Dear Friends:

Stop worrying about some Iranian leader that will pass unto dust sometime.

Earth quakes and hurricanes. Intellect is what it is as in relativity, creativity and nativity.

Do you believe in God? That is what is important.

The USA economy is one of the largest and impacts you all.

A hurricane is on the way to Mexico and you patrinise someone who does not, has not given to your economy like the USA ever has. Go beg your pardons from the Chinese Leaders they will steal as in steel and suck you dry. At no charge unlike this one.

Dear Friends:

Oh My God! As though it weren't enough we have Hilary bust in our faces, The Adultry of the past, now we have the big bag of it.

BILL IS HAVING A CONTEST AND HE IS THE WIN.
WHILE HILARY IS AT THE CONTESTANTS OF SPEECH, BILL WILL BE ON THE COACH WITH SOME YOUNG OR OTHER CHICK. ROOSTER CROWED THREE TIMES.

GOLDILOCKS AND THE BIG BAD BEAR. AND THE MAMA BEAR CAME HOME AND SAID SOMEONE HAS BEEN SLEEPING IN MY BED. AND THE BABY BEAR CAME HOME AND SAID SOMEONE HAS BEEN SLEEPING IN MY BED AND HERE SHE IS. THE BIG BAD BEAR ALSO HAS INSULTED AND USED THE CATHOLICS MONEY. THE HONEY OF THE BEE HIVE FOR THE QUEEN BEE. THE ITALIAN BAND PLAYS ON, MY GOD FATHER WOULD NEVER FEEL COMPLEMENTED THAT SOMEONE WAS STEELING FROM THE CATHOLIC DONATION PLATE. ALL OF THE USA, I DO NOT CARE HOW HANDSOME SOME YOUNG CATHOLIC IS, YOUNG MAN THE POOR OF THE CATHOLICS ALL OVER THE WORLD GIVE FOR OTHERS NOT TO BE TAKEN FROM OR THEIR PROPERTY GIVEN AWAY.

MAY MARY REMIND US AS SHE HELD BABY JESUS ADORINGLY THAT THEFT FROM ONE RELIGION TO ANOTHER SEEMS LIKE STEELING TO ME. DONATIONS ARE TO COVER THE PROPERTY OF THE CHURCH AND FOR THEIR PARISHNERS. YOU ARE NOT EVEN DECENT ADULTEROUS MAN AND THEN TO TAKE THEIR ASSETS FROM THEIR GIFTS AND DONATIONS. MAY THE JEWISH, THE LDS, METHODIST, PRESPETERIANS , GOD HELP US LUTHER WOULD HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, DO NOT TAKE THE DORMS OR THE CHILDREN THERE OF THE USA CHILDREN IN COLLEGE, NOR THE PRAYER, RUGS OF THE ARABS,
GOD HELP US THIS EX EX PRESIDENT THAT WAS SUGGESTED TO BE IMPEACHED DOES NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE OF THE CHURCH AND STATE, GOVERNMENT.
THEN TAKES KICK BACKS FROM CHINA ALL FOR GILARY, HILARY. TACKY. OH MY GOD!!!!

Bring your children unto the Lord.
Baptise, Holy communion, Confirmation,
All faiths bring your children unto the Lord.

Watch out is their a horses head to be delivered?

God is more powerful than any Iranian Leader.

God hears my prayer for the down fall of all drug dealers and the world awareness and protection of the air, land and sea for the world and the jungles natural habitat.

What do you pray for and ask to have them examine? Pass this on to as many people as you like or wish.

Oh and there appears to be another hurricane not just on it's way to Mexico and storm out of the Gulf, Another on it's way from Africa and Australlia possibly merging with a horrendous storm from the upper North Americas.
Also watch out Japan and China a storm of great magnitude is near your front door.

Garbage in. Garbage out. Account for all the best you can. But the little man and woman is as important as the big one.

Any one out there know what the pinata was original celebration and how? All the special dress and time and little hand made gifts.
The little children first then the tall.

Tell the story it is historical and a pleasure.

Foot ball season in America.

Make it a happy, festive, healthy full meal with little or no snacks.

Chimichangas, punch, ice scultures, fresh fruit, bananas, strawberries, kiwi, passion fruit, glowing ice sculptures with electrifying computer lights and color and music. Mariachis. Ole. Hot! Hot!! Hot!!!

Taquela!!!!! Beer!!! Bear!!!!!!!! WATER!!!!!!!

It's a good old boy!!! Who has gone Bad!!!
who is taking money from China to bring bad goods to hide in America.

He does not know that a religious and loving, sexy Italian man would protect his church, child and mother to be. He would wrap his arms around his child and kiss his wife while the child is in the womb. The Sexy Italian men of America, Bill Clinton is suggesting that his man is the gate keeper of your funds, coiffer and donations for Hilary and he to pay his illegal and adultrous funds. A man who ran from America during Viet Nam, Served this nation well as President but knew not how to keep his pants up, on, safe, away from the security of the white house and from the billings for hourly legal fees, and the coffees, coiffers and the schools of America.

God Help us. Are the Men of South America and Mexico equally as vulgar? Where are they on protecting the seperation of the powers in America and the government as per the constitution of the USA.

I have seen citings of Mary and Jesus. Do not ask me why God chose me?

Even though this article was written last year.
I am sort of wondering where you're perspective is coming from about America's willingness to spend political capital being in short supply.

Mexicans represent over 50% of our welfare rolls here in California, for TANF, Food stamps, Wic, English Language teachers.

All we do is spend money, and those figures include both illegal and illegal aliens. Legal aliens have a much lower birth rate, than women striving to get an amnesty, who don't have work permits, and use our overly generous kid friendly welfare services to qualify for numerous benefits and training provided by California taxpayers.

If we had work requirements, didn't include so much training (some i approve of, and some is bunk), and enforced more checks over qualifications (how do you run an Income eligibility verification check on someone who is using illegal social security numbers)

then, maybe more american mom's and kids would qualify for babysitting so they could get a few hours of relief in the early stages of infant care, when some mom's stay home (usually they are married though, and wouldn't qualify)

or single mom's earning just above the qualified income line (who have to write out enormous checks for childcare), and they don't have a second income to help out with expenses (except for american mom's we have child support)
how can we trace child support, if the illegal alien mom is busy telling us the dude is in mexico?

the deck is so unevenly stacked its absurd.
so what does the state of california do?
it knocks all the drug felonies off the qualification list, leaving american people usually with drug and mental problems homeless
while these mexican women push their moneymaking
four babies around merrily in a stroller, then dumping them off to auntie who makes another small fortune off them, attends community college, all expenses paid, while the mecha advocates make sure she is getting the books first free before any american taxpayers, including low income one's.
some mom's don't even bother to speak english
half of them don't.
the training is provided in their own language.

then there's the money we have to spend on enforcement, the money we lose in taxes, the money we spend on......................it just goes on and on and on.

the mexicans have the public duped into thinking they are underpriveleged, especially the middle class liberal bozo's who don't live in a neighborhood swamped with mexicans, who see how they get all the priveleges, and actively discriminate against americans in usurping public services and advocacies.

all the while half the damn people in sacramento who are hispanic belonged to mecha at one point. you know mecha, the group that wants to have it's own country here in america.

how convienient.
now what were you saying about america being willing to spend political capital.

outrageous. that's all we do around here with our state budget

Even though this article was written last year.
I am sort of wondering where you're perspective is coming from about America's willingness to spend political capital being in short supply.

Mexicans represent over 50% of our welfare rolls here in California, for TANF, Food stamps, Wic, English Language teachers.

All we do is spend money, and those figures include both illegal and illegal aliens. Legal aliens have a much lower birth rate, than women striving to get an amnesty, who don't have work permits, and use our overly generous kid friendly welfare services to qualify for numerous benefits and training provided by California taxpayers.

If we had work requirements, didn't include so much training (some i approve of, and some is bunk), and enforced more checks over qualifications (how do you run an Income eligibility verification check on someone who is using illegal social security numbers)

then, maybe more american mom's and kids would qualify for babysitting so they could get a few hours of relief in the early stages of infant care, when some mom's stay home (usually they are married though, and wouldn't qualify)

or single mom's earning just above the qualified income line (who have to write out enormous checks for childcare), and they don't have a second income to help out with expenses (except for american mom's we have child support)
how can we trace child support, if the illegal alien mom is busy telling us the dude is in mexico?

the deck is so unevenly stacked its absurd.
so what does the state of california do?
it knocks all the drug felonies off the qualification list, leaving american people usually with drug and mental problems homeless
while these mexican women push their moneymaking
four babies around merrily in a stroller, then dumping them off to auntie who makes another small fortune off them, attends community college, all expenses paid, while the mecha advocates make sure she is getting the books first free before any american taxpayers, including low income one's.
some mom's don't even bother to speak english
half of them don't.
the training is provided in their own language.

then there's the money we have to spend on enforcement, the money we lose in taxes, the money we spend on......................it just goes on and on and on.

the mexicans have the public duped into thinking they are underpriveleged, especially the middle class liberal bozo's who don't live in a neighborhood swamped with mexicans, who see how they get all the priveleges, and actively discriminate against americans in usurping public services and advocacies.

all the while half the damn people in sacramento who are hispanic belonged to mecha at one point. you know mecha, the group that wants to have it's own country here in america.

how convienient.
now what were you saying about america being willing to spend political capital.

outrageous. that's all we do around here with our state budget

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Could anyone be worse than Vincte Fox that exported his Poverty to the USA?

An immigrant is a person who obtains an immigration visa from a U.S. Consulate, expresses a wish & a will to become a U.S. citizen, and abides by the law.

The problem Americans are facing is one of ILLEGAL INVADERS, not immigrants -- brought about by total neglect of the U.S. government to protect our Borders throughout several decades, both by Democratic and Republican administrations.

They have ignored Article IV Section IV of our Constitution & our Laws that is supposed to protect this Country from Invasion!

President Bush has not only ignored our Constitution & Laws he has Aided, Abided, Encouraged and Collaborated with a foreign government to Subvert our Constitution! To ignore our Constitution is grounds for Impeachment, to engage in Subverting our Constitution is Treason!

This Policy continues today even after the Wake-Up call of 9/11!

When you have Senators that are swore to Defend the Constitution & Uphold our Laws encourage Criminals to break them then you have Criminals for Politicians! When our Politicians that think our Constitution is just a damn piece of Paper & Laws are meant to be broken then we are headed down the Slippery Slope of Anarchy!

We are already paying a terrible price for Politicians ignoring our Constitution & our Laws, in the end, if not addressed soon, it will destroy this Nation!

We have a bureaucracy that makes it difficult for legitimate people to come to this country but does little or nothing to stop the Massive Invasion across our Borders!

Illegal Aliens start by breaking the Law by Arriving Illegally using Forged Document and engaging in a wide range of Illegal Activities that would get an American Citizens Fined and in Jail.

If an American Citizen is caught driving without driver licenses or insurance they face heavy fines & possible lost of driving Privileges. Illegal Aliens on the other hand are usually released with no punishment! The same is true for identify thief and benefits using false SS cards & for a host of other Crimes that American Citizens would feel the full weight of the Law!

Our Politicians answer to these crimes is not to punish them, but to reward them!

Only someone that is Brain-dead would believe rewarding Criminals results in less Criminals or Crime!

People that start out by breaking the Laws & are Rewarded for doing so, have little respect or regard for any Laws & see this Nation and American Citizens as ripe for Plunder!

They take full advantage of every benefit they can get Legal or Illegally!

Illegal Aliens have an informal but highly effective net work to inform other Illegal Aliens where to get bogus documents & any new scams to get benefits illegally! Most Illegal Aliens works off the books & pays no taxes but still somehow gets an Earned Income tax credit ranging form 1500.00 to 3200.00 returned to them every year from American taxpayers!

Illegal Aliens arrive in this Country from Counties where rampant Crime and Corruption has been a way of life for Centuries, is it any wonder they bring those same Family Values across the Border with them?

They retain loyally to the Native Countries & Exploit the Compassion of Americans by using us & having nothing but contempt for a people & Nation that does not have the Political Will or Integrity in its Politicians to enforce our Laws & our Constitution against Invasion.

To put it bluntly & without being Politically Correct, Illegal Aliens & Many of our Politicians are Parasites & Criminals feasting on the backs of American Citizens!

Illegal Aliens seek not to build this Nation, but to use the fruits of Labor of Legal American Citizens that immigrated to this country legally & have in 230 years of Blood, Sweat, Tears, and Sacrifice built this Nation!

While the Illegal Invaders have built nothing but a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty & Misery in their own Counties for the masses, but a Elite class of very Rich, and Corrupt for the few.

Could this be what many of our Politicians are hoping to Achieve here in the USA?

You hear our Politicians like Bush, Kennedy, Hillary, McCain, Reid, Spector, Brownback, that's wants to give them Amnesty, only they are so dishonest they refuse to call it Amnesty! They talk about the Rule of Law & Amnesty in the same sentence. This is an Oxymoron of the first order!

We hear the same Politicians speaking of seeking Bipartisan support for a Comprehensive solution to Illegal Aliens which are code words for Amnesty without any means or intend to enforce the Laws or our Constitution & close our Borders, just like they did with the 1986 Amnesty!

They further obscure & confuse the issue with Political Spin & Lies by saying it is only 7 or 8 million when the best independent estimates of the Illegal population was 20 million years ago & we have 5 to 10 thousand more pouring across our borders every day since then.

They conveniently forget to inform American Citizens that each Illegal Alien granted citizenship has the option to bringing in 5 family members in a never ending chain, so at the very least we are talking about 60 million or so in the next 15 to 20 years, a more realistic number is probably 200 million or more.

This Nation will be inundated with 10,s of Millions of Prolific breeders. Citizens with an average of 6 grade education and a 50 percent school drop out rate to populate the gangs & welfare rolls.

This is the same thing that happens with the last Amnesty, only this time it is on a scale large enough to destroy this Nation and turn the USA into another Mexico!

What we really have is a club of Millionaires in the Senate & the Democrat party seeking to deceive American Citizens again & pass a Law to reward other Millionaires with an unlimited supply of 21 First Century slaves.

While they reward their selves with the votes from Latinos and money they receive from Corporations for destroying this Nation!

The intent is to exploit both the Illegal Aliens for their Cheap Labor and the Poor & Middle class American Citizens as victims of the Illegal Alien's crime, deteriorating standard of living and the 100,s of billions in welfare costs!

While the users of the Illegal Aliens Labor laugh all the way to the bank with their obscene profits! The get richer while the rest sink into Poverty! In Bush's term in office 5.4 million more American Citizens have slipped into poverty so he has been effective in his goal & if they succeed in this Amnesty their victory will be Complete! American will become an Nation of Poverty with the Rich, Elite and Corrupt ruling and the rest slaving for pennies like the Peons in Mexico!

If this Amnesty is passed is anything like the Senate version as currently written, it will result in harm to this Nation almost beyond ones imagination!

The last Amnesty resulted in the largest increase in Crime and Welfare of any bill ever passed & compared to this Amnesty it was minuscule.

Illegal Aliens as percentage of population & the ones given Citizenship by the last Amnesty contribute more too both Crime & Welfare, than any other group in the USA!

So you be the judge of what the results of next Amnesty will be & the harm it will do!
.
The press is as guilty as the Politicians in trying to foster off this massive Amnesty bill on the American Public. They continue to refer to the Mass Invasion of Illegal Aliens as Immigrants which could not be further from the truth.

They fail to point out the harmful impact of the last Amnesty in 1986.

Few report what the detrimental affects will be to our Population, Standard of living, Crime, Environment, Welfare or a host of other problems with the Senate bill!

Many Nations have tried to build a great Nation on the Back of Slaves, all have failed. If this were not so Mexico & other third world Nations would be rich instead of poor!

For anyone that has never lived in an third country & experienced the horrible conditions & do not understand what will happen to this Country if the Senate Amnesty is passed go visit the interior of Mexico, there you will see the future of this Nation!

We, as American Citizens owe & have the duty to prior generations that built this country at great personal sacrifice & to future generations, to rise up in protest from coast to coast and tell our Corrupt Politicians, No Not Again!

An immigrant is a person who obtains an immigration visa from a U.S. Consulate, expresses a wish & a will to become a U.S. citizen, and abides by the law.

The problem Americans are facing is one of ILLEGAL INVADERS, not immigrants -- brought about by total neglect of the U.S. government to protect our Borders throughout several decades, both by Democratic and Republican administrations.

They have ignored Article IV Section IV of our Constitution & our Laws that is supposed to protect this Country from Invasion!

President Bush has not only ignored our Constitution & Laws he has Aided, Abided, Encouraged and Collaborated with a foreign government to Subvert our Constitution! To ignore our Constitution is grounds for Impeachment, to engage in Subverting our Constitution is Treason!

This Policy continues today even after the Wake-Up call of 9/11!

When you have Senators that are swore to Defend the Constitution & Uphold our Laws encourage Criminals to break them then you have Criminals for Politicians! When our Politicians that think our Constitution is just a damn piece of Paper & Laws are meant to be broken then we are headed down the Slippery Slope of Anarchy!

We are already paying a terrible price for Politicians ignoring our Constitution & our Laws, in the end, if not addressed soon, it will destroy this Nation!

We have a bureaucracy that makes it difficult for legitimate people to come to this country but does little or nothing to stop the Massive Invasion across our Borders!

Illegal Aliens start by breaking the Law by Arriving Illegally using Forged Document and engaging in a wide range of Illegal Activities that would get an American Citizens Fined and in Jail.

If an American Citizen is caught driving without driver licenses or insurance they face heavy fines & possible lost of driving Privileges. Illegal Aliens on the other hand are usually released with no punishment! The same is true for identify thief and benefits using false SS cards & for a host of other Crimes that American Citizens would feel the full weight of the Law!

Our Politicians answer to these crimes is not to punish them, but to reward them!

Only someone that is Brain-dead would believe rewarding Criminals results in less Criminals or Crime!

People that start out by breaking the Laws & are Rewarded for doing so, have little respect or regard for any Laws & see this Nation and American Citizens as ripe for Plunder!

They take full advantage of every benefit they can get Legal or Illegally!

Illegal Aliens have an informal but highly effective net work to inform other Illegal Aliens where to get bogus documents & any new scams to get benefits illegally! Most Illegal Aliens works off the books & pays no taxes but still somehow gets an Earned Income tax credit ranging form 1500.00 to 3200.00 returned to them every year from American taxpayers!

Illegal Aliens arrive in this Country from Counties where rampant Crime and Corruption has been a way of life for Centuries, is it any wonder they bring those same Family Values across the Border with them?

They retain loyally to the Native Countries & Exploit the Compassion of Americans by using us & having nothing but contempt for a people & Nation that does not have the Political Will or Integrity in its Politicians to enforce our Laws & our Constitution against Invasion.

To put it bluntly & without being Politically Correct, Illegal Aliens & Many of our Politicians are Parasites & Criminals feasting on the backs of American Citizens!

Illegal Aliens seek not to build this Nation, but to use the fruits of Labor of Legal American Citizens that immigrated to this country legally & have in 230 years of Blood, Sweat, Tears, and Sacrifice built this Nation!

While the Illegal Invaders have built nothing but a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty & Misery in their own Counties for the masses, but a Elite class of very Rich, and Corrupt for the few.

Could this be what many of our Politicians are hoping to Achieve here in the USA?

You hear our Politicians like Bush, Kennedy, Hillary, McCain, Reid, Spector, Brownback, that's wants to give them Amnesty, only they are so dishonest they refuse to call it Amnesty! They talk about the Rule of Law & Amnesty in the same sentence. This is an Oxymoron of the first order!

We hear the same Politicians speaking of seeking Bipartisan support for a Comprehensive solution to Illegal Aliens which are code words for Amnesty without any means or intend to enforce the Laws or our Constitution & close our Borders, just like they did with the 1986 Amnesty!

They further obscure & confuse the issue with Political Spin & Lies by saying it is only 7 or 8 million when the best independent estimates of the Illegal population was 20 million years ago & we have 5 to 10 thousand more pouring across our borders every day since then.

They conveniently forget to inform American Citizens that each Illegal Alien granted citizenship has the option to bringing in 5 family members in a never ending chain, so at the very least we are talking about 60 million or so in the next 15 to 20 years, a more realistic number is probably 200 million or more.

This Nation will be inundated with 10,s of Millions of Prolific breeders. Citizens with an average of 6 grade education and a 50 percent school drop out rate to populate the gangs & welfare rolls.

This is the same thing that happens with the last Amnesty, only this time it is on a scale large enough to destroy this Nation and turn the USA into another Mexico!

What we really have is a club of Millionaires in the Senate & the Democrat party seeking to deceive American Citizens again & pass a Law to reward other Millionaires with an unlimited supply of 21 First Century slaves.

While they reward their selves with the votes from Latinos and money they receive from Corporations for destroying this Nation!

The intent is to exploit both the Illegal Aliens for their Cheap Labor and the Poor & Middle class American Citizens as victims of the Illegal Alien's crime, deteriorating standard of living and the 100,s of billions in welfare costs!

While the users of the Illegal Aliens Labor laugh all the way to the bank with their obscene profits! The get richer while the rest sink into Poverty! In Bush's term in office 5.4 million more American Citizens have slipped into poverty so he has been effective in his goal & if they succeed in this Amnesty their victory will be Complete! American will become an Nation of Poverty with the Rich, Elite and Corrupt ruling and the rest slaving for pennies like the Peons in Mexico!

If this Amnesty is passed is anything like the Senate version as currently written, it will result in harm to this Nation almost beyond ones imagination!

The last Amnesty resulted in the largest increase in Crime and Welfare of any bill ever passed & compared to this Amnesty it was minuscule.

Illegal Aliens as percentage of population & the ones given Citizenship by the last Amnesty contribute more too both Crime & Welfare, than any other group in the USA!

So you be the judge of what the results of next Amnesty will be & the harm it will do!
.
The press is as guilty as the Politicians in trying to foster off this massive Amnesty bill on the American Public. They continue to refer to the Mass Invasion of Illegal Aliens as Immigrants which could not be further from the truth.

They fail to point out the harmful impact of the last Amnesty in 1986.

Few report what the detrimental affects will be to our Population, Standard of living, Crime, Environment, Welfare or a host of other problems with the Senate bill!

Many Nations have tried to build a great Nation on the Back of Slaves, all have failed. If this were not so Mexico & other third world Nations would be rich instead of poor!

For anyone that has never lived in an third country & experienced the horrible conditions & do not understand what will happen to this Country if the Senate Amnesty is passed go visit the interior of Mexico, there you will see the future of this Nation!

We, as American Citizens owe & have the duty to prior generations that built this country at great personal sacrifice & to future generations, to rise up in protest from coast to coast and tell our Corrupt Politicians, No Not Again!

David Crow has now used my age and my last name twice as arguments. This morning, someone else mentioned my religion (a few days ago, social-status played a part as well). All in all, a charming, prejudicial cocktail.
Still, I agree with some of what Crow says. Let's set the record straight: naturally, Lopez Obrador is no ogre. As Crow points out, some of his social programs are indeed sensible (I disagree on the merits of his urban projects, though). Still, my overall opinion of the man remains the same. Based on his record and his proposals, I believe Lopez Obrador did not and would not offer Mexico a coherent and effective social or economic plan for development. Lopez Obrador's project can be analyzed in detail in www.lupaciudadana.com.mx , an independent internet site devoted precisely to such purpose.
Apparently, Crow and I seem to disagree, most of all, in whether or not to believe in Lopez Obrador's character. He chooses to do so. I choose not to.
He argues that Bejarano and Ponce scandals happened before Obrador's time. They did not. Gustavo Ponce, who was caught while comfortably sitting in the Bellagio's high-roller's table, was Lopez Obrador's finance minister. Rene Bejarano was caught receiving money when he was, as he very well knows, Lopez Obrador's political operator. Both things happened when Obrador was in office. These examples - plus what's happening as we speak in Mexico - tells me of a man who only respects the rule of law when the law rules in his favor.
Crow says that Mexico's institutions must "prove themselves worthy of trust". I want to believe he means to have every vote counted and every legal instance reviewed. I agree.
I have never said that every vote shouldn't be counted (nor has any reasonable person in Mexico). Of course it should. But, once a final decision has been reached, every single part of Mexico's political landscape should recognize the results as valid.
Crow implies that those 3 million votes that show inconsistencies immediately translate into a massive fraud. First of all, the supposed "inconsistencies" were a normal - and predictable - part of the process; representatives from every party had knowledge of them and how they would be dealt with. The "inconsistencies" have now been counted and Calderon's lead remains. To call into question the IFE's legitimacy is irresponsible and, what's worse, shows a complete lack of understanding of the IFE itself and of Mexico's harsh, hard-fought passage from a de facto dictatorship to an effective democracy.
Obviously, I think that if Lopez Obrador does not recognize the results, a severe crisis could arise. After reading the rest of Crow's posts, my bet is he's either Mexican or an American who has lived long enough in my country to have some historical perspective. If that's the case, let me ask him:
Does he remember what things were like in the times of the PRI?
Would he equate this post-electoral process to 1988, as some in the PRD are already doing? What does he think of the markets' reaction to the election?
Does he really believe that the way to end poverty and inequality in Latin America is to go back to Peron?
What does he think of Obrador's stubborn rebuff of foreign capital in both gas and oil? Does he think Hugo Chavez, who "cares" for his poor by dispensing petro-dollars with amazing ease, is the way out for the region?
What does he make of Chile's rise? How did the country accomplish such success?
What can he tell me about Mexico's successful social programs, the same ones Lopez Obrador has rejected?
Does he believe in the importance of structural reform, which Mr. Obrador has described as ill-advised?
Is irresponsible populism the best way to answer the debate on the Washington consensus and its consequences?
If Crow and most others who have so virulently answered my post really want a better future for Mexico, they should wish not for a populist like Obrador but for a true modern man of the left to come along (I'd vote for him in a flash, by the way). There are no easy recipes in the world now. Or do they still believe in laid-back paternalism?

About elections in Baja California: PAN steamrolled, it won everything, period. In the past state elections it lost control of the state assembly.

Here PRI is so corrupt it cannot be ignored. Our PRI mayor owns betting in town and other places. It's not illegal, of course, maybe immoral if you beleive in such abstractions.
Mostly anti-PRI vote, whose traditional members cannot beleive the results,THIRD place for the best party machine in Mexico.
Not so much pro PAN, Whose members see it as scientific proof that they are smart. They forget they lost three years ago.
PRD is a little less corrupt, maybe. It's so small and divided it begs to be ignored. Saludos

I am very disappointed at Leon Krauze's partisan-like analysis because he does not use original ideas, he steals all of his father´s (Enrique Krauze) arguments on his essay "El Mesías Tropical", recently published in his family owned magazine "Letras Libres". Washington Post editors should be more careful in hiring serious analysts of Mexican politics, with authentic positions and strong background, no only for having a famous last name or for being the son of a famous intellectual. Should I remind you of the fascist and anti-semitical far right positions of the Yunque fanatics that hold the power inside the National Action Party, young Krauze? As a mexican jew, you should not back them up in such a pitiful way.

Miss Salas,
Who wants the vote count to be stopped?
Which PAN official has suggested such a thing (please name one)?
Is this, like so many other things in Lopez's political career, another case of the rule of law being wrong just because it just happens to disagree with the PRD candidate?
How old are you, anyway?
Did you live through 1968? Do you even remember what it was like to have macro-economic instability in Mexico?
Which "large sections of the Mexican population" have been wronged in this election? Please name one "large section".
Talk about youth...

Since this forum lends itself to socioeconomic and political analysis, it is fit to speculate from which context the author's perspective is forged. The above commentator crying foul over others assuming the author is wealthy is the only one thus far who has written anything bordering on invective and he employs the use of pejoratives not raised by anyone else (that is, except on the other side by the author himself). You've got to be joking if a reference to golf causes pain to your heart, as if it constitutes a disempowering label towards the rich. I do not believe the informed responses here (they contain FACTS you can look up) have been based on the picture of the young man who has written this article but rather on his stated declarations. Mr. Sanders is entitled to his broad opinions, but is it responsible for Mr. Krauze to post his own broad opinions and make them pass for serious journalism? That involves a great level of deception. In conclusion, there must be an end to the fear-mongering of the right. An end to the LAWFUL count of the votes now would prove the election a tragic joke staged to prevent the unrest of a people oppressed for so long; if AMLO ceases to defend the people's vote by succumbing to the right's hysteria, the election cannot be deemed anything else but fraud. If PAN is so certain of victory, let all the votes be counted to show the world and future generations of Mexicans that the electoral process is legitimate or at least becoming legitimate, given the great inequity of the process for certain large sections of the Mexican population, in regions where even things as essential as roads are lacking.

I don't get it:
How do you know that the author is a spoiled, rich kid who doesn't care for the poor or for democracy in his country?
Is it because of his picture?
Is it because, quite simply, someone who does not agree with Lopez Obrador just has to be this caricature, this privileged, filthy-rich man who plays golf and looks upon the poor with contempt?
That sounds to me like the worst kind of leftist crap: "either you think like me or you are an imperialist, capitalist pig".
How disgusting.

Plus, I have to say: I am also a teacher and, honestly, I don't see one single generalization in this piece. He may have written with broad opinions, but he's entitled to them. Just as I am.

I notice that the younger Krauze's posts, like his article, fail to respond to my and others's specific claims about López Obrador. Regarding whether or not López Obrador is law abiding, it's worth noting that the bribery scandals (Bejarano, et al) all took place during Rosario Robles's adminitration, not AMLO's. Also, with respect to the land controversy that gave rise to the "desafuero", an El Universal survey showed that 70% of Mexicans believed these charges to be politically motivated and without legal substance.

And, despite Calderón's and his supporters' triumphalism, the election appears to be far from over. AMLO is not propitiating a crisis by refusing to recognize the results until a complete count of polling place reports ("actas de casilla"), and even individual ballots, is carried out. Mexican electoral law specifically allows for this and spells out circumstances under which this should take place. So far, there appear to be serious anomalies between IFE-reported "preliminary results" and the actual polling site reports. Also, some three million votes are unaccounted for, having been set aside by the IFE because of "inconsistencies" (see http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/359881.html ).
AMLO is not only within his rights to demand clarification; he has a responsibility to do so to those who supported him.

If Mexico's institutions demand to be trusted, they must show themselves worthy of trust. It is clear that not all of Mexico's political actors trust the IFE, and with good reason. There were apparent leaks of confidential voter roll information; decisions that showed favoritism toward the PAN (on the Chávez and business community spots, the late fine for Aznar's blatant interference in the campaign); and Calderón's brother-in-law's company was involved in designing the system of preliminary results and the voter data base. All of this wrests credibility from the IFE. If I were in the PRD, I would also distrust the IFE and demand that every last vote be counted. Even if Mexico goes months without a president-elect, it's worth having a credible electoral outcome.

Finally, I'm sick and tired of the Mexican upper class dismissing AMLO supporters as "ignorant". This attitude is arrogant, classist, and just plain anti-democratic.

I agree with what Krauze says. But all the "ifs" that he mentions don´t seem to matter anymore because Calderon won. Lets just wait and see if Lopez Obrador is as "Juarista" as he says he is, and lets see if he upholds peace and respects the results, instead of creating a national crisis. I, for one, suspect the latter will happen. On the other hand, that will probably prove many of his supporters (so many on this particular page) wrong. Law abiding.... lets wait and see, shall we?

Jesus Christ!!! Could you please stop analyzing what Mr. Krauze said from his financial status??? Believe me, being rich (which im not sure Mr. Krauze is, given the fact that he is the son of a historian not the owner of Phillip Morris) in Mexico is not the same as being rich in the states.... you encounter poverty everywher you look, with panhandlers and beggars everywhere. And, besides, I (an affluent mexican myself, i must admit) dont think that i`ll lose my house if Obrador gets to be president and, on the other hand, will get a raise if Calderòn gets elected. Those sort of things just don`t happen. So, please, lets talk politics from a political standpoint, lets not tarnish someones reputation or comments solely on the basis of his wealth. That, my friends, is just sad.

I teach journalism at a community college and would give a failing grade to this supposed piece of "commentary." Lots of sweeping generalizations with zero evidence.
That's not journalism, or credible commentary.
It's a petulant rant. Presumably from a rich kid who sees his privileges threatened by the dawn of a genuine democracy in Mexico.

Interesting article. It seems that everyone is concentrating on Lopez Obrador, but not what or who is behind this "Liberator of the poor" and not only that a very stubborn and crazy polititian who will do anything to win the election.
We have to analyze who Lopez Obrador has promised the "ignorant" poor. "If you vote for me, You no longer will be poor", come on what kind of bull is that and what kind of ignorant person believes that. As you can see Mexico is made up of almost 80 % of its population with an elementary education or less, and that is the vote he is going after: the ignorant voter.
If he doesn't win the elctions, which he was very sure that he would, he will start riots and cry out electoral fraud. Furthermore he will say that he has evidence that makes him the winer, but that he will never show. That is who Lopez Obrador is. But really who is pulling his strings and who is financing him?

When I entered the washington post webpage I was expecting to find some "real" information or comments(some we can hardly get inside our country) about the presidential elections. I was very intrigued to know the opinion of "serious journalists". Well, after reading all of the comments regardding Leon Krauze´s article I get two feelings, one, the very little knowledge and responsability that Leon Krauze shows to have as a "serious journalist(unlike his father, that I admire), and let´s not try to confuse this with a "non democratic" type of thinking like Krauze explained, but taking in count the sense of ethic that any journalist should show, on the other hand I feel sad and unrepresented by Krauze´s (individual) opinion about Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. Let´s not forget that there is a lot behind a public figure, most of the times political campaigns try to "satanize" the candidate´s image to justify other parties interests. In this case, speacifically the "oppulence" and "religiousness" that the right (PAN) represents,because after all who wants to aknowledge the absurd reality that extreme poverty represents in our country?, maybe it´s just better to put on your Kakis, and your blue polo shirt, head right to the golf course and have a nice chat with your pals about how wealthy your brother in law is becoming with all of the business you have arranged for him with the government....seems comfortable does´nt it?
Finally, Mexico is a great country, with great people...and like a ggod friend always says: CREAM ALWAYS RAISES TO THE TOP!

I cannot believe that such ignorant people (AMLO supporters) have come this far -- to a US journal -- to express their ignorant opinions and their unconditional support for a candidate who is irrespectful of the law and a sore loser too. He is now conditioning his acceptance of the official results of the elections to "comparing the information in his hands and the one from the IFE" because HIS numbers show that he has won the election and he's not willing to admit defeat. Well, suprise: HE DID NOT WIN, and he will have to accept the results anyway. I am SO GLAD that Felipe Calderon is ahead and that many people voted yesterday in order not to let him win. I know people who first supported him and then realized what a mistake they were about to make, but luckily changed their mind in the last minute. Hopefully the final count of the votes will prove what we are witnessing now: that Calderon will be the new president and that we got rid of the biggest threat Mexico has faced in the last years.

Lamento mucho su forma de pensar Sr. Krauze, usted tubo acceso a una de las mejores universisdades del pais, no fue victima de la gran injusticia social que nos margina a los indigenas y a la clase más necesitada del país. Disfrute de su comoda posición mienstras le dure.

There is little point in answering those for whom Lopez Obrador is an admirable reformer or a pure political soul. Do they know about Bejarano and Ponce when they talk about Obrador's pristine honesty? Have they followed and analyzed Obrador's campaign promises and their viability (www.lupaciudadana.com.mx is useful)?
But these and other arguments are now beside the point. It appears that Felipe Calderon has won the election by a narrow margin. In the next few days, we will have a chance to get to know the real political identity of both Calderon and Lopez Obrador. Will the loser respect the results? Will the winner understand his limited mandate and Mexico's undeniable need for reform? Will he build a coalition? How will Calderon's triumph affect Latin America?
Mexico is looking to the future. I sincerely hope that our debate can now focus on these issues.

I don't see any division created by AMLO, what i see is the reality of my country (over 60 million people in the poor). I'm a student from Mexico and it is very clear the influence created by this propagandistic terror play by the federal goverment and the candidate of the PAN. The reproduction of the media discourse that says AMLO is dangerous for the country only shows how mexican people is easily influence yet by the media powers.

Oh! And by the way, Sergio says that Mr. Obrador is a law abiding individual, one that has "enforced the tax code rather than evaded", and has given the money to important programs rather than to his friends so they can "live in grotesque luxury". God! I don´t know in which country Mr. Sergio lives in, but it is, certainly, not Mexico. While he was major, Mr. Obrador´s government was the only one that said goodbye to the "transparency law" in which all of the government´s expenses can be viewed by citizens. He claimed it was too expensive. Of course, us Mexicans never got a chance to know, exactly, how much it cost to build the famous 2nd floor of the Periférico.

If that isn´t enough: Mr. Obrador´s right hand (his Cheney, to put it in context) was found receiving large quantities of money from a corrupt businessman. We all saw that in the famous videoscándalos. If that wasnt enough, another close collaborator of Mr. Obrador, a guy named Carlos Imaz, was found doing the exact same thing. Law abiding individual huh? He doesn´t help his friends live in grotesque luxury? You should ask his children, who dress with Prada clothing and travel in Hummers if they live in "grotesque luxury". What a shame that you would submit a comment without knowing any facts and just for the sake of wanting to diminish what Mr. Krauze said. What. A. Shame.

Isn´t it strange that once a person has a view that contradicts Lopez Obrador he is labelled, instantly, as someone who is fighting a dirty war against him in the name of the PAN?

That is exactly what Mr. Obrador has created: a divided atmosphere in which you are either with him or against him. Unfortunately, that line seems to divide us mexicans into the poor and helpless and the rich and evil. Sergio said that Mr. Krauze isnt giving any strong facts to support his opinions and although I think he is mistaken, I´ll try and give some indisputable facts about Mr. Obrador myself: its no mystery that Mexico City is a dangerous city to live in. I live there and I have been robbed two times. When a vast majority of the population gathered around Reforma Avenue to march against insecurity, Mr. Obrador labelled the march as a conspiracy against him and suggested that it was organized by the rich and powerful. The truth is: it wasnt like that and in Mexico nobody can escape from insecurity, the poor people, who travel in buses, are the ones being mugged everyday. But Obrador used this to create a social drift... so vital for his campaign.

Financially, one has only to listen to this man speak to understand his lack of knowledge in the area. He wants to improve Pemex (Mexican Oil Industry) infrastructure by using some 80 billion pesos that he says he will get by cutting the bureaucrats salaries by half. Mind you, the bureaucracy in Mexico accounts for 15% of the workforce. Im sure that when the income reduction comes they will be more than happy to oblige. Even if he could do that (and he won´t, because it is preposterous) he would still need some 70 billion pesos to fulfill his promise, and given the fact that he says that the best international financial policy is internal policy, from where will he get the money?

All of you that seem to be in favor of Mr. Obrador should have listend to the debate. In it, Mr. Obrador tackled each question with the same retorical answer: "the only way to solve Mexico´s problems is by reducing poverty". He is right. The only important question is how? To this, Mr. Obrador seems to have no answers, other than disributing money to the poor and needy, instead of helping them get a job.

These, my fellow bloggers, are facts. And, believe me, I am, in no way, tied to the PAN party.

What a blatant hypocrite Krauze is!

Believe, me I dont have any great stake in defending AMLO.

The majority of the responses here are in no way "nasty," but attempts at responding in a reasonable way to Krauze's comments.

A few do become personal, NOT, the majority. I note as well that this was after Krauze characterized AMLO as grandiose, messianic and "dangerous," and says he will not carry out intelligent reform with NO discussion of his tenure as mayor of Mexico City.

Perhaps some of the more animated responses were before the Post changed the headline.

As for nasty campaining, again, it was Calderon who went negative first, in part following the advice of his US and Spanish "hired guns," er, excuse me, political consultants, dont want Mr. Krauze to label this as nasty or immature post.

Even Calderon's own advisors were quoted in a NYT article that their earlier media campaign attempting to link AMLO with Chavez was not exactly Boy Scouts type behavior.

Anyway, I'm all against nastiness (who isnt?), but Krauze apparently is an individual who can be "nasty" about AMLO, then labels even legitimate criticism of his opinion as "nastiness."

I dont think labeling him a hypocrite for this is being nasty. Just the truth.

What we have seen in the majority of the comments to my post is exactly the kind of nasty political campaign that Mexico has seen for a long while now. Naturally, I disagree with people who believe Lopez Obrador to be an admirable reformer. Given his personal and professional records, there is evidence to believe that the man could prove to be exactly the opposite of what Mexico needs. Obviously, this is not propaganda. This is just an honest opinion. Unfortunately, Mexico's democracy is still very much immature, and intellectual disagreements are often met, in many circles, with just the sort of reaction my post generated here.
Even if I don't agree with them, I obviously respect those who support Obrador's candidacy. Now that the election is over, the only thing left is to hope that, if he turns out to be the winner in the end, Lopez Obrador proves his critics wrong.

Young Krauze, It is obvious that you are not a serious journalist. In your words you demonstrate an entire ignorance of the politics of our country. Regrettably the people as you who manages to have a space in the mass media thanks to the surname and the family relations, only think about how to affect in the fortitude of the people and more if it is foreign. How many times have you spoken with Andrés manuel López Obrador eaten with him or followed by a personal way his life and to act as political? I am sorry much that in your words you distill the same extract as the PAN (Partido Accion Nacional) it drips in his daily publications. AMLO announced that it will support the macroeconomic stable variables, that the public deficit will be controlled, that will not privatize the oil and the energy and that the economy will have a technical and not ideological control. it does to you great lacking experience and knowledge to be able to express oneself seriously in a forum as important as this. The Mexicans we are not dumb and we can perceive your moral double as well as that of those of the PAN. I clarify that not and militant of the PRD. Greetings.

The analyst's political judgment has the sound of propaganda and is not based on the facts of AMLO's political career. I lived two years in Mexico-City in a poor part of the town defending Fox and his PAN party against a disappointed population who hoped more of the "economic turn" promised six years ago. I have my doubts about Lopez Obrador but he is to pragmatic to "turn Mexico's back to the world". Lopez Obrador is not a populist like Chavez. He is a right-wing politician in a left-wing party who has learned his skills in the PRI-Party and has proven that he can make a change (at least in the City of Mexico). I would not vote for him (as a German I can't) but I would wish him good luck if he would win.

I am amazed to see how a serious news paper like this parrots the dirty war of the corrupt right-wing party in Mexico against a clean politician who has proven to work hard, to help the helpless with great social programs that worked, and who won the title of second Best Major of the World. Shame on you!

Regardless of today's outcome, Mexico's success will continue to be contingent upon the United State's willingness to focus on international relations with its neighbors to the south(including South and Central America.) This administration has failed miserably in dealing with any issue outside of terrorism and one could argue it is failing in that venture as well.

In any event, your readers will be surprised upon reading tomorow's news that Madrazo will be the next President of Mexico. Mr. Krauze conveniently leaves out the fact that the PRI still rules many of the key battleground states in Mexico.

In all governments there are people affected in different ways by their actions, however, with a leftist government in Mexico, with AMLO as president, the economic interests of the rich will not be affected in a negative way, and the poor could benefit from the creation of a federal Welfare State. Obrador is consistent that he needs support from the private sector in order to run an efficient government, this has been proved in Mexico City where he made important projects in coordination with all kinds of business people as major, is not so strange that 70% of the people in Mexico City approves and supports his government and are willing to repeat a PRD administration. The main contrast between the continuity of the mediocre PAN government showed by the incapability of president Fox to negotiate the structural reforms needed, and a government of PRD, is that with Obrador there is a more plausible scenario for a political consensus that will lead to the agreements so desperately needed. Stop with the campaign based on fear and lies! This is what is costing so much to the ever-building democratic processes in Mexico, this is the real danger. It is a shame that the Krauze's name is involved and stained in the dirty war run against the legitimate social-democratic movement in Mexico represented by Obrador and his genuine citizen base of supporters.

What a pathetic commentary. So many gloomy generalizations made about Lopez Obrador -- mistrust of the world... Mexico would turn its back to the world...his populist and class-oriented rhetoric... has irritated social tensions in Mexico... disregard for the rule of law... his genuine contempt for the judicial process...promises that are either financially unsound or just plain impossible... a social spendthrift who could wreak havoc on Mexico's hard-fought macroeconomic balance....
Wow! All of that, and with zero evidence adduced to support any of it!
Seems to me that what really troubles fatcat apologists for the status quo like Leon Krauze is that Lopez Obrador has actually had the tax code enforced, rather than evaded, and he has plowed the proceeds into programs and public works that benefit the poor majority, rather than allowing rich folks like him and his friends to continue soaking Mexico's poor so they can live in grotesque luxury.
Lopez Obrador stands a better chance of modernizing Mexico than any other presidential candidate and the none of the hysterical rantings of Krauze or his ilk will convince me, or the majority of Mexicans, otherwise.

Kudos to David Crow, he hit the proverbial nail on the head. Further, for all those who would criticize Lopez Obrador for 'ignoring' the rule of law, read Crow's post again.

Lopez Obrador increased government revenues by some 60% in Mexico City. Even more impressive, he did so without substantially raising tax rates. Rather, he used both carrots and sticks to get capitalinos to finally pay the taxes they already legally owed and had long evaded.

So who is really a supporter of the rule of law? Mr. Calderon (w/ his base of wealthy, tax-evading Mexican businessmen and his allegedly tax-evading brother-in-law) or the tax law-enforcing Mr. Lopez Obrador? The evidence seems to be quite clear...