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Turkey has proved to the world once again that they are unfit to be part of the European Union.
The Attacks on Kurds have more in common with Hitlers aid to General Franco in Spain, than to European standards of conduct. In this case Bush is taking Hitlers part.
The PKK is a straw horse, the ulterior motive is complete genocise of all Kurds, as Turkey did with the Armenians 100 years ago.

Firstly I would like to say that I am a Turkish Cypriot.
Back in time, from around 1950's to before turks and greeks lived happily, we had our differences but somehow managed to oversee that as we didnt invade no one. we was there for 500 years! how many years does it take for people to be seen as the society in one place?
The kurds, theyve been in Turkey and iraqi parts for HOW LONG?
In a funny way its like we asked for it to happen but the English and the U.S somehow appeared to be interested then the greeks thought yeah lets get rich then wars broke out. why? whos war was this really? the u.s supplying the greeks with weapons or the english who think they own the island?
but coming to the topic, hasnt anyone realised two years ago PKK wasnt a terrorist group, in fact the u.s has supported the kurds and there rights.. turkey was in the wrong right? okay so what happened? suddenly the English have full support for Turkeys progression into the eu. Anyone remember the bomb attacks in parts of Turkey, the English papers wrote DO NOT GO TO TURKEY on them! but now I feel sorry for whats happening over there! the u.s and allies went into iraq, people died, innocent people! and now this? this is all wrong and the english and u.s know exactly what theyre doing!
You want to know what i think? the u.s is just too far from the rest of the world, thats what kept them safe for the past, now they have grown and think they can play big brother to the rest of the world, only problem is they are not siblings, no one is to no one.
You know what i hope the u.s and turkey clash seriously I dont want there favor or the english! these countries have demoralized everyone. And the world is in so much pain i get the feeling it has always been like this maybe being evil is as part of us as much as being good... money politics religion all the these differences are not really any significant! what matters is that we dont destroy innocent lives and live to make it better for everyone and not to make more money! I hope Turkey doesnt enter eu as its only a paradox that u.s majorly (f*** it) owns. and if its not them then this is all the english and there mysterious ways of controlling and making there own lives better policy. And if it wasnt them then its someone else why is the world so f***** up everyone OPEN YOUR EYES

To Dairo
Reputation is relativity concept and the link you mentioned does not mean anything historicly. I recommend all contradictories to search the history toroughly. All our archives are open to contradictories. You stupid PKK supporters does not know what kind of fight you are in. very few Kurdish groups do support this foolish fight. You do not know how the majority of Kurdish people in Turkey live. They are quite reach and benefit from other weak Kurdish poeple. Especialy weak kurdish people adore kurdish tribe leaders and they can die for them for nothing. It is the same situation all over kurds. You should first solve your problems internally then you might have something (You still have nothing to say) to comment about others.

1 Turk value a world (Mustafa Kemal ATATURK)

Turks are losers in this war ..one of the most reputable think tank concluded. see the link
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/me_turkey_01_02.asp

It all goes back to Turkey being totally ignored and refused a membership in EU Community. Turkey was on the forefront during the cold war and they sacrificed a lot on behalf of NATO. When the time came to give them the membership all of a sudden they are a Muslin State hence it is a big "NO" ,whereas Greece Cyprus has been granted a membership. Now would you blame them if they start being a nation who have wrestled themselves out of US influence. Who is creating these divisions and paving the way for the religious parties to win in parliamentary elections?. My conclusion-the west.

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I the word Turk speaks for it self,I am glad i am not turk.

pshtiwan

Why do you publish so many comment by the turks whcih is racist and block the kurds from comments?

Regards
Pshtiwan
Kurdistan

To Mr Malai
When the kurds demand freedom then thay play with fire,have you ever been under occupaition by turks,arabs and pesrsians?i gess not ,then do not comment about things you do not have any idea about.
What we see today in middeleast and islamist is mr Alsalahuddins fault becuase if he just stayed in kurdistan at that time and did not came to rescue islam then i belive the crusaiders will finished the bloody islam.

Pshtiwan
South Kurdistan

Be it turk, armenians, kurds, arabs, we are all human beings. Who needs war and destruction? It's a loss and war will eat on everyone. Sit down and star talking. My advice to turk, have patience and let's talk. For Kurds , do not play with fire, the Americans or MOSAD will not going to be there forever. For Armenians, what past is past, the current generation of turkmen do not even commit the crime that they have been accused. For Arabs, dont you know that Saladin is Kurdish?
Peace to all.

The PKK is an armed terrorist organization, listed as such by the U.S. Government and the European Union. It employs force and the threat of force against civilian and military targets to achieve its political goals. The PKK seeks to create an independent, communist, ethnically pure Kurdish state in an area that it calls Kurdistan. Calling PKK terrorists rebels or guerrillas undermines international efforts to fight terrorism in all its forms and shapes.

PKK’s ambition is Kurdish secession from the Republic of Turkey by force and the threat of force against civilians and military personnel.

The PKK attacks civilian and military targets alike. Since it started its campaign of violence, the PKK has killed thousands of Turkish citizens, especially targeting elementary school teachers, doctors, technicians, engineers of infrastructure projects, Kurdish village guards and police. Today, the PKK has roughly 5,000 members under arms, many of them very young adults. It recently started to use suicide bombers, mainly women, and also remotely detonated roadside bombs, as well landmines, techniques learned and developed in Iraq. Even though they are portrayed in the western media as Kurdish freedom fighters, the PKK has in fact killed thousands of their ethnic brethren who do not support it.
.The PKK is also a criminal enterprise, as it is funded by extortion, drug trafficking (particularly heroin) and the smuggling of illegal immigrants into Europe and the smuggling of petroleum products out of Iraq into Turkey.
Turkey’s ethnic Kurds are first class citizens. Turks of Kurdish ethnicity are well represented in government and in business and industry. They have been Presidents, Prime Ministers, and countless members of parliament of Kurdish ethnic origin. The vast majority of Turkish Kurds are well integrated into society and have the same rights and liberties as all other citizens. Restrictions that existed on cultural expressions of ethnic identities have long been lifted. Kurds in Turkey preserve their ethnic identity, language and local cultures. Turkey has taken laudable steps to open space for Kurdish culture in recent years: radio and television broadcasts in Kurdish have been authorized; the Turkish Public Television broadcasts in Kurdish; private instruction in Kurdish is permitted.

The southeast of Turkey, where a large number of Kurdish Turks live, has received the greatest per capita public investment, totaling well over 150 billion dollars through the course of the past three decades. In the past few years only, investments to the southeast of Turkey have surpassed 20 billion dollars in contrast to the fact that the region generates a miniscule contribution to the overall GNP of Turkey. In addition to public investment, Turkish civil society organizations, particularly charitable organizations that support education and healthcare, have poured millions of dollars in donations into projects specifically designed for the needs of this region.
Turkey has constantly extended a hand of friendship and help to Iraqi Kurds. Turkey gave safe haven to over 500 thousand Iraqi Kurds who fled Saddam’s wrath and were take care of by Turkey for several years. Today, Turkey is a major electricity supplier to northern Iraq, is its main supply route and has helped in the rebuilding of this part of Iraq. Friendly relations with Turkey are to the benefit of the Kurdish Iraqis. But Kurdish leaders are squandering this opportunity by harboring the PKK.
Under international law, Turkey enjoys a right to pursue the PKK into northern Iraq to protect its citizens and sovereignty, a right indistinguishable from the United States claim of authority to invade any country that harbors terrorists.

In sum, Kurds enjoy equal opportunity to pursue their political and economic ambitions in Turkey. Their achievements in those realms are impressive. The PKK is a Marxist-Leninist terrorist organization that has rejected Turkey’s democracy for violence and terror to pursue the illegal aim of secession. Turkey’s right to enter northern Iraq in pursuit of its PKK terrorist enemy is beyond question and fully in accord with international law and practice.

TO JAMSHID;; at least donkey is useful for something,what about you and your people? you and persians were our slaves for years ,,you done more job then the donkey in past, but you no good now and we still use donkeys, if you understand what i am try to say,you and persians dont even worth as much as donkeys any more ...that your stone age brain sayin that meanin of that word means that..but if you read the dictionary what TURK means in the world..but you cant say it because you know what it means realy,,you forget about us TURKS,you worry about USA,i dont know how you going to save yourself when they start to destroy you people soon,,,persia and iran or those bloody leaders of yours with stupid backward headed imams will be running to us TO TURKIYE for help ..are you gonna say the same things again,,no..beacuse you wont be alive to or see all this happening

If you exchange a Turk with a donkey..the donkey's owner losses why?..Turkha Khara are worth les...logic from Persia,,

Turkha Khara..come visit e in Persia.

Turka Khara (Turkish donkey) may have IQ of no mor than 40. I am being good to Turka Khara..... WE persians hate Turka Khara..

I wrie from Isfhan, Iran, In Iran we call Turks Turka Khara whicj means Turkish donkey. Turks are donkeys...They are not human beings. WE persians know that for longs. They not killed people in Kordestan but other areas. .Turka Khara is a wild wild animal...it needs to restrained.

The northern Iraq region is managed under one person the Barzani -Talabani family clans. The parliment is for birds to sing. Let me tell a bit about Mr Barzani Father Molla mustafa Barzani who attacked Turkey an incdent in record of history back in 1930, then asked To be granted asylum by Turkey a year later!. This is the pyhce two way street personality we are dealing with. This clan is like a big corporation with account executives. They do not have the skill and ability to have a state of their own. IT is claer that Brzani has been harboring,abading and financing the PKK which are killing turkish soldiers and civilians coming across the border. Turkey does not want a neigbor like this. its time the regions people wake to this.

TOO..ARAN,END TO PIGS LIKE HIM ..........................TO find out how much dignity we got ,you got to go and ask your mother she will tell you...and all kurds knows that..i know it will be very easy to talk front of moniter and on pc like this and you can say anything,,but when it comes to face to face you tribes running to mountains,hiding like womens,we got guts and glory,we dont hide if you want i give you my adress you come here and say that to my face ,if you want i will even send you airfares,,but i doubt, you and people weak and chicken like anything..and if your got a little bit of brain you understand what i say READ MY LIP kurds and TURKS NOT BROTHERS

The Turkish junta should treat the Kurds as a genuine people not as animals...A just peace is what is needed between the two brotherly nations of Kurdistan & Turkey. War is only brings disaster to Kurdistan & Turkey.

War is terrible..but the Kurds in Southren Kurdistan are attacked..the region will turn into a graveyard of Turkish army....Let's have peace with justice..

Kurds In Southern Kurdistan Vow To Fight Turkish Troops

By DOUGLAS BIRCH, Associated Press Writer
Oct 24, 2007

DERISHKIT, (Southern Kurdistan)- Two Turkish jet fighters streaked across the mountain peaks near this border village Wednesday as part of an expanding military force gathered to pressure Kurdish rebels to abandon their hideouts in Southern Kurdistan.

Residents claimed the planes were on a bombing run to hit a site about four miles inside Iraq, but could offer no details to back up their assertion. If true, however, the airstrike would mark a notable escalation of Turkish tactics against the Kurdish rebels.

The overflight came after three days of artillery shelling from inside Turkey at this area along the Zey-Gowra River, said Jalal Salman, the 45-year-old principal of the local school, and five other villagers.

Turkey's government has warned it will launch an offensive into Southern Kurdistan if Iraqi authorities don't move against bases used by the Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK, which has waged a more than two-decade fight for autonomy in predominantly Kurdish southeastern Turkey.

Officials in Iraq's Kurdish region say there are no PKK bases, at least in populated areas under government control.

Local officials said the Turkish artillery fire had mostly hit orchards, roads, mountainsides and, in one case, a tourist restaurant in a cave. So far there were no casualties in this area, they said.

Five other Derishkit residents joined Salman and gestured toward a Turkish military post on a hilltop in the neighboring town of Khani-Mase. An armored vehicle stood on the heights, its gun pointing down the slope. The post is one of five bases established inside this part of Iraq in the mid-1990s with Iraqi Kurd agreement as part of Turkey's war against PKK separatists.

Salman said villagers were not intimidated by the base's soldiers, who they said sometimes fired machine guns at people gathering firewood on the slopes below.

They also said they won't hesitate to wage war on Turkish troops if an invasion comes.

"There will be a guerrilla war, and we will take up arms," Salman said as the other men nodded in agreement. "What else can we do? They are bombing us. They are committing aggression."

Popular anger at Turkey seems to be growing in Southern Kurdistan, along with quiet preparations for conflict. There have been large demonstrations in the region's major cities, and television reports on a Kurdish protest in Turkey's capital riveted viewers here.

According to a report in one Kurdish newspaper, people living near one of the largest Turkish bases in Southern Kurdistan threatened to attack the post if the Turkish army continued to fire artillery at the area.

Meanwhile, the Kurdish regional government has moved in units of its Peshmerga Defense Forces from the region's south. More than 100 of the fighters arrived aboard white buses Tuesday morning in Dohuk, capital of the region.

Smaller units of Peshmerga mustered in mosques and schools near the border, which they usually avoid because of the risk of clashes with Turkish troops. Several convoys of white SUVs, evidently carrying high-ranking Peshmerga commanders, were seen traveling in the area.

Muhammed Mohsin, an official with Southern Kurdistan's dominant Kurdish Democratic Party in the Amadiya border area, said more than 50 villages in his area had been bombarded by Turkish artillery in recent days but no casualties had been reported.

Mohsin, one of the most influential political figures in Amadiya, said residents and the Peshmerga have laid plans for fighting any Turkish incursion.

"Our tactic is partisan fighting, a partisan conflict," he said. "If they attack, we are going to launch a partisan war against them."

Mohsin insisted there are no PKK camps in the Amadiya area.

But he also said dozens or hundreds of villages near the border had been evacuated and burned during Saddam Hussein campaign against Kurds and most remained empty. The Kurdish regional government has no control over this "no man's land," he said.

The area consists of range after range of arid mountains topped by sawtooth rocks, towering over narrow, twisting river valleys. "A million men could hide in those mountains," Mohsin said.

Many Iraqi Kurd officials suspect Turkey's real aim is to try to destabilize Southern Kurdistan, the most peaceful part of the country, to discourage separatist sentiment among the millions of Kurds living in southeastern Turkey.

The PKK has been fighting against the Turkish government since 1984 in a war that has caused 30,000 deaths. While it previously demanded a separate Kurdish state in Turkey's southeast, it more recently has called for an autonomous region — similar to the region that the Kurds have in Southern Kurdistan.

While the United States and Iraq's central government in Baghdad have labeled the PKK a terrorist organization, most Iraqi Kurds appear to regard its guerrillas as freedom fighters. They accuse the Turkish government of a long history of suppressing the Kurdish language and culture.

Many people here look to the United States to prevent Turkey from launching a major offensive into Iraq, some suggesting that Washington should respond with military force to any incursion.

"The U.S. is an occupying power," said Fahmi Salman, another regional Kurdistan Democratic Party official in Adamiya. "It is the duty of the United States to defend Kurdistan."

Salman said that even if the Americans don't help, the Kurds are prepared to defend their homes.

"The Kurds don't like war fighting," he said. "But if this happens, it will be a popular war. It will be against the people, and the people will fight."

War is terrible..but the Kurds in Southren Kurdistan are attacked..the region will turn into a graveyard of Turkish army....Let's have peace with justice..

Kurds In Southern Kurdistan Vow To Fight Turkish Troops

By DOUGLAS BIRCH, Associated Press Writer
Oct 24, 2007

DERISHKIT, (Southern Kurdistan)- Two Turkish jet fighters streaked across the mountain peaks near this border village Wednesday as part of an expanding military force gathered to pressure Kurdish rebels to abandon their hideouts in Southern Kurdistan.

Residents claimed the planes were on a bombing run to hit a site about four miles inside Iraq, but could offer no details to back up their assertion. If true, however, the airstrike would mark a notable escalation of Turkish tactics against the Kurdish rebels.

The overflight came after three days of artillery shelling from inside Turkey at this area along the Zey-Gowra River, said Jalal Salman, the 45-year-old principal of the local school, and five other villagers.

Turkey's government has warned it will launch an offensive into Southern Kurdistan if Iraqi authorities don't move against bases used by the Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK, which has waged a more than two-decade fight for autonomy in predominantly Kurdish southeastern Turkey.

Officials in Iraq's Kurdish region say there are no PKK bases, at least in populated areas under government control.

Local officials said the Turkish artillery fire had mostly hit orchards, roads, mountainsides and, in one case, a tourist restaurant in a cave. So far there were no casualties in this area, they said.

Five other Derishkit residents joined Salman and gestured toward a Turkish military post on a hilltop in the neighboring town of Khani-Mase. An armored vehicle stood on the heights, its gun pointing down the slope. The post is one of five bases established inside this part of Iraq in the mid-1990s with Iraqi Kurd agreement as part of Turkey's war against PKK separatists.

Salman said villagers were not intimidated by the base's soldiers, who they said sometimes fired machine guns at people gathering firewood on the slopes below.

They also said they won't hesitate to wage war on Turkish troops if an invasion comes.

"There will be a guerrilla war, and we will take up arms," Salman said as the other men nodded in agreement. "What else can we do? They are bombing us. They are committing aggression."

Popular anger at Turkey seems to be growing in Southern Kurdistan, along with quiet preparations for conflict. There have been large demonstrations in the region's major cities, and television reports on a Kurdish protest in Turkey's capital riveted viewers here.

According to a report in one Kurdish newspaper, people living near one of the largest Turkish bases in Southern Kurdistan threatened to attack the post if the Turkish army continued to fire artillery at the area.

Meanwhile, the Kurdish regional government has moved in units of its Peshmerga Defense Forces from the region's south. More than 100 of the fighters arrived aboard white buses Tuesday morning in Dohuk, capital of the region.

Smaller units of Peshmerga mustered in mosques and schools near the border, which they usually avoid because of the risk of clashes with Turkish troops. Several convoys of white SUVs, evidently carrying high-ranking Peshmerga commanders, were seen traveling in the area.

Muhammed Mohsin, an official with Southern Kurdistan's dominant Kurdish Democratic Party in the Amadiya border area, said more than 50 villages in his area had been bombarded by Turkish artillery in recent days but no casualties had been reported.

Mohsin, one of the most influential political figures in Amadiya, said residents and the Peshmerga have laid plans for fighting any Turkish incursion.

"Our tactic is partisan fighting, a partisan conflict," he said. "If they attack, we are going to launch a partisan war against them."

Mohsin insisted there are no PKK camps in the Amadiya area.

But he also said dozens or hundreds of villages near the border had been evacuated and burned during Saddam Hussein campaign against Kurds and most remained empty. The Kurdish regional government has no control over this "no man's land," he said.

The area consists of range after range of arid mountains topped by sawtooth rocks, towering over narrow, twisting river valleys. "A million men could hide in those mountains," Mohsin said.

Many Iraqi Kurd officials suspect Turkey's real aim is to try to destabilize Southern Kurdistan, the most peaceful part of the country, to discourage separatist sentiment among the millions of Kurds living in southeastern Turkey.

The PKK has been fighting against the Turkish government since 1984 in a war that has caused 30,000 deaths. While it previously demanded a separate Kurdish state in Turkey's southeast, it more recently has called for an autonomous region — similar to the region that the Kurds have in Southern Kurdistan.

While the United States and Iraq's central government in Baghdad have labeled the PKK a terrorist organization, most Iraqi Kurds appear to regard its guerrillas as freedom fighters. They accuse the Turkish government of a long history of suppressing the Kurdish language and culture.

Many people here look to the United States to prevent Turkey from launching a major offensive into Iraq, some suggesting that Washington should respond with military force to any incursion.

"The U.S. is an occupying power," said Fahmi Salman, another regional Kurdistan Democratic Party official in Adamiya. "It is the duty of the United States to defend Kurdistan."

Salman said that even if the Americans don't help, the Kurds are prepared to defend their homes.

"The Kurds don't like war fighting," he said. "But if this happens, it will be a popular war. It will be against the people, and the people will fight."

Kurdish nation has the name rights as Turkish people...All nations are brothers....

What dignity do you turkish bastards have! well we all know what dignity you turkish people have, all you have is the same dignity as Sibel Kekili.

with all resepect there has never been assyrians genocide otherwise united states would mention assyrians, that what I know, even if you wish you your nation name should be on the paper but according armanians there were only genocide of armanians and kurdish people.

kurds got what dignity? what pride they got? YEAH PRIDE FOR BACKSTABBING,,,TURKIYE open their hearts,open their arms to them,we turks give them food ,we give them water most of them we give them freedom to them AFTER THEY BEEN KICK OUT FROM RUSSIA,unfortunetly thats way soo much of them living in our country,,.but now what they want? because we give them our hand they want our arm..which country will do this? can you claim for a land from amerika or australia or europe countrys if you are refugee?because some kurds living in TURKIYE these tribes want land from us and to that they feeding terrorists soo when these pigs of pkk dead ,they are going to beg to other countrys saying TURKS killing kurds sooo they get mercy..they might have mercy to kurds but we TURKS wont,specialy if you try to touch us,if you hurt us. people like aran got no pride no dignity no self respect,and top of that he thinks giving your land giving your pride and giving your self is freedom and happiness... i told you people they are sooooo cheap,THAT they let everyone jump on their back.....LONG LIVE TURKIYE

Sick comment from the guy who wrote the note before this messaage and stated the only good Kurd is a dead Kurd!!. He is so liberal compare to Turkish junta that he qualifies for Turkish ACLU. KURDS ARE A PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY & RIGHTS. That right incluse what are mentioned in the greatest document of this great America: freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Kurdistan shall not only survive but also thrive!!

Sick comment from the guy who wrote the note before this messaage and stated the only good Kurd is a dead Kurd!!. He is so liberal compare to Turkish junta that he qualifies for Turkish ACLU. KURDS ARE A PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY & RIGHTS. That right incluse what are mentioned in the greatest document of this great America: freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Kurdistan shall not only survive but also thrive!!

when america travels 12000 kms after 9/11 to kill terrorist in irak everyone in the world silent..when TURKIYE,wanna deal with terrorist right next to their backyard it becames genocide.this shows how TURKISH POWER scares world and people like above comment maker aran.no need to scare people. what we do we do it for peace in the world as great ATATURK said;PEACE AT HOME PEACE ABROAD.. but people like slave kurds and armenians they have got no guts and balls to do same thing to russia who they kick them out of their homeland. you know why? because we are a elite people,we brave people,we are respected people and we are a nation with PRIDE ,,we got this pride and glory by cleaning up bad people in the world to have peaceful world.but people like aran ,or people that who support terrorizm like kurds,there is no peace to the world,and as long these type of pigs exist on the face of the world terrosizm is gonna be there,,we will deal with this tribes,what other nations going to do..give their land..LONG LIVE TURKIYE

TO; aran... with you kurd and with your thick head very hard to understand what i said , we got no kurd friends and we dont want kurdish friends and we never had ...you were just our slaves ..we got plenty friends like azerbaycan, turkmenistan,kazakistan others in that area,,what makes people like you to deal with us we dont wanna deal with you in anything,i dont know why you tribes try to sell youself that cheaply,,we only deal with you when we want ,not when you open your legs and bend over front of us like you to other nations and as you do it now to usa.because i am telling the truth and all the TURKS saying the same thing,, dont be cheap have bit of a pride thats if you got any,for once in your life try to get a life as a tribes kurds,good kurd is the dead one

The above comment shows the kind of people we are dealing with in Turkey. The Kurds wants peace...but it is very hard to clap with one hands becuase pigs like the above person are in control in Turkey. I still say Kurds & Turks are brithers..and Turkey is made up of 2 nationalites: Kurds & Turks.
May God bless Kurdistan as it faces enemies as vicious as Hitler, Stalinn..

one main thing is should be in the heads of all kurds tribes and to world that supports these gypsy tribes is, TURKEY BELONGS TO TURKS,AND TURKS ONLY FRIENDS IS TURKS..either you like it or you live TURKEY..we dont want kurds in TURKEY they can live any where they want but i tell you something,more they stay there or around us,we WILL DESTROY them sistematicly or with bullets..we try to tell everyone you dont f##k with TURKS..KURDS NOT OUR BROTHERS ,they are arabs or some kind of gypsy tribes..to be come a TURK or to be friend with TURKS,you got to be brave and strong like the definition of the word (TURK)..dream about our strength and start worrying,,because we will be the nightmares of our enemys...

They say that the first casualty of any war is the TRUTH. But the truth is always alien to the Turkish regime and its evil deiogns. Their aim is NOT PKK. They want to scare off the Kurds of Iraq from getting back the heart of Kurdistan, known as Kirkuk, through democratic process in Iraq known as article 140. While the criminal junta denies the genocide which happened 90 years ago against Armenians..it is preparing a new one against the Kurds. This time GENOCIDE WILL NOT BE A PICNIC...TURKISH JUNTA will be buried there in Kurdistan. Its place like Hitler, Stalin, ...

If lies could take place in the stomach then we would have seen the stomachs of the criminal fascist junta in Turkey burst long long time again. Their aim is not PKK. Their aim is to scare the Kurds of Southren Kurdistan into backing off of their freedom March. You see the criminal junta in Turkey wants the Kurds in other countries to have the same fate as as their 30 milion Kurds in Turkey: enslavement. Turkish junta, war is bad and Kurds more than others hate it. But if you feel like going to Southren Kurdistan..then maybe do it..the war you start will be finished by Kurds. It may result in the crumbling hungry crimninal state of Turkey.
May God's curse be upon the enemies of the Kurdish nation & Kurdistan.

This article was in the Conservative Voice..

by Craig Chamberlain
Turkish Temper Tantrum
October 20, 2007 01:00 PM EST

If the Armenian genocide of 1915 wasn't a genocide then why are the Turks so enraged whenever the subject comes up? Yes, it's true that the massacre happened during a time of war and that some Turks lost their lives. But the campaign was nothing more than an attempt by the failing Ottoman government to wipe out the Armenians. After all they weren't Turks and they weren't Muslims so why have them around.

Not that the Armenians were the first victims of Turkish agression. For over a century the Turks ruled and brutalized the Balkans, with acts of violence and forcibly taking Christian children from their homes and making them Janisarries in the Ottoman army. (Now all of that is in the past, although if Erdogan has his way the old Turkey might emerge again.)The Greeks who had been living in Asia minor since the bronze age were forcibly expelled by the Turks after world war one. The Kurds had every shred of the culture buried by the Turks(the Turks went so far as to deny that they Kurds even existed, referring to them as "mountain Turks).

In the old days the Turks targeted their victims for religious reasons. Non Muslims were the victims of their violence. After the rise of Ataturk Jihad was replaced by Turkish Chauvinism. Now Turkey is trying to combine the two. Erdogan is trying to create a new Islamism at home and nationalism abroad.

That being said Congress has better things to do. If they want to deal with genocide why not deal with the situation in Darfur, which is ongoing, instead of talking about something that happened in 1915? The answer is that Congress likes grandstanding and chest thumping, they just don't like to take any action.

Instead all they do is agitate a very touchy country, a country that already wants to invade Iraq so they can launch a new campaign against the Kurds(if Erdogan has his way he'll turn the hunt for a few PKK rebels into a new genocide) though it seems after Erdogan has gotten to rattle the saber he's backing down. The situation in Iraq is still dangerous, even after the success of the surge, and we couldn't have allowed the Turks to invade the Kurdish region which happens to be the most stable part of Iraq.

As allies the Turks are valuable, but not irreplaceable. Under Erdogan relations have gotten worse from cool to downright frozen. Still it would be in the interests of the United States to keep the Turks on our side. Congress should abandon the resolution, there's nothing that can be done about it. If they want to stop violence let them stop something that's still ongoing. The Turks are going to be Turks no matter how Congress votes.

This article was in the Conservative Voice..

by Craig Chamberlain
Turkish Temper Tantrum
October 20, 2007 01:00 PM EST

If the Armenian genocide of 1915 wasn't a genocide then why are the Turks so enraged whenever the subject comes up? Yes, it's true that the massacre happened during a time of war and that some Turks lost their lives. But the campaign was nothing more than an attempt by the failing Ottoman government to wipe out the Armenians. After all they weren't Turks and they weren't Muslims so why have them around.

Not that the Armenians were the first victims of Turkish agression. For over a century the Turks ruled and brutalized the Balkans, with acts of violence and forcibly taking Christian children from their homes and making them Janisarries in the Ottoman army. (Now all of that is in the past, although if Erdogan has his way the old Turkey might emerge again.)The Greeks who had been living in Asia minor since the bronze age were forcibly expelled by the Turks after world war one. The Kurds had every shred of the culture buried by the Turks(the Turks went so far as to deny that they Kurds even existed, referring to them as "mountain Turks).

In the old days the Turks targeted their victims for religious reasons. Non Muslims were the victims of their violence. After the rise of Ataturk Jihad was replaced by Turkish Chauvinism. Now Turkey is trying to combine the two. Erdogan is trying to create a new Islamism at home and nationalism abroad.

That being said Congress has better things to do. If they want to deal with genocide why not deal with the situation in Darfur, which is ongoing, instead of talking about something that happened in 1915? The answer is that Congress likes grandstanding and chest thumping, they just don't like to take any action.

Instead all they do is agitate a very touchy country, a country that already wants to invade Iraq so they can launch a new campaign against the Kurds(if Erdogan has his way he'll turn the hunt for a few PKK rebels into a new genocide) though it seems after Erdogan has gotten to rattle the saber he's backing down. The situation in Iraq is still dangerous, even after the success of the surge, and we couldn't have allowed the Turks to invade the Kurdish region which happens to be the most stable part of Iraq.

As allies the Turks are valuable, but not irreplaceable. Under Erdogan relations have gotten worse from cool to downright frozen. Still it would be in the interests of the United States to keep the Turks on our side. Congress should abandon the resolution, there's nothing that can be done about it. If they want to stop violence let them stop something that's still ongoing. The Turks are going to be Turks no matter how Congress votes.

Dear Ted,
what kind of image muslims have i donot know but i know one image of USA for example Guantanmo.The hidden prison.i suppose that you are aware of complaints done by HR organisations and other countries.

other image is CIA flights which are done through all around Europe and middle-east.

Genocide is a serious topic.There is a conflict between war conditions and genocide conditions.
do you imagine that 100 years later if iraqi people asked for genocide done against in iraqi would USA admit genocide?

"The Kurdish tribes involved in Hamidieh Cavalry took part in the Armenian massacre. Hundreds of thousands of Armenian and Assyrians were slaughtered and as many were forced to migrate during this massacre"
There are many Armenian,Kurdish and Assyrian people still leaving in Turkey.i have never heard of those.my dreampower couldnot catch yours.What kind of problem you have i donot know but please stay there whereever you are.We donot want
any ridicolous time consuming issues in Turkey anymore.

Genocide is something like killing whole nation systematically without leaving any of them.This is something like Adolf planned.But still we have Kurdish Armenian and Assyrian people in Turkey peacefully living.

And congrulations Kurdo:you have a problem.According to somebodies Kurdish people executed Assyrian genocide :) you have another duty instead of blaming firstly to struggle with this one:) good luck boy

Worryingly nobody mentions What ottoman Empire or Turkey did for Jewesh people in the history.Ottoman Empire moved many Jewesh people from Spain to help and save them.And Jewesh people have taken part in trading significantly.And still playing key roles in Turkey.

"The Turkish state is also following the same policy today. While aggravating the Alevi and Sunni people against each other, the government is also promoting the village guard system thus setting the Kurds against one another"

There had been problems between Alevi and Sunni people in the near past.There are organisations which negotiate with government.Problems are known and at least discussed.Also progress is followed by EU.

Village Guard System is supported and provided by Kurdish originated people living in south-eastern part of Turkey.PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION calls those Kurdish People as traitor.
In the last Terrorist-massacre 15 Kurdish People were slaughtered.Most of them were member of Village Guard System.And they were on their way to work on constructing water chanelling system.Those victims were trying to get simply water to their village.why does PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION kill Kurdish people?

"Zubeyir Aydar-Chair of the Executive Committee"

This guy is another terrorist who set up subdiary organisation of PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.Nothing more to say.

"Second to prove to you that this is not about pkk, Military option was exrcized in the 1990's with an ok from US and cooperation from Kurds"

Check Talabani's declaration,Mr Talabani says those forces purpose is observing and controlling terrorist activities in Northern Iraqi.

"which are officially verified by KRG authorities , we are sure that " TURKEY HAS ALREADY ATTACKED AND INTRUDED KRG !!!"

Soran you made me laughed.Who are those authorities? Barzani and Talabani can explain the reason briefly.
Please stop distorting! One fact you can search and easily find the this.Turkey and Northen Iraqi authorities fought against PKK-Terrorist Organization together.and Turkey and Northen Iraqi authorities signed an aggrement to fight against terrorism.That's what Turkey is there.

let me correct your propaganda :) TURKEY AND KRG FOUGHT AGAINST TERRORISM(PKK) IN THE PAST!!!

"an independent and unaffiliated commentator" or Kurdish racist? i prefer to say Kurdish racist.that's better
:)

"50 million Kurds all over the world" i suppose this is not enough let's make it 70 million all around the middle-east except Kurdish diaspora.Sorry i forgot it cause in the future you are gonna ask for Kurdish genocide :) Same theatre play
Actually the number of Kurdish people doesnot disturb Turkish people.Kurdish originated people made many things with Turkish people in the history.

"to expel those foreign aggressors" blablabla Turkey and Northern Iraqi Authorities have common and powerful relationships.They have now two choices 1-to support or let PKK go in their district 2-As known in the past to have good relatinships and work together with their neighbours.

"What logic and philosophy , judges that PKKs who are genuine defensive Kurds"
Talabani and Barzani's logic and philosophy judges and confirms that PKK is a terrorist organization and they donot support either want existency of PKK in their district.Check PUKMedia or watch few tvchannels.

"why they allowed the Turkish parliament , to approve this ridiculous bill to intrude and attack KRG unanimously " IT IS NOT KRG .IT IS PKK-THE TERRORISTS .FUNNY BOY.
if it were so Talabani and Barzani would be nuts.Talabani and Barzani still visit Turkey to make negatiations.Do you think that they support PKK or terrorist? Do you think that they want to lose Turkey support? Turkey has made many investmenst and supported them.They also know and declare this fact except few terrorist or their supporters.

"there were no numbers- the only numbers were that out of 27,000 displaced kurds- only 12,000 received monetary compensation from the truksih government."

Turkish government and military displace many villages to protect people from PKK-TERRORISM.Because of that Diyarbakir is now a huge village instead of city.PKK-Terrorism destroyed Kurdish originated people in south-eastern part of Turkey.Children cannot go to their schools,nurses are killed,policemen are killed ,soldiers are killed.Only purpose of PKK is to prevent all support and investments done by government to those areas in order to make its propaganda reasonable.

Mike Green is a footbal player? or rugby?

this is the first crap:
"Turkey is not pleased with the development of greater autonomy for the Kurds in Iraq. Last weekend, the Turkish military shelled areas of northern Iraq. Most Americans have no idea why, nor do they care"

how do you know that most americans have no idea? America has been neighbour to Turkey after Iraqi war.Two allies ,Two NATO allies,Two NATO allies who involved together also in Afganistan.
What kind of reality is this? do you think that this is a kind of game? you know nothing about
internatioanal relationships.It's impossible America doesnot have any idea.

second crap:
"Turkey is not pleased with the development of greater autonomy for the Kurds in Iraq"
This guy easily can ask Barzani and Talabani What kind of investments and supports Turkey has done till now northern Kurdish authorities.There are many turkish companies investments in Northern Iraqi.

Anyone who tries to destroy relationships between Turkey and Northern Iraqi Authorities could claim this.As PKK-Terrorist Organisation tries nowadays.PKK tries or supposes that Northern Iraqi Authorities,Iraqi Governemnt or either USA let PKK go further their terrorism

TURKEY HAS ALREADY ATTACKED AND INTRUDED KRG !!!

Above unexpected "article title", may be quite surprising for most readers , but in fact , it is seen and/or heard by majority of us , indirectly or even directly , confessed by Kurdish authorities , so is considered as an undeniable reality .

In order to avoid dissipating the precious time of diligent and savant readers, by repetitive arguments , I very briefly remind them , that even some KRG high ranking authorities , have confirmed repeatedly , that some Turkish troops are already stationed there from relatively long time ago ; and in recent days , in most of respective news bulletins , we have seen and head r , that KRG's territory is attacked by Turkish artillery shelling etc , even they demonstrate such shelling and attack scenes , in TV and other media reports etc . So , by analyzing and briefing the above news , which are officially verified by KRG authorities , we are sure that " TURKEY HAS ALREADY ATTACKED AND INTRUDED KRG !!! " .

As an independent and unaffiliated commentator , I deem the KRG authorities are seriously expected , not only to prevent Turkey to expand its previous mischief and malicious intervention , but also to close the old Turkish bases there ; and to retaliate any artillery or whatever attack , on KRG region , by any possible defensive means .

50 million Kurds all over the world along with nearly all the rational population of the glob , at 6 continents , will support the legitimate rights of Kurdish leaders , to expel those foreign aggressors ; and stop military daily routine attacks at Kurdistan.

What logic and philosophy , judges that PKKs who are genuine defensive Kurds , shall leave KRG soil which is part of Great Kurdistan , but Turkey's malignant army, must stay there ? If , in fact in Turkish ( Turkland's ) parliament , there are 80 Kurdish parliamentarians , why they allowed the Turkish parliament , to approve this ridiculous bill to intrude and attack KRG unanimously ? Why so called central Federal Republic of Iraq must unite with Turkey against PKK ?, Why Turkey and other neighboring countries shall have military bases there , why King ( President ) B. Asad is allowed to intervene and support such jungle ratification ? And many other questions , which are the token of Turkey's fascism nature , that require very serious and perhaps obligatory Kurdish sanguine reaction . This is a significant dilemma , which challenges the political fate of 50 million Kurds , at the commencement of 3rd millennium .

go to the Human Rights Group website...and see the crimes of the Turkish state against the Kurds. As the Turkish movie YOL stated in the eighties..Turkey IS A BIG PRISION,,,rub by the mightt Turkish general thugs. Those thugs are vicious, rutlhess, and criminal. If there is any justice in the world left..the Turkish miltary junta need to be taken to the Hague, Netherland to gace genocide Kurds against the Kurds.

go to the Human Rights Group website...and see the crimes of the Turkish state against the Kurds. As the Turkish movie YOL stated in the eighties..Turkey IS A BIG PRISION,,,rub by the mightt Turkish general thugs. Those thugs are vicious, rutlhess, and criminal. If there is any justice in the world left..the Turkish miltary junta need to be taken to the Hague, Netherland to gace genocide Kurds against the Kurds.

October 20, 2007

LONDON, UK, -- Mr Dave Anderson, the UK Member of Parliament for Blaydon, on Friday, in the House of Commons expressed his deep concern about Turkey’s recent vote authorising a military incursion into the Kurdistan Region in Iraq.

The Turkish parliament Wednesday approved a motion authorizing military strikes for a one-year period against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which uses bases in border mountains in Kurdistan 'northern Iraq' for attacks on targets across the border in Turkey.

The Labour MP called for a debate on the current situation in Kurdistan by tabling an Early day motion (EDM). He asked fellow MPs to back his motion that the House of Commons “deplores Turkish shelling of villages inside the Kurdistan Region in Iraq on the Iraq-Turkey border…is deeply concerned that a Turkish incursion could jeopordise the economy of the Kurdistan Region, the most secure and prosperous part of Iraq where Turkish trade and investment has been instrumental to economic growth”.
Mr Dave Anderson, the UK Member of Parliament for Blaydon

Mr Anderson also noted that the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) seeks no conflict with Turkey and considers friendly relations with Turkey its top priority. He said he believed that problems and disagreements should be solved through diplomacy and dialogue based on the principle of non-interference in the affairs of others, rather than threats of military force.

The MP for Blaydon stressed that he deplored recent terrorist attacks in Turkey and supported mediation with Iraq to find a comprehensive political solution. He hoped that other UK MPs would sign his motion over the next few days to indicate that they share his concerns about a possible Turkish incursion.

Mr Anderson is a member of Labour Friends of Iraq, which supports democracy and labour rights for all Iraqis. In 2006 he led a Labour Friends of Iraq fact-finding mission to the Kurdistan Region, where he met many Kurdish and Iraqi trade unionists.

The Kurds' fight for freedom 20.10.2007
By Mike Green - The contents of this article reflect the author's personal opinions

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October 20, 2007

The Kurds have learned not to trust America.

Today, Turkey runs raids into Iraq, killing the Kurds despite their alliance with the United States. But it ought not come as a surprise to anyone except the American public — which remains virtually clueless about the extent of the relationship between the U.S. and a people of the Middle East whose country truly was "wiped off the map" by western forces.

The Kurds are an estimated 40 million people still fighting for the independence they lost when their land, Kurdistan, was wiped off the map by the British following WWI. After Britain carved up the Middle East into artificial nations, the Kurds awakened to find themselves living in Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran.

Still, the Kurds retained their heritage as people of Kurdistan.

Thus, began the Kurdish battle for independence — the greater majority of which reside in Turkey and Iraq. Their story ought to be of considerable interest to the American public, since the fate of the Kurds is a core issue in the complex quagmire created by the Bush-Clinton-Bush cabal when it sought to control Iraq by military means beginning in 1990 and continuing to the present day.

Backstabbers

A few months prior to NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, U.S. intelligence was assisting Turkey in the capture of the Kurdish rebel leader Abdullah Ocalan. He was eventually taken into custody in Kenya with the assistance of the United States.

Greece was infuriated. The Kurds have long enjoyed support from the Greek Orthodox Church, which sympathized with their plight. Greece, which is a member of NATO, threatened to provide jamming codes for NATO (U.S.) bombers to Russia.

Backlash

Months later, rescuers in Yugoslavia used shovels to scoop up the remains of children in the aftermath of a massive NATO bombing campaign gone awry. American officials denied criticism that its bombing of Yugoslavia created massive civilian casualties. After the war, the U.S. military admitted that a majority of its bombings failed to hit desired targets. It also claimed that Greece did not provide jamming codes to Russia.

Back to Iraq

Meanwhile, U.S. forces were using a Turkish air base to launch bombing raids into Iraq. The criticism regarding civilian casualties was again dismissed by the U.S. military.

Iraq's northern sector, where the majority of Kurds lived, has long been guarded by the U.S., acquired during the invasion of Iraq in 1991. In return for relative safety, the Kurds worked with the CIA and the U.S. military to conduct operations against Saddam Hussein throughout the 90s.

Two Kurdish leaders led separate rival factions. Massoud Barzani was in charge of the Kurdistan Democratic Party, while Jalal Talabani led the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Talabani was appointed as president of Iraq less than two years after U.S. forces invaded in 2003.

Recent history

The massacre sustained by the Kurds in 1988 when Saddam used chemical weapons — procured from the United States — to gas a village of innocent victims, was reminiscent of yet another time the Kurds sustained a brutal massacre at the hands of Saddam Hussein.

In the 1974 uprising of the Kurds against Saddam's Kurdish Autonomy Law, it was the Iranian Shah's support — at the behest of Henry Kissinger — that helped the Kurds. But after Saddam agreed to sign the Algiers accord with the Shah — moving the boundary between the two nations giving Iran half of a river necessary for transporting oil to the Persian Gulf — Iranian support for the Kurds was withdrawn and they were left to suffer their fate.

Turkey dilemma

Today, if the U.S. is successful in manipulating political forces in Iraq into changing the Oil Constitution to favor local geographic controls, the Kurds may benefit from economic opportunities such control brings — perhaps even a Kurdish state, which will likely invoke war from Turkey.

Turkey is not pleased with the development of greater autonomy for the Kurds in Iraq. Last weekend, the Turkish military shelled areas of northern Iraq. Most Americans have no idea why, nor do they care.

But Americans should be concerned. Because the reality is that it is the involvement of the U.S. in the internal affairs of both Iran and Iraq since the end of WWII that has helped to create the current state of affairs that most Americans allege is simply due to a mentality of religious fanaticism.

America has no business in the Middle East. And with each passing day, our military presence causes the complexities of the issues in the region to worsen. In the end, those who side with America will find that such an alliance is temporary and dangerous. Just ask the Kurds.

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To Turkish junta please take this advice:
If your IQ hits 60 sell!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To Turkish junta: They said your were an asset to Turkey..BUT THEY ARE OFF BY TWO LETTERS....

"Dear turk let me be clear with you, Turks and Turkey has many enemies, as you know, Armenian,Grece,Kurdistan, we will hunting you all over the world..."

what is the difference between you and Usame Bin Laden? also Laden is hunting americans all over the world? america has many enemies too.i rahter suggest you prepare a video and publish on the internet

you poor little guy :) do not worry have lots of Armenian,Greek,Kurdish friends in Turkey and elsewhere.Democracy and human
rights are not for you .you need civilisation.

No need to say moreabout you? with your words you are a big terrorist.shame on you

For centuries Kurdish people were part of Turkish history like the others.We have many Kurdish people living in Turkey in peace more educated more having high-life standards than other Kurdish people in middle-east.

"They have terrorized, killed, massacred many civilians. Just read reports from Amnesty Internation and Human rights watch"
where are those reports? i just wonder and want to read

"You can dream about Kirkuk but can never have it. This princess is the heart of Kurdistan"
in the history Kerkuk(kirkuk) was a part of Ottoman Empire.so we donot need to dream about?

But you cannot claim that Kerkuk(Kirkuk) is a part of Kurdistan.Kerkuk(kirkuk) is a part of Iraqi.Many Turkmen(Turcomans) and Arabs live there.You cannot legallize your "dream" moving people to Kerkuk(kirkuk) or playing with population records.
do you have any idea about what Turkmen(Turcomans) and Arabs think about current situation in Kerkuk(kirkuk) ?

When Saddam husein was attacking and killing Northern Kurdish People, Turkish Army helped Kurdish People not you or kind of fanatics.Do you know that Turkey government constructed many houses,apartments in Diyarbakir,Bingol etc for the escaping people from Saddam Huseyin.Do you know that Turkey government helped Mr Talabani and Barzani?

Turkey has still army forces in northern Iraqi.do you know that? Also Norhern Kurdish People(Talabani and Barzani) are aware of this.Turkey could reserve more than existing if wished.But Turkey respected to unity of Iraqi and still.Turkey doesnot have dreams like you fanatics.But Turkey doesnot let you make Kerkuk(kirkuk) "princess" :) because of the rights of Turkmen(Turcomans) and also donot worry whole iraqi will not you make small dreams.Policatically it is impossible.

Ahmad zand what about the other maps of europe, europe union, when they showed Kurdistan and kurdish population as europe, they never apologized, they did with purpose, they arent stupid as you are.....

Turkish goverment should pay all armenians and kurdish famile whom their relatives died during the genocide.
Dear turk let me be clear with you, Turks and Turkey has many enemies, as you know, Armenian,Grece,Kurdistan, we will hunting you all over the world...

"the Turkish military has made use of chemical weapons against the Kurds and PKK lately"

where are these funny reports? are you nuts? what kind of dreampower do you have ? if you intend to make propaganda please be reasonable :) How many do Kurdish originated people live in Turkey? do you know that?

lesson 1 for you: PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION and Kurds are totally different.

you should have known more about Turkey cause you make propaganda here.you should know or guess the number of Kurdish People in Turkey and these people do not support PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

lesson 2:there has not been Turkish Kurdistan in the history and will not exist in the future.
This is the propaganda of PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
by the way do you support PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION?

let's talk about reality.in italy in NATO school a professor shows a map which claims "Turkish Kurdistan".All the NATO members including USA and EU apologized Turkey and warned the professor and made sure that this would not happen in the future.

first of all we won`t pay others actions no matter who they are? If pkk counting as terrorist then turkish army and ledears are the bigest terrirost in the world, why ? we all know why! how many years and decades has turkish b astards killed innocent kurdish people for nothing execpt being kurds.Pkk should never leave Iraq and they won`t no matter how Turkey struggle. All you turks wants is killing innocent people, you think you will be able to do that what you have done in the pass, forgett about that not even dream about that, What I can assure you is that one daye your leaders and special Tanso Chiller will be hanged by kurds and honest turks in the capital of Turkey.

Hasan can from Turkey, you know here in the U.S. of America, we have a saying!
"Your a dead Turkey at the farm"
You want to kill Kurds in General because they want their independance? How stupid can you get man, Haven't your country done enough killing?
so many genocides, the Assyrians, the Armenians, the Palestinians, the Cypriots, the Greeks, and even yes the Syrians. and more.
Do you think,(not that you do think!) that people are going to let this go? If they do, then they deserve everything their ancestors got, but i don't see them letting it go and saying lets bury the past!! No body forgets thats god's LAW!!!God created this people and the Turks destroyd God's creation, Thus soon you will face God's wrath for your sins and your people will burn in Hell!

We have been nice to your people but now thats over, the senate and the congress will soon realize that it doesn"t pay to keep you back stabers as friends.
Remember the Earth quake that put a city under the water, Remember the floods and drouts,
don't think its over.
It's not over until we tell you it's over.

Turkey will split in fours, and if i was U, i would stay close to the sea.
If the Kurds have gone nuclear what would you do?

Behind the Turkey-Kurdish Conflict

SearchWarp.com - By Stephen John Morgan

The Kurds are an ancient people tracing their roots back to 3000 B.C. With over 40 million Kurds estimated to be spread out in a arc of territory stretching from Syria across Turkey and Iran, they are considered to be the world’s largest ethnic group without their own homeland.

At the end of the 1 st World War their territories fell victim to the redrawing of the map of the Middle East leaving them dived and stateless. They have survived because of their national pride and culture, which, despite differences in linguistic dialects, allow them to share a common language, folklore, music and festivals distinct from their Arabic, Persian and Turkish oppressors.

For the last century they have resisted all attempts to viciously suppress their identity from banning of their language and the right to hold Kurdish names as in Turkey, who until recently refused to even recognize their existence as distinct form other Turks. And worse still when they became the victims of mass killings during the regime of Saddam Hussein.

But times are changing and largely because of the relative peace and prosperity enjoyed in the autonomous region of northern Iraqi Kurdistan. Ever since 1991, they have enjoyed a level of self-government through the British and US no-fly zone and since the fall of Hussein the country has flourished economically, politically and culturally. Although key participants in the Iraqi government, they already enjoy virtual independence. They have control over their own substantial oil fields and the Army and Police are made up overwhelmingly of former Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga guerrillas – ferocious mountain fighters over whom the central Iraqi government and military has no control or capacity to challenge and whom the US has had to depend on for cooperation in sustaining peace in the North.

Turkey charges that the Iraqi Kurdish authorisations are harbouring and allowing thousands PKK guerrillas (Turkish separatist Kurdish insurgents) on their territory from which they are able to find safe haven, raise finances, take advantage of the possibilities to organize and to instigate cross border raids on Turkey across the Candil mountains which separate the two countries. Iran has also made similar complaints against the Pejak group of Iranian Kurdish guerrillas who are attacking Iran and Iran has already retaliated with incursions and attacks on their bases. (The Pejak group although formerly a terrorist organisation is supported by the CIA as part of US efforts to de-stabilize the Iranian regime.)

In Eastern Turkey some 37,000 people have died in the conflict over Kurdish rights. The PKK has recently increased its attacks on Turkish troops and civilian, the deaths of some 13 troops and 30 civilians recently has outraged Turkish public opinion and added to pressure for Turkish incursions and/or an all-out invasion of Iraqi Kurdistan. Last weeks vote by the Turkish parliament to give permission to the Turkish army to invade or take any measures necessary against the threat from the PKK has stemmed from theses recent events.

However, the underlying reasons for Turkey considering an invasion lie in the pole of attraction, which Kurdish Iraq acts as for the 15 million Kurds within Turkey’s borders. Iraqi Kurdistan attacks as a magnet drawing together the Kurdish Diaspora and offering hope of a unified independent homeland for all Kurds. This is literally fuelled by the enormous oil wealth Iraqi Kurdistan posses and which makes a homeland a feasible economic, social and cultural potentiality.

Although the present Kurdish leaders proclaim that they are content with autonomy the situation remains extremely volatile. Especially because of the internal issue of Kirkuk, a city on the frontier of Kurdistan which is largely Kurdish, but with large Sunni and Shiite and Turkoman minorities. The city has huge oil wealth and it will be subject to a referendum before the end of the year, after which it is likely that the Kurds will proclaim it their capital instead of Erbil. The inter-communal violence that may ensue is added to the threat of Turkish incursions. Turkey is vehemently opposed to Kirkuk becoming formerly Kurd as it would be seen as the final jewel in the oil crown that could lay the basis for overall independence for Iraqi Kurdistan. This will especially be the case if the situation in Southern Iraq and the country as a whole continues to deteriorate and the government is trapped in stalemate, especially over the distribution of oil wealth nationally.

An imminent invasion is not ruled out after the parliamentary vote (some 507 to 19 in favour), but the coming winter snows across the mountain ranges makes it a less viable option than Spring time. It is probable that incursions and attacks by Special Forces will be stepped up with the use of aerial bombardment at the moment. An all-out invasion would not necessarily be successful and the Turkish troops could find themselves as bogged down as US forces are I the rest of Iraq.

Thousands of PKK guerrillas are said to be massing in the mountains to counter-attack and if the Turks were to invade they could find themselves in combat with formidable and well-armed troops of the former Iraqi Peshmerga guerrillas, with the official forces of the Iraqi army and police, which they control, engaging in combat with the Turks. Mayhem would follow and the Iraqi government and US forces would be helpless to intervene. Furthermore, such an invasion, which is openly supported by Syria, could embolden both Syrian and, especially Iranian forces, to likewise invade, in order to carve up the area between them - de facto-redrawing the map of the centre of the Middle East.

The US and Iraq have vehemently opposed any moves and have tried vainly to promise to somehow clamp down on the PKK activities in the region. But these are viewed as hollow promises, without the means or will to back them up and measures which are already to little and too late. To make matters worse the recent vote in the Congress to name the mass murder of Armenians by Turks in 1915 an act of genocide has further infuriated Turkish sentiments and alienation from the US. This could result in the closure of vital air roots that supply some 70% of the US war effort in Iraq, creating a logistical disaster for the US.

The Kurdish issue will not be waved away by some magic wand of diplomacy. War is inevitable at some point in the near future. But fighting the proud and aspiring Kurds may prove to be an even greater debacle for the Turks and their neighbours than even Iraq is for the US.

I am against the violence. I do not condone it. But the preamble of the constitution of the greatest on earth states that when freedom is denied it is not only your duty but your right to fight the evil. There sew more devilis institutions than than the criminal fascist miltary ganh of Turkey. Turks & Kurds are brither & neighbors. But the Turkish miltary gang just wants Kurdistan's destruction.

The real terrorists are the Turkish criminal gang known as Turkish military junta. They have terrorized, killed, massacred many civilians. Just read reports from Amnesty Internation and Human rights watch. Then you know the ruthlessness of the thugs that wear miltary uniform in Turkey. You can dream about Kirkuk but can never have it. This princess is the heart of Kurdistan and will never be given away to the frongs of the Turkish miltary junta.

That Kurd Terrorist Organisation killed 50.000 Turks in 25 years. If that terrorists killed American people, what do you thik?

to RACHEL

Dear Rachel you hae said that "Kurds who are among the most tolerant of ethnic groups in the Middle East".

Kurdish terrorists killed 30.000 people in Turkey and USA, EU and UN declaired PKK as a terrorist gruop and N.Iraqi kurds are supporting them and you call them "TOLERANT"..??
Check you dictionary for the meaning of tolerance please.

i just can't keep myself from writing..:)
i read a kurd writing a poem.. (wooaaawww ;) )
i have one for you too :))))))))))

K illing innocent is your pass time activity,
U never care about humanity, u live insanity,
R acism is the drug that keeps you happy,
D evil is what you worship, oh what a pitty!
I am just watching you from top of a hill,
S atan is with you and you hail and kill,
T urks were send to earth to destroy the ill,
A nd protect the victims of your insane will,
N ever again you shall kill and u should chill!

:)))

LAST WEEK KURDISH TERRORISTS FIRED A BUS AND KILLED 14 PEOPLE INCLUDING 1 KID.. AND THEY WERE ALL KURDS WHO HAS REJECTED HELP TERRORRIST.

WHAT MORE DO YOU HAVE TO SAY?

YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU DESERVE.

-JUSTICE FOR ALL IS COMIND DOWN ON YOU, YOU ARE THE CHILDREN OF BABYLON AND EVEN THE CENTURIES PASS YOU CAN NOT CHANGE FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS-

I am reading all the lies here about Turkey. Someone can not fight against a lie because, a lier can make up 1000 stroies more. I read about Turkey using chemical weapons! sooooo youR lies can go that far.

WE DONT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST SO WE WONT TALK TO YOU ANYMORE. SEE YOU SOON IN KERKUK :)

TURKEY IS A CANDIDATE OF EU.
TO BE ABLE TO BE A CANDIDATE YOU HAVE TO HAVE 100% PERCENT FREEDOM AND HUMANRIGHTS.

SO TO THE LIERS HERE. ALL THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ARE LYING AND YOU TELL THE TRUTH THAT IN TURKEY THERE IS NO FREEDOM??

EU,USA,UN DECLAIRED THAT PKK IS TERRORIST AND KURDISTAN IS THE HAVEN FRO DRUGS/WEAPONS TRADE AND YOU SAY THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS LYING AND YOU KNOW THE TRUTH?

WAKE UP BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE WAKES YOU UP!

What is threatening Turkish National Security: Independent Kurdistan, Kirkuk, or Freedom?

By: Amed Demirhan
Feb 6, 2005

Turkish Politician, military leader and jingoistic media for years have been focused in Southern Kurdistan and Kirkuk issue in Iraq. Almost every word they use in this context is shameful and racist except they don’t have guts like Western countries racist openly stands for their primitive inhuman ideology. In fact despite using “Turkishness” as an identity they are biggest enemy of the Turks and every statement they make in regards to the Kurds they further divide Kurds and Turks and other ethnic groups. The Kemalist Republic from its foundation has declared Anatolian people as enemy of the state by calling them “Islamist = Irticaci”, declaring Kurds as separatist, strongly prohibiting Alavi religions practices, going as far forcing people to give up their traditional dress and way of life, and enforcing a perverted uniformity; in the name of modernity. Therefore the Kemalist state has never been representative of free will of people of Turkey and they don’t have legitimacy to speak on behalf of Turkish people. Let see if their claim makes any sense to any reasonable person?

The claim if Kurds in Southern Kurdistan (Iraqi Kurdistan) declare independent this will threaten Turkey’s national security: How come a newly independent country with five – six million population will threaten a country relatively developed and with 70 million population and member of NATO? One wonders if any one could find any rational in this statement? OK, I can hear one will ask about what about Kurds in Northern Kurdistan? As long Turkey is not willing to share the state and let Kurds, other ethnic, and religious groups become stakeholders in the state they will be against state regardless what happened anywhere far or near. They will try to free themselves from oppression and tyranny. The fundamental fear here the freedom for Kurds on the other side of border and free Iraq.

Claim of Turkmen’s right in Kirkuk: No one can claim that Turkmen in Kirkuk or any where in Iraq has less rights now than under Saddam’s regime, like vast majority of Iraqi and Kurdistani Turkmen’s have more rights now than before. In fact Turkmen in Iraq has more rights than Turks in Turkey because unlike Turks in Turkey they have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of worship the way they choose. Turkmen never had this kind of freedom in their modern history like most Iraqis. Turkish government never defended Turkmen’s rights against Saddam’s oppression.

Pre Minister Recep Tayip Erdogan (RTE) in his 2/01/2005 statement in regard to Iraq stated: “…. we don’t approve domination of any ethnic groups over the other. We have stated that we don’t think its right for any religion sect to dominate other sects…” I couldn’t agree more with Mr. Pre Minister but he was talking about wrong country – Iraq, he should have said this for Turkey. In liberated Iraq every social, ethnic, cultural, religious, and political groups had chance to participate in free election despite terrorist threat. For example religious parties in Iraq did not have to pretend they are not religious like Mr. Pre Minister and his party, every ethnic groups in Iraq including Turkmen proudly displayed their ethnic heritage with out fear from the state and with out pretension to be something else. No Iraqi politician was jailed or prohibited for running for office because of his or her political, religious or ethnic background except those who committed crime during Saddams regime. Does any one could honorably claim this set of freedom exist in Turkey?

It is no wonder that Turkish government has been most critical government against Iraqi liberation and has been supporting and prorogating for the terrorist in central Iraq. In my knowledge Turkey is only Middle East country that have frequently organized protest demonstrations against Iraqi liberation and founded organizations openly collecting money for the terrorist in Iraq. The jingoist media is full of falls stories against American lead coalitions liberation forces and free Iraqi forces. Freedom is most powerful human desire and no government can stop that for too long. Free Iraq is already becoming a source of inspiration for people in the region and hopefully in near future people of Turkey will have the same freedom: The Alavi, Kurds, Yoruk, Turkmen, Arabs, Cherkez, Laz, Bahai, Jewish, Armenian and all other groups will be able freely express themselves, freely worship or not worship, and young Turkish women will be able proudly dress like their mothers or grand mothers if they choose so in Universities or work places. For the freedom loving people in Turkey and Kurdistan “freedom is forward marching” and it has reached to next door, listen you will hear it. Don’t let those oriental despots mislead you with their racism, and jingoism, we are going to be free, soon.

Amed Demirhan

e-mail: ameddemirhan@hotmail.com

Florida, USA
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To Hakan Demir

According to some reports, the Turkish military has made use of chemical weapons against the Kurds and PKK lately. An investigation is in full swing by the EU court of HRs. What Turkey did and doing in Turkish Kurdistan against the Kurds is ten times more than what Saddam did. The only disparity is they have not been disclosed yet.

When Saddam Huseyin attacked Kurdish people with chemical guns,who opened the borders? who helped those people? did Turkey query the etnic roots or language they speak while still struggling against PKK terrorism? do kurdish people in northern iraqi or kurdish fanatics forget? what kind of speeches are these? are you aware that you support terrorism cause usa and eu recognized PKK as a terrorist organisation? or shall all countries look at their own windows? let's call taliban as afganistan seperatist or al-quade as iraqi rebels instead terrorists? is iraqi a member of NATO? who supports NATO and its allies in the war against global terrorism? let's assume that in turkish newspapers would you like to read comments like al-quade or taliban supporting comments or article? do any of american people stand on reading? Turkey is not a middle-east country.You cannot change history or reality with voting or propaganda.Democracy should be well-uderstood and is not a gun for extremists or terrorist organizations.USA should think about Hamas elections.Words and terminology are easy to use but donot forget innocent people are died and pay this bill whatever you want to believe in.if you worry about killed people in New York,you should worry about the killed people in izmir,turkey or the nato soldiers in afganistan or turkish soldiers in Turkey.Addresses could change but method is the same terrorism.Unfortunately terrorism is not a local issue anymore.

Guys guys guys....

It is so simple;
Do not try to judge a country over which there has not been any research over Armenian issue especially when all turkish society says there is no genocide. You do have an option to say to them that they have been lying. In order to prove so hear out what Turkey had said: 'make an international panel of fair historians' call all the countries to open up their archives and run a decision then". Well it seems like a fair option. I truly believe that that is a very good suggestion.
I call a german genocide a real genocide as it was made clear in Nuremberg by all law authorities with all necessary evidence. This is the way to deal with these kind of issues. Not through bunch of politicians who are dying to get more votes by adressing to wishes what a minority wants to say out. By the way for your info The highest Armenian official guy regarding religion in Turkey "Patriarch of Turkish Armenians Mesrob Mutafyan II " truly accepts there was not such a case in the history as exagerated. By the way when he was called to USA for a conference he was not allowed to say his saying because of the heavy opposition of American Armenians.
Additionally, just suppose that 7000 armed american mexicans think that Texas should be an independent state and they start a war against America and kills regularly 15-20 american soldiers per two weeks by crossing border from Mexica to USA and get back after killngs. All Mexican central officials say that they are against these kind of actions but they cannot do anything to the camps of these people and cannot deliver those to you because they are from the same roots with different opinions.

I guess you got the clear picture.
In order to realize some plans one has to prove the world that their thinking is true witl all fair possible evidence.
With best regards

To eamad j mazouri:
Eamad, I don't know if you've kept with the news for the past 10 years, but in fact, PKK was virtually eliminated between 1999-2004. All the operations were made prior to 1999.
In 1999, we caught the leader of the terrorist organization PKK, Abdullah Ocalan with the help of CIA. (I appreciate and I give them my best regards for their help)For 5 years they didn't attack us and there were virtually very small number of terrorists left, so we didn't want to spend our energy on pursuing them, but improving the situation for Kurdish people.
Now they have many privileges which they didn't have before. And yes, there are many more to do, especially in socio-economical structure of the Kurdish region. That region is really poor.
But After the invasion of Iraq by the US, they've restarted setting attacks on Turkey. Since 2004, we are asking the Iraqi government, Kurdish Regional Government and USA to stop them attacking us.
In fact we understand that USA cannot do much by herself alone. And Iraqi government has no power outside the Green Zone in Baghdad. So the Kurdish Regional Government is the most responsible party here. If Kurdish Regional Government doesn't give them shelter, they can't attack Turkey from their soils. Although logic says that they're sheltered by their fellow Kurds there, we still want to differentiate Kurds and Terrorists. About 5000 Kurds are terrorists. The others not.
Think of one thing, Turkey spent 150 Billion Dollars during the height of the attacks, between 1984 and 1999 for security measures in the region.
Now Turkey has international debt of about the same amount. Since the end of attack in 1999 till now, the state and private investment to the South Eastern region, where Kurds live mostly tenfold the previous 80 years of the Republic.
As Terrorist organization PKK restarted its attacks on us using Iraq, (or if you prefer Kurdistan, specifically) its causing us harm because the investment will halt as a result of deteriorating security. As people are dying here, there's an intense pressure on both army and government to do something to stop it, so we are now at the brink of attacking Iraq, which will be bad for the Kurds there too.
Can you tell me, from all these I stated, is it better we spend all the money we will spend in the following years to build a wall between Iraq and us, or spend that money to people who need it more?
Is it better to cooperate with the Kurdish Regional Government and helping them more, such as providing them cheap electricity or shall we increase its price because we can't afford to subsidize it?
Is it better for Kurdish Regional Government to be a good neighbor and not let any attacks on us or shall we go there and do the cleaning, and during the course, as an inevitable outcome of any war around the world, clash with the people living there for the past couple millenia?
I think the best solution is KRG will just tell the PKK to pack up and go somewhere as far as possible. As I stated earlier, they even don't need to hand them over us. They can judge them if they want. They can contain them. They can even continue politics, as long as their hands aren't bloody.
That's my final post about the topic. I hope I'm clear enough.
By the way, we may be the "Barbarian Turks" but still we first prefer negotiation, before entering the China Shop.

To mr. Garak
Kurds were never " the Turks' willing executioners of the Armenians".Kurds were the helpless citizens of the Ottoman Empire that massacred Christian people.The only thing was that Kurds were Muslims and fell on the other side when the empire portrayed the whole thing as a war between muslims and infidels or rather it a massacre of the infidels (Gawir)the term Turkey used.Of course many Kurds got involved especially Hamidya Knights who Sultan Andulhamid set up from some Kurdish tribes for his own purposes, and they never represented the mass Kurdish people who were oppressed, denied and deprived of their rights.

None of the comments so far bears a shred of truth. The untold fact of the matter is hidden within the abject and ignoble exploitation of the West -infinitely greedy and totally inhumane systems of the West.

People of the world, wake up and do not kill one another. Each time a trigger is pulled, the West earns the price of that bullet plus one enemy's abilities diminised.

USA, UK, EU, Russia, China and Japan must come to their senses and forsee the future of this planet being screwed up.

To mr. Garak
Kurds were never " the Turks' willing executioners of the Armenians".Kurds were the helpless citizens of the Ottoman Empire that massacred Christian people.The only thing was that Kurds were Muslims and fell on the other side when the empire portrayed the whole thing as a war between muslims and infidels or rather it a massacre of the infidels (Gawir)the term Turkey used.Of course many Kurds got involved especially Hamidya Knights who Sultan Andulhamid set up from some Kurdish tribes for his own purposes, and they never represented the mass Kurdish people who were oppressed, denied and deprived of their rights.

To Mr. salih
If the issue is pkk, allow me to say this.
There are 4 Turkish military bases in Iraqi Kurdistan currently.What would call this cooperation or not.
Second to prove to you that this is not about pkk, Military option was exrcized in the 1990's with an ok from US and cooperation from Kurds. This action didn't achieve anything as it will accomplish anything now, especially if Turkey does it on her own and against everybody's objections.
A short while back Turkey's Chief of Staff and the Commander of Land Forces clearly stated that need to take counter measures to Kurdistan Regional Government.Their concern was not pkk, article 140 or Turkmans but the very rights Kurds have gained in Iraqi Kurdistan.This is what worries the Kurds most.

The evil among us, is not the people, but those that manipulate the people.
Turkish people are kind and good, at least the majority with the exception of the fanatical elements,like the grey wolves!
Now ther"s a bunch of manipulated bastards, that live in dark ages and operate in dark places, by beating up Kurds and others.
You can always tell who they are by the way they dress and by the way they look, Their faces are visibly crool, black rings around the eyes and when they turn to look at you, they bend their shoulders and turn their eyes first before the head!
These are the people that do the dirty work for the Goverment of Turkey, Then offcourse, the Goverment shows a little remorse, and then they go on planing for the next victums.
Interesting enough, there are no records of tortures by the Turkish Goverment and executions on record!!!!
I remember a young pregnant kurdish Girl in Instabul, getting beat up by a gang of Wolves and then she died. Because? she demonstrated for her rights!!!.
All this in the presence of the TURKISH POLICE!!!
Which i may add, were looking at this and loving it. (Very Heroic right)!!!

Friends and enemys, please rise up to this attrocities and fanatical behavior by any country!
Friends and enemys, please wise up and understand that "Nationalism is an extension of tribulism"!!!

Friends and enemys, please learn how to communicate with the people of other races and relegions, and base your conversation on how to survive all together by understanding the basic fundamentals of existence.

Friends and enemys, the people are not the enemy! but the Goverments with the lies and misconceptions, manipulating the idiots, and only the Idiots to do their dirty work!!
Turkey"s history on human rights is nothing to be proud off.
As long as we can understand the basic fundamentals of existance then and only then
will we be able to save the planet, respect one another, distribute and contribute wealth to all humans living on this planet, and punish yes punish in absentia those who dared to fanatisize, manipulate, rob, kill, humanity.
This will soon start. Join!!!

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Buy this book Gaunt, David. Massacres, Resistance, Protectors: Muslim-Christian Relations in Eastern Anatolia During World War I .. This is a new book and it has a lot of evidence that the kurds together with the turks committed a brutal genocide against the Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syriacs. I lost 80 % of my relatives in the genocide, this is unforgivable! u turks and kurds must return our lands to us! You must give us billions of dollars for our suffering and last of all you must recognize the genocide! South-eastern Turkey is ASSYRIA! North of Iraq is ASSYRIA. North east of Syria is ASSYRIA and north west of Iran is ASSYRIA. Great Britain u promised us this land but instead u let us become victims of genocide again 1933 in Simele (Irak)! USA u let us down in Iraq and now our people will be extinct. We Assyrians have no friends we are worlds martyrs and still people deny our existence and deny the genocide. We have nothing my friends, why can’t u just recognize the genocide so we can continue our live? I hope that it will come better days for Assyria because in the Bible Isaiah 19:24 it’s written In that day shall Israel be the third to the Egyptian and the Assyrian: a blessing in the midst of the land, Which the Lord of hosts hath blessed, saying: Blessed be my people of Egypt, and the work of my hands to the Assyrian: but Israel is my inheritance. And we will not forget Luke 11:32 The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. We the Assyrians are the men of Nineve and we will condemn all of u who have persecuted and exterminated us. WE WILL NEVER FORGET SEYFO!

Buy this book Gaunt, David. Massacres, Resistance, Protectors: Muslim-Christian Relations in Eastern Anatolia During World War I .. This is a new book and it has a lot of evidence that the kurds together with the turks committed a brutal genocide against the Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syriacs. I lost 80 % of my relatives in the genocide, this is unforgivable! u turks and kurds must return our lands to us! You must give us billions of dollars for our suffering and last of all you must recognize the genocide! South-eastern Turkey is ASSYRIA! North of Iraq is ASSYRIA. North east of Syria is ASSYRIA and north west of Iran is ASSYRIA. Great Britain u promised us this land but instead u let us become victims of genocide again 1933 in Simele (Irak)! USA u let us down in Iraq and now our people will be extinct. We Assyrians have no friends we are worlds martyrs and still people deny our existence and deny the genocide. We have nothing my friends, why can’t u just recognize the genocide so we can continue our live? I hope that it will come better days for Assyria because in the Bible Isaiah 19:24 it’s written In that day shall Israel be the third to the Egyptian and the Assyrian: a blessing in the midst of the land, Which the Lord of hosts hath blessed, saying: Blessed be my people of Egypt, and the work of my hands to the Assyrian: but Israel is my inheritance. And we will not forget Luke 11:32 The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. We the Assyrians are the men of Nineve and we will condemn all of u who have persecuted and exterminated us. WE WILL NEVER FORGET SEYFO! The ASSYRIAN Genocide, the Armenian Genocide and the Pontic Greek Genocide 1915!

An olive branch from Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). Will it satisy the war monger generals in Ankara? War is bad for al including Turkey & Kurdistan:

KRG official statement

The Kurdistan Regional Government of Iraq (KRG) is concerned by the decision of the Turkish Parliament granting a one-year authorisation for the Turkish government to conduct military operations in the Kurdistan Region in Iraq against the Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK).

We appeal to our friend and neighbour Turkey to refrain from military action in Iraq. The KRG seeks no conflict with Turkey. We do not and will not allow our territory to be used by anyone to attack or undermine Turkey or any of our neighbours. We do not interfere in the internal affairs of Turkey, and we expect the same in return.

The KRG condemns the killing of innocent people in Turkey and does not believe that violence solves any problem. The KRG supports a political process to achieve a comprehensive political solution to the problem of the PKK, which has lasted for 28 years. This problem will not be solved solely through military means. Indeed, a Turkish military attack on the Kurdistan Region of Iraq would make the situation worse, complicating the prospects for a political solution in Turkey and threatening the fragile progress that is being made in Iraq.

The KRG considers good relations with Turkey a top priority. The Turkish people are our friends and neighbours with whom we have much in common. Turkish trade and investment have been instrumental in our region's economic growth. Any problems or disagreements between the KRG and Turkey should be solved through diplomacy and dialogue. The KRG welcomes direct dialogue with Ankara on all issues of common interest or concern, including the PKK. An incursion would be detrimental to all Iraq, to Turkey and the Middle East.

KRG

i looked through the report on kurdish rights abuses by turkey linked by someone here- but i didnt find any statistics in it.

there were no numbers- the only numbers were that out of 27,000 displaced kurds- only 12,000 received monetary compensation from the truksih government.

i imagine it is truly a monumental task to try and make a census of a displaced peoples.

if i had the information, mr barzani- id investigate that too

it makes me very sad to see a poster here saying WE WILL NEVER FORGET

i live in new york, and i see this unforgiving and vengeful nonsnense on bumper stickers and hear it out of the mouths of parrots as they send the brown kids in america off to killthe brown kids in iraq.

i see turks today that want to live in the present, and i dont know any armenians, but i let a kurdish man stay in my home for several months when he came to america, and he spoke 5 languages and was as gentle a man as possible- he even married my girlfriend and i know he just wants to live in the present.

as an american mongrel, it is hard for me to understand why someone would want to recapture land or wealth their grandparents had.

i love my tiny little apartment, work for it, and dont anticipate any entitlement one way or the other.

i also had very very wealthy grandparents and uncles, but it is not my wealth- i didnt work for it and i dont deserve it.

i also can empathize, but not actually experience the suffering of my parents or those before me, so i cant claim it as my own suffering- it is not.

i had the opportunity to destroy my mothers murderer and i chose to forgive instead, and ive forgotten that too.

(without which forgiveness is an empty gesture)

i dont see how all this remembering is serving anyone anywhere

maybe some should forget before they infect their children with their anger and concentrate on teaching them to love in the here and now

Aran

I have looked in many of those green or blue eyes...I they are and were my friends, we have so much in common.

But polemic such as the "Turkish junta parliament" is not going to cut it.

Erdogan is a devoit moslem and is only tolerated by the military. Gul the new president devoted a Moslem is also not liked by the turkish military. Combining the ruling the AKP party and the secular turlish military is plain out wrong.

The first commander stepped out of line not to shake Gul's wife hand because she wore a head scarf.

You are forgettin remember Socrates' words...You don't know...

On the eve of the war decision by Turkish junta's parliament, here is a poem on Kurdistan..the love of Kurds for Kurdistan from Abdulla Pashew

Wherever I see a mountain,
my heart beats faster..
because I believe that all the mountains of the world originate from my mountain,
Whenever I see a water spring
I drink from it slowly & respectfully
because I believe the source of all the world's waters comes from my water springs...
......
The eyes of European girl!!
be it blue or green ..I still love it
because from the greenest & bluest eyes
I see some darkness of a Kurdistan girl's eyes,.
Kurdistan,!!
'what are you...
like a cloud you cover my eyes..
you surround me from all sides...
When I think of you..
I see nothing: no God, no stars, no sun..
Either you, Kurdistan, are as big as universe..
or the Universe is as small as you

The current menace in the region which is the threat of Turkish miltary intervension in Kurdistan shows the insecurity of Turkish junta. They want to be the bully of neighberhood...Kurdistan wants peace but is prepared to defend against the criinal manuvers of a criminal junta. Kurdistan has defended itself against invaders..just look at the graveyards of the previous occupiers.....A great Kurdish poet, Abdulla Pashew once wrote anout the huge sacrifices of Kurdistan this way:
Unknown Soldier

When a delegation goes to a country
they lay wreath of flowers on the unknown soldier,
if tomorrow
a delegation comes to our country
and asks me where is the grave of unknown soldier?
I say Sir!
on the banks of any river,
on the rocks of any mountain,
under the tree of any garden,
on the benches of any mosque and any church
under any piece of any sky
over any piece of any land,
in this country of Kurdistan,
do not be scared
just lay your head down
and place your wreath....

My Turn:
With all due respect...to the honorable Azad and others out there...Dlear very cute what do you do for a living ?
America stands for Justice, Liberty and Freedom.
Hatemongers beware, Kharma will catch up to you some day.
I grew up with mostly German, but also turkish and kurdish friends.
As far as I know the city with the single most largest kurdish population is Istanbul and may be should also become a center of kurdish culture. One one "official"language" please such as should be my in opinion in English in the US.
Back to the issues, what means far into kurdish territory attacks...how deep into turkish territory is Istanbul, that is (i.e.) terrorist or rebel attacks, whatever semantic angle one prefers.

Very Important:
Not allowing kurds to speak kurdish and call themselves kurds was and is wrong. This is decided in now Ankara but administered (or often ignored) by local Gendarmerie and other local officials. The strong presence of kurds in the turkish parliament is the point that nobody should be overlooking.
I do not believe that the Turkish government is for sale !
They have showed that when the US-media blast/defamation one-liner:
"Turks will get the $ 26 billion payoff and let us attack their neighbor"
was mentioned one too many times, rubbed into their faces, and turned them against allowing the use of their border to enter Iraq.
Often non-muslim and other "outsiders" are often clueless when it comes to the Middle East, which I view as" Arrogant Ignorance" (AI) or should it be called "Ignorant Arrogance" (IA) ? After reading all the crap, I think there also many II the Ignorant Ignorants.
I am an agnostic moslem (?!?) that believes in the "Big Bang" and the "Sun and Sky" as the Gokturks (Skyturks) did.
A lot more than that, I believe in Evolutionary Biology (EB) & Anthropology (A), i.e. "Be good to thy neigbor" has biological and anthropological origins and whereas the AI-man or IA-man (and especially now the II-man) still thinks (feel, believes i.e. neurons flashing in his head) it was philosophical (said so by so called prohets or deities). Man is intrinsically an organic, bio-chemical (carbon-based) life form like any other. Logic, spirit and soul (lots of computing capacity in human brains, everybody is equipped with the best computer ever build) in humans developed as the brain grew increasingly in the last 5 millions years, and especially the development of language (more than in dogs or dolphins) in the last 200,000 years or so. Soul may be an elevation of that computing power into something we have no idea about. Living forms are probably all connected and everything is happening to everybody at the same time, Synchronicity enabled by the ever-present leftover neutrino flow from the "Big Bang"
Well History, it is way too overrated, we need it for education, but it mostly divides and tells us who killed who. We need lot more EB & A that IS what will unite us !
Where were we ? Turks (no longer) take on anybody without beig attacked, that was one of Ataturk's main principles. If the Congress wants to drag the turks into the mud with likes of Hitler and others, then the turks will humbly turn away and no longer be the same kind of friend of the US as they have been for about 100 years.
Kurdish friends, there needs be some serious soul searching here. Has anybody forgotten what happened when Barzani and Talabani were left to each other ?
Barzani called in Saddam for help. It's all about power in Kurdistan and anywhere in the world for that matter. Resolution 140 of annexing Kirkuk will not pass. The turks claim on top that all property papers were deliberately destroyed after 1918.
I am strong supporter of the US and Turkish army. If the politicians would have and would be listening to the Generals, we wouldn't be in this mess in the middle east.
Everybody pause for a moment...
Do you guys have any children ? What kind of life do you want for your children ?
Where are your children going to be and what are they going to be doing in 20 years from now ?
Tolerance, reconciliation, trade, socio-economic and educational collaboration is what is important.
Last words now.
1. I, just as Mr. Pamuk, believe on an open forum on the Armenian-Turkish issue, i.e. Enver Pasa's cruelties as well those by committed by Armenians and the Armenian-Russian provocation in the Eastern Provinces beginning in 1915, should be openly debated by historians. I think that Turkiye has more to gain than to loose.
2. Turks do not need Europe nor the US. Turkey will be awaited in Central Asia by 100 (somebody said 300) millions turkic brothers and friends as far as Japan.
2. Read and think before you talk and put the most important words ever spoken by man clearly into your heads:
"I know that I don't know" (Sokrates)
For most people out there I can only saddened fail to notice:
"They don't know that they don't know" the antithesis of Sokrates.
And this, in my opinion, just about means:
"They think they know just about everything".
live easy (and angry) lives like many in America and many others surrounding Turkiye.
My grandmother, born 1897 in Istanbul, said this: "They don't know and they don't know that they don't know. You, my son, stay clear of them."
Shape up, cheer up and "Remember the Cruelties" (Voltaire)

P.S. I am considering to support of a new initiative for a resolution of genocide against the native American peoples of North America, followed by those against the native peoples of Central and South America.
On further thought we should consider voting in the UN assembly about the genocide against the Neanderthals by modern man. Although my gut feeling tells me that Neanderthals are everywhere and growing in numbers everyday.
Let's get hell back to the African rift valleys and leave the rest of the planet to life forms other than "Nacked Apes" !
I am signing up to colonize Mars. Live long and prosper.

It has been aptly said that Muslims never lose an opportunity to lose an opportunity. Turks have this golden opportunity to admit that they massacred 1.5 million Armenians for the simple reason that they were not Muslims and that they, the Turks, are sorry.

If the Turks apologize after admitting that they perpetrated a holocaust, then Muslims in general will boost their image.

I do not have any hope that Muslims will show any interest in improving their image.

Parlamenta Kurdistanê Li Derveyî Welat
Kurdistan Parliament in Exile

24 April 1996

To the members of the public

The division of Kurdistan has affected both the Armenian and the Assyrian people. Colonialists have not only pursued the policy of extermination against the Kurds and forced them into migration but had also turned the peoples against one another.

On 24 April 1915, the Ottoman Empire had taken the decision of massacre of the Armenian and Assyrian peoples. The ground for this massacre was prepared in advance. The Kurdish tribes involved in Hamidieh Cavalry took part in the Armenian massacre. Hundreds of thousands of Armenian and Assyrians were slaughtered and as many were forced to migrate during this massacre.

The Turkish state is also following the same policy today. While aggravating the Alevi and Sunni people against each other, the government is also promoting the village guard system thus setting the Kurds against one another.

Today is the 81st anniversary of the massacre of the both Armenian and Assyrian peoples.

Today we wish to share the pain and suffering of our peoples and strongly condemn the Turkish state and any force which is collaborating with it.

Zubeyir Aydar
Chair of the Executive Committee

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/Affirmation.275/current_category.5/affirmation_detail.html

Recognize the ASSYRIAN genocide 1915!

How could so many Assyrians disappear after 1915?

We assyrians will never forget the genocide! NEVER!

NEWS: NEWS: NEWS:

According to Pentagon, the US military has arrested 7 Turkish commandoes that were sent to Kurdistan to carry out an assassination plot against the Kurdish President ( Talabani).

dlear you are an empty headed fool.it is crazy people like you who do the most to hurt your own cause. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH YOU CRAZY CLOWN.

Turkey should learn a lesson from Israel in Southren Lebanon...becuase the population was not supportive of the invasion..Israel did not accomplsh its objective....A huge miltary intevension by Turkey in Kurdish aras will bring disaster to Turkey & Kurdistan...the terrain of the Kurdistan is ideal to make Kurdistan the graveyard of the Turkish junta...We still consider the Turks as our friends..The Turkish junta? they are ruthless people with evil designs...

PLEASE don't spread that kind of propaganda. We know everything. The so called assyrians you are talking about are bought and there for traitors to us.

Some assyrians? you nearly killed half our people in turkey and have been harrasing us in iraq and turkey ever since.

!!!LONG LIVE ASSYRIA!!!

Assyrians are our brothers..some Assyrians were killed by Kurds and some Kurds have been killed by Assyrians..In the glorious Kurdish September revolution there were Assyrians like Hurmez Malekk Chiko who died and watered the tree of liberty in Kurdistan........
In Southren Kurdistan Parliament there are 5 memners of Caldo-Assyrian people.....One minister in Baghdad is Assyrian on the list of Kurdistan...So please do not call Kurds Barbarians...There is good & bad among all nations...

The turks screamed "JIHAD, KILL THE CHRISTIANS" and the kurdish barbarians killed all christians they could get theyre hands on... Only god knows how many christians(armenians, greeks and assyrians)where killed during the Genoside!

You have fogotten the Assyrian people who also were killed by the Turkish Ottoman state and the Kurds. Many of my relatives got killed. Nearly 500 000 Assyrians got killed.

United States and the rest of the world have too recognize The Assyrian Genocide!

FREEDOM4ASSYRIA!

The war will benifit no one....Turkey should face the fact that there is a Kurdish state in Southren Kurdistan...talk to them not to the guys in Baghdad who have no influence outside the green zone..Kurds are not paper tigers..If Turkey attacks Kurdistan...there will be a fire ignited under the filthy presence of Turkish army...Kurdestan gorestaney duzmenana1!

all kurds here must know that kurds never had an indepency in history and will never have it until doomsday.

And now they DON'T want to be associated with the genocide by acting innicent.*

Hello everybody,

I've read the article. I am an Assyrian originally from Midyat which is located in the northwestern historical part of Assyria - now southeastern Turkey.

My grandpa's father got killed by a kurd during the genocide. Many of my relatives got killed. Nearly 500 000 Assyrians got killed. Indeed, the Turkish Ottoman state gave the order, but most of the executioners were Kurds.
Not only Armenians got killed, also Assyrians and Greeks too. By scholars the genocide is called
"The Armenian Hellenic Assyrian Genocide".

Those of my grandpa's family who survived moved to Qamishli (Assyrian city in north-eastern Syria) and later moved to Sweden where I live now.

The part of the Kurds in the genocide is unquestionable. Much of them killed. They wanted Assyria to be Kurdistan. If we look at the land areas now where Assyrians used to be majority we see now that they succeeded. And now they want to be associated with the genocide by acting innicent.

Please, visit the article of the Assyrian genocide in Wikipedia, there you can read more about the genocide and the acts of kurds during the genocide.

-POLITICALLY and LEGALLY Kurds are Turkish citizens, and have always been treated as equals. Turks and Kurds use the same courts, same schools, same government positions. They can rise to the highest offices in the army -supposedly arch-enemy of Kurds- become president (Turgut Özal), get elected and of course, vote freely. Just like armenians, greeks, jews etc.

Turkey maybe a limping democracy (and I've yet to see a marathon running one) but it is a democracy none-the-less. This means if you want to stand up for Kurdish rights, you get political not violently fanatical. There will be feet dragging, suffering and maybe jail-time for stupid reasons like "insulting Turkishness" but these are no barriers to a man who truly wants peaceful prosperity and cultural recognition for his people. Especially when one can vote freely. (Surely nobody is questioning the right of Kurds in Turkey to vote freely? If so, I suggest you do some research. I'll even be your host if you'd like to come and inspect for yourself.)

In fact if we take some of the figures in this forum seriously (I'm not saying they are wrong, I just don't have facts), 20 million Kurds are living as Turkish citizens. Total population of Turkey is estimated to be 70 million. By using democratic means, Kurds can get roughly %30 percent representation. Why resort to terrorism when you have this much political potential?

The simple answer is that Kurds don't resort to violence. The small number that does is at gunpoint of PKK. The majority of the Kurdish citizens of Turkey dislike PKK and what it is doing to the Kurds in Turkey, and they have more immediate concerns than enabling their kids to have Kurdish surnames. These concerns are mainly safety and putting food on the table. They know that it is the terrorism that is preventing these basic functions of government. I'm pretty sure that once these are met, they will vote for whoever is going to get them their cultural rights.

The reality of the matter is that currently there is a Kurdish party in parliament and also the ruling AKP also has numerous Kurdish representatives in parliament. It is this parliament with Kurdish represation which has voted to allow a cross-border operation into Iraq. If anybody is curius, the vote was 507-to-19. In sprit of fairness I have to say that the 19 opposing the motion was the Kurdish party.

Facts:
-Kurds are/were CULTURALLY oppressed in Turkey. Any sensible Turk (i'm disregarding nationalistic cliche-bearers and warmongering cursers) is willing to admit this and it should be remedied asap.

-ECONOMICALLY, they have been poor, but this was not intentional, but consequential to their geographic dispension. Turks in the same Kurdish populated regions have been equally poor.

In fact major government projects draining billions of dollars were established to encourage business and economy in these poor mainly Kurdish regions. These have failed grossly due to bureocracy, mismanagement, corruption. However the major contributor to the failure of these projects (intended to bring prosperity to the area with mainly Kurdish population) was PKK terrorism. Terrorism prevented kids from safely going to school, it made businesses shy away from the otherwise a good investment area.

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Anatolia_Project )

Eventually emerging terrorist acts brought on what i believe is every terrorist's purpose: the government called in the army to help the civil law enforcement because they couldn't respond to the terrorist threat. This in turn meant martial law, with the accompanying human-rights abuses. And since the populace was mainly Kurdish, the abused were also Kurdish, causing resentment among Kurds towards government. Surely anybody can appreciate the downward spiral from there on?

("In 1983, the Kurdish provinces were placed under martial law in response to the activities of the militant separarist Kurdistan Workers Party-PKK" - from Wikipedia article Kurdistan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan )

The end result was a terrorist organization's dream result: a guerilla war of huge sentimental exploitability. The David and Goliath image of a handfull of freedom fighters fighting desperately against an oppresive regime with a mammoth army. There are many accounts of violence on both sides, but I believe the state was always more restrained in using force than the terrorist. This is difficult to verify for both sides because of the sentimental scarring of witnesses. Nonetheless, any act of violence coming from whichever side helped the terrorists and the rift between Kurds and state widened.

This was the rational course of events. Now add to both sides of the conflict the cliches, racists, ultra-nationalists, feodal chiefs, fundemantalists, "Western manipulation", arms dealers, iran-iraq war, Saddam's atrocities against Iraqi Kurds. No wonder some of the people on this forum are confused & therefore resort to cursing or calling names or what-not.

PKK is only an excuse for Turkey to invade the Kurdistan of Iraq and to destroy their unique democratic system in the region; otherwise if Turks peruse to solve this issue, they can use their diplomatic efforts and bring the Issue of more than 25 millions Kurds in Turkey to the table rather than using military forces and killing Kurdish civilians and redoing more genocide.
It is not first time for Turkish military to attack Kurdistan of Iraq, however if they continue behave this way; all Kurds around the world will become PKK against them.

War is an evil thing...the so-called Turkish Parliament voted for war. Sad thing to do.....If Turkey starts this evil..Kurds have to finish it...the big result is brother killing brother....May God bless Kurdistan as it it prepaeres to face the challenge of confronting the evil and big Turkish army.......Turkish junta (their faces look so sad when I say see them on TV ..THEY LOOK LIKE THEY QUIT SMOKING!), beware..Kurdistan has more than oil..it also has many graveyards of the past invaders.

The Kurdish people regard the Turkish nation as brothers, friends, neighbors, relatice. But Not THE ENEMY. Turkish junta is making things worse by itching for adventures in Kurdistan. Kurdistan will be the graveyard of all those who dare to occupy this sacred land.

The so called "Steve"

Take of the mask and show your real turkish face. Your childish menatlity is still denying what the whole wolrd have recognised as brutal "genocide". Your bloody history is wellknown.

My Turn:
With all due respect...to the honorable Azad and others out there...
America stands for Justice, Liberty and Freedom.
Hatemongers beware, Kharma will catch up to you some day.
I grew up with mostly German, but also turkish and kurdish friends in Germany.
As far as I know the city with the single most largest kurdish population is Istanbul and may be should also become a center of kurdish culture. One one "official" language please such as should be my in opinion in English in the US.
Back to the issues, what means far into kurdish territory attacks...how deep into turkish territory is Istanbul, that is (i.e.) terrorist or rebel attacks, whatever semantic angle one prefers.

Very Important:
Not allowing kurds to speak kurdish and call themselves kurds was and is wrong. This is decided in now Ankara but administered (or ignored) by local Gendarmerie and other local officials. The strong presence of kurds in the turkish parliament is the point that nobody should be overlooking.
I do not believe that the Turkish government is for sale !
They have showed that when the US-media blast/defamation one-liner:
"Turks will get the $ 26 billion payoff and let us attack their neighbor"
was mentioned one too many times, rubbed into their faces, and turned them against allowing the use of their border to enter Iraq.
Often non-muslim and other "outsiders" are often clueless when it comes to the Middle East, which I view as" Arrogant Ignorance" (AI) or should it be called "Ignorant Arrogance" (IA) ?
I am an agnostic moslem (?!?) that believes in the "Big Bang" and the "Sun and Sky" as the Gokturks (Skyturks) did.
More than that I believe in Evolutionary Biology (EB) and Anthropology (A), i.e. "Be good to thy neigbor" has biological origins and whereas the AI-man or IA-man still thinks it was philosophical (said so by so by called prohets or deities). Man is intrinsically an organic, bio-chemical (carbon-based) life form like any other. Logic and spirit in humans developed as the brain grew increasingly in the last 5 millions years, and especially the development of language (more than in dogs or dolphins) in the last 200,000 years or so.
By the way (BTW), history is way overrated, we need it for education, but it mostly divides and tells us who killed who. We need lot more EB & A which IS what will unite us !
Where were we, Turks (no longer) take on anybody without beig attacked, that was one of Ataturk's main principles. If the Congress wants to drag the turks into the mud with likes of Hitler and others, then the turks will humbly turn away and no longer be the same kind of friend of the US as they have been for about 100 years.
Kurdish friends, there needs be some serious soul searching here. Has anybody forgotten what happened when Barzani and Talabani were left to each other ?
Barzani called in Saddam for help. It's all about power in Kurdistan and anywhere in the world for that matter.
I am strong supporter of the US and Turkish army. If the politicians would have and would be listening to the Generals, we wouldn't be in this mess in the middle east.
Everybody pause for a moment...
Do you guys have any children ? What kind of life do you want for your children ?
Where are your children going to be and what are they going to be doing in 20 years from now ?
Tolerance, reconciliation, trade, socio-economic and educational collaboration is what is important.
Last words now.
1. I, just as Mr. Pamuk believe the Armenian issue, i.e. Enver Pasa's Cruelties and Armenian-Russian provocation in the Eastern Provinces beginning in 1915, should be openly debated by historians. I think that Turkiye has more to gain than to loose.
2. Turks do not need Europe nor the US. Turkey will be awaited in Central Asia by 100 millions turkic brothers and friends as far as Japan.
2. Read and think before you talk and put the most important words ever spoken by man clearly into your head:
"I know that I don't know" (Sokrates)
For most people out there I can only saddened fail to notice:
"They don't know that they don't know" the antithesis of Sokrates.
And this, in my opinion, just about means:
"They think they know just about everything".
live easy (and angry) lives like many in America and many others surrounding Turkiye.
My grandmother, born 1897 in Istanbul, said this: "They don't know and they don't know that they don't know. You, my son, stay clear of them."
Shape up, cheer up and "Remember the Cruelties" (Voltaire)

Turkish junta thinks invading Kurdistan will be a weekend vacation....They should think again...violence is bad...war can only bring misery, tears, and destruction..there is is no glory in war...but if the criminal junta attacks Kurdistan....Kurdistan will be a graveyard for them.....

President Bush used one of the excusses for entering Iraq "the Kurdish genocide by Sadam".

It seems to me, that Turky's armed forces entering the Kurdistan nation, whether it is on the Turkish side (or so they claim) or any other side, will embarrasS the United States once again in the international arena. (UN )

As i analyze this more and more, i realize that Turkey is not on our side and i resent the fact that we poured billions of dollars to their modernization of their army!

If only taxpayers knew!

As far as blaiming the Kurds to kill Armenians (1915 If my memeory is correct)is true!, however they promised the Kurds Independance and a nation of their own. Not to mention TURKISH guns on their BACKS.

This is why History must be written as close to the truth as posible, so we can relate to the facts of that time and act accordingly, as responsible human beings can be.

THIS IS ANOTHER GENOCIDE THAT CAN BE PREVENTED, ARE WE CAPABLE OF STOPPING THIS? OR USELESS?

the TURKISH parliment has approved to go ahead with enterin northern iraq just 20 minutes ago. now who is gonna save your pkk militans? iam askin pro pkk people here what are you going to do to save n.iraq?it is very easy to talk from internet and from thousands kilometres away from pkk camps for you guys, because your bottom is safe.but people up there with blood in their hands, time is come for the punishment,i saw last minutes of cryings by talabani,and barzani,and foreing minister of irak on tv begging for mercy,..we not even started to punish pkk and their bloodsuckers,look how much their scared and weak..but its tooooo late,they should have think before killing innocent kids,soldiers,villagers,pregnant womens ,teachers,doctors and others.. time to pay the price.

To the Honorable Azad:

With all due respect:

I grew up with turks and kurds as friends together in Germany.

As far as I know the city with the single largest kurdish population is Istanbul and may become a center of kurdish cultural activities.

Far into kurdish territory attacks...Well how deep into turkish territory is Istanbul (I mean terrorist or rebel attacks, whatever semantic angle you prefer...)

Not allowing kurds to speak kurdish and call themselves kurds was and is wrong. But these things are often decided in Ankara but by executed (or mostly ignored) by local Gendarmerie and other officials. The strong presence of kurds in the turkish parliament is the point that nobody should be overlooking.

The Turkish government is not for sale !

They have showed that when the US-media blast/defamation "Turks will get $ 26 billion payoff to let us attack their neighbors"

was mentioned one too many times and rubbed into their faces and turned them against allowing the use their border to enter Iraq.

Turks do take on anybody without beig attacked, that's one of Ataturks main principles. If the Congress wants to drag them into the mud (with likes of Hitler and others), then the turks will turn away and will no longer be the same kind of friend of the US as they have been for 100 years.

There should be some soul seraching and responsilibity here. Have you forgotten what happens when Barzani and Talabani are left to each other ?

Barzani called in Saddam for help. It's all about power in Kurdistan and anywhere in the world for that matter.

Tolerance, reconciliation, trade, economic and educationall collaboration is what is important. Do you guys have any children ?

What kind of life do you want for your children ? Everybody pause for a moment.
Where are children going to be and what are they going to doing in 20 years fron now ?

Last word now. Turks do not need Europe nor the US. Turkey will be awaited in Central Asia by 100 millions turkic brothers and friends as far as Japan.

Read and think before you talk. And put the most important words ever spoken by man clearly in your head:
"I know that that I don't know" (Sokrates)

Most of the people out there
"Don't know that they don't know" (antithesis of Sokrates).

This means, they think they know everything, live easy (and angry) lives like most of America and too many others.

Shape up, cheer up and "Remember the Cruelties" (Voltaire)

THE PARLIEMENT VOTED "GO" FOR ARMY TO ENTER N:IRAQ. AROUND 100 VOTERS WERE KURDISH. BUT ONLY 19 OF THEM REJECTED IT. :)

AS YOU SEE DREAMERS KURDS IN TURKEY ARE AGAINST PKK, UN, EU, USA AGAINS PKK... BUT ONLY FEW BLOGGERS HERE SUPPORT PKK..
IF U LOVE TERRORISM THAT MUCH, GO AND FACE THE TURKISH ARMY :)

Thats is fundentally mistaken View.Either Armenian have won nor Kurds have loos. This Perspective from Bakir ist unable to analyse the Situation and incompetent in seeing that this Matter ist good for Kurds when the Congress Recognise the Armenian Genocide, and condemne the Turks.Thats is a real big strategic Advantage for Kurds and no Body esle in this Situation, becuase thast would come to effect and force to Patronize and Defend the Kurds .Furthermore Kurds and not THE KURDS were involved bei this Genocide , many Kurds where in Pact with Armenian since 800 Year and where alongside against the Turks.The only Way out for Turks ist a kurdish State .This is not written on the Stars but on Earth and the Kurds are backed from USA and Europe.. Kurd Cohen

Invading Kurdistan by Turkey will not be a picnic..It will bring suffering & destruction to both nations of Turkey & Kurdistan. Time has come for Turkish junta to behave like human beings not be the trigger happy crazy generals!!! Think like Totgut Ozal..who was a great guy
Kurds & Turks are neighbors, friends, and relatives.

TO AMERICAONE

Turks have never been islamic in their history? So what makes u think we are now?
Turks are more secular than Americans!
If u want to get out of turkey and date with kurds, please be my guest! :))

Turkey becoming the next "Ayat -Allah" Iran in the region , and been nothing but a headache to USA .. enough is enough from Turkey .. we need to get out of Turkey asap

Barzani, in keeping with his extremely hostile policies toward Turkey, confirmed his shortsightedness by attempting to utilize PKK as a bargaining chip against Turkey. PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization in entire civilized world. In providing full support to PKK qualifies Barzani as a sponsor of terror, and he, being thus a terrorist and a killer of innocent himself, shall pay for it. Make no mistake about it. There's no pit deep enough to hide Barzani from judgement. What upsets me most is that innocent Kurdish folks in north of Iraq, who have no say under oppressive tyranny of Barzani, shall bear most of the burden while Barzani and his gang can at any time get on a plane and leave for the USA to freely spend the billions they plundered from Kurdish folks of Iraq. If he'd have any wisdom, he'd seek to improve lives of his folks, not endanger it by creating feud with ancient friends and brothers of Kurds, that is the Turks, not Americans.

The reaction in Turkey is never against our Kurdish brothers. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar. We are against agents of outside powers like Barzani, and PKK, who are disrupting the peace and seeking to create turmoil at a region where peace is needed most, in Iraq where people had suffered much already.

The bottom line is, we are losing our sons at the hands of those harbored and sponsored by Barzani, who is a sponsor of terror, a warmonger and a disrupter of peace. There's no running away from divine justice, as Barzani shall soon find out; sooner than he imagines.
Both might and mercy of us Turks is plenty and is available to those who seek to have whichever. It's up to the good Kurdish folks in north of Iraq to decide. Seek peace and you shall find sincere friends in us; seek war and you shall have it.

bozkurt:

Dude wake up and smell the coffee would ya. 6.5 million? that has to be the biggest joke ever. There are more than 20 million Kurds in Turkey. THAT IS A FACT.

I am a Kurd, and I actually want Turkey to invade Iraqi-Kurdistan.

You might wonder why?

well......it's simple. This wouldn't be the first incursion by the Turkish military. They have invaded Iraqi-Kurdistan many times before with no success. PKK doesn't have military bases, tanks or lines and lines of conveys. They're a mobile group based in the rigged mountains of Iraqi Kurdistan. Your tanks and mechanized divisions won't do squat against the PKK.

What happened in the past when Turkey invaded the PKK bases? they simply went away, waited for the Turkish military to cross back over to Turkey and returned again.

Military invasion will be condemned by the United States, the European Union and most of the world body. It will united all the Kurdish population to stand and retaliate against the Turkish militay. It will gear and extra boost for international recognition.......not to mention hit the back the Turkish military and sent them back over the border with a bloody nose.

At the end of the campaign, Turkey will lose.

Mark my words, it will happen.

All I have to say to Turkish government...

Don't sing..............bring it. Kurds no longer tremble in fear at the hands of regimes trying to destroy our heritage, it will only make our bid for national recognition stronger.

Some come on Turkey........what you waiting for?

Books writen by turks referred them as "mountain turks".

Mike,
u counted urself the kurds population in Turkey? noone lives with lies, and this site belongs an international researching foundations. THATS THE FACT, TOTAL KURDS POPULATİON İN TURKEY 6.5 MİLLİON

BozKurt

Books written by Turks would estimate them even under a million

Kurds say something and do something differnt.They say they want friendly relastionship with turkey and at the same time they support the PKK who are nothing but a terrorist group trying to destablize the situation in Turkey.If Kurds continue with this double handed and cotradictory policy,they need to accept responsibility for such policy.

here some says kurds population in Turkey 20 million the other says 25 million. if wanna learn the truth look please; http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=TRA

If you show solution to people they move to act. Now Turkey has a choice to make this terror end.And this action against terror wont be fail.There is a fact this operation will not be first time Turkish Armed Forcescross-border operation against PKK. There were 4 other cros-border operation. Let me give you the results of these operations.
-
First operation called 'Northern iraq'
5 september-15 october 1992
results 1551 killed in active operation and 1232 captured wounded.
22 Turkish soldier killed in active operation
finally result succesfull-

Second operation called 'celik 1'
20 march- 2 may 1994
in this operation 555 Terrorist were killed and 13 captured alive.
total turkish lost were 64 soldier

third operation called 'cekic'
12 May-7 july 1997
This operation was massive operation and results were massive as well.

2730 Member of PKK were killed by armed forces.
and 415 terrorist captured as wounded. in this operation 21 turkish civillians and 74 soldier were dead.
Result of this operation was clearly succesfull.This operation gaves Turks right to do second minor operation. that is following

Fourth operation called 'Şafak'
25 sept-15 oct 1997
865 terorist were dead and 37 captured.
24 soldier were killed in this operation and also 114 civillians were killed by PKK in during this operation.

total result of the these four major operations is 5,701 dead terorist. and 1,697 captured wounded.nobody can say these operations unsuccesful.USA should ask Turkish help to fight against al qaeda.What was the succes rate of USA fight against al queda after 9/11. Pls campare them.

There wasnt any operation in last 10 years. In these years head of PKK captured in Kenya by Turkish National Intelligence Organization.before he captured by service he went to Greece they protected him and reject to transfer. After grece he went to italy they rejected turkey as well. After that he went to syria then Kenya. Finally Captured in kenya.

Can somebody tell me why western countries helping the Terrorists. Turkey understands about terrorism and suffered from terror just like USA. Turkey dealing with this last 24 years.

And there was The Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) before PKK. They are not active anymore. Any maybe some of us can remember most of the ASALA operated in USA soils. Their first action was killing of Turkeys ambassodor en 1975 the ruling party of armania was declered that they are supporting ASALA. Grece supported ASALA as well. Turkish National Intelligence Organization killed the head of ASALA(Hagop Hagopian) in grece.

what was world most wanted terrorist leader doing in athens.nobody answered these questions.

Turkey is a free country like the 9/11 end up iraq Turkey has right to invade iraq for same reason.If USA dont want to stop terrorism in iraq. Turkish armed forces ready to help.Normally this was USA's job to clean that area of the terrorists but PKK is growing under USA invation. Turkey will end this.

If you show solution to people they move to act. Now Turkey has a choice to make this terror end.And this action against terror wont be fail.There is a fact this operation will not be first time Turkish Armed Forcescross-border operation against PKK. There were 4 other cros-border operation. Let me give you the results of these operations.
-
First operation called 'Northern iraq'
5 september-15 october 1992
results 1551 killed in active operation and 1232 captured wounded.
22 Turkish soldier killed in active operation
finally result succesfull-

Second operation called 'celik 1'
20 march- 2 may 1994
in this operation 555 Terrorist were killed and 13 captured alive.
total turkish lost were 64 soldier

third operation called 'cekic'
12 May-7 july 1997
This operation was massive operation and results were massive as well.

2730 Member of PKK were killed by armed forces.
and 415 terrorist captured as wounded. in this operation 21 turkish civillians and 74 soldier were dead.
Result of this operation was clearly succesfull.This operation gaves Turks right to do second minor operation. that is following

Fourth operation called 'Şafak'
25 sept-15 oct 1997
865 terorist were dead and 37 captured.
24 soldier were killed in this operation and also 114 civillians were killed by PKK in during this operation.

total result of the these four major operations is 5,701 dead terorist. and 1,697 captured wounded.nobody can say these operations unsuccesful.USA should ask Turkish help to fight against al qaeda.What was the succes rate of USA fight against al queda after 9/11. Pls campare them.

There wasnt any operation in last 10 years. In these years head of PKK captured in Kenya by Turkish National Intelligence Organization.before he captured by service he went to Greece they protected him and reject to transfer. After grece he went to italy they rejected turkey as well. After that he went to syria then Kenya. Finally Captured in kenya.

Can somebody tell me why western countries helping the Terrorists. Turkey understands about terrorism and suffered from terror just like USA. Turkey dealing with this last 24 years.

And there was The Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) before PKK. They are not active anymore. Any maybe some of us can remember most of the ASALA operated in USA soils. Their first action was killing of Turkeys ambassodor en 1975 the ruling party of armania was declered that they are supporting ASALA. Grece supported ASALA as well. Turkish National Intelligence Organization killed the head of ASALA(Hagop Hagopian) in grece.

what was world most wanted terrorist leader doing in athens.nobody answered these questions.

Turkey is a free country like the 9/11 end up iraq Turkey has right to invade iraq for same reason.If USA dont want to stop terrorism in iraq. Turkish armed forces ready to help.Normally this was USA's job to clean that area of the terrorists but PKK is growing under USA invation. Turkey will end this.

TO KAWA HEKKARY
A Rebel for freedom and terrorist

THIS IS A ONLINE NEWSPAPER NOT A TERRORIST PROPAGANDA PLACE

The Turkish political and nation actives, mixed every time between the reality and their old dream to back the bloody Otham empire.
But we’ll destroy all their dreams, if they mean killing innocent people, we will stop all the violations against human rights in Kurdistan and everywhere, and the Sun of freedom and Democracy will continue shining from Zagros mountain, where people first learnt to distinguish between good and evil through Zoratostrian philosophy.
From Medya was the firs step in the last ages, and from free Medya it is going on recently.
Freedom, Democracy, respect human rights for everybody.
KAWA HEKKARY
A Rebel for freedom

The Turkish political and nation actives, mixed every time between the reality and their old dream to back the bloody Otham empire.
But we’ll destroy all their dreams, if they mean killing innocent people, we will stop all the violations against human rights in Kurdistan and everywhere,don by Turkish government, and the Sun of freedom and Democracy will continue shining from Zagros mountain, where people first learnt to distinguish between good and evil through Zoratostrian philosophy.
From Medya was the firs step in the last ages, and from free Medya it is going on recently.
Freedom, Democracy, respect human rights for everybody.
KAWA HEKKARY
A Rebel for freedom

The Turkish political and nation active, mixed every time between the reality and their old dream to back the bloody Otham empire.
But we’ll destroy all their dreams, if they mean killing innocent people, we will stop all the violations against human rights in Kurdistan and everywhere, and the Sun of freedom and Democracy will continue shining from Zagros mountain, where people first learnt to distinguish between good and evil through Zoratostrian philosophy.
From Medya was the firs step in the last ages, and from free Medya it is going on recently.
Freedom, Democracy, respect human rights for everybody.
KAWA HEKKARY
A Rebel for freedom

Yonkers, New York
17 Oct 2007

It is true that this powerful Armenian lobby operating in the US has succeeded in getting a committee of the US House of Representatives to pass a Resolution condemning Turkey for its massacre of reportedly a million Armenians some 100 years ago during the twilight days of the Ottoman Empire.

Armenians can indeed claim this as a "victory"--but objectively only a very limited victory because the Resolution in question was gotten out of only a Committee of the House.

Now that Turkey has complained bitterly against this condemnatory Resolution, the chances of the full House even calendaring this Resolution for debate are fast waning.

Only more so because President Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and many Congressional leaders--both Repulicans and Democrats--have criticized the said Resolution as unfortunate.

But although Turkey has been terribly pissed off by this Resolution, that definitely is not the reason Turkey is seriously intending to get its military forces to cross the border into Kurdistan.

The real reason is that Turkey is now planning to go after those Kurdish rebels who have been such a pain in the neck of Turkey for their continued depredations inside Turkish territory, only to return to Kurdistan and seek refuge there.

Turkey has long waited for Kurdistan to rein in those Kurdish rebels. But Kurdistan has refused to do so for so long now. The impression it creates is that Kurdistan is in fact giving these Kurdish rebels protection and support.

Which is why Turkey has decided to plan to invade Kurdistan.

But it happens that Kurdistan is an integral part of the state of Iraq. If Turkey goes ahead anyway, it will be invading Iraq.

In the event, the question is: How will Iraq and its protector, the United States, respond?
MarPatalinjug@aol.com

Yonkers, New York
17 Oct 2007

It is true that this powerful Armenian lobby operating in the US has succeeded in getting a committee of the US House of Representatives to pass a Resolution condemning Turkey for its massacre of reportedly a million Armenians some 100 years ago during the twilight days of the Ottoman Empire.

Armenians can indeed claim this as a "victory"--but objectively only a very limited victory because the Resolution in question was gotten out of only a Committee of the House.

Now that Turkey has complained bitterly against this condemnatory Resolution, the chances of the full House even calendaring this Resolution for debate are fast waning.

Only more so because President Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and many Congressional leaders--both Repulicans and Democrats--have criticized the said Resolution as unfortunate.

But although Turkey has been terribly pissed off by this Resolution, that definitely is not the reason Turkey is seriously intending to get its military forces to cross the border into Kurdistan.

The real reason is that Turkey is now planning to go after those Kurdish rebels who have been such a pain in the neck of Turkey for their continued depredations inside Turkish territory, only to return to Kurdistan and seek refuge there.

Turkey has long waited for Kurdistan to rein in those Kurdish rebels. But Kurdistan has refused to do so for so long now. The impression it creates is that Kurdistan is in fact giving these Kurdish rebels protection and support.

Which is why Turkey has decided to plan to invade Kurdistan.

But it happens that Kurdistan is an integral part of the state of Iraq. If Turkey goes ahead anyway, it will be invading Iraq.

In the event, the question is: How will Iraq and its protector, the United States, respond?
MarPatalinjug@aol.com

Cant believe what I read in some comments: ALL DISTORTED, Lack of history... Really dont understand what these guys want from Turkey. Turkey has helped the Northern Iraq Kurds many times... On the other hand Turkey has a democracy and freedom of speech in every way. The Kurds in Turkey has been president, prime minister, head of military forces... at every point. I dont think that we inside Turkey have any problem with each other. The problem is imported from very far... and poor PKK is just a tool. A tool which will be used up to the end then thrown away. I think wise people can see this... Just remember the bombing in Ankara killing many people... All innocent people. I dont think a human can does such an activity. I believe in diplomacy definetely. But I also hate lies and distortions... Of course the Kurds have rights to say what they believe but only in peace not with killing people...

I have been reading comments on this particular forum for someday. What struck me as odd are not the views or contradictory ideas of the commentators but the shallowness of essence. Some claim themselves as all-knowing historians, Funny really. Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Iraqi and U.S of A....basics of solving a problem is first defining the problem, not on the surface like "PKK is a terrorist organization..." or not by going sideways "Turks are barbaric nations of far east, they are Mongols..." (Which does not bear a shred of truth)?
The problem, as I see, quite as often as it is the case, financial gains. Turkey spend app. 150 billion USD in 20 years for the very cause of PKK. On the other side, PKK must have spent some as well. Shall we say 1-10 of it? Now the question is how come, a terrorist labelled organization can raise funds amounting such sums? Who finances it? Don’t tell me all comes from charity who feels sympatric for their cause. Now it all started as a democratic movement for Kurds wishing more acknowledgment from the Turkish government. But then turned in to this. Turkish parliament hosts quite a number of ethnical Kurd members, even her presidency was held by such manner once. And nobody resent it as far as I know. So how many non Americans hold the presidency, or how many non British, non French hold the presidency of the country. I think Turkey illustrates more democratic, non-fascist way then most others. Sure she needs more works to be done, but at least she deserves the credit.
The former government’s reliance over south-east Turkey is another reason for this calamity. There are some provinces that have negative effect to national GDP (they spend and do not produce equal worth of goods). This causes some people to be delusional and join PKK, which probably promises lush green fields with wines flowing, pretty much like the recruitment rituals of Al-Q. Turkey, as a whole state, has to take responsibility and invest in the region. There are pioneers, nevertheless not enough.
On the other hand we have Northern Iraq, I am sorry I won’t call the place as some do as Kurdistan. The US Administration yet to divide it first! till then it is Northern Iraq. Sure a large number of Kurds living there. And lived for a long time. I remember it was Turkey who opened its borders, who provided much needed humanitarian relief for the Kurds who were outcasted by Saddam during the First Gulf War years-bearing in mind the economical situation of Turkey that time; it shouldn’t be an easy job. So saying Turkey want to slain Kurds and all is a bit of harsh and far from reality. Again a bit of history, who is a TURK? That is the question...the scholars agree that any nation speaking Turkish is Turk. There is no ethnicity, there are no characteristics, and it is a mixture of many...sounds very much like US of A to me. However USA managed to bring the good out of this, Turkey couldn’t do it yet. Because they are inapt? No the reason is the land is old, especially Middle east; you can not convert a history so easily. However many Kurds live in modern Turkey with no denying their past, no denying their roots and saying proudly "I am a Kurdish Turk" like many Jews in Turkey or yet many Armenians, many Greeks.... Is it not what we all look for? To work for the common good, to join efforts for a better future, for our peace...Turks are barbaric nations!! What a saying, reminds me the Conan :)…My dear before claming such things dig more books...Turks has a history of 3 millennia, just like the Kurds...my dear fellows, you can have your own reasons for hating, loving Kurds or Turks, but the two group lived and fought a common past and I am sure you they will do the same again.

I CAN SEE THE PANIC OF PKK GROUPS HERE ON THE WEB:) THEY WRITE THEY DEFEND SO MANY NONSENSE ISSUES, THEY'RE ATTACKING ANYTHING ABOUT TURKS. HOW SAD THAT THROUGH OUT THE CENTURIES YOU WERE ALWAYS THE SAME. WEST USED YOU, YOU OBEYED. WHAT DID YOU GET AFTER ALL THOSE SUPPORT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TODAY? LOOK AROUND YOU AND WAKE UP TO SMELL THE COFFE. READ SOME HISTORY, NOT COMIC BOOKS ABOUT THE TURKS.

IS THIS THE FREEDOM THAT PKK WANTS FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS??? WATCH THE MOVIE AND DECIDE WHO NEEDS TO PAY THE PRICE NOW? WHY ALL OTHER KURDS ARE LIVING IN TURKIYE IN PEACE WITH EQUAL RIGHTS WITH EVERYONE WHO LIVES WITHIN THE SAME BORDERS. PKK CAN'T SEE THEY'RE DAMAGING THE KURDIS REPUTATION IN TURKIYE AS WELL AS IN THE WORLD. ONE DAY THE WORLD WILL SEE ALL THE KURDS AS TERRORISTS, IS THIS WHAT THEY WA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ybz0E022OAUNT?

TO KURDS:

Your PM Barzani and Talabani carried a Turkish passport in their pockets for years.

Barzani and Talabani helped Turks to fight against PKK in the past. Running from Saddam inthe 1st gulf war 100.000s of Kurds crossed the border and take refugee in Turkey..

And this is how you pay back???????

You have great ethical values.

To Kurds:
Goodbye DRUG MONEY
Goodbye to killing Turcomans and Christians
Goodbye to praise your ancestors who killed Armenians
Goodbye to making up stories and telling lied
Goodbye to invading Arab lands
Goodbye to prison people who wants democracy and liberty
Goodbye to sucking the oil of arabs

Dear Kurds,
I feel your enth. about fighting against Turkish Army, you have an appethatie to kill as many Turks as you can, this is in your blood.
But let me ask you this question, do you have the guts to stand up against the Turkish army, because it is not the same thing as killing innocent Armenians, Christian minorities, shooting at school busses in Turkey.

I hope you have the guts!
I really do!
:)) see you in Kerkuk in a moment when u least expect!

TO LANA:

You have asked me to get a reality check, because i have talked about drug trade in N.Iraq??
Well, EU,USA and UN has labeled PKK as a terrorist org. and INTERPOL has declared PKK as one of the biggest drug dealer of the world, even last months in FRENCH TV5 there was a documentary about this topic..so u ask me to get a reality check?

LANA ARE YOU SAYIN THAT USA, EU, UN, INTERPOL IS MISTAKEN AND YOU KNOW THE TRUTH?

ARE COMING AGAINST THE WRITEN STATEMENT OF USA,EU,UN,INTERPOL; DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT CIA,USA,INTERPOL,USA ARMY,UN,EU WAS A LIER??

LANA ARE YOU OK? :))))))))))))))))

and please keep in mind that the party defends the kurdish cause, namely DTP, accounts for the 5 percent of popular vote in turkey, even though the kurds in turkey accounts for more than 20 percent. this shows that even the kurds of turkey do not adopt the DTP's view.
on the other side of the story, the turkish nationalists could not get the support of the people in the last election even though the ground is very suitable due to the PKK's terrorist plots..

The Most Distinguish Characteristic of Modern Turkish Nationalism:

Denial of Reality, Xenophobia, Racism, and Anti-Semitism
By: Amed Demirhan

Mar 7, 2005

The people in Turkey from elementary school and on are indoctrinated with denial of historical realities and socio-ethnographical and cultural diversity in their country. All form of mass media daily reinforces this abnormality, and any one that questions this, will become subject of the witch-hunt. When, one listens to mainstream Turkish politician and “educated class” one wonders if they are from the plant of Earth or somewhere else? The recent debate in Turkey is a typical example of this abnormalities: the government foreign policy; the mass medias which hunts against writer Orhan Pamuk statement in regards to Armenian genocide and crime against Kurds, and the Ministry of environment and forest changing name of wild animals just to exclude words Kurdistan and Armenian, and the increase in Anti-Semitism are typical characteristics of modern Turkish nationalism. This type of nationalism as evidenced in many historical examples is harmful to every one including the nation it advocate for, therefore, standing against current Turkish nationalism is as important as standing against Nazism, Stalinism, Saddams’ Regime and Bathism. It is in the best interest of Turkish people to be liberated from this illness.

The government of Turkey still refuses to call Bath’sist (Sunni-Hanafi) and Islamic Fascist in central Iraq terrorist. In the past many time Turkey had strongly protested United States lead freedom forces victory in the city of Falluga and Tell Afar, in Iraq, but until now it never protested terrorist attacks against civilian in Iraq. At the same time it had characterized Israel’s shelve defense acts against terrorist Islam-I Jihad organization as state terrorism. Recently a Turkish news portal “Haber X (3/2/050) reported that about 400 Turks are fighting against the USA lead freedom forces in Iraq with terrorist leader Al-Zarkavi. It noted that these fighters are veterans from Bosnian war against Serbia. This indicates that Turkish government knows who are these “Turkish – Islamic” fighters because almost all of those fighters that went to Bosnia, Chechnya, and in the past to Afghanistan went via Turkish intelligence services. In addition, in March first of this year 200 Turkish “intellectuals”: journalists, professors, writers, and some “civic” organization representative visited Syria to show their solidarity with Syrian dictatorship against Western pressure and the United Nation request for Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon. Most of these 200 people are closely related to the state (its hard to call them civilian). March 1, is significant, it is the day Turkish Parliament under Turkish military pressure refused to let the USA lead forces go through Turkey and open a second front against Saddams regime. This indicate that Turkish regime is the most anti-Westernization and democratization of the Middle East because it sees freedom as a treat to its regime.

One may expect a Turkey that had received a negotiation date from European Union (EU) may act little better internally but looking in a recent debate it is doubtful and domestic policy like its foreign policy is anti-democratic. Last week one of the most famous Turkish writers Orhan Pamuk in an interview stated, that One million Armenian and 30,000 Kurds had been victim of the state (Turkish state). About 90% of media commentators started a lynching company against the author and political organization like infamous “Gray Wolfe” movement send death treat to the author. In fact Mr. Pamuk’s statement could have been subject of a serious debate and his statement is very questionable because more than one million Armenian and Assurian/Keldan have been killed and the number of Kurds have been killed since foundation of the Turkish republic is very high and millions were deported from their homes. This shows how much free debate is possible in Turkey that prepares to join to EU?

The republic of Turkey prohibited every thing that wasn’t Turkish in historic multinational and cultural diverse geography and named them in Turkish from beginning. Apparently they have forgotten few wild animals name like: “‘Vulpes Vulpes Kürdistanicum” (A fox in Kurdistan area) and “Ovis Armeniana” (wild sheep in old Armenia) in their scientific classification. The ministry of environment and forest acted right away on this discovery and changed their name to Turkish. (http://www.haberx.com 3/5/05). I wonder if any one knows or heard this kind of xenophobia, racism and hatred anywhere? Even Sheep and Foxes cannot be Armenian or Kurdistani? The modern Turkish nationalism is founded of the denial of reality and has been indoctrinating its population in this denial and hatred on any thing that is not Turkish. This is fundamental problem for every one who has to deal with Turkish regime. Despite every thing the official doctrine is totally bankrupted and regime is very weak. Change of regime is unavoidable in Turkey and its necessary.

Amed Demirhan

e-mail: ameddemirhan@hotmail.com

Florida, USA

KurdistanObserver.com

The Most Distinguish Characteristic of Modern Turkish Nationalism:

Denial of Reality, Xenophobia, Racism, and Anti-Semitism

By: Amed Demirhan

Mar 7, 2005

The people in Turkey from elementary school and on are indoctrinated with denial of historical realities and socio-ethnographical and cultural diversity in their country. All form of mass media daily reinforces this abnormality, and any one that questions this, will become subject of the witch-hunt. When, one listens to mainstream Turkish politician and “educated class” one wonders if they are from the plant of Earth or somewhere else? The recent debate in Turkey is a typical example of this abnormalities: the government foreign policy; the mass medias which hunts against writer Orhan Pamuk statement in regards to Armenian genocide and crime against Kurds, and the Ministry of environment and forest changing name of wild animals just to exclude words Kurdistan and Armenian, and the increase in Anti-Semitism are typical characteristics of modern Turkish nationalism. This type of nationalism as evidenced in many historical examples is harmful to every one including the nation it advocate for, therefore, standing against current Turkish nationalism is as important as standing against Nazism, Stalinism, Saddams’ Regime and Bathism. It is in the best interest of Turkish people to be liberated from this illness.

The government of Turkey still refuses to call Bath’sist (Sunni-Hanafi) and Islamic Fascist in central Iraq terrorist. In the past many time Turkey had strongly protested United States lead freedom forces victory in the city of Falluga and Tell Afar, in Iraq, but until now it never protested terrorist attacks against civilian in Iraq. At the same time it had characterized Israel’s shelve defense acts against terrorist Islam-I Jihad organization as state terrorism. Recently a Turkish news portal “Haber X (3/2/050) reported that about 400 Turks are fighting against the USA lead freedom forces in Iraq with terrorist leader Al-Zarkavi. It noted that these fighters are veterans from Bosnian war against Serbia. This indicates that Turkish government knows who are these “Turkish – Islamic” fighters because almost all of those fighters that went to Bosnia, Chechnya, and in the past to Afghanistan went via Turkish intelligence services. In addition, in March first of this year 200 Turkish “intellectuals”: journalists, professors, writers, and some “civic” organization representative visited Syria to show their solidarity with Syrian dictatorship against Western pressure and the United Nation request for Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon. Most of these 200 people are closely related to the state (its hard to call them civilian). March 1, is significant, it is the day Turkish Parliament under Turkish military pressure refused to let the USA lead forces go through Turkey and open a second front against Saddams regime. This indicate that Turkish regime is the most anti-Westernization and democratization of the Middle East because it sees freedom as a treat to its regime.

One may expect a Turkey that had received a negotiation date from European Union (EU) may act little better internally but looking in a recent debate it is doubtful and domestic policy like its foreign policy is anti-democratic. Last week one of the most famous Turkish writers Orhan Pamuk in an interview stated, that One million Armenian and 30,000 Kurds had been victim of the state (Turkish state). About 90% of media commentators started a lynching company against the author and political organization like infamous “Gray Wolfe” movement send death treat to the author. In fact Mr. Pamuk’s statement could have been subject of a serious debate and his statement is very questionable because more than one million Armenian and Assurian/Keldan have been killed and the number of Kurds have been killed since foundation of the Turkish republic is very high and millions were deported from their homes. This shows how much free debate is possible in Turkey that prepares to join to EU?

The republic of Turkey prohibited every thing that wasn’t Turkish in historic multinational and cultural diverse geography and named them in Turkish from beginning. Apparently they have forgotten few wild animals name like: “‘Vulpes Vulpes Kürdistanicum” (A fox in Kurdistan area) and “Ovis Armeniana” (wild sheep in old Armenia) in their scientific classification. The ministry of environment and forest acted right away on this discovery and changed their name to Turkish. (http://www.haberx.com 3/5/05). I wonder if any one knows or heard this kind of xenophobia, racism and hatred anywhere? Even Sheep and Foxes cannot be Armenian or Kurdistani? The modern Turkish nationalism is founded of the denial of reality and has been indoctrinating its population in this denial and hatred on any thing that is not Turkish. This is fundamental problem for every one who has to deal with Turkish regime. Despite every thing the official doctrine is totally bankrupted and regime is very weak. Change of regime is unavoidable in Turkey and its necessary.

Amed Demirhan

e-mail: ameddemirhan@hotmail.com

Florida, USA

KurdistanObserver.com

Turkey is a secular unified country with one language Turkish. There are many ethnic branches which remains and created the mosaic today. As the founder of Turkey Ataturk once said "be joyous to be Turk" he meant it from a citizen point not ethno based. The terror in Turkey that has been waged by the PKK is to destabilze Turkey and divide if possible. They are a marksist leninsist organization,almost to the point of fasizm. They are like mercernaries, not defending an ideal but more less serving needs for outside sources or influences that want to destabilze the region. Kurds are part of this mosaic and have intermarried with Turks for overa millenia. They are no language bans in Turkey.

I have read many comments on the article. And I have seen that kurdish fools are no less empty-headed than their turkish counterparts. nationalist sentiments inclines to fascisms in both sides. for being a turk, I always hated the comments accusing the other side. we, both turks and kurds, try to understand the other side and analyze the root-causes of the conflict. the age-old cliches wouldn't help us.
Again, the kurdish decry of the turkish people and their self-victimization is so naive.

I have read many comments on the article. And I have seen that kurdish fools are no less empty-headed than their turkish counterparts. nationalist sentiments inclines to fascisms in both sides. for being a turk, I always hated the comments accusing the other side. we, both turks and kurds, try to understand the other side and analyze the root-causes of the conflict. the age-old cliches wouldn't help us.
Again, the kurdish decry of the turkish people and their self-victimization is so naive. supposedly, turks have always repressed, oppressed and harassed the kurds. come on guys, you are not an innocent girl molested by a turk. it doesn't work that way.
we, the turks bear more responsibility than the kurds, so we should be more tolerable..

I have no idea which revisionist version of Kurdish history you people find relevant. The simple fact is that there was a Kurdistan a few thousand years before there ever was a "Turkey". Turkey, Iran and Iraq were state creatures created after World War I when the Ottomans fell. They all took the traditional Kurdish regions for themselves. The only reason Turkey is attacking Kurdistan today has nothing to do with the PKK but rather, the huge oil reserves located in Kirkuk. Let us call a spade a spade. When Turkey spends its' legislative time cancelling out historically- Kurdish named native plant and animal species and renaming them as Turkish, then their attempts at domination and extermination of Kurdish regional identity becomes abundantly clear. It is still illegal to write or speak in the Kurdish language in Turkey. Their increasingly religious-dominated Parliament threatens the secular Kurds who are among the most tolerant of ethnic groups in the Middle East.

It seems like the the newly emerging northern iraq called kurdish region seems its riding high on ethnic feodal nationalism or maybe to the point of fasizm under the wings of Barzani is playing the wrong cards.If it wasnt for Turkeys 15 yrs northern no fly zone program and also opening the doors to 400000 northern iraq kurds from saddam during irag war 1 the region would definetly be worst off. unfortunely barzani and its cohorts have been protecting ,funneling weapons, lojistics and who knows what else to the terorist org called PKK to continue their attack to murder Turkish soldiers and civilians. They claim they dont but everybody in the world does. Barzani and its cohorts should totally wipe clean their hands from such activity becuase it will backfire as it is now.

One of the greatest lessons all of Humanity learnt after world War II was and still is that no nation nor people shall ever again be subjected to "genocide" as the Jewish people or Nation.That was a recognition and atonement forpast sins and a new convenant with the Almighty God our Creatoor!!.Hence, the recognition of the "Armenian genocide" at the hands of the successors of the Islamic Caliphate(Ottoman Empire);against defenceless Armenian Christain citizens of the Ottoman Empire/Turkey;is just one example of what a new Islamic Caliphate is capable of.Ask the Asians and the Africans and they will educate you what the world willbe like if Godforbids another caliphate emerges in this nuclear age!!!.

Once again,the Iraqi/Kurdish Governments have proven to the world how incapable and incompetent they are in taking the destiny of their nation into their hands; and allow a few terrorists to blackmail their nation.Worst,it has reduced the the "Most pro-eminent and powerful nation on Earth, the USA; into insignificance, powerlessness and spectator rather than shaper of worldevents.What a pity!!!.
The question is when will the Iraqi nation grow up?. The honeymoon of liberation,free dollars and free protection will surely come to an end with the Bush administration.Then what,"another golden opportunity lost".So typical of the Arab Nation!!!

well.. i hvent any objection to be ounding of kurdistan.. condition that to be piss of from türkey..

well.. i hvent any objection to be ounding of kurdistan.. condition that to be piss of from türkey..

well.. i hvent any objection to be ounding of kurdistan.. condition that to be piss of from türkey..

The Kurds should be more inclusive of and less violent toward Assyrians (also known as the Christians of Iraq.)

I think Kurds should only be held responsible for their actions against Turkey and nothing more. Which to me means that Turkey should fix these thugs once and for all.

Peshmerga will remail a vital source for surviving Kurds from any threats. It is clear that a Greater Middle Eastern will be different after emerging the Kurdish cause in the region. I am 100% sure that those countries hosting Kurds will disintegrate including Turkey as Iraq has been passing through right now. Therefore, the Turkish government do their best at least to spare more time. The Turkish Prime Minister stated that PKK owning heavy weapons such as artillaries, tanks, and long range missiles, he doesn't mean the PKKs, however, he means the KRG Forces.

Dear friends,
Please visit the following pages:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeCbkY7wZTc&mode=related&search=
2. www.kdp.pp.se
3. www.puk.org
4. www.krg.org
5. www.roj.tv
6. www.www.kurdistanobserver.com

to;IHSAN mr ihsan,as i saidin my comments truth hurts. i would have feel like you if idid not know who is my parents.and thats gonna hurt you for rest of your life,you cant run away from it.because you cant take this sort of true comments to your thick head to undersatand.thats way for people like you , in your washed brain very hard to explain the past, you know if you dont understand then we going to do what we have to.that is wipe of the insects.FOR GOOD.and we will ..put this in your f#@king thick head..........

send the final solution an atomic bomb. we did to japan twice & we can do it again.

The US Congress must recognize the Kurdish genocide as well. During Turkish campaigns against Armenians, hunderds of Kurdish civilians had been murdered, thousands of villages had been leveled, and thousands had been displaced! Moreover, we the Kurds have been the victims of Sykes Picot demarcation in the modern history. If the congress pass the resolution, the US government have to mobilize the Incerlik Base into Kurdistan Region to support the mission inside Iraq, because it is obvious that the KRG and its people are the real US real partners in the region, they will remain as so and it supports the Kurds from any regional threats. The Turkish PM himself Mr. Recepp Teyyp Urduan had Publically stated once that we the Turks oppose a Kurdish state even in Argentina. It shows the mentality of their middle ages!

I would like to let my Kurdish friends know that Hassan Can Turk's opinion can not count. This is because he is a JASH (a name given to the mercenaries) by our beloved leader Mollah Mustefa Barzani. So, Hassan Jash could you tell me what the Turks did to the only Kurdish Politician that managed to rule the Turks (OZAL) (...Just so you know he got poisoned by your partners in crime.

How much did this dude pay his American lobbyists to write this tear-jerker for him? Did they register as foreign agents?

He says, "The Kurds are America's most loyal and trusted allies in pursuit of an independent, democratic and federal Iraq."

Yeah, right, They want their oil, they've had American air protection for 15 years, and the place is swarming with Israeli Mossad agents stirring up dissension so the turmoil continues. Money is being passed around in paper bags full of $100 bills.

The Kurds want to have it both ways: independence from the rest of Iraq (which will threaten not only Turkey, but Iran and Syria), and a tamed Turkey -- "our friends" -- who will leave them alone while the terrorists attack innocent Turks.

The sad truth is that if the Kurdish Regional Government of Iraq tries to control the PKK, the PKK terrorists will turn on it. So much for the "noninterference" claim. The Kurds in Iraq simply can't have it both ways.

Bill Clinton could not pass this resolution when he was President because he knew that it would harm him when having to deal with Iraq. So what is it that the current leaders in the Dem party do not get? Could it be common sense? Why is there no declaration of genocide in Darfur, how about Rowanda during Clinton's time. This all makes no sense! None of this makes any sense. Only those countries and the peoples of those countries can make declarations of their own history. Can you imagine if France decided to make the statement that people from Africa taken as slaves to the USA were enslaved and killed in the manner of genocide? That the proclamation would come out stating that the USA was a genocidal country that tortured and enslaved an independent people? This is horrible and wrong and if any USA citizen subscribes to this, they are initiating their own demise.

Bill Clinton could not pass this resolution when he was President because he knew that it would harm him when having to deal with Iraq. So what is it that the current leaders in the Dem party do not get? Could it be common sense? Why is there no declaration of genocide in Darfur, how about Rowanda during Clinton's time. This all makes no sense! None of this makes any sense. Only those countries and the peoples of those countries can make declarations of their own history. Can you imagine if France decided to make the statement that people from Africa taken as slaves to the USA were enslaved and killed in the manner of genocide? That the proclamation would come out stating that the USA was a genocidal country that tortured and enslaved an independent people? This is horrible and wrong and if any USA citizen subscribes to this, they are initiating their own demise.

After the Turkish Parliament voted to disallow American troops in Turkey for an Iraq war, Turkish prime minister Bulent Ecevit phoned President George W Bush:

“I had a dream about the United States” he said. “I could see the whole country, and over every building and home was a banner,” said Ecevit.

“What was on the banner?” asked President Bush.

“Long live Turkish-American friendship” answered the Turkish prime minister.

“I'm so glad you called” said President Bush. “I, too, had a dream. In my dream, I saw Turkey and it was more beautiful than ever; totally rebuilt with many tall, gleaming office buildings, large residential subdivisions with swimming pools in every yard; and over every building and home was a big, beautiful banner.”

“What did the banner say?” asked Mr. Ecevit.

“I don't know,” answered the president, “I can't read Armenian.”

The Turks are monsters, plain and simple. Not only because of the genocides they organized over the years, but because they still refuse to admit any of it. Too bad the Young Turks didn't have terrorism to use as a red herring like Turkey's current leaders do. And they learned that from the US.

This whole situation is a perfect illustration of how our moronic president has reduced our standing in the world. The world's only 'superpower', being pressured by, of all countries, Turkey.

How very very sad.

Salih is very wise and this applies to all vermin when says:

What you need to do is quite simple:
Instead of giving PKK shelter, drive them out. You don't even need to hand them over to Turkey. Drive them out, so that they can't attack from *your* soil to *our* soil. If attack to *our* soil comes from *your* soil, you put *your* soil under danger. They are as bad for the Kurds as for us.
We aren't so enthusiastic in entering Kurdistan. No, we really don't want. If we wanted, we'd enter with USA, in 2003. But we didn't want it. We still don't want it. Just don't push us too much. You know, if you corner a cat, it'll attack. We can't back anymore. Pretty simple. PKK is sheltered in Kurdistan. They are setting their attacks from Kurdistan. So, be a good neighbor and don't hide the vermin among you. They can turn to you in the future.

Whoever said Kurds and Armenians are friends? Trust me, I'm an Armenian and the Kurd was not our friend during the Genocide and certainly is not now. The Kurds helped the Turks take out their barbaric acts.

It is obvious that Turkey has reached the limits of its patience as far as the continued depredations and mayhem caused by those Kurdish rebels who routinely seek refuge in Kurdistan.

Kurdistan has failed miserably to rein in those Kurdish rebels, in spite of repeated complaints and representations made by Turkey.

Now the Turkish military, which is reported to wield considerable political power in Turkey, is urging their Parliament to authorize them to cross the border into Kurdistan and go after those Kurdish rebels.

It is possible that the Turkish Parliament is itself now in a mood to give the military the authority it seeks.

Once the Turkish military has this authority, we can expect a sizable military force to cross the border into Kurdistan without delay in search of those Kurdish rebels wherever they are.

This crossing of the border into Kurdistan is in reality an invasion by Turkey of another independent and sovereign state, Iraq. Although Kurdistan considers itself an "autonomous region," constitutionaly it is still very much a part of the national territory of Iraq.

In the event, will Iraqi military forces respond by repelling the Turkish invasion of Iraq, which constitutionally it is their duty to do?

And what will US forces in Iraq, now numbering some 160,000, under the command of Gen. David Petraeus, do in a clash of arms between Turkish and Iraqi forces?

Those US forces are now stuck in a quagmire in Iraq, and find themselves in the midst of a raging civil war between Sunnis and Shiites in which those US foces have no business mediating or interfering.

A Turkish invasion of Iraq can only prove another serious complication for those US forces.
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if the turks want peace inside Turkey and in their borders they must understand that they have to treat their people and other people to, kurds and turks alike, with respect and not to deny them their basic human rights.The solution to their problem will come by full democratisation and by talking and treating with dignity kurdish and other opressed minorities inside Turkey and not by killing them.if they want to be part of Europe and the civilised world they have to change tactics. Kurds do no attack turkish soldiers and their collaborators for fun.it is obvious that they took up arms because they saw no other way of achieving their freedom.to day they are called terrorists but tomorrow when they succeed in their goal will no doubt be called great patriots and freedom fighters.History is full of such examples. On the other hand Turkey despite recent small progress in demokratic reforms is still under the control of the generals and the army and as long this anomaly exist neither the turkish people nor the kurdish minority will enjoy real freedom and full civil libereties.The problem of turkey is a problem of an anachronistic regime and until that is solved it will continue to generate instability inside and outside turkey.

The liberal Democrats who pushed for the Armenian resolution hoped for two results: votes from the Armenian community and crippling the US effort in Iraq. Democrats are heavily invested in a US defeat there. There is an election next year and nothing matters more to Democrats than winning elections- even if the price is the defeat of their country. An unexpected consequence is what will happen to the Kurds. Nothing good will come from the resolution and much bad will.

Without Turkey no one can try to shape the Middle East.

From Revan to Tebriz to Kerkuk Turkey will protect its national interests.

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

The Armenian Genocide is not related to PKK, Turkey and Kurdish dilemma at all.

Matter of fact, the Kurds have always supported the Armenian cause. The friendship between the Kurds and Armenians is very strong. Both the Kurds and Armenia have been the victims of Turkish genocidal campaigns. Turkey must recognize the Armenian genocides and grant the 25 million Kurds their rights.

The only reason the turks want to go into Iraq is the Oil,Oil,OIl. The insurgency,terrorist deployment has been very minimum.What the turks did to their minorities over the years is really retribution,and its about time.I dont want to offend jerkiness(turkishness)but its long over due. .

The only reason the turks want to go into Iraq is the Oil,Oil,OIl. The insurgency,terrorist deployment has been very minimum.What the turks did to their minorities over the years is really retribution,and its about time.I dont want to offend jerkiness(turkishness)but its long over due. .

The only reason the turks want to go into Iraq is the Oil,Oil,OIl. The insurgency,terrorist deployment has been very minimum.What the turks did to their minorities over the years is really retribution,and its about time.I dont want to offend jerkiness(turkishness)but its long over due. .

The only reason the turks want to go into Iraq is the Oil,Oil,OIl. The insurgency,terrorist deployment has been very minimum.What the turks did to their minorities over the years is really retribution,and its about time.I dont want to offend jerkiness(turkishness)but its long over due. .

Dlear
Your post is silly nonsense, it belongs in the childrens playground where kids make up stories .

Dlear
Your post is silly nonsense, it belongs in the childrens playground where kids make up stories .

Dlear
Your post is silly nonsense, it belongs in the childrens playground where kids make up stories .

Washington Post,
Where did you find this Falan Mustafa Bakir?
What is the connection between Turkish possible military attack and voting of Armenian proposal?
Turkish parliament simlpy has to protect its citizens. Please watch some news and learn whats going on in Turkey! These PKK guys are coming from nothern Iraq, killing both civilians and soldiers, even Kurdish people who don't want to help them. They are placing landmines. This is simply terrorism. Even Kurdish Political Party(DTP) stands on the otherside, opposes their attacks.
Guys,
I have Kurdish friends. Most of them are not supporting PKK. We can't name those people killing innocent civilians as separatist, rebellion forces. They are making money from drug business,(drugs going all over Europe),guns, gas..
They are considered to be terrorist by USA and European Union. However they are still getting help form local governers. This is what makes it a necessity for Turkey to defend himself.

Washington Post,
Where did you find this Falan Mustafa Bakir?
What is the connection between Turkish possible military attack and voting of Armenian proposal?
Turkish parliament simlpy has to protect its citizens. Please watch some news and learn whats going on in Turkey! These PKK guys are coming from nothern Iraq, killing both civilians and soldiers, even Kurdish people who don't want to help them. They are placing landmines. This is simply terrorism. Even Kurdish Political Party(DTP) stands on the otherside, opposes their attacks.
Guys,
I have Kurdish friends. Most of them are not supporting PKK. We can't name those people killing innocent civilians as separatist, rebellion forces. They are making money from drug business,(drugs going all over Europe),guns, gas..
They are considered to be terrorist by USA and European Union. However they are still getting help form local governers. This is what makes it a necessity for Turkey to defend himself.

Washington Post,
Where did you find this Falan Mustafa Bakir?
What is the connection between Turkish possible military attack and voting of Armenian proposal?
Turkish parliament simlpy has to protect its citizens. Please watch some news and learn whats going on in Turkey! These PKK guys are coming from nothern Iraq, killing both civilians and soldiers, even Kurdish people who don't want to help them. They are placing landmines. This is simply terrorism. Even Kurdish Political Party(DTP) stands on the otherside, opposes their attacks.
Guys,
I have Kurdish friends. Most of them are not supporting PKK. We can't name those people killing innocent civilians as separatist, rebellion forces. They are making money from drug business,(drugs going all over Europe),guns, gas..
They are considered to be terrorist by USA and European Union. However they are still getting help form local governers. This is what makes it a necessity for Turkey to defend himself.

Listen guys as long as ignorant kurds (ie kurds who think they will end up with their own state) continue to call the nothern part of Iraq as 'southern kurdistan' then they will have Turkey breathing down there necks for ever and a day. So wise up, learn to live like normal civilized people who respect other countries sovereign integretory and stop taunting the hand that feeds you because if Turkey simply closes its border with Iraq then she can starve and suffocate you in no time at all.

Whilst violence of any sort is not right the Kurds have been driven to it, villages bulldozed away, their language banned in public till 1999! No recognition even though they have had a homeland there for thousands of years. Turkey is a cowardly bully!

Whilst violence of any sort is not right the Kurds have been driven to it, villages bulldozed away, their language banned in public till 1999! No recognition even though they have had a homeland there for thousands of years. Turkey is a cowardly bully!

Oh Mighty God!

I am just shocked of the mentality of some of the comment writers or so called.
They say Turkey is part of Europe, and I say " the phenomenon “European” is neither a matter of land or race, but a matter of mentality" You can’t become what your aren’t!

Some hate the Kurds, some tired of then, and some warns, each of you have a point of view, but in a civilized world you all are equal in terms of rights!

Dear Mr. America, were you a CIA agent stationed in Turkey for 10 years? How many Jan- dermas and MIT agents did you train in diverse methods of Killing unarmed 12 year old Kurdish boys, and those who sing for Kurdistan?

Dear Victoria we know the American friendship is interest based and shift with the sun as sun-flowers do all day round!

It is time to forget the western for granted mentality and think of the millions of innocent killed by these occupying state terrorist armies!
The equation of politics is a very unclear and difficult to understand by many, particularly simple people like Hasan Can who seems lacking the basics of writing and self respect before respecting others. Offending is not a character of Hasan alone, he has definitely served few days in the Army!
The Turkish army generals “ the western seculars” do not see the Kurds as human beings but a direct threat to the very existence of the Turkish state and Turkish-ness! One can wonder why!
Yes, there might be 300 million Turkish speaking people in the South Russian Republics. The History tells us how brutal Holaco and Jingiskan were, the Chin republic of China dynasty many thousand years ago build the famous Chinese wall to protect themselves from the Mongol invaders (Turks) from the north, read history.

The reality is that the American tax money is still spent on Turkish Black Hawk helicopters and military equipment and men like you and those who handed Mr. Ocalan to the MIT agents in Kenya with a blessing from White House, do what they are told without questioning!

The Kurds have survived many Holaco and Jingiskans and will survive this round too, but what is the next! There are no winners in a war! May be one party suffers more causalities or destructions, but will rise again. Ataturk failed to assimilate the 20+ million Kurds in Northern Kurdistan, so would do all his successors! No one would ever succeed to kneel the Kurds! Not when the national awareness of the North Kurds has broken the barriers of the Ataturk assimilation laws.

The PKK was declared as terrorist not for political reasons, not for actions. How many airbuses have blown up in the air? How many ministers and ambassadors have they killed? How many planes did they crush into the twin towers? Despite they have been deceived by everyone. If the would have been terrorist they would have joined Arms with enemies of US and West, but they have respect for those who do not respect them!!! What if they join arms with AQ? They have repeatedly declared cease fire in the past, but the arrogant Turks ignored their call for peaceful settlement! The South Kurds tried everything one could do to forge an alliance with a neighbouring nation (Turkey), President Barzani in 1990es, offered President Turgut Özal that South Kurdistan would declare independence from Iraq and Join Turkey in a Confederation (Union), the military refused, and when President Turgut Özal had his heart attack, he was denied medical care!!!.
President Barzani did all what he could do to satisfy the Turkish state, even after that first rejection! He lost at least 3000 of the best of the Peshmergas in fights against PKK in the harsh terrains of Mount Kandil fighting alongside the Turkish army, to bring him nothing but denial and accusations by the Turkish military and belittling by the government in Ankara.

Most of you outsiders seem not to grasp the point. The Turkish PM declared two years ago, that he is against a Kurdish state “even in Argentine”!! Who of you westerns would ever accept denial of your birth rights! You wouldn’t bear one day what the Kurdish kids been standing for 100es of years, thanks for your tax money spend on bullets killing them. You should not accuse the Kurds and play political scientists with trivial amount of knowledge, go and tell white house to stop sending your tax billions to man killer state terrorists.

Mike, what a pity on you, you must be a very ignorant Christian! You advocate Christianity and peace, but seem never question you government sending your tax money in arm support to train Muslim Turkey man killers! I am so sorry for you.

Mucurlu, What a big shame!!! You seem to be very back-drawn not knowing that the genetics of most of the Turks are very similar to that of the Kurds’, Armenians’, Greeks and Georgians’ who are the endogenous people to Anatolia and the ancestors of most of the Turks. The Mongolian genes of the Turkish nation is less than 3% among the Turks, or those who changed their language and call themselves Turks, whether by force or own will for acquisition of wealth and power during the Ottoman empire!

Dan Asta you are far away in lands where individualism is strong and no parents or siblings get punished for their relative’s actions, but that is Middle East! Only few weeks ago the American Army stanched an Iranian delegate member in Sulaimania from his hotel room under the pretext that he was in charge of military operations against US army in Iraq, but in revenge the Iranians shut the border gates with Kurdistan and paralyzed the entire eastern regions trade as a punishment for the American action. It is obvious that the Turks would do the same. You just seem never learn how others think, they can not attack American they attack their weak allies!!!

Stuart do some research and widen your views. What could one do with the impossible, even the state department is tired of them too, they call the Turks “Difficult customers”.

Asim Ma I do feel sorry for you from the depth of my heart. What such a wonderful pro terrorist Palestinian like you is doing in San Antonio? Are you a sleeper cell of AQ? When are your going to detonate yourself in the name of your Islam? Don’t do it in US, the Kurds has no military treaty of bilateral defence with Israel, Turkey does have one! Be a man and a proud Turk, detonate your bombs in Ankara and get rid your nation of the shame of hiding in the arms of the “Fasik” in San Antonio!!!!!!

I can write and comment all night long on your stupid comments that worth nothing but ignoring them, and it feels like I am talking to a wall! The worse enemy is an illiterate enemy! Turkey is risking US$ 5B worth trade with South Kurdistan, and spends billions on the war machinery that pounded its economy to the verge of collapse in early 1990es if not for US money “World bank loans”. It should have learned from others experience Iran and Iraq and the long war with Cyprus and Greece, “in war no one is a winner, in peace everyone is a winner” there is a Hungarian proverb says “ a clever man learns from others mistakes, a stupid man doesn’t might learns from his own mistakes”

For the Armenian friends, you have been sometimes unjust so harshly criticising the Kurds as a nation, we housed you when the Greeks expelled you thousands of years ago when we were not Muslims! May be you have been fed with anti Kurdish propaganda, and sometimes express hate towards the Kurds. I understand you point of view to some extend, but let me remind you that the Kurds are and always were your true friends. We have so many times expressed our regrets for all the Armenian and the Kurdish lives lost on the hands of the Turks and condemned those Kurdish mercenaries who had then sold their sole to the Turks in the name of Islam, but you still seem not accepting a mans regret, while the Turks still deny you even the happening of those terrible massacres in 1915.

There are and always will be mercenaries among all nations on this planet. Weak people who sell their sole cheap and do others harm, does not represent entire nations. I have a good Armenian friend whose families were saved by the same Kurds you criticize from ultimate death by the Turks, those Kurds risked their own and family’s lives, for the sake of Humanity! It is time for us to join efforts and forget the past, we have stepped beyond 1915, where the Turks seem to have stood still!

Some members of this board want the Kurds to accept the status quo!! which means Kurds be slaves..the fascist junta should have a free hand in destroying the Kurdistan's villages...and Kurdish people should become "mountain Turks".."Happy is who calls himself a Turk!!".....
The Kurds not only have the right but the duty to fight for freedom, democracy, self-determination, and statehood. Screw the status quo id that means Kurds being enslaved... The criminal junta will add a black scar in its ugly face with the murder of each child and with the destruction of each village in Kudistan.....You want oil in Kirkuk,,,but that city is the heart and Quds of Kurdistan..how can a heart be given away to the junta?..

Mr. Bakir writes: "The Kurdistan Region is Iraq’s safest and most secure. But we may soon pay a heavy price for the actions of the PKK in Turkey, and for a House Foreign Affairs Committee vote about Armenia in the U.S. – neither of which have anything to do with the Kurds of Iraq or the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG.)"

I cannot believe how someone can write something like this. It is very enigmatic and problematic, even according to the Middle East standards, where apperantly no proof is needed for an argument.

(1) North Iraq is not a safe place. If it was a safe place, PKK wouldn't have had a training base there. PKK's ability to shoot into Turkey from North Iraq and to train terorists to ambush Turkish troops in the border region must tell you one thing: That place is NOT safe.

(2) PKK cannot train, house and transport 3000+ terrorists in N. Iraq without the approval and knowledge of the local Kurdish government, which controls all the roads with countless checkpoints. It is clear that Iraqi Kurds are supporting PKK and are lying about it.

I am not sure how this article got published in the WP, someone really needs to check the logic of such articles.

Don't put the blame on Armenians or anyone else. And keep in mind supporting terror is always a tricky business.

Mr. Bakir writes: "The Kurdistan Region is Iraq’s safest and most secure. But we may soon pay a heavy price for the actions of the PKK in Turkey, and for a House Foreign Affairs Committee vote about Armenia in the U.S. – neither of which have anything to do with the Kurds of Iraq or the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG.)"

I cannot believe how someone can write something like this. It is very enigmatic and problematic, even according to the Middle East standards, where apperantly no proof is needed for an argument.

(1) North Iraq is not a safe place. If it was a safe place, PKK wouldn't have had a training base there. PKK's ability to shoot into Turkey from North Iraq and to train terorists to ambush Turkish troops in the border region must tell you one thing: That place is NOT safe.

(2) PKK cannot train, house and transport 3000+ terrorists in N. Iraq without the approval and knowledge of the local Kurdish government, which controls all the roads with countless checkpoints. It is clear that Iraqi Kurds are supporting PKK and are lying about it.

I am not sure how this article got published in the WP, someone really needs to check the logic of such articles.

Don't put the blame on Armenians or anyone else. And keep in mind supporting terror is always a tricky business.

The USA can't be our friend and at the same time harm our friendship. Us Turks do not need friends like this no matter what the costs.

Why has American weapons showed up in Turkey used againts the Republic by PKK terrorists?

Why would a friend allow inaccurate history to create tension and unimaginable consequences?

Why does the USA think it can dictate its policies around the world?

I could only think of a secret plan of destruction in the region and we Turks will not tolerate this to happen.

If the Kurds in Iraq respect the Turkish republic then actions should be taken without delay.

And for all those haters, we are ready to defend what we believe in so please don't push the wrong buttons, we also have buttons we can push!

With respect to mankind and our forefathers Adam and Eve

Kurds around the world should be at ease and relax. Turkey respects the Kurds in Turkey and treat them like brothers and sisters.

Kurds around the world should not accuse Turkey for wrong doing as Turkey is legitimately trying to stop terror on its land. If you support terrorists then you should accept the consequences of a bloody war that Turkey does not want.

Turkey don't need oil to survive like some sugest. Turkey as a remarkable and dynamic economy.

So please all those war firsty creeps stop this or we will see the start of a new war that the majorty of mankind does not want. Lessons from WW1 + WW2 should be learned and at all costs war should be only to eradicate terrorists such as the PKK.

My message is to my Kurdish brothers and sisters. Get your camp in order and accept the status quo or face a war that nobody wants.

YETER ARTIK YA INSAN GIBI YASAYIN YADA BU TOPRAKLARI TERKEDIN DAHA FAZLA KAN DOKULMEDEN.

I see that many proponent of Turkish argument here are claiming that the whole issue is about PKK, and if they are evicted from there ( despite the fact that most of the attacks are happeing deeply in Turkish territories)everything will be alright and Turkey will stop threatening Iraqi Kurdistan.I doubt it if they have forgoten the speech given awhile back by the commander of land forces of Turkish Army and a similar remark by the chief of Staff of the Turkish Army.They both referred clearly to KRG and Kurdish entity in what they called Northern Iraq(Iraqi Kurdistan).Mr. Ilnur Cevik the next day wrote an editorial on that speech and indicated that - now it is clear that Turkey's main concern is not PKK, nor the implementation of article 140 of the Iraqi constitution of 2005, nor the Turkmens, but rather the developments in Northern Iraq as Kurds in Turkey are feeling moral support from there and possibly identify with that region and grow the sentiment of belonging to the area.
KRG has done everything in its power to build the best relations with Turkey and other neighbors. There are thousands of Turkish companies working in Iraqi Kurdistan and billions of dollars are invested and a huge trade across the borders.
Although Iraqi Kurdistan is part of the federal democratic Iraq and is recognized as such in the constitution, Turkey adamantly is refusing to recognize that and deal with KRG.Accordingly Turkey is rejecting the legitimacy of Iraqi state and constitution, and its the duty of Iraqi federal government to deal with this issue.The latest security accord signed between the two countries was done behind Kurds' back despite the huge represenation of Kurds in Baghdad which indicates the secretive nature of that treaty that cannot be carried out without the involvement of KRG, Now the continued bombardment of Kurdish village is a clear violation of that same treat, because we do not believe that Iraqi federal government is willing to be participant to invite foreign armies to bombard helpless villagers on daily basis causing, alot of propery damage ,spreading fear and chaos.KRG totally agree with Turkey that there is a problem and it needs to be resolved, what they differ on is the method. They insist on military option( have been tried before in vain) while KRG advice on the political dialogue( never been tried). Simply because KRG has bitter experience with military options. In the 1990's there was a close cooperation between both sides in this regards and those efforts did not pay off.
Kurds are accused of harboring separatists intentions. KRG repeatedly has called on concerned parties and explained their position on this issue which could be summed up as this: Kurds are not a minority, but a devided nation against its will.Like any other nation and according to all norms and laws they deserve to have a homeland and determine their own fate on their ancestral lands,however, KRG at present sees that the best options for Kurds is to stay part of the democratic, federal Iraq as long as this union is based on a voluntary one. Under such a scenario Kurds are having all their rights, short of statehood, while enjoying the protection of a sovereign state which is Iraq.KRG's Arab partners in the federal government in Bagdad must understand this point which is crucial for keeping Iraq together.Any compromise on their side will geopardize the integrity of the country.
Let's assume for a minute that Turkish parliament passed the resolution tomorrow, that does not mean the Turkish army will march immediately into Iraqi Kurdistan despite the build-up.There are many other considerations Turkey must deal with before taking that risk.The first thing that comes to mind, if Iraqi Kurdistan was invaded and let's assume once again Kurds did not resist the invasion.How far Turkish army will go deep inside Iraqi Kurdistan? Are they willing to march as far as Kirkuk? The other imposing question is what is next ? after they are inside?can they occupy Kurdistan and keep it and for how long?This is a point Iraqi Arabs need to pay attention to.
We must not forget that Turkey will be doing this uniliterally on her own against everybody's advice including US, EU and UN.
Kurdistan is part of Iraq and Iraq is under the protection of US and other allies.
What would be the reaction of all those?
How KRG and Iraqi federal Government will react?
What would be the reaction of Kurdistani and Iraqi people in general?
Would the Turkish move encourage Iran and Syria to do the same? How USA will react if that was the case? Let's remember that this is the only stable secure region in Iraq that USA is trying so hard to bring stabilty and tranquility about.
I would be surprised if any sober Turkish politician, military leader or parliamentarian authorize such a move by the Turkish army.
Many will lose if such a move was carried out, but I am certain the biggest loser at the end would be Turkey herself. The consequences Turkey will face as a result of this action will be uncertain but devastating.
It is illogical to resort to such harsh measures when you have other options available to you.Turkey has those options available to her and must use them.Dialogue with KRG would certainly resolve this problem or at least allowing Kurds to participate in the three party negotiations within the Iraqi delegation as they are main partners.

Slipping away :

A report submitted on 16 July, 1925 by the commission appointed by the League of Nations to resolve the Mosul problem, stated that the Kurds formed the majority of the Mosul Vilayet (province). It concluded that since Kurds constituted five-eighth of the population, and were a distinct race from the Arabs or Turks, an independent Kurdish state should be established. However, for economic motives, Mosul was to be attached to Iraq. By then, the British had realised that Kirkuk, which was part of Mosul Vilayet, contained significant oil reserves. Consequently, the British spearheaded the campaign to make Mosul part of Iraq as without it Iraq could not be a viable state economically and strategically.

In 1930, an Anglo-Iraqi agreement was signed in which Britain’s mandate over Iraq ended, and Iraq was given independence. In this Anglo-Iraqi agreement, there were no provisions to secure Kurdish rights. The British abandoned the idea of an autonomous Kurdish state within Iraq and the Kurds were left at the mercy of the Iraqi state. The international community, particularly the British, failed the Kurds and paved the way for the Iraqi government to suppress, massacre, and commit genocide against the Kurds.

Realising the potential of Kirkuk, the Iraqi government soon began its Arabization campaign. From the 1930s and until the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, the Kurds and other minority ethnic groups were prevented from purchasing any land or houses in the region. In the last decade, Saddam Hussein’s regime had been forcibly removing Kurds from Kirkuk to reduce their numbers so that the government could claim Kirkuk was not Kurdish.

Kirkuk has been a contentious issue in Kurdish-Arab relations in Iraq and it will continue to be unless a solution is found. In 1970, the Iraqi Government granted the Kurds a comprehensive autonomy pact but Kirkuk was not included. The Iraqi government was not willing to let go of Kirkuk and neither was the Kurdish leadership. When Saddan Hussein’s government was overthrown in 2003, an opportunity was created for the Kurds to incorporate Kirkuk into Kurdistan. However, there have been sever