Palestinians do not get to choose Israel's leaders, nor should Israel impose its choice of government upon the Palestinian people. Violence or not, Haniyeh is a representative of those people. Sanctioning the violence unleashed by established powers while condemning the acts taken by the oppressed will not resolve the root causes.
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Israel has killed 1,109 civilians, Hizbollah killed 43 Israel civilians.
Israel is occupying Arab lands in violation of the UN resolutions. when the Palestinians fight for their land they are called Terrorists. i wonder the definition of a terrorist changes according to the needs of the west, Al-Qaida was not a terrorist organization when it was fighting the soviet & India, they were called freedom fighters, they even got financial & military support from the west through Pakistan. when Al-Qaida started attacking west they suddenly became terrorists.
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Many apologies Saul, I incorrectly called you Sean. The proud O'Malley name (or earlier Nordic stock no doubt) threw me.
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Dear Sean, best wishes to you too friend and brother.
I'll respond to your comments by sentence or paragraph:
"Israel should be a country for all its citizens at the same time all Islamic nations become a country for all its citizens."
Dear friend, you are creating a false symmetry here. Which of the Islamic nations you refer to is actually occupying another nation at the present time? Furthermore, why should Israel
"When Jews and Christians and anything inbetween can freely build their houses of worship taller than a mosque; are elected to serve in the legislature, and not be harmed or discriminated against because of faith Israel will become the utopia all two faced clowns desire it to be for the muslim bros."
Odd, you áppear to be proceeding from the assumption that Israel does not discriminate? Agan I would urge you to reflect on Israel's history of occupation, expansionist polilcies and ethnic cleansing. Israel for all its democratic trappings, doses in fact discriminate against its non-Jewish citizens and even agaist its Oriental Jewsih citizens. I don't see how any pf this will change if all the so-called Islamic states suddenly democratise? By the way, Iranian Jews are not second class citizens in their country. The one and only Jewsih member of their theocratic governemnt even spoke out on the so-called "Holocaust" conference recently, without any negative repercussions. I agree that there is a lack of human rights, democracy and a whole host of problems in the region, but we shouldn't blindly exclude Israel from the equation. Israel is a very powerful actor after all, as the massacre in Lebanon demonstrated last summer. Furthermore its overwhelming support from messrs Bush and Blair at the time in thwarting a cease-fire confirmed this.
"Then of course there would no jewish nation but plently of catholic ,hindu and islamic countries. Until that time boyo,Israel is jewish and should remain jewish. Israel was established by vote of the same body which muslims refuse to recognize, but yet demand Israel comply with. Thats lardoons ."
Sean, again the problme here is the nature of Israel as an occupying monoethnic state in somebody else's country (GOd ssounding like an Irishman now). You can't simply ignore this and hope it will go away sometime soon. Israel, after all the concessions Arab countries and the Plestinians have made over the decades, has to once and for all begin adherieng to international law and return to the 67 borders and symbolically at least recognise the rights of Palestinians as a serous point of departure for peace (Taba could have worked on this premise). Since you don't contextualise disregard for international norms on the part of the Arab nations, I can't comment, suffice to say that, yes, Arab nations should also comply to intrnational law. I am also critical of the way that some nations have adopted the Palestinian cause sinply fo their own political ends (Jordan, for example). However, Israel knows it can get away with pretty much anything just so long as it has the support of Western nations (US and EU). I also agree that that support could cease. At present though it is more partisan than at any time in recent history.
"Now if you wish to discuss the fallacy of creating Iraq,Syria, Lebanon,out of the British mandate a few years earlier than 1948, we could meet at the Collins & Rose in Kerry, or your mamas's house in south Belfast, whichever you prefer. I am now off for a Bushmills."
That would be grand. Provided too that your prepared to go the whole mile and admit the significant problems borne out of the Zionist project which have to be seriously addressed too.
May 13, 2007 11:31 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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Mohamed my bro, I do not believe I have Anti-muslim prejudice. Some of my best friends are-----.I am just tired of the Muslims,in general, and Arabs, in specfic,blaming Israel for everything that has gone wrong in the middle east, including 9/11, pimples and the common cold. My general understanding of a hudna is that it is offered to a non-muslim enemy. It does not even rise to the level of a truce. However, I might have accepted it, except for the fact, the Islamic brigades, Fatahs armed wing, and Hamas goofs, did not buy into the hudna and kept slamming rockets into Israeli towns. See, this is where the finger pointing starts. It does not help and that is why a pint or two is good for me. I wish you well. Pace and saalam (spelling).
May 13, 2007 1:04 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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Saul O'Malley,
It is quite evident that you have invested too much effort cultivating your anti-Muslim prejudice to pause and reconsider.
Ismael Haniyeh offered a hudna, with his Senior Adviser writing in the columns of WAPO, if I recall well (if not, in NYT) to take the whole world as witness. That was followed by months of suspension of ANY attack whatsoever against Israel.
How did the Israeli authorities respond? By continuing to conduct raids inside Palestinian territories, including taking a child as shield. All this is fully documented.
Yes, I'll acknowledge that, at some point the Palestinians retaliated. I'll go further to say that maybe (but only MAYBE) the Hamas high command knew about the retaliatory strikes in advance and turned a blind eye, because they felt that Israel has breached the trust several times after the offer of the hudna. In Game Theory, this would be the optimal response, to make Israel understand clearly that they CANNOT get away with unlimited oppression just because of their superior military prowess.
I am ready to agree that, cornered by the Winograd report, Olmert could not accept the offer of the hudna with equanimity, otherwise he would be accused of selling Israel out to those who had just been part of a war that turned out to be catastrophic for Israel.
But, Olmert has to sorrt out his internal problems inthe sdame adult way that the Hamas high command is sorting out its own by cracking down on the Palestinian hardliners.
If you really are a man of peace, you will understand that the offer of the hudna still holds. It is up to the Israelis (whether under Olmert or anyone else of the Israeli people's choice) to make the most of the offer so that both Israelis (as a Muslim, I even put them first) and Palestinians can live in peace and dignity.
Shalom!
May 12, 2007 2:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Michael,me ulster cousin a pint is well received before, during, and after, anything.Israel should be a country for all its citizens at the same time all Islamic nations become a country for all its citizens. When Jews and Christians and anything inbetween can freely build their houses of worship taller than a mosque; are elected to serve in the legislature, and not be harmed or discriminated against because of faith Israel will become the utopia all two faced clowns desire it to be for the muslim bros. Then of course there would no jewish nation but plently of catholic ,hindu and islamic countries. Until that time boyo,Israel is jewish and should remain jewish. Israel was established by vote of the same body which muslims refuse to recognize, but yet demand Israel comply with. Thats lardoons . Now if you wish to discuss the fallacy of creating Iraq,Syria, Lebanon,out of the British mandate a few years earlier than 1948, we could meet at the Collins & Rose in Kerry, or your mamas's house in south Belfast, whichever you prefer. I am now off for a Bushmills.
May 12, 2007 2:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Dear Sean, are you a real Irishman or did your grandfather have a pint of Guiness in Dublin before ye were born?
All that aside, the issue of rights to the land are a rhetorical diversion. No one is in dispute that Jews indigenous to Palestine have a right to live there. If we remember the roots of the conflict begin in the Zionist project of setting up a monoethnic state in the land of Historical Palestine. WHat this entailed was essentially an ethnic cleansing of Palestine of all of its non-Jewish population. The British, despite the false notion that they were interested in creating a "fair" partition, were loyal to the Zionist project, much to the detriment of Palestinian statehood. The Yishuv, unlike the Palestinian national movement, were given transitory rights that were facilitate the establilshment of a Jewsih state in Palestine. The same rights were NOT accrued Palestinians (youonly have to read British archival evidence from the period). Ben Gurion realised that the only way one could set up a pure Jewish state would be through cleansing the land of its indigenous population, which his military forces proceeded to do. The historical evidence is quite abundant (read Morris, Shlaim, Pappe et al). Now, when one talks about "rights" to the land, this does not mean that European Jews have automatic rights to the land over and above the indigenous population (Palestinains and indigenous Jews alike). According to international law, the Palestinians have inalienable rights to their country, but since 67 this has been reduced to the Occupied territories. This is also in part due to teh fact that Palestinians have made concessions on the land. So when one opines that Israel has agreed to a two state solution - which is another rhetorical distorion - it has to be seen in the above context. Unfortunately the assumption is that Israel automatically has more rights than the Palestinians and it follows, according to such narrow logic, that they make the greatest concessions. Personally I am one of thos who believes that Israel should become a country for all its citizens, Palestinians and Israeli Jews alike.
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Mohamed : I am a well informed guy. My point is simply this: Jews have as much right to the land as Muslims, if not more, depending on whose holy book you are reading. The Dome of the Rock is Islam's third holiest site. The Temple Mount is Judisim's first. There are 1.2 billion Muslims living in, primarily Islamic nations. There are roughly 14 million Jews,of about 6 million live in Israel.It is a Jewish nation and desires to remain so. Simply put Arab Muslims, and others, wish to kill, deport, or otherwise dispurse the Jews. The Jews do not wish this to happen. We can argue to dooms day as to who has a better claim,Or is "bader" than the other. It won't help . Muslims need to stop wanting to eliminate Israel. Both sides need to talk. If they do not we will always have finger pointing and you and I can start our own forum 50 years from now. Back to me pint laddies.
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Posted on May 11, 2007 23:02
23 years ago, I asked a friend, 'the conflict in N. Ireland is religious, isn't it?' Like a trial attorney, don't ask a question unless you already know the answer. 'My brother is a priest in Ireland involved in negotiations...this war is about equality, land, and justice, it has nothing to do with faith.' I was stunned, but that is the hard reality of war, as a catholic, to support the IRA...and come to realize, battles were fought with catholic and protestant on both sides against each other. Ulster has been enlightened to the realization that after 800 years of bloodshead, it is better to come to peace, if only for economic prosperity and justice.
There is dialogue between Israel and the Arab League...however, the talk falls on deaf ears. 'Why should we claim your right to exist when you deny ours?'
May 11, 2007 9:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 11, 2007 21:46
Those who believe that Israel doesn't target civilians are gullible at best. Israel and the United States are the great masters of innovative forms of brutality in the Western world. From beatings that have resulted in death to Palestinian prisoners to notorious torture facilities in occupied south Lebanon to obscene forms of degradation such as forcing prisoners to wear urine-soaked sacks over their heads, the many of the dictators of the world ain't got nuttin' on Israel. Furthermore, the percentage of civilians among Palestinian and Israeli dead is comparable, and the percentage of children among the Palestinian dead is higher than that among Israeli dead. Why? Physicians for Human Rights (or it may have been another, similar human rights group, perhaps MSF) did a statistical analysis of the types of gunshot wounds that Palestinian children have received. Accidental/inadvertant gunfire would result in statistically predictable percentages of the different sorts of gunshot wounds (head wounds, chest wounds, etc.). It was found that the percentage of head wounds and paralyzing wounds was dramatically higher than would be expected if the wounds were accidental. More evidence for all you Arab-haters of their targeting of civilians to this day. The list of massacres of Palestinians and Lebanese and any Arab the Israelis can get their hands on to abuse or kill, is long, brutal, and growing. You can deny it if you wish, but you only betray the depth of your contempt and hatred for those you have identified as the "other."
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Posted on May 11, 2007 17:19
Dispersing cluster bombs from the air onto Southern Lebanon where they now number in the thousands and constitute a fatal danger to any passerbys is the epitome and definition of terrorism. Cluster bombs were not used against the Lebanese army or the guerrilla group, Hizbollah, they were used in Lebanese villages and civilian areas contrary to the Geneva convention and US law, an important point because Israel bought these US made Cluster bombs with our own money. A US State Dept investigation found that Israel did violate US law by using cluster bombs in civilian areas in South Lebanon. That makes Israel's actions terrorism because they explicitly target civilians just as it makes Israel's seige of Palestinian territories as well as confiscation of Palestinian lands a collective form of population terrorism. Saddest of all, that makes me, as an American, complicit in this New Age Apartheid regime, to which the world remains a silent witness. Read Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid and you will get the picture. Written by Jimmy Carter, a Nobel laureate, a former president, a mediator of peace, a man of truth.
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Posted on May 11, 2007 17:00
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I wish to beleive that you are a relatively well-informed guy, and I hope that I am correct.
Then you know full well (don't you?) that those same Western Imperialists whose European governments and societies had long victimized the Western Jews living in their midst whilst those Eastern Jews who lived in Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, India, Pakistan were often given even preferential treatment compared to native citizens, had, to ease off their inescapable sense of guilt, sought to establish a homeland for the Jews in five different occupied countries --- Jamaica, Uganda, Madagascar and two others. Ben Gurion insisted on Palestine, the land where Arab.Palestinians/Hittites had always lived, even before Abraham's time.
I hail from mauritius, a small Island east of Madagascar. And I often tell obsessive apologists for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians and for the imperialists that, had the Zionists accpted the proposal of a homeland for the Jews in Madagascar, we Mauritians would be in the same situation as the Lebanese find themselves today.
In case you did not know what I assumed you knew, you can check it out in Wikipedia (maybe it's there) or else in the first "Book of Lists" by Arthur Miller. Look it up in Amazon.com. It used to be a best-seller.
May 11, 2007 1:45 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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"Suicide bombs and home-made rockets are criminal arsenals unimaginable to the sensibilities of the societies that celebrate Hiroshima and Nagasaki as acts of victory against evil. There will be no solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict – ever – if this kind of upper-brow hypocrisy continues to rule the day."
No one celebrated Hiroshima and Nagasaki. People celebrated the end of a war that had taken millions upon millions of lives. Whatever else is said about Fat Man and Little Boy, they ensured that World War Two would immediately end. As compared to the alternatives, their use was a defensible, if highly debatable, choice.
Suicide bombs and home-made rockets, on the other hand, only perpetuate the cycle of violence between Palestine and Israel. They only incite more violence, in what is already a seemingly endless conflict, and without regard to their overall futility.
There is no hypocrisy here, high-brow or otherwise. So can we have an end to the Israeli-Palestine conflict? Of course not. The problem is not Western arrogance or the Israeli military. The problem is the sizable contingent of Palestine that hates Israel. Without reserve, and without any sign of abatement.
What good could come from formal discussions with such people, or with their government? Democratically elected or otherwise? Despite South Africa's apparent opinion to the contrary?
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Posted on May 11, 2007 13:09
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May 11, 2007 9:28 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 11, 2007 09:28
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May 11, 2007 12:29 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 11, 2007 00:29
Now me boyos tell me what land is occupied by Israel. I'm a little confused. Why is Israel a terrorist nation ? Have they blown up Pizza parlours full of kids, or folks at prayer ? Who have they evicted ? Oh,for the days of the black and tans ! We showed them. I see A Jewish state, just like states for 1+ bill. muslims exist;or The Church of England and Scotland; or Catholic Spain Or Saints above,Ireland ! And Hindu India and Buddist Thailand! I think a Jewish state is cool ! Now me deep thinkers maybe its just time for the Palestinian turn in the barrel.The Jews have been put there for 3000 years by our Christian bros.Well back to me pint. Israel is not so bad. They learned Stuff from Christians and Muslims, right me buckos ?
May 11, 2007 12:11 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 11, 2007 00:11
From the mixed reaction - in the comments we can say it is possible to express our opinion without fear or favour in a democracy. Period.
Alas! The reality is the much-touted democracy; liberty and rule of law are window dressings found in abundance in the West to outmanoeuvre your opponent or opposing state.
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Americans have commandeered the centre stage and dictate to the rest of the world of how to live and behave. That is the current situation.
But how long can Al Capone(s) from Washington and their sidekicks, the Criminal Syndicate in Tel Aviv threaten and bully the rest of the world?
Till the green back remains a powerful instrument.
The days are numbered for American economic dominance. America and its client state Israel that had earned the wrath of the world will become a mere historical past. That is the truth. Shalom.
May 10, 2007 11:41 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 23:41
From the mixed reaction - in the comments we can say it is possible to express our opinion without fear or favour in a democracy. Period.
Alas! The reality is the much-touted democracy; liberty and rule of law are window dressings found in abundance in the West to outmanoeuvre your opponent or opposing state.
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Americans have commandeered the centre stage and dictate to the rest of the world of how to live and behave. That is the current situation.
But how long the can Al Capone(s) from Washington and their sidekicks, the Criminal Syndicate in Tel Aviv threaten and bully the rest of the world?
Till the green back remains a powerful instrument.
The days are numbered for American economic dominance. America and its client state Israel that had earned the wrath of the world will become a mere historical past. That is the truth. Shalom.
May 10, 2007 11:29 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 23:29
From the mixed reaction - in the comments we can say it is possible to express our opinion without fear or favour in a democracy. Period.
Alas! The reality is the much-touted democracy; liberty and rule of law are window dressings found in abundance in the West to outmanoeuvre your opponent or opposing state.
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But how long the can Al Capone(s) from Washington and their sidekicks, the Criminal Syndicate in Tel Aviv threaten and bully the rest of the world?
Till the green back remains a powerful instrument.
The days are numbered for American economic dominance. America and its client state Israel that had earned the wrath of the world will become a mere historical past. That is the truth. Shalom.
May 10, 2007 11:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 23:28
Saed,
I want to answer your question.
What would happen if ..., you asked.
But, my good friend, they did worse than the most misguided Palestinian would do --- they over-reacted in the most vicious way to the seizing of an IDF soldier, Shalit.
What then happened, we all know.
In case you don't, read Haa'retz or, better, the Winograd report.
Shalom. Wassalaam.
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Posted on May 10, 2007 22:40
I only have one question: Have you ever thought about what would happen if Israel's military adopted the same policy towards Palestinian civilians as Palestinian militias have towards Israel civilians?
With three divisions and within three weeks the conflict would be over.
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Posted on May 10, 2007 22:00
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Posted on May 10, 2007 21:33
Israel was granted title to the promised land in 1948, to the horror of some and the jubilation of others. The conflict is in its infancy, historically, yet extremely violent. Why should an invitation to S. Africa upset anyone? A delegation recently returned from N. Ireland that looked at similarities of the peace process there. At present there are 400,000 peoples in settlements in post 1967 territories, how many are in refugee camps from 1948? Israel and members of the Arab League are in dialogue dealing with these issues. If compromise can be reached in N. Ireland, why can it not happen in the Middle East?
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Posted on May 10, 2007 20:56
Thank you Lamis Andoni, well said...
BTW.. Talibans were invited to a TX ranch to talk about gas pipeline, its only after they refused, we invaded them..
May 10, 2007 8:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 20:52
Thank you !
I am an American citizen, and I pay my taxes, but if I said what you just said, I would lose my job and all chances of prefernce to any learned profession. I thought this was the land of freedom, and I have to disguise my name, as I write this. Naturally, I am a Muslim and Asian, therefore guilty while brown. I wonder how my cousins felt while the Gestapo watched them?
May 10, 2007 8:36 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 20:36
WAPO rushes in a minefield of moral ambiguity by even asking the second part of the Question: "...or Reward for Terrorism?".
Originally hailing from India, I have asked the Ministry of External Affairs of my country of current citizenship, Mauritius, to also invite Ismael Haniyeh to visit Mauritius. Of course they are likely to throw my letter in the wastepaper basket, considering that mine was one of a rare few developing countries that sided with the US, Japan and Canada in still backing Wolfowitz.
But, I am proud to say that my immediate family has been at the receiving end of the worst instincts of the apartheid regime when my family was in South Africa from 1991 to 2006, whilst my grand-mother on my mother's side had to leave har birthplace in Natal, South Africa, to settle in Mauritius in the early 1900's because of the vicious brutality of the apartheid regime.
The Honourable Ronnie Kasrils, Minister of Foreign Affairs of South Africa, himself a devout and supremely honourable Jew, was the prime promoter of the generous and courageous gesture to extend to Ismael Haniyeh the invitation to visit South Africa. The late first post-apartheid Chief Justice of South Africa, Ismael Mohammad, would have been immensely proud of Ronnie Kasrils and would welcome him to their unequalled Hal of Fame, to stand tall in the company of towering sorely-missed historical figures such as Steve Biko, Maulana Haroon, Abubakar Asvat, Elizabeth Ruth, Ahmad Cachalia and the still-living Nelson Mandela, George Bizos, Desmond Tutu, Ahmad Kathrada and so many more that it fills the heart with so much pride at the mere evocation of their names, it seems that my heart is about to burst.
Yes, at an equal level with the epic morality play of the fight against apartheid, the struggle for Plestinian dignity is one of the most exalted venture embarked upon by the people of good wil in this world. Ismael Haniyeh will, in due time take his well-earned place alongside the icons in this unequalled Hall of Fame.
May 10, 2007 6:38 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 18:38
by the purpose. Killing to stop genocide v killing to steal somebody's stuff. Killing to protect your country v. killing to destroy another.
While Israel has engaged in much immoral conduct to compare protecting their nation against people who want to annihilate them v. those who simply want to wipe them out displays a profound lack of sophistication and in fact, an immoral sensibility.
J.S.
May 10, 2007 6:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 18:03
Colorado Koolaid, why are you so quick to categorize and judge a group of pple? And who says you have proper claims on the 'truth'? At the very least, Ms. Andoni is making an effort at dialogue instead of judging or categorizing non-muslims and non-arabs, unlike yourself. perhaps you should enroll in a 'truth'-seeking course, as if you have a monopoly on the 'truth' and a billion others are automatically precluded based your national-origin and faith based (as well as unconstitutional if you're a government agent) profiling. you should re-read the the u.s. constitution, the words, 'all men are created equal' will spring to mind, without an addendum such as 'excluding arabs and muslims' and their access to the truth. thank you.
May 10, 2007 5:53 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 17:53
I echo Anonymous's comments 100%. It is far too easy to use the "double standard" rhetoric. Hamas targets innocent civilians. Israel targets those bombers and their infrastructure. To analogize the two is blatantly disingenuous. Also, Israel does not, as the writer would have us believe, seek the "destruction of Palestine." But, as Anonymous said, Palestine seeks the destruction of Israel. Doha's rhetoric does nothing to alleviate the perception of Al Jazeera as anything but the public face of cowardly terrorist organizations.
Finally, the idea that Israel and apartheid South Africa are anything alike has been rejected, not least in the backlash against Jimmy Carter's book title. Nelson Mandela and George Washington fought oppressive governments that were trying to deny independence altogether. Israel is open to a two-state solution. Mandela and Washington attacked governments. Palestinian terrorists attack civilians. And, of course, let's not forget the trajectory of human history that led to the reclaiming of Israel for the Jews and the role of the Arab nations in the creation of an adjacent Palestine.
May 10, 2007 5:16 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 17:16
As far as the British concerned, George Washington was a terrorist engaged in acts of terrorism. Of course the American revolutionaries didn't see themselves as terrorists.
May 10, 2007 3:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 15:44
Lamis Andoni,
Excellent post! Nothing more needs to be said.
May 10, 2007 3:18 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 15:18
I don't know how Geo Washington would be a terrorist. He fought like a soldier. He wasn't a cowardly sneak attacker of the innocents. Period. Author failed to explain how Mandela was a terrorist.
May 10, 2007 2:33 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 14:33
I certainly do distinguish between clusterbombs and suicide bombs. One has a very legitimate purpose in war time against an opposing army. The other has apparently has no purpose but to kill and maim civilians. If you are accusing Israel of using those highly destructive military weapons against civilians I assume you are referring to last summer's war in Lebanon. It is true that civilians died at the hands of these weapons. It is also true that Hizbollah made using human shields a standard tactic. That Mz. Andoni is a war crime. If civilians are killed when a military force is hiding amongst them. The force using them as human shields is committing the war crime and not the attacking force. Feel free to look it up.
I do not want to try and say that the Israelis are fair and just in their treatment of Palestinians for they are commonly very brutal. My question to you is what would you have them do? They can not simply be nice and expect a cessation of brutal attacks against innocent Israelis. Palestinian children are raised to hold martyrdom (sacrificing yourself to tear apart the bodies of as many innocents as possible) in the highest regard. What you do not commonly see in western media is the emotional appeals for self martyrdom coming from Palestinian grade school children. We hear about Israeli abuses against Palestinians and Palestinian suicide bombings in Israel, but we hear little of the general enthusiasm for the attacks against Israel in your part of the world. We heard little of the quiet approval for what happened on 9/11/2001. We now hear more as more people translate from Arabic to English.
You speak of double standards while Al Jazeera propagates the most atrocious double standard in major journalism. The Palestinians already have a bias in their favor in western media save Fox News perhaps. I have moved from a willingness and a wanting to side on behalf of the Palestinians and the Arab world in general to a much more cynical attitude regarding the conflict. I cannot fault the Israelis for trying to protect their own people and the state of Israel is not going anywhere. They have a neighboring government whose goal is the destruction of Israel. This is an undeniable problem. I also cannot fault governments for denying funds to an entity that vows to destroy another state. The Palestinian people can indeed choose their government, but my tax dollars do not need to go to a terrorist organization. I do not wish to penalize the Palestinian people and that certainly is what the aid embargo is doing, but until the Palestinain people are capable of choosing a path towards peace I do not feel obligated to support their government.
May 10, 2007 12:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 12:24
Most of the early Israeli leaders were terrorists against the British Begin, Dayan, Shamir, et al.
May 10, 2007 11:51 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 11:51
Maybe SA can invite the leaders of the Taleban an Al-Qaida to talk as well. At least their leaders talk about conversion and not genocide of their enemies.
This is from the last few weeks
"Sheik Ahmad Bahr, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, declared during a Friday sermon at a Sudan mosque that America and Israel will be annihilated and called upon Allah to kill Jews and Americans "to the very Last One."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YkgSLrCdXU
May 10, 2007 11:22 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 11:22
So what is your point? America's first president George Wahsington was a terrorist in the eyes of the British Empire. You know what, shcool text books in America do not portray George Washington as a terrorist but a true American patriot. History is written by victor, and the Brits lost!
May 10, 2007 11:21 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 11:21
Nice article: thought provoking .
But did you not know that "might is right".
Is this not the verdict of History.
May 10, 2007 10:58 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 10, 2007 10:58