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Kurds: Armenians Win, We Pay the Price

By Falah Mustafa Bakir

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan is asking his country’s parliament this week to unanimously approve a "mobilization" against the Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK), an action that he and other Turkish leaders have signaled could include a Turkish military attack on the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. Such an attack would represent the gravest challenge to Iraq since our liberation from Saddam Hussein in 2003 and would jeopardize, perhaps fatally, the success of the American mission in Iraq.

The Kurdistan Region is Iraq’s safest and most secure. But we may soon pay a heavy price for the actions of the PKK in Turkey, and for a House Foreign Affairs Committee vote about Armenia in the U.S. – neither of which have anything to do with the Kurds of Iraq or the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG.)

The KRG seeks no conflict with Turkey. Quite the opposite: the KRG considers friendly relations with Turkey its top priority. We consider the Turkish people as close friends and neighbors with whom we have much in common. Turkish trade and investment has been instrumental to our region's economic growth. We are interested in pursuing stronger ties through direct dialogue with Ankara on any and all issues of common interest. Any problems or disagreements should be solved through diplomacy and dialogue, not threats of military force.
We condemn the killing of innocent people and we do not believe that violence ever solves problems. The KRG has supported U.S. mediation efforts with Iraq and Turkey about the PKK, and has encouraged efforts toward a comprehensive political solution to the problem of the PKK, which cannot be solved solely through military means.

The KRG does not and will not support the de-stabilization of Turkey or any of our neighbors. We respect and practice the principle of noninterference in the affairs of others, and expect the same in return. In that context, the Iranian intimidation and shelling of villages and towns along our eastern border must also stop. As with Turkey, we seek no confrontation with Iran. Since 1991, we have proven to Turkey, Iran and all of Iraq's neighbors that the Kurds are a stabilizing factor in Iraq and the Middle East.

The stakes could not be higher for Iraq, and for the peace and prosperity of the Kurdistan Region, which has proven itself the model and gateway for a new Iraq. The Kurds are America's most loyal and trusted allies in pursuit of an independent, democratic and federal Iraq. The current crisis on our borders comes at an especially inopportune and sensitive time with regard to on-going efforts in Iraq toward national reconciliation. This is very much a work in progress, but there is progress.

There is an emerging consensus among Iraqi politicians about federalism, which is Iraq's constitutionally mandated form of government. KRG President Masoud Barzani has called for a conference in Erbil among Iraq's political leaders to discuss how to implement a federal system of governance in our country. The diversity of Iraqi society is a source of strength, not division. Federalism has worked around the world – in the United States, the United Arab Emirates, and in many other countries. It should be seen as the solution, rather than the problem, for the deep governance challenges in Iraq. Federalism is not "partition," as some have misrepresented it. We appreciate those in the U.S. Senate who understand and have recognized the reality of a federal Iraq through an amendment to the U.S. Defense Authorization bill.

Some neighboring countries see the shadow of independence falling across all that we do in the Kurdistan Region. When the Iraqi constitution was drafted four years ago, the Kurdistan Region’s leadership made a firm decision to remain part of Iraq. Despite the national tragedy that has befallen much of the rest of Iraq, we remain committed to that course of action today. We believe today that our future is best secured by becoming an active participant in a federal, democratic and secular Iraq.

Falah Mustafa Bakir is the Head of the Department of Foreign Relations, with Ministerial rank, in the Kurdistan Regional Government of Iraq.

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Turkey has proved to the world once again that they are unfit to be part of the European Union.
The Attacks on Kurds have more in common with Hitlers aid to General Franco in Spain, than to European standards of conduct. In this case Bush is taking Hitlers part.
The PKK is a straw horse, the ulterior motive is complete genocise of all Kurds, as Turkey did with the Armenians 100 years ago.

Ali G:

Firstly I would like to say that I am a Turkish Cypriot.
Back in time, from around 1950's to before turks and greeks lived happily, we had our differences but somehow managed to oversee that as we didnt invade no one. we was there for 500 years! how many years does it take for people to be seen as the society in one place?
The kurds, theyve been in Turkey and iraqi parts for HOW LONG?
In a funny way its like we asked for it to happen but the English and the U.S somehow appeared to be interested then the greeks thought yeah lets get rich then wars broke out. why? whos war was this really? the u.s supplying the greeks with weapons or the english who think they own the island?
but coming to the topic, hasnt anyone realised two years ago PKK wasnt a terrorist group, in fact the u.s has supported the kurds and there rights.. turkey was in the wrong right? okay so what happened? suddenly the English have full support for Turkeys progression into the eu. Anyone remember the bomb attacks in parts of Turkey, the English papers wrote DO NOT GO TO TURKEY on them! but now I feel sorry for whats happening over there! the u.s and allies went into iraq, people died, innocent people! and now this? this is all wrong and the english and u.s know exactly what theyre doing!
You want to know what i think? the u.s is just too far from the rest of the world, thats what kept them safe for the past, now they have grown and think they can play big brother to the rest of the world, only problem is they are not siblings, no one is to no one.
You know what i hope the u.s and turkey clash seriously I dont want there favor or the english! these countries have demoralized everyone. And the world is in so much pain i get the feeling it has always been like this maybe being evil is as part of us as much as being good... money politics religion all the these differences are not really any significant! what matters is that we dont destroy innocent lives and live to make it better for everyone and not to make more money! I hope Turkey doesnt enter eu as its only a paradox that u.s majorly (f*** it) owns. and if its not them then this is all the english and there mysterious ways of controlling and making there own lives better policy. And if it wasnt them then its someone else why is the world so f***** up everyone OPEN YOUR EYES

Young Turks:

To Dairo
Reputation is relativity concept and the link you mentioned does not mean anything historicly. I recommend all contradictories to search the history toroughly. All our archives are open to contradictories. You stupid PKK supporters does not know what kind of fight you are in. very few Kurdish groups do support this foolish fight. You do not know how the majority of Kurdish people in Turkey live. They are quite reach and benefit from other weak Kurdish poeple. Especialy weak kurdish people adore kurdish tribe leaders and they can die for them for nothing. It is the same situation all over kurds. You should first solve your problems internally then you might have something (You still have nothing to say) to comment about others.

1 Turk value a world (Mustafa Kemal ATATURK)

dario:

Turks are losers in this war ..one of the most reputable think tank concluded. see the link
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/me_turkey_01_02.asp

Tariq Niazi:

It all goes back to Turkey being totally ignored and refused a membership in EU Community. Turkey was on the forefront during the cold war and they sacrificed a lot on behalf of NATO. When the time came to give them the membership all of a sudden they are a Muslin State hence it is a big "NO" ,whereas Greece Cyprus has been granted a membership. Now would you blame them if they start being a nation who have wrestled themselves out of US influence. Who is creating these divisions and paving the way for the religious parties to win in parliamentary elections?. My conclusion-the west.

DEBRAH MOGOTSI:

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DEBRAH MOGOTSI:

I am not challenging any one and anything. i am truly in need of assistance ,financially so that i make use of my self and become something one day. i am a black young and vibrant lady, so much in desparation to get money and become a business woman in Botswana.AFRICA. In my country there are few if not less women in recognition . i need to be seen and respected of making a difference in my life and other black women lives

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Pshtiwan:

I the word Turk speaks for it self,I am glad i am not turk.

pshtiwan

Pshtiwan:

Why do you publish so many comment by the turks whcih is racist and block the kurds from comments?

Regards
Pshtiwan
Kurdistan

Pshtiwan:

To Mr Malai
When the kurds demand freedom then thay play with fire,have you ever been under occupaition by turks,arabs and pesrsians?i gess not ,then do not comment about things you do not have any idea about.
What we see today in middeleast and islamist is mr Alsalahuddins fault becuase if he just stayed in kurdistan at that time and did not came to rescue islam then i belive the crusaiders will finished the bloody islam.


Pshtiwan
South Kurdistan

MALAI:

Be it turk, armenians, kurds, arabs, we are all human beings. Who needs war and destruction? It's a loss and war will eat on everyone. Sit down and star talking. My advice to turk, have patience and let's talk. For Kurds , do not play with fire, the Americans or MOSAD will not going to be there forever. For Armenians, what past is past, the current generation of turkmen do not even commit the crime that they have been accused. For Arabs, dont you know that Saladin is Kurdish?
Peace to all.

Young Turk:

The PKK is an armed terrorist organization, listed as such by the U.S. Government and the European Union. It employs force and the threat of force against civilian and military targets to achieve its political goals. The PKK seeks to create an independent, communist, ethnically pure Kurdish state in an area that it calls Kurdistan. Calling PKK terrorists rebels or guerrillas undermines international efforts to fight terrorism in all its forms and shapes.

PKK’s ambition is Kurdish secession from the Republic of Turkey by force and the threat of force against civilians and military personnel.

The PKK attacks civilian and military targets alike. Since it started its campaign of violence, the PKK has killed thousands of Turkish citizens, especially targeting elementary school teachers, doctors, technicians, engineers of infrastructure projects, Kurdish village guards and police. Today, the PKK has roughly 5,000 members under arms, many of them very young adults. It recently started to use suicide bombers, mainly women, and also remotely detonated roadside bombs, as well landmines, techniques learned and developed in Iraq. Even though they are portrayed in the western media as Kurdish freedom fighters, the PKK has in fact killed thousands of their ethnic brethren who do not support it.
.The PKK is also a criminal enterprise, as it is funded by extortion, drug trafficking (particularly heroin) and the smuggling of illegal immigrants into Europe and the smuggling of petroleum products out of Iraq into Turkey.
Turkey’s ethnic Kurds are first class citizens. Turks of Kurdish ethnicity are well represented in government and in business and industry. They have been Presidents, Prime Ministers, and countless members of parliament of Kurdish ethnic origin. The vast majority of Turkish Kurds are well integrated into society and have the same rights and liberties as all other citizens. Restrictions that existed on cultural expressions of ethnic identities have long been lifted. Kurds in Turkey preserve their ethnic identity, language and local cultures. Turkey has taken laudable steps to open space for Kurdish culture in recent years: radio and television broadcasts in Kurdish have been authorized; the Turkish Public Television broadcasts in Kurdish; private instruction in Kurdish is permitted.

The southeast of Turkey, where a large number of Kurdish Turks live, has received the greatest per capita public investment, totaling well over 150 billion dollars through the course of the past three decades. In the past few years only, investments to the southeast of Turkey have surpassed 20 billion dollars in contrast to the fact that the region generates a miniscule contribution to the overall GNP of Turkey. In addition to public investment, Turkish civil society organizations, particularly charitable organizations that support education and healthcare, have poured millions of dollars in donations into projects specifically designed for the needs of this region.
Turkey has constantly extended a hand of friendship and help to Iraqi Kurds. Turkey gave safe haven to over 500 thousand Iraqi Kurds who fled Saddam’s wrath and were take care of by Turkey for several years. Today, Turkey is a major electricity supplier to northern Iraq, is its main supply route and has helped in the rebuilding of this part of Iraq. Friendly relations with Turkey are to the benefit of the Kurdish Iraqis. But Kurdish leaders are squandering this opportunity by harboring the PKK.
Under international law, Turkey enjoys a right to pursue the PKK into northern Iraq to protect its citizens and sovereignty, a right indistinguishable from the United States claim of authority to invade any country that harbors terrorists.

In sum, Kurds enjoy equal opportunity to pursue their political and economic ambitions in Turkey. Their achievements in those realms are impressive. The PKK is a Marxist-Leninist terrorist organization that has rejected Turkey’s democracy for violence and terror to pursue the illegal aim of secession. Turkey’s right to enter northern Iraq in pursuit of its PKK terrorist enemy is beyond question and fully in accord with international law and practice.

MUCURLU:

TO JAMSHID;; at least donkey is useful for something,what about you and your people? you and persians were our slaves for years ,,you done more job then the donkey in past, but you no good now and we still use donkeys, if you understand what i am try to say,you and persians dont even worth as much as donkeys any more ...that your stone age brain sayin that meanin of that word means that..but if you read the dictionary what TURK means in the world..but you cant say it because you know what it means realy,,you forget about us TURKS,you worry about USA,i dont know how you going to save yourself when they start to destroy you people soon,,,persia and iran or those bloody leaders of yours with stupid backward headed imams will be running to us TO TURKIYE for help ..are you gonna say the same things again,,no..beacuse you wont be alive to or see all this happening

Jamshid:

If you exchange a Turk with a donkey..the donkey's owner losses why?..Turkha Khara are worth les...logic from Persia,,

Jamshid:

Turkha Khara..come visit e in Persia.

Jamshid:

Turka Khara (Turkish donkey) may have IQ of no mor than 40. I am being good to Turka Khara..... WE persians hate Turka Khara..

Jamshid:

I wrie from Isfhan, Iran, In Iran we call Turks Turka Khara whicj means Turkish donkey. Turks are donkeys...They are not human beings. WE persians know that for longs. They not killed people in Kordestan but other areas. .Turka Khara is a wild wild animal...it needs to restrained.

Nothern iraq region:

The northern Iraq region is managed under one person the Barzani -Talabani family clans. The parliment is for birds to sing. Let me tell a bit about Mr Barzani Father Molla mustafa Barzani who attacked Turkey an incdent in record of history back in 1930, then asked To be granted asylum by Turkey a year later!. This is the pyhce two way street personality we are dealing with. This clan is like a big corporation with account executives. They do not have the skill and ability to have a state of their own. IT is claer that Brzani has been harboring,abading and financing the PKK which are killing turkish soldiers and civilians coming across the border. Turkey does not want a neigbor like this. its time the regions people wake to this.

MUCURLU:

TOO..ARAN,END TO PIGS LIKE HIM ..........................TO find out how much dignity we got ,you got to go and ask your mother she will tell you...and all kurds knows that..i know it will be very easy to talk front of moniter and on pc like this and you can say anything,,but when it comes to face to face you tribes running to mountains,hiding like womens,we got guts and glory,we dont hide if you want i give you my adress you come here and say that to my face ,if you want i will even send you airfares,,but i doubt, you and people weak and chicken like anything..and if your got a little bit of brain you understand what i say READ MY LIP kurds and TURKS NOT BROTHERS

Aran:

The Turkish junta should treat the Kurds as a genuine people not as animals...A just peace is what is needed between the two brotherly nations of Kurdistan & Turkey. War is only brings disaster to Kurdistan & Turkey.

Aran:

War is terrible..but the Kurds in Southren Kurdistan are attacked..the region will turn into a graveyard of Turkish army....Let's have peace with justice..

Kurds In Southern Kurdistan Vow To Fight Turkish Troops

By DOUGLAS BIRCH, Associated Press Writer
Oct 24, 2007

DERISHKIT, (Southern Kurdistan)- Two Turkish jet fighters streaked across the mountain peaks near this border village Wednesday as part of an expanding military force gathered to pressure Kurdish rebels to abandon their hideouts in Southern Kurdistan.


Residents claimed the planes were on a bombing run to hit a site about four miles inside Iraq, but could offer no details to back up their assertion. If true, however, the airstrike would mark a notable escalation of Turkish tactics against the Kurdish rebels.

The overflight came after three days of artillery shelling from inside Turkey at this area along the Zey-Gowra River, said Jalal Salman, the 45-year-old principal of the local school, and five other villagers.

Turkey's government has warned it will launch an offensive into Southern Kurdistan if Iraqi authorities don't move against bases used by the Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK, which has waged a more than two-decade fight for autonomy in predominantly Kurdish southeastern Turkey.

Officials in Iraq's Kurdish region say there are no PKK bases, at least in populated areas under government control.

Local officials said the Turkish artillery fire had mostly hit orchards, roads, mountainsides and, in one case, a tourist restaurant in a cave. So far there were no casualties in this area, they said.

Five other Derishkit residents joined Salman and gestured toward a Turkish military post on a hilltop in the neighboring town of Khani-Mase. An armored vehicle stood on the heights, its gun pointing down the slope. The post is one of five bases established inside this part of Iraq in the mid-1990s with Iraqi Kurd agreement as part of Turkey's war against PKK separatists.

Salman said villagers were not intimidated by the base's soldiers, who they said sometimes fired machine guns at people gathering firewood on the slopes below.

They also said they won't hesitate to wage war on Turkish troops if an invasion comes.

"There will be a guerrilla war, and we will take up arms," Salman said as the other men nodded in agreement. "What else can we do? They are bombing us. They are committing aggression."

Popular anger at Turkey seems to be growing in Southern Kurdistan, along with quiet preparations for conflict. There have been large demonstrations in the region's major cities, and television reports on a Kurdish protest in Turkey's capital riveted viewers here.

According to a report in one Kurdish newspaper, people living near one of the largest Turkish bases in Southern Kurdistan threatened to attack the post if the Turkish army continued to fire artillery at the area.

Meanwhile, the Kurdish regional government has moved in units of its Peshmerga Defense Forces from the region's south. More than 100 of the fighters arrived aboard white buses Tuesday morning in Dohuk, capital of the region.

Smaller units of Peshmerga mustered in mosques and schools near the border, which they usually avoid because of the risk of clashes with Turkish troops. Several convoys of white SUVs, evidently carrying high-ranking Peshmerga commanders, were seen traveling in the area.

Muhammed Mohsin, an official with Southern Kurdistan's dominant Kurdish Democratic Party in the Amadiya border area, said more than 50 villages in his area had been bombarded by Turkish artillery in recent days but no casualties had been reported.

Mohsin, one of the most influential political figures in Amadiya, said residents and the Peshmerga have laid plans for fighting any Turkish incursion.

"Our tactic is partisan fighting, a partisan conflict," he said. "If they attack, we are going to launch a partisan war against them."

Mohsin insisted there are no PKK camps in the Amadiya area.

But he also said dozens or hundreds of villages near the border had been evacuated and burned during Saddam Hussein campaign against Kurds and most remained empty. The Kurdish regional government has no control over this "no man's land," he said.

The area consists of range after range of arid mountains topped by sawtooth rocks, towering over narrow, twisting river valleys. "A million men could hide in those mountains," Mohsin said.

Many Iraqi Kurd officials suspect Turkey's real aim is to try to destabilize Southern Kurdistan, the most peaceful part of the country, to discourage separatist sentiment among the millions of Kurds living in southeastern Turkey.

The PKK has been fighting against the Turkish government since 1984 in a war that has caused 30,000 deaths. While it previously demanded a separate Kurdish state in Turkey's southeast, it more recently has called for an autonomous region — similar to the region that the Kurds have in Southern Kurdistan.

While the United States and Iraq's central government in Baghdad have labeled the PKK a terrorist organization, most Iraqi Kurds appear to regard its guerrillas as freedom fighters. They accuse the Turkish government of a long history of suppressing the Kurdish language and culture.

Many people here look to the United States to prevent Turkey from launching a major offensive into Iraq, some suggesting that Washington should respond with military force to any incursion.

"The U.S. is an occupying power," said Fahmi Salman, another regional Kurdistan Democratic Party official in Adamiya. "It is the duty of the United States to defend Kurdistan."

Salman said that even if the Americans don't help, the Kurds are prepared to defend their homes.

"The Kurds don't like war fighting," he said. "But if this happens, it will be a popular war. It will be against the people, and the people will fight."

Aran:

War is terrible..but the Kurds in Southren Kurdistan are attacked..the region will turn into a graveyard of Turkish army....Let's have peace with justice..

Kurds In Southern Kurdistan Vow To Fight Turkish Troops

By DOUGLAS BIRCH, Associated Press Writer
Oct 24, 2007

DERISHKIT, (Southern Kurdistan)- Two Turkish jet fighters streaked across the mountain peaks near this border village Wednesday as part of an expanding military force gathered to pressure Kurdish rebels to abandon their hideouts in Southern Kurdistan.


Residents claimed the planes were on a bombing run to hit a site about four miles inside Iraq, but could offer no details to back up their assertion. If true, however, the airstrike would mark a notable escalation of Turkish tactics against the Kurdish rebels.

The overflight came after three days of artillery shelling from inside Turkey at this area along the Zey-Gowra River, said Jalal Salman, the 45-year-old principal of the local school, and five other villagers.

Turkey's government has warned it will launch an offensive into Southern Kurdistan if Iraqi authorities don't move against bases used by the Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK, which has waged a more than two-decade fight for autonomy in predominantly Kurdish southeastern Turkey.

Officials in Iraq's Kurdish region say there are no PKK bases, at least in populated areas under government control.

Local officials said the Turkish artillery fire had mostly hit orchards, roads, mountainsides and, in one case, a tourist restaurant in a cave. So far there were no casualties in this area, they said.

Five other Derishkit residents joined Salman and gestured toward a Turkish military post on a hilltop in the neighboring town of Khani-Mase. An armored vehicle stood on the heights, its gun pointing down the slope. The post is one of five bases established inside this part of Iraq in the mid-1990s with Iraqi Kurd agreement as part of Turkey's war against PKK separatists.

Salman said villagers were not intimidated by the base's soldiers, who they said sometimes fired machine guns at people gathering firewood on the slopes below.

They also said they won't hesitate to wage war on Turkish troops if an invasion comes.

"There will be a guerrilla war, and we will take up arms," Salman said as the other men nodded in agreement. "What else can we do? They are bombing us. They are committing aggression."

Popular anger at Turkey seems to be growing in Southern Kurdistan, along with quiet preparations for conflict. There have been large demonstrations in the region's major cities, and television reports on a Kurdish protest in Turkey's capital riveted viewers here.

According to a report in one Kurdish newspaper, people living near one of the largest Turkish bases in Southern Kurdistan threatened to attack the post if the Turkish army continued to fire artillery at the area.

Meanwhile, the Kurdish regional government has moved in units of its Peshmerga Defense Forces from the region's south. More than 100 of the fighters arrived aboard white buses Tuesday morning in Dohuk, capital of the region.

Smaller units of Peshmerga mustered in mosques and schools near the border, which they usually avoid because of the risk of clashes with Turkish troops. Several convoys of white SUVs, evidently carrying high-ranking Peshmerga commanders, were seen traveling in the area.

Muhammed Mohsin, an official with Southern Kurdistan's dominant Kurdish Democratic Party in the Amadiya border area, said more than 50 villages in his area had been bombarded by Turkish artillery in recent days but no casualties had been reported.

Mohsin, one of the most influential political figures in Amadiya, said residents and the Peshmerga have laid plans for fighting any Turkish incursion.

"Our tactic is partisan fighting, a partisan conflict," he said. "If they attack, we are going to launch a partisan war against them."

Mohsin insisted there are no PKK camps in the Amadiya area.

But he also said dozens or hundreds of villages near the border had been evacuated and burned during Saddam Hussein campaign against Kurds and most remained empty. The Kurdish regional government has no control over this "no man's land," he said.

The area consists of range after range of arid mountains topped by sawtooth rocks, towering over narrow, twisting river valleys. "A million men could hide in those mountains," Mohsin said.

Many Iraqi Kurd officials suspect Turkey's real aim is to try to destabilize Southern Kurdistan, the most peaceful part of the country, to discourage separatist sentiment among the millions of Kurds living in southeastern Turkey.

The PKK has been fighting against the Turkish government since 1984 in a war that has caused 30,000 deaths. While it previously demanded a separate Kurdish state in Turkey's southeast, it more recently has called for an autonomous region — similar to the region that the Kurds have in Southern Kurdistan.

While the United States and Iraq's central government in Baghdad have labeled the PKK a terrorist organization, most Iraqi Kurds appear to regard its guerrillas as freedom fighters. They accuse the Turkish government of a long history of suppressing the Kurdish language and culture.

Many people here look to the United States to prevent Turkey from launching a major offensive into Iraq, some suggesting that Washington should respond with military force to any incursion.

"The U.S. is an occupying power," said Fahmi Salman, another regional Kurdistan Democratic Party official in Adamiya. "It is the duty of the United States to defend Kurdistan."

Salman said that even if the Americans don't help, the Kurds are prepared to defend their homes.

"The Kurds don't like war fighting," he said. "But if this happens, it will be a popular war. It will be against the people, and the people will fight."

Aran:

Kurdish nation has the name rights as Turkish people...All nations are brothers....

to MUCURLU:

What dignity do you turkish bastards have! well we all know what dignity you turkish people have, all you have is the same dignity as Sibel Kekili.

with all resepect there has never been assyrians genocide otherwise united states would mention assyrians, that what I know, even if you wish you your nation name should be on the paper but according armanians there were only genocide of armanians and kurdish people.

MUCURLU:

kurds got what dignity? what pride they got? YEAH PRIDE FOR BACKSTABBING,,,TURKIYE open their hearts,open their arms to them,we turks give them food ,we give them water most of them we give them freedom to them AFTER THEY BEEN KICK OUT FROM RUSSIA,unfortunetly thats way soo much of them living in our country,,.but now what they want? because we give them our hand they want our arm..which country will do this? can you claim for a land from amerika or australia or europe countrys if you are refugee?because some kurds living in TURKIYE these tribes want land from us and to that they feeding terrorists soo when these pigs of pkk dead ,they are going to beg to other countrys saying TURKS killing kurds sooo they get mercy..they might have mercy to kurds but we TURKS wont,specialy if you try to touch us,if you hurt us. people like aran got no pride no dignity no self respect,and top of that he thinks giving your land giving your pride and giving your self is freedom and happiness... i told you people they are sooooo cheap,THAT they let everyone jump on their back.....LONG LIVE TURKIYE

Aran:

Sick comment from the guy who wrote the note before this messaage and stated the only good Kurd is a dead Kurd!!. He is so liberal compare to Turkish junta that he qualifies for Turkish ACLU. KURDS ARE A PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY & RIGHTS. That right incluse what are mentioned in the greatest document of this great America: freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Kurdistan shall not only survive but also thrive!!

Aran:

Sick comment from the guy who wrote the note before this messaage and stated the only good Kurd is a dead Kurd!!. He is so liberal compare to Turkish junta that he qualifies for Turkish ACLU. KURDS ARE A PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY & RIGHTS. That right incluse what are mentioned in the greatest document of this great America: freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Kurdistan shall not only survive but also thrive!!

MUCURLU:

when america travels 12000 kms after 9/11 to kill terrorist in irak everyone in the world silent..when TURKIYE,wanna deal with terrorist right next to their backyard it becames genocide.this shows how TURKISH POWER scares world and people like above comment maker aran.no need to scare people. what we do we do it for peace in the world as great ATATURK said;PEACE AT HOME PEACE ABROAD.. but people like slave kurds and armenians they have got no guts and balls to do same thing to russia who they kick them out of their homeland. you know why? because we are a elite people,we brave people,we are respected people and we are a nation with PRIDE ,,we got this pride and glory by cleaning up bad people in the world to have peaceful world.but people like aran ,or people that who support terrorizm like kurds,there is no peace to the world,and as long these type of pigs exist on the face of the world terrosizm is gonna be there,,we will deal with this tribes,what other nations going to do..give their land..LONG LIVE TURKIYE

MUCURLU:

TO; aran... with you kurd and with your thick head very hard to understand what i said , we got no kurd friends and we dont want kurdish friends and we never had ...you were just our slaves ..we got plenty friends like azerbaycan, turkmenistan,kazakistan others in that area,,what makes people like you to deal with us we dont wanna deal with you in anything,i dont know why you tribes try to sell youself that cheaply,,we only deal with you when we want ,not when you open your legs and bend over front of us like you to other nations and as you do it now to usa.because i am telling the truth and all the TURKS saying the same thing,, dont be cheap have bit of a pride thats if you got any,for once in your life try to get a life as a tribes kurds,good kurd is the dead one

Aran:

The above comment shows the kind of people we are dealing with in Turkey. The Kurds wants peace...but it is very hard to clap with one hands becuase pigs like the above person are in control in Turkey. I still say Kurds & Turks are brithers..and Turkey is made up of 2 nationalites: Kurds & Turks.
May God bless Kurdistan as it faces enemies as vicious as Hitler, Stalinn..

MUCURLU:

one main thing is should be in the heads of all kurds tribes and to world that supports these gypsy tribes is, TURKEY BELONGS TO TURKS,AND TURKS ONLY FRIENDS IS TURKS..either you like it or you live TURKEY..we dont want kurds in TURKEY they can live any where they want but i tell you something,more they stay there or around us,we WILL DESTROY them sistematicly or with bullets..we try to tell everyone you dont f##k with TURKS..KURDS NOT OUR BROTHERS ,they are arabs or some kind of gypsy tribes..to be come a TURK or to be friend with TURKS,you got to be brave and strong like the definition of the word (TURK)..dream about our strength and start worrying,,because we will be the nightmares of our enemys...

Aran:

They say that the first casualty of any war is the TRUTH. But the truth is always alien to the Turkish regime and its evil deiogns. Their aim is NOT PKK. They want to scare off the Kurds of Iraq from getting back the heart of Kurdistan, known as Kirkuk, through democratic process in Iraq known as article 140. While the criminal junta denies the genocide which happened 90 years ago against Armenians..it is preparing a new one against the Kurds. This time GENOCIDE WILL NOT BE A PICNIC...TURKISH JUNTA will be buried there in Kurdistan. Its place like Hitler, Stalin, ...

Aran:

If lies could take place in the stomach then we would have seen the stomachs of the criminal fascist junta in Turkey burst long long time again. Their aim is not PKK. Their aim is to scare the Kurds of Southren Kurdistan into backing off of their freedom March. You see the criminal junta in Turkey wants the Kurds in other countries to have the same fate as as their 30 milion Kurds in Turkey: enslavement. Turkish junta, war is bad and Kurds more than others hate it. But if you feel like going to Southren Kurdistan..then maybe do it..the war you start will be finished by Kurds. It may result in the crumbling hungry crimninal state of Turkey.
May God's curse be upon the enemies of the Kurdish nation & Kurdistan.

Aran:

This article was in the Conservative Voice..

by Craig Chamberlain
Turkish Temper Tantrum
October 20, 2007 01:00 PM EST


If the Armenian genocide of 1915 wasn't a genocide then why are the Turks so enraged whenever the subject comes up? Yes, it's true that the massacre happened during a time of war and that some Turks lost their lives. But the campaign was nothing more than an attempt by the failing Ottoman government to wipe out the Armenians. After all they weren't Turks and they weren't Muslims so why have them around.

Not that the Armenians were the first victims of Turkish agression. For over a century the Turks ruled and brutalized the Balkans, with acts of violence and forcibly taking Christian children from their homes and making them Janisarries in the Ottoman army. (Now all of that is in the past, although if Erdogan has his way the old Turkey might emerge again.)The Greeks who had been living in Asia minor since the bronze age were forcibly expelled by the Turks after world war one. The Kurds had every shred of the culture buried by the Turks(the Turks went so far as to deny that they Kurds even existed, referring to them as "mountain Turks).

In the old days the Turks targeted their victims for religious reasons. Non Muslims were the victims of their violence. After the rise of Ataturk Jihad was replaced by Turkish Chauvinism. Now Turkey is trying to combine the two. Erdogan is trying to create a new Islamism at home and nationalism abroad.

That being said Congress has better things to do. If they want to deal with genocide why not deal with the situation in Darfur, which is ongoing, instead of talking about something that happened in 1915? The answer is that Congress likes grandstanding and chest thumping, they just don't like to take any action.

Instead all they do is agitate a very touchy country, a country that already wants to invade Iraq so they can launch a new campaign against the Kurds(if Erdogan has his way he'll turn the hunt for a few PKK rebels into a new genocide) though it seems after Erdogan has gotten to rattle the saber he's backing down. The situation in Iraq is still dangerous, even after the success of the surge, and we couldn't have allowed the Turks to invade the Kurdish region which happens to be the most stable part of Iraq.

As allies the Turks are valuable, but not irreplaceable. Under Erdogan relations have gotten worse from cool to downright frozen. Still it would be in the interests of the United States to keep the Turks on our side. Congress should abandon the resolution, there's nothing that can be done about it. If they want to stop violence let them stop something that's still ongoing. The Turks are going to be Turks no matter how Congress votes.

Aran:

This article was in the Conservative Voice..

by Craig Chamberlain
Turkish Temper Tantrum
October 20, 2007 01:00 PM EST


If the Armenian genocide of 1915 wasn't a genocide then why are the Turks so enraged whenever the subject comes up? Yes, it's true that the massacre happened during a time of war and that some Turks lost their lives. But the campaign was nothing more than an attempt by the failing Ottoman government to wipe out the Armenians. After all they weren't Turks and they weren't Muslims so why have them around.

Not that the Armenians were the first victims of Turkish agression. For over a century the Turks ruled and brutalized the Balkans, with acts of violence and forcibly taking Christian children from their homes and making them Janisarries in the Ottoman army. (Now all of that is in the past, although if Erdogan has his way the old Turkey might emerge again.)The Greeks who had been living in Asia minor since the bronze age were forcibly expelled by the Turks after world war one. The Kurds had every shred of the culture buried by the Turks(the Turks went so far as to deny that they Kurds even existed, referring to them as "mountain Turks).

In the old days the Turks targeted their victims for religious reasons. Non Muslims were the victims of their violence. After the rise of Ataturk Jihad was replaced by Turkish Chauvinism. Now Turkey is trying to combine the two. Erdogan is trying to create a new Islamism at home and nationalism abroad.

That being said Congress has better things to do. If they want to deal with genocide why not deal with the situation in Darfur, which is ongoing, instead of talking about something that happened in 1915? The answer is that Congress likes grandstanding and chest thumping, they just don't like to take any action.

Instead all they do is agitate a very touchy country, a country that already wants to invade Iraq so they can launch a new campaign against the Kurds(if Erdogan has his way he'll turn the hunt for a few PKK rebels into a new genocide) though it seems after Erdogan has gotten to rattle the saber he's backing down. The situation in Iraq is still dangerous, even after the success of the surge, and we couldn't have allowed the Turks to invade the Kurdish region which happens to be the most stable part of Iraq.

As allies the Turks are valuable, but not irreplaceable. Under Erdogan relations have gotten worse from cool to downright frozen. Still it would be in the interests of the United States to keep the Turks on our side. Congress should abandon the resolution, there's nothing that can be done about it. If they want to stop violence let them stop something that's still ongoing. The Turks are going to be Turks no matter how Congress votes.

TO Ted Baines::

Dear Ted,
what kind of image muslims have i donot know but i know one image of USA for example Guantanmo.The hidden prison.i suppose that you are aware of complaints done by HR organisations and other countries.

other image is CIA flights which are done through all around Europe and middle-east.

Genocide is a serious topic.There is a conflict between war conditions and genocide conditions.
do you imagine that 100 years later if iraqi people asked for genocide done against in iraqi would USA admit genocide?

TO Azadouhi: :

"The Kurdish tribes involved in Hamidieh Cavalry took part in the Armenian massacre. Hundreds of thousands of Armenian and Assyrians were slaughtered and as many were forced to migrate during this massacre"
There are many Armenian,Kurdish and Assyrian people still leaving in Turkey.i have never heard of those.my dreampower couldnot catch yours.What kind of problem you have i donot know but please stay there whereever you are.We donot want
any ridicolous time consuming issues in Turkey anymore.

Genocide is something like killing whole nation systematically without leaving any of them.This is something like Adolf planned.But still we have Kurdish Armenian and Assyrian people in Turkey peacefully living.

And congrulations Kurdo:you have a problem.According to somebodies Kurdish people executed Assyrian genocide :) you have another duty instead of blaming firstly to struggle with this one:) good luck boy

Worryingly nobody mentions What ottoman Empire or Turkey did for Jewesh people in the history.Ottoman Empire moved many Jewesh people from Spain to help and save them.And Jewesh people have taken part in trading significantly.And still playing key roles in Turkey.


"The Turkish state is also following the same policy today. While aggravating the Alevi and Sunni people against each other, the government is also promoting the village guard system thus setting the Kurds against one another"

There had been problems between Alevi and Sunni people in the near past.There are organisations which negotiate with government.Problems are known and at least discussed.Also progress is followed by EU.

Village Guard System is supported and provided by Kurdish originated people living in south-eastern part of Turkey.PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION calls those Kurdish People as traitor.
In the last Terrorist-massacre 15 Kurdish People were slaughtered.Most of them were member of Village Guard System.And they were on their way to work on constructing water chanelling system.Those victims were trying to get simply water to their village.why does PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION kill Kurdish people?


"Zubeyir Aydar-Chair of the Executive Committee"

This guy is another terrorist who set up subdiary organisation of PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.Nothing more to say.

TO Eamad j mazouri: :

"Second to prove to you that this is not about pkk, Military option was exrcized in the 1990's with an ok from US and cooperation from Kurds"

Check Talabani's declaration,Mr Talabani says those forces purpose is observing and controlling terrorist activities in Northern Iraqi.

TO H.S.Soran: :


"which are officially verified by KRG authorities , we are sure that " TURKEY HAS ALREADY ATTACKED AND INTRUDED KRG !!!"

Soran you made me laughed.Who are those authorities? Barzani and Talabani can explain the reason briefly.
Please stop distorting! One fact you can search and easily find the this.Turkey and Northen Iraqi authorities fought against PKK-Terrorist Organization together.and Turkey and Northen Iraqi authorities signed an aggrement to fight against terrorism.That's what Turkey is there.

let me correct your propaganda :) TURKEY AND KRG FOUGHT AGAINST TERRORISM(PKK) IN THE PAST!!!

"an independent and unaffiliated commentator" or Kurdish racist? i prefer to say Kurdish racist.that's better
:)

"50 million Kurds all over the world" i suppose this is not enough let's make it 70 million all around the middle-east except Kurdish diaspora.Sorry i forgot it cause in the future you are gonna ask for Kurdish genocide :) Same theatre play
Actually the number of Kurdish people doesnot disturb Turkish people.Kurdish originated people made many things with Turkish people in the history.

"to expel those foreign aggressors" blablabla Turkey and Northern Iraqi Authorities have common and powerful relationships.They have now two choices 1-to support or let PKK go in their district 2-As known in the past to have good relatinships and work together with their neighbours.


"What logic and philosophy , judges that PKKs who are genuine defensive Kurds"
Talabani and Barzani's logic and philosophy judges and confirms that PKK is a terrorist organization and they donot support either want existency of PKK in their district.Check PUKMedia or watch few tvchannels.


"why they allowed the Turkish parliament , to approve this ridiculous bill to intrude and attack KRG unanimously " IT IS NOT KRG .IT IS PKK-THE TERRORISTS .FUNNY BOY.
if it were so Talabani and Barzani would be nuts.Talabani and Barzani still visit Turkey to make negatiations.Do you think that they support PKK or terrorist? Do you think that they want to lose Turkey support? Turkey has made many investmenst and supported them.They also know and declare this fact except few terrorist or their supporters.

TO VICTORIA:


"there were no numbers- the only numbers were that out of 27,000 displaced kurds- only 12,000 received monetary compensation from the truksih government."

Turkish government and military displace many villages to protect people from PKK-TERRORISM.Because of that Diyarbakir is now a huge village instead of city.PKK-Terrorism destroyed Kurdish originated people in south-eastern part of Turkey.Children cannot go to their schools,nurses are killed,policemen are killed ,soldiers are killed.Only purpose of PKK is to prevent all support and investments done by government to those areas in order to make its propaganda reasonable.

TO Sarbask Soran : :

Mike Green is a footbal player? or rugby?

this is the first crap:
"Turkey is not pleased with the development of greater autonomy for the Kurds in Iraq. Last weekend, the Turkish military shelled areas of northern Iraq. Most Americans have no idea why, nor do they care"

how do you know that most americans have no idea? America has been neighbour to Turkey after Iraqi war.Two allies ,Two NATO allies,Two NATO allies who involved together also in Afganistan.
What kind of reality is this? do you think that this is a kind of game? you know nothing about
internatioanal relationships.It's impossible America doesnot have any idea.

second crap:
"Turkey is not pleased with the development of greater autonomy for the Kurds in Iraq"
This guy easily can ask Barzani and Talabani What kind of investments and supports Turkey has done till now northern Kurdish authorities.There are many turkish companies investments in Northern Iraqi.

Anyone who tries to destroy relationships between Turkey and Northern Iraqi Authorities could claim this.As PKK-Terrorist Organisation tries nowadays.PKK tries or supposes that Northern Iraqi Authorities,Iraqi Governemnt or either USA let PKK go further their terrorism

H.S.Soran:

TURKEY HAS ALREADY ATTACKED AND INTRUDED KRG !!!


Above unexpected "article title", may be quite surprising for most readers , but in fact , it is seen and/or heard by majority of us , indirectly or even directly , confessed by Kurdish authorities , so is considered as an undeniable reality .

In order to avoid dissipating the precious time of diligent and savant readers, by repetitive arguments , I very briefly remind them , that even some KRG high ranking authorities , have confirmed repeatedly , that some Turkish troops are already stationed there from relatively long time ago ; and in recent days , in most of respective news bulletins , we have seen and head r , that KRG's territory is attacked by Turkish artillery shelling etc , even they demonstrate such shelling and attack scenes , in TV and other media reports etc . So , by analyzing and briefing the above news , which are officially verified by KRG authorities , we are sure that " TURKEY HAS ALREADY ATTACKED AND INTRUDED KRG !!! " .

As an independent and unaffiliated commentator , I deem the KRG authorities are seriously expected , not only to prevent Turkey to expand its previous mischief and malicious intervention , but also to close the old Turkish bases there ; and to retaliate any artillery or whatever attack , on KRG region , by any possible defensive means .


50 million Kurds all over the world along with nearly all the rational population of the glob , at 6 continents , will support the legitimate rights of Kurdish leaders , to expel those foreign aggressors ; and stop military daily routine attacks at Kurdistan.

What logic and philosophy , judges that PKKs who are genuine defensive Kurds , shall leave KRG soil which is part of Great Kurdistan , but Turkey's malignant army, must stay there ? If , in fact in Turkish ( Turkland's ) parliament , there are 80 Kurdish parliamentarians , why they allowed the Turkish parliament , to approve this ridiculous bill to intrude and attack KRG unanimously ? Why so called central Federal Republic of Iraq must unite with Turkey against PKK ?, Why Turkey and other neighboring countries shall have military bases there , why King ( President ) B. Asad is allowed to intervene and support such jungle ratification ? And many other questions , which are the token of Turkey's fascism nature , that require very serious and perhaps obligatory Kurdish sanguine reaction . This is a significant dilemma , which challenges the political fate of 50 million Kurds , at the commencement of 3rd millennium .

Aran:

go to the Human Rights Group website...and see the crimes of the Turkish state against the Kurds. As the Turkish movie YOL stated in the eighties..Turkey IS A BIG PRISION,,,rub by the mightt Turkish general thugs. Those thugs are vicious, rutlhess, and criminal. If there is any justice in the world left..the Turkish miltary junta need to be taken to the Hague, Netherland to gace genocide Kurds against the Kurds.

Aran:

go to the Human Rights Group website...and see the crimes of the Turkish state against the Kurds. As the Turkish movie YOL stated in the eighties..Turkey IS A BIG PRISION,,,rub by the mightt Turkish general thugs. Those thugs are vicious, rutlhess, and criminal. If there is any justice in the world left..the Turkish miltary junta need to be taken to the Hague, Netherland to gace genocide Kurds against the Kurds.

Perdey Hafezey:

October 20, 2007

LONDON, UK, -- Mr Dave Anderson, the UK Member of Parliament for Blaydon, on Friday, in the House of Commons expressed his deep concern about Turkey’s recent vote authorising a military incursion into the Kurdistan Region in Iraq.

The Turkish parliament Wednesday approved a motion authorizing military strikes for a one-year period against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which uses bases in border mountains in Kurdistan 'northern Iraq' for attacks on targets across the border in Turkey.

The Labour MP called for a debate on the current situation in Kurdistan by tabling an Early day motion (EDM). He asked fellow MPs to back his motion that the House of Commons “deplores Turkish shelling of villages inside the Kurdistan Region in Iraq on the Iraq-Turkey border…is deeply concerned that a Turkish incursion could jeopordise the economy of the Kurdistan Region, the most secure and prosperous part of Iraq where Turkish trade and investment has been instrumental to economic growth”.
Mr Dave Anderson, the UK Member of Parliament for Blaydon

Mr Anderson also noted that the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) seeks no conflict with Turkey and considers friendly relations with Turkey its top priority. He said he believed that problems and disagreements should be solved through diplomacy and dialogue based on the principle of non-interference in the affairs of others, rather than threats of military force.

The MP for Blaydon stressed that he deplored recent terrorist attacks in Turkey and supported mediation with Iraq to find a comprehensive political solution. He hoped that other UK MPs would sign his motion over the next few days to indicate that they share his concerns about a possible Turkish incursion.

Mr Anderson is a member of Labour Friends of Iraq, which supports democracy and labour rights for all Iraqis. In 2006 he led a Labour Friends of Iraq fact-finding mission to the Kurdistan Region, where he met many Kurdish and Iraqi trade unionists.

Sarbask Soran :

The Kurds' fight for freedom 20.10.2007
By Mike Green - The contents of this article reflect the author's personal opinions

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October 20, 2007

The Kurds have learned not to trust America.

Today, Turkey runs raids into Iraq, killing the Kurds despite their alliance with the United States. But it ought not come as a surprise to anyone except the American public — which remains virtually clueless about the extent of the relationship between the U.S. and a people of the Middle East whose country truly was "wiped off the map" by western forces.

The Kurds are an estimated 40 million people still fighting for the independence they lost when their land, Kurdistan, was wiped off the map by the British following WWI. After Britain carved up the Middle East into artificial nations, the Kurds awakened to find themselves living in Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran.

Still, the Kurds retained their heritage as people of Kurdistan.

Thus, began the Kurdish battle for independence — the greater majority of which reside in Turkey and Iraq. Their story ought to be of considerable interest to the American public, since the fate of the Kurds is a core issue in the complex quagmire created by the Bush-Clinton-Bush cabal when it sought to control Iraq by military means beginning in 1990 and continuing to the present day.

Backstabbers

A few months prior to NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, U.S. intelligence was assisting Turkey in the capture of the Kurdish rebel leader Abdullah Ocalan. He was eventually taken into custody in Kenya with the assistance of the United States.

Greece was infuriated. The Kurds have long enjoyed support from the Greek Orthodox Church, which sympathized with their plight. Greece, which is a member of NATO, threatened to provide jamming codes for NATO (U.S.) bombers to Russia.

Backlash

Months later, rescuers in Yugoslavia used shovels to scoop up the remains of children in the aftermath of a massive NATO bombing campaign gone awry. American officials denied criticism that its bombing of Yugoslavia created massive civilian casualties. After the war, the U.S. military admitted that a majority of its bombings failed to hit desired targets. It also claimed that Greece did not provide jamming codes to Russia.

Back to Iraq

Meanwhile, U.S. forces were using a Turkish air base to launch bombing raids into Iraq. The criticism regarding civilian casualties was again dismissed by the U.S. military.

Iraq's northern sector, where the majority of Kurds lived, has long been guarded by the U.S., acquired during the invasion of Iraq in 1991. In return for relative safety, the Kurds worked with the CIA and the U.S. military to conduct operations against Saddam Hussein throughout the 90s.

Two Kurdish leaders led separate rival factions. Massoud Barzani was in charge of the Kurdistan Democratic Party, while Jalal Talabani led the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Talabani was appointed as president of Iraq less than two years after U.S. forces invaded in 2003.

Recent history

The massacre sustained by the Kurds in 1988 when Saddam used chemical weapons — procured from the United States — to gas a village of innocent victims, was reminiscent of yet another time the Kurds sustained a brutal massacre at the hands of Saddam Hussein.

In the 1974 uprising of the Kurds against Saddam's Kurdish Autonomy Law, it was the Iranian Shah's support — at the behest of Henry Kissinger — that helped the Kurds. But after Saddam agreed to sign the Algiers accord with the Shah — moving the boundary between the two nations giving Iran half of a river necessary for transporting oil to the Persian Gulf — Iranian support for the Kurds was withdrawn and they were left to suffer their fate.

Turkey dilemma

Today, if the U.S. is successful in manipulating political forces in Iraq into changing the Oil Constitution to favor local geographic controls, the Kurds may benefit from economic opportunities such control brings — perhaps even a Kurdish state, which will likely invoke war from Turkey.

Turkey is not pleased with the development of greater autonomy for the Kurds in Iraq. Last weekend, the Turkish military shelled areas of northern Iraq. Most Americans have no idea why, nor do they care.

But Americans should be concerned. Because the reality is that it is the involvement of the U.S. in the internal affairs of both Iran and Iraq since the end of WWII that has helped to create the current state of affairs that most Americans allege is simply due to a mentality of religious fanaticism.

America has no business in the Middle East. And with each passing day, our military presence causes the complexities of the issues in the region to worsen. In the end, those who side with America will find that such an alliance is temporary and dangerous. Just ask the Kurds.

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Aras:

To Turkish junta please take this advice:
If your IQ hits 60 sell!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To Turkish junta: They said your were an asset to Turkey..BUT THEY ARE OFF BY TWO LETTERS....

TO Kurdo: :

"Dear turk let me be clear with you, Turks and Turkey has many enemies, as you know, Armenian,Grece,Kurdistan, we will hunting you all over the world..."

what is the difference between you and Usame Bin Laden? also Laden is hunting americans all over the world? america has many enemies too.i rahter suggest you prepare a video and publish on the internet

you poor little guy :) do not worry have lots of Armenian,Greek,Kurdish friends in Turkey and elsewhere.Democracy and human
rights are not for you .you need civilisation.

TO Kurdo::


No need to say moreabout you? with your words you are a big terrorist.shame on you

For centuries Kurdish people were part of Turkish history like the others.We have many Kurdish people living in Turkey in peace more educated more having high-life standards than other Kurdish people in middle-east.

TO ARAN::

"They have terrorized, killed, massacred many civilians. Just read reports from Amnesty Internation and Human rights watch"
where are those reports? i just wonder and want to read

"You can dream about Kirkuk but can never have it. This princess is the heart of Kurdistan"
in the history Kerkuk(kirkuk) was a part of Ottoman Empire.so we donot need to dream about?

But you cannot claim that Kerkuk(Kirkuk) is a part of Kurdistan.Kerkuk(kirkuk) is a part of Iraqi.Many Turkmen(Turcomans) and Arabs live there.You cannot legallize your "dream" moving people to Kerkuk(kirkuk) or playing with population records.
do you have any idea about what Turkmen(Turcomans) and Arabs think about current situation in Kerkuk(kirkuk) ?

When Saddam husein was attacking and killing Northern Kurdish People, Turkish Army helped Kurdish People not you or kind of fanatics.Do you know that Turkey government constructed many houses,apartments in Diyarbakir,Bingol etc for the escaping people from Saddam Huseyin.Do you know that Turkey government helped Mr Talabani and Barzani?


Turkey has still army forces in northern Iraqi.do you know that? Also Norhern Kurdish People(Talabani and Barzani) are aware of this.Turkey could reserve more than existing if wished.But Turkey respected to unity of Iraqi and still.Turkey doesnot have dreams like you fanatics.But Turkey doesnot let you make Kerkuk(kirkuk) "princess" :) because of the rights of Turkmen(Turcomans) and also donot worry whole iraqi will not you make small dreams.Policatically it is impossible.

kurdo:

Ahmad zand what about the other maps of europe, europe union, when they showed Kurdistan and kurdish population as europe, they never apologized, they did with purpose, they arent stupid as you are.....

kurdo:

Turkish goverment should pay all armenians and kurdish famile whom their relatives died during the genocide.
Dear turk let me be clear with you, Turks and Turkey has many enemies, as you know, Armenian,Grece,Kurdistan, we will hunting you all over the world...

TO Ahmad Zand: :

"the Turkish military has made use of chemical weapons against the Kurds and PKK lately"

where are these funny reports? are you nuts? what kind of dreampower do you have ? if you intend to make propaganda please be reasonable :) How many do Kurdish originated people live in Turkey? do you know that?

lesson 1 for you: PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION and Kurds are totally different.

you should have known more about Turkey cause you make propaganda here.you should know or guess the number of Kurdish People in Turkey and these people do not support PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

lesson 2:there has not been Turkish Kurdistan in the history and will not exist in the future.
This is the propaganda of PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
by the way do you support PKK-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION?


let's talk about reality.in italy in NATO school a professor shows a map which claims "Turkish Kurdistan".All the NATO members including USA and EU apologized Turkey and warned the professor and made sure that this would not happen in the future.

Kurdo:

first of all we won`t pay others actions no matter who they are? If pkk counting as terrorist then turkish army and ledears are the bigest terrirost in the world, why ? we all know why! how many years and decades has turkish b astards killed innocent kurdish people for nothing execpt being kurds.Pkk should never leave Iraq and they won`t no matter how Turkey struggle. All you turks wants is killing innocent people, you think you will be able to do that what you have done in the pass, forgett about that not even dream about that, What I can assure you is that one daye your leaders and special Tanso Chiller will be hanged by kurds and honest turks in the capital of Turkey.

maxiths :

Hasan can from Turkey, you know here in the U.S. of America, we have a saying!
"Your a dead Turkey at the farm"
You want to kill Kurds in General because they want their independance? How stupid can you get man, Haven't your country done enough killing?
so many genocides, the Assyrians, the Armenians, the Palestinians, the Cypriots, the Greeks, and even yes the Syrians. and more.
Do you think,(not that you do think!) that people are going to let this go? If they do, then they deserve everything their ancestors got, but i don't see them letting it go and saying lets bury the past!! No body forgets thats god's LAW!!!God created this people and the Turks destroyd God's creation, Thus soon you will face God's wrath for your sins and your people will burn in Hell!

We have been nice to your people but now thats over, the senate and the congress will soon realize that it doesn"t pay to keep you back stabers as friends.
Remember the Earth quake that put a city under the water, Remember the floods and drouts,
don't think its over.
It's not over until we tell you it's over.

Turkey will split in fours, and if i was U, i would stay close to the sea.
If the Kurds have gone nuclear what would you do?

Kani:

Behind the Turkey-Kurdish Conflict

SearchWarp.com - By Stephen John Morgan

The Kurds are an ancient people tracing their roots back to 3000 B.C. With over 40 million Kurds estimated to be spread out in a arc of territory stretching from Syria across Turkey and Iran, they are considered to be the world’s largest ethnic group without their own homeland.

At the end of the 1 st World War their territories fell victim to the redrawing of the map of the Middle East leaving them dived and stateless. They have survived because of their national pride and culture, which, despite differences in linguistic dialects, allow them to share a common language, folklore, music and festivals distinct from their Arabic, Persian and Turkish oppressors.

For the last century they have resisted all attempts to viciously suppress their identity from banning of their language and the right to hold Kurdish names as in Turkey, who until recently refused to even recognize their existence as distinct form other Turks. And worse still when they became the victims of mass killings during the regime of Saddam Hussein.

But times are changing and largely because of the relative peace and prosperity enjoyed in the autonomous region of northern Iraqi Kurdistan. Ever since 1991, they have enjoyed a level of self-government through the British and US no-fly zone and since the fall of Hussein the country has flourished economically, politically and culturally. Although key participants in the Iraqi government, they already enjoy virtual independence. They have control over their own substantial oil fields and the Army and Police are made up overwhelmingly of former Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga guerrillas – ferocious mountain fighters over whom the central Iraqi government and military has no control or capacity to challenge and whom the US has had to depend on for cooperation in sustaining peace in the North.

Turkey charges that the Iraqi Kurdish authorisations are harbouring and allowing thousands PKK guerrillas (Turkish separatist Kurdish insurgents) on their territory from which they are able to find safe haven, raise finances, take advantage of the possibilities to organize and to instigate cross border raids on Turkey across the Candil mountains which separate the two countries. Iran has also made similar complaints against the Pejak group of Iranian Kurdish guerrillas who are attacking Iran and Iran has already retaliated with incursions and attacks on their bases. (The Pejak group although formerly a terrorist organisation is supported by the CIA as part of US efforts to de-stabilize the Iranian regime.)

In Eastern Turkey some 37,000 people have died in the conflict over Kurdish rights. The PKK has recently increased its attacks on Turkish troops and civilian, the deaths of some 13 troops and 30 civilians recently has outraged Turkish public opinion and added to pressure for Turkish incursions and/or an all-out invasion of Iraqi Kurdistan. Last weeks vote by the Turkish parliament to give permission to the Turkish army to invade or take any measures necessary against the threat from the PKK has stemmed from theses recent events.

However, the underlying reasons for Turkey considering an invasion lie in the pole of attraction, which Kurdish Iraq acts as for the 15 million Kurds within Turkey’s borders. Iraqi Kurdistan attacks as a magnet drawing together the Kurdish Diaspora and offering hope of a unified independent homeland for all Kurds. This is literally fuelled by the enormous oil wealth Iraqi Kurdistan posses and which makes a homeland a feasible economic, social and cultural potentiality.

Although the present Kurdish leaders proclaim that they are content with autonomy the situation remains extremely volatile. Especially because of the internal issue of Kirkuk, a city on the frontier of Kurdistan which is largely Kurdish, but with large Sunni and Shiite and Turkoman minorities. The city has huge oil wealth and it will be subject to a referendum before the end of the year, after which it is likely that the Kurds will proclaim it their capital instead of Erbil. The inter-communal violence that may ensue is added to the threat of Turkish incursions. Turkey is vehemently opposed to Kirkuk becoming formerly Kurd as it would be seen as the final jewel in the oil crown that could lay the basis for overall independence for Iraqi Kurdistan. This will especially be the case if the situation in Southern Iraq and the country as a whole continues to deteriorate and the government is trapped in stalemate, especially over the distribution of oil wealth nationally.

An imminent invasion is not ruled out after the parliamentary vote (some 507 to 19 in favour), but the coming winter snows across the mountain ranges makes it a less viable option than Spring time. It is probable that incursions and attacks by Special Forces will be stepped up with the use of aerial bombardment at the moment. An all-out invasion would not necessarily be successful and the Turkish troops could find themselves as bogged down as US forces are I the rest of Iraq.

Thousands of PKK guerrillas are said to be massing in the mountains to counter-attack and if the Turks were to invade they could find themselves in combat with formidable and well-armed troops of the former Iraqi Peshmerga guerrillas, with the official forces of the Iraqi army and police, which they control, engaging in combat with the Turks. Mayhem would follow and the Iraqi government and US forces would be helpless to intervene. Furthermore, such an invasion, which is openly supported by Syria, could embolden both Syrian and, especially Iranian forces, to likewise invade, in order to carve up the area between them - de facto-redrawing the map of the centre of the Middle East.

The US and Iraq have vehemently opposed any moves and have tried vainly to promise to somehow clamp down on the PKK activities in the region. But these are viewed as hollow promises, without the means or will to back them up and measures which are already to little and too late. To make matters worse the recent vote in the Congress to name the mass murder of Armenians by Turks in 1915 an act of genocide has further infuriated Turkish sentiments and alienation from the US. This could result in the closure of vital air roots that supply some 70% of the US war effort in Iraq, creating a logistical disaster for the US.

The Kurdish issue will not be waved away by some magic wand of diplomacy. War is inevitable at some point in the near future. But fighting the proud and aspiring Kurds may prove to be an even greater debacle for the Turks and their neighbours than even Iraq is for the US.

Aran:

I am against the violence. I do not condone it. But the preamble of the constitution of the greatest on earth states that when freedom is denied it is not only your duty but your right to fight the evil. There sew more devilis institutions than than the criminal fascist miltary ganh of Turkey. Turks & Kurds are brither & neighbors. But the Turkish miltary gang just wants Kurdistan's destruction.

Aran:

The real terrorists are the Turkish criminal gang known as Turkish military junta. They have terrorized, killed, massacred many civilians. Just read reports from Amnesty Internation and Human rights watch. Then you know the ruthlessness of the thugs that wear miltary uniform in Turkey. You can dream about Kirkuk but can never have it. This princess is the heart of Kurdistan and will never be given away to the frongs of the Turkish miltary junta.

Bugaloo:

That Kurd Terrorist Organisation killed 50.000 Turks in 25 years. If that terrorists killed American people, what do you thik?

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

to RACHEL

Dear Rachel you hae said that "Kurds who are among the most tolerant of ethnic groups in the Middle East".

Kurdish terrorists killed 30.000 people in Turkey and USA, EU and UN declaired PKK as a terrorist gruop and N.Iraqi kurds are supporting them and you call them "TOLERANT"..??
Check you dictionary for the meaning of tolerance please.

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

i just can't keep myself from writing..:)
i read a kurd writing a poem.. (wooaaawww ;) )
i have one for you too :))))))))))

K illing innocent is your pass time activity,
U never care about humanity, u live insanity,
R acism is the drug that keeps you happy,
D evil is what you worship, oh what a pitty!
I am just watching you from top of a hill,
S atan is with you and you hail and kill,
T urks were send to earth to destroy the ill,
A nd protect the victims of your insane will,
N ever again you shall kill and u should chill!

:)))

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

LAST WEEK KURDISH TERRORISTS FIRED A BUS AND KILLED 14 PEOPLE INCLUDING 1 KID.. AND THEY WERE ALL KURDS WHO HAS REJECTED HELP TERRORRIST.

WHAT MORE DO YOU HAVE TO SAY?

YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU DESERVE.

-JUSTICE FOR ALL IS COMIND DOWN ON YOU, YOU ARE THE CHILDREN OF BABYLON AND EVEN THE CENTURIES PASS YOU CAN NOT CHANGE FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS-

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

I am reading all the lies here about Turkey. Someone can not fight against a lie because, a lier can make up 1000 stroies more. I read about Turkey using chemical weapons! sooooo youR lies can go that far.

WE DONT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST SO WE WONT TALK TO YOU ANYMORE. SEE YOU SOON IN KERKUK :)

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

TURKEY IS A CANDIDATE OF EU.
TO BE ABLE TO BE A CANDIDATE YOU HAVE TO HAVE 100% PERCENT FREEDOM AND HUMANRIGHTS.

SO TO THE LIERS HERE. ALL THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ARE LYING AND YOU TELL THE TRUTH THAT IN TURKEY THERE IS NO FREEDOM??

EU,USA,UN DECLAIRED THAT PKK IS TERRORIST AND KURDISTAN IS THE HAVEN FRO DRUGS/WEAPONS TRADE AND YOU SAY THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS LYING AND YOU KNOW THE TRUTH?

WAKE UP BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE WAKES YOU UP!

Rizgar:

What is threatening Turkish National Security: Independent Kurdistan, Kirkuk, or Freedom?

By: Amed Demirhan
Feb 6, 2005

Turkish Politician, military leader and jingoistic media for years have been focused in Southern Kurdistan and Kirkuk issue in Iraq. Almost every word they use in this context is shameful and racist except they don’t have guts like Western countries racist openly stands for their primitive inhuman ideology. In fact despite using “Turkishness” as an identity they are biggest enemy of the Turks and every statement they make in regards to the Kurds they further divide Kurds and Turks and other ethnic groups. The Kemalist Republic from its foundation has declared Anatolian people as enemy of the state by calling them “Islamist = Irticaci”, declaring Kurds as separatist, strongly prohibiting Alavi religions practices, going as far forcing people to give up their traditional dress and way of life, and enforcing a perverted uniformity; in the name of modernity. Therefore the Kemalist state has never been representative of free will of people of Turkey and they don’t have legitimacy to speak on behalf of Turkish people. Let see if their claim makes any sense to any reasonable person?

The claim if Kurds in Southern Kurdistan (Iraqi Kurdistan) declare independent this will threaten Turkey’s national security: How come a newly independent country with five – six million population will threaten a country relatively developed and with 70 million population and member of NATO? One wonders if any one could find any rational in this statement? OK, I can hear one will ask about what about Kurds in Northern Kurdistan? As long Turkey is not willing to share the state and let Kurds, other ethnic, and religious groups become stakeholders in the state they will be against state regardless what happened anywhere far or near. They will try to free themselves from oppression and tyranny. The fundamental fear here the freedom for Kurds on the other side of border and free Iraq.

Claim of Turkmen’s right in Kirkuk: No one can claim that Turkmen in Kirkuk or any where in Iraq has less rights now than under Saddam’s regime, like vast majority of Iraqi and Kurdistani Turkmen’s have more rights now than before. In fact Turkmen in Iraq has more rights than Turks in Turkey because unlike Turks in Turkey they have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of worship the way they choose. Turkmen never had this kind of freedom in their modern history like most Iraqis. Turkish government never defended Turkmen’s rights against Saddam’s oppression.

Pre Minister Recep Tayip Erdogan (RTE) in his 2/01/2005 statement in regard to Iraq stated: “…. we don’t approve domination of any ethnic groups over the other. We have stated that we don’t think its right for any religion sect to dominate other sects…” I couldn’t agree more with Mr. Pre Minister but he was talking about wrong country – Iraq, he should have said this for Turkey. In liberated Iraq every social, ethnic, cultural, religious, and political groups had chance to participate in free election despite terrorist threat. For example religious parties in Iraq did not have to pretend they are not religious like Mr. Pre Minister and his party, every ethnic groups in Iraq including Turkmen proudly displayed their ethnic heritage with out fear from the state and with out pretension to be something else. No Iraqi politician was jailed or prohibited for running for office because of his or her political, religious or ethnic background except those who committed crime during Saddams regime. Does any one could honorably claim this set of freedom exist in Turkey?

It is no wonder that Turkish government has been most critical government against Iraqi liberation and has been supporting and prorogating for the terrorist in central Iraq. In my knowledge Turkey is only Middle East country that have frequently organized protest demonstrations against Iraqi liberation and founded organizations openly collecting money for the terrorist in Iraq. The jingoist media is full of falls stories against American lead coalitions liberation forces and free Iraqi forces. Freedom is most powerful human desire and no government can stop that for too long. Free Iraq is already becoming a source of inspiration for people in the region and hopefully in near future people of Turkey will have the same freedom: The Alavi, Kurds, Yoruk, Turkmen, Arabs, Cherkez, Laz, Bahai, Jewish, Armenian and all other groups will be able freely express themselves, freely worship or not worship, and young Turkish women will be able proudly dress like their mothers or grand mothers if they choose so in Universities or work places. For the freedom loving people in Turkey and Kurdistan “freedom is forward marching” and it has reached to next door, listen you will hear it. Don’t let those oriental despots mislead you with their racism, and jingoism, we are going to be free, soon.

Amed Demirhan

e-mail: ameddemirhan@hotmail.com

Florida, USA
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Ahmad Zand:

To Hakan Demir

According to some reports, the Turkish military has made use of chemical weapons against the Kurds and PKK lately. An investigation is in full swing by the EU court of HRs. What Turkey did and doing in Turkish Kurdistan against the Kurds is ten times more than what Saddam did. The only disparity is they have not been disclosed yet.

Hakan Demir:

When Saddam Huseyin attacked Kurdish people with chemical guns,who opened the borders? who helped those people? did Turkey query the etnic roots or language they speak while still struggling against PKK terrorism? do kurdish people in northern iraqi or kurdish fanatics forget? what kind of speeches are these? are you aware that you support terrorism cause usa and eu recognized PKK as a terrorist organisation? or shall all countries look at their own windows? let's call taliban as afganistan seperatist or al-quade as iraqi rebels instead terrorists? is iraqi a member of NATO? who supports NATO and its allies in the war against global terrorism? let's assume that in turkish newspapers would you like to read comments like al-quade or taliban supporting comments or article? do any of american people stand on reading? Turkey is not a middle-east country.You cannot change history or reality with voting or propaganda.Democracy should be well-uderstood and is not a gun for extremists or terrorist organizations.USA should think about Hamas elections.Words and terminology are easy to use but donot forget innocent people are died and pay this bill whatever you want to believe in.if you worry about killed people in New York,you should worry about the killed people in izmir,turkey or the nato soldiers in afganistan or turkish soldiers in Turkey.Addresses could change but method is the same terrorism.Unfortunately terrorism is not a local issue anymore.

Erdem HIZIR:

Guys guys guys....

It is so simple;
Do not try to judge a country over which there has not been any research over Armenian issue especially when all turkish society says there is no genocide. You do have an option to say to them that they have been lying. In order to prove so hear out what Turkey had said: 'make an international panel of fair historians' call all the countries to open up their archives and run a decision then". Well it seems like a fair option. I truly believe that that is a very good suggestion.
I call a german genocide a real genocide as it was made clear in Nuremberg by all law authorities with all necessary evidence. This is the way to deal with these kind of issues. Not through bunch of politicians who are dying to get more votes by adressing to wishes what a minority wants to say out. By the way for your info The highest Armenian official guy regarding religion in Turkey "Patriarch of Turkish Armenians Mesrob Mutafyan II " truly accepts there was not such a case in the history as exagerated. By the way when he was called to USA for a conference he was not allowed to say his saying because of the heavy opposition of American Armenians.
Additionally, just suppose that 7000 armed american mexicans think that Texas should be an independent state and they start a war against America and kills regularly 15-20 american soldiers per two weeks by crossing border from Mexica to USA and get back after killngs. All Mexican central officials say that they are against these kind of actions but they cannot do anything to the camps of these people and cannot deliver those to you because they are from the same roots with different opinions.

I guess you got the clear picture.
In order to realize some plans one has to prove the world that their thinking is true witl all fair possible evidence.
With best regards

SALIH:

To eamad j mazouri:
Eamad, I don't know if you've kept with the news for the past 10 years, but in fact, PKK was virtually eliminated between 1999-2004. All the operations were made prior to 1999.
In 1999, we caught the leader of the terrorist organization PKK, Abdullah Ocalan with the help of CIA. (I appreciate and I give them my best regards for their help)For 5 years they didn't attack us and there were virtually very small number of terrorists left, so we didn't want to spend our energy on pursuing them, but improving the situation for Kurdish people.
Now they have many privileges which they didn't have before. And yes, there are many more to do, especially in socio-economical structure of the Kurdish region. That region is really poor.
But After the invasion of Iraq by the US, they've restarted setting attacks on Turkey. Since 2004, we are asking the Iraqi government, Kurdish Regional Government and USA to stop them attacking us.
In fact we understand that USA cannot do much by herself alone. And Iraqi government has no power outside the Green Zone in Baghdad. So the Kurdish Regional Government is the most responsible party here. If Kurdish Regional Government doesn't give them shelter, they can't attack Turkey from their soils. Although logic says that they're sheltered by their fellow Kurds there, we still want to differentiate Kurds and Terrorists. About 5000 Kurds are terrorists. The others not.
Think of one thing, Turkey spent 150 Billion Dollars during the height of the attacks, between 1984 and 1999 for security measures in the region.
Now Turkey has international debt of about the same amount. Since the end of attack in 1999 till now, the state and private investment to the South Eastern region, where Kurds live mostly tenfold the previous 80 years of the Republic.
As Terrorist organization PKK restarted its attacks on us using Iraq, (or if you prefer Kurdistan, specifically) its causing us harm because the investment will halt as a result of deteriorating security. As people are dying here, there's an intense pressure on both army and government to do something to stop it, so we are now at the brink of attacking Iraq, which will be bad for the Kurds there too.
Can you tell me, from all these I stated, is it better we spend all the money we will spend in the following years to build a wall between Iraq and us, or spend that money to people who need it more?
Is it better to cooperate with the Kurdish Regional Government and helping them more, such as providing them cheap electricity or shall we increase its price because we can't afford to subsidize it?
Is it better for Kurdish Regional Government to be a good neighbor and not let any attacks on us or shall we go there and do the cleaning, and during the course, as an inevitable outcome of any war around the world, clash with the people living there for the past couple millenia?
I think the best solution is KRG will just tell the PKK to pack up and go somewhere as far as possible. As I stated earlier, they even don't need to hand them over us. They can judge them if they want. They can contain them. They can even continue politics, as long as their hands aren't bloody.
That's my final post about the topic. I hope I'm clear enough.
By the way, we may be the "Barbarian Turks" but still we first prefer negotiation, before entering the China Shop.

eamad j mazouri:

To mr. Garak
Kurds were never " the Turks' willing executioners of the Armenians".Kurds were the helpless citizens of the Ottoman Empire that massacred Christian people.The only thing was that Kurds were Muslims and fell on the other side when the empire portrayed the whole thing as a war between muslims and infidels or rather it a massacre of the infidels (Gawir)the term Turkey used.Of course many Kurds got involved especially Hamidya Knights who Sultan Andulhamid set up from some Kurdish tribes for his own purposes, and they never represented the mass Kurdish people who were oppressed, denied and deprived of their rights.

Mehmet Sag:

None of the comments so far bears a shred of truth. The untold fact of the matter is hidden within the abject and ignoble exploitation of the West -infinitely greedy and totally inhumane systems of the West.

People of the world, wake up and do not kill one another. Each time a trigger is pulled, the West earns the price of that bullet plus one enemy's abilities diminised.

USA, UK, EU, Russia, China and Japan must come to their senses and forsee the future of this planet being screwed up.

eamad j mazouri:

To mr. Garak
Kurds were never " the Turks' willing executioners of the Armenians".Kurds were the helpless citizens of the Ottoman Empire that massacred Christian people.The only thing was that Kurds were Muslims and fell on the other side when the empire portrayed the whole thing as a war between muslims and infidels or rather it a massacre of the infidels (Gawir)the term Turkey used.Of course many Kurds got involved especially Hamidya Knights who Sultan Andulhamid set up from some Kurdish tribes for his own purposes, and they never represented the mass Kurdish people who were oppressed, denied and deprived of their rights.

eamad j mazouri:

To Mr. salih
If the issue is pkk, allow me to say this.
There are 4 Turkish military bases in Iraqi Kurdistan currently.What would call this cooperation or not.
Second to prove to you that this is not about pkk, Military option was exrcized in the 1990's with an ok from US and cooperation from Kurds. This action didn't achieve anything as it will accomplish anything now, especially if Turkey does it on her own and against everybody's objections.
A short while back Turkey's Chief of Staff and the Commander of Land Forces clearly stated that need to take counter measures to Kurdistan Regional Government.Their concern was not pkk, article 140 or Turkmans but the very rights Kurds have gained in Iraqi Kurdistan.This is what worries the Kurds most.

Maxiths:

The evil among us, is not the people, but those that manipulate the people.
Turkish people are kind and good, at least the majority with the exception of the fanatical elements,like the grey wolves!
Now ther"s a bunch of manipulated bastards, that live in dark ages and operate in dark places, by beating up Kurds and others.
You can always tell who they are by the way they dress and by the way they look, Their faces are visibly crool, black rings around the eyes and when they turn to look at you, they bend their shoulders and turn their eyes first before the head!
These are the people that do the dirty work for the Goverment of Turkey, Then offcourse, the Goverment shows a little remorse, and then they go on planing for the next victums.
Interesting enough, there are no records of tortures by the Turkish Goverment and executions on record!!!!
I remember a young pregnant kurdish Girl in Instabul, getting beat up by a gang of Wolves and then she died. Because? she demonstrated for her rights!!!.
All this in the presence of the TURKISH POLICE!!!
Which i may add, were looking at this and loving it. (Very Heroic right)!!!

Friends and enemys, please rise up to this attrocities and fanatical behavior by any country!
Friends and enemys, please wise up and understand that "Nationalism is an extension of tribulism"!!!

Friends and enemys, please learn how to communicate with the people of other races and relegions, and base your conversation on how to survive all together by understanding the basic fundamentals of existence.

Friends and enemys, the people are not the enemy! but the Goverments with the lies and misconceptions, manipulating the idiots, and only the Idiots to do their dirty work!!
Turkey"s history on human rights is nothing to be proud off.
As long as we can understand the basic fundamentals of existance then and only then
will we be able to save the planet, respect one another, distribute and contribute wealth to all humans living on this planet, and punish yes punish in absentia those who dared to fanatisize, manipulate, rob, kill, humanity.
This will soon start. Join!!!


WORLD PARTY FOR COSMIC EQUILLIBRIUM.

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WE WILL NEVER FORGET SEYFO! The ASSYRIAN GENOCIDE:

Buy this book Gaunt, David. Massacres, Resistance, Protectors: Muslim-Christian Relations in Eastern Anatolia During World War I .. This is a new book and it has a lot of evidence that the kurds together with the turks committed a brutal genocide against the Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syriacs. I lost 80 % of my relatives in the genocide, this is unforgivable! u turks and kurds must return our lands to us! You must give us billions of dollars for our suffering and last of all you must recognize the genocide! South-eastern Turkey is ASSYRIA! North of Iraq is ASSYRIA. North east of Syria is ASSYRIA and north west of Iran is ASSYRIA. Great Britain u promised us this land but instead u let us become victims of genocide again 1933 in Simele (Irak)! USA u let us down in Iraq and now our people will be extinct. We Assyrians have no friends we are worlds martyrs and still people deny our existence and deny the genocide. We have nothing my friends, why can’t u just recognize the genocide so we can continue our live? I hope that it will come better days for Assyria because in the Bible Isaiah 19:24 it’s written In that day shall Israel be the third to the Egyptian and the Assyrian: a blessing in the midst of the land, Which the Lord of hosts hath blessed, saying: Blessed be my people of Egypt, and the work of my hands to the Assyrian: but Israel is my inheritance. And we will not forget Luke 11:32 The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. We the Assyrians are the men of Nineve and we will condemn all of u who have persecuted and exterminated us. WE WILL NEVER FORGET SEYFO!

Assyrian WE WILL NEVER FORGET SEYFO:

Buy this book Gaunt, David. Massacres, Resistance, Protectors: Muslim-Christian Relations in Eastern Anatolia During World War I .. This is a new book and it has a lot of evidence that the kurds together with the turks committed a brutal genocide against the Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syriacs. I lost 80 % of my relatives in the genocide, this is unforgivable! u turks and kurds must return our lands to us! You must give us billions of dollars for our suffering and last of all you must recognize the genocide! South-eastern Turkey is ASSYRIA! North of Iraq is ASSYRIA. North east of Syria is ASSYRIA and north west of Iran is ASSYRIA. Great Britain u promised us this land but instead u let us become victims of genocide again 1933 in Simele (Irak)! USA u let us down in Iraq and now our people will be extinct. We Assyrians have no friends we are worlds martyrs and still people deny our existence and deny the genocide. We have nothing my friends, why can’t u just recognize the genocide so we can continue our live? I hope that it will come better days for Assyria because in the Bible Isaiah 19:24 it’s written In that day shall Israel be the third to the Egyptian and the Assyrian: a blessing in the midst of the land, Which the Lord of hosts hath blessed, saying: Blessed be my people of Egypt, and the work of my hands to the Assyrian: but Israel is my inheritance. And we will not forget Luke 11:32 The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. We the Assyrians are the men of Nineve and we will condemn all of u who have persecuted and exterminated us. WE WILL NEVER FORGET SEYFO! The ASSYRIAN Genocide, the Armenian Genocide and the Pontic Greek Genocide 1915!

Aran:

An olive branch from Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). Will it satisy the war monger generals in Ankara? War is bad for al including Turkey & Kurdistan:


KRG official statement

The Kurdistan Regional Government of Iraq (KRG) is concerned by the decision of the Turkish Parliament granting a one-year authorisation for the Turkish government to conduct military operations in the Kurdistan Region in Iraq against the Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK).

We appeal to our friend and neighbour Turkey to refrain from military action in Iraq. The KRG seeks no conflict with Turkey. We do not and will not allow our territory to be used by anyone to attack or undermine Turkey or any of our neighbours. We do not interfere in the internal affairs of Turkey, and we expect the same in return.

The KRG condemns the killing of innocent people in Turkey and does not believe that violence solves any problem. The KRG supports a political process to achieve a comprehensive political solution to the problem of the PKK, which has lasted for 28 years. This problem will not be solved solely through military means. Indeed, a Turkish military attack on the Kurdistan Region of Iraq would make the situation worse, complicating the prospects for a political solution in Turkey and threatening the fragile progress that is being made in Iraq.

The KRG considers good relations with Turkey a top priority. The Turkish people are our friends and neighbours with whom we have much in common. Turkish trade and investment have been instrumental in our region's economic growth. Any problems or disagreements between the KRG and Turkey should be solved through diplomacy and dialogue. The KRG welcomes direct dialogue with Ankara on all issues of common interest or concern, including the PKK. An incursion would be detrimental to all Iraq, to Turkey and the Middle East.

KRG

VICTORIA:

i looked through the report on kurdish rights abuses by turkey linked by someone here- but i didnt find any statistics in it.

there were no numbers- the only numbers were that out of 27,000 displaced kurds- only 12,000 received monetary compensation from the truksih government.

i imagine it is truly a monumental task to try and make a census of a displaced peoples.

if i had the information, mr barzani- id investigate that too


it makes me very sad to see a poster here saying WE WILL NEVER FORGET

i live in new york, and i see this unforgiving and vengeful nonsnense on bumper stickers and hear it out of the mouths of parrots as they send the brown kids in america off to killthe brown kids in iraq.

i see turks today that want to live in the present, and i dont know any armenians, but i let a kurdish man stay in my home for several months when he came to america, and he spoke 5 languages and was as gentle a man as possible- he even married my girlfriend and i know he just wants to live in the present.

as an american mongrel, it is hard for me to understand why someone would want to recapture land or wealth their grandparents had.

i love my tiny little apartment, work for it, and dont anticipate any entitlement one way or the other.

i also had very very wealthy grandparents and uncles, but it is not my wealth- i didnt work for it and i dont deserve it.

i also can empathize, but not actually experience the suffering of my parents or those before me, so i cant claim it as my own suffering- it is not.

i had the opportunity to destroy my mothers murderer and i chose to forgive instead, and ive forgotten that too.

(without which forgiveness is an empty gesture)

i dont see how all this remembering is serving anyone anywhere

maybe some should forget before they infect their children with their anger and concentrate on teaching them to love in the here and now


Turkish-German-American:

Aran

I have looked in many of those green or blue eyes...I they are and were my friends, we have so much in common.

But polemic such as the "Turkish junta parliament" is not going to cut it.

Erdogan is a devoit moslem and is only tolerated by the military. Gul the new president devoted a Moslem is also not liked by the turkish military. Combining the ruling the AKP party and the secular turlish military is plain out wrong.

The first commander stepped out of line not to shake Gul's wife hand because she wore a head scarf.

You are forgettin remember Socrates' words...You don't know...

Aran:

On the eve of the war decision by Turkish junta's parliament, here is a poem on Kurdistan..the love of Kurds for Kurdistan from Abdulla Pashew

Wherever I see a mountain,
my heart beats faster..
because I believe that all the mountains of the world originate from my mountain,
Whenever I see a water spring
I drink from it slowly & respectfully
because I believe the source of all the world's waters comes from my water springs...
......
The eyes of European girl!!
be it blue or green ..I still love it
because from the greenest & bluest eyes
I see some darkness of a Kurdistan girl's eyes,.
Kurdistan,!!
'what are you...
like a cloud you cover my eyes..
you surround me from all sides...
When I think of you..
I see nothing: no God, no stars, no sun..
Either you, Kurdistan, are as big as universe..
or the Universe is as small as you

Aran:

The current menace in the region which is the threat of Turkish miltary intervension in Kurdistan shows the insecurity of Turkish junta. They want to be the bully of neighberhood...Kurdistan wants peace but is prepared to defend against the criinal manuvers of a criminal junta. Kurdistan has defended itself against invaders..just look at the graveyards of the previous occupiers.....A great Kurdish poet, Abdulla Pashew once wrote anout the huge sacrifices of Kurdistan this way:
Unknown Soldier

When a delegation goes to a country
they lay wreath of flowers on the unknown soldier,
if tomorrow
a delegation comes to our country
and asks me where is the grave of unknown soldier?
I say Sir!
on the banks of any river,
on the rocks of any mountain,
under the tree of any garden,
on the benches of any mosque and any church
under any piece of any sky
over any piece of any land,
in this country of Kurdistan,
do not be scared
just lay your head down
and place your wreath....

Turkish-German-American:

My Turn:
With all due respect...to the honorable Azad and others out there...Dlear very cute what do you do for a living ?
America stands for Justice, Liberty and Freedom.
Hatemongers beware, Kharma will catch up to you some day.
I grew up with mostly German, but also turkish and kurdish friends.
As far as I know the city with the single most largest kurdish population is Istanbul and may be should also become a center of kurdish culture. One one "official"language" please such as should be my in opinion in English in the US.
Back to the issues, what means far into kurdish territory attacks...how deep into turkish territory is Istanbul, that is (i.e.) terrorist or rebel attacks, whatever semantic angle one prefers.

Very Important:
Not allowing kurds to speak kurdish and call themselves kurds was and is wrong. This is decided in now Ankara but administered (or often ignored) by local Gendarmerie and other local officials. The strong presence of kurds in the turkish parliament is the point that nobody should be overlooking.
I do not believe that the Turkish government is for sale !
They have showed that when the US-media blast/defamation one-liner:
"Turks will get the $ 26 billion payoff and let us attack their neighbor"
was mentioned one too many times, rubbed into their faces, and turned them against allowing the use of their border to enter Iraq.
Often non-muslim and other "outsiders" are often clueless when it comes to the Middle East, which I view as" Arrogant Ignorance" (AI) or should it be called "Ignorant Arrogance" (IA) ? After reading all the crap, I think there also many II the Ignorant Ignorants.
I am an agnostic moslem (?!?) that believes in the "Big Bang" and the "Sun and Sky" as the Gokturks (Skyturks) did.
A lot more than that, I believe in Evolutionary Biology (EB) & Anthropology (A), i.e. "Be good to thy neigbor" has biological and anthropological origins and whereas the AI-man or IA-man (and especially now the II-man) still thinks (feel, believes i.e. neurons flashing in his head) it was philosophical (said so by so called prohets or deities). Man is intrinsically an organic, bio-chemical (carbon-based) life form like any other. Logic, spirit and soul (lots of computing capacity in human brains, everybody is equipped with the best computer ever build) in humans developed as the brain grew increasingly in the last 5 millions years, and especially the development of language (more than in dogs or dolphins) in the last 200,000 years or so. Soul may be an elevation of that computing power into something we have no idea about. Living forms are probably all connected and everything is happening to everybody at the same time, Synchronicity enabled by the ever-present leftover neutrino flow from the "Big Bang"
Well History, it is way too overrated, we need it for education, but it mostly divides and tells us who killed who. We need lot more EB & A that IS what will unite us !
Where were we ? Turks (no longer) take on anybody without beig attacked, that was one of Ataturk's main principles. If the Congress wants to drag the turks into the mud with likes of Hitler and others, then the turks will humbly turn away and no longer be the same kind of friend of the US as they have been for about 100 years.
Kurdish friends, there needs be some serious soul searching here. Has anybody forgotten what happened when Barzani and Talabani were left to each other ?
Barzani called in Saddam for help. It's all about power in Kurdistan and anywhere in the world for that matter. Resolution 140 of annexing Kirkuk will not pass. The turks claim on top that all property papers were deliberately destroyed after 1918.
I am strong supporter of the US and Turkish army. If the politicians would have and would be listening to the Generals, we wouldn't be in this mess in the middle east.
Everybody pause for a moment...
Do you guys have any children ? What kind of life do you want for your children ?
Where are your children going to be and what are they going to be doing in 20 years from now ?
Tolerance, reconciliation, trade, socio-economic and educational collaboration is what is important.
Last words now.
1. I, just as Mr. Pamuk, believe on an open forum on the Armenian-Turkish issue, i.e. Enver Pasa's cruelties as well those by committed by Armenians and the Armenian-Russian provocation in the Eastern Provinces beginning in 1915, should be openly debated by historians. I think that Turkiye has more to gain than to loose.
2. Turks do not need Europe nor the US. Turkey will be awaited in Central Asia by 100 (somebody said 300) millions turkic brothers and friends as far as Japan.
2. Read and think before you talk and put the most important words ever spoken by man clearly into your heads:
"I know that I don't know" (Sokrates)
For most people out there I can only saddened fail to notice:
"They don't know that they don't know" the antithesis of Sokrates.
And this, in my opinion, just about means:
"They think they know just about everything".
live easy (and angry) lives like many in America and many others surrounding Turkiye.
My grandmother, born 1897 in Istanbul, said this: "They don't know and they don't know that they don't know. You, my son, stay clear of them."
Shape up, cheer up and "Remember the Cruelties" (Voltaire)

P.S. I am considering to support of a new initiative for a resolution of genocide against the native American peoples of North America, followed by those against the native peoples of Central and South America.
On further thought we should consider voting in the UN assembly about the genocide against the Neanderthals by modern man. Although my gut feeling tells me that Neanderthals are everywhere and growing in numbers everyday.
Let's get hell back to the African rift valleys and leave the rest of the planet to life forms other than "Nacked Apes" !
I am signing up to colonize Mars. Live long and prosper.

Ted Baines:

It has been aptly said that Muslims never lose an opportunity to lose an opportunity. Turks have this golden opportunity to admit that they massacred 1.5 million Armenians for the simple reason that they were not Muslims and that they, the Turks, are sorry.

If the Turks apologize after admitting that they perpetrated a holocaust, then Muslims in general will boost their image.

I do not have any hope that Muslims will show any interest in improving their image.

Azadouhi:

Parlamenta Kurdistanê Li Derveyî Welat
Kurdistan Parliament in Exile

24 April 1996

To the members of the public

The division of Kurdistan has affected both the Armenian and the Assyrian people. Colonialists have not only pursued the policy of extermination against the Kurds and forced them into migration but had also turned the peoples against one another.

On 24 April 1915, the Ottoman Empire had taken the decision of massacre of the Armenian and Assyrian peoples. The ground for this massacre was prepared in advance. The Kurdish tribes involved in Hamidieh Cavalry took part in the Armenian massacre. Hundreds of thousands of Armenian and Assyrians were slaughtered and as many were forced to migrate during this massacre.

The Turkish state is also following the same policy today. While aggravating the Alevi and Sunni people against each other, the government is also promoting the village guard system thus setting the Kurds against one another.

Today is the 81st anniversary of the massacre of the both Armenian and Assyrian peoples.

Today we wish to share the pain and suffering of our peoples and strongly condemn the Turkish state and any force which is collaborating with it.

Zubeyir Aydar
Chair of the Executive Committee

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/Affirmation.275/current_category.5/affirmation_detail.html

Assyria:

Recognize the ASSYRIAN genocide 1915!

How could so many Assyrians disappear after 1915?

Assyrian pride:

We assyrians will never forget the genocide! NEVER!

READ EVERY ONE:

NEWS: NEWS: NEWS:

According to Pentagon, the US military has arrested 7 Turkish commandoes that were sent to Kurdistan to carry out an assassination plot against the Kurdish President ( Talabani).

steve:

dlear you are an empty headed fool.it is crazy people like you who do the most to hurt your own cause. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH YOU CRAZY CLOWN.

Aran:

Turkey should learn a lesson from Israel in Southren Lebanon...becuase the population was not supportive of the invasion..Israel did not accomplsh its objective....A huge miltary intevension by Turkey in Kurdish aras will bring disaster to Turkey & Kurdistan...the terrain of the Kurdistan is ideal to make Kurdistan the graveyard of the Turkish junta...We still consider the Turks as our friends..The Turkish junta? they are ruthless people with evil designs...

to aran:

PLEASE don't spread that kind of propaganda. We know everything. The so called assyrians you are talking about are bought and there for traitors to us.

Some assyrians? you nearly killed half our people in turkey and have been harrasing us in iraq and turkey ever since.

!!!LONG LIVE ASSYRIA!!!

Aran:

Assyrians are our brothers..some Assyrians were killed by Kurds and some Kurds have been killed by Assyrians..In the glorious Kurdish September revolution there were Assyrians like Hurmez Malekk Chiko who died and watered the tree of liberty in Kurdistan........
In Southren Kurdistan Parliament there are 5 memners of Caldo-Assyrian people.....One minister in Baghdad is Assyrian on the list of Kurdistan...So please do not call Kurds Barbarians...There is good & bad among all nations...

ASSYRIAN!!!:

The turks screamed "JIHAD, KILL THE CHRISTIANS" and the kurdish barbarians killed all christians they could get theyre hands on... Only god knows how many christians(armenians, greeks and assyrians)where killed during the Genoside!

Assyrian:

You have fogotten the Assyrian people who also were killed by the Turkish Ottoman state and the Kurds. Many of my relatives got killed. Nearly 500 000 Assyrians got killed.

United States and the rest of the world have too recognize The Assyrian Genocide!

FREEDOM4ASSYRIA!

Doramjal & Talaney Mawelyan:

The war will benifit no one....Turkey should face the fact that there is a Kurdish state in Southren Kurdistan...talk to them not to the guys in Baghdad who have no influence outside the green zone..Kurds are not paper tigers..If Turkey attacks Kurdistan...there will be a fire ignited under the filthy presence of Turkish army...Kurdestan gorestaney duzmenana1!

hero:

all kurds here must know that kurds never had an indepency in history and will never have it until doomsday.

Assyrian from Midyat:

And now they DON'T want to be associated with the genocide by acting innicent.*

Assyrian from Midyat:

Hello everybody,

I've read the article. I am an Assyrian originally from Midyat which is located in the northwestern historical part of Assyria - now southeastern Turkey.

My grandpa's father got killed by a kurd during the genocide. Many of my relatives got killed. Nearly 500 000 Assyrians got killed. Indeed, the Turkish Ottoman state gave the order, but most of the executioners were Kurds.
Not only Armenians got killed, also Assyrians and Greeks too. By scholars the genocide is called
"The Armenian Hellenic Assyrian Genocide".

Those of my grandpa's family who survived moved to Qamishli (Assyrian city in north-eastern Syria) and later moved to Sweden where I live now.

The part of the Kurds in the genocide is unquestionable. Much of them killed. They wanted Assyria to be Kurdistan. If we look at the land areas now where Assyrians used to be majority we see now that they succeeded. And now they want to be associated with the genocide by acting innicent.

Please, visit the article of the Assyrian genocide in Wikipedia, there you can read more about the genocide and the acts of kurds during the genocide.

Runon:

-POLITICALLY and LEGALLY Kurds are Turkish citizens, and have always been treated as equals. Turks and Kurds use the same courts, same schools, same government positions. They can rise to the highest offices in the army -supposedly arch-enemy of Kurds- become president (Turgut Özal), get elected and of course, vote freely. Just like armenians, greeks, jews etc.

Turkey maybe a limping democracy (and I've yet to see a marathon running one) but it is a democracy none-the-less. This means if you want to stand up for Kurdish rights, you get political not violently fanatical. There will be feet dragging, suffering and maybe jail-time for stupid reasons like "insulting Turkishness" but these are no barriers to a man who truly wants peaceful prosperity and cultural recognition for his people. Especially when one can vote freely. (Surely nobody is questioning the right of Kurds in Turkey to vote freely? If so, I suggest you do some research. I'll even be your host if you'd like to come and inspect for yourself.)

In fact if we take some of the figures in this forum seriously (I'm not saying they are wrong, I just don't have facts), 20 million Kurds are living as Turkish citizens. Total population of Turkey is estimated to be 70 million. By using democratic means, Kurds can get roughly %30 percent representation. Why resort to terrorism when you have this much political potential?

The simple answer is that Kurds don't resort to violence. The small number that does is at gunpoint of PKK. The majority of the Kurdish citizens of Turkey dislike PKK and what it is doing to the Kurds in Turkey, and they have more immediate concerns than enabling their kids to have Kurdish surnames. These concerns are mainly safety and putting food on the table. They know that it is the terrorism that is preventing these basic functions of government. I'm pretty sure that once these are met, they will vote for whoever is going to get them their cultural rights.

The reality of the matter is that currently there is a Kurdish party in parliament and also the ruling AKP also has numerous Kurdish representatives in parliament. It is this parliament with Kurdish represation which has voted to allow a cross-border operation into Iraq. If anybody is curius, the vote was 507-to-19. In sprit of fairness I have to say that the 19 opposing the motion was the Kurdish party.

Runon:

Facts:
-Kurds are/were CULTURALLY oppressed in Turkey. Any sensible Turk (i'm disregarding nationalistic cliche-bearers and warmongering cursers) is willing to admit this and it should be remedied asap.

-ECONOMICALLY, they have been poor, but this was not intentional, but consequential to their geographic dispension. Turks in the same Kurdish populated regions have been equally poor.

In fact major government projects draining billions of dollars were established to encourage business and economy in these poor mainly Kurdish regions. These have failed grossly due to bureocracy, mismanagement, corruption. However the major contributor to the failure of these projects (intended to bring prosperity to the area with mainly Kurdish population) was PKK terrorism. Terrorism prevented kids from safely going to school, it made businesses shy away from the otherwise a good investment area.

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Anatolia_Project )

Eventually emerging terrorist acts brought on what i believe is every terrorist's purpose: the government called in the army to help the civil law enforcement because they couldn't respond to the terrorist threat. This in turn meant martial law, with the accompanying human-rights abuses. And since the populace was mainly Kurdish, the abused were also Kurdish, causing resentment among Kurds towards government. Surely anybody can appreciate the downward spiral from there on?

("In 1983, the Kurdish provinces were placed under martial law in response to the activities of the militant separarist Kurdistan Workers Party-PKK" - from Wikipedia article Kurdistan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan )

The end result was a terrorist organization's dream result: a guerilla war of huge sentimental exploitability. The David and Goliath image of a handfull of freedom fighters fighting desperately against an oppresive regime with a mammoth army. There are many accounts of violence on both sides, but I believe the state was always more restrained in using force than the terrorist. This is difficult to verify for both sides because of the sentimental scarring of witnesses. Nonetheless, any act of violence coming from whichever side helped the terrorists and the rift between Kurds and state widened.

This was the rational course of events. Now add to both sides of the conflict the cliches, racists, ultra-nationalists, feodal chiefs, fundemantalists, "Western manipulation", arms dealers, iran-iraq war, Saddam's atrocities against Iraqi Kurds. No wonder some of the people on this forum are confused & therefore resort to cursing or calling names or what-not.

Serwan Sereni:


PKK is only an excuse for Turkey to invade the Kurdistan of Iraq and to destroy their unique democratic system in the region; otherwise if Turks peruse to solve this issue, they can use their diplomatic efforts and bring the Issue of more than 25 millions Kurds in Turkey to the table rather than using military forces and killing Kurdish civilians and redoing more genocide.
It is not first time for Turkish military to attack Kurdistan of Iraq, however if they continue behave this way; all Kurds around the world will become PKK against them.

Aran:

War is an evil thing...the so-called Turkish Parliament voted for war. Sad thing to do.....If Turkey starts this evil..Kurds have to finish it...the big result is brother killing brother....May God bless Kurdistan as it it prepaeres to face the challenge of confronting the evil and big Turkish army.......Turkish junta (their faces look so sad when I say see them on TV ..THEY LOOK LIKE THEY QUIT SMOKING!), beware..Kurdistan has more than oil..it also has many graveyards of the past invaders.

Aran:

The Kurdish people regard the Turkish nation as brothers, friends, neighbors, relatice. But Not THE ENEMY. Turkish junta is making things worse by itching for adventures in Kurdistan. Kurdistan will be the graveyard of all those who dare to occupy this sacred land.

Dlear:

The so called "Steve"

Take of the mask and show your real turkish face. Your childish menatlity is still denying what the whole wolrd have recognised as brutal "genocide". Your bloody history is wellknown.

Dr. Turkish-German-American:

My Turn:
With all due respect...to the honorable Azad and others out there...
America stands for Justice, Liberty and Freedom.
Hatemongers beware, Kharma will catch up to you some day.
I grew up with mostly German, but also turkish and kurdish friends in Germany.
As far as I know the city with the single most largest kurdish population is Istanbul and may be should also become a center of kurdish culture. One one "official" language please such as should be my in opinion in English in the US.
Back to the issues, what means far into kurdish territory attacks...how deep into turkish territory is Istanbul, that is (i.e.) terrorist or rebel attacks, whatever semantic angle one prefers.

Very Important:
Not allowing kurds to speak kurdish and call themselves kurds was and is wrong. This is decided in now Ankara but administered (or ignored) by local Gendarmerie and other local officials. The strong presence of kurds in the turkish parliament is the point that nobody should be overlooking.
I do not believe that the Turkish government is for sale !
They have showed that when the US-media blast/defamation one-liner:
"Turks will get the $ 26 billion payoff and let us attack their neighbor"
was mentioned one too many times, rubbed into their faces, and turned them against allowing the use of their border to enter Iraq.
Often non-muslim and other "outsiders" are often clueless when it comes to the Middle East, which I view as" Arrogant Ignorance" (AI) or should it be called "Ignorant Arrogance" (IA) ?
I am an agnostic moslem (?!?) that believes in the "Big Bang" and the "Sun and Sky" as the Gokturks (Skyturks) did.
More than that I believe in Evolutionary Biology (EB) and Anthropology (A), i.e. "Be good to thy neigbor" has biological origins and whereas the AI-man or IA-man still thinks it was philosophical (said so by so by called prohets or deities). Man is intrinsically an organic, bio-chemical (carbon-based) life form like any other. Logic and spirit in humans developed as the brain grew increasingly in the last 5 millions years, and especially the development of language (more than in dogs or dolphins) in the last 200,000 years or so.
By the way (BTW), history is way overrated, we need it for education, but it mostly divides and tells us who killed who. We need lot more EB & A which IS what will unite us !
Where were we, Turks (no longer) take on anybody without beig attacked, that was one of Ataturk's main principles. If the Congress wants to drag the turks into the mud with likes of Hitler and others, then the turks will humbly turn away and no longer be the same kind of friend of the US as they have been for about 100 years.
Kurdish friends, there needs be some serious soul searching here. Has anybody forgotten what happened when Barzani and Talabani were left to each other ?
Barzani called in Saddam for help. It's all about power in Kurdistan and anywhere in the world for that matter.
I am strong supporter of the US and Turkish army. If the politicians would have and would be listening to the Generals, we wouldn't be in this mess in the middle east.
Everybody pause for a moment...
Do you guys have any children ? What kind of life do you want for your children ?
Where are your children going to be and what are they going to be doing in 20 years from now ?
Tolerance, reconciliation, trade, socio-economic and educational collaboration is what is important.
Last words now.
1. I, just as Mr. Pamuk believe the Armenian issue, i.e. Enver Pasa's Cruelties and Armenian-Russian provocation in the Eastern Provinces beginning in 1915, should be openly debated by historians. I think that Turkiye has more to gain than to loose.
2. Turks do not need Europe nor the US. Turkey will be awaited in Central Asia by 100 millions turkic brothers and friends as far as Japan.
2. Read and think before you talk and put the most important words ever spoken by man clearly into your head:
"I know that I don't know" (Sokrates)
For most people out there I can only saddened fail to notice:
"They don't know that they don't know" the antithesis of Sokrates.
And this, in my opinion, just about means:
"They think they know just about everything".
live easy (and angry) lives like many in America and many others surrounding Turkiye.
My grandmother, born 1897 in Istanbul, said this: "They don't know and they don't know that they don't know. You, my son, stay clear of them."
Shape up, cheer up and "Remember the Cruelties" (Voltaire)

Aran:

Turkish junta thinks invading Kurdistan will be a weekend vacation....They should think again...violence is bad...war can only bring misery, tears, and destruction..there is is no glory in war...but if the criminal junta attacks Kurdistan....Kurdistan will be a graveyard for them.....

Maxiths:

President Bush used one of the excusses for entering Iraq "the Kurdish genocide by Sadam".

It seems to me, that Turky's armed forces entering the Kurdistan nation, whether it is on the Turkish side (or so they claim) or any other side, will embarrasS the United States once again in the international arena. (UN )

As i analyze this more and more, i realize that Turkey is not on our side and i resent the fact that we poured billions of dollars to their modernization of their army!

If only taxpayers knew!

As far as blaiming the Kurds to kill Armenians (1915 If my memeory is correct)is true!, however they promised the Kurds Independance and a nation of their own. Not to mention TURKISH guns on their BACKS.

This is why History must be written as close to the truth as posible, so we can relate to the facts of that time and act accordingly, as responsible human beings can be.

THIS IS ANOTHER GENOCIDE THAT CAN BE PREVENTED, ARE WE CAPABLE OF STOPPING THIS? OR USELESS?

Anonymous:

the TURKISH parliment has approved to go ahead with enterin northern iraq just 20 minutes ago. now who is gonna save your pkk militans? iam askin pro pkk people here what are you going to do to save n.iraq?it is very easy to talk from internet and from thousands kilometres away from pkk camps for you guys, because your bottom is safe.but people up there with blood in their hands, time is come for the punishment,i saw last minutes of cryings by talabani,and barzani,and foreing minister of irak on tv begging for mercy,..we not even started to punish pkk and their bloodsuckers,look how much their scared and weak..but its tooooo late,they should have think before killing innocent kids,soldiers,villagers,pregnant womens ,teachers,doctors and others.. time to pay the price.

Dr. Turkish-German-American:

To the Honorable Azad:

With all due respect:

I grew up with turks and kurds as friends together in Germany.

As far as I know the city with the single largest kurdish population is Istanbul and may become a center of kurdish cultural activities.

Far into kurdish territory attacks...Well how deep into turkish territory is Istanbul (I mean terrorist or rebel attacks, whatever semantic angle you prefer...)

Not allowing kurds to speak kurdish and call themselves kurds was and is wrong. But these things are often decided in Ankara but by executed (or mostly ignored) by local Gendarmerie and other officials. The strong presence of kurds in the turkish parliament is the point that nobody should be overlooking.

The Turkish government is not for sale !

They have showed that when the US-media blast/defamation "Turks will get $ 26 billion payoff to let us attack their neighbors"

was mentioned one too many times and rubbed into their faces and turned them against allowing the use their border to enter Iraq.

Turks do take on anybody without beig attacked, that's one of Ataturks main principles. If the Congress wants to drag them into the mud (with likes of Hitler and others), then the turks will turn away and will no longer be the same kind of friend of the US as they have been for 100 years.

There should be some soul seraching and responsilibity here. Have you forgotten what happens when Barzani and Talabani are left to each other ?

Barzani called in Saddam for help. It's all about power in Kurdistan and anywhere in the world for that matter.

Tolerance, reconciliation, trade, economic and educationall collaboration is what is important. Do you guys have any children ?

What kind of life do you want for your children ? Everybody pause for a moment.
Where are children going to be and what are they going to doing in 20 years fron now ?

Last word now. Turks do not need Europe nor the US. Turkey will be awaited in Central Asia by 100 millions turkic brothers and friends as far as Japan.

Read and think before you talk. And put the most important words ever spoken by man clearly in your head:
"I know that that I don't know" (Sokrates)

Most of the people out there
"Don't know that they don't know" (antithesis of Sokrates).

This means, they think they know everything, live easy (and angry) lives like most of America and too many others.

Shape up, cheer up and "Remember the Cruelties" (Voltaire)

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

THE PARLIEMENT VOTED "GO" FOR ARMY TO ENTER N:IRAQ. AROUND 100 VOTERS WERE KURDISH. BUT ONLY 19 OF THEM REJECTED IT. :)

AS YOU SEE DREAMERS KURDS IN TURKEY ARE AGAINST PKK, UN, EU, USA AGAINS PKK... BUT ONLY FEW BLOGGERS HERE SUPPORT PKK..
IF U LOVE TERRORISM THAT MUCH, GO AND FACE THE TURKISH ARMY :)

Kurd Cohen:

Thats is fundentally mistaken View.Either Armenian have won nor Kurds have loos. This Perspective from Bakir ist unable to analyse the Situation and incompetent in seeing that this Matter ist good for Kurds when the Congress Recognise the Armenian Genocide, and condemne the Turks.Thats is a real big strategic Advantage for Kurds and no Body esle in this Situation, becuase thast would come to effect and force to Patronize and Defend the Kurds .Furthermore Kurds and not THE KURDS were involved bei this Genocide , many Kurds where in Pact with Armenian since 800 Year and where alongside against the Turks.The only Way out for Turks ist a kurdish State .This is not written on the Stars but on Earth and the Kurds are backed from USA and Europe.. Kurd Cohen

Aran:

Invading Kurdistan by Turkey will not be a picnic..It will bring suffering & destruction to both nations of Turkey & Kurdistan. Time has come for Turkish junta to behave like human beings not be the trigger happy crazy generals!!! Think like Totgut Ozal..who was a great guy
Kurds & Turks are neighbors, friends, and relatives.

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

TO AMERICAONE

Turks have never been islamic in their history? So what makes u think we are now?
Turks are more secular than Americans!
If u want to get out of turkey and date with kurds, please be my guest! :))

AmericaOne:

Turkey becoming the next "Ayat -Allah" Iran in the region , and been nothing but a headache to USA .. enough is enough from Turkey .. we need to get out of Turkey asap

JusticeIsInevitable:

Barzani, in keeping with his extremely hostile policies toward Turkey, confirmed his shortsightedness by attempting to utilize PKK as a bargaining chip against Turkey. PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization in entire civilized world. In providing full support to PKK qualifies Barzani as a sponsor of terror, and he, being thus a terrorist and a killer of innocent himself, shall pay for it. Make no mistake about it. There's no pit deep enough to hide Barzani from judgement. What upsets me most is that innocent Kurdish folks in north of Iraq, who have no say under oppressive tyranny of Barzani, shall bear most of the burden while Barzani and his gang can at any time get on a plane and leave for the USA to freely spend the billions they plundered from Kurdish folks of Iraq. If he'd have any wisdom, he'd seek to improve lives of his folks, not endanger it by creating feud with ancient friends and brothers of Kurds, that is the Turks, not Americans.

The reaction in Turkey is never against our Kurdish brothers. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar. We are against agents of outside powers like Barzani, and PKK, who are disrupting the peace and seeking to create turmoil at a region where peace is needed most, in Iraq where people had suffered much already.

The bottom line is, we are losing our sons at the hands of those harbored and sponsored by Barzani, who is a sponsor of terror, a warmonger and a disrupter of peace. There's no running away from divine justice, as Barzani shall soon find out; sooner than he imagines.
Both might and mercy of us Turks is plenty and is available to those who seek to have whichever. It's up to the good Kurdish folks in north of Iraq to decide. Seek peace and you shall find sincere friends in us; seek war and you shall have it.

Ako-USA:

bozkurt:

Dude wake up and smell the coffee would ya. 6.5 million? that has to be the biggest joke ever. There are more than 20 million Kurds in Turkey. THAT IS A FACT.


I am a Kurd, and I actually want Turkey to invade Iraqi-Kurdistan.

You might wonder why?

well......it's simple. This wouldn't be the first incursion by the Turkish military. They have invaded Iraqi-Kurdistan many times before with no success. PKK doesn't have military bases, tanks or lines and lines of conveys. They're a mobile group based in the rigged mountains of Iraqi Kurdistan. Your tanks and mechanized divisions won't do squat against the PKK.

What happened in the past when Turkey invaded the PKK bases? they simply went away, waited for the Turkish military to cross back over to Turkey and returned again.

Military invasion will be condemned by the United States, the European Union and most of the world body. It will united all the Kurdish population to stand and retaliate against the Turkish militay. It will gear and extra boost for international recognition.......not to mention hit the back the Turkish military and sent them back over the border with a bloody nose.


At the end of the campaign, Turkey will lose.

Mark my words, it will happen.

All I have to say to Turkish government...

Don't sing..............bring it. Kurds no longer tremble in fear at the hands of regimes trying to destroy our heritage, it will only make our bid for national recognition stronger.

Some come on Turkey........what you waiting for?

Kawa:

Books writen by turks referred them as "mountain turks".

bozkurt:

Mike,
u counted urself the kurds population in Turkey? noone lives with lies, and this site belongs an international researching foundations. THATS THE FACT, TOTAL KURDS POPULATİON İN TURKEY 6.5 MİLLİON

Mike:

BozKurt

Books written by Turks would estimate them even under a million

SAM:

Kurds say something and do something differnt.They say they want friendly relastionship with turkey and at the same time they support the PKK who are nothing but a terrorist group trying to destablize the situation in Turkey.If Kurds continue with this double handed and cotradictory policy,they need to accept responsibility for such policy.

bozkurt:

here some says kurds population in Turkey 20 million the other says 25 million. if wanna learn the truth look please; http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=TRA

Ashby/ London:

If you show solution to people they move to act. Now Turkey has a choice to make this terror end.And this action against terror wont be fail.There is a fact this operation will not be first time Turkish Armed Forcescross-border operation against PKK. There were 4 other cros-border operation. Let me give you the results of these operations.
-
First operation called 'Northern iraq'
5 september-15 october 1992
results 1551 killed in active operation and 1232 captured wounded.
22 Turkish soldier killed in active operation
finally result succesfull-

Second operation called 'celik 1'
20 march- 2 may 1994
in this operation 555 Terrorist were killed and 13 captured alive.
total turkish lost were 64 soldier

third operation called 'cekic'
12 May-7 july 1997
This operation was massive operation and results were massive as well.

2730 Member of PKK were killed by armed forces.
and 415 terrorist captured as wounded. in this operation 21 turkish civillians and 74 soldier were dead.
Result of this operation was clearly succesfull.This operation gaves Turks right to do second minor operation. that is following

Fourth operation called 'Şafak'
25 sept-15 oct 1997
865 terorist were dead and 37 captured.
24 soldier were killed in this operation and also 114 civillians were killed by PKK in during this operation.

total result of the these four major operations is 5,701 dead terorist. and 1,697 captured wounded.nobody can say these operations unsuccesful.USA should ask Turkish help to fight against al qaeda.What was the succes rate of USA fight against al queda after 9/11. Pls campare them.

There wasnt any operation in last 10 years. In these years head of PKK captured in Kenya by Turkish National Intelligence Organization.before he captured by service he went to Greece they protected him and reject to transfer. After grece he went to italy they rejected turkey as well. After that he went to syria then Kenya. Finally Captured in kenya.


Can somebody tell me why western countries helping the Terrorists. Turkey understands about terrorism and suffered from terror just like USA. Turkey dealing with this last 24 years.

And there was The Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) before PKK. They are not active anymore. Any maybe some of us can remember most of the ASALA operated in USA soils. Their first action was killing of Turkeys ambassodor en 1975 the ruling party of armania was declered that they are supporting ASALA. Grece supported ASALA as well. Turkish National Intelligence Organization killed the head of ASALA(Hagop Hagopian) in grece.

what was world most wanted terrorist leader doing in athens.nobody answered these questions.

Turkey is a free country like the 9/11 end up iraq Turkey has right to invade iraq for same reason.If USA dont want to stop terrorism in iraq. Turkish armed forces ready to help.Normally this was USA's job to clean that area of the terrorists but PKK is growing under USA invation. Turkey will end this.

Ozet Ashby/London:

If you show solution to people they move to act. Now Turkey has a choice to make this terror end.And this action against terror wont be fail.There is a fact this operation will not be first time Turkish Armed Forcescross-border operation against PKK. There were 4 other cros-border operation. Let me give you the results of these operations.
-
First operation called 'Northern iraq'
5 september-15 october 1992
results 1551 killed in active operation and 1232 captured wounded.
22 Turkish soldier killed in active operation
finally result succesfull-

Second operation called 'celik 1'
20 march- 2 may 1994
in this operation 555 Terrorist were killed and 13 captured alive.
total turkish lost were 64 soldier

third operation called 'cekic'
12 May-7 july 1997
This operation was massive operation and results were massive as well.

2730 Member of PKK were killed by armed forces.
and 415 terrorist captured as wounded. in this operation 21 turkish civillians and 74 soldier were dead.
Result of this operation was clearly succesfull.This operation gaves Turks right to do second minor operation. that is following

Fourth operation called 'Şafak'
25 sept-15 oct 1997
865 terorist were dead and 37 captured.
24 soldier were killed in this operation and also 114 civillians were killed by PKK in during this operation.

total result of the these four major operations is 5,701 dead terorist. and 1,697 captured wounded.nobody can say these operations unsuccesful.USA should ask Turkish help to fight against al qaeda.What was the succes rate of USA fight against al queda after 9/11. Pls campare them.

There wasnt any operation in last 10 years. In these years head of PKK captured in Kenya by Turkish National Intelligence Organization.before he captured by service he went to Greece they protected him and reject to transfer. After grece he went to italy they rejected turkey as well. After that he went to syria then Kenya. Finally Captured in kenya.


Can somebody tell me why western countries helping the Terrorists. Turkey understands about terrorism and suffered from terror just like USA. Turkey dealing with this last 24 years.

And there was The Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) before PKK. They are not active anymore. Any maybe some of us can remember most of the ASALA operated in USA soils. Their first action was killing of Turkeys ambassodor en 1975 the ruling party of armania was declered that they are supporting ASALA. Grece supported ASALA as well. Turkish National Intelligence Organization killed the head of ASALA(Hagop Hagopian) in grece.

what was world most wanted terrorist leader doing in athens.nobody answered these questions.

Turkey is a free country like the 9/11 end up iraq Turkey has right to invade iraq for same reason.If USA dont want to stop terrorism in iraq. Turkish armed forces ready to help.Normally this was USA's job to clean that area of the terrorists but PKK is growing under USA invation. Turkey will end this.

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

TO KAWA HEKKARY
A Rebel for freedom and terrorist


THIS IS A ONLINE NEWSPAPER NOT A TERRORIST PROPAGANDA PLACE

kawa Hekkary :

The Turkish political and nation actives, mixed every time between the reality and their old dream to back the bloody Otham empire.
But we’ll destroy all their dreams, if they mean killing innocent people, we will stop all the violations against human rights in Kurdistan and everywhere, and the Sun of freedom and Democracy will continue shining from Zagros mountain, where people first learnt to distinguish between good and evil through Zoratostrian philosophy.
From Medya was the firs step in the last ages, and from free Medya it is going on recently.
Freedom, Democracy, respect human rights for everybody.
KAWA HEKKARY
A Rebel for freedom

kawa Hekkary :

The Turkish political and nation actives, mixed every time between the reality and their old dream to back the bloody Otham empire.
But we’ll destroy all their dreams, if they mean killing innocent people, we will stop all the violations against human rights in Kurdistan and everywhere,don by Turkish government, and the Sun of freedom and Democracy will continue shining from Zagros mountain, where people first learnt to distinguish between good and evil through Zoratostrian philosophy.
From Medya was the firs step in the last ages, and from free Medya it is going on recently.
Freedom, Democracy, respect human rights for everybody.
KAWA HEKKARY
A Rebel for freedom

kawa Hekkary :

The Turkish political and nation active, mixed every time between the reality and their old dream to back the bloody Otham empire.
But we’ll destroy all their dreams, if they mean killing innocent people, we will stop all the violations against human rights in Kurdistan and everywhere, and the Sun of freedom and Democracy will continue shining from Zagros mountain, where people first learnt to distinguish between good and evil through Zoratostrian philosophy.
From Medya was the firs step in the last ages, and from free Medya it is going on recently.
Freedom, Democracy, respect human rights for everybody.
KAWA HEKKARY
A Rebel for freedom

Mariano Patalinjug:

Yonkers, New York
17 Oct 2007

It is true that this powerful Armenian lobby operating in the US has succeeded in getting a committee of the US House of Representatives to pass a Resolution condemning Turkey for its massacre of reportedly a million Armenians some 100 years ago during the twilight days of the Ottoman Empire.

Armenians can indeed claim this as a "victory"--but objectively only a very limited victory because the Resolution in question was gotten out of only a Committee of the House.

Now that Turkey has complained bitterly against this condemnatory Resolution, the chances of the full House even calendaring this Resolution for debate are fast waning.

Only more so because President Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and many Congressional leaders--both Repulicans and Democrats--have criticized the said Resolution as unfortunate.

But although Turkey has been terribly pissed off by this Resolution, that definitely is not the reason Turkey is seriously intending to get its military forces to cross the border into Kurdistan.

The real reason is that Turkey is now planning to go after those Kurdish rebels who have been such a pain in the neck of Turkey for their continued depredations inside Turkish territory, only to return to Kurdistan and seek refuge there.

Turkey has long waited for Kurdistan to rein in those Kurdish rebels. But Kurdistan has refused to do so for so long now. The impression it creates is that Kurdistan is in fact giving these Kurdish rebels protection and support.

Which is why Turkey has decided to plan to invade Kurdistan.

But it happens that Kurdistan is an integral part of the state of Iraq. If Turkey goes ahead anyway, it will be invading Iraq.

In the event, the question is: How will Iraq and its protector, the United States, respond?
MarPatalinjug@aol.com

Mariano Patalinjug:

Yonkers, New York
17 Oct 2007

It is true that this powerful Armenian lobby operating in the US has succeeded in getting a committee of the US House of Representatives to pass a Resolution condemning Turkey for its massacre of reportedly a million Armenians some 100 years ago during the twilight days of the Ottoman Empire.

Armenians can indeed claim this as a "victory"--but objectively only a very limited victory because the Resolution in question was gotten out of only a Committee of the House.

Now that Turkey has complained bitterly against this condemnatory Resolution, the chances of the full House even calendaring this Resolution for debate are fast waning.

Only more so because President Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and many Congressional leaders--both Repulicans and Democrats--have criticized the said Resolution as unfortunate.

But although Turkey has been terribly pissed off by this Resolution, that definitely is not the reason Turkey is seriously intending to get its military forces to cross the border into Kurdistan.

The real reason is that Turkey is now planning to go after those Kurdish rebels who have been such a pain in the neck of Turkey for their continued depredations inside Turkish territory, only to return to Kurdistan and seek refuge there.

Turkey has long waited for Kurdistan to rein in those Kurdish rebels. But Kurdistan has refused to do so for so long now. The impression it creates is that Kurdistan is in fact giving these Kurdish rebels protection and support.

Which is why Turkey has decided to plan to invade Kurdistan.

But it happens that Kurdistan is an integral part of the state of Iraq. If Turkey goes ahead anyway, it will be invading Iraq.

In the event, the question is: How will Iraq and its protector, the United States, respond?
MarPatalinjug@aol.com

peace on earth peace in home..:

Cant believe what I read in some comments: ALL DISTORTED, Lack of history... Really dont understand what these guys want from Turkey. Turkey has helped the Northern Iraq Kurds many times... On the other hand Turkey has a democracy and freedom of speech in every way. The Kurds in Turkey has been president, prime minister, head of military forces... at every point. I dont think that we inside Turkey have any problem with each other. The problem is imported from very far... and poor PKK is just a tool. A tool which will be used up to the end then thrown away. I think wise people can see this... Just remember the bombing in Ankara killing many people... All innocent people. I dont think a human can does such an activity. I believe in diplomacy definetely. But I also hate lies and distortions... Of course the Kurds have rights to say what they believe but only in peace not with killing people...

CK:

I have been reading comments on this particular forum for someday. What struck me as odd are not the views or contradictory ideas of the commentators but the shallowness of essence. Some claim themselves as all-knowing historians, Funny really. Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Iraqi and U.S of A....basics of solving a problem is first defining the problem, not on the surface like "PKK is a terrorist organization..." or not by going sideways "Turks are barbaric nations of far east, they are Mongols..." (Which does not bear a shred of truth)?
The problem, as I see, quite as often as it is the case, financial gains. Turkey spend app. 150 billion USD in 20 years for the very cause of PKK. On the other side, PKK must have spent some as well. Shall we say 1-10 of it? Now the question is how come, a terrorist labelled organization can raise funds amounting such sums? Who finances it? Don’t tell me all comes from charity who feels sympatric for their cause. Now it all started as a democratic movement for Kurds wishing more acknowledgment from the Turkish government. But then turned in to this. Turkish parliament hosts quite a number of ethnical Kurd members, even her presidency was held by such manner once. And nobody resent it as far as I know. So how many non Americans hold the presidency, or how many non British, non French hold the presidency of the country. I think Turkey illustrates more democratic, non-fascist way then most others. Sure she needs more works to be done, but at least she deserves the credit.
The former government’s reliance over south-east Turkey is another reason for this calamity. There are some provinces that have negative effect to national GDP (they spend and do not produce equal worth of goods). This causes some people to be delusional and join PKK, which probably promises lush green fields with wines flowing, pretty much like the recruitment rituals of Al-Q. Turkey, as a whole state, has to take responsibility and invest in the region. There are pioneers, nevertheless not enough.
On the other hand we have Northern Iraq, I am sorry I won’t call the place as some do as Kurdistan. The US Administration yet to divide it first! till then it is Northern Iraq. Sure a large number of Kurds living there. And lived for a long time. I remember it was Turkey who opened its borders, who provided much needed humanitarian relief for the Kurds who were outcasted by Saddam during the First Gulf War years-bearing in mind the economical situation of Turkey that time; it shouldn’t be an easy job. So saying Turkey want to slain Kurds and all is a bit of harsh and far from reality. Again a bit of history, who is a TURK? That is the question...the scholars agree that any nation speaking Turkish is Turk. There is no ethnicity, there are no characteristics, and it is a mixture of many...sounds very much like US of A to me. However USA managed to bring the good out of this, Turkey couldn’t do it yet. Because they are inapt? No the reason is the land is old, especially Middle east; you can not convert a history so easily. However many Kurds live in modern Turkey with no denying their past, no denying their roots and saying proudly "I am a Kurdish Turk" like many Jews in Turkey or yet many Armenians, many Greeks.... Is it not what we all look for? To work for the common good, to join efforts for a better future, for our peace...Turks are barbaric nations!! What a saying, reminds me the Conan :)…My dear before claming such things dig more books...Turks has a history of 3 millennia, just like the Kurds...my dear fellows, you can have your own reasons for hating, loving Kurds or Turks, but the two group lived and fought a common past and I am sure you they will do the same again.

ATATURKIYE:

I CAN SEE THE PANIC OF PKK GROUPS HERE ON THE WEB:) THEY WRITE THEY DEFEND SO MANY NONSENSE ISSUES, THEY'RE ATTACKING ANYTHING ABOUT TURKS. HOW SAD THAT THROUGH OUT THE CENTURIES YOU WERE ALWAYS THE SAME. WEST USED YOU, YOU OBEYED. WHAT DID YOU GET AFTER ALL THOSE SUPPORT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TODAY? LOOK AROUND YOU AND WAKE UP TO SMELL THE COFFE. READ SOME HISTORY, NOT COMIC BOOKS ABOUT THE TURKS.

ATATURKIYE:

IS THIS THE FREEDOM THAT PKK WANTS FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS??? WATCH THE MOVIE AND DECIDE WHO NEEDS TO PAY THE PRICE NOW? WHY ALL OTHER KURDS ARE LIVING IN TURKIYE IN PEACE WITH EQUAL RIGHTS WITH EVERYONE WHO LIVES WITHIN THE SAME BORDERS. PKK CAN'T SEE THEY'RE DAMAGING THE KURDIS REPUTATION IN TURKIYE AS WELL AS IN THE WORLD. ONE DAY THE WORLD WILL SEE ALL THE KURDS AS TERRORISTS, IS THIS WHAT THEY WA

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ybz0E022OAUNT?

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

TO KURDS:

Your PM Barzani and Talabani carried a Turkish passport in their pockets for years.

Barzani and Talabani helped Turks to fight against PKK in the past. Running from Saddam inthe 1st gulf war 100.000s of Kurds crossed the border and take refugee in Turkey..

And this is how you pay back???????

You have great ethical values.

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

To Kurds:
Goodbye DRUG MONEY
Goodbye to killing Turcomans and Christians
Goodbye to praise your ancestors who killed Armenians
Goodbye to making up stories and telling lied
Goodbye to invading Arab lands
Goodbye to prison people who wants democracy and liberty
Goodbye to sucking the oil of arabs

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

Dear Kurds,
I feel your enth. about fighting against Turkish Army, you have an appethatie to kill as many Turks as you can, this is in your blood.
But let me ask you this question, do you have the guts to stand up against the Turkish army, because it is not the same thing as killing innocent Armenians, Christian minorities, shooting at school busses in Turkey.

I hope you have the guts!
I really do!
:)) see you in Kerkuk in a moment when u least expect!

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

TO LANA:

You have asked me to get a reality check, because i have talked about drug trade in N.Iraq??
Well, EU,USA and UN has labeled PKK as a terrorist org. and INTERPOL has declared PKK as one of the biggest drug dealer of the world, even last months in FRENCH TV5 there was a documentary about this topic..so u ask me to get a reality check?

LANA ARE YOU SAYIN THAT USA, EU, UN, INTERPOL IS MISTAKEN AND YOU KNOW THE TRUTH?

ARE COMING AGAINST THE WRITEN STATEMENT OF USA,EU,UN,INTERPOL; DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT CIA,USA,INTERPOL,USA ARMY,UN,EU WAS A LIER??

LANA ARE YOU OK? :))))))))))))))))

cavit:

and please keep in mind that the party defends the kurdish cause, namely DTP, accounts for the 5 percent of popular vote in turkey, even though the kurds in turkey accounts for more than 20 percent. this shows that even the kurds of turkey do not adopt the DTP's view.
on the other side of the story, the turkish nationalists could not get the support of the people in the last election even though the ground is very suitable due to the PKK's terrorist plots..

Rizgar:

The Most Distinguish Characteristic of Modern Turkish Nationalism:

Denial of Reality, Xenophobia, Racism, and Anti-Semitism
By: Amed Demirhan

Mar 7, 2005

The people in Turkey from elementary school and on are indoctrinated with denial of historical realities and socio-ethnographical and cultural diversity in their country. All form of mass media daily reinforces this abnormality, and any one that questions this, will become subject of the witch-hunt. When, one listens to mainstream Turkish politician and “educated class” one wonders if they are from the plant of Earth or somewhere else? The recent debate in Turkey is a typical example of this abnormalities: the government foreign policy; the mass medias which hunts against writer Orhan Pamuk statement in regards to Armenian genocide and crime against Kurds, and the Ministry of environment and forest changing name of wild animals just to exclude words Kurdistan and Armenian, and the increase in Anti-Semitism are typical characteristics of modern Turkish nationalism. This type of nationalism as evidenced in many historical examples is harmful to every one including the nation it advocate for, therefore, standing against current Turkish nationalism is as important as standing against Nazism, Stalinism, Saddams’ Regime and Bathism. It is in the best interest of Turkish people to be liberated from this illness.

The government of Turkey still refuses to call Bath’sist (Sunni-Hanafi) and Islamic Fascist in central Iraq terrorist. In the past many time Turkey had strongly protested United States lead freedom forces victory in the city of Falluga and Tell Afar, in Iraq, but until now it never protested terrorist attacks against civilian in Iraq. At the same time it had characterized Israel’s shelve defense acts against terrorist Islam-I Jihad organization as state terrorism. Recently a Turkish news portal “Haber X (3/2/050) reported that about 400 Turks are fighting against the USA lead freedom forces in Iraq with terrorist leader Al-Zarkavi. It noted that these fighters are veterans from Bosnian war against Serbia. This indicates that Turkish government knows who are these “Turkish – Islamic” fighters because almost all of those fighters that went to Bosnia, Chechnya, and in the past to Afghanistan went via Turkish intelligence services. In addition, in March first of this year 200 Turkish “intellectuals”: journalists, professors, writers, and some “civic” organization representative visited Syria to show their solidarity with Syrian dictatorship against Western pressure and the United Nation request for Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon. Most of these 200 people are closely related to the state (its hard to call them civilian). March 1, is significant, it is the day Turkish Parliament under Turkish military pressure refused to let the USA lead forces go through Turkey and open a second front against Saddams regime. This indicate that Turkish regime is the most anti-Westernization and democratization of the Middle East because it sees freedom as a treat to its regime.

One may expect a Turkey that had received a negotiation date from European Union (EU) may act little better internally but looking in a recent debate it is doubtful and domestic policy like its foreign policy is anti-democratic. Last week one of the most famous Turkish writers Orhan Pamuk in an interview stated, that One million Armenian and 30,000 Kurds had been victim of the state (Turkish state). About 90% of media commentators started a lynching company against the author and political organization like infamous “Gray Wolfe” movement send death treat to the author. In fact Mr. Pamuk’s statement could have been subject of a serious debate and his statement is very questionable because more than one million Armenian and Assurian/Keldan have been killed and the number of Kurds have been killed since foundation of the Turkish republic is very high and millions were deported from their homes. This shows how much free debate is possible in Turkey that prepares to join to EU?

The republic of Turkey prohibited every thing that wasn’t Turkish in historic multinational and cultural diverse geography and named them in Turkish from beginning. Apparently they have forgotten few wild animals name like: “‘Vulpes Vulpes Kürdistanicum” (A fox in Kurdistan area) and “Ovis Armeniana” (wild sheep in old Armenia) in their scientific classification. The ministry of environment and forest acted right away on this discovery and changed their name to Turkish. (http://www.haberx.com 3/5/05). I wonder if any one knows or heard this kind of xenophobia, racism and hatred anywhere? Even Sheep and Foxes cannot be Armenian or Kurdistani? The modern Turkish nationalism is founded of the denial of reality and has been indoctrinating its population in this denial and hatred on any thing that is not Turkish. This is fundamental problem for every one who has to deal with Turkish regime. Despite every thing the official doctrine is totally bankrupted and regime is very weak. Change of regime is unavoidable in Turkey and its necessary.

Amed Demirhan

e-mail: ameddemirhan@hotmail.com

Florida, USA















KurdistanObserver.com

Rizgar:

The Most Distinguish Characteristic of Modern Turkish Nationalism:

Denial of Reality, Xenophobia, Racism, and Anti-Semitism

By: Amed Demirhan

Mar 7, 2005

The people in Turkey from elementary school and on are indoctrinated with denial of historical realities and socio-ethnographical and cultural diversity in their country. All form of mass media daily reinforces this abnormality, and any one that questions this, will become subject of the witch-hunt. When, one listens to mainstream Turkish politician and “educated class” one wonders if they are from the plant of Earth or somewhere else? The recent debate in Turkey is a typical example of this abnormalities: the government foreign policy; the mass medias which hunts against writer Orhan Pamuk statement in regards to Armenian genocide and crime against Kurds, and the Ministry of environment and forest changing name of wild animals just to exclude words Kurdistan and Armenian, and the increase in Anti-Semitism are typical characteristics of modern Turkish nationalism. This type of nationalism as evidenced in many historical examples is harmful to every one including the nation it advocate for, therefore, standing against current Turkish nationalism is as important as standing against Nazism, Stalinism, Saddams’ Regime and Bathism. It is in the best interest of Turkish people to be liberated from this illness.

The government of Turkey still refuses to call Bath’sist (Sunni-Hanafi) and Islamic Fascist in central Iraq terrorist. In the past many time Turkey had strongly protested United States lead freedom forces victory in the city of Falluga and Tell Afar, in Iraq, but until now it never protested terrorist attacks against civilian in Iraq. At the same time it had characterized Israel’s shelve defense acts against terrorist Islam-I Jihad organization as state terrorism. Recently a Turkish news portal “Haber X (3/2/050) reported that about 400 Turks are fighting against the USA lead freedom forces in Iraq with terrorist leader Al-Zarkavi. It noted that these fighters are veterans from Bosnian war against Serbia. This indicates that Turkish government knows who are these “Turkish – Islamic” fighters because almost all of those fighters that went to Bosnia, Chechnya, and in the past to Afghanistan went via Turkish intelligence services. In addition, in March first of this year 200 Turkish “intellectuals”: journalists, professors, writers, and some “civic” organization representative visited Syria to show their solidarity with Syrian dictatorship against Western pressure and the United Nation request for Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon. Most of these 200 people are closely related to the state (its hard to call them civilian). March 1, is significant, it is the day Turkish Parliament under Turkish military pressure refused to let the USA lead forces go through Turkey and open a second front against Saddams regime. This indicate that Turkish regime is the most anti-Westernization and democratization of the Middle East because it sees freedom as a treat to its regime.

One may expect a Turkey that had received a negotiation date from European Union (EU) may act little better internally but looking in a recent debate it is doubtful and domestic policy like its foreign policy is anti-democratic. Last week one of the most famous Turkish writers Orhan Pamuk in an interview stated, that One million Armenian and 30,000 Kurds had been victim of the state (Turkish state). About 90% of media commentators started a lynching company against the author and political organization like infamous “Gray Wolfe” movement send death treat to the author. In fact Mr. Pamuk’s statement could have been subject of a serious debate and his statement is very questionable because more than one million Armenian and Assurian/Keldan have been killed and the number of Kurds have been killed since foundation of the Turkish republic is very high and millions were deported from their homes. This shows how much free debate is possible in Turkey that prepares to join to EU?

The republic of Turkey prohibited every thing that wasn’t Turkish in historic multinational and cultural diverse geography and named them in Turkish from beginning. Apparently they have forgotten few wild animals name like: “‘Vulpes Vulpes Kürdistanicum” (A fox in Kurdistan area) and “Ovis Armeniana” (wild sheep in old Armenia) in their scientific classification. The ministry of environment and forest acted right away on this discovery and changed their name to Turkish. (http://www.haberx.com 3/5/05). I wonder if any one knows or heard this kind of xenophobia, racism and hatred anywhere? Even Sheep and Foxes cannot be Armenian or Kurdistani? The modern Turkish nationalism is founded of the denial of reality and has been indoctrinating its population in this denial and hatred on any thing that is not Turkish. This is fundamental problem for every one who has to deal with Turkish regime. Despite every thing the official doctrine is totally bankrupted and regime is very weak. Change of regime is unavoidable in Turkey and its necessary.

Amed Demirhan

e-mail: ameddemirhan@hotmail.com

Florida, USA















KurdistanObserver.com

Cihan:

Turkey is a secular unified country with one language Turkish. There are many ethnic branches which remains and created the mosaic today. As the founder of Turkey Ataturk once said "be joyous to be Turk" he meant it from a citizen point not ethno based. The terror in Turkey that has been waged by the PKK is to destabilze Turkey and divide if possible. They are a marksist leninsist organization,almost to the point of fasizm. They are like mercernaries, not defending an ideal but more less serving needs for outside sources or influences that want to destabilze the region. Kurds are part of this mosaic and have intermarried with Turks for overa millenia. They are no language bans in Turkey.

cavit:

I have read many comments on the article. And I have seen that kurdish fools are no less empty-headed than their turkish counterparts. nationalist sentiments inclines to fascisms in both sides. for being a turk, I always hated the comments accusing the other side. we, both turks and kurds, try to understand the other side and analyze the root-causes of the conflict. the age-old cliches wouldn't help us.
Again, the kurdish decry of the turkish people and their self-victimization is so naive.

cavit:

I have read many comments on the article. And I have seen that kurdish fools are no less empty-headed than their turkish counterparts. nationalist sentiments inclines to fascisms in both sides. for being a turk, I always hated the comments accusing the other side. we, both turks and kurds, try to understand the other side and analyze the root-causes of the conflict. the age-old cliches wouldn't help us.
Again, the kurdish decry of the turkish people and their self-victimization is so naive. supposedly, turks have always repressed, oppressed and harassed the kurds. come on guys, you are not an innocent girl molested by a turk. it doesn't work that way.
we, the turks bear more responsibility than the kurds, so we should be more tolerable..

Rachel:

I have no idea which revisionist version of Kurdish history you people find relevant. The simple fact is that there was a Kurdistan a few thousand years before there ever was a "Turkey". Turkey, Iran and Iraq were state creatures created after World War I when the Ottomans fell. They all took the traditional Kurdish regions for themselves. The only reason Turkey is attacking Kurdistan today has nothing to do with the PKK but rather, the huge oil reserves located in Kirkuk. Let us call a spade a spade. When Turkey spends its' legislative time cancelling out historically- Kurdish named native plant and animal species and renaming them as Turkish, then their attempts at domination and extermination of Kurdish regional identity becomes abundantly clear. It is still illegal to write or speak in the Kurdish language in Turkey. Their increasingly religious-dominated Parliament threatens the secular Kurds who are among the most tolerant of ethnic groups in the Middle East.

Cihan:

It seems like the the newly emerging northern iraq called kurdish region seems its riding high on ethnic feodal nationalism or maybe to the point of fasizm under the wings of Barzani is playing the wrong cards.If it wasnt for Turkeys 15 yrs northern no fly zone program and also opening the doors to 400000 northern iraq kurds from saddam during irag war 1 the region would definetly be worst off. unfortunely barzani and its cohorts have been protecting ,funneling weapons, lojistics and who knows what else to the terorist org called PKK to continue their attack to murder Turkish soldiers and civilians. They claim they dont but everybody in the world does. Barzani and its cohorts should totally wipe clean their hands from such activity becuase it will backfire as it is now.

Ayoubyosia:

One of the greatest lessons all of Humanity learnt after world War II was and still is that no nation nor people shall ever again be subjected to "genocide" as the Jewish people or Nation.That was a recognition and atonement forpast sins and a new convenant with the Almighty God our Creatoor!!.Hence, the recognition of the "Armenian genocide" at the hands of the successors of the Islamic Caliphate(Ottoman Empire);against defenceless Armenian Christain citizens of the Ottoman Empire/Turkey;is just one example of what a new Islamic Caliphate is capable of.Ask the Asians and the Africans and they will educate you what the world willbe like if Godforbids another caliphate emerges in this nuclear age!!!.

ayoubyosia:

Once again,the Iraqi/Kurdish Governments have proven to the world how incapable and incompetent they are in taking the destiny of their nation into their hands; and allow a few terrorists to blackmail their nation.Worst,it has reduced the the "Most pro-eminent and powerful nation on Earth, the USA; into insignificance, powerlessness and spectator rather than shaper of worldevents.What a pity!!!.
The question is when will the Iraqi nation grow up?. The honeymoon of liberation,free dollars and free protection will surely come to an end with the Bush administration.Then what,"another golden opportunity lost".So typical of the Arab Nation!!!

arif türkoğlu:

well.. i hvent any objection to be ounding of kurdistan.. condition that to be piss of from türkey..

arif türkoğlu:

well.. i hvent any objection to be ounding of kurdistan.. condition that to be piss of from türkey..

arif türkoğlu:

well.. i hvent any objection to be ounding of kurdistan.. condition that to be piss of from türkey..

Assyrian American:

The Kurds should be more inclusive of and less violent toward Assyrians (also known as the Christians of Iraq.)

Amjad Wyne:

I think Kurds should only be held responsible for their actions against Turkey and nothing more. Which to me means that Turkey should fix these thugs once and for all.

SHERWAN MERGESORI:

Peshmerga will remail a vital source for surviving Kurds from any threats. It is clear that a Greater Middle Eastern will be different after emerging the Kurdish cause in the region. I am 100% sure that those countries hosting Kurds will disintegrate including Turkey as Iraq has been passing through right now. Therefore, the Turkish government do their best at least to spare more time. The Turkish Prime Minister stated that PKK owning heavy weapons such as artillaries, tanks, and long range missiles, he doesn't mean the PKKs, however, he means the KRG Forces.

Mariwan Kirkuki:

Dear friends,
Please visit the following pages:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeCbkY7wZTc&mode=related&search=
2. www.kdp.pp.se
3. www.puk.org
4. www.krg.org
5. www.roj.tv
6. www.www.kurdistanobserver.com

MUCURLU:

to;IHSAN mr ihsan,as i saidin my comments truth hurts. i would have feel like you if idid not know who is my parents.and thats gonna hurt you for rest of your life,you cant run away from it.because you cant take this sort of true comments to your thick head to undersatand.thats way for people like you , in your washed brain very hard to explain the past, you know if you dont understand then we going to do what we have to.that is wipe of the insects.FOR GOOD.and we will ..put this in your f#@king thick head..........

nuke em all:

send the final solution an atomic bomb. we did to japan twice & we can do it again.

Hadi Gardi:

The US Congress must recognize the Kurdish genocide as well. During Turkish campaigns against Armenians, hunderds of Kurdish civilians had been murdered, thousands of villages had been leveled, and thousands had been displaced! Moreover, we the Kurds have been the victims of Sykes Picot demarcation in the modern history. If the congress pass the resolution, the US government have to mobilize the Incerlik Base into Kurdistan Region to support the mission inside Iraq, because it is obvious that the KRG and its people are the real US real partners in the region, they will remain as so and it supports the Kurds from any regional threats. The Turkish PM himself Mr. Recepp Teyyp Urduan had Publically stated once that we the Turks oppose a Kurdish state even in Argentina. It shows the mentality of their middle ages!

Barwari from the heart of Kurdistan!:

I would like to let my Kurdish friends know that Hassan Can Turk's opinion can not count. This is because he is a JASH (a name given to the mercenaries) by our beloved leader Mollah Mustefa Barzani. So, Hassan Jash could you tell me what the Turks did to the only Kurdish Politician that managed to rule the Turks (OZAL) (...Just so you know he got poisoned by your partners in crime.

Chris Inwien:

How much did this dude pay his American lobbyists to write this tear-jerker for him? Did they register as foreign agents?

He says, "The Kurds are America's most loyal and trusted allies in pursuit of an independent, democratic and federal Iraq."

Yeah, right, They want their oil, they've had American air protection for 15 years, and the place is swarming with Israeli Mossad agents stirring up dissension so the turmoil continues. Money is being passed around in paper bags full of $100 bills.

The Kurds want to have it both ways: independence from the rest of Iraq (which will threaten not only Turkey, but Iran and Syria), and a tamed Turkey -- "our friends" -- who will leave them alone while the terrorists attack innocent Turks.

The sad truth is that if the Kurdish Regional Government of Iraq tries to control the PKK, the PKK terrorists will turn on it. So much for the "noninterference" claim. The Kurds in Iraq simply can't have it both ways.

Ssantiago:

Bill Clinton could not pass this resolution when he was President because he knew that it would harm him when having to deal with Iraq. So what is it that the current leaders in the Dem party do not get? Could it be common sense? Why is there no declaration of genocide in Darfur, how about Rowanda during Clinton's time. This all makes no sense! None of this makes any sense. Only those countries and the peoples of those countries can make declarations of their own history. Can you imagine if France decided to make the statement that people from Africa taken as slaves to the USA were enslaved and killed in the manner of genocide? That the proclamation would come out stating that the USA was a genocidal country that tortured and enslaved an independent people? This is horrible and wrong and if any USA citizen subscribes to this, they are initiating their own demise.

Ssantiago:

Bill Clinton could not pass this resolution when he was President because he knew that it would harm him when having to deal with Iraq. So what is it that the current leaders in the Dem party do not get? Could it be common sense? Why is there no declaration of genocide in Darfur, how about Rowanda during Clinton's time. This all makes no sense! None of this makes any sense. Only those countries and the peoples of those countries can make declarations of their own history. Can you imagine if France decided to make the statement that people from Africa taken as slaves to the USA were enslaved and killed in the manner of genocide? That the proclamation would come out stating that the USA was a genocidal country that tortured and enslaved an independent people? This is horrible and wrong and if any USA citizen subscribes to this, they are initiating their own demise.

rasti:

After the Turkish Parliament voted to disallow American troops in Turkey for an Iraq war, Turkish prime minister Bulent Ecevit phoned President George W Bush:

“I had a dream about the United States” he said. “I could see the whole country, and over every building and home was a banner,” said Ecevit.

“What was on the banner?” asked President Bush.

“Long live Turkish-American friendship” answered the Turkish prime minister.

“I'm so glad you called” said President Bush. “I, too, had a dream. In my dream, I saw Turkey and it was more beautiful than ever; totally rebuilt with many tall, gleaming office buildings, large residential subdivisions with swimming pools in every yard; and over every building and home was a big, beautiful banner.”

“What did the banner say?” asked Mr. Ecevit.

“I don't know,” answered the president, “I can't read Armenian.”

j:

The Turks are monsters, plain and simple. Not only because of the genocides they organized over the years, but because they still refuse to admit any of it. Too bad the Young Turks didn't have terrorism to use as a red herring like Turkey's current leaders do. And they learned that from the US.

This whole situation is a perfect illustration of how our moronic president has reduced our standing in the world. The world's only 'superpower', being pressured by, of all countries, Turkey.

How very very sad.

katman:

Salih is very wise and this applies to all vermin when says:

What you need to do is quite simple:
Instead of giving PKK shelter, drive them out. You don't even need to hand them over to Turkey. Drive them out, so that they can't attack from *your* soil to *our* soil. If attack to *our* soil comes from *your* soil, you put *your* soil under danger. They are as bad for the Kurds as for us.
We aren't so enthusiastic in entering Kurdistan. No, we really don't want. If we wanted, we'd enter with USA, in 2003. But we didn't want it. We still don't want it. Just don't push us too much. You know, if you corner a cat, it'll attack. We can't back anymore. Pretty simple. PKK is sheltered in Kurdistan. They are setting their attacks from Kurdistan. So, be a good neighbor and don't hide the vermin among you. They can turn to you in the future.

ken:

Whoever said Kurds and Armenians are friends? Trust me, I'm an Armenian and the Kurd was not our friend during the Genocide and certainly is not now. The Kurds helped the Turks take out their barbaric acts.

Mariano Patalinjug:

It is obvious that Turkey has reached the limits of its patience as far as the continued depredations and mayhem caused by those Kurdish rebels who routinely seek refuge in Kurdistan.

Kurdistan has failed miserably to rein in those Kurdish rebels, in spite of repeated complaints and representations made by Turkey.

Now the Turkish military, which is reported to wield considerable political power in Turkey, is urging their Parliament to authorize them to cross the border into Kurdistan and go after those Kurdish rebels.

It is possible that the Turkish Parliament is itself now in a mood to give the military the authority it seeks.

Once the Turkish military has this authority, we can expect a sizable military force to cross the border into Kurdistan without delay in search of those Kurdish rebels wherever they are.

This crossing of the border into Kurdistan is in reality an invasion by Turkey of another independent and sovereign state, Iraq. Although Kurdistan considers itself an "autonomous region," constitutionaly it is still very much a part of the national territory of Iraq.

In the event, will Iraqi military forces respond by repelling the Turkish invasion of Iraq, which constitutionally it is their duty to do?

And what will US forces in Iraq, now numbering some 160,000, under the command of Gen. David Petraeus, do in a clash of arms between Turkish and Iraqi forces?

Those US forces are now stuck in a quagmire in Iraq, and find themselves in the midst of a raging civil war between Sunnis and Shiites in which those US foces have no business mediating or interfering.

A Turkish invasion of Iraq can only prove another serious complication for those US forces.
MarPatalinjug@aol.com

anonymous:

if the turks want peace inside Turkey and in their borders they must understand that they have to treat their people and other people to, kurds and turks alike, with respect and not to deny them their basic human rights.The solution to their problem will come by full democratisation and by talking and treating with dignity kurdish and other opressed minorities inside Turkey and not by killing them.if they want to be part of Europe and the civilised world they have to change tactics. Kurds do no attack turkish soldiers and their collaborators for fun.it is obvious that they took up arms because they saw no other way of achieving their freedom.to day they are called terrorists but tomorrow when they succeed in their goal will no doubt be called great patriots and freedom fighters.History is full of such examples. On the other hand Turkey despite recent small progress in demokratic reforms is still under the control of the generals and the army and as long this anomaly exist neither the turkish people nor the kurdish minority will enjoy real freedom and full civil libereties.The problem of turkey is a problem of an anachronistic regime and until that is solved it will continue to generate instability inside and outside turkey.

mhr:

The liberal Democrats who pushed for the Armenian resolution hoped for two results: votes from the Armenian community and crippling the US effort in Iraq. Democrats are heavily invested in a US defeat there. There is an election next year and nothing matters more to Democrats than winning elections- even if the price is the defeat of their country. An unexpected consequence is what will happen to the Kurds. Nothing good will come from the resolution and much bad will.

Turk in The US:

Without Turkey no one can try to shape the Middle East.

From Revan to Tebriz to Kerkuk Turkey will protect its national interests.

A.Postallian:

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

A.Postallian:

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

A.Postallian:

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

A.Postallian:

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

A.Postallian:

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

A.Postallian:

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

A.Postallian:

the only reason turkey wants to invade Iraq is the OIL,OIL. The terroristic attacks have been very minimal.

Baqi Barzani:

The Armenian Genocide is not related to PKK, Turkey and Kurdish dilemma at all.

Matter of fact, the Kurds have always supported the Armenian cause. The friendship between the Kurds and Armenians is very strong. Both the Kurds and Armenia have been the victims of Turkish genocidal campaigns. Turkey must recognize the Armenian genocides and grant the 25 million Kurds their rights.

Alex Postallian:

The only reason the turks want to go into Iraq is the Oil,Oil,OIl. The insurgency,terrorist deployment has been very minimum.What the turks did to their minorities over the years is really retribution,and its about time.I dont want to offend jerkiness(turkishness)but its long over due. .

Alex Postallian:

The only reason the turks want to go into Iraq is the Oil,Oil,OIl. The insurgency,terrorist deployment has been very minimum.What the turks did to their minorities over the years is really retribution,and its about time.I dont want to offend jerkiness(turkishness)but its long over due. .

Alex Postallian:

The only reason the turks want to go into Iraq is the Oil,Oil,OIl. The insurgency,terrorist deployment has been very minimum.What the turks did to their minorities over the years is really retribution,and its about time.I dont want to offend jerkiness(turkishness)but its long over due. .

Alex Postallian:

The only reason the turks want to go into Iraq is the Oil,Oil,OIl. The insurgency,terrorist deployment has been very minimum.What the turks did to their minorities over the years is really retribution,and its about time.I dont want to offend jerkiness(turkishness)but its long over due. .

steve:

Dlear
Your post is silly nonsense, it belongs in the childrens playground where kids make up stories .

steve:

Dlear
Your post is silly nonsense, it belongs in the childrens playground where kids make up stories .

steve:

Dlear
Your post is silly nonsense, it belongs in the childrens playground where kids make up stories .

ozan:

Washington Post,
Where did you find this Falan Mustafa Bakir?
What is the connection between Turkish possible military attack and voting of Armenian proposal?
Turkish parliament simlpy has to protect its citizens. Please watch some news and learn whats going on in Turkey! These PKK guys are coming from nothern Iraq, killing both civilians and soldiers, even Kurdish people who don't want to help them. They are placing landmines. This is simply terrorism. Even Kurdish Political Party(DTP) stands on the otherside, opposes their attacks.
Guys,
I have Kurdish friends. Most of them are not supporting PKK. We can't name those people killing innocent civilians as separatist, rebellion forces. They are making money from drug business,(drugs going all over Europe),guns, gas..
They are considered to be terrorist by USA and European Union. However they are still getting help form local governers. This is what makes it a necessity for Turkey to defend himself.

ozan:

Washington Post,
Where did you find this Falan Mustafa Bakir?
What is the connection between Turkish possible military attack and voting of Armenian proposal?
Turkish parliament simlpy has to protect its citizens. Please watch some news and learn whats going on in Turkey! These PKK guys are coming from nothern Iraq, killing both civilians and soldiers, even Kurdish people who don't want to help them. They are placing landmines. This is simply terrorism. Even Kurdish Political Party(DTP) stands on the otherside, opposes their attacks.
Guys,
I have Kurdish friends. Most of them are not supporting PKK. We can't name those people killing innocent civilians as separatist, rebellion forces. They are making money from drug business,(drugs going all over Europe),guns, gas..
They are considered to be terrorist by USA and European Union. However they are still getting help form local governers. This is what makes it a necessity for Turkey to defend himself.

ozan:

Washington Post,
Where did you find this Falan Mustafa Bakir?
What is the connection between Turkish possible military attack and voting of Armenian proposal?
Turkish parliament simlpy has to protect its citizens. Please watch some news and learn whats going on in Turkey! These PKK guys are coming from nothern Iraq, killing both civilians and soldiers, even Kurdish people who don't want to help them. They are placing landmines. This is simply terrorism. Even Kurdish Political Party(DTP) stands on the otherside, opposes their attacks.
Guys,
I have Kurdish friends. Most of them are not supporting PKK. We can't name those people killing innocent civilians as separatist, rebellion forces. They are making money from drug business,(drugs going all over Europe),guns, gas..
They are considered to be terrorist by USA and European Union. However they are still getting help form local governers. This is what makes it a necessity for Turkey to defend himself.

steve:

Listen guys as long as ignorant kurds (ie kurds who think they will end up with their own state) continue to call the nothern part of Iraq as 'southern kurdistan' then they will have Turkey breathing down there necks for ever and a day. So wise up, learn to live like normal civilized people who respect other countries sovereign integretory and stop taunting the hand that feeds you because if Turkey simply closes its border with Iraq then she can starve and suffocate you in no time at all.

Biz:

Whilst violence of any sort is not right the Kurds have been driven to it, villages bulldozed away, their language banned in public till 1999! No recognition even though they have had a homeland there for thousands of years. Turkey is a cowardly bully!

Biz:

Whilst violence of any sort is not right the Kurds have been driven to it, villages bulldozed away, their language banned in public till 1999! No recognition even though they have had a homeland there for thousands of years. Turkey is a cowardly bully!

Dlear:

Oh Mighty God!

I am just shocked of the mentality of some of the comment writers or so called.
They say Turkey is part of Europe, and I say " the phenomenon “European” is neither a matter of land or race, but a matter of mentality" You can’t become what your aren’t!

Some hate the Kurds, some tired of then, and some warns, each of you have a point of view, but in a civilized world you all are equal in terms of rights!

Dear Mr. America, were you a CIA agent stationed in Turkey for 10 years? How many Jan- dermas and MIT agents did you train in diverse methods of Killing unarmed 12 year old Kurdish boys, and those who sing for Kurdistan?

Dear Victoria we know the American friendship is interest based and shift with the sun as sun-flowers do all day round!

It is time to forget the western for granted mentality and think of the millions of innocent killed by these occupying state terrorist armies!
The equation of politics is a very unclear and difficult to understand by many, particularly simple people like Hasan Can who seems lacking the basics of writing and self respect before respecting others. Offending is not a character of Hasan alone, he has definitely served few days in the Army!
The Turkish army generals “ the western seculars” do not see the Kurds as human beings but a direct threat to the very existence of the Turkish state and Turkish-ness! One can wonder why!
Yes, there might be 300 million Turkish speaking people in the South Russian Republics. The History tells us how brutal Holaco and Jingiskan were, the Chin republic of China dynasty many thousand years ago build the famous Chinese wall to protect themselves from the Mongol invaders (Turks) from the north, read history.

The reality is that the American tax money is still spent on Turkish Black Hawk helicopters and military equipment and men like you and those who handed Mr. Ocalan to the MIT agents in Kenya with a blessing from White House, do what they are told without questioning!

The Kurds have survived many Holaco and Jingiskans and will survive this round too, but what is the next! There are no winners in a war! May be one party suffers more causalities or destructions, but will rise again. Ataturk failed to assimilate the 20+ million Kurds in Northern Kurdistan, so would do all his successors! No one would ever succeed to kneel the Kurds! Not when the national awareness of the North Kurds has broken the barriers of the Ataturk assimilation laws.

The PKK was declared as terrorist not for political reasons, not for actions. How many airbuses have blown up in the air? How many ministers and ambassadors have they killed? How many planes did they crush into the twin towers? Despite they have been deceived by everyone. If the would have been terrorist they would have joined Arms with enemies of US and West, but they have respect for those who do not respect them!!! What if they join arms with AQ? They have repeatedly declared cease fire in the past, but the arrogant Turks ignored their call for peaceful settlement! The South Kurds tried everything one could do to forge an alliance with a neighbouring nation (Turkey), President Barzani in 1990es, offered President Turgut Özal that South Kurdistan would declare independence from Iraq and Join Turkey in a Confederation (Union), the military refused, and when President Turgut Özal had his heart attack, he was denied medical care!!!.
President Barzani did all what he could do to satisfy the Turkish state, even after that first rejection! He lost at least 3000 of the best of the Peshmergas in fights against PKK in the harsh terrains of Mount Kandil fighting alongside the Turkish army, to bring him nothing but denial and accusations by the Turkish military and belittling by the government in Ankara.

Most of you outsiders seem not to grasp the point. The Turkish PM declared two years ago, that he is against a Kurdish state “even in Argentine”!! Who of you westerns would ever accept denial of your birth rights! You wouldn’t bear one day what the Kurdish kids been standing for 100es of years, thanks for your tax money spend on bullets killing them. You should not accuse the Kurds and play political scientists with trivial amount of knowledge, go and tell white house to stop sending your tax billions to man killer state terrorists.

Mike, what a pity on you, you must be a very ignorant Christian! You advocate Christianity and peace, but seem never question you government sending your tax money in arm support to train Muslim Turkey man killers! I am so sorry for you.

Mucurlu, What a big shame!!! You seem to be very back-drawn not knowing that the genetics of most of the Turks are very similar to that of the Kurds’, Armenians’, Greeks and Georgians’ who are the endogenous people to Anatolia and the ancestors of most of the Turks. The Mongolian genes of the Turkish nation is less than 3% among the Turks, or those who changed their language and call themselves Turks, whether by force or own will for acquisition of wealth and power during the Ottoman empire!

Dan Asta you are far away in lands where individualism is strong and no parents or siblings get punished for their relative’s actions, but that is Middle East! Only few weeks ago the American Army stanched an Iranian delegate member in Sulaimania from his hotel room under the pretext that he was in charge of military operations against US army in Iraq, but in revenge the Iranians shut the border gates with Kurdistan and paralyzed the entire eastern regions trade as a punishment for the American action. It is obvious that the Turks would do the same. You just seem never learn how others think, they can not attack American they attack their weak allies!!!

Stuart do some research and widen your views. What could one do with the impossible, even the state department is tired of them too, they call the Turks “Difficult customers”.

Asim Ma I do feel sorry for you from the depth of my heart. What such a wonderful pro terrorist Palestinian like you is doing in San Antonio? Are you a sleeper cell of AQ? When are your going to detonate yourself in the name of your Islam? Don’t do it in US, the Kurds has no military treaty of bilateral defence with Israel, Turkey does have one! Be a man and a proud Turk, detonate your bombs in Ankara and get rid your nation of the shame of hiding in the arms of the “Fasik” in San Antonio!!!!!!

I can write and comment all night long on your stupid comments that worth nothing but ignoring them, and it feels like I am talking to a wall! The worse enemy is an illiterate enemy! Turkey is risking US$ 5B worth trade with South Kurdistan, and spends billions on the war machinery that pounded its economy to the verge of collapse in early 1990es if not for US money “World bank loans”. It should have learned from others experience Iran and Iraq and the long war with Cyprus and Greece, “in war no one is a winner, in peace everyone is a winner” there is a Hungarian proverb says “ a clever man learns from others mistakes, a stupid man doesn’t might learns from his own mistakes”

For the Armenian friends, you have been sometimes unjust so harshly criticising the Kurds as a nation, we housed you when the Greeks expelled you thousands of years ago when we were not Muslims! May be you have been fed with anti Kurdish propaganda, and sometimes express hate towards the Kurds. I understand you point of view to some extend, but let me remind you that the Kurds are and always were your true friends. We have so many times expressed our regrets for all the Armenian and the Kurdish lives lost on the hands of the Turks and condemned those Kurdish mercenaries who had then sold their sole to the Turks in the name of Islam, but you still seem not accepting a mans regret, while the Turks still deny you even the happening of those terrible massacres in 1915.

There are and always will be mercenaries among all nations on this planet. Weak people who sell their sole cheap and do others harm, does not represent entire nations. I have a good Armenian friend whose families were saved by the same Kurds you criticize from ultimate death by the Turks, those Kurds risked their own and family’s lives, for the sake of Humanity! It is time for us to join efforts and forget the past, we have stepped beyond 1915, where the Turks seem to have stood still!

Aran:

Some members of this board want the Kurds to accept the status quo!! which means Kurds be slaves..the fascist junta should have a free hand in destroying the Kurdistan's villages...and Kurdish people should become "mountain Turks".."Happy is who calls himself a Turk!!".....
The Kurds not only have the right but the duty to fight for freedom, democracy, self-determination, and statehood. Screw the status quo id that means Kurds being enslaved... The criminal junta will add a black scar in its ugly face with the murder of each child and with the destruction of each village in Kudistan.....You want oil in Kirkuk,,,but that city is the heart and Quds of Kurdistan..how can a heart be given away to the junta?..

cetin:

Mr. Bakir writes: "The Kurdistan Region is Iraq’s safest and most secure. But we may soon pay a heavy price for the actions of the PKK in Turkey, and for a House Foreign Affairs Committee vote about Armenia in the U.S. – neither of which have anything to do with the Kurds of Iraq or the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG.)"

I cannot believe how someone can write something like this. It is very enigmatic and problematic, even according to the Middle East standards, where apperantly no proof is needed for an argument.

(1) North Iraq is not a safe place. If it was a safe place, PKK wouldn't have had a training base there. PKK's ability to shoot into Turkey from North Iraq and to train terorists to ambush Turkish troops in the border region must tell you one thing: That place is NOT safe.

(2) PKK cannot train, house and transport 3000+ terrorists in N. Iraq without the approval and knowledge of the local Kurdish government, which controls all the roads with countless checkpoints. It is clear that Iraqi Kurds are supporting PKK and are lying about it.

I am not sure how this article got published in the WP, someone really needs to check the logic of such articles.

Don't put the blame on Armenians or anyone else. And keep in mind supporting terror is always a tricky business.

cetin:

Mr. Bakir writes: "The Kurdistan Region is Iraq’s safest and most secure. But we may soon pay a heavy price for the actions of the PKK in Turkey, and for a House Foreign Affairs Committee vote about Armenia in the U.S. – neither of which have anything to do with the Kurds of Iraq or the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG.)"

I cannot believe how someone can write something like this. It is very enigmatic and problematic, even according to the Middle East standards, where apperantly no proof is needed for an argument.

(1) North Iraq is not a safe place. If it was a safe place, PKK wouldn't have had a training base there. PKK's ability to shoot into Turkey from North Iraq and to train terorists to ambush Turkish troops in the border region must tell you one thing: That place is NOT safe.

(2) PKK cannot train, house and transport 3000+ terrorists in N. Iraq without the approval and knowledge of the local Kurdish government, which controls all the roads with countless checkpoints. It is clear that Iraqi Kurds are supporting PKK and are lying about it.

I am not sure how this article got published in the WP, someone really needs to check the logic of such articles.

Don't put the blame on Armenians or anyone else. And keep in mind supporting terror is always a tricky business.

Turkman Ambassador of the World:

The USA can't be our friend and at the same time harm our friendship. Us Turks do not need friends like this no matter what the costs.

Why has American weapons showed up in Turkey used againts the Republic by PKK terrorists?

Why would a friend allow inaccurate history to create tension and unimaginable consequences?

Why does the USA think it can dictate its policies around the world?

I could only think of a secret plan of destruction in the region and we Turks will not tolerate this to happen.

If the Kurds in Iraq respect the Turkish republic then actions should be taken without delay.

And for all those haters, we are ready to defend what we believe in so please don't push the wrong buttons, we also have buttons we can push!

With respect to mankind and our forefathers Adam and Eve

Lord of the land (Turkey):

Kurds around the world should be at ease and relax. Turkey respects the Kurds in Turkey and treat them like brothers and sisters.

Kurds around the world should not accuse Turkey for wrong doing as Turkey is legitimately trying to stop terror on its land. If you support terrorists then you should accept the consequences of a bloody war that Turkey does not want.

Turkey don't need oil to survive like some sugest. Turkey as a remarkable and dynamic economy.

So please all those war firsty creeps stop this or we will see the start of a new war that the majorty of mankind does not want. Lessons from WW1 + WW2 should be learned and at all costs war should be only to eradicate terrorists such as the PKK.

My message is to my Kurdish brothers and sisters. Get your camp in order and accept the status quo or face a war that nobody wants.

TANER:

YETER ARTIK YA INSAN GIBI YASAYIN YADA BU TOPRAKLARI TERKEDIN DAHA FAZLA KAN DOKULMEDEN.

eamad j mazouri:

I see that many proponent of Turkish argument here are claiming that the whole issue is about PKK, and if they are evicted from there ( despite the fact that most of the attacks are happeing deeply in Turkish territories)everything will be alright and Turkey will stop threatening Iraqi Kurdistan.I doubt it if they have forgoten the speech given awhile back by the commander of land forces of Turkish Army and a similar remark by the chief of Staff of the Turkish Army.They both referred clearly to KRG and Kurdish entity in what they called Northern Iraq(Iraqi Kurdistan).Mr. Ilnur Cevik the next day wrote an editorial on that speech and indicated that - now it is clear that Turkey's main concern is not PKK, nor the implementation of article 140 of the Iraqi constitution of 2005, nor the Turkmens, but rather the developments in Northern Iraq as Kurds in Turkey are feeling moral support from there and possibly identify with that region and grow the sentiment of belonging to the area.
KRG has done everything in its power to build the best relations with Turkey and other neighbors. There are thousands of Turkish companies working in Iraqi Kurdistan and billions of dollars are invested and a huge trade across the borders.
Although Iraqi Kurdistan is part of the federal democratic Iraq and is recognized as such in the constitution, Turkey adamantly is refusing to recognize that and deal with KRG.Accordingly Turkey is rejecting the legitimacy of Iraqi state and constitution, and its the duty of Iraqi federal government to deal with this issue.The latest security accord signed between the two countries was done behind Kurds' back despite the huge represenation of Kurds in Baghdad which indicates the secretive nature of that treaty that cannot be carried out without the involvement of KRG, Now the continued bombardment of Kurdish village is a clear violation of that same treat, because we do not believe that Iraqi federal government is willing to be participant to invite foreign armies to bombard helpless villagers on daily basis causing, alot of propery damage ,spreading fear and chaos.KRG totally agree with Turkey that there is a problem and it needs to be resolved, what they differ on is the method. They insist on military option( have been tried before in vain) while KRG advice on the political dialogue( never been tried). Simply because KRG has bitter experience with military options. In the 1990's there was a close cooperation between both sides in this regards and those efforts did not pay off.
Kurds are accused of harboring separatists intentions. KRG repeatedly has called on concerned parties and explained their position on this issue which could be summed up as this: Kurds are not a minority, but a devided nation against its will.Like any other nation and according to all norms and laws they deserve to have a homeland and determine their own fate on their ancestral lands,however, KRG at present sees that the best options for Kurds is to stay part of the democratic, federal Iraq as long as this union is based on a voluntary one. Under such a scenario Kurds are having all their rights, short of statehood, while enjoying the protection of a sovereign state which is Iraq.KRG's Arab partners in the federal government in Bagdad must understand this point which is crucial for keeping Iraq together.Any compromise on their side will geopardize the integrity of the country.
Let's assume for a minute that Turkish parliament passed the resolution tomorrow, that does not mean the Turkish army will march immediately into Iraqi Kurdistan despite the build-up.There are many other considerations Turkey must deal with before taking that risk.The first thing that comes to mind, if Iraqi Kurdistan was invaded and let's assume once again Kurds did not resist the invasion.How far Turkish army will go deep inside Iraqi Kurdistan? Are they willing to march as far as Kirkuk? The other imposing question is what is next ? after they are inside?can they occupy Kurdistan and keep it and for how long?This is a point Iraqi Arabs need to pay attention to.
We must not forget that Turkey will be doing this uniliterally on her own against everybody's advice including US, EU and UN.
Kurdistan is part of Iraq and Iraq is under the protection of US and other allies.
What would be the reaction of all those?
How KRG and Iraqi federal Government will react?
What would be the reaction of Kurdistani and Iraqi people in general?
Would the Turkish move encourage Iran and Syria to do the same? How USA will react if that was the case? Let's remember that this is the only stable secure region in Iraq that USA is trying so hard to bring stabilty and tranquility about.
I would be surprised if any sober Turkish politician, military leader or parliamentarian authorize such a move by the Turkish army.
Many will lose if such a move was carried out, but I am certain the biggest loser at the end would be Turkey herself. The consequences Turkey will face as a result of this action will be uncertain but devastating.
It is illogical to resort to such harsh measures when you have other options available to you.Turkey has those options available to her and must use them.Dialogue with KRG would certainly resolve this problem or at least allowing Kurds to participate in the three party negotiations within the Iraqi delegation as they are main partners.

Hussein Tahiri :

Slipping away :

A report submitted on 16 July, 1925 by the commission appointed by the League of Nations to resolve the Mosul problem, stated that the Kurds formed the majority of the Mosul Vilayet (province). It concluded that since Kurds constituted five-eighth of the population, and were a distinct race from the Arabs or Turks, an independent Kurdish state should be established. However, for economic motives, Mosul was to be attached to Iraq. By then, the British had realised that Kirkuk, which was part of Mosul Vilayet, contained significant oil reserves. Consequently, the British spearheaded the campaign to make Mosul part of Iraq as without it Iraq could not be a viable state economically and strategically.


In 1930, an Anglo-Iraqi agreement was signed in which Britain’s mandate over Iraq ended, and Iraq was given independence. In this Anglo-Iraqi agreement, there were no provisions to secure Kurdish rights. The British abandoned the idea of an autonomous Kurdish state within Iraq and the Kurds were left at the mercy of the Iraqi state. The international community, particularly the British, failed the Kurds and paved the way for the Iraqi government to suppress, massacre, and commit genocide against the Kurds.


Realising the potential of Kirkuk, the Iraqi government soon began its Arabization campaign. From the 1930s and until the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, the Kurds and other minority ethnic groups were prevented from purchasing any land or houses in the region. In the last decade, Saddam Hussein’s regime had been forcibly removing Kurds from Kirkuk to reduce their numbers so that the government could claim Kirkuk was not Kurdish.


Kirkuk has been a contentious issue in Kurdish-Arab relations in Iraq and it will continue to be unless a solution is found. In 1970, the Iraqi Government granted the Kurds a comprehensive autonomy pact but Kirkuk was not included. The Iraqi government was not willing to let go of Kirkuk and neither was the Kurdish leadership. When Saddan Hussein’s government was overthrown in 2003, an opportunity was created for the Kurds to incorporate Kirkuk into Kurdistan. However, there have been several impediments.


The Iraqi factor


The new Iraqi government under immense pressure from the Kurds had to agree on the normalization of Kirkuk. This provision was incorporated into Iraqi permanent constitution under Article 140. The new Iraqi constitution was ratified on 15 October 2005 in a referendum by the Iraqi people, which made it mandatory for the Article 140 to be implemented.


Article 140 stipulates three steps: first, to reverse the process of Arabization in which tens of thousands of Kurds and non-Arabs were driven from Kirkuk and replaced with Arabs from central and southern Iraq. The settled Arabs are to be sent back to their original places while the Kurds and other non-Arabs who were forcibly removed to be resettled back in Kirkuk. Second, after the normalization process, a census scheduled for July 2007 is to be carried out. Third, a referendum would be held by the end of 2007 to determine the future of Kirkuk.


By late September, the first step of normalization has yet to be implemented. Arab Iraqis have been unwilling to implement Article 140. Sunni Arabs outright reject it, while Shiites have shown passive resistance. The Jafari government set obstacles. Maliki has expressed his willingness to implement the article, while in practice, he has created “technical problems” in the hope of delaying its implementation. This has put immense pressure on the Kurdish leadership.


The Kurdish factor


The Kurdish leadership failed to create an atmosphere in Kirkuk, which would be conducive to a friendly relationship among the Kurds, Arabs, and Turkmans. The leaders failed to convince these minorities that upon joining the Kurdistan Regional Government, their rights would be guaranteed. Instead, Turkey and other states exploited the Arab and Turkman sentiments against the Kurds. The relationship has reached a point where both Shiite and Sunni Arabs, and some Turkmans will under no circumstance agree for Kirkuk to be part of Kurdistan.


Still, the Kurdish leadership has been promising the Kurds that Article 140 will be implemented by the end of 2007, eventhough all indicators point to the fact that Article 140 will not be implemented by then. Realistically, it would be impossible to normalize the situation in three months, have a census and then hold a referendum.


Kurdistan Region President Masoud Barzani has been warning that if Article 140 is not implemented, there would be civil war. It is obvious that this is only a bluff. The Kurds are in no position to forcibly occupy Kirkuk. If they could, they would have done it when Saddam Hussein was overthrown. Any attempt to get back Kirkuk by force will invite the intervention of regional states. If the Kurds have cast their hope on US support, they will be sorely disappointed.


The US factor


The US is not in Iraq to protect the Kurds. At present, Kurdish and US interests in Iraq happen to be the same, and so the Kurds have benefitted from US foreign policy by default. There is no guarantee that the US will continue this support.


Many US analysts would also agree that US foreign policy has never been based on principle or morality. If the Kurds have forgotten Wilsonian principles of post-World War I, the 1975 and 1991 US abandonment of the Kurds, then they should not forget the recent leaked deal between the US and Turkish government to capture and hand over PKK leaders to Turkey.


Turkey has been bombarding the Kurdistan Region for months yet the US has not intervened to put a stop to it, despite the fact that the US is bound by international law to defend Iraq. Iran is considered an archenemy of the US, and yet the US has kept quiet over Iranian bombardment of Iraqi Kurdistan. As Kurdish politician Mahmud Osman said on 12 September 2007: “If the situation in Iraq improved, the US might not even say hello to Kurds.”


It would be naïve for the Kurdish leadership to believe that the US would support their claims on Kirkuk, against the wishes of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other US allies in the region. When Iraq was ‘liberated’, the Kurds captured Kirkuk but they were forced to hand it over to US forces. The US could push the Iraqi government to implement Article 140. Yet, it was reported on 16 August 2007, that US Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker said that it would seem highly improbable for the referendum to take place by the end of 2007. In fact, the US has been advising the Kurdish leadership to prepare the Kurds for a postponement of the Kirkuk referendum.


It seems more likely that the US would support Kirkuk to become part of Sunni Arab region. The Shiites have access to oil resources in the south and the Kurds in the north. The Sunni areas would need Kirkuk oil to be a viable region. In order for the US to appease the Sunnis and their Arab supporters, it would likely favor Kirkuk joining the Sunni Arab region. Furthermore, this deal could get Turkey supporting the US against Iran, in any future US attacks. The Mosul Vilayet was annexed to Iraq on purely economic reasons. These are the same players at work so why shouldn’t they apply the same principle? It seems that Kirkuk is slowly but surely slipping away from Kurdistan.


Dr. Hussein Tahiri is author of “The Structure of Kurdish Society and the Struggle for a Kurdish State”. He is a commentator on Middle Eastern affairs. He is currently an Honorary Research Associate with the School of Political and Social Inquiry, Monash University, Australia.

Salih:

Wohoo Aran
Genocide against Kurds? I have no words to say... Really... I appreciate the congress commission passed the bill for vote... If the word "Genocide" is so light to use... If we implicated genocide, about 30% of Turkey wouldn't be Kurds. Come on, use terms accordingly. Oh my god. I should repeat my post to another article I guess...
We the Turks, did all the genocides in the world in the history. If you don't believe, well, there's someone believes it. Because we are Turks. And it's enough to stick that tag.
Aran, Most of that 30 thousand people were in fact Kurds. But they were our citizens. Do you understand it? I guess no. OK, no problem. We are the "Genociders" of the world. We killed anyone on two legs who aren't Turks. That's why, UN has more than 200 members right now. But we'll take care of it too... In 20 years, there will be less than 100 nations in UN. (I hope someone understands cynicism here! If they have enough Baconian education, of course.)

Aran:

A Kurdish poet, Sherko Bekas, once wrote a poem about the suffering of the people of Kurdistan by saying the deeper the would the closer we are to the death of dagger!

If the Turkish junta atacks Kurdistan..there will be immense destruction..suffering..killings..genocide..but it will eventually lead to a fire that will engulf the land under the filthy Turkish junta and might result in the demise of the nazi state of Turkey all together..!!
Turkish junta should be sent to Hague for the genocide against the Kurds..

Baqi Barzani:


To All Kurdish readers and writers:

Aljazeera.net (your views) and BBC (have your say) are also talking about whether Turkey should attack Kurdistan. Please participate and express your comments. Thanks.

Baqi Barzani:


To All Kurdish readers and writers:

Aljazeera.net (your views) and BBC (have your say) are also talking about whether Turkey should attack Kurdistan. Please participate and express your comment. Thanks.

Omer:

The Kurds should realise that they can not have
their own state by playing poodle to superpowers.
If they have the guts they should do what we Turks did for our independence after the First World War: Fight For It.
But since they don't have the guts all they can do is beg the French, US and others for them to give them a country of their own on a silver plate. The Kurdish terrorists' cowardly killing of Turkish civilians and soldiers will not gain them a state.
I feel so proud that we Turks have beaten all of these losers(Kurds, Armenians, Greeks)despite all the support they get from superpowers every time they crossed our path.
Kurds please grow up. Westerners hate you. They just use you. Your only real friend are the Turks. How quickly you forget who helped you when Saddam gassed you. It was the TURKS not the Greeks, French, German or others.

Salih:

To: DARIO ROCO
I'm sorry Dario, but I know what it means being a minority pretty well, I'm living not in Turkey but in Ukraine, where my wife was born.
First, I don't know where you are from, so I will just guess as USA.
Any Hispanic or Afro-American living in USA isn't required, but expected to be able to speak in English, although it's not the official language of USA.
Second, if they pay billions of $'s of tax then they must be earning at least 70% more than what they pay as tax (the highest limit in Turkey is 30% as tax) So going to private schools won't be a problem for them. In fact I've studied English language in a private school.
Third, according to independent statistics, Western Turkey, where I was born is paying more than they get from the government and east is paying much less than what tgey get from the government.
Fourth, if a Kurdish person, without rejecting his national identity, can be a prime minister or a president (Turgut Özal was a Kurd and he proudly told that he was a Kurd) then what else can be given? He ruled Turkey, all Turks, Kurds, Greek, Jewish and Armenian for 9 years without any problems. And in fact we thank him for his accomplishments.
One piece of information: Turkish Language as we speak is a "lingua franca" of our country. everybody is expected to speak it. But in reality not everybody can speak it, like in USA, as everybody is expected to speak English but not every citizen can speak.
There was a time, when the state tried to suppress the Kurdish people in Turkey. But it's past. Nobody is trying to suppress them. In my home town, which was majorly Greek, is now majorly Kurd, not even Turks.
So what should we do? Drive them back to eastern/south eastern Anatolia? (such a move is against our constitution: Every Turkish Republic Citizen has right to live, work and settle wherever she wants in the borders of Turkish Republic)
What we want is simple: Stop PKK attack us using the sanctuary in Kurdistan/Northern Iraq. And in fact, if we wish to cleanse Kurdish people, PKK would be helping us much. the 2 out of 13 soldiers killed last week were Kurds, and all 17 civilians killed by PKK are also Kurds. So, I'm calling this "PKK killed 30 of my citizens killed by PKK, regardless of their ethnical background.
I want them stop attacking us. In 80 years, we have solved some of our disputes inside and more to go. But without external intervention.
If we were against Kurds, in 2003, the release for USA to attack Iraq from Turkey would have passed, because the agreement between us and USA included 100.000 Turkish troops also would enter Iraq with them. You can check the congress and White House papers about these.
We all the times want to live with our neighbours in "peace".
Believe or not.

Aran:

More observations about the mind of the criminal Turlish junts that wants to destroy Kurdistan under the pretext of PKK presence in Southren Kurdistan...

Those Who Can't Bully USA, Bully Kurds

The real danger is not separation of the country, not secession of the Kurds from Turkey. It is rather secession of those who rule the country, its military force, its social-political and economic control mechanisms from realism and objectiveness.

BIA News Center
29/03/2005 Ertugrul KURKCU

BİA (Istanbul) - The 7th article of the Flag Law reads "(...) the flag cannot be torn, burnt, thrown on the ground (...) those acting against this law and statute will be prevented and investigated by the authorities ..."

According to the 8th article, those who are found guilty at the end of the investigation "will be sentenced according to the article 526 of the Turkish Criminal Law unless their crime warrants a heavier sentence." According to that article: "(...) unless the action results in another crime, the sentence will be 3 to 6 months imprisonment in a minimum-security prison and a light fine"

This is the argument the "law of the state" would use to frame the "flag tearing three kids" incident on March 20th Newroz celebrations in Mersin.

Looking at the news media there is nothing to suggest a disfunction in the process of the investigation. As the demonstration was ending an armed police officer took the flag being torn from the grips of the kids, the kids ran away but "14 year old V.S. and 12 year old C.S. were identified from video footage" and were detained last week.

Why is a “crime” committed by children and which has a legal consequence of "minimum-security imprisonment and a light fine" attracting such a barrage of reaction leaving one speechless, exaggerated favors; 2 years worth bonus pay to the police officer who took the flag from the children, audacious remarks, media driven condemnation campaigns and fascist demonstrations of nationalism.

Ultimately, at the “scene of the crime” the flag was prevented from being ripped: there isn't a "negligence of duty", the "suspects", kids, even if we assume that they are "criminals", have been detained and finally arrested: there isn't a "security" issue. Those who organized the rally say "that is our flag also, we wont let it be torn": there is no provocation or open defiance.

So what is the big deal? Why is an issue that legally and by mere common sense should be the responsibility of the "juvenile court", being blown out of proportion? Why are those who should be responsible for warning people who usher civil turmoil and make sure that all is turned back to normal, exploiting this to create a climate of nationalist Armageddon? Why are countless state institutions who are "claiming responsibility", specifically the army, the president, the parliament, the government, the political parties acting so immaturely?

If not grave, very serious...

In a society divided by deep inequalities, wrongfulness and injustices; shouldn't those rulers take a sigh of relief when 3 day long demonstrations accross the country attended by over one million people asserting their identity and culture aren't marred by any significant violence and the only thing that passes for an "incident" is a "light crime" committed by children,

Don't those who rule Turkey know that since 1999, if not before, the leaders of the hundreds of thousands who attend the Newroz demonstrations shape their politics and actions to conform with Turkey's "indivisible land integrity", that this was accepted not because of a "particular choice" but out of " strategical necessity"? Aren't all of these political decisions observed during "weekly meetings" of jailed PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan with his lawyers and monitored in the field by the security forces.?

Then, in contrast to the arguments of those, who are fanning the fire albeit knowing all these facts, the real danger is not separation of the country, not secession of the Kurds from Turkey.

The real "big danger" is the disconnection of those who rule the Republic of Turkey, its military force, its social-political and economic control mechanisms from reality and objectiveness. The real "big danger" is their lack of political determinedness and insight to champion policies based on reality and objectiveness vis-à-vis their ultra-nationalist, fascist adversaries and subordinates.

If this wasn't the case would the Military Chief of Staff , who directs an armed force of approximately 1 million and who holds Abdullah Ocalan prisoner, who "reports" the most insignificant intelligence, who are at the head of the most sophisticated state force in Turkey, sink to the level of children and pledge to "protect the country and it's flag to fight even for the price of the very last drop of their blood."

If that wasn't the case would the Military Chief of Staff issue a statement pointing to one sixth of the population by labelling them as "so-called citizens."?

Doesn't this expression strongly imply that their rights as such, their right to free expression and legal equality are also "so-called" rights for the "so-called citizens"?

Doesn't this statement issued by the Military Chief of Staff encourage those who have been hesitant towards trampling the rights of equal citizens that from now on that they have the "army behind them"?

The only reason why there haven’t been serious strife among the peoples of diverse ethnic origins is the common sense of citizens. But nobody can guarantee that the same situation will persist if this campaign would continue in similar intensity on all fronts for another year...

The relationship amongst citizens hasn't reached a level of serious tension yet, but it certainly is grave between leaders and society. Ultimately the end result of labelling part of the citizenry as "so-called citizens" and a media sanctioned advertising of this to society with or without "foreseeing " the consequences leads to the same outcome: The state is as such feeds a serious confrontation among the public.

The most important issue today is that those with social and political responsibilities understand the gravity of the situation and act accordingly. Yet for the past three days everyone who holds political powers, from the president to extra-parliamentary opposition groups, have behaved overtly fragile and inept with an almost reflexive reaction to one-up those to the right of them. Consequently “fascism” sets the standard for the actions and comprehension of our leaders.

The media, whose public duty is to check, criticize and warn those in power "fans the fire" and leads to increased public fermentation instead of airing programs to address the seriousness of the situation and help enlighten people.

Those who can't bully the US, bully the Kurds

Let's face up to reality, anyone who is encouraging hatred, enimity, hostility and resentment against the Kurds of Turkey is indeed trying to transfer the price of their incompetence in the international arena on to the shoulders of a "domestic enemy".

*Was the failure of the ridiculous supra-governmental foreign policy strategy of becoming a "regional power" regardless of the economic and cultural poverty due to the Kurds or because of those who foolishly thought they could challenge US interests with military power provided by the US?

*Who is responsible for Turkey being cornered in Cyprus after 30 years. The champions of false assumptions that international law could be disregarded and ambitions of gaining territorial influence outside of the “Anatolian peninsula" who claim ownership of the whole island od the Kurds?

*Who is hurting national pride? The Kurds or a European Union candidate Turkey who has accepted to conform itself with EU standards and agreements yet cannot move a finger unless clubbed by Brussels.

*Who is responsible for the ineffectiveness of “regional power” claims despite 300 billion dollars in internal and external debt? Th Kurds or those who have been drawing "red lines" within the territories of other countries?

The rulers of Turkey are paying their inability to replace the cold war status-quo after the fall of the United Soviet Republic of Russia (USSR) with anything but fluff by watching the direct US takeover of the region. The old days of cross-border assertions and practices of regional domination with the direct or indirect approval of Washington are over now.

The rulers of Turkey are paying the price of not implementing a democratic process that respects the multicultural nature of the society and instead subscribing to the "authoritarian democracy" notion what had been approved during the existence of the USSR.

Attacking the Kurds, the poor and the women every time when Ankara’s rulers come to loggerheads with crucial allies, international powers and institutions, Washington and Brussels, in the game of global power will never give back the regional influence lost by the rulers of Turkey for their lack of correct policies and foresight.

But it will "legitimize" the revanchism of those who are enraged of the slight tipping of the political balance in the last decade in favor of the poor, oppressed, neglected and excluded, under ultra-nationalism.

Those who feel themselves responsible of the good of Turkey need to see the prevention of such prospects as their number one priority, that is, if they wish not to remain mute before the readers of "Mein Kampf", whose numbers are reported to increase recently. (EK/AT/EK/YE)

Aran:

Some paper recently wrote when Kurds smell success, Turks go for the guns..

Read below the success story that criminal Turkish junta wants to destroy:

The Kurdish secret
By Thomas L. Friedman
The New York Times

September 3, 2007

Erbil-Hewler, Kurdistan region, -- Iraq today is a land of contrasts - mostly black and blacker. Travelling around the central Baghdad area the past few days, I saw little that really gave me hope that the different Iraqi sects can forge a social contract to live together. The only sliver of optimism I find here is in the one region where Iraqis don't live together: Kurdistan.

Imagine for a moment if one outcome of the US invasion of Iraq had been the creation of an American University of Iraq.
Imagine if we had triggered a flood of new investment into Iraq that had gone into new hotels, a big new convention center, office buildings, Internet cafes, two new international airports and Iraqi malls. Imagine if we had paved the way for an explosion of newspapers, even a local Human Rights Watch chapter, and new schools. Imagine if we had created an island of decency in Iraq, with public parks, where women could walk unveiled and not a single American soldier was ever killed - where Americans in fact were popular - and where Islam was practiced in its most tolerant and open manner. Imagine ...

Well, stop imagining. It's all happening in Kurdistan, the northern Iraqi region, home to four million Kurds. I saw all of the above in Kurdistan's two biggest towns, Erbil and Sulaimaniyah. The Bush team just never told anybody.

No, Kurdistan is not a democracy. It has real Parliamentary elections, but the region's executive branch is still more "Sopranos" than "West Wing," more Singapore than Switzerland - dominated by two rival clans, the Talabanis and the Barzanis. It has a vibrant free press, as long as you don't insult the leadership, and way too much crony-corruption. But it is democratizing, gradually nurturing the civil society and middle class needed for a real democracy.

On Oct. 17, the new American University of Iraq will open classes in Sulaimaniyah. "The board wanted three campuses, one in Kurdistan, one in Baghdad and one in Basra, but this is the only part of the country where an American University can open and function safely," said Owen Cargol, the school's chancellor.

Iraq is a disaster in so many ways, but at least America's invasion midwifed something really impressive in Kurdistan. And in the best way: we created the opening and the Kurds did the rest. But while the Kurds liberated their region from Saddam's army in the 1990s - with U.S. air cover - their current renaissance was only possible, they say, thanks to the overthrow of Saddam, their mortal enemy.

"Saddam's eyes were always on this region," said Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of the Kurdistan regional government.
Once he was toppled, "it gave us psychological hope for the future. Those who had even a limited amount of money started to invest, start small businesses or buy a car, because they thought they could see the future. The uncertainty was removed.
... We have to thank the American people and government. But we are a lover from only one side. We love America, but nothing in response. They don't want to give the perception that they are helping us."

Added Hoshyar Omar, a 23-year-old student-translator: "My father was buried alive [by Saddam's men] when I was 3. I want to thank Mr. George Bush personally. ... He may have made some bad decisions, but freeing Iraq was the best decision he has ever made. ... We had nothing and we built this Kurdistan that you see." Why is Kurdistan America's best-kept secret success? Because the Bush team is afraid the Kurds will break away. But the Kurds have no interest in splitting from Iraq now. Iraq's borders protect them from Turkey, Iran and Syria.

The Kurdish autonomous zone should be our model for Iraq. Does George Bush or Condi Rice have a better idea? Do they have any idea? Right now, we're surging aimlessly. Iraq's only hope is radical federalism - with Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds each running their own affairs, and Baghdad serving as an A.T.M., dispensing cash for all three. Let's get that on the table - now.

Months after Saddam's capture, a story made the rounds that he was asked, "If you were set free, could you stabilize Iraq again?" He supposedly said it would take him only "one hour and 10 minutes - one hour to go home and shower and 10 minutes to reunify Iraq." Maybe an iron-fisted dictator could do that. America can't.

"No one here accepts to be ruled ever again by the other," Kosrat Ali, Kurdistan's vice president, told me. "If you get all the American forces to occupy all of the towns and the cities of Iraq, you might be able to centralize Iraq again. That is the only way." Otherwise, "centralized rule is finished in Iraq."

mesut:

For God's sake,

US lost 3,000 innocent souls in 9/11 and launched two full scale wars in two countries.

Just one Israeli soldier was kidnapped and Israel razed Lebenon to the ground.

Turkey lost 30,000 innocents, including children, babies and pregrant women. And people are saying they are wrong to attack the terrorists in Iraq?

I guess "Being a Hypocrite" is the new hot thing in the world.

(Same goes with the Armenians of our generation too, whose grandfathers killed at least 1 Million Turks and Kurds during WW1, with the weapons they got from Russia. You cannot wipe your souls clean no matter how much you play the "innocent". We know and we will remember, even the whole world take amnesia pills)

Shwan:

If arrogance & ignorance were Olypic events, the Turkish generals would be serious contendors of gold medals! How can you destroy a nation, Nehro once about the Mustafa Kamal's attempts to destroy Kurds, that is willing to scarifise everything for freedpom?

I say never.......I say the peaceful Kurdish struggle for freedom should continue till we hear )and quote from the giant MLK) FREE AT LAST..FREE AT LAST..OH THANK ALMIGHTY WE ARE FREE AT LAST!!!!!!

Shwan:

If arrogance & ignorance were Olypic events, the Turkish generals would be serious contendors of gold medals! How can you destroy a nation, Nehro once about the Mustafa Kamal's attempts to destroy Kurds, that is willing to scarifise everything for freedpom?

I say never.......I say the peaceful Kurdish struggle for freedom should continue till we hear )and quote from the giant MLK) FREE AT LAST..FREE AT LAST..OH THANK ALMIGHTY WE ARE FREE AT LAST!!!!!!

american:

It sad to read so many historic and current inaccuracies and fiction.
Only fact is if PKK did not break the cease fire terms with Turkey and resume its attacks on military and civilians(both Turkic and Kurdish who do not provide aid,shelter, food money etc), this site and its much enlightened contributors would be discussing different topics.
PKK has been emboldened by the secret American efforts to have Kurds cause instability in Iran, which had a spill over effect in Turkey.
One thing is for sure, whatever wrong happens in the middle east, there is usually a western power behind it..

Kani:

Turkish Generals, the era of slavery is over....Kurds need and want freedom...destroying more of Kurdistan will not get you closer to your filthy aims!! Attacking Kurdistan will not solve your problems...You are the sick man of area...Maybe attacking Kurdistan will hasten your demise as a fasisist state......

Kurdistan:

Armenian genocide was done by Kurds and turks who were taking comands from Turkish Othoman army. as A Kurd we are ashamed of those people who contributed to this and fully support the bill that recognise this crime.

we donot like any nation to be treated badly. and now accept Turks brutality.

sha:

The Kurds were willing executioners of the Armenians during the 1915 genocide, and most Kurds are openly remorseful about this (unlike Turkey or the Turks). That being said, the current day issues between Turkey and the Kurds/Kurdistan are not the Armenians' problem, and certainly not the United States' problem. Don't blame Armenians or the United States for Turkey's continued irrational behavior on these issues.

sha:

The Kurds were willing executioners of the Armenians during the 1915 genocide, and most Kurds are openly remorseful about this (unlike Turkey or the Turks). That being said, the current day issues between Turkey and the Kurds/Kurdistan are not the Armenians' problem, and certainly not the United States' problem. Don't blame Armenians or the United States for Turkey's continued irrational and somewhat crazy behavior on these issues.

Turkey & Kurdistan:

For how many more years does Turkey plan to deny the existence of 30 million Kurds within Turkey and oppose the rights of the Kurds in the other parts of Kurdistan? for close to 90 years, the policy of forced assimiliation, destruction, genocide, lies, denials, and forced immigration of Kurds did not work to make Kurds be Turks!! Why should another bloody attack on the peacefull Southren Kurdistan make it beter for Turkey>
Turkey must realize that Kurds are people with genuine rights and they deserve freedom & democracy...

report on Kurdish human right abuse by turks:
Deyary Rakhtawan:

pkk was established when Turkish army was brutally Killing Kurds..PKK then defended Kurds against this army..now government became less influenced by army PKK offered cease fire many times. but Turkey didnot cease this opportunity and considered it a sign of weakness.

these Kurdish political parties in Turkish parliament are not allowed to express their Kurdishness all call themselves Kurdistan party. While Turkish parties call themselves Turkish party..

there are many discrimination against Kurds in Turkey I can go on for ever. but i just like to keep it short and say US should start to put Turkey in its place and let Turks know That they need to change and follow civilised world and not another way around.

Deyary Rakhtawan:

pkk was established when Turkish army was brutaly Killing Kurds..PKK then defended Kurds against this army..now government became less influenced by army PKK offered cease fire many times. but Turkey didnot cease this opportunity and considered it a sign of weakness.

these Kurdish political parties in Turkish parlament are not allowed to express their Kurdishness all call themselves Kurdistan party. while Turkish parties call themselves Turkish party..

there are many discrimination against Kurds in Turkey I can go on for ever. but i just like to keep it short and say US should start to put Turkey in its place and let Turks know That they need to change and follow civilised world and not otherwise.

Dario roco:

Salih there are over 15 million Kurds in Turkey. they pay Billion of $ tax to the government and unlike you turks who immigrated from Magnolia Kurds are indigenous people of the land. Kurdish have right to ask for their language to be used officially in Offices and Public Schools. Kurdish language should be used in all official documents like in Swissland, Finland ..many other parts of civilized world.

while under EU + PKK pressure turkey since 2 years ago allows education in Kurdish only in expensive private schools (remember Kurds in turkey can not afford to eat leave a lone going to private schools) the state creates numerous obstacles for these private schools who teach Kurdish and make it so expensive for the school to run so that not many Kurds can afford to go..this is a typical example how Turkey makes law to fool Europe while treating Kurds badly.

Turkey should grant Kurds full right and consider Kurdish language equal with Turkish. and grant PKK full amnesty in return for leaving their weapon and engagement in Political life. if turkey does such thing Iraqi Kurds will not let PKK stay in iraqi Kurdistan for 1 day.

SAMAN AHMED:

The Turkish Government has never proven Kurdish right. Where is their parliament? Schools and many more…..

Wake up Mr Hasssan you live one a different planet and know nothing about other people’s right apart from what you have learnt from your fellow Turks

Kurdish Human Rights Organization:

NEW DEVELOPMENT:

The European Court of Human Rights has launched an investigation about the claims that Turkish brutal military made use of chemical and biological weapons against PKK rebels. A decision is due by Dec.27.2007.

Baqi Barzani:

To: Victoria

Thanks for your time to investigate. Did you investigate the causalities on the other side, as well? I mean the tens of thousand of innocent Kurdish civilians who have been the victims of Turkish indiscriminate ethnic cleansing???

Salih:

Memo, I think you are a little outdated.
1. Kurds have right to learn Kurdish in any kind of Private schools, it's their granted right, like all other minorities in Turkey. Greeks have right to learn Greek in their own schools, not in public state schools, and it's the norm everywhere.
2. Kurdish people have the right to broadcast in Kurdish language, in fact there are several regional Radio and TV channels broadcasting in Kurdish. If they have audience, they may broadcast nationally too...
3. In their political party everyone understand Kurdish, they can of course make their propaganda or talk in Kurdish. But for example I wouldn't understand such a propaganda. Like me, Greek and Armenian minorities in Turkey won't also understand if they haven't studied Kurdish beforehand.
4. If a Kurdish person cannot speak the official state language, that person is provided with a translator in the Court or official institutions. This is the legal right of everyone who can't speak Turkish, not only for Kurds. You can't expect a judge to be able to speak all 70+ languages spoken by different minorities. They can speak in their own language and translator helps them. (By the way by saying being able to defend herself in Kurdish, which Kurdish? Zaza or Kyrmanchi. They aren't different dialects but totally different 2 languages that are spoken among Kurdish people in Turkey. Which one would you recommend me to learn?)
So, can you tell me, which of the basic rights are denied?
They can work anywhere in Turkey. They can travel anywhere in Turkey. They have exactly the same rights and obligations as I have.

memo:

think of in simple manner;
In Turkey, Kurds have no right to learn Kurdish in school and broadcasting in Kurdish. They have no right to make propaganda in Kurdish within any political party. They have no right to speak in the govenmental offices and defend themselves in the courts in Kurdish... as long as such basic rights are denied by Turkish state, Kurds will remain unsettled and uncompromised with Turks. What PKK wants is to have the very basic rights granted to Kurds. Any civilized state favours talks in peace to solve the problems but as far as I see Turkey sees the "solution" in waging war against Kurds.
and think in complicated manner now: Turkey is prepared to invade Southern Kurdistan (Nothern Iraq)on the pretex to haunt Kurdish rebels. Their agenda is quite different and, as many readers referred, the actual plan is to strike KRG and destabilize Kurdish de facto state there. However, what is shocking is the American's attidue towards Turkish policy. US government is reacting in so mild manner that encourages Turkey to carry out what she has already scheduled in details. There is no condemnation of US policy by Kurds, meaning as if all is right with them. The worst is I don't see any clue that a decisive plan has been made by KRG as how to defend Kurdish territory while I could sense how formideble the Turkish one have been delicately made. Is there yet a unity of Peshmergas set in Kurdistan? no...
one last point here, I encourage all pro peace, pro civilized readers no to squabble with Turkish baseless and ignorant attacks over the fora but to give message to enhance solidarity amongs the Kurds in these dire days.

Salih:

In fact, Hawks in US are accusing us to betray them in Iraq campaign. We tried hard to stop them. Really hard, but they preferred not to listen to us.
So later our parliament decided not to give access for invasion from Turkey, but still we continued logistical support for US army. (By the way, don't tell me that it's a coalition. 90% of that coalition is the US army)
So, still, you didn't listen to us and attacked. OK, it's your choice. But with your attack, you've caused a power vacuum in the area, filled by insurgents of different kinds. Kurds supported you, and it's also OK. It's their choice. I'm not objecting it. It's their internal affair. And we supported the Kurds also, economically and logistically. All the electricity to the Kurdish region in Iraq comes from Turkey. 70% of trade goods also come from Turkey. We are still OK with it.
The problem began when Kurds just forgot who their neighbor is and started supporting the PKK terrorist organization and letting them initiate attacks from *their* soil to *our* soil, killing *our* people.
It's their mistake.
Still there's an extremely peaceful solution for this: They clean up PKK from Kurdistan or contain them so that they don't attack us and we'll still be friends.

Salih:

I'm not against Kurds, I'm not against them having an independent state within the current borders of Iraq, if they want. I really don't care.
But, if they start attacking the sovereign soil of Turkish Republic, I'm against it.
Solution for this problem is pretty simple: Kurds get rid of PKK and we'll be friends again. All we want is NOT TO BE ATTACKED!!!
By the way, some of the commentators mentioned outcome of WWI. OK, Ottoman Empire lost it. In the aftermath, we were able to keep what's left of it. We don't want any inch from anyone and we won't give any inch to anyone. Without bringing out arguments of hatreds or accusations, this problem can be worked out. But guys, you may have won the WWI, but you didn't have the power to exert the outcome as you wished. So, we were powerful enough to reject *your* solution. It's over and finished. You may want to heat it up and bring on the table each time, or try to use terrorist organizations in order to press on Turkish Republic, it'll cause just larger problems. Like it or hate it, it doesn't change the outcome: We ruled here 600 years, and we know you. We know this region better than any western power knows. We know the strong and weak points of nations and tribes here. So, don't corner the cat, if you don't have power to kill it there.

Jeffrey:

I am a great Kurdish sympathizer and personally advocate for their right of self-determination, but I must say the author seems a bit confused about the nature of the Turkish push to cross the Iraqi border. If I'm not mistaken members of the PKK are invading Turkey and firing on and killing Turkish citizens. If this is the case then it is up the the Kurdish government to work to halt these raids into Turkey from its territory.

I would also hasten to say that if an independent Kurdistan were being raided by an rebel faction all measures would be under consideration to halt such attacks, even following the invaders into there host country. I hope the Kurds take this opportunity to show the world their ability to deal with the types of problems that confront national governments and work with the Turks to render the PKK impotent as a fighting force and hopefully to bring them into the political discussion. So please don't blame the US for your border issues. Our government has made a great many mistakes in its dealings with Turkey, Iraq, Iran and many other players in the region but a vote on the Armenian genocide did not initiate the PKK's raids nor Turkey's response to them.

Leo:

There is no need to argue about the Turkish incursion, because the Turkish troops are alrady inside Kurdistan, the are based in the areas of Bamarne, Amedy, Batoofa, etc which they are Kurdish villages inside Kurdistan, and they are located 30-35 KM inside the Iraqi territory.It means Turkey wants to reinforce its basement inside Kurdistan, by first making a Security Zone and then attacking Kurdistan Regional Government. Consequently, When the Kurds smell any success, the Turks holds the gun and oppose it. Thus, the matter is only KTRG nothinh else.

LANA:

Hasssan Can from turkey; i think you should get e reality check. there is no such thing as a DRUG TRADEs in the kurdish regions. unless you are the smuggler.Don't make things up, it's childish.
I really hope the turks will invade Iraq, because when they do, hell will break loose. you have already been warned by several euopean countries such as France and Holland and Specificaly by the US and UN. So i pray to God that you will, because then no excuses will be left,Kurdistan will get their own country. Currently the US are regretful for putting the PKK down as a terrorist group, they are trying to amend this, they realised they were wrong.

And AZAD, a thumbs up for your comments.

LANA:

Hasssan Can from turkey; i think you should get e reality check. there is no such thing as a DRUG TRADEs in the kurdish regions. unless you are the smuggler.Don't make things up, it's childish.
I really hope the turks will invade Iraq, because when they do, hell will break loose. you have already been warned by several euopean countries such as France and Holland and Specificaly by the US and UN. So i pray to God that you will, because then no excuses will be left,Kurdistan will get their own country. Currently the US are regretful for putting the PKK down as a terrorist group, they are trying to amend this, they realised they were wrong.

And AZAD, a thumbs up for your comments.

Deyary Rakhtawan:

Turkey has in past moved to Kurdistan to attack PKK and Iraqi Kurds have helped Turkey in past but PKK was not eradicated but gone from strength to strength. PKK problem need to be solved politically by granting more rights to Kurdish people in TURKEY and granting full amnesty to PKK fighter to come down from mountain and start a new weapon free political life.

However Turkish army would not like that as they would not be able to get the fat budget that they do now. on the other hand Turkey try to oppress Kurds beyond its border and make sure not only Kurds of Turkey but also those who live beyond its border would not get a basic right of self-rule, which is why turkey knows that they cannot solve pkk problem through military but they try to destroy the peaceful part of Iraq- Kurdistan. the only part of middle east where no ally soldier lost their life and Americans welcomed. it is time for US to act and safe its best friends.

Deyary Rakhtawan:

Turkey has in past moved to Kurdistan to attack PKK and Iraqi Kurds have helped Turkey in past but PKK was not eradicated but gone from strength to strength. PKK problem need to be solved politically by granting more rights to Kurdish people in TURKEY and granting full amnesty to PKK fighter to come down from mountain and start a new weapon free political life.

However Turkish army would not like that as they would not be able to get the fat budget that they do now. on the other hand Turkey try to oppress Kurds beyond its border and make sure not only Kurds of Turkey but also those who live beyond its border would not get a basic right of self-rule, which is why turkey knows that they cannot solve pkk problem through military but they try to destroy the peaceful part of Iraq- Kurdistan. the only part of middle east where no ally soldier lost their life and Americans welcomed. it is time for US to act and safe its best friends.

Deyary Rakhtawan:

Turkey has in past moved to Kurdistan to attack PKK and Iraqi Kurds have helped Turkey in past but PKK was not eradicated but gone from strength to strength. PKK problem need to be solved politically by granting more rights to Kurdish people in TURKEY and granting full amnesty to PKK fighter to come down from mountain and start a new weapon free political life.

However Turkish army would not like that as they would not be able to get the fat budget that they do now. on the other hand Turkey try to oppress Kurds beyond its border and make sure not only Kurds of Turkey but also those who live beyond its border would not get a basic right of self-rule, which is why turkey knows that they cannot solve pkk problem through military but they try to destroy the peaceful part of Iraq- Kurdistan. the only part of middle east where no ally soldier lost their life and Americans welcomed. it is time for US to act and safe its best friends.

Pushdaree:


To Hasan
May I remind you Hasan that Turkey during the 50 and 60 was today's Afghanistan in term of cultivating opium? And most was cultivated by ethnically Turks.

BTW, your place will be in the Turkish state not in the civilized part. You will see the reality soon.

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

to Pushdaree:

:) it would be a dream to live in a part of Turkey (european) where there are no Kurds or islamists. Just secular and democrat Turks. Izmir (Smyrna) would be the capital :)

But we are living in a real world and united forces of WW1 was not able to do this. What makes you think that a gang of drug smugglers would be able to do this? :))))

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

alternate thought:
Imagine after USA invaded Iraq, USA gives all iraqies citizenship (not being able to move to USA for a decade). Constructs American style cities with shopping malls and fastfood restaurants. Build schools and hospitals and educate people of iraq.
Would not the world be a better place? Surely there would be no AQ or PKK in iraq.
It is a fact that American lifestyle is the most efficent lifestyle in the world for now. If american would not give this to iraqies whats the purpose of invasion?

remember when USA soldiers entered bagdad, iraqies supported them. But now they don't.

Pushdaree:

The state of Turkey is not a natural state; it should be divided into three units European, Kurdish and Turkish states. Turks can not rule others without killing them. History attests to the atrocities of the Turks. Converting churches to mosques, started with the Turks occupation of Anatolia. Many mosques in Istanbul were churches. So I expect the present regime to carry out same policies of their ancestors, in term of intimidation and use of power to achieve their goals. But what the Turkish policy makers are discounting is that the patience of Kurds across the region is running out with turkey. Crossing the border into south Kurdistan may be an easy venture for the Turkish army but holding on to the land will be a nightmare. The occupation of South Kurdistan will be a focal point for the liberation of entire Kurdistan. The war for independence of Kurdistan will commence and will result in the end of the many nation states in that region.

So let the Turks huff and buff, the end is very close and the unfinished business of WW1 finally will.

candide:

Under the Ottoman Empire in the late 19th Century as well as in 1915 the Ottomans used Kurds to kill Armenians. What goes around comes around.

R. Curtis:

Repeat after me...there is no place called "Kurdistan". There are areas of this world that have a preponderance of Kurdish people but there is no nation or state named Kurdistan. If the Iraqi Kurds do not want to be hammered by the Turks then they need to get rid of the PKK. The Turks have been patient long enough.

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

FACTS:
1) Today in the Turkish parliement there are (around 13) PKK's representatives DTP.
2) Today in Turkey it is free to speak Kurdish.
3) Today any Kurd can became President of Turkey and actually this happened many times.
4) Todays P.M ERDOGAN's wife is a Kurd.
5) PKK is recognised as terrorist by USA, EU, UN.
6) Today PKK has couple of bases in N. Iraq.
7) Today N. Iraq is the biggest DRUG TRADE CENTER in the world. and it is under the control of KURDS.
8) PKK's terrorist acts has caused the death of 30.000 people in last 20 years.
9) According to UN, code no: 51, a country has the right to stop attacks and defend itself coming form a neighbour country. It is illegal to support terrorist organisations. It is illegal to trade DRUGS.
10) Turkey has every legitimate right to stop terrorist acts of PKK and the terrorist regime of KRG who has been silent about the death of 600.000 iraqies in last 5 years.
11) The president Celal Barzani and Talabani has to be under trial for their crimes against humanity, supporting terrorism and doing illegal DRUG trade.

end of discussion.

Kurdistani:

hm, it looks as there are many anti-kurds here, well, put it simple my friends. the turkush government should pay its 40 billion dollar debt first and then think about borowing another fold. Maybe just maybe you can envade Kurdistan, but why don't you look and learn from the experiences of the USAs Army. the stronget military force ever! you know as well as I that that the racist turkish goverment Can Not spend billions in a month as US does. You know that You have a problem with the Kurdish people no matter wherever they are. You know that Your army is an inexperienced one and you know that you Can Not kill the entire kurdish people, Your military leaders know that only 0.01 of your military supply will reach kirkuk. you forbid us from our god given rights such as speaking, naming..etc in my language.
And Finally I know that there are 20 million kurds around the world waiting you to enter Kurdistan and see for yourselves what a vietnam war will tast like. We are peace Loving people and we want know wars, there is no military power that can control the high-lans where the pkk is atationed. you know that as well as I. so just addmit as say (WE Turks Hate The Kurds Wherever They Are). I advice a history lesson for all those that think military force can solve a political problem.
Looking forward to see peace Not wars.

Why not encourage Iraqi Kurdish independence?:

I admit that I'm ignorant on this topic, so this is really a question rather than a statement phrased as one: Why doesn't Turkey encourage an independent, flourishing Kurdistan to which Turkish Kurds who don't want to be Turkish could move and thereby reduce internal pressure? I don't see how it makes the PKK situation significantly worse for Turkey, since they managed to kill thousands before the KRG began.

Baris Tarim:

With all this talk of Kurdish irredentist-fascists, we might be led to believe that it is the big bad Turkish wolf who is holding the poor Kurds down.

Everything in Northern Iraq comes from Turkey: from the very food that they eat, to the TVs that Iraqis watch, to the electricity that they use and the water that they drink. Cars, appliances, food, energy all comes from Turkey.

Turkey doesn't want Northern Iraq - in fact we couldn't care less about a bunch of mountains.

If not, we can just cut off the electricity and see how long Barzani and co holds up!!

Keep your sh*tty mountains to yourselves - the only thing we care about is PKK basing itself in Northern Iraq and attacking Turkey - that's all.

PKK is doing grave damage to Northern Iraq and the Kurds there - realize this...

Baris Tarim:

To all those weirdo Kurdish fascists:

Turkey or Turks do not want Northern Iraq, in fact we want nothing to do with a bunch of wasteland mountains with no access to the water which doesn't even have postal service, and which is populated by uneducated and fundamentalist villagers.

Keep the stupid oil as well: Oil brings nothing but suffering to those who have it - which oil-rich country in the world is free from dictatorships (eg Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iraq, Libya etc)

Turkey is building its economy on hard work and industrialization - why the hell on earth would we want a bunch of mountains who lack even a simple postal service??

The Turkish Republic brought prosperity to its southeastern provinces which wouldn't be there if it had been part of a mountain emirate run by gun-ho tribes.

VICTORIA:

i investigated the figures, and according to turkish papers over the past several years the figure of turks killed by the PKK stands at 30,000.

now that is 10 times the amount of people killed in new york on 911.

certainly the US does not hesitate to define the 19 muslims as terrorists- and now, by association- all of the muslims in the world are terrorists it seems-

why are the PKK not branded as terrorists?

with the establishment of a national home, something the kurds have wanted for so long-
comes also the responsibility of living peacefully with your neighbors.

the past oppression of kurds does not justify the current murder of innocents in turkey.

its not easy to make such decisions- but if the kurdish people benefit from the US war on terror-
they must stand in opposition to terror-

anything else would be grossly hypocritical.

if anything- the injustice of oppressing or killing innocents should resonate more strongly in the kurdish heart- whose suffering is so ever present.

the american people are not behind the war in iraq anymore-
troop withdrawal will occur sometime in the future-
and the kurdish people cannot depend on america as consistent allies- because we are not.

we are opportunists here- and will drop a cause and leave its people to pick up their own pieces in a heartbeat.

but turkey will continue to be your neighbor long after the US has depleted your resources and left you broke and powerless like many before.

im an american, and ive seen my country's treachery and false friendships many times.

im telling you- we are only your friends as long as we can use you-

well forget your phone number in the morning

help your neighbor keep its borders secure-
do not hide terrorists in your bosom and then complain in a few years when you are offended upon

if im not mistaken (and i am not)
turkey had a kurdish president a few short years ago, didnt it?

o- and jon stewart- with all your research people available to you at the daily show- someone must have told you that DENIZ is a man's name- which i believe menas 'ocean'

fire your factcheckers


Omer:

I just laugh at some comments posted here. One of them is Turkey killing 30,000 Kurds. It was not the Turks but the PKK who killed those people just b/c they did not supported PKK.
Another thing is Northern Iraq Kurds should remember when Saddam was in power. Who opened the borders when you were fleeing from Saddam's chemical weapons? It was Turkey. Turkey not only opened its borders but also provided shelter to those people and it was only after that when the PKK terror escalated. We paid a price for helping the Kurds.
Now, Barzani is allowing PKK to operate in Northern Iraq with complete freedom. He claims that he does not have the power to fight against PKK. However, he does not hesitate to threaten Turkey. If you have the power to fight against Turkey how come you don't have the power to fight against 3,000 terrorists.

Mike:

I hope that the Turks and the Kurds go to war against each other. It would me fewer moslems in this world to worry about.

john doe:

If Kurds are giving shelter to PKK, they will face the consequences.

If any camps is found or evidenced in Northern Iraq, and yet KRG and Maliki government don't do anything, TSK will do it without doubt.

Turkey doesn't want to trigger anything, but if no action is the KRG's policy, they would be warned deliberately.

US will sit tight and will not mingle. Believe me. If you trust US now, sooner or later they would use KRG against Iran and dispose the rest. Barzani's father learnt this a little late.

Ardalan:

To: American

Sadadm had a powerful army and west support. He gassed them, used WMD, comitted genocides, mass murder. Did he succeed in destroying the Kurds? For 8 decades, the kurds fought Iraqi governmnets. Same in Turkey. If no pecaeful solution, Kurds in Turkey will fight forever. Kiss peace and stability goodbye in Turkey.

Jon Stewart:

" deniz:

All I want is for Turkey to grant whatever land the Kurds want in the east and then require all Kurds to relocate to their brand-new country, with the strict condition that they never cross over to the remaining Turkish soil ever again. I'm fully aware that the second part of this proposition would get Turks in even deeper trouble with the Europeans, but believe me, it's worth every molecule of hot air from France et al to not have to endure any more invading, destroying, criminal, uncivilized Kurdish hordes spreading like roaches in the prettiest of Turkish cities and resorts."

Wow, it's like saving someone for all the wrong reasons. This view is reminiscent of how many white people viewed African minorities in the U.S. There was a conception that they were the cause of the majority of rapes, robbery, and everything illegal (narcotics and alcohol running).

The fact of the matter is that with the decline in living conditions and rise in poverty in the slums of some cities you will have an increase in crime. Rather than discriminating and being a timid bigit the best solution to lowering the crime would be to raising the standard of life in those ghettos.

Deniz just has a very skewered conception of people and based from her views, she's probably lacking in many other intellectual departments.

The PKK isn't an external problem from Iraq. They are disgruntled local Turkish citizens unhappy with their standard of living. Someone before mentioned if they didn't have any rights why don't they revolt, well it seems to me that they are. Every individual should have their rights and freedoms, unfortunately they currently don't in Turkey.

Soran:

The problem with Turkey is not "border securety", it is the existance of the Kurdish people. Look at the history behind TUrkey. Genocides, occupation of Cyprus, and most important the unwillingness to let Turkey's Kurds have human rights. What people beside the turks could be hidious enough to ban an actual language for 80 YEARS!! What people beside TURKS and NAZIS are and were taught to be brainwashed by their schools that the 1915 genocide never happened?! What people besides the TUrks have such a record?

Soran:

The problem with Turkey is not "border securety", it is the existance of the Kurdish people. Look at the history behind TUrkey. Genocides, occupation of Cyprus, and most important the unwillingness to let Turkey's Kurds have human rights. What people beside the turks could be hidious enough to ban an actual language for 80 YEARS!! What people beside TURKS and NAZIS are and were taught to be brainwashed by their schools that the 1915 genocide never happened?! What people besides the TUrks have such a record?

By Hevallo :


Turkish State Terrorism and Turkish State Repression block any peaceful solution to Kurdish Question in Turkey

The Turkish state is using every weapon in its arsenal to carry out a sustained policy of complete annihilation of ''The Kurdish Question' and all democratic avenues are being closed.

Someone, somewhere has decided that the old policy of denial and forced assimilation and repression is to be brought back to the fore.

The recent events of whole scale repression, including 'state terrorism' in Beyebap and the political and illegal war being waged against the Kurdish deputies of the DTP is a war on the Kurdish people in Turkey.

The Kurdish people who voted for the AKP in the hope that they saw them as the best hope for bringing a peaceful and political solution to The Kurdish Question in Turkey will be feeling betrayed, humiliated and very angry indeed. Any hope that anyone had after Gul's visit to Kurdistan is fast evaporating. After all he was only going to visit the front line and give support to the TSK who are pursuing a purely military line (Turkish Armed Forces) and it was a cruel irony that he was welcomed as a hope for peace. General Buyukanit and the Turkish Generals are the ones in charge in Turkey. Just as the Generals rule Burma so they run Turkey!

If the Kurdish Freedom Movement were now to look at this situation and come to the obvious conclusion. That no-one, no-one is putting forwards solutions for dialogue and peace and the only voices that are being heard are voices of war and hatred coming from the Turkish side, then, who could not see that they would be left with little or no room to continue their efforts for peace and who knows the future if a decision is made to shut down further peace overtures and settle down for the long war!

It seems to me that they have been left with little choice.

Nobody in Europe is listening to the increasingly exasperated calls being made from the Kurdish side for attention to the rapidly deteriorating situation. No-one!

The situation is sliding back to how the situation was in the nineties and nobody is doing anything to prevent it. The consequences for Turkey and the surrounding region are dire.

The patience of the Kurdish people will soon explode!

Every Kurdish person and anyone who holds sympathy for the Kurdish struggle must be pro active in terms of bringing this situation to the attention of the media, politicians and non governmental organisations.

The Kurdish Freedom Movement needs you!

AMERICAN:

I lived in Turkey for over 10 yrs with Nato. Some Facts...Kurdistan in Northern Iraq cannot survive without Turkish help as it is landlocked by Iran to east, Syria to west, Shiite/Sunni Iraqis to south...They have all the oil in Kirkuk but cannot get it out of the place unless one of the neighbors allows them...similar reason why it is not feasible for US to establish a long term air base there without fly-over allowance from Turkey.
Facts..US went half a world away to take out Al-Qaeda from Afghanistan whose Taliban govt simply allowed existence of AQ...similar situation in Turkey, except it is 8 miles. Cannot expect Turkey not to intervene unless these attacks abate.
Facts..there is a strong undercurrent of growing nationalism in the Turkic states who are all improving financially, mostly due to oil dollars in central asia...about 300million Turkic people in asia, with all the nations going towards open borders to allow free flow of these people.Ironically, strong KEMALIST sentiments in the central asian countries, while the current govt in turkey is trying to distance itself from it.
facts.planned oil/gas pipelines out of asia will have Turkey as a hub and an alternative to russian bullying. When that happens, Kurds can kiss any support from the western countries goodbye.
It is clearly in the interest of N. Iraqi govt to be good neighbors to turkey, bc in the long run they will eventually be unimportant and will be discarded aside by these same countries which court it.

H.S.Soran:


If Turkey Dare To Explode A Suicide Bomb In KRG ???

For nearly 3 successive decades PKK , is resisting with astonishing gallantry against the ferocious Turkish army , inside geographical boarders of so called Turkey ( Turkea ) , in an indefatigable fierce fighting , to acquire the legitimate rights of about 20 million Kurds there, which are deprived from the most primitive human prestige . In this persistent and diligent struggle ,Turkish fascistic army has utilized his most advanced weaponry and sophisticated military facilities viciously against Kurds ; and have massacred (annihilated )hem indiscriminately as per their preceding actual prototype ( ARMENIANS) , including children , women , old people and ordinary civilians etc . There is no precise casualty statistical figures , but roughly it exceeds hundreds of thousands .

But , in fact despite the modern Turkish military supremacy and classis well equipped army , it is dreadfully defeated by PKK , in such a formidable manner , that now in most of Turkish occupied Kurdistan , there is no security location and safe refuge for Turks . Turks became desperate and deficient in this battle against PKK guerillas , who are only using the most outdated warfare of a traditional partisan group. Counter proverb : POWERFUL IS NOT VICTORIOUS , RIGHT ONE IS THE WINNER .

In such a fatal circumstance , in order to divert the attention of Turkish nation from this catastrophe and transfer the war front to inside Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG ) in so called Iraq , Turkey has spread the rumor of incursion ratification plan worldwide by his judiciary , and has prepared his army to attack KRG , to fulfill this political maneuver , by which he intends simultaneously to disorganize KRG , occupy Kurdistan , including the oil field of Kerkuk ; and thus provide oil for Turkey .


But in this unjustified repetitive barbaric practice , Turkey :

1- Excites the negative reaction of UN , European Union and people over the world , to join Nicolas Sarkozy doctrine , to deprive Turkey from joining EU and even ultimate expulsion from UN .

2- Engages in a fearful classic and partisan war , inside KRG, against Kurdistan Army and Peshmargeh forces , under the patriotic leadership of President M. Barzani .


3- Mobilization of 50 million Kurds , both physically and morally , throughout Great Kurdistan region and Diaspora , to defend KRG , which might result in revenging against Turkish interests and embassies abroad , extensive demonstrations , permanent picketing at front of Turkey's diplomatic missions , like those which was held at the front of South African Republic embassy , in Trafalgar Square of London , when Mr. Josef Mandela , was in jail and consequently , in total isolation of Turkey .

4- Misses both his close de jour & de facto Western allies , particularly USA .


5- Engages in an unwilling war with Arabs' of Iraq, too .


6- Enters in a cold war , with Arab World in general .


7- Finds no PKK there , because all of you know well , that PKKs are the majority of ordinary Kurdish people living in crossroads , streets , avenues , lanes , closes and outskirts of Amed , Wan , Mush , Dersim and other cities/towns/villages of Turkish occupied Kurdistan as well as in mountainous areas and country side – there .

As an independent commentator , interested in solving Kurdish issues peacefully , I am sure PKK is not defeat able , rather it is far more better , its issue be solved in friendly debates around the negotiation tables and diplomatically , not by crazy and notorious hereditary Genghis Khan's military strategy .

So , if Turkey dares to attacks KRG , he explodes himself by a voluntary political suicide bomb , which results in a threatening big bang in Middle East , too . Turkey is not searching for lion , but for lion's foot fingerprints .

Note : In above context Turk or Turkey refers to Turkish Regime , not to ordinary Turks , which are considered as Kurd's potential friends and certainly are against such a barbaric
move by Turkish Government .

Baqi Barzani:

With all due respect to readers.

To: MUCURLU

My appellation on its own is enough to substantiate my true identity. I take pride in revealing my Kurd-being. It is your anonymous name that best matches the depiction you were relating to me.

deniz:

All I want is for Turkey to grant whatever land the Kurds want in the east and then require all Kurds to relocate to their brand-new country, with the strict condition that they never cross over to the remaining Turkish soil ever again. I'm fully aware that the second part of this proposition would get Turks in even deeper trouble with the Europeans, but believe me, it's worth every molecule of hot air from France et al to not have to endure any more invading, destroying, criminal, uncivilized Kurdish hordes spreading like roaches in the prettiest of Turkish cities and resorts.

deniz:

All I want is for Turkey to grant whatever land the Kurds want in the east and then require all Kurds to relocate to their brand-new country, with the strict condition that they never cross over to the remaining Turkish soil ever again. I'm fully aware that the second part of this proposition would get Turks in even deeper trouble with the Europeans, but believe me, it's worth every molecule of hot air from France et al to not have to endure any more invading, destroying, criminal, uncivilized Kurdish hordes spreading like roaches in the prettiest of Turkish cities and resorts.

Baqi Barzani:

To: KAK Falah Mustafa


Your article is very insightful. Please continue to contribute articles and share your nice views.

I beg to differ with you only on the subject of us (the Kurds) being willing to continue to remain part of a pointless Iraq. Given the facts that 98% of the population of Kurdistan voted in favor of their national independence through legitimate referendums held through out Kurdistan, the vast majority of us (the Kurds) are pro-partition, not for a pluralistic federal Iraq. This reality is being misrepresented and distorted. The people of Kurdistan are being imposed to coexist in an Arab Iraq in which they have no interest.

The diverse Shiite and Sunni political groups lack political will to reconcile and resolve their discrepancies. A civil war is in full swing. They continue to butcher on another and blame the US administration. They are the ones directly responsible for the death of a million to and 2-3 million people being displaced. How long more will the status quo linger? Why should Kurdistan be victimized an pay the price?

Except for the prosperous autonomous Kurdish region (Thanks to the progressiveness of the Kurds), the rest of Iraq has remained unchanged. There has not been any tangible progress. The level and state of terrorism, poverty, instability, inflation, unemployment, illiteracy and etc, have all and all further deteriorated and burgeoned. How much more sacrifices do we have to offer in attempting to revive a dead and impossible Iraq? An Iraq that is already been virtually partitioned! Let’s be realistic! The only way to get out of the current crisis is by diving Iraq up along the ethnic lines and grant the Kurds their right to ultimate independence.

Baqi Barzani:

To: KAK Falah Mustafa


Your article is very insightful. Please continue to contribute articles and share your nice views.

I beg to differ with you only on the subject of us (the Kurds) being willing to continue to remain part of a pointless Iraq. Given the facts that 98% of the population of Kurdistan voted in favor of their national independence through legitimate referendums held through out Kurdistan, the vast majority of us (the Kurds) are pro-partition, not for a pluralistic federal Iraq. This reality is being misrepresented and distorted. The people of Kurdistan are being imposed to coexist in an Arab Iraq in which they have no interest.

The diverse Shiite and Sunni political groups lack political will to reconcile and resolve their discrepancies. A civil war is in full swing. They continue to butcher on another and blame the US administration. They are the ones directly responsible for the death of a million to and 2-3 million people being displaced. How long more will the status quo linger? Why should Kurdistan be victimized an pay the price?

Except for the prosperous autonomous Kurdish region (Thanks to the progressiveness of the Kurds), the rest of Iraq has remained unchanged. There has not been any tangible progress. The level and state of terrorism, poverty, instability, inflation, unemployment, illiteracy and etc, have all and all further deteriorated and burgeoned. How much more sacrifices do we have to offer in attempting to revive a dead and impossible Iraq? An Iraq that is already been virtually partitioned! Let’s be realistic! The only way to get out of the current crisis is by diving Iraq up along the ethnic lines and grant the Kurds their right to ultimate independence.

IHSAN UK:

To Mucurlu

By making those sort of remarks you are exposing yourself, how ignorand and uncivilized you are. I know what a waste of time responding you certainly you don't deserve it. I'll take this as an opportunity to advice you to stop humiliating and embarrassing yourself, to write in a website like NEWSWEEK, there are some critera you have to match them and it is very obvious you don't. So if you can not take a part in a debate it is okay nothing wrong with being thick but all you have to do is to shut the f***k off.

Dargala:

The simple fact is that the criminal bloody Turkish junta is thirsty for the blood of Kurdish people in Southren Kurdistan. Turkey wants to invade Kurdistan that is part of Iraq not as a move against the PKK,,,,But Turkey wants the same for 8 million Kurds in Iraq (Southren Kurdistan) as their 30 million Kurds in Turkey: slavery, assimilation, genocide, scorched earth-policy..THe Turkish regime thinks invading Kurdistan will be a picnic....It will not! It will eventually be a graveyard for Turkish junta...maybe the terrorist state of Turkey will crumble and have a miserable poor death....God bless Kurdistan....May God's curse be upon the nazi state of Turkey and its junta.

Dargala:

The simple fact is that the criminal bloody Turkish junta is thirsty for the blood of Kurdish people in Southren Kurdistan. Turkey wants to invade Kurdistan that is part of Iraq not as a move against the PKK,,,,But Turkey wants the same for 8 million Kurds in Iraq (Southren Kurdistan) as their 30 million Kurds in Turkey: slavery, assimilation, genocide, scorched earth-policy..THe Turkish regime thinks invading Kurdistan will be a picnic....It will not! It will eventually be a graveyard for Turkish junta...maybe the terrorist state of Turkey will crumble and have a miserable poor death....God bless Kurdistan....May God's curse be upon the nazi state of Turkey and its junta.

Dargala:

The simple fact is that the criminal bloody Turkish junta is thirsty for the blood of Kurdish people in Southren Kurdistan. Turkey wants to invade Kurdistan that is part of Iraq not as a move against the PKK,,,,But Turkey wants the same for 8 million Kurds in Iraq (Southren Kurdistan) as their 30 million Kurds in Turkey: slavery, assimilation, genocide, scorched earth-policy..THe Turkish regime thinks invading Kurdistan will be a picnic....It will not! It will eventually be a graveyard for Turkish junta...maybe the terrorist state of Turkey will crumble and have a miserable poor death....God bless Kurdistan....May God's curse be upon the nazi state of Turkey and its junta.

Dargala:

The simple fact is that the criminal bloody Turkish junta is thirsty for the blood of Kurdish people in Southren Kurdistan. Turkey wants to invade Kurdistan that is part of Iraq not as a move against the PKK,,,,But Turkey wants the same for 8 million Kurds in Iraq (Southren Kurdistan) as their 30 million Kurds in Turkey: slavery, assimilation, genocide, scorched earth-policy..THe Turkish regime thinks invading Kurdistan will be a picnic....It will not! It will eventually be a graveyard for Turkish junta...maybe the terrorist state of Turkey will crumble and have a miserable poor death....God bless Kurdistan....May God's curse be upon the nazi state of Turkey and its junta.

Demirhan:

Turkish government has declared many times their main problem is the succes of Kurdistan Regional Government in Federal Region of Iraq. Turkey has nither moral nor legal right to attack Kurdistan region of Iraq. The Kemalist regime of Turkey like its privious Young Turk Regimes has been committing crimes against humanity and it continue to do this by attacking Kurdistan region and legaly denying existence of 20-25 million Kurds in Turkey. Turkish constitution does not recognize Kurdish culture, language and any thing. Turkey dos not have freedom of speech nor freedom of assambly or freedom of worship. Hirnat Dink muder is an evidence of how much political disent is permitted. Turkish media is much more racist than NaziGermanys' media. Civilized world should deal with this inhuman regime they way it deserve. Turkish general and politicians have been expressing their hatried against Kurds, American, Jews, and Armenian almost daily, this is enough.

Anonymous:

Turkish propagandists working in overdrive with their overpriced paid Washington lobbyists have miraculously discovered yet another "reason". All of a sudden they have become a compassionate defenders to the kurds!! This is the latest reasoning coming out of their truly creative minds as to why the armenian genocide bill should be stopped. Because of course it will hurt the kurds!!! We are supposed to forget of course that they have already murdered at least 30,000 kurds citzens in the southeast and destroyed 3000 villages and created millions of kudrish refugees. that small and unimportant fact is what we are supposed to forget about. Oh, it just gets better each passing day.

MUCURLU:

to baqi barzani.. I cant understand how you guys come up here and defend kurds and irak.you people dont even have any generetaion. no one knows who is your parents what blood you have. is it amerikans,is it armenians,is it russians,is it iranians,is it arabs or is it TURKS? with what pride with what face you try to live in this planet i bet you even you dont know who you are.you think when amerika or england or other nations that try to help you,did you ever think whats their benefits?i tell you,first of all they are there to take all the good things from that area such as (petrol,gas, and other minerals)to feed their own families for future.tthen they live rest of all the rubbish to people like you as a present for being with your mothers or grandmothers in the past. this is reality you got to take ,this hurts, but TRUE.

Anonymous:

I am very glad to hear the US Congress get a step closer to recognizing the Armenian Genocide. And yes, it is true that some factions of the Kurds participated in the that genocide. It is a dark time in our past that must be recognized and acknowledged. However, lets remember that at the same time Kurdish and Armenian intellectual groups around that time were working together against the tyranny of the Turks. Turkey has always wanted to invade the Kurdistan Region - this just gave them an excuse. Also, does Turkey honestly think that by crossing the border it will solve its PKK problem? The PKK's roots are in Turkey, not in Iraq.

Slemani, Kurdistan

rorshach:

Maybe the solution is for the Turks and Kurds to intermarry. The future will be peaceful for their offspring, the Turds.

Abraham:

The KRG exists today with the oil money. Depending on the need Kurds are part of Iraq like in this article to beg for symphaty, or an independent coutry when it comes to establishing their own airline. KRG always worked for the highest payer. In the past they were killing Iraqi troops to help Iran. Although, they have good relations with US today nobody knows what they will do in a few years.

Definitely KRG tries to expand into Turkey, Iran and Syria. They will make allience with every terrorist organization just like they did for their goals. It is unbelievable to see them crying for sympathy while they support terrorists in Turkey.

Kalkan:

I don't expect Kurds to understand that there will not be a day that Kurds will have a territory in eastern part of Turkey, however, they should realize that there is no advantage of harbouring PKK in northern Iraq. It just makes Turks to be more angry. In fact when Turkish army decide to attack PKK in Northern Iraq, This should not be a case for anybody to discuss. You hurt me , I hurt you, as simple as it is.

Visit these links:

www.kurdishmedia.com
www.kurdistanobserver.com
www.ekurd.net
www.kurdishaspect.com
www.thekurdistani.net
www.kurdistantv.net
www.puk.org
www.krg.org

Ihsan UK:

How many more people have to die, how much more blood has to be spilt, how much more time has to pass by til those people come to their sense.They should learn to live with the fact that If oppression and denial Kurd from their god given rights was successful it will have succeed last 70 years.After all what will Turkish Army do, destroy our economy or might be gas us well someone esle did even worst than that but he ended up destroying whole Iraq and he was sent to his grave while kurdish desire for their future is growing stonger, they should learn a lesson form SADDAM.

Ardalan:

You got to quit your Turkish attitude. This is Washington post and many readers are reading your Turkish comments. I am sorry for Baqi to get on your nerves.

Dara:


To: Hassan Can Turk

13 Turkish soldiers killed? Fair enough. I sympathize with you. What about the tens of thousand of innocent Kurdish civilians Kurds having been killed? What about the tens of thousands of houses having been reduced to ashes by Turkish brutal military? What the hell is Turkey bombarding South Kurdistan for (North of Iraq for)? The Turks are committing larger scale genocide against the Kurds than the one carried out against the Armenians. The only disparity is that the Kurds have no one.

Aso:

To: Hassan Can Turk

13 Turkish soldiers killed? Fair enough. I sympathize with you. What about the tens of thousand of innocent Kurdish civilians Kurds having been killed? What about the tens of thousands of houses having been reduced to ashes by Turkish brutal military? What the hell is Turkey bombarding South Kurdistan for (North of Iraq for)? The Turks are committed a larger scale genocide against the Kurds than the one carried out against the Armenians. The only disparity is that the Kurds have no backing.

rebwar:

mr hasan when war is close to ur family trust me u would be thinking diferent way.iam kurdish but i do not fuel this situation and if u talking about law were is law in turkey u mean the law in the hand of genral.well that is going to be good year in the area do u think that is the best way to solve the kurdish issue?ur gus should slow down chosse another option not war just look what happen in iraq thank u .

rebwar:

mr hasan when war is close to ur family trust me u would be thinking diferent way.iam kurdish but i do not fuel this situation and if u talking about law were is law in turkey u mean the law in the hand of genral.well that is going to be good year in the area do u think that is the best way to solve the kurdish issue?ur gus should slow down chosse another option not war just look what happen in iraq thank u .

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

TO BARZANI:
1) My name is Hasan not Hassan.
2) 20 million Kurds in Turkey have everyright as i have.
3) tell me a single law that u can name that will prove discrimination?
4) If there was any UNJUST LAW OR TREATMENT against Kurds in key a) EU would stop membership negotions with us. b) 20 million Kurds would start an uprising. c) In elections the Kurdish party would get more votes then %5. d) I have many Kurdish friends and they just hate Iraqi Kurds becaue you are trying to make them be like you. They choose to live in a democratic country, they became army officers, judge EVEN PRESIDENT (etc:TURGUT OZAL)
5) this is not a place to spread lies here Barzani.
6) "a man who lies, he murders half of the world" - metallica

Hashar :

PKK fighters are not in Kurdistan at all (North of Iraq). These are baseless claims and anti-Kurdish Turkish manufactured propagandas. Turkey is fearful of Barzani for not letting the Turkish military to carry out its dirty works.


HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

Last week PKK killed 13 soldier (2 of them were Kurds) and 15 Kurdish Turk (1 of them was a child). They even kill Kurds who deny PKK. In elections PKK's political party DTP only got %5 votes and now they are in parliement. Any one who says Kurds don't have rights in Turkey has to re-examine his pointof view. In Turkey there are 20 million Kurds. What kind of army can supress them if they were living under torture and poverty? Kurds in Turkey are richer then Turks because they control all the drugs that go to Europe and Barzani is nothing but a cheap Drug Smuggler.. PKK is the watchdog of Barzani. It is time to bring the LAW!

Reba sarosh:

invasion is part of war.at war any thing could happening moment the world talking about 1915 armenian genocide but Turkish government try do it in 2007.i think Turkish government has got more option rather than fight with Kurdish people.if turkey looking for solve that there is chance but that what they want good luck to them.

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

Last week PKK killed 13 soldier (2 of them were Kurds) and 15 Kurdish Turk (1 of them was a child). They even kill Kurds who deny PKK. In elections PKK's political party DTP only got %5 votes and not they are in parliement. Any one who says Kurds don't have rights in Turkey has to re-examine his pointof view. In Turkey there are 20 million Kurds. What kind of army can supress them if they were living under torture and poverty? Kurds in Turkey are richer then Turks because they control all the drugs that go to Europe and Barzani is nothing but a cheap Drug Smuggler.. PKK is the watchdog of Barzani. It is time to bring the LAW!

Baqi Barzani:

To: Hassan Can From Turkey

PKK does not have more than 20000 fighters. The question here is not PKK. The main question is the fate of 25 million deprived and suppressed Kurds whose rights are being denied and whose national identity is being rejected. We are talking about 25 million human beings, not PKK.

Baqi Barzani:

To: Stuart

Barzani maybe able to do away with PKK but what about the rest 25 million Kurds living in Turkey? They do not live in Kurdistan (North of Iraq). This is an internal issue and it should be resolved through dialogue, not but resorting to force and intimidating expressions. Turkey would committee the biggest mistake if launching an attack on the Kurds in Iraq. It would be considered an act of aggression and the Kurds in Iraq will reserve every right to retaliate.

HASAN CAN FROM TURKEY:

People who play with fire, get burned some how. The North of Iraq is not only Kurds, there Christians, Turcomans and Arabs. But Kurds have been acting as they own those lands and supported PKK so that they can have a watchdog! But i am sorry Mr. Bakir, if u feed the terrorists (USA and EU listed PKK as a terrorist org.) surely there will be a price you pay. Just as USA invaded Afghanistan because they had been supporting terrorists, now it is your time to pay the price of the joyride. Bad friends always causes trouble. By the way instead of crying you can still throw out PKK from Iraq so that we won't have any excuse to come there? Honestly i am not so much in love with your territory, i have no desire to come there. Please hand out the terrorists and live happily in your country.

rebwar:

if turkish army cross to kurdistan will be better or easy for them to fight against pkk?isnt easy for turkey to fight inside them soil against pkk.well we all know turkish think thank once agen is chalenge millitary in area but will be harsh for both that is not in wise man haed.

Baqi Barzani:

PKK is only an excuse for Turkey to justify an illegal incursion into Kurdistan (North Of Iraq). There are 25 million underprivileged Kurds living in absolute poverty in Turkey. They have totally been ignored by the international community and Turkey continues to deny their cultural and political rights. Turkey is resorting to force and intimidation to resolve the issue and the result has been nothing more than more bloodletting.

Moslih Sarky:

Ínfact,the war of Turkey against PKK is a war against any kind of existence of the Kurds anywhere in the world,this is the policy of turkey and so was previously. We have almost heard from different Turkish politician who claimed that they will not accept any state that may appear into the existance under the name of Kurdistan even in Africa. Turkey defends the right of thousend Turkmens in Iraq,but ignors the rights of 20 Million Kurds Turkey.
Turkey says that PKK are about 1000 terorist and they come from North-Iraq. If it's so why Turkey cannot prevent them from intering its territory by its huge military forces,and if Turkey cannot do this,why they demand that from the Kurds in iraq who are under very difficult circumstances to do that,how can Turkey solve the problem by attacking Iraqi-Kurdistan if its not only a justification to disturb the stability of Kurdistan.
Turkey should think twice about any agression against the Kurds in Kurdistan, because neither its economical situation nur its international reputation is encouraging to do so.

Moslih Sarky:

Ínfact,the war of Turkey against PKK is a war against any kind of existence of the Kurds anywhere in the world,this is the policy of turkey and so was previously. We have almost heard from different turkish politician who claimed that they will not accept any state that may appear into the existance under the name of Kurdistan even in Africa. Turkey defends the right of thousend Turkmens in Iraq,but ignors the rights of 20 Million Kurds Turkey.
Turkey says that PKK are about 1000 terorist and they come from North-Iraq. If it's so why Turkey cannot prevent them from intering its territory by its huge military forces,and if Turkey cannot do this,why they demand that from the Kurds in iraq who are under very difficult circumstances to do that,how can turkey solve the problem by attacking Iraqi-Kurdistan if its not only a justification to disturb the stability of Kurdistan.
Turkey should think twice about any agression against the Kurds in Kurdistan, because neither its economical situation nur its international reputation is encouraging to do so.

Azad:

What is all this hocus pocus and fawning over Turkey. If the US told Turkey to stay out of northern Iraq (Southern Kurdistan)and said they meant it, Turkey would sit on its hands alright. They are not so stupid as to take on the Americans. But the US sends mixed signals and only softly rebukes Turkey. This reminds me of what the US did with Saddam- invite him into Kuwait and then spring the trap. Maybe this is the US' plan for Turkey - let the Turks show how savage they are and then this will justify ostracising and then even partitioning the country.

Yes, the Turkish military is stupid enough to go into Iraq but this is unequivocally to seek to prevent the Iraqi Kurds from reintegrating Kirkuk and declaring their statehood.

But this will unite all Kurds against Turkey and this will surely lead to the break up of Turkey into 2 parts.

For the record, the fighting taking place in Turkey is due to Turkish military attacks deep into mountain territory. The PKK clash when forced to fight back. All of the fights occur deep inside Turkey. There is no infiltration from Iraq as the Turks like to claim. This is a ruse to justify so-called hot pursuit. However, the Turkish plan is a full invasion and their target is Iraqi Kurdistan, not the PKK. Noone politically literate is under any illusions about the Turks' intent.

One thing is for sure - if Turkey goes into Iraq it will have its fingers burnt and its nose broken. Only then will these fools learn that it is not like in the jingoistic films that they are brought up on affirming their sense of Turkish invincibility and superiority. What a joke!

Mehmet:

Have you ever thought Garak if U.S. decided to be close to Kurds and make a base in north Iraq (not in kurdish ıraq) how much bilions dollars costs like a decision..!? you know that U.S. is losing billions of dollars, honor and reliability in the eyes of world countries... you know U.S. government *not american people* failed to making Iraq *independent* but they made it a big marsh...! also U.S. governmet in the its advertisements in tv channels deceived American youngs whose most of them plan to save money to continue their education after making Iraq *independent* !! but nearly 4 thousands of them came back to their families in the coffins! come on Garak don't tell me after all if U.S.close to Kurds making their Marsh deeper and wider than the present situation!

stuart:

Barzani & Co. will be paying a price for harboring the PKK in Northern Iraq. The time has come for the Turkish Armed Forces to deal with the issue decisively. The only thing that can prevent an intervention into Northern Iraq is Barzani to do away with the PKK either alone or with US help. There are limits to patience and restraint. Our security is at stake and we shall take measures, beginning with approving the bill authorising our Armed Forces to execute the operation on Wednesday. Barzani and his men need to understand that their policy of tolerating the PKK has reached a dead-end. They still have an opportunity to save their face by putting the PKK on planes off to somewhere far away. Anything short of that will be very costly to Mr Barzani.

Dan Asta:

Why can't people take responsibility?

I'm also referring to the Kurdish author here.

"We may soon pay a heavy price for the actions of the American congress," he writes.

That's nonsense. Take responsibility, and Turkey should do the same. There is no logic that gets you from point A to point B. If the US congress decides to recognize the genocide of 1.2 million Armenians, that has nothing to do with Turkey's decision to invade the Kurdish territory of Iraq.

Only in the Middle East would someone write and then publish such illogical causalites.

Berwari:

To say that the Kurds were the willing executioners is a fact that is unfounded. Kurds were opressed just like the Armanians were, Kurds revolted against the Turks long before the Armanian genocide took place...Kurds were the first people within the Ottoman empire that were being oppresed, massacred for their differences with the Turkish rulers. Those supposed Kurds that you are saying as willing excutioners were most likely Islamic terrorists that exist among many nations in the Midle-East and do exist up until now. Ottoman Turks never allowed Kurds to serve within Kurdish Teratories so they don't support the Kurdish cause and this very fact tells me that things were done in the name of the Kurds. The few Armanians that survived were hidden by the Kurds from Turks...Could you tell me how the Armanian Kurds ended up with those same Armanians that you are saying were murdered by the Kurds and still live with them to this day with no existing problems.


Onur Tanrikulu:

Well, referring to my right honourable commentator Garak: it is not that easy to find any airbase in the region. If it were, why have American strategic interests not already set up alternative routes via Cyprus, Greece, Romanania or even Israel? The anser is as simple as that: you need a common border to underline any air attacks by subsequent land operations. Or why do you think was the USA willing to bear the humiliation of an unwilling Turkish National Assembly denying any surpassing rights? Besides, this was more than several years ago and alternative plans could have been initiated meanwhile. Concerning the risk whether the US is likely to cooperate even more with the Kurds, I would like to ask: are the US really willing to pay that price? I remember the US pulling out of Somalia after 12 dead soldiers and now the US is preparing for withdrawal from Iraq. There was already a comparable situation during the Cyprus invasion when Turkey,indeed , was very much willing to pay the price for its action and was banned from any military help for the next 10 years (again)by a Democrats presidency (Carter) until Reagan lifted that ban. Also then, the UK threatened with military action on Cyprus. Fact was, nobody was willing to pay the price except Turkey. Any reference to contingent historical events shows only how out of depth the (and your) current grasp of the situation is. I do not want to bring down myself by also referring to a comparable situation last year when Israel, justified or not, took the same measures against threats from its neighbouring borders. I cannot resist the impression, that we are dealing here with readers who barely read any books and are confident that they understand world politics by following free of charge media (as this site) once in a while.

Salih:

OK, in the past years, not even speaking their own languages, but calling themselves as Kurd was forbidden. I admit it. It is and it was wrong.
Now, they can call themselves Kurds, they can speak their languages, they are even elected to the parliament. (In fact approx. 30% of the parliament is ethnically Kurds, 22 of them are representing a Kurdish Nationalist party, the rest are divided into the other mainstream parties.) So, there may be reasons for them to rise, but now, as situation is only improving everyday, PKK isn't helping Kurds in Turkey or in Iraq.
They have no reason to attack innocent people (Yes, 30 of the people died in last week attacks are innocent civilians. And, those civilians are also ethnically Kurds). They have no reason to bear guns anymore. They can tell everything they want in the parliament. For god's sake! We have tolerated more than any other nation could and would. Solution is simple, they should stop attacks, leave guns. That's all... If they won't then the Iraqi Government of Kurdistan Government or US Government should drive them out of Iraq. Pretty simple solution without any nasty consequences.
One more point, we don't want to and don't intend to attack Kurds. We want to disintegrate a terrorist organization attacking Turkish Republic citizen civilians. That's all. We don't want to bring Iraq democracy, we don't want to overthrow a tyrant we don't want to destroy Weapons of Mass Destruction. We simply want them NOT ATTACK US!!!!

Onur Tanrikulu:

Well, referring to my right honourable commentator Garak: it is not that easy to find any airbase in the region. If it were, why have American strategic interests not already set up alternative routes via Cyprus, Greece, Romanania or even Israel? The anser is as simple as that: you need a common border to underline any air attacks by subsequent land operations. Or why do you think was the USA willing to bear the humiliation of an unwilling Turkish National Assembly denying any surpassing rights? Besides, this was more than several years ago and alternative plans could have been initiated meanwhile. Concerning the risk whether the US is likely to cooperate even more with the Kurds, I would like to ask: are the US really willing to pay that price? I remember the US pulling out of Somalia after 12 dead soldiers and now the US is preparing for withdrawal from Iraq. There was already a comparable situation during the Cyprus invasion when Turkey,indeed , was very much willing to pay the price for its action and was banned from any military help for the next 10 years (again)by a Democrats presidency (Carter) until Reagan lifted that ban. Also then, the UK threatened with military action on Cyprus. Fact was, nobody was willing to pay the price except Turkey. Any reference to contingent historical events shows only how out of depth the (and your) current grasp of the situation is. I do not want to bring down myself by also referring to a comparable situation last year when Israel, justified or not, took the same measures against threats from its neighbouring borders. I cannot resist the impression, that we are dealing here with readers who barely read any books and are confident that they understand world politics by following free of charge media (as this site) once in a while.

Asim MA, San Antonio:

Turkey should move in to northren Iraq and crush the PKK for attcaking inoccent Turkish civilians.PKK no longer has any excuse to kill Turkish civilians:the present AK democratic governmant in Turkey gave the Turkish citizens of Kurdish background all their rights and they overwhelmingly voted for AK during the recent elections.

Turkey,Iran and Syria will never allow their nations to be partioned/fragmented by seceeding areas with Kurdish population to join the north part of Iraq which is populated by Iraqis:Arabs,kurds,Turkmans and Christians-who also will never allowed a kurdish state.
besides the Kurds in northren Iraq are viewed with deep suspicion and aprehension by the whole the people of the whole region for their intimate relationship with israel and the Mosad-whose streategic objective is to fragment the whole region along ethnic and religious lines so israel itself can regin supreme.

The kurds are part and parcel of the region and whose identity is Islamic and the kurds have made historical contributions to Islam and the region:The Zenkis and later Salahodein evicted the crusaders from the holy land and liberated Jerusalem.

In the present context,the Kurds should be faithful to their Ummah and sever their questionable and dubious relations with those who occupy and torment Palestinians:Salahodien will agitate in his grave if he knew what his off spring-the kurds-are doing now collaborating with occupiers of Palestine and Jerusalem which he liberated.

Anonymous:

why turk does not leave kurdish alone. first need to give kurdish thier freedom. they not even allow to speak thier language till now. thier day will come one day no matter what.

Dave:

As someone put it - the Kurds were the Turks' willing executioners of the Armenians. They did a lot the Turk's dirty work with the promise of receiving my ancestors' land or belongings only to be fooled by the Turks. They were willing participants so I can't help wondering if things aren't coming full circle now.

E Thorn:

The kurds get screwed again... not exactly an original plot twist.

Turkey's been itching to do that for awhile. This just gives them an excuse.

Garak:

I disagree. Turkey runs a real risk it will force the US to work even more closely with the Kurds. Perhaps the Kurds can invite the US to move Incirlik ops to a base in Kurdish Iraq. Then the Turkish generals face a nightmare scenario: we don't need them anymore. Ever since Kemal Pasha took over, the foreign policy of Turkey has been to make itself indispensable to the West. Reacting too harshly to the US admitting the truth about the Armenian Holocaust risks losing their only real leverage.

As for the Kurds paying the price, keep in mind that the Kurds were the Turks' willing executioners of the Armenians. How many Armenians did the Kurds help kill compared to how many Kurd which Saddam killed? Have the Kurds ever faced up to their history? If not, why should I, as an American, care? Sure, the Kurds can be a help in stabilizing the region. Maybe we can overlook the bloody, genocidal past of the Kurds. Especially if the Turks force us to more closely align ourselves with the Kurds.

Salih:

What you need to do is quite simple:
Instead of giving PKK shelter, drive them out. You don't even need to hand them over to Turkey. Drive them out, so that they can't attack from *your* soil to *our* soil. If attack to *our* soil comes from *your* soil, you put *your* soil under danger. They are as bad for the Kurds as for us.
We aren't so enthusiastic in entering Kurdistan. No, we really don't want. If we wanted, we'd enter with USA, in 2003. But we didn't want it. We still don't want it. Just don't push us too much. You know, if you corner a cat, it'll attack. We can't back anymore. Pretty simple. PKK is sheltered in Kurdistan. They are setting their attacks from Kurdistan. So, be a good neighbor and don't hide the vermin among you. They can turn to you in the future.

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