" Noah:

I agree. In fact, the U.S. could definitely use some Chinese immigrants, and some Indian ones while we're at it."

Migration from poor countries to developed ones is something what you can consider as a recent form of slavery. It's a kind of inverted colonization where the dominating civilization even don't have to bother with regular shipping lines leading to and from Africa or other continents.

the question of bringing Chinese immigrants to Hungary or not is difficult to answer but definitely the most important aspect would be the distribution of genders and age groups among them.

and of course: whether we would choose the British or the French policy? I think the French one would be the better in Hungary's case (cultural assimilation).

but it seems that Chinese people wouldn't like to do the jobs which the Hungarian middle classes are reckoning dirty or less well-paid... :)

Teljesen bekattantál?

Chineese dont beling in Hungary. They belong in China. I'll be damned if my mother country becomes an extention of China. We are being invaded and they havent even fired a shot.

At its pure and simple form, this is simply the genocide of the Hungarian/caucasian race.

Sad times.

Being a Chinese who is quite interested in Central and Eastern European economic development, I have to say that massive Chinese immigration to Hungary is quite unlikely.

Most modern Chinese immigrations are not asylum seekers and refugees. China's booming economy prompts people who seek prosperity to stay home. Therefore, the ones who emmigrate are generally very successful and wealthy, and seek long term asset protection from the Chinese government (which is notoriously capricious in policy making). Their prime choice are countries such as Australia, Canada, and the United States, where large Chinese population exists and the language barrier is less. English is much more studied in China than Magyarul you know.

Even though Budapest hosts one of the largest (if not the largest) Chinese population in Central Europe, most Chinese still view Hungary as some place remote and unfamiliar. Which means the ones willing to go are younger and more adventurous, but unlikely to be wealthy and experienced. In fact, after I told my parents and friends of my plan to go to Hungary for a year to study the social economic impact of the expansion of European Union, almost everyone told me that there will be no future in this.

Chinese people will still want to travel to countries such as Hungary and become long term residents because I think the upside economy potential is still quite promising. However, there is a lack of a broadly appliable reason for them to become immigrants given China is developing so fast and the quality of life is steadily improving at home. To encourage immigration while maintain a high quality amont qualified immigrants, a government (other than the United States) needs to implement policies that provides incentives to potential immigrant. A tax break maybe?

Dear Anonymus,

Do not worry, I am better now. I even now my name. I do not know yours. If you think it is OK this way, I won't complan.

Vamos is a sick man..

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From the VDARE Blog: Department Of Labor Admits H-1b Can Displace US Workers!

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A Slashdot reader found this gem in Department Of Labor documents[PDF]:

Under Performance Goal 2H, "Address worker shortages through the Foreign Labor Certification Program", we find:

"H-1B workers may be hired even when a qualified U.S. worker wants the job, and a U.S. worker can be displaced from the job in favor of the foreign worker."

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There are 3 million Afghan refugees and the Governament of Pakistan refuses to give citizenship even to those born in the refugee camps.
No wonder Pakistan is going down. If you refuse an immigrant God will curse you.
It makes me so sad. Here they have this great opportunity to accept them and yet they rebuke them.
I agree some will say this upsets the social fabric and increase crime rates. But look at the bright side. Who knows one of those kids may grow up to be a future Imran Khan (of Pathan ancestory),and bring laurels to Pakistani Cricket. Beats me!

The elites are traitors everywhere.

I agree. In fact, the U.S. could definitely use some Chinese immigrants, and some Indian ones while we're at it.

I think 1 million additional immigrants a year from those countries would be a boon to the U.S., and it would also remove any fears of America becoming a bilingual nation.

I am very glad immigration has been a blessing to Hungry. I happen to like that place a great deal, and want it to do well.

Unfortuanely, in the United States, what we got were a horde of illegal aliens. And while the Government is busy saying 11,000,000, investment firms like Bear Stearns are suggesting something much higher.

Unfortunately that illegal aliens flood came at the perfect time: the personal computer arrived with the ability to create magnificent forged documents. The effect was that the United States wound up with illegal aliens galore that used forged documents to access the welfare roles. We wound up with illegal aliens galore that used those identifications to access jobs that belonged to Americans.. and were needed by Americans.

Not all did that of course. But it is a marker of the processes that when you do buy a forged document in a Los Angeles Park, they offer three brand new names with all the side document to support the three names, and all of that for $500.

This is a forum on the city of Los Angeles which has the highest rate of illegal aliens in the nation. Well worth the read.

Some get lucky with their immigration. The United States did not.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/los-angeles/

Vamos Miklos is correct. As a long-term American resident of Budapest, I believe a substantial increase in immigration would:
(1) bolster the economy;
(2) help Hungarians to stop being so myopic
(3)reverse the devestating demographic trends in the country; and
(4) improve the choices of cuisine in Bp.

The problem is that the politics are not now favorable for any noticeable increase in immigration. Populism is ascendant, and the Hungarian people are these days (as most days) in-ward looking and depressed.

Why do we need immigrants all the time through history? Why is this place doomed so that the people living here can not reproduce? Why does this place function like a drain of nations? Will it ever change?

I am Hungarian. My origings are Jew, Schwabish (German). My family name is Dutch. Who is "Hungarian"? Who is "American"?

I have some answers of my own. Everybody should have some.

Racism in Hungary is not high. Local media emphasizes when something happens so we feel it higher than it really is.

Sane people should do the measures to keep the racims level low, to prevent increase. The keyword is education.

Keep on writing books, novels, posts to educate us all!

One of your fan: Peter

Mr Vamos..."Also, the children born of mixed parents are usually the most clever and beautiful."

Just a piece of advice... while your sentence above may be a compliment in Hungary... it is a somewhat rascist comment in the US.

Just imagine a sentence ..."Also, the children born of mixed Jewish-Gypsy parents are usually the most clever and beautiful."

How would that go with a Hungarian audience?

Well,

I do have to agree with your point. And I do know Hungarians quite well. I have studied medicine in Hungary(Debrecen and later moved to S.O.E.,Budapest) whereby I have met thousands of people during my 6-year full time studies. Really fascinating people because Hungarians always claim that they did come from the Ural mountains, the very asian side. Yes, indeed, they even seem to be so proud of their history/backgroud/culture. I do have to say that Hungary beats all other countries in Europe when it comes to the mentality of immigration and different people.

When I was about to start my first year of studies(1994), I remember the very first day I took the tram(first time in my life), stepped in, kept standing close to the driver to ask for directions(body language at that time), closed its doors, started moving...everything went fine at start until...I looked around... I found out that EVERYBODY in the tram were looking/staring/probing at me like an "Owl's eye"... Oh yes. I was terrified... I thought something was wrong with me... my face, clothes... or what else? Afterwards, I realised why. Well, I'm of asian origin and I have brown skin and black eyes and.... I'm a complete foreigner to them... May be they had never seen foreigners before, just in US movies:) Anyway, usually foreigners were students. So, we were well respected and so backforth.

Well, it took me 1 to 2 years to realise all of those happenings. But what blossommed mostly in my conversations(when I became quite fluent at the language), were that in fact, the people are NOT racists. This is for sure... They all claim they have asian blood...from the urals... "Ur" stands for Sir/Mr. and that they are immigrants together with the "cygany"/gypsies(but that's later)... Another interesting group to speak to. They kept their "Sanskrit" background. Once, I asked whether I can speak a language to them. I just counted numbers in Hindi. The fat gypsy lady replied back "Oh my God, I told you he looks like your brother"... She was speaking to her daughter who had some gynaecological problems and we were all at the doctor's office practising on some patients. But beware, they are known for being thieves :) Have to live with that. You all have to watch the film "sissy". You'll get the meaning, if u are reading this short writing.

Anyway, I'm pro immigration too and sorry if I went out of the topic but I wanted to show my appreciation when it comes to a Hungarian, writing an article which comes from a true born hearted Magyar.