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Jews and Jewish culture flourished in the Caliphate and Moorish Spain and France. And Tunisia's Jews still have a stable community in Djerba, Tunisia, the oldest in North Africa. None of that matters when it comes to the conflict over Palestine, just as, in considering the conflict between Hezbollah and Hamas, the years of solidarity and comradeship of Hamas-Hezbollah unity against Israel now mean nothing when Israel decided to secretly fuel the most extreme elements in Hezbollah while publicly teasing and coaxing the moderate Hamas against the Israeli created extremist Hezbollah. When the moderates (Abbas) were hard pressed by the extremists, they found a friendly Israel ready to support them against the extremists. Brilliant Israeli tactics! But the cat's now out of the bag. All that remains is the stupid American strategy to fund the Israeli tactics.

Hate and misinformation are rampant on this post. Some of you just want to paint all Arabs as bad and dangerous, is this to justify your inhumane treatment tortures and land grabs? Just for example let's take :"Chris:What exactly constitutes a moderate Arab country? The royal dictatorships in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Morocco? Egypt? This "moderate Arab countries" term keep beign thrown about without any concern whatsoever for the citizens of those countries.
September 12, 2007 11:41 PM |( Reporting Offensive Comments )---------------------------------

Well Chris ought to know the following about Morocco and its 'royal dictatorship"
On May 16, 2003, a series of suicide bombers attacked four Jewish targets in Casablanca. No Jews were hurt in the attack because it occurred on Shabbat when the buildings were empty of Jews. Twenty-nine Muslims were killed. Though the bombings affected the Jewish sense of security, they were viewed by most Moroccans as assaults on the country's social and political order, and a test of the young king's power, rather than an act of anti-Semitism. King Mohammed VI visited the site of one of the attacks the day it occurred and urged the Jewish community to rebuild. The government subsequently organized a large rally in the streets of Casablanca to demonstrate support for the Jewish community and the king reasserted his family's traditional protection for the country's Jews. When the young king's father died in 1999 the jews there joined in mourning him.Although it was its opening day, no music played in the summer camp for Jewish children in Morocco and weddings planned by Jewish couples were postponed. The King has been recognized for allowing Jewish life to thrive in this Muslim country, watching as generations of children attended Jewish schools and elder citizens received meals and services to meet their religious needs.Throughout his reign, Chabad-Lubavitch emissaries, working together with the official community organization, Communaute Israelite, and the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, selflessly presided over much of the spiritual welfare of the Jewish citizens. King Hassan II, who ruled Morocco for 38 years, acted as a go-between in Egyptian-Israeli efforts to make peace and prolonged the life of his 300-year-old dynasty in an era when monarchies in Libya, Egypt, Iraq and Iran fell to socialist revolutions or the force of militant Islam. Hassan was adept at managing Arab-Israeli relations, and he liked to say he viewed Morocco's Jewish population, which numbers around 8,000, as a bridge between Israelis and Arabs. During World War II his father, Mohammed V, had defied the Axis and protected his country's Jews. Morocco was the first country to recognize the United States did you all know that. Or are you all thinking what the other side would like you to think!

Alex :
"There is only one way to solve most of the problems we are facing...

Kick out the traitors (Israeli Lobbies). These people have been pushing us to wars to cover Israel's crimes against humanity."

This will be an impossible task.
The Americans, as tragic as it is, have lost their country to them for good. the history will record this as a shame in face of humanity, for so much American resources being used by these people while American values being abused and undermined.

The Russo-East European Jews running Israel aren't nuts, and neither are their Arab adversaries. Suicide is not an option for either side. So we non-Jews and non-Arabs ought to let them settle their differences alone, without our outside subsidies, arms, or any interference from the West or the East. Iran isn't as great a threat to Middle East peace as Israel's violent military occupations of parts of Palestine, a lesson Israel seems to be learning the hard way. The USA hasn't a clue yet in learning the same lesson from its brutal military occupation of Iraq. Neither crisis is an American fight. Oh, for a Teddy Roosevelt! Let's come home and let the Jews and Arabs settle their differences among themselves.

The laws that Americans live by and the laws that Israelis and Arabs live by are quite opposed. The contradiction is changing the political attitude of Americans to both the Israelis, who insist on religious-ethnic discrimination enabling Israel to define itself as Jewish, and it is also changing our attitude to most of the Arab states that insist on female subordination and a theology embracing and justifying terrorism. A pox on both their houses unless republican-democratic values of equality and individual responsibility under law prevail soon.

The laws that Americans live by and the laws that Israelis and Arabs live by are quite opposed. The contradiction is changing the political attitude of Americans to both the Israelis, who insist on religious-ethnic discrimination enabling Israel to define itself as Jewish, and it is also changing our attitude to most of the Arab states that insist on female subordination and a theology embracing and justifying terrorism. A pox on both their houses unless republican-democratic values of equality and individual responsibility under law prevails soon.

ouch,, loud and clear.

ADIL,

YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME. READ ME AGAIN. I AM A GREAT BELIEVER THAT IT WILL BE BETTER WHEN THE US CAN NOT DOMINATE OUTCOMES IN THE REGION.

WHERE YOU AND I DO NOT AGREE IS THAT I SEE SAUDI LEADERSHIP TAKING A POSITIVE STANCE(S) (INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY) AND MORE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE REGION. THEY NEED TO FIND ACCOMODATION WITH IRAN NOW, NOT WITH BUSH ADMINISTRATION. THEY SHOULD IGNORE THIS RIDCIULOUS NOV. "SUMMIT" AND FOCUS ON ABASS/HAMAS CONFLICT AND CONSIDER ASSISTING/CREATING A THIRD PARTY WAY FOR PALESTINIANS

Lisa,
the middle east is for no one to dominate, and the reason for all these problems is the fact that USA believes it can domniate the ME, i am for 2 or 3 global powers for power balance. if and when that happens we get wars and countries being invaded under false pretexts. very disappionted in you Lisa

There is a lot of nonsense, ignorance and unfortunately some hate here...but here is what is going to happen IF Cheney and friends do not provoke Iran to do something crazy (which is what this whole Israeli/Syrian incident is really about) or just decide to go out in 08 with a blast with air strikes on Iran.

Iran and Saudi Arabia will come to some accommodation in the region. A Free Trade Agreement will broached by Iran last week will paved the way. Rafsanjani will be in power in Iran sooner not later ...eventually, more pragmatic leaders in Israel probably led by a new class of realistic Russian politicians will rule the day, communicate to their neighbors that they understand they are part of the Middle East, and want to participate and even have something to offer to maintain a strategic balance with Iran, as they still have the best trained army, economic growth, etc., these same Russian Israeli politicians will also argue for a more neutral Israel, and court Russia...In the end we will be competing there with Russia, China, Germany France Britain for trade, energy etc...The region is slipping away from our domination. It will be better for everyone, including the US, when we have to compete.

"In a meeting between Saddam and U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie on July 25, 1990, Saddam asked, “We will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. What is the United States' opinion on this?”

Glaspie replied: “We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.”

On July 31, the Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern affairs, testified to Congress that the “United States has no commitment to defend Kuwait and the U.S. has no intention of defending Kuwait if it is attacked by Iraq.”

On August 2, 1990, Iraqi forces invaded Kuwait and started the Gulf War. It was an American set-up.

As a result of the Gulf War, the period of sanctions that followed, and the current war which was started based on false pretenses, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed and those who have been maimed and rendered homeless are beyond counting. Who is to blame, and who are the criminals?" full text:http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?x=55999

Mr. Kuttab, the Iraqi's had considerable time to decide their own fate since the day that Saddam took office. No dictator can stay in power without either the complicity of his population or at least the population sticking its' collective head in the sand. After Saddams long-term violations of international law, the US led a large coalition to oust him from Kuwait. Saddamn continued to violate the UN-brokered cease fire agreement and was ultimately removed from office for it. The US has had the lion's share of responsibility in dealing with this problem and the consequences of becoming involved. It has every right in that situation to dictate what the final outcome should be, with input from the Iraqi "government". No one, especially from a country that actively opposes US involvement in Iraq, should have one word of input. Furthermore, Mr. Kuttab, your points on Iran and Syria are laughable, at best. Syria and Iran are the enablers of this conflict. Iran has long had imperialist designs on the Middle East and now they see their opportunity to sway the conflict and gain hegemony over Iraq.

The Middle East has a rich history like China. Our modern numeric system is invented there. I strongly advocate that Arabs speak out loudly for themselves which they are not doing now The Western media is saturated with reports of Muslim Extremists' actions and voices. It is disappointing that Moderate's voices are not as loud. Muslims must understand that America is not out to conquer them. Look at Korea and Japan, they have benefited from America's military presence. Maybe it is historical baggage for you but I as a Chinese do not have any problem with America's superiorty now because I do not have an inferiority complex. Empires rise and fall, dynasties come and go. Allah Al Akbar-GodIsGreat!

Ben says:

Does anyone here want to win the war on terror? It's a simple yes or no question.

Rick says:

No Ben; the war is not winnable as long as we are occupying Holy land in the Mid East. The doctrine of overwhelming military force is dead; it died with a bang in Iraq. It cannot defeat the insurgent who swims in the sea of the people. This is a painful lesson twice learned in Vietnam and Iraq.

Yes, the US forgot that the Arabs have been slaughtering each other and other people long before the US existed. The Sunni/Shiite wars began shortly after Mohammed's death and this is the third major jihad period in history, not the first.

I think it's time for the US to pull out and let Kuttab and the rest of the Muslims faking "moderation" deal with the issue.

Does anyone here want to win the war on terror? It's a simple yes or no question. Now you might ask what does Iraq have to do with the war on terror? Well, it doesn't have much to do with it except for one important factor and that is its location. It is strategically placed between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Iraq is but one battle in the more important role on terror. The U.S. will keep a majority of its troops in the region until permanent bases are built. "Why would they want to do this you might ask? Isn't Bin laden is in Afghanistan or Pakistan. We should have most of forces there fighting the Taliban." Well we do have about 20,000 troops in that area, looking for a couple hundred individuals, like him. But we forget the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and that country has a plethora of Islamic fundamentalist who need to be watched. We had a presence in Saudi Arabia with military bases present in the country since 1990, we left that country in 2003. The United States needed a presence close to the region for several important reasons:

1. our interest-oil, economy, ect.
2. when permanent bases are built in Iraq we can now act in the region to protect those interest; and if certain fundamentalist pop up on our radar and try to make some noise we can send in special forces to take care of the situation (you'll never hear about because it will be TOP Secret-and all the credit will be given to national forces).
3. it's also very close to Iran and the U.S. probably knew about their intentions to build a nuclear device long before you and I did. The U.S. may not be able to stop Iran from developing the bomb but they are going to make sure that no one, with distorted views like Bin laden, get their hands on that technology and they aren't going to trust the Iranians to prevent that from happening.

All this is just theorized, I don't pretend to have all the answers like some of you. And I hate to break it to some of you but the U.S. is in the business of doing what is in their best interest not anyone elses, the same goes for other countries in this world. One interest, that should include all of us, should be to not let a tragedy like 9/11 to ever happen again.

To those of you who don't seem to know what religious extremism/terrorism is about; here is an example from another thread that may help. It is basically a response to the world's only super power and terrorist nation's land/oil grab in the Middle East, beginning with Palestine and Iraq:

Here is the link from the Yossi Melman Post Global thread that the following paste was taken from, if you want the context. Have you been following this thread? It's a barrel of fun.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/yossi_melman/2007/09/cut_out_the_hypocrisy_on_terro/all_comments.html

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RICK:

Zuni,

Don't worry; there will be no gas chambers in the Sinai. We will partition Texas and you can have half. Crawford can be your new capital. There will be plenty of room for the current 5,140,000 Jewish population of Israel as of the April 24, 2007 census.

ZUNI:
Could't deal with the issue and questions huh Rickster ? Actually, Rickster The Jews will Have Israel as long as the Lord G-D will permit. Israel will continue long after you and your mama lay a moldering in your pine boxes somewhere that cannot be described herein. Get my drift Rickster ? Happy New year to your mama.
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Zuni,

Thanks for allowing us a glimpse into your dark heart. It is amazing what one can learn on this site and quite gratifying.

Don’t worry so much, you will love Texas. We will partition it so that your half is contiguous, while the other half is divided into separated quarters.

You will have the prime real estate including the Dallas-Fort Worth and Crawford areas.

You will have control of the fresh water supply.

You can keep your Army, Navy, Air Force and nuclear weapons. We will back you up with the full power of the world’s last remaining super power.

We will immediately stop all federal aid to the native population, while continuing your $3 B annual aid.

Feel free to launch all the settlements that you wish in the native half’s real estate.

Assassinate the opposition leadership to create chaos on the other side.

See, it will just be a grand old party.

I’m sure that you will get along famously with our Dear Leader and World Class Hypocrite in the White House.

This (above) is a dialogue of the deaf, as far as I can read the responses...

What can be done to undo GWB infamous invasion of Iraq?

My considered judgement is GWB must be forced to get out of Iraq and rapidly, with his tail tied behind his legs. He's devastated US global image and made it into a "paper-tiger"!

Arabs will NOT want to undo GWB mess (for him). They're a frivolus mass of un-enlightened people!
Those that are have been put to the gallows or migrated (perhaps like the one who wrote this original piece!).

The UN may've mitigated the conflict better with Sadam, if it was not for GWB and his neocons adamant and truculent death wish to occupy and colonize the "citadel" of Arab civilization - and its oil!

What for? Why?

I've concluded the "oil traders" had nothing else on their mind but to get the keys to Iraqi oil fields...Their end game was forceful occupation and takeover of Iraqi oil - nothing else.

In the process, provide strategic security for the Jewish state.

Now, one can't unravel the mess GWB created without any wisdom to understand the abject consequences of occupying an Arab land!

[A sheriff from West Texas hasn't got mentality for intellectual pursuit of what Arabs would think of such an infidel!].

Still, the UN with active political support of EU and Russia and China, may be able to find ways and means to rescue Iraq from being dismembered by ethnic cleansing (eg. Bosnia!).

I've no confidence in any other alternative, at this late and dismal stage of US invasion...
The mass of dislocated Iraqi's must find reason to return home under UN flag - while its peace keeping forces maintain the legitimacy of the sovereign land of Babylon!

I remember the old cowboy movies where the godless Indians were savage terrorists to be gotten rid of while the innocent settlers took their land, raped their women, shot them with their riffles while they tried to fight back with their bows and arrows..... .....been there, heard it all before, poor Arabs are today's Indians. YOU MUST BE SO PROUD of yourselves all you Arab haters

Does anyone here want to win the war on terror? It's a simple yes or no question. Now you might ask what does Iraq have to do with the war on terror? Well, it doesn't have much to do with it except for one important factor and that is its location. It is strategically placed between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Iraq is but one battle in the more important role on terror. The U.S. will keep a majority of its troops in the region until permanent bases are built. "Why would they want to do this you might ask? Isn't Bin laden is in Afghanistan or Pakistan. We should have most of forces there fighting the Taliban." Well we do have about 20,000 troops in that area, looking for a couple hundred individuals, like him. But we forget the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and that country has a plethora of Islamic fundamentalist who need to be watched. We had a presence in Saudi Arabia with military bases present in the country since 1990, we left that country in 2003. The United States needed a presence close to the region for several important reasons:

1. our interest-oil, economy, ect.
2. when permanent bases are built in Iraq we can now act in the region to protect those interest; and if certain fundamentalist pop up on our radar and try to make some noise we can send in special forces to take care of the situation (you'll never hear about because it will be TOP Secret-and all the credit will be given to national forces).
3. it's also very close to Iran and the U.S. probably knew about their intentions to build a nuclear device long before you and I did. The U.S. may not be able to stop Iran from developing the bomb but they are going to make sure that no one, with distorted views like Bin laden, get their hands on that technology and they aren't going to trust the Iranians to prevent that from happening.

All this is just theorized, I don't pretend to have all the answers like some of you. And I hate to break it to some of you but the U.S. is in the business of doing what is in their best interest not anyone elses, the same goes for other countries in this world. One interest, that should include all of us, should be to not let a tragedy like 9/11 to ever happen again.

Does anyone here want to win the war on terror? It's a simple yes or no question. Now you might ask what does Iraq have to do with the war on terror? Well, it doesn't have much to do with it except for one important factor and that is its location. It is strategically placed between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Iraq is but one battle in the more important role on terror. The U.S. will keep a majority of its troops in the region until permanent bases are built. "Why would they want to do this you might ask? Isn't Bin laden is in Afghanistan or Pakistan. We should have most of forces there fighting the Taliban." Well we do have about 20,000 troops in that area, looking for a couple hundred individuals, like him. But we forget the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and that country has a plethora of Islamic fundamentalist who need to be watched. We had a presence in Saudi Arabia with military bases present in the country since 1990, we left that country in 2003. The United States needed a presence close to the region for several important reasons:

1. our interest-oil, economy, ect.
2. when permanent bases are built in Iraq we can now act in the region to protect those interest; and if certain fundamentalist pop up on our radar and try to make some noise we can send in special forces to take care of the situation (you'll never hear about because it will be TOP Secret-and all the credit will be given to national forces).
3. it's also very close to Iran and the U.S. probably knew about their intentions to build a nuclear device long before you and I did. The U.S. may not be able to stop Iran from developing the bomb but they are going to make sure that no one, with distorted views like Bin laden, get their hands on that technology and they aren't going to trust the Iranians to prevent that from happening.

All this is just theorized, I don't pretend to have all the answers like some of you. And I hate to break it to some of you but the U.S. is in the business of doing what is in their best interest not anyone elses, the same goes for other countries in this world. One interest, that should include all of us, should be to not let a tragedy like 9/11 to ever happen again.

February 2007 - oil law proposed and still languishing in the Iraqi Paliament.

The Kurds have signed a contract with Dana Gas of the United Arab Emirates. They have also decided to sign oil contracts and the latest is with Hunt Oil of Dallas, Texas.

The Sunnis say that these contracts are illegal, but the Kurds insist they fllow the proposed law of Feb. 2007 and are anxious to have the oil and gas fields in operation.

Noticeable is the lack of reporting of these contracts except for one in the NY Times of 9-13-07. Perhaps I am being naive, but it seems that if the Kurds and other groups in Iraq have the gumption and the go-ahead to get their economy on track by signing and implementing contracts, then that is a big step forward.And the contracts with Hunt Oil of TX should please the administration of our country, too. After all, isn't that what this is all about?

"how very sensitive of you. sitting at your desk and telling people to drop the right of return to their homes that they ahve been kicked out from."

What about the ones who want to "return" to places they've never been? Not every adult in these refugee camps is there because troops kicked him or her out of home. A lot are there because their parents chose (or at least their fathers chose) to have unprotected sex in refugee camps (instead of abstaining the way they tell their broke unmarried daughters to, or at least having oral sex).

"The Arabic culture is ancient and their language is GORGEOUS; however, their middle name is revenge."

"The Arabic culture" is actually a whole bunch of overlapping cultures and subcultures, which don't always agree with each other!

"How can you continue to kill or plan to kill Americans,British,spanard,germans,christains,Jews etc; and expect us to sympathise with your Arab causes, illogical and irrational, typical of the Arab mind!!!"

You forgot that in many cases "the Arab mind" *is* Christian.

All you folks who can come up with nothing but bashing the US are dreaming if you think the people of the Middle East have any notion of constructive effort toward a better society. We have watched these fanatics killing innocents in Iraq for years now. For what? To make the US look bad. They gain nothing and don't even pretend to have a reasonable political objective for their actions. See if you can find the true evil in this.

You ask "What of the Arabs?".....Into that I read........"What of the Muslim PEOPLE"....How about for starters, EDUCATION.....EQUAL RIGHTS .....FEEDING YOUR PEOPLE...MEDICAL CARE....In other words....DO IT YOURSELVES....Make no mistake......I am not a supporter of Bush or the war in Iraq...when we got rid of Saddam.......we should have left then! But, try as I may.......I cannot reconcile that "a religion of peace" can allow random and senseless killing of innocents....If, there is......as you try to say.....people in the Mid East that want PEACE.....Well.....it's in YOUR hands.....

The Sunni and Shia Muslims will kill each other and also kill Kurds and non-Muslims in Iraq after we leave.

It does not matter if leave today or after 50 years. We cannot civilize a people who do not wish to be civilized.

We can however save the Kurds and the Christians. By concentrating our forces in Kurdistan, carving out a separate state for the Iraqi Christians and by keeping enough forces along the border with Iran to deter it from coming into Iraq.

WE cannot be blamed for the massacres that Shias and Sunnis indulge in.All Saddam did was to kip the lid on. The lid would have eventually blown off if Saddam had been left in power.

How can Joe Yohka be so wrong about so much. It is the Israelis, not the Palestinians, who receive more aid per capita (breaking down to around $30,000 per person a year) from the US than any other country in the world. And I wonder what they spend it on?

Moreover, maybe the reason Palestinians live in abject poverty is that they live in a veritable prison guarded by the Israelis.

I am for a two-state solution but certain truths have to be recognized.

To Rat-THE - reel your hatred in a little.

I certainly don't recall the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and the UAE asking the USA to stay out of their business in 1991. or in 1980-1988 for that matter.

with regards to "solving the israeli-palestinian problem", i.e. "throwing the jews into the sea of gaza", how is that going to convince sunnis and shiites from killing each other in iraq and the rest of the middle east - as they have been doing, uninterrupted, since the murder of Ali in the 7th century ???

These questions are properly those for higher level officials. While the commander of foreign forces in Iraq and the U.S. ambassador to Iraq may have some knowledge of these policies they did not formulate these policies and they are in no position to alter them or explain them. I suggest that proper people to ask would be the Secretary of State, the National Security Adviser and the President. Shouldn't that be pretty obvious?

Sirs,

Allow me to respond to some of the key pro-arab, anti-american views expressed above.
The claim that America has no long-term policy and mission in Iraq/Middle-east,as asserted by your penalists,suffers not only from Arab ignorance of American politics and democracy;but only serves as a cheap propaganda for the Arabs and their interests!!.
America's stated mission and long-term policy in Iraq and Middle-east is to transform these rogue-states, ancient monarchies and terorist-sponsoring states into democracies.The war on terror is but a means to the above-stated mission, and to confuse or deny the existence of a policy because of the Palestinian problem is nothing new but the well-worn Arab propaganda!!.
Well, after 9/11, even the average American know the role of the so-called Arab Moderates.Was it not Arab youth from Saudi-Arabia and Egypt who committed the greatest evil of the century against America??.Was it not only yesterday that we saw again celebrations in Moderate Arab states rejoicing and glorifying as matyrs these terorist??.How can one be both the victim and perpetrator of evil??.
Arabs/Islamic jihadists are killing Arabs/moslems in Algeria,somalia,Sudan, etc, etc.Why don't we link it to the Palestinian issue???.
"Moderate Arab states" like Saudi-Arabia,Egypt,etc are the very states sponsoring and giving moral and financial aid and support to the terrorists and terrorist organisations.These are well-documented!!.
The issue is not that the world does not know about these "two-faces" the Moderate Arab states and their propagandists wear, but rather one of financial power and bribery!!!.
How can you continue to kill or plan to kill Americans,British,spanard,germans,christains,Jews etc; and expect us to sympathise with your Arab causes, illogical and irrational, typical of the Arab mind!!!

Sirs,

Allow me to respond to some of the key pro-arab, anti-american views expressed above.
The claim that America has no long-term policy and mission in Iraq/Middle-east,as asserted by your penalists,suffers not only from Arab ignorance of American politics and democracy;but only serves as a cheap propaganda for the Arabs and their interests!!.
America's stated mission and long-term policy in Iraq and Middle-east is to transform these rogue-states, ancient monarchies and terorist-sponsoring states into democracies.The war on terror is but a means to the above-stated mission, and to confuse or deny the existence of a policy because of the Palestinian problem is nothing new but the well-worn Arab propaganda!!.
Well, after 9/11, even the average American know the role of the so-called Arab Moderates.Was it not Arab youth from Saudi-Arabia and Egypt who committed the greatest evil of the century against America??.Was it not only yesterday that we saw again celebrations in Moderate Arab states rejoicing and glorifying as matyrs these terorist??.How can one be both the victim and perpetrator of evil??.
Arabs/Islamic jihadists are killing Arabs/moslems in Algeria,somalia,Sudan, etc, etc.Why don't we link it to the Palestinian issue???.
"Moderate Arab states" like Saudi-Arabia,Egypt,etc are the very states sponsoring and giving moral and financial aid and support to the terrorists and terrorist organisations.These are well-documented!!.
The issue is not that the world does not know about these "two-faces" the Moderate Arab states and their propagandists wear, but rather one of financial power and bribery!!!.
How can you continue to kill or plan to kill Americans,British,spanard,germans,christains,Jews etc; and expect us to sympathise with your Arab causes, illogical and irrational, typical of the Arab mind!!!

Imagine what the Near East would be like if Bush had spent as much money, manpower and thought on the Israel-Palestine problem. Perhaps then democracy would have a chance in the region. INstead he just poured oil on the fire!

Let the United Nations solve the problems of the Mideast. Let Israel join the nuclear-non-proleferation treaty. Let the neocons, beginning with Irving Kristol and his PNAC acolytes shove off to Israel. Let the loonies in the American Enerprise Institute, and other think tanks ship off with Kristol and the others. Leave my country alone! The U.S. deserves to return to its status as a country of international laws and respect. Goodbye Kristol, Kagan, Cheney, et al. Leave poor George W. Bush to try and think for himself. Maybe his father can help him.

But leave my country alone!!!

just from the last few comments; it shows how many sick people out there, and that is why will never be peace in this world.

"Somehow this madness must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God and brother to the suffering poor of [Iraq]. I speak for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroyed, whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor of America who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home, and death and corruption in [Iraq]. I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as one who loves America, to the leaders of our own nation: The great initiative in this war is ours; the initiative to stop it must be ours." MLK, 1967 [Yes, I substituted "Iraq" for the original "Vietnam" Read the entire speech at http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm
Substitute "terrorism" for "Communism" and "Iraq" for "Vietnam" and it could have been said today.

To Aaron- you talk about 19th century. We are now in 21st. 55 Islamic nations and they want more.

Deborah: There is a Muslim lady in CA (under death threat, of course, by peace loving Muslims) who said that Jews are not blowing up Germans (for Nazi atrocities). These daily incidents of blowing up of innocents all over the world is very unique in Islam. An exception? Not at all. It is the norm in Islam.

What exactly constitutes a moderate Arab country? The royal dictatorships in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Morocco? Egypt? This "moderate Arab countries" term keep beign thrown about without any concern whatsoever for the citizens of those countries.

Prediction for the future (time unknown) sometime in the next 'Few Decades' (not centuries). First there will be an American military withdrawal from not only Iraq but the entire ME and the former Soviet Republics as well. Already American prestige and influence is slipping daily and in not many years will become irrelevant.

There will soon be (in not many months) political upheaval in Pakistan. How that will evolve is for any wrong headed tactical Neo Con to figure out.

Afghanistan might or might not tumble back into the realm of the ultra conservative Pashtuns again with their Taliban political connections.

Perhaps, Iran will revert back into it's usual peaceful normalcy if it doesn't feel threatened.
Maybe not!--I am leaning towards the NOT side.

Followed not long after (not too many years after) by internal and violent troubles in Egypt. With Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Chad; in fact the entire South Sahara down to The Horn will gather in loose alliances. --Note I did not predict any future political change for Saudi Arabia, but definitely there will be major alterations there as well.

After all that happens (as it certainly will) the central CORE of the entire problem, as it has always been-- which is Palestine (with it's many supporters and Muslim friends)will automatically resolve itself into a bloody vengeful bloodbath of another historical nightmare. While the world will stand by helplessly wringing it's hands.

Justice, Respect and Fairness now, might alter that nightmare that is certainly coming tomorrow.

Wiser than me still have time to fend off all that from coming about--BUT THEY WON'T.--For they are too stubborn and too proud.--Remember:

"Pride cometh before the fall"

As much as I appreciate other cultures, especially the culture, language, music and people of the Arab lands, let's not deny people their psychology. Enough psychology is put upon the heads of the Jewish People by others, anyway. I didn't vote for Bush or any Republican president, ever. And I was against this war in Iraq, knowing what a bucket of worms it would be. We don't see African-Americans or Vietnamese, etc. calling for violent revenge upon our grandchildren.

Mr. Kuttab-If you hate this Country so much-Get out!

Ohhhhh, wait! That's right you sniveling backstabbing snit! You like living in a country that has PEACEFUL relations among all it's existing Religions! How Cozy!

Bet you suck up American foreign aid back in the imaginary country of Palestine-inhabited by Syrians and Jordanians!

Pal, ever occur to you that what this great and noble ountry did was stop Saddamn from paying any more of your sorry "Palestinian" murderers from wearing Iraqi Made Explosive Vests, and then paying Blood Money to the surviving trash!

Oh, and FYI-we are trying to give Iraqi's the same freedoms you are sucking up here-there!

Don't let the door hit your fat A$$ on the way OUT!

Thank you, Professor Daoud. Why don't you give up you easy job at the Hallowed Hall pourly thrash into peoples minds and go back home and help solve the problem. Or, is it that you are a Christian (Daoud--David) and are afraid to go home.

What role should the Arab states play? Boy, that is easy. None. The need to get there own houses in order before casting stones in glass houses.

The Palestinians are at war with themselves. After receiving more aid per capita than any people in the history of the world, they live in dire poverty while blaming everyone around them and asking for more. Tis sad, but look to thyself for salvation.

Perhaps more money spent on factories and less on guns? Perhaps teaching your children economics and not hatred?

Everyone should watch the documentary The Making of a Martyr. It has fascinating footage documenting the apparent brainwashing of Palestinian youth to the glory of martydom; truly a sad and horrific human rights violation of their young lives.

Thanks, Mr. Kuttab, for weighing in. What we Americans want are more Arab voices with the gravitas of your experience and fewer Bushies repeating their scripted lines.

The biggest threat to the Middle East is clearly Iran followed far behind by Al Queda. I truly believe all solutions to peace start with dismembering the Iranian leadership. Without Iran pumping money into Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza problems would miraculously go away. It is said to keep hearing the usual impotent Arab arguments over and over blaming Israel and the US for all their problems.

The Arab world does have the ability to have a say. And it does. Unfortunately, it tends to miss its best chances to be effective in a positive sense. Many of its leaders are hardly worth listening to. Which still doesn't help either ourselves or the people of the region. While the US got itself into this fiasco in Iraq, one of my favorite comments has been that all the nations in the area want a peaceful Iraq. Seems like half a sentence. The complete sentence is that each nation in the region wants a peaceful Iraq ... that looks the way they want it too look. And that is the essence of the issue. The sum of the parts can be greater, but never is.

There is only one way to solve most of the problems we are facing...

Kick out the traitors (Israeli Lobbies). These people have been pushing us to wars to cover Israel's crimes against humanity.

what really gets me pissed off, is how politely everyone is talking about Iraq. We need to stop dancing around, AND DO SOMETHING! This is war, and no one is acting like it is, even tho it is a very, very stupid one.
Our leaders, in my opinion, just havnt been performing.
VOTE EDWARDS '08!

Again, the Saudi's and the Gulf states should NOT go to Bush's Nov Summit....and without them, there is no reason for Jordan and Egypt to go too. It would be a big strategic mistake....the whole thing should be canceled. It will come back to bite them if they go. It will make them look weak and needy ...They need to think who such a conference benefits politically both in the region and in the US....it's not them....and this is no time for SA or the Gulf states to look weak.

Robert, not sure what happened with GPB, yesterday I hit it and ended up reading (and posting!) about religion ...at the Faith site! I think PG sometime has a mind of its own!

What role does Iran play now that the Sadrists have declared a cease-fire?

1. Sadrists aren't the real beneficiaries of Iranian support; that title would go the Badr brigades.

2. Tehran continues to supply money, material, and training in Iraq.

3. Tehran continues to threaten armed intervention in the absence of a US role -- almost as if they want the US there.

That having been said, could the Jews who are posting on this site please lay off the hating? Speaking as a member of the group, it's not really helpful. I'm looking at you, Debbie.

And to Hank and Gary, um, really? You don't think that perhaps maybe, just maybe, the US interventions and support for tyrannical governments in the Middle East maybe, just maybe, have something to do with why the average Arab is maybe a little irritated with our country? In case you can't remember, those would be direct interventions in Lebanon, Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq; troops placed in, let's see, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Turkmenistan, Turkey; and, right, substantial, sometimes multi-billion dollar, support for the authoritarians in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, several of the ex-Soviet states... etc.

Don't read that as praise for those governments, by the way. They're propagandistic authoritarians (at best), with only a few exceptions (maybe), and mostly are calling for my American Jewish head on a plate. Don't really care for them.

But think of it this way:

If you had a 20 countries, but couldn't vote in any of them, not really, how would you feel? And then when some guy came around and told you that you were in the wrong because your governments, who had that guy's support, were bad, and that you were to blame, how would you feel then? Really?

L'Shanah Tovah.

Let's see. 14 million Jews in the world and they really are a threat to the Arabs! The Saudis could have built 10 Palestinian states by now, with decent homes. (By the way, they could have also brought food and water across the bay to Darfur.) I was very close to 3 bombs in Jerusalem in 1968, before there were settlements. Not only were Jews murdered, but innocent Palestinians as well. Just like charity beginning at home, terror begins at home, also. Those Arabs not cooperating with Hamas, Arafat and their ilk are blown away. By the way, when Jimmy Carter returns his land to Native Americans, he can then speak of Israeli greed. The Arabic culture is ancient and their language is GORGEOUS; however, their middle name is revenge.