” ~ Our beloved Prophet Mohamed (PBUH)

“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.” ~ Our beloved Prophet Mohamed (PBUH)

“Feed the hungry and visit a sick person, and free the captive, if he be unjustly confined. Assist any person oppressed, whether Muslim or non-Muslim.” ~ Our beloved Prophet Mohamed (PBUH)

abhab Author Profile Page:

Maybe there are different types of Jihad, but the type that the Muslim organizations are calling for in this country is the following:
“The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions……….”

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/DN-dreher_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.4235f88.html

Deb:
The seven different Quran versions during the time of the Muslim prophet that I had mentioned earlier plus many others after his death as well as the story of the destruction of all but one copy by Uthman. are discussed in this well documented article.
The Different Arabic Versions of the Qur'an Koran Quran
(Formerly entitled, "The Seven Readings of the Qur'an"). By Samuel Green ..... He summarizes the differences into seven categories[3]. ...
http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

DebChatterjee Author Profile Page:

Lilydz:

Islam is at war with non-Islamic cultures and religions. It is a fact. Your rebuttals show that trait. You have asked us to desist from "mocking/insulting" your religion. That can mean two things:

1. Islam has skeletons in its closet to hide. That is why Quran(005:033) makes it clear that anyone who challenges Islamic doctrines intellectually must face penalties (as prescribed).

2. Our religions (which is not Islam) are bad, and we are trying to hide behind criticizing Islam.

I can assure you from my side that I do not care what you (or others) say about my "religion". Thus, # 2 option as above is invalid from my perspective. In fact, I am not concerned at all. Karl Marx was right when he thundered RELIGION IS THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES. FYI, I was born into a Hindu family that has a pantheon of multicolored, multi-faced, multi-limbed gods. Hindus worship idols, and that is basically the reason why Hindus and Muslims cannot go along at all in India.

But, my position on the above is: I do not give a damn if someone criticizes Hindu religion. As long as I am not harmed I really do not care. If I can lead my personal way of life, I have no gripes. It is your business to criticize Hindu beliefs and practices as loudly as you can till you need to see a ENT specialist.

But that is not so with Islam. Islam has used coercion and force throughout the history to enforce is supremacy. Islam has always preferred physical force (Jihad bil-Sayf) to silence any opposing voice as dictated by Quran[005:033]. So, in my view Islam is a barbaric religion because it does not respect Freedom of Speech and Expression. Contrary to what President Obama has said at Turkey today, USA is indeed at War with Islam. Free Speech (1st Amendment) vs. Religious Orthodoxy (Shariah/Quran) is the issue here.

abhab Author Profile Page:

Lilydz:
Off course when you use an innocent opinion blog as a platform to proselytize for your cult, someone needs to challenge all that nonsense you spew. You are taking advantage of our freedoms to try and tear down our belief system and our culture and replace them by your primitive ones that got you to where you are now. Check out what your organizations plans for us.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/DN-dreher_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.4235f88.html

When anyone of us is caught with a bible in your country or anyone of the other “tolerant Muslim majority societies “ he/ she will be automatically thrown in jail with the hardened criminals. It is best that you and your ilk abide by those advices that you are throwing in our face and expect to be challenged.

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

Abhab & Deb,

Just curious, what's your problem with Islam? Because you know, no one is asking YOU to convert and NO Muslim will lose sleep because of what you think. I'm neither a Christian nor a Jew nor from any other religious group but a Muslim proud about her great and perfect religion and who doesn’t hate ANY other religion; what's the use I wonder, could YOU please tell me?

Instead of focusing your efforts in hating and trying to insult MY religion in every possible way, why don't you concentrate on knowing YOUR religion(s) (if any) better? Huh?

“Improve yourself before seeking to improve others.” ~ Umar (ra)

Or do you sense a threat because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world? I feel really sorry for bigoted individuals like you. They don't know what they are losing. Are you sure you're not 'ignorant superstitious people'? Because you know, if you were neither, you wouldn't be so blatantly ignorant islamophobes.

“Knowledge raises the low, but ignorance brings down the mighty.” ~ Ali (ra)

Do you really genuinely want to know what Islam is? Check reliable sources and stop copying/pasting from anti-Islamic websites and sources. Being a racist bigoted narrow-minded individual is much easier than being a tolerant good person; this is what the greater jihad is all about: striving to better one’s self in every possible way.

“A person's true wealth is the good deeds that he does in this world.” ~ The Prophet Mohammed (may God bless him and grant him peace)

You have a challenging question about Islam? You’re so sure about embarrassing any Muslim with your very clever question proving that Islam is a fake religion and that Qur’an is a fabrication? Go ask a REAL scholar in websites like readingislam.com and try to embarrass them.

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1097413199176&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam/Topic/DIESectionList

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1097413199172&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam/Topic/DIESectionList

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1121601592958&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/Page/AskAboutIslamCounselingE

islamic.org.uk/I4WM/amazing.htm

islamfortoday.com/webmaster.htm

harunyahia.com/

In addition to the other links I mentioned in my previous messages.

Salam
Lilia
Algeria

“Reflection is the key that opens the door to mercy. Do you not see? One first reflects and then repents!” ~ Sufyan ibn Uyayna

“Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.” ~ Einstein

abhab Author Profile Page:

Deb:
"Al Masahef" by Daood alSajistani vol.1 p144-149 lists all the variations in the Quran verses. The problem with this as with the earlier link
http://audio.islamweb.net/audio/inde,php.
(Page rewayat) is it is in Arabic.
A good documentary in English about the corruption of the Quran even before the time of Uthman is in the following cite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUWOBBWtC8g

abhab Author Profile Page:

Deb.
The story about Caliph Uthman burning of all the copies of the Quran except his is well known in the Arab history. The history of the Arabs by Phillip Hitte and the more recent one by Albert Hourani are among the best books on that subject that are written in English.
Even after Uthman issued his own annotated copy yet the copies in use now have over 3000 discrepancies, according to a periodical issued by the Muslim Azhar University, called Daerat al Ma’aref al Islamiah vol.26 page 8187. This is besides the discrepencies between the Sunni and the Shia Qurans
An Islamic site on the internet cited below shows the verses and the changes in them.
http://audio.islamweb.net/audio/index

There are three popular versions of the Quran that are in use today ; one called the Warsh quran, another the Qanun quran and a third the Hafs quran.

DebChatterjee Author Profile Page:

ABHAB wrote:

"It is worth noting that their prophet admitted to having seven versions of Quran, yet it seems that every one of Mohammad’s companions had their own copy. The Syrians had their own set of Qurans, and so the Iraqis and the Hejazi’s, and fearing a civil war the Caliph Othman collected all the copies and destroyed them except for the one that he picked, which off course is the version that gave him and his branch of the family the legitimacy to lord over all the Muslims of his time. So much for the myth that their book was not corrupted."

This is amazing ! Can you provide me with some independently verifiable information ? I am linking The Atlantic Monthly site which speculates that Quran was perhaps rewritten, and is not the final form as Muhammad received the revelation. So, parts of it were perhaps man-made.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran

However, do you have distinct additional evidences that may support your views as above ?

abhab Author Profile Page:

In a brief answer to the inquiries of our Australian friend as enumerated below.
He asks thus:
“Specifically, some of the main ones I have heard:
1.The Qur’an demands that all Muslims kill all non-Muslims.
2. Islam stems from ancient pagan worship.
3. "Love is a completely foreign concept in Islam. Allah is destined to rule the world. That is the basis of Islam. Everything else is related to this goal."
4. I have heard terrible stories about the lifestyle of Prophet Muhammad, which I am almost embarrassed to say.
5. The Qur’an is at best contradictory"

My Answers
I. yes! unless they convert or pay Jizyah (an exorbitant head tax) Quran 9:29
2. Many of its rituals and practices are derived from the ancient pagan Arab religions. Allah was the moon God. The Kaaba or cube to which Muslims face when worshipping was an pagan relic. All the rituals of the Muslim Pilgrimage(Hajj) are the exact same rituals used by the pagan Arabs.
3. The Muslim concept of love is much different that that of the Christian love. It is more like “prefer” When the Quran says “Allah loves those who take part in Jihad or Holy War” is different than saying “Love your enemy” .
4. I don’t know where to begin. If he were a prophet to be emulated by his followers, most if not all of his followers possess a superior character. I lived many years among Muslims in the Middle East and North Africa and never heard of a 54 years old man marrying a 6 years old girl. I never heard of a Muslim man forcing his son to divorce his wife so he could marry her. I never heard of a Muslim man tear up the body of a woman for criticizing him. Yet the man they call a prophet had done all that and much more.
5. As for contradictions check out the following cite under the heading of “Contradictions in Quran”
http://www.wikiislam.com/

It is worth noting that their prophet admitted to having seven versions of Quran, yet it seems that every one of Mohammad’s companions had their own copy. The Syrians had their own set of Qurans, and so the Iraqis and the Hejazi’s, and fearing a civil war the Caliph Othman collected all the copies and destroyed them except for the one that he picked, which off course is the version that gave him and his branch of the family the legitimacy to lord over all the Muslims of his time. So much for the myth that their book was not corrupted.

abhab Author Profile Page:

Lilydz asks:

“Did you read about the scientific miracles revealed in the Qur'an 1400 years ago? If not it's high time you did .”
If there is a miracle performed by Mohammad , that would be a contradiction to what Mohammad himself had affirmed in the Quran.
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Main_Page
How do you reconcile this with saying earlier that Quran is not a book of science? Later you refer to the many contradictions in your book as “apparent contradictions” Is saying for example in one place that Pharaoh drowned and died and in another place that he walked away from the Red Sea as “apparent contradiction?”

Do you think by flooding the thread with doubletalk would deceive anyone here? Maybe that would work with ignorant superstitious people but would not work here.
Below is a concise description of the book that is supposedly written by your Allah.

“A book with no chronology of events or a sustained theme other than a supremacist diatribe , incitement against the other and obsession with sex and violence. It is riddled with inconsistencies and outright contradictions. It lists legends and myths from Arab, Persian and Sumerian pagans along with embellished stories and quotations from the Old and New Testaments as well as the Jewish Talmud and pre-Islamic Arab poets. It is full of scientific heresies, mathematical mistakes, historical blunders, grammatical errors and logical fallacies. The book talks of flying horses, speaking ants and arguing birds. It describes an afterlife gardens with rivers of wine and honey and brimming with young black eyed receptive beauties placed there along with preteen boys, who double as bartenders, to service the believers in Mohammad ibn Abdalla of 7th Century Arabia and his ideology.”

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

Here are some interesting videos I want to share with you:

*What is Islam?

youtube.com/watch?v=FJyqUNiMMZM

*Don't call me that!

youtube.com/watch?v=W_1hYyV7tes&feature=channel_page

*How'd that get here?

youtube.com/watch?v=xcyutTXGPJ0

*"Arab = Muslim = Terror = War"?

youtube.com/watch?v=-Nb9275XZNE&feature=channel

*20 000 American convert to islam each year (NBC NEWS)

youtube.com/watch?v=wQanb4lvlNA

Enjoy!

Lilia
Algeria

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"Anybody who has done translation work knows the problem of finding equivalents for the original expressions in a language that belongs to an entirely different culture. This is most obvious in the case of translating works from Arabic to English language. For this reason, part of the problem arises from mistranslation too.

For example in Arberry, we find the word, “walad” translated as “children”; whereas it means “boy”. And one of the contradictions is cleared by recognition of this inaccurate translation.

Parts of the Qur’an are supported, elaborated and explicated by other parts. Similarly, the best interpreter of the Qur’an was the Prophet himself, who received the divine revelations. Besides, his life itself was a living model of the Qur’an.

Thus the two foundations of Islam are the Qur’an and the sunnah (=the exemplary life of the Prophet).

The Qur’an is not like the Bible; there are so many differences between the two, that to apply the same criteria for both would be quite inappropriate. Still, many Christian critics do not recognize this fact. For example, the Bible consists of a large number of books written by a large number of authors, who lived in different periods of history. These books were not composed in a single language either.

There are even controversies existing between different churches, about the authenticity of many of its books. The language spoken by Jesus and his people was Aramaic, but “his” Gospel was originally composed in Greek, decades later on hearsay. As for the case of the Holy Qur’an, it is entirely different.

All the above factors have provided sufficient scope to vested interests for deliberate misinterpretation. And yet, these detractors were hard put to it, to find enough material for mischief.

I hope the foregoing has cleared the doubts and questions you raised in your mail.

Thank you for allowing us to clarify these points and please, do keep in touch.
Salaam"

Salam
Lilia
Algeria

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"Now, to the last criticism you have quoted, which is: "The Qur’an is at best contradictory."

This is kind of turning the tables on Islam: As Muslims point out a large number of contradictions in the Bible, the Christian apologists feel naturally obliged, trying to show some contradictions in the Qur’an!

Their ardent researches have yielded a few “apparent” contradictions, as in the case of the law of inheritance. A point-by-point, rebuttal is not viable in the scope of this answer. So, I recommend you read this article:
There are internal contradictions in the Qur'an!

(http://www.islamic.org.uk/internalc.html)

I would also like to say that detractors deliberately ignore a few very important facts about the Holy Qur’an, when they want to denigrate it:

- The Qur’an is a Book of guidance; not a book of science, it is not a book of history, nor is it a book of law. This is although we have references to science, history and law in it.

The purpose of the Qur’an is to provide unquestionable and authentic divine guidance to man; and there is no doubt about it.

- The Qur’an was revealed to the prophet in differing contexts, in the course of his 23 years of prophetic career, to suit the needs of the developing Muslim society. Therefore, the contexts of the revelations also become important in the proper understanding of the verses.

- The Qur’an was revealed in Arabic language. We do not refer to a translation, as “the Holy Qur’an”, but merely as a translation; say a translation by Arberry, a translation by Yusuf Ali, etc.

Detractors almost invariably depend upon a convenient translation for their criticisms.

Often the so-called contradiction does not arise in the original Arabic. Arberry himself has mentioned the difficulty of finding the proper English words and phrases for conveying the correct meaning of the Qur’anic verses. (to be continued)

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"It is funny to hear many people trying to hold a monopoly of all the love in the universe. Some speak of “Christian charity”, “Christian love” etc. as if there is nobody else who has charity or love!

In the Holy Qur’an, God asks the Prophet in chapter 3, verse 31:

*{Say: "If you do love Allah, follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.}*

Also God says in Surah 3, verse 103:

*{And hold fast, all together, by the rope [the covenant] which Allah [stretches out for you], and do not be disunited; and remember with gratitude Allah's favor on you; for you were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, you became brethren; and you were on the brink of the pit of fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make His signs clear to you that you may be guided.}*

Then in Surah 19, verse 96:

*{On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will the Most Gracious bestow love.}*

As for Surah 30, verse 21:

*{And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between you [your hearts]: verily in that are signs for those who reflect.}*

Also read the following sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):

“The Compassionate One has mercy on those who are merciful. If you show mercy to those who are on the earth, He Who is in the heaven will show mercy to you.”

“None of you becomes a believer until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”

“Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind.”

“Our Lord descends each night to the earth's sky when there remains the final third of the night, and He [God] says: Who is saying a prayer to Me that I may answer it? Who is asking something of Me that I may give it to him? Who is asking forgiveness of Me that I may forgive him?”" (to be continued)

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"As for your following point about the moon and relating it to paganism and Islam, nothing could be more absurd than this charge! Any one who has a cursory knowledge of Islam knows about its uncompromising stand against paganism.

In actual history, we can read how Muhammad, on the occasion of his conquest of Makkah, cleaned the Ka`ba of all the vestiges of paganism there. As for the moon, Muslims do not worship it; nor do they worship any gods or idols. Nor does any Muslim believe that the reason for their using the crescent as a symbol on their flag is that Muhammad (peace be upon him) had cut the moon in half with his sword!

That is a pure fabrication, a blatant lie about Muhammad and Islam. The moon, or the crescent is simply a symbol, related to the lunar calendar Muslims use. You can read more, related to this point, in another answer about the crescent being a symbol, not an icon.

The next criticism you have quoted is: "Love is a completely foreign concept in Islam. Allah is destined to rule the world. That is the basis of Islam. Everything else is related to this goal."

The question that arises here is: Do these critics want to say that Muslims are not humans, but another species or aliens?!

Is it possible for a human being to live without love?

In fact, we can endure painful diseases or brutal tortures; but the thought that there is nobody in the world for us to love, and to love us, is probably the most painful experience.

So to argue that love is alien to Islam is at best … a strange idea! If this were true, missionaries would have been spared the trouble of parading all these false charges against Islam! Because, Islam would then have died a natural death long ago! (to be continued)

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"It is true that God in His Book permits fighting, but only as a last resort. This is in the cases of:

- Fighting in the case of self-defense.

- Fighting to defend the right of everyone to believe in God and practice His religion.

- Fighting against brutal oppression and injustice.

In the time of the prophet, we find that he and his people were ruthlessly persecuted and forced out of their homes to flee their beloved town of Makkah. When the prophet (pbuh) and his followers were accorded a grand welcome in Madinah, by the people there, his enemies wanted to destroy the new religion that was taking root in the deserts of Arabia, even by eliminating Muhammad and his followers.

It was in this context that the verses permitting fighting were revealed. It was here that fighting against the kuffar (literally non-believers) is mentioned. Here, the meaning is clear: the non-believers mentioned are those who sought to kill the prophet and his followers, only. This is because, the Holy Qur’an clearly says in Surah 18, verse 29:

*{Say: “The Truth is from your Lord” - Let him who will, believe, and let him who will, reject [it] … … }*

The Qur’an also says in Surah 2, verse 256:

*{There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the false deities and believes in Allah, he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.}*

So, the stand of Islam here is very clear. Islam does not approve the use of force in the propagation of religion. Since God commands not to use any kind of compulsion in religion, it is obviously ridiculous to argue that the Qur’an commands Muslims to kill non-Muslims. You can also read more about how Islam guarantees religious freedom." (to be continued)

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"The point is that it was not the religion of Moses or Jesus Christ that Muhammad was trying to replace. It was the misinterpretations and the distortions that happened to their religion that Muhammad wanted to replace, back to their original authentic teachings. In fact, his mission was to restore the pure religion of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus (peace be upon them all). The Islamic view of the earlier religions is clear from the following verses of the Qur’an, Surah 42, verses 13 – 15:

*{He has made plain to you of the religion what He enjoined upon Nuh (Noah) and that which We have revealed to you and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim (Abraham) and Musa (Moses) and Isa (Jesus) that keep to obedience and be not divided therein; hard to the unbelievers is that which you call them to; Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases, and guides to Himself him who turns [to Him], frequently.

And they did not become divided until after knowledge had come to them out of envy among themselves; and had not a word gone forth from your Lord till an appointed term, certainly judgment would have been given between them; and those who were made to inherit the Book after them are most surely in disquieting doubt concerning it.

To this then go on inviting, and go on steadfastly on the right way as you are commanded, and do not follow their low desires, and say: I believe in what Allah has revealed of the Book, and I am commanded to do justice between you: Allah is our Lord and your Lord; we shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds; no plea need there be [now] between us and you: Allah will gather us together, and to Him is the return.}*

If these are the teachings of the Holy Qur’an, how can anyone believe that it dictated Muslims to kill non-Muslims?!

(to be continued)

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"As for the Muslim criticism, it is invariably on the contemporary fundamental beliefs of Christianity, which are in fact deviations from the original teachings of Jesus. This is while the Christian detractors concentrate on vituperation.

Some do claim that the messenger of Islam was “a terrorist”. They base this charge on the fact that he fought many battles. This is although many other prophets of the Bible fought wars too! They also criticize the fact that Muhammad (pbuh) had nine wives. This is while it is also a fact that Abraham, David and Solomon (pbut) had numerous wives as well. Of course, Jesus did not marry; but can we say that this is sufficient reason to disapprove of marriage or even polygamy?

Now, let me move to the idea that “the Qur’an demands that all Muslims kill all non-Muslims.”

What could be more self-contradictory than saying that Muslims are enticing non-Muslims to Islam, while at the same time asking Muslims to kill all non-Muslims?

A reflection of that matter will clear this misunderstanding. The Prophet started preaching Islam in Makkah, being only one man in the midst of all those polytheists. How could he convert all those supporters to make Arabia almost completely Muslim, if his policy had been killing non-Muslims?!

He was not a king or a ruler; but he became the unquestioned ruler of Arabia; and every letter of the Book of God he gave them became law. Was it out of the fear of being killed that all those non-Muslims embraced Islam? And would it have been possible ever since for his religion to be continuously gaining over Christianity, which is originally a religion of mercy, unless people have seen in Islam an ever-greater mercy?"
(to be continued)

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"Answer:

Salaam,

Thank you very much for your sincere enquiry about Islam.

In the first place, I would like to say that you have been successful in discovering from your study, one of the most important aspects of Islam, namely its tolerance towards other religions. This is indeed to your credit that you have been able to get at the truth of the matter, especially when one considers the kind of orchestrated propaganda carried out by vested interests against the religion of Islam.

The basis of the tolerance of Islam is its emphasis on the Oneness of God. It means that The Creator and Sustainer of the whole universe is One; that all humans whether white or black, brown or yellow are of equal status before God; that all the so-called monotheistic religions are basically one, since their origin is the guidance sent down by the One and Only God.

It may be surprising for many non-Muslims to know that the Muslims honor all the prophets of God, including Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. Muslims have to respect all these prophets, just as they respect the last prophet, Muhammad (pbuh). For this reason, no Muslim can do what many Christian leaders, like Jerry Falwell, are repeatedly doing: maligning a prophet of God and His religion!

This brings us to the questions that may naturally arise when one reads the misconceptions and distorted image, which some missionaries repeat in order to make people shy away from Islam. One may wonder what the grounds for so much of animosity are. In fact there are a few reasons:

- Islam is the only religion that has come up after Christianity, posing a real challenge to its supremacy.

- Only Islam has questioned the basic tenets of Christianity, such as the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus and his atoning death on the cross.

- In the past centuries, wherever there was a confrontation between Islam and Christianity at the ideological level, it was mostly Islam that has won.

- In the contemporary world, even by conservative estimates, Islam is gaining over Christianity as the fastest growing religion.

The enemies of Islam imagine that the tide in favor of Islam can be reversed by certain concerted efforts on their side. So they are together in unleashing a war against Islam on all fronts. Also, September 11 has provided them enough ammunition against the resurgence of Islam, especially in the West.

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the propagandists do not normally attack any of the fundamentals of Islam, such as:

- The Oneness of God

- The progressive revelation of divine guidance through the scriptures, culminating in the Last Testament (the Qur’an)

- The inevitability of divine judgment on the basis of belief and action. (to be continued)

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

I want to share with you this question about Islam coming from a non-Muslim (Adrian from Australia)and its subsequent answer from readingislam.com:

"Question

Hello,

I am an Australian who is trying to learn as much as I can about Islam. I have developed a fondness for Muslims and the religion of Islam. I have read a lot about Islam, and I have also read a lot (especially on the web) of Christian literature that attacks Islam and tries to demonize it.

I feel very angry about this, as I don't believe Islam is as evil as so many people try to make out. One of the greatest aspects for me about Islam is its tolerance of other religions. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for many Christians.

Anyways, for someone like me who lives in a Western society, it is very difficult to sort the truths from the lies. If I may, I would like to ask for your help in explaining some of the popular attacks I have heard. Whether they have any basis, and where they stem from.

Specifically, some of the main ones I have heard:

* The Qur’an demands that all Muslims kill all non-Muslims.

* Islam stems from ancient pagan worship.

* "Love is a completely foreign concept in Islam. Allah is destined to rule the world. That is the basis of Islam. Everything else is related to this goal."

* I have heard terrible stories about the lifestyle of Prophet Muhammad, which I am almost embarrassed to say.

* "The Qur’an is at best contradictory"

I would greatly appreciate it if you could help me in my search for the truth. I know in my heart that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, but it is just very disturbing when I hear so many of these attacks. And here in the West, they do not always emanate from extremists, but regularly appear in mainstream sources.

Thank you, and I wish you peace."

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"... It is important to remember that all Muslims will one day stand before Allah on that same plain of `Arafat to give an account of how they lived their lives, so taking these two guidelines very seriously is most important.

You might justifiably say, though, that individual Muslim men and women are not always best equipped to make judgments such as these, since they do not have expert knowledge in all fields of Islam. In such cases, we listen to the opinion of Muslim scholars who are well-versed in interpreting the Qur'an and very knowledgeable about Prophetic Hadith.

Which scholars do we choose, though? Well, we must look first of all at who they are and how qualified they are to speak. Is it the opinion of a man in the street, for example, or a sheikh of Al-Azhar? Again, we look in such a case at where the greatest numbers of scholars agree and also at what they base their decision on. Is their decision based on an authentic source?

Over the centuries, Muslim scholars have turned the use of authentic Prophetic Hadith into a science. They have worked out where the hadith came from and have established the veracity of the individuals who have passed it on, shunning any hadith about which they are not absolutely certain. In this way we can be utterly certain that the hadith was genuinely spoken and can accurately reflect what the Prophet (peace be upon him) said.

So, as you can see, looking for an authentic teaching about Islam involves some serious work. It would certainly be much easier if we could push a computer button and come up with the answer we are looking for, beyond any shadow of a doubt. However, despite everything that has been said so far, there is something more, which touches completely on where the real Islam is to be found.

We can make Islam very complicated, can't we? We can even have different mosques in the same town feuding with each other over silly things. The differences, though, come from men. Islam is very simple. It is both beautiful and sweet.

As Muslims we are encouraged to improve ourselves by reading. We are told to do good deeds to win Allah's pleasure. We will never find the real Islam unless we are faithful to the five daily prayers and recitation of the Qur'an.

In sha' Allah, by our living out our Muslim faith, the real Islam will become second nature to us all. Finally, my advice is to listen to all preachers and take the best of each as long as their opinions are based on the Qur'an and the Sunnah." (in readingislam.com)

Lilia
Algeria

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

"Many of the conflicting voices within Islam are conflicting because of the human way in which they are put across. Some speakers seem very harsh, whilst others seem very relaxed.

The message of Islam, though, does not depend on human interpreters for it to be right or wrong. Conflicting voices make Islam seem to have conflicting messages, but it does not. Islam is perfect and it has the answer to everything we want to know.

In Islam there are no priests or popes or intermediaries between Allah and human beings. There is no secret knowledge known only to a few, which must be dispensed to the people by a professional religious class.

No, Islam is really very simple. It is the natural religion of mankind and it has existed since the beginning of time. When individuals begin to put too much of themselves into the message of Islam, we need to step back and distinguish between what is authentic and what is simply man-made.

In his final sermon to the Muslim faithful gathered on the plain of `Arafat outside Makkah, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) told them that he left behind him two things: the glorious Qur'an and his example. He said that by following these, Muslims would not go astray.

So, the authentic sources from which we have to find the real Islam are the glorious Qur'an and the life and example of our Prophet. There is no pope in Islam to decide what is right and what is wrong. Instead, individual Muslims have to take responsibility for their own lives and have to judge teaching and behavior by these two guidelines: The Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet." (to be continued)

Salam
Lilia
Algeria

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

Muslims and Islam are constantly in the news, presented as violent and extreme by television and newspapers. Ordinary Muslims are left to carry the burden of what others have done and how others are behaving. So where is the "real" Islam to be found?

"Islam as a religion is not only natural, but also rational, in the sense that it bases its fundamental beliefs on principles furnished by reason. In fact the elemental simplicity of its creeds points to its natural and rational basis. It is no wonder therefore, that its creeds devoid of any theological complexity and are so easily understandable to ordinary humans.

One can mention the egalitarianism of Islam as a great service to the cause of humanity. As H.A.R Gibb has noted: "No other society has such a record of success in uniting in an equality of status, of opportunity, and of endeavors so many and so various races of mankind... Islam has still the power to reconcile apparently irreconcilable elements of race and tradition. If ever the opposition of the great societies of East and West is to be replaced by cooperation, the mediation of Islam is an indispensable condition. In its hands lies very largely the solution of the problem with which Europe is faced in its relation with East. If they unite, the hope of a peaceful issue is immeasurably enhanced. But if Europe, by rejecting the cooperation of Islam, throws it into the arms of its rivals, the issue can only be disastrous for both." (H.A.R. Gibb: "Whither Islam" London, 1932, p.379.)

"History shows that the Muslims increased in civilization and progressed in relation to the strength of the truths of Islam; that is, to the degree that they acted in accordance with that strength. And history also shows that they fell into savagery and decline, and disaster and defeat amidst utter confusion to the degree of their weakness in adhering to the truths of Islam." (Nursi)

Allah in the Quran commands Muslims to learn lessons from history, so that old mistakes are not repeated and new ways of solving problems are discovered while making headway in different areas of life. Deriving inspiration from the Quran, Muslims ought to not only undertake the quest for knowledge with the intention of discovering the meaning of existence, but also to work for the welfare of all human beings, indeed of all creation: In fact the Holy Quran, as well as the Example of the Prophet, teaches them to combine faith in God with love for His creation.

The foregoing means that Islam can lead the world to peace, progress and happiness in the future, IF only Muslims once again "hold fast to the Rope of Allah all together" (Aal `Imran 3:103) and "strive with their might and main" (At-Tawbah 9:20) in the Way of Allah Almighty."
(readingislam.com)

Lilia
Algeria

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

Salam Everybody,

First of all, I want to ask you guys (especially those of you who are so vehement in talking against my dear religion Islam), why do you choose to talk about such pseudo-Muslims as those lunatics who kill innocent people (preferably Muslims) in the name of Islam? Doesn't this sound illogical? All those who commit those abhorrent terrorist attacks and proclaim their actions to be for Islam's sake are actually doing exactly the opposite of what Islam teaches and this, I'm sure, is their true intention; to try to tarnish Islam's image in the eyes of the world, but this will never happen because whoever reads with a clear mind about the true Islam will be astonished at its beauty. Did you read about the scientific miracles revealed in the Qur'an 1400 years ago? If not it's high time you did (look at these websites: miraclesofthequran.com/index.php

scienceislam.com/).

Could any human being write such a divine masterpiece as the Qur'an? Of course NOT.

Salam
Lilia
Algeria

M_MUTAAL00 Author Profile Page:

Now as far as what DebChatterjee brought regarding verse 5-33.

This verse is talking about the murder of one of the sons of Adam of his brother. It starts of by saying:

27. Recite to them the truth of the story of the two sons of Adam. Behold! they each presented a sacrifice (to Allah.: It was accepted from one, but not from the other. Said the latter: "Be sure I will slay thee." "Surely," said the former, "(Allah) doth accept of the sacrifice of those who are righteous.

28. "If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear Allah, the cherisher of the worlds.

29. "For me, I intend to let thee draw on thyself my sin as well as thine, for thou wilt be among the companions of the fire, and that is the reward of those who do wrong."

30. The (selfish) soul of the other led him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones.

31. Then Allah sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother. "Woe is me!" said he; "Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother?" then he became full of regrets-

32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

34. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful

This is talking AGAINST murder and not encouraging. This is about why God takes murder seriously. This tradition is also in the Judaic tradition. The first killing of mankind was done on the father of the whole mankind and thus it is as if the whole of mankind was murdered.

By the way the end of verse 5-33 says bansihment from community, this is why Islam allows for the abolution of the death penalty. Banishment from society is the same as jail.

Real Islam is only Koran


M_MUTAAL00 Author Profile Page:

I don't know why my posts are no longer allowed. This is not good when people get to pick and chose what comments are allowed to be posted and not. I believe in complete freedom. This is the kind of stuff the Taliban do.

DebChatterjee Author Profile Page:

The Talibans also claim that to establish Nizam-i-Mustafa (Kingdom of Prophet), they need to enforce severely the Shariah. Which Muslims have challenged them ? Even Fareed Zakaria thinks that the Talibans are worth sitting down with, if they don't attack Americans and non-Muslims. But, if they flog women in public, as shown,

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/witness-to-swat-flogging-speaks-out--qs

that is Oooooo...KKKK.. and maybe ignored. Fareed Zakaria has made it a point in his various Newsweek articles that Serbian strongman Slobodan Milovesic and Radzko Karazdic be brought to trial because of their ethnic cleansing of Muslims. Note that Milosevic and Karazdic did not commit crimes against US interests/US citizens. But, Fareed wanted them at The Hague anyway. So, why not the same with the Talibans ? Or is a radical Muslim committing human rights violations is answerable to a higher standard, than the non-Muslim violators ? Why does Fareed suggest that USA should make peace with the "non-violent" Talibans, when he opposed USA not doing the same with Serb leaders ?

DebChatterjee Author Profile Page:

Well,only Jhimmi has posted (the first one) a very good veiw on Jihad.

Actually Islam (in its functional/active form) does understand threat. For example, a US citizen (John Solecki) who is also a UN worker was abducted (on February 02, 2009) in Pakistan and the Talibans threatened to decapitate him unless some demands by US were met. That did not happen and probably USA pressured Pakistan to seek John's release, and the pressure worked. Radical Islam of the Talibans caved in, and Solecki has been thankfully released.

The Times of India reports this newsitem:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Kidnapped_American_UN_worker_freed_in_Pakistan/articleshow/4360667.cms

This is good news. Only radical threat exists to radical Islam (Jihad bil-Sayf), only then we can expect victory. (Obama may have quietly told this lunatic, Zardari that Pakistan would be destroyed by the drones if John Solecki was not released.)

chatard Author Profile Page:

ONLY in second place is jihad by war ..... and no mistreatment of prisoners, just swiftly lop their heads off. War is necessary to defend this faith, in fact this faith can ONLY be defended by war, and by hatred. Didn't hear a peep from you boys about Israel. Cat got your tongue?

DebChatterjee Author Profile Page:

M_MUTAAL00:

I did not translate the Quran into English. Quran calls for physical violence against those who oppose Islam. The (translation) source is:

YUSUFALI: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;" [Quran(005:033)].

Also Muhammad Pickthall's translation reads:

PICKTHAL: "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;" [Quran(005:033)]

And Shakir translates the same as:

SHAKIR: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement," [Quran (005:033)]

All three translators (Yusuf Ali, Pickthall and Shakir) are incorrect, and you are right ?

M_MUTAAL00 Author Profile Page:

First of all the person who calls himself DebChatterjee who translated the verse 4-95 as:

YUSUFALI: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,- " [Quran(004:095)].

This is Yusuf Ali's translation. The Arabic text which the Koran came in uses only one word(Mujahideen) and does not use two terms. It is not stive AND fight. This was added by Sunnis. There is no AND fight in the Arabic text, there is only strive. This is what I have been saying, the Sunnis simply interpreted the word strive as fight and here when they wanted to translate it into English they used two terms, strive AND fight. there is no and in the Arabic text. Sunnis simply interpret the verse that way by default. It is not in the Arabic text the Koran came down on. I have said it and I will say it again, the word Jihad or Mujahideen has no meaning of fighting in it. Look at how the term is used in ARABIC and not how they translate it in English. There is no and in the original Arabic text.

Thank you. Real islam is only Koran

www.free-minds.org

DebChatterjee Author Profile Page:

Actually, a Muslim's life is incomplete in some ways if Jihad bil-Sayf (Jihad by the Sword) is not performed. The Quran is very explicit about this, stating that those who will partake in such Jihad, will receive special rewards from Allah than those who don't.

YUSUFALI: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,- " [Quran(004:095)].

Thus, violence in propagation and defense of faith is approved for Muslims. Let's get this clear from the start.

mharwick Author Profile Page:

"Jihad. The word inspires fear in Western minds. Jihad means extremist Muslims blowing themselves up in crowded markets in order to kill as many infidels as possible. Jihad means attacks like 9/11, USS Cole, Madrid, London, Beirut, and so many more. Jihad means grainy videos of masked men beheading journalists followed by even grainier videos of bearded men in dirty white robes reading demands and calling America the devil. Jihad cannot possibly be something good, right?" These actions described by any other name would still be an abomination on humanity.

rcubedkc Author Profile Page:

spamsux said, ""Jihad. The word inspires fear in Western minds."
Not this Western mind. It inspires loathing"

Very well said. I agree 100%

spamsux1 Author Profile Page:

FTA: "Jihad. The word inspires fear in Western minds."

Not this Western mind. It inspires loathing.

Loathing not only for the ones who use it as a barbaric excuse to murder anyone and everyone, but for those who claim to practice a kinder, gentler Jihad.

Do not preach to me that "jihad is not a bad word, but a word used badly". Stop being weak and practice your good Jihad by actively and aggressively going after those who preach death and chaos in the name of religion.

Muslims have for decades allowed and abetted the word Jihad to be co-opted by twisted minds and it is their burden to stop the atrocities carried out under that banner.

Jihad is rightly perceived by the world as violent extremism. When Muslims stop the violent extremism then that definition can be changed. Muslims can show some courage and start shutting down the cauldrons of hate that birth the psychopaths.

In the meantime, stop preaching Islam to me, I could give a rat's *** about its nuances. Don't tell me that I misunderstand when some of the loudest voices in Islam call for the death of infidels, in whatever form, by way of Jihad.

The word is not the problem, it is the actions carried out in its name.

abhab Author Profile Page:

LilyDZ:

Estes is not now nor ever was a Christian minister. He admitted this much when he spoke to us at a mosque in the Midwest recently. He was a businessman and still is except now his business is reading a script to Muslim congregations in which he lists the standard Muslim grievances against the Christian faith; Trinity, Atonement and Original sin. He does that for a fee very much like the Muslim mullahs do when they answer religious questions. Now a person can get a fatwa or religious edict from many Muslim clerics, especially in Egypt by texting.This man refused to answer questions and although he gave his email address he never replied to any of my inquiries.
It is ironic that someone from Algeria is promoting this guy, instead of spending an effort to study why his/her country is coming up with one innovative law after another to stem the tide of conversion to Christianity that is sweeping his/her lands.
http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=972

Another aspect he/ she can direct their efforts would be to study why so many Azhar scholars, who are supposedly the ultimate authority on everything Islamic, are becoming Christian missionaries, as shown in the following cite under the heading “Former Muslim Preachers………”.

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_Leaving_Islam

M_MUTAAL00 Author Profile Page:

All they bring you from the Koran is a few verses from chapter 9 where the verse is either half quoted or the verses before it or after it are never quoted. Everybody knows that Sunni/Shiasm rely on verse 9-29 which they believe ABROGATED all the verses from the Koran about when and how and with whom to fight. That verse is the verse they claim moved from defensive qital against those that are fighting you to offensive qital until they pay the jizya. Well if the Koran is filled with violence why the need to rely on one verse top abrogate all the verses in the Koran?

Over and over they will bring out those verses from chapter 9 where only half the verse is quoted and or its quoted out of context.

There is nothing called abrogation, this is something Sunni jurist made up 2 to 3 centuries after Muhammad when Islam became an Empire and all Empires need religious credentials to operate with impunity.

There is nothing in the Koran about offensive Jihad. As I said the Koran never uses the word Jihad in a military sense, it uses Qital. These Sunni/Shia sectarians altered the meaning of Jihad since Jihad is used in the Koran in multiple occassions and this way they can apply warfare in multiple occassions. Look carefully at the Robert Spencers, Wafa Sultans, Ayaan Alis and Daniel Pipes and you will seed them relying exclusively on the hadiths. Christian missionaries now do the same thing. They think by attacking Muhammad through these hadiths they can nullify the Koran's whole message bnecause the Koran attacked the trinity. Its amazing for people to say Muhammad wrote the Koran and then run and rely on what people said about him centuries later rather than what they believe he wrote. But some Christians believe anything that degrades Muhamamd's character is usefull in persuading Muslims to convert. Defeat the message by defeating its messengers. The Koran came to confirm the Torah but condemned the Talmud, it came to confirm the Gospel but condemned the trinity. But both these traditions, Jewish and Christianity, are not able to abandon these concepts and rely on the scriptures. The Gospel never talked about the trinity of Jesus's divinity and the Jewish Talmud preaches a very different Judaism from the Torah.

Only Koran speaks for Muhammad. Only Gospel speaks for Jesus. Only Torah speaks for Moses, David and Soloman.

www.free-minds.org

alexkatt Author Profile Page:

I would like to know if Mohammed participated or directed raids or battles ? I understand he had many good qualities, and was a man much ahead of his time with regards to social justice and concern for the oppressed.
However, if he was involved in physical violence,
then he would seem to me to be more in the manner of an Old Testament prophet. He would certainly be a man much ahead of his time, but not for all time. In other words, he would not be the "Seal of the prophets". To me, to insist that he is the last and final prophet is to limit Islam's progess - to so say you shall go this far and no farther.
Alternatively, one could believe he is indeed he "Seal", God's final revelation, and focus only on his many good qualities, and ignore or downplay the totality of his words and actions. I suspect muslims are aware of this conundrum at some level, and it may be the reason for their sensitivity and threats of violence when confronted with fairly objective questions or criticisms regarding the prophet Mohammed.

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

Hope these will help you get a clear idea of what is Islam:

islamtomorrow.com/
idristawfiq.com/
islamfortoday.com/
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LilyDZ Author Profile Page:


Muhammad: A to Z
- By Yusuf Estes, Former Christian Preacher

While others are clamoring over what to do when someone draws a cartoon or a picture of one of the prophets of Almighty God, (peace be upon them all), we decided it was time to show the "Real Picture of Mohammed" - everything we could find from A to Z. The results were far too many to list all of them. So, we took the first 26 and put them in alphabetical order, but as you read through the commentaries of others, you will be able to realize many hundreds of additional qualities of this man, Muhammad (peace be upon him).

This "A-Z" on Muhammad (peace be upon him) deals with well established facts about Muhammad (peace be upon him) but certainly does not include everything there is to know about Muhammad (peace be upon him). Volumes and encyclopedias and even libraries have been dedicated to presenting the picture of this great man. (In http://prophetofislam.com/)

http://www.islam-guide.com/islam-guide.pdf

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L~
Algeria

LilyDZ Author Profile Page:

Thank you so much for this very interesting article. It's high time non-Muslims knew the true meaning of Jihad. Instead of reading about and trying to understand the true meaning of the beautiful religion which is Islam, people tend to construct a kind of religion from their imagination and speak about things they know nothing about. What a pity! These comments are a good example of the misconceptions and fallacies that are, unfortunately, so common among non-Muslims.

readingislam.com is a good website for those who want to deepen or correct their vision about Islam.

Salam (peace)
Lilia
Algeria

abhab Author Profile Page:

Mutallo pontificates thus:
"This is because there is nothing in the Koran they(Robert Spencer, Ayan Hirsi etc.) really use to attack Islam with."
The Koran is full of incitement against the other. Check out the cite below to peruse the many jewels similar to the following.

Qur'an:4:76 "Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah." Translates as " Believers in Muhammad as a prophet should fight to expand his empire."
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes1.html

M_MUTAAL00 Author Profile Page:

There is nothing in the Koran that associates Jihad with war or fighting. The term the Koran uses for that is not Jihad but Qital, which means fighting or slaying. Sunni Islam has taken that word Jihad, which in the Koran means strive, to include it in fighting category. Sunnis follow hadiths, the oral traditions compiled 2 to 3 centuries after Muhammad. Hadiths is what Shariah of theirs is comprised. The Koran has a minimal role in sectarian Islam(Sunni/Shia). Western historians have deemd the hadiths as unreliable and fabricated. It has the same place in Islam as the Talmud has on Judaism. The Talmud is the oral traditions the Jews believe came along the Torah to Moses and was compiled centuries after the Torah was written. Jesus in Mark 7 condemned the Talmud. The Jews, like Sunnis, believe these oral traditions abrogate the written scriptures.

The Koran came to confirm the Torah but condemned the Talmud and the Koran confirms the Gospel but attacked the trinity.

There is nothing called offensive qital in the Koran. Sunnis believe the verses of the Koran have been abrogated and they believe the hadiths orders offensive qital when needed. This was done to allow the Sultan to wage war in the name of Islam to acquire booty. Sunnism and Shiasm are political movement that emerged during the Abbasid Empire. It was an attempt to create a theocracy. There is nothing called Shariah law in the Koran. There are over 30 verses in the Koran that explicitly talks about freedom of religion yet the Sunnis believe these verses have been aboragated by their hadiths.

People like Robert Spencer, Ayaan Ali, Wafa Sultan attack islam by relying on these hadiths, they have very little to say about the Koran itself. They have to quote the Koran out of context or quote incomplete verses to make their cases. This is because there is nothing in the Koran they can really use to attack Islam with. The hadiths for them is like a treasure. Neithet Muhammad not his companions compiled any other text but the Koran.

Sunnis do not follow the Koran. Only Koranist follow the Koran's teachings. Real Islam is only Koran.

Thank you for your attention. www.free-minds.org

abhab Author Profile Page:

The massacre of Christians in Damascus in the middle of the 19th Century was incited by the colonizing Turks who followed the policy of divide and rule. They instigated the Syrians to kill those among their neighbors who happened to belong to a different religion. It is a case of a colonist who for a political reason used the religious concept of Jihad to charge up simple people enough to have them slaughter their countrymen. The Turks used Jihad for political ends. The Syrians applied the same concept for a “religious” ends i.e. religious cleansing ,very much like their prophet had done earlier for the non-Muslims of the Arabian peninsula. Claiming that Jihad, whether greater or smaller, means self improvement is nothing but a superstition. Jihad is politico- religious concept and nothing more. You only have to look at the conditions of those societies that believe in Jihad to see how much self improvement they had accomplished over the past 1400 years.

asizk Author Profile Page:

WP,

where is my lengthy comment on the categorization and explanation of Jihad?????????????????

asizk Author Profile Page:

jhimmi,

Regrettably you seem be severly ignorant of the most basic fundamentals about Islam and Muslim history.

I would not know where to beging with you on this topic-so go learn the basics and then we can debate.

jhimmi Author Profile Page:

I wish this were true. Prophet Mohammed, by his actions in physically conquering Arabia, showed the true nature of jihad. The caliphs who followed him quickly and violently conquered the Middle East, North Africa, and then moved into Europe (Spain). This was no 'defense' of faith.

Many, many Muslims today use any perceived offense as a reason to 'defend' their faith. Too many Muslims consider an American, in America, who speaks openly about the deficiencies of Sharia Law to be 'attacking' them and by extension, Islam, and so physical jihad against open and honest debate ensues.

We are seeing this in action at the UN right now. The Orwellian 'Defamation of Relgion' resolution passed recently seems to outlaw criticism of any actions, legal or illegal, humane or inhumane, that is committed by a Muslim, if that action can in any way be traced to an Islamic tenet. This is an incredibly dangerous precedent and is getting very little attention.

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