Listen to SHIVEH as he is providing a no objection certificate to MEK,the GROUP which became famous after its members participation in seizing the American Embassy after the so-called revolution.MEK had assisted the Saddam regime in his invasion of Iran and involved in explosions against innocent citizens in various parts of the country. MEK, which are suffering of insufficiency in figures have almost been deprived of any sympathy from the people of the land and barely has any supporter throughout Iran. Prediction on MEK will be catastrophe for any sponsor which is optimistic of this stranded faction to shore the boat.

You can google "Rajavi MEK Cult" and read all about it yourself. There isn't just one source. There are articles from respected newspapers of all persuasion, reports from non-partisan councils and organizations who will tell you all you need to know about this cult.

One site (Antiwar.com) describes them as:
A fanatical cult of Marxoid Iranian "dissidents," officially classified as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department after they killed U.S. embassy and military personnel in terrorist attacks. The MEK was driven out of Iran by the mullahs in the wake of a post-revolutionary power struggle, and the group fled to Iraq, where they were given aid, arms, and sanctuary, as they continued to launch terrorist attacks inside Iran. Saddam used them to crush the Shi'ite rebellion of the early 1990s, which was brutally put down.

I am not pro-mullahs, nor am I a monarchist. But MEK is a terrorist Cult who will never be accepted by the iranian public.

A report from Council of Foreign Relations (www.cfr.org) states:

Experts say that MEK has increasingly come to resemble a cult that is devoted to Massoud Rajavi’s secular interpretation of the Koran and is prone to sudden, dramatic ideological shifts.

*** BREAKING NEWS ***
New York Times “Iran Resistance Is Not Terrorist Group, Court Finds”
“After a seven year legal battle, Britain’s Court of Appeal ruled on Wednesday that the British government was wrong to include an Iranian group, the People Mojahedin of Iran, on its list of banned terrorist groups.”

for those who write comments: Now, MEK/PMOI has been cleared.

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Congratulation to Iranian resistance and the freedom loving citizens of our world.

Today, Britain’s court of appeal ruled that British government was wrong to include MeK on its list of banned terrorist group.

The court offered the following reason for its decision:
“The only conclusion that a reasonable decision maker could reach,” the court said, was that since the disarmament of the People’s Mujahedeen and allied groups in Iraq by American forces in 2003, the group “has not taken any steps to acquire or seek to acquire further weapons or to restore any military capability in Iraq.”

The Mujahedeen, the judges said, “has not sought to recruit personnel for military-type or violent activities”, nor had it engaged in “military-type training of its existing members” or sought to support other groups in attacks on Iranian targets.

In other words, since American forces took their weapons from them, they lost the capability to be terrorists anymore!

Whatever. The Iranian murderers in Tehran must be tried, convicted in an international tribunal and executed for the brutal killings of their own citizens. . . . to hell with the Mullahs!!!

Iranian Ajax

Shari , USA:
David Waddington article here suits and received by greater many whose minds evidently, but sadly, been influenced and shaped by a press, under the non-existent freedom of press feign but with certain agends, very void what they attempt to picture and project their image, solely to promote their own agendas to benefit a certain country, but all at the expense of American people and their values.

Michael O., you dimwit, I did not say the Iranian regime is more democratic and more tolerant than the U.S.

I said that the the history of Persia is more tolerant than the history of the US, even when you compare 2,500 years of theirs to 250 of ours.

Read the whole post and then respond. We have a lot of work to do in this country if we want to bring it back to greatness, no thanks to people like you.

But we'll carry your load as well. Sit back, loosen your belt to let the gut relax and enjoy your six pack of Bud while we do the heavy lifting.

Mr. Ibrahim Mahfouz,

The Ottoman Empire did not rule Iran for 500 years. What are you talking about?

The Ottoman's and the Persians were in a constant battle over the arab lands, in particular the 16th to 18th centuries and the Safavid Dynasty.

Additionally, the Persian adopted the Shi'ite faith in the 1600's, which put the outside of any caliphate.

If you are counting the Seljuks as part of the Ottomans, then you are mistaken. Additionally, the Seljuks considered themselves of persian orientation and adopted the persian language, arts and culture.

Caliph says:
“Iran was part of Caliphate for 600 years and not few years. So leave the land, sea and Air of Caliphate and that is the only solution and nothing else. Iraq or Iran is part of Caliphate”

Moi: They were part of the Caliphate and if it were not for Britain and its allies the so-called Turkish Caliphate would still have its predatory grip on the throats of the Arabs and Persians till this day. You seem to be yearning for those good old days. Below is a glimpse of what this last of the caliphates have inflicted upon the body of its subjects.

The Turkish Caliphate that went down the tube during World War I, ruled all the Arab states as well as Iran for over 500 years. What has that caliphate accomplished for its subjects? It taxed them back into the Stone Age to support the lavish lifestyle of its Caliphs and their cronies. It used their children as cannon fodder in the Sultan’s many wars of aggression. The colonists took out and never put in. They went as far as cut down fruit trees from the plains of Palestine and Egypt and hills of Syria and Lebanon to fuel their trains. That was happening when the West was moving from the Exploration age into the Colonization Age into Religious Reformation, into the Age of Enlightment and the Industrial Revolution. Yet many in those Arab countries, such as the one quoted above, never rebelled against Turkey or blamed it for any of their ills but instead blamed their sorry state of affairs on the British and French. At least those two powers who colonized the Arab countries for a decade or two after liberating them from 500 years of subjugation and humiliation at the hands of ruthless and ignorant hordes, had opened them up to the rest of the world, built their present infrastructure and tried to teach them how to run a modern state with modern institutions. What had the Turkish Caliphate ever given its subjects; both Arabs and non-Arabs besides grief and destitution? I don’t know which is worse; this half millennium scourge called Turkish Caliphate or someone’s yearning for its return. Why would any man in his right mind wants the return of a Caliphate? The Turks themselves do not want its return despite its many obvious rewards for the colonizers who wrap themselves with the Caliphate robe. The reason why Islamists yearn for the days of Turkish subjugation and exploitation is because the Turks ”ruled” according to the “divine” law, meaning the Sharia law; a code based on the teachings of the Koran and the tradition of the prophet of Islam, even if this “law” pushed the Middle East and North Africa back to 7th Century Arabia.

One thing about these forums, they are always good for a laugh. Did you hear the one about how the Iranian regime is more democratic and more tolerant than the U.S.? Tell it again, Robert, that was a good one.

And as long as you're entertaining us, don't forget the one about the mass exodus from Iran "for better opportunities in the West" which took place in 1979-1980, for some reason immediately following Khomeini's revolution. Sheer coincidence, I'm sure.

Last to E.K.,

To have one representative in the parliament representing the Jewish minority comprising of 25,000 is a better percentage than having one muslim-american in the U.S. Congress, when there are close to 10 million muslims in the US.

Wouldn't you agree, or is your math as poor as your history and common sense?

The fact that they are represented in the parliament is an acknowledgement of their rights and citizenship.

Say what you will about Iran, but tolerance and respect for the jewish faith has by and large been a constant in this country for 2,500 years.

You really can't say that even in our country, where as little as 40 years ago, there were signs at Public Swimming Pools stating NO DOGS OR JEWS ALLOWED. Heck, we wouldn't even let a black man use the same bathrooms, much less vote. And our history is one-tenth of Persia, and I would argue that our tolerance of faiths and cultures is one-tenth of Persia as well.

E.K., you are an absolute and filthy liar. Many left the country for the same reason as why many muslims left, for better opportunities in the West.

It was not because of religious persecution. The present government is anything but democratic, and they are oppressive, and perhaps even criminal.

But the jews are not their victims. They go after political opponents and have no ax to grind against jews, christians, sunni muslims, zoroasterians. Bahai's however are a different story all together.

88% of the ancient and once relatively large Persian Jewish population has fled for their lives. A few years ago, many were arrested as "Zionist spies". They were imprisoned and tortured. Any Jew who criticizes the regime will meet the same fate. Therefore you do not and never will hear a Jew do that inside Iran.
There is one Jew permitted in the so-called Parliament. No more no less.

I read the first two sentences of this article and stopped because they were totally lies.

How come our military guys lie so much?

To all readers who think MEK is the solution. Here is a link, which posts an article by Elizabeth Rubin of the New York Times. It is from 2003.

The article is called the CULT OF RAJAVI. Lets put this debate to rest once and for all. Read this article.

http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/sloth/2003-07-15.html

MEK is an officially designated terrorist organisation in EU (of 27 countries) and USA. The aggregate findings of 28 rich and sophisticated countries, with deep intelligence resources, cannot be wrong.

It would be an idiotic decision of a mentally challenged person to think that a terrorist organisation is a "solution" to anything.

@ OY

Your comments are intellectually bankrupt. Iran is not against Jews (if you read the Bible, you will know that the lot was rescued by Persians). Fast forwarding to today, Iran is opposed to the zionist, racist regime and not the Jewish people.

In fact, Iran is the ONLY government in the region that has an official specific line item in the budget for aid to Jews (and Christians and Zoroastrian minorities) in Iran for religious schools, repair of places of worship, community centres, etc. Search the net and you will find the news reports that a government minister attended the ceremonies for opening of a new, government-funded Jewish community centre in Tehran.

Your beloved Israel has none of that.

For their valuable fight against mullahs, Mojahedin-e-Khalg (MEK) must be recognized and supported by U.S. and all freedom loving countries.

We must be clear and decisive against Mullahs in Iran. Today, the destructive role of mullahs in Iraq and in the Middle East is very evident. Mullahs are working on their plan to dominate Middle East by installing puppet Islamic governments in Iraq and in Lebanon. If U.S., European and the modern countries continue vacillating, a nuclear Iran in control of world energy, exerting power to eliminate governments as they have repeatedly stated,“elimination of Israel” or “we have two missions, to build Islamic Iran and to exert an effort to change the leadership in the world”… it is catastrophe no one can afford.

U.S., E.U. and all countries must wake up, recognize and support Iranian democratic, secular resistance and its main champion MEK. MEK has exposed mullahs for the last thirty years in every corner. They first exposed mullahs atrocity at home through United Nations (December 2007 was the 54th mullahs violation of Human Right in Iran) They first exposed mullahs nuclear sites in 2002, and they first exposed mullahs meddling in Iraq. They have gained the respect and support of 5.2 million Iraqis. MEK is a positive force for a modern, democratic, secular Iran.

Today, Iranian resistance is the alternative to mullahs, and MEK is its champion.

Lastly to the ignorant OY, did you know that Iran has the second largest population of Jews in the middle east.

They are very influential and hold seats in the parliament.

You would think that intelligent people could put 2 and 2 together and realize that if Iran wanted to commit genocide on Israelis, it would start with the massive number of Jews within its own border who worship, work and live as free as any muslim in Iran.

You and your type are perpetuating hate and fear with the American public in order to have us do Israel's dirty work. If we have anything to do with it, we will make sure to vote for a government that will not have any more innocent blood on its hands.

To OY, you are one ignorant person. There was a democratic regime elected in Iran. It was a secular and democratic regime based on its constitution drafted in 1905, mirroring Belgium's.

It called for a democratically elected Parliament and Prime Minister. There would be a constitutional monarchy, where the king holds no power and is a symbol of the nation, similar to Belgium and the UK.

Unfortunately, in 1953, the US and the British employed Operation Ajax where they overthrew the democratically elected government of Mossadeq and re-installed the puppet Shah in power, in order to fleece the country of its vast resources.

25 years later, you have the revolution of Khomeini, which MEK was instrumental of bringing to power, before they were shut out of the new government.

You are truly ignorant with your statement of why there are no democratically elected governments. Our imperialistic government doesn't allow for free elections. In Egypt, we have a guy who owes his very existence to the US and our aid. Yet for close to 3 decades calls himself president and doesn't allow for elections.

You ignorant ignorant pig. Why do you think the radical Hamas and these other NutJobs are so popular in these countries?

Dea OY,

The Mullahs are not Hitler; the Persians are not Arabs.

Ahmadinajad said he wants an end to the regime in Israel, he didn't call for genocide. His words were mistranslated and widely disseminated by neocon enemies of negotiations and stabilization.

In short, the world brings us trouble enough, yes including the regime and government of Iran; don't go borrowing more.

At least one survivor of the Holocaust said "If a man says he's going to kill you, believe him."

Iran says Israel should be wiped off the map, give him nukes, he's going to try. And don't ya think maybe Iraq, or the Saudi's or maybe Turkey are next? Would you trust this regime with your daughter, let alone with nukes?? How much restraint do you expect from a nuclear Iran, that is calling for the destruction of Israel, and that could threaten every state in the region, with nary a word of protest from any of those Arab states that are also threatened?

Blame the British, (always) blame the Jews, it's not us, it's the guy behind the tree.

Whya aren't there any Arab (or Persian) democracies, why no advances, why no French type or American type Revolution? Because the leaders and the wanna-be leaders all want what's good for them, and not what's best for the people.

Taliban in Afghanistan, Kings, princes, Presidents, dictators in others, Muftis and Mullahs, PLO, PA, Hezz's, Hizz's, Islamic Jihads, Black September, and the rest, all call and appeal, with force, to follow their path or perish. Keep feeding the masses a steady diet of hate, of false images, of wrongs, real and imagined from 600 years ago that must be revenged, and you get what we all got.

Let's contrast. Israel accepts some 750,000 refugees from Arab states after 1948, absorbs them, teaches them, provides jobs, homes, irrigates the desert and swamps bought at high price from Arab landowners, and builds a State. Oh, and includes Arabs in the nation, and in the governing body.

The Arabs exhort their citizens to leave Israel so they won't impede the conquering armies, puts everyone in camps for 60 years, and trains for war and terror. Can't live with any more than a token Jew, or Christian, in any of the territories, and certainly none in the government, judiciary, or elsewhere; can't get along with those who believe the same thing, only differently, and don't want to give up the "old" ways, like honor killings and burkas, which were not part of the original religion.

Not likely to see a change in the desire for power and control, won't see an improvement in the rights, education, prosperity, food shortages, etc, not in our life-times or in those of our grandchildren.

Shari , USA:
During the past 30 years, Iranian regime has proven to be the leading violator of human rights in the world. ... According to Amnesty international and other human rights organizations, the number of publicized executions in 2007 has exceeded 250,

Question: How many were executed in Texas alone under GW Bush? In other words (Burma, China, Congo, Sudan), the mullah's regime is up against pretty stiff competition.

So, having failed in their own efforts against the mullahs, many Persian exiles would like more support from the West, and understandably tend to exagerate their claims about the dangers of the current administration.

We must also be wary - how many of these exiles were members of the Shah's regime, which used terror and torture against the Persian people to secure its power, and controlled the wealth from oil for the benefit of a small class, leaving the masses in poverty?

Iran assisted the US invasion of Afghanistan, and tried to open talks with the US in 2003 - the Bush administration has earned the regimes' opposition. Remember Iran's inclusion in the "Axis of Evil"?

My friendly questions for the Persian exiles and other opponents of the regime:

Given the troubling history of MeK, would it not be better to abandon this flawed instrument and forge a new one?

What have you done to connect with the youth of Iran? Are they not surely the basis of any successful regime change in Iran? Have you, like most of them, left behind concerns for issues 2 or 3 decades old?

Has isolation and containment of Cuba produced regime change there?

Given the division of Arabs and Persians, what are the risks that the other countries of the Middle East would accept Iran's direction or interference?

Is not the main reason behind Arab admiration for Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah the fact that they stand up to the West? Would not more Western wars in the region further increase support for these groups and bin Laden?

Thank you for this opportunity to speak before this distinguished audience.

They (Iranians) spend more time boasting than doing.

When their reactors come close to online, we will just bomb it.

All their underground facilities… will be destroyed.

It will then take them another 10 years to re-build and we can do it again until they have turned against their ruler. Rinse and repeat.

To those that don’t think that is possible, you give more credence to the Iranian power than they deserve and should stop watching Al-Jazzera for news. Even the Chinese know that we would flatten them if necessary since we already know where all their defenses are.

No need to step foot in Iran with the arsenal we have… We could wipe out most of the infrastructure with a single aircraft carrier. Imagine if we used two of them…. WoW

If you have ever lived over in that part of the world, you will realize they will spend their last bit of money and power trying to project their importance to others.

What they say they are capable of pales in comparison to White people on a rampage that not only can but will mess you up regardless of what you think.

US and the civilized world need to stop the Iranian regime from obtaining weapons of mass destruction. An atomic bomb at the hand of ayatollahs is an assured destruction of the region including Iran. We must do all we can to avoid this catastrophe from happening. Supporting the Iranian groups opposing the mullahs is a good first step. MEK has been fighting the mullahs for the past twenty eight years. Removing them from the terrorist list for sure will send the right signal to the Iranians that we are serious about Iran not acquiring the A bomb.

What are you smoking? Lifting a ban on terrorists? You must be joking or simply sick and crazy!

While you are at it, why not invite Osama bin Laden and talk thru the "misunderstandings" over tea and biscuits, eh?

DUH... you must be kidding, right?

Have you forgotten the National Intelligence Estimate of USA, carefully prepared by 14 intelligence organisations of the U.S. government over 2 years, by the most powerful intelligence system in the world?

Or, as said in comments below, you are simply on the payroll of a terrorist organisation that changes its name from MEK to "National Resistance Council" ....essentially a cult of about 10'000 middle-aged people holed up in a dusty camp in Iraq--with one "leader of traitors" (Masud Rajavi) in hiding in Bulgaria and another traitor (Maryam Rajavi) in Paris?

The real threat is the vapid stupidity and closed minds of people like you, stuck in colonial dreams of the past.

And finally, where are those Iraqi WMDs that were the last "threat", my boy?

Russia, China, and the European Industrial Complex have blocked any significant sanctions to stop the mullah's march toward nukes.

Fanaticism + nuclear weapons = DISASTER.

The military option must be used. There is no alternative. Time is running out.

Are you nuts? Lifting the ban on the MEK/MKO Mujahhedin? An organisation that has been on the official terrorist list of Europe and USA for decades? The Persian speaking branch of the Ba'ath Party of Iraq during the Saddam years and yet another cock-up of agitators courtesy of the British Intelligence system?

Surely you jest, and it is not funny--at all.

It must be the usual rent-a-lord fee (Say, 20'000 Pounds?) that is talking, via a foolish man. They ought to take away your QC (that means Queen's Counsel to the novice) for supporting a terrorist organisation. SHAME!!!!

Which decent Iranian will welcome some idiots that were essentially a caricature of the Vichy Regime in wartime France. The MEK went to the Iraqi side and advised how and where to bomb.

The last terrorist your lot recruited was named bin Laden. Rings a bell?

I don’t want another war. That is why I agree that we need to invest our efforts in the Iranian groups who can put an end to Fundamentalism in Iran. Islamic republic has overstayed its welcome by 28 years. I am so glad to see and hear a real voice in a real article. An article that is able to see and follow issues that takes a lot of courage to publish. Islamic Republic of Iran has proven to the world that they will "stop at nothing" to rid the world of "The Great Satan." They are decieving their own citizens to build their Ottoman Empire style of Islam. If the world community listens to the facts in this article, we will not have to fear a 3rd WW.

1. I think it is best for you to remain quiet and clean up the mess you have made in Iraq(together with your Sr. partner, Uncle Sam) before you open your mouth about "threats". The only threat is the Anglo-American Axis of Failure.

2. If you are trying to cuddle up to the Israelis on the anniversary of their failed statehood, then I can understand how a washed up, yesterday's has been from 30 years ago of the Thatcher years,....you know, the losers over The Fauklands..... then I ought to remind you of HMS Sheffield! Which went down!

3. If your Sr. Shareholder's 14 intelligence agencies in USA have reported that Iran has no nuclear program for its military, who are you to talk before you are given permission to speak?

I feel very happy to see that most of the people who have commented are against such a misadventure. First these people opened a war against terrorism in Afghanistan. It should have been pursued till the base of terrorism is destroyed. Everyone has agreed that the law-less area of Afghan Pakistan border is where the terrorists are groomed. But the west was in a hurry to open another front in Iraq running after the so called nonexistent WMDs. It is still going on telling on economy and thousands of innocent lives lost in Iraq and of those poor soldiers. Actually for what purpose has those soldiers sacrificed their life. Those ordering the war will not feel the sorrow of the lives lost. Only those whose dear ones has died will know it.
And now these people are in a hurry open another front. If this is not madness then what is madness.

Our own country has been plagued by pedophiles. Look at the white christian american pedophiles in Texas, impregnating 10 year old girls and molesting young boys.

Look at the catholic church and the thousands and thousands of young boys molested by our clergy, and for the most part without any repercussions.

And how about our congressmen having phone and online sex with young male pages.

And you have the balls to make fun of pedophiles in other countries? I know you were probably just joking, but to take a political conversation to comments about pedophilia probably says alot about you. It says you are probably on a list that I need to check to make sure that you don't live near us.

In IRAN/Persia, there is a Rumor, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad secretly married a Nine-Year Old Girl also????

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Thanks to Lord Waddington’s for his insight on Iran

With the price of oil as it is and, millions of dollars spent to recruit, arm, train and finance Quods and its satellite organizations around the world, the west needs to realize that Iranian government is not need of economic incentives. The godfather of international terrorism in Tehran is in desperate need of help in its loosing battle against Iranian people’s resistance for democracy organized and carried out by MEK at its core. Once this fact is understood, the first step toward solving the problem of terrorism is to unleash the power of Iranian resistance by lifting any and all limitations that have unjustly been endured by MEK in its historic battle against terrorism

RHL David Waddington, QC

Mama mia!!!! Boom boom boom boom …. The drums of WAR thunder once more in the distance!

For certain, you are by no means RIGHT. I can’t really speak to the question of whether “Honorable” is appropriate in this case. I suppose that a prosecutor remains honorable even as he argues absurdities in his closing argument. As for the claim to Lord, Our God, I rather think this is as silly as the concept. The best I can say is you certainly shot your wad in this article.

You wrote….
“It is unreasonable that it should be so hampered when, as the Clinton Administration admitted, it was banned in the first place not because of American condemnation of its activities but in a futile and fruitless attempt by America to appease the Regime and reach out to so-called ‘moderates’ within it.”

Really!!! “Appease”, you say? Because Clinton put the MEK on the terrorist list, presumably at Iran’s request? Did we “appease” Israel by listing Hamas and Hesbollah? Did we “appease” Spain by listing the Basque ETN? And on, and on.

Random House Unabridged…
To appease is to make anxious overtures and often undue concessions to satisfy the demands of someone with a greed for power, territory, etc.

American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition…
Appeasement --- A political policy of conceding to aggression by a warlike nation.

The word hardly fits the case now, does it? You see Iran as “greedy” for power? And I don’t suppose you think we are, as we send more troops to Afghanistan and Iraq and another carrier to prowl off the Iranian coast? You think Iran has a greed for what territory, pray tell? You see Iran as a “warlike” nation? Lordy, lordy, as best I can tell,
their only “warlike” action in the last 50 odd years was their 8 year self-defense of Saddam’s invasion from Iraq. Meanwhile, we have militarily had at Viet Nam, Panama, Grenada, Haiti, Nicaragua (by proxy), the Balkans, Somalia (twice now), Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq. I’m sure I have missed a couple here and there.

Mullen, Petraeus, Khalilzad, Cheney, and the whole damn administration are upset at Iran for having the temerity to clandestinely interfere with our occupation of Iraq. Not that we would ever do such a thing ourselves. No, no, Mr. Charlie Wilson’s War is just a movie, pure fiction. We wouldn’t really send Stingers to those Afghan insurgents to shoot down the helicopters of the Russian occupation now, would we? Goodness gracious, haven’t you Brits ever heard the expression, “What is good for the goose, is good for the gander”?

Listen, there is no more basis to see Iran as a threat to the United States than there was to see Iraq as a threat to the United States. Not even had each already possessed nuclear weapons would they have been or be a threat to us, no more than Israel, Pakistan, India, or North Korea have been or are. To begin with, none of them have delivery systems capable of delivering any kind of disabling mass attack on this nation. On the other hand, there is no country in the world, save perhaps Russia, that we could not utterly destroy, indeed obliterate, in very short order in return. Nuclear deterrence works, as the last 60 odd years have amply demonstrated. And unlike our history with the Soviet Union, which was based on Mutually Assured Destruction, these other second rate nations (in terms of nuclear capabilities) have to face plain Assured Destruction. The threat you manufacture in your imagination is sheer nonsense. Neither Iraq or Iran or any other nation for that matter, is interested in committing suicide, which is exactly what would result were it to deliver a nuclear attack on this nation.

Look, the Iranian people are quite capable of changing their regime whenever they choose to do so. They have done it before, with no help from the West I might add, and they may well do it again. That is their business. This is, after all, a Constitutional Republic, whose Constitution was ratified by a national referendum, a more democratic mechanism even than our own ratification by state legislatures. Whether you or we like the complex mixture of shared power between the clergy and elected institutions (and I certainly don’t) does not matter. This is what suited them, what they freely chose, and is entirely up to them to alter as they see fit when they see fit.

T OWENS MAY 4, 1:50 AM :
Good point.

RESEARCHER101 MAY 3, 11:53 PM :
Unfortunately, I can’t agree with your characterization of Iranian leadership. Certainly their must be both dangerous individuals and despicable individuals among them, as we have seen among our own leadership, but these are hardly uniform qualities throughout.

RE Mullen and Iranian involvement in Iraq.
Actually, I’ve no doubt the Iranians are providing weapons and other forms of support to selected groups within Iraq as claimed. But this is something to be expected; it is normal. We have behaved no differently in similar circumstances. This is not a moral issue, but a military one. Should the Iranians get too effective supplying weaponry then it becomes perfectly appropriate to strike at those supply lines. But by itself, it is hardly a cause for war with Iran.

RE Containment.
It is not particularly clear to me just what people really mean by the concept of “containing” Iran. A glance at any map of that part of the world should make it clear that Iran is rather closely “contained” right now. Nuclear Pakistan borders it on the East. To the Northeast we have some 40,000 Western troops in Afghanistan. To the West Iran faces some 150,000 US troops in Iraq. To the South they face a couple of US carriers plus assorted cruisers and destroyers, not to mention US Air Force assets scattered here and there. Finally, across Iraq and the Jordan desert, they face the threat of Israel, which is bound and determined to maintain its nuclear hegemony in the Middle East.

It is odd to see so much threat nonsense in the face of the latest and greatest intelligence consensus, namely that Iran put away its nuclear weapons program back in 2003. Personally, I don’t believe this intelligence is any more than I did that about Iraq back in 2002-2003. Certainly, given Iran’s experience with Hussein’s Iraq, and the discovery of the extent of Iraq’s nuclear program following its quick defeat by the elder Bush, Iran would have been absolutely stupid NOT to initiate a program to acquire nuclear weapons capability. Seriously, surrounded by Sunni Arab neighbors, nuclear Pakistan, nuclear Israel, and potentially nuclear Iraq, you don’t think they might see nuclear weapons as an imperative national interest for the defense of the Iranian nation? Of course they would, of course they did.

Thanks to our stupid Iraq blunder, the threat from Iraq to Iran is no more. Perhaps this would plausibly remove the imperative from the nuclear program and be the reason for putting it in mothballs in 2003. I don’t believe it. The threat from the United States is certainly as large as the threat from Iraq ever was. They have clearly seen in Iraq just what we can and will do to a nation we disapprove of. Afghanistan is a further lesson. Nope, were I Iranian, I would for damn sure want to have nukes just to deter the Great Satan from invading my country like they did Iraq.

It is unfortunate, but the real problem is that there are perfectly good reasons for acquiring nuclear weapons for defensive purposes. For a small country they provide protection from invasion by bigger neighbors. Isn’t that Israel’s excuse, considering their much larger Arab neighbors? They also provide deterrence against nuclear-armed neighbors. Isn’t that India’s excuse, considering China? And isn’t that Pakistan’s excuse, considering India? Indeed, why the hell do we have them? Why do the Brits keep them? And the French, who are always dangerously unpredictable, and sometimes downright nasty?

Perhaps we might be wiser to use our expensive strategic nuclear assets to disable the offensive benefit of having nuclear weapons. Let us just announce the Bush Neocon doctrine …. The United States will henceforth destroy any nation (except Russia, and maybe China) which launches a nuclear weapon in offense; i.e. the only acceptable use is to defend from an invasion across national borders or from a external nuclear attack. In other words, we arbitrarily impose our nuclear shield over all nations, whether we like them or not, and regardless of their form of government. Think of it. Israel would no longer be a nuclear threat to its neighbors, nor Iran should it proceed to acquire nukes. Who knows, if Iran were covered by our shield and felt it credible, perhaps they might no longer feel a need to spend the billions it takes to acquire nuclear weapons.

We need to encourage and support Mr.Waddington and his opinion. Today, Iran’s dismal human rights record, nuclear weapons program, and support for international terrorism directly impact the security and foreign policy of the United States.
During the past 30 years, Iranian regime has proven to be the leading violator of human rights in the world. Although a signatory to the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights, Iran is the only country in the world that continues to execute minors, hang prisoners in public and stone people to death. According to Amnesty international and other human rights organizations, the number of publicized executions in 2007 has exceeded 250, with the actual number being substantially higher than that.
Iranian people deserve a democratic government, the best way to achieve that is to change the current terrorist government in Iran by Iranian people and their main resistance MEK.
MEK has the support of Iranian people and Iranian regime fears them the most and that is why Mullahs in Iran using their resources to tarnish MEK's image by systematic lies.
MEk is responsible for revealing Iran'n secret nuclear activities to the world, also exposing Iran's terrorist activities in Iraq.
We need to recognize their efforts for trying to bring democracy to Iran.

When we BLINDLY adopt a political idea, we cease to grow. So I respect and am open to many things I hear, read, etc... all this to improve myself, sometimes without realization. Yet, during the time, no matter how tedious the experience, much is acquired...and nothing is lost.

I guess what I mean is that I'm a symbol of every decision made in this entire situation, this entire struggle, and the resistance…in its entirety.

I am grateful for Lord Waddington's thoughts and endeavors. I'm happy he believes what so many don't want to, and I'm so comforted to know there are millions of Iranians including myself who are willing to sacrifice what we are for what we could become.

No kidding !!!

"The Iranian Regime’s nuclear ambitions are a threat to world peace."

Not much evidence to support this. No, actually, no evidence at all: Iran hasn't attacked any country for the past couple of centuries. So this is plainly a lie. Or a personal opinion at best.

"the Regime’s unbridled meddling in Iraq and the Middle East"

And that from a person from a country that has actively destroyed said Iraq ??? Do you have any decency at all ?

And no, I didn't read any further, my time is more valuable than to read such blatant propaganda.

The mullahs are the leading supporters of terrorism in the world. Anything and everything must be done to stop them from attaining nukes. Including the military option.

A nuclear-armed Iranian regime will bring a disaster to the world unlike anything since WWII.

Lastly, does anyone not see through The Dishonorable Lord Waddington, he of the United Kingdom, the source of all the problems in the middle east today?

It was these same scoundrels that drew up these artificial borders in the middle east that is the cause of so much upheaval.

It was the British and their British Petroleum Company who siphoned a nation of its resources in Iran and then coreographed a coup when the democratically elected secular government of Iran would not allow its resources to be stolen any longer in 1953.

It was the British who could not play Truman, but were able to successfully manipulate Eisenhower (with the aid of the Dulles Brothers) to take part in operation ajax, and in the process sow the seeds of discontent and revolution in Iran 25 years later.

It was the British with the likes of Anthony Eden, Churchill, and LORD Waddington who considered populations of India, Iran and other colonial subjects as sub-human.

Why are we even giving a forum to such segregated, colonialist, and ancient minds?

To Fred Dastmalchi and anyone else who blindly and idiotically states that "accusation against the MEK have no legal basis and are used by the Iranian regime", I would say you really don't know much and to stay out of the business of regime change. We have been burned enough by our past transgressions, including in Iran.

You yourself state that "The best solution to change Irainan mullas is the third option (support Iranian people) and no to the war and no to the appesment for Iranian mullas."

This is absolutely the right course. The MEK are not the Iranian people. The Iranian people reject the mullahs, but they also reject MEK, and they also reject the monarchists.

They want to change the course of Iran from within. Not from outside, and especially not by a marxist-islamo cult with the blood of Iranians on their hands, backed by neo-conservative and colonial powers.

Read your history of MEK and Iran.

MEK is not the same as the Iranian people. They have been completely de-legitimized as a result of their 1980-88 actions against the Iranian nation. To agree to handover 1/3rd of the Iranian nation to an arab aggressor in exchange for the right to rule will never be forgotten by the Iranian people and history.

During all great invasions of the motherland, people of differing political views come together to fight the common enemy, the foreign invader. Iran is no different than Russia in WWII. Those who despised the Bolsheviks and Stalin put aside their grievances to defend Russia from the despised Nazis.

MEK is viewed no differently than the Vichy regime in France. There is no greater treachory than to align yourself with a nation's mortal enemy. One who maimed and killed one million iranians of all ages and political persuasion.

I am suggesting We should support Iranian Resistance to bring democratic change in Iran.
The accusation against the MEK have no legal basis and are used by the Iranian regime.The best solution to change Irainan mullas is the third option (support Iranian people) and no to the war and no to the appesment for Iranian mullas.
Excellent article by the Rt. Hon Lord Waddington, thank you for the article.

I am suggesting We should support Iranian Resistance to bring democratic change in Iran.
The accusation against the MEK have no legal basis and are used by the Iranian regime.The best solution to change Irainan mullas is the third option (support Iranian people) and no to the war and no to the appeasment for Iranian mullas.
Excellent article by the Rt. Hon Lord Waddington, thank you for the article.

One additional point regarding MEK/NCRI that the general american public should know:

The folks are not just an opposition party. They have tanks and weaponry acquired during Saddam's regime from Iraq, which they used to attack their fellow iranians.

Their leader, Rajavi, signed a deal with Saddam giving Saddam 1/3rd of the Iranian motherland, which Saddam and pan-arabs claim as theirs. This happens to be the region where there is heavy oil reserves.

This immoral and treasonous cult leader was willing to kill fellow iranians and to concede a third of its wealthy land to an enemy, all for the right to rule.

Don't take my word for it. You can do your own research on this group and see the facts.

The Iranian nation has had enough of puppet regimes beholden to the west, and they have had enough of fundementalist islamic dictatorship. Teh pendulum has now setted in the middle, where a vast and overwhelming majority want a representative secular and democratic government created by the people for the people.

The American public should note the the MEK and NCRI are pretty much one and the same. They changed their name and leadership (the MEK head put his wife as the head of NCRI) so that the world could view them differently from their days of marxist-islamo terrorist organization.

These are the same people who have killed american diplomats during the shah's regime and had the marxist sickle on their flag.

Over the last 30 years, they have morphed into a cult where the Rajavi husband and wife team are not just followed, but blindly obeyed and worshipped.

The Iranian public will never follow such cult figures or such a treasonous group that sided with Saddam Hussein in the bloody and unprovoked 8-year Iran-Iraq War which maimed or killed one million iranians.

I am agree with you. MEK are good people.I was in IRAN during 1980s.mullah turcher jail and killed thousand students doctors teachers workers.wested ed .thousand billion dollars during war.And after 30 years look were we are now only mullah are fat and people in Iran poor and no freedom.