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how should i comment this one?
well, i think this one hits the point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QoA44c23A

I believe that most of chinese are kind to the whole world.We love peace and truth.We ought to say sorry to the victims,but we are trying to reform to be a new and more democratic country.Please trust us!

To Zhang Wei:

Unfortunately the grandson of Ghiasuddin Ghazi nee Ganga Dhar and son of Mobarak Ali named Nehru was the first PM of India thanks to the machinations of Archbishop of Canterbury's plant Edwina Mountbatten and British MI6 plant Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi who against the patriotic wishes of the Union Cabinet with Sardar Patel at the chief voice recogonized the violent occupation of Tibet by the Chinese lumpen elements led by the genocidal freak called Mao tse Tung. Today the world including the British pays for the mistakes of planting Nehru and Gandhi into the freedom movement of India. But the fact is you Chinese have no business in Tibet not Inner Mongolia nor Sinkiang, Get out. The forthcoming solar and lunar eclipse in July/August this year within 15 days of each other will be the begining of the end for the present lumpen govt in China and it's hegemony, let me also tell you that the bloody internicine war you are getting into will finish off your economy. You are the bloody chaps who killed the royal family in Nepal and planted that Xian thug Prachanda. This is in no way condones the occupation of the Americas and Australias by the Caucasian tribes from Europe after whole scale genocide.

And to come to solution both West and Chinese have to turn away from barbaric food which is the root cause of animist behaviour for If you eat a dog you behave like one without imbibing the good qualities since the moment the dog is killed it's whole body becomes toxic and you barbarians cook animals live and call it a delicacy, aren't you ashamed of your barbaric ways?

What can I say? The author is crazier than the Chinese communists, who had abandon the communism after realizing that it would never not work no matter how hard they tried. Parallel with Nazi? Where is the Third World War plan? Where is the death camp? FLG alleged that there is a death camp in North China and some Westerns went there but found nothing. I cannot help but thinking all these only existed in Mr. Liu’s imagination. No wonder the dark stare from his eyes.

What I can say?

The author is crazier than the Chinese communists, who had abandon the communism after realizing that it would never not work.

Today, no leader in their right mind would want to start a world war, because every major power has nukes, and nobody wants a doomsday scenario.

Oh I see.

You won some arguments with your Chinese friends. How nice.

1. was your "fluent" Chinese language to facilitate your argument with Chinese people?

2. you were only clever in picking stupid people to start your argument, of course you won everytime.

3. you won because not many Chinese know, understand how USA was ugly in the past and now.

Compiling what others have said， especially doing so selectively, doesn't lead to a consistent piece of article, not to say consistent opinions.

Wow, Mr. Liu is sounding an incredible alarm that the Beijing Olympic Games is somehow a prelude to the pending World War III pitting China against the West. I think he should just lighten up. It was this kind of extreme ideological and unbalanced thinking that drove the US into the disastrous Iraq War. While Mr. Liu pray for another Churchill and Roosevelt, I pray for all peace loving ordinary people in China. Their natural sense of pride and accomplishment for hosting the Olympic Games suddenly now becomes "brainwashed" action. Maybe in a future war instigated by Mr. Liu's western savior, these people will justifiably be part of the collateral damage, the same way as the ordinary Iraqis are being treated now.

Rymnd says:

"Bravo.

For the first time, we have an American confess they learn history from TV and movies."

American Observer replies:

I have studied Chinese history in depth from a wide range of sources, and I spent three years living in the People's Republic of China. I have won many arguments against many Chinese, and I learned one thing about the Chinese over and over again; when a Chinese is not clever enough to answer the questions or resist the arguments of an intelligent person, the Chinese tries to hides his defeat by telling the winner that the winner said something that he did not say. If you have nothing to say except to put words into my mouth, Rymnd, it is clear that I have won.

Bravo.

For the first time, we have an American confess they learn history from TV and movies.

Don't you think your media can or is very capable of manipulating pictures at a very different angles to sensationalise any news they choose to portrait.

This is the very reason why young Chinese are so angry about distorted media coverage about China.

At least we are right on this one. American are brainwashed by media sub-consciously.

TV =/ TRUTH. Got it.

if you check his other article, there is only 1 comment. For his next article, we should ignore him. We give him too much credit!

Rymnd2008 says:

"You must have had too much history lessons from hollywood movies."

American Observer replies:

Our history lessons come from watching all of those tanks chasing people in the streets of Beijing. Our history lessons come from watching you shoot missiles at Taiwan. Our history lessons come from watching your thugs beat up Korean protesters in the streets of Korea. Our history lessons come from watching the people of Tibet fight for their freedom, over and over again, only to get pounded to the ground by people like you, Rymnd. Those lessons are clear enough for us to learn and remember, and none of your whining or special pleading is going to make us forget what your thugs have forced us to learn.

Now, what some western people can do is to resort to branding people

- brainwashed
- secret agent
- stupid
- not living in the land of freedom
- not allowed to demo against Chinese government
- living in the west, go back to China
- blah blah blah.....

Oh yes, I must admit I am a brainwashed secret agent hiding from a dark corner.

Yes I was recruited by PLA from a poor village called Ah Gou in a remote mountain region, therefore, I know nothing about the outside world.

Does this fit into your preconception of doing things within China, isn't it? You must have had too much history lessons from hollywood movies.

Thmak says:

"Only the nonknowledgeables use vulgar language and empty words,like "fools", as their argument and rationale. "

American Observer replies:

Actually, I merely observed that you are a fool because you are a fool, Thmak; but I offered for more information and reasoning than that simple observation. I would add in passing, however, that only fools call other people 'smarty.'

Thmak says:

"....the separatists and the warlords will prevail. Al-Qaeda and the Sadrists and the Kurds will carve Iraq.....". So you realized what a human calamity USA has created in Iraq under the banners of democracy, human right, freedom of this and that."

American Observer replies:

No, I never conceded any such thing, Thmak. The real human calamity in Iraq was Saddam's endless wars against his neighbors and his massacres of his own people; and as an American I am proud that America ended those massacres and gave the people of Iraq the ability to build a future of their own.

To American Observer: Only the nonknowledgeables use vulgar language and empty words,like "fools", as their argument and rationale. "......the separatists and the warlords will prevail. Al-Qaeda and the Sadrists and the Kurds will carve Iraq.....". So you realized what a human calamity USA has created in Iraq under the banners of democracy, human right, freedom of this and that. That is why UN recognized Iraq to keep it intact even though UN does not support USA's occupation of Iraq. Like everyone before him, Malaki is one of the many "last hope" Iraqi presidents. He is a symbol of USA occupation which the Iraqis don't want. If the Iraqis support him, they will have an annual national day celebrating their new found freedom and democracy. What happens? I hope you understand.

I smell China trolls.

You know, the state-employed Chinese internet surfers who do nothing all day but troll Western websites and blogs, trying to pose as Americans or other Westerners, quashing criticism of China and Chinese policies.

I am not fooled. You can usually tell who they are because they often drop the "the" from in front of their nouns. A classic indicator of a non-native English writer.

Chinese government trolls... clever but so obvious once you're attuned to them. Really, one's ISP address should be displayed on blogs, so readers know (literally) where you're posting from.

No offence. But the current batch of Chinese leaders do not have the charisma of Mao or Hitler, so they are unlikely to lead China down the war path.

Unless China is provoked to the breaking point.

Thmak says:

"To Amercian Observer: Sometime it is better to be a fool than smart. Smart people like Hitler and Bush had done enormous human calamities."

American Observer replies:

Clever criminals like Mao and Hitler have always found legions of fools like you to carry ou their crimes. Fools like you shattered Germany for Hitler, and fools like you ate your children and beat your mothers to death for Chairman Mao. China has been tormented for centuries by fools like you, Thmak, and I feel sorry for the country.

Thmak says:

"So far US was not challanged because of its superpower/dictatorial status."

American Observer replies:

Actually, the world supports the Malaki government because the world knows that the Malaki government is Iraq's last hope for a unitary government. If America leaves Iraq, then the separatists and the warlords will prevail. Al-Qaeda and the Sadrists and the Kurds will carve Iraq into three parts -- or more than three parts -- and the name of 'Iraq' will join 'Yugoslavia' and the 'Austro-Hungarian Empire' on the list of states which once existed and will never exist again.

pappy:

"Lets hope the authors prediction of the coming colaspe of China is accurate and is realized quickly. With loss of stability in China maybe the multinationals will bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S., and with the resulting decrease in Chinese demand for oil the world markets will cool."

Such sinophobic wishful thinking adds nothing to intelligent discussions here. We should fear, not hope, for China (highly improbable) collapse. When a nuclear-armed state collapses into chaos, the result could be global nuclear catastrophe.

To American Observer: At the beginning it seems the USA Iraq invasion was smooth sailing. a unitary government was setup. But the Iraqi situation turns worse for USA and USA is not able to pacify the whole country. Words to divide the Iraq into different regions were spread out to test the international reaction. The reaction is negative since Iraq was recognised by UN as a whole just a while ago. I hope you understand smarty.

To Amercian Observer: Sometime it is better to be a fool than smart. Smart people like Hitler and Bush had done enormous human calamities. Smart people use sleigh of hand language to cover up their vicious mission. A fool doesn't have that capability. It seems at the surface that US has no hand in setting up the Iraqi government. You have to know that the present government was not there before US invasion and it was there after US invasion. You are reminded that US Iraq invasion was not approved by UN and was executed by US unilaterally under false pretenses. So far US was not challanged because of its superpower/dictatorial status. Which country dares to challange US except Bin Laden who has no country? To cover up its mission US requested UN to overlook the set up of the Iraqi government. UN is obliged but not fully committed, but just enough to prevent further political deterioration( As you know UN plays no major role in Iraq). But US imposed the form of the government and staff personnel qualification. Any persons US doesn't like are excluded or removed by behind the scene political techniques. Those approved by US are allowed to be voted by the public. On the surface, it seems that the Iraqis are running the government but it is the US imposed political system that the iraqi have to live with, whether they like it or not. Every Iraqis knows that US is funding and protecting the Iraqi government that US helped to set up. They didn't setup the Iraqi government themselves. The Iraqi government does the calling of the USA. That government dares not tell USA to get out of Iraq or functions as independent as Saddam. It is totally dependent on USA. So it is a USA government. Is it clear, smarty? What happens to any anniverary celebration of freedom and democracy in Iraq? I hope you understand smarty.

Michael Ladeen is also the pointman for the anti-Iran flow of blindly negative spam. Just a miserable mind and a confused soul in the middle of Lobby Central in Washington. Not exactly a scholar of sense or logic as commonly accepted.

Lets hope the authors prediction of the coming colaspe of China is accurate and is realized quickly. With loss of stability in China maybe the multinationals will bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S., and with the resulting decrease in Chinese demand for oil the world markets will cool.

"The Ugly Chinam*n."...."Chinam*n"..."Chinam*n!!!"

This self hating punk, sh*ting on his own people, wannabe white Westerner, trash author, should be beaten everyday, until beating him becomes as recognizable to him as affectionate attention--as though it was his mother's love. He should then be shot for sedition!

Fracking self-hating traitor!!!

The India government recognizes Tibet to be part of China.

too lazy to type, I just copied Micheal Liu's words, His comments is just exactly what I wanted to tell this China-Basher Liu!

Dear Mr Liu:

I am shock and apalled by your awfully harsh and biased assessment of China today. What you affectionately called "brainwashed angry youths" are actually not the only ones who are willing to support the current Chinese government. I am a Chinese-American, born and raised here, and I hold both an undergraduate and Masters degrees from two very liberal schools in the United States. But I must say that I find China's government doing a credible job so far in developing China, and bringing it into the 21st Century. How would you explain someone like myself, or many of my friends who are also overseas Chinese, and have open access to free information, and still support the Beijing government? Maybe you dont want to know about us because we completely contradict your assertions about China? Might I suggest that you examine your own assumptions, and try to open your mind. I think you may be the one "brainwashed" into assuming that if China does not follow everything "western", then it is doomed to failure. Such simplistic view, and I am shocked that you actually have the face to post such a ridiculous thing on the web. Keep complaining, but it does not matter one bit. China wll progress, and I will be enjoying the Games come August. I have my ticket ready, and plenty of money to spend in China, and no one will be able to spoil our party.

Sincerely yours,

Michael Lou
Milton, Massachusetts

I have one doubt about all these China business.

Did not God Almighty told his followers without mincing words that he will not tolerate any dissidence or questioning of his authority? The very same words Saddam Hussein must have utterd when he took over the reins of Iraq. Then why blame the Chinese if they are following God's own words. How then it is wrong if they put 39 blasphemist ( I mean in the political sense) in the dungeon.( I wonder why they stopped it at 39. There could not have been any dearth and they could have made it into a nice 100 ) God has also specifically told that till the fourth generation there will not be any reprieve. In the case of Chinese they have never threatened to imprison the progenies. The 39 dissidents can even get a parole. In fact they are much better than in God's terrtory.
So in fact, even though God has forbidden, we should make shrines for all the big wigs in China and burn incense and all. We should show our appreciation rather than these unending bashing.

Ayurveda says the food determines the mind. Unless China and the West give up their barbaric ways of eating they cannot get civilized nor acheive a higher plane. Ahimsa and Satvic food is the root to better living. The West is surely realizing it but will China the rogue "civilazation" since 1949 ever? Let it vacate Tibet first.

Ayurveda says the food determines the mind. Unless China and the West give up their barbaric ways of eating they cannot get civilized nor acheive a higher plane. Ahimsa and Satvic food is the root to better living. The West is surely realizing it but will China the rogue "civilazation" since 1949 ever? Let it vacate Tibet first.

Democracy is only benefitial at the lower hierachies of a civilization. Maybe someday China will do that. But as a civilization, China must be guided by the Confucian sage-kinghood, like Ganghdi's India.

I have no fantasies for democracy, US's or Taiwan's. No way a culture like that of the US can endure.

It is the limitted spans of life that makes us short-visioned. Seeing a few years by our times, yes, democratic nations are immpressive, but seeing merely a few decades more, as broad enough to include two world wars, the other side of democractic culture is obvious.

China the civilization is very imperfect, but has outlived even Egypt, and will surely outlive the west. One needs open and broad mind to put today's China in the right perspective.

I am of the opinion that Communism come and go, China stays.

Thmak says:

"The present Iraqi government was set up by USA after USA invasion and occupation not approved by UN or the majority of the world countries, not even by the Iraqi people like Sadar."

American Observer replies:

Thmak, you are either a fool or a liar. I have gone to the Encyclopedia Britannica online to prove this. I quote:

"The Governing Council that had been installed by the U.S. in July 2003 was dissolved, and in its place an interim administration was appointed with the task of preparing for general elections to be held by Jan. 30, 2005. UN Special Adviser Lakhdar Brahimi (see Biographies) selected Ghazi al-Yawar, a Sunni sheikh trained as an engineer, to be president and head of the interim administration. On June 8 the UN Security Council approved his appointment. "

Unquote.

If I may continue, quote:

"The first general elections to be held in Iraq following the U.S. occupation took place as scheduled on Jan. 30, 2005....

The vote produced a transitional National Assembly in which the Shi'ite religious parties won 51% of the seats, the Kurdish alliance claimed 27%, and the secular Shi'ite list led by Prime Minister Ayad Allawi took 14%. Only 16 of the 275 Assembly members elected were Sunni. On April 6 the new parliament elected Jalal Talabani, leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, as the new Iraqi president. Ibrahim al-Jaafari (see Biographies), head of the Islamic Da'wah Party, was chosen as prime minister. Jaafari was sworn in, along with the cabinet he selected, on May 3.

The main task of the transitional parliament was to write a permanent constitution for Iraq by mid-August. To this end a constitutional committee of 55 members was selected from the parliament. Since the majority of its members were either Shi'ites or Kurds, the Sunni protested that their representation was insufficient. To rectify this problem, some Sunni were added, but they were able to join the committee only after its work was well under way. The committee had difficulty meeting its schedule, but a draft was finally approved by the National Assembly, and it was submitted to a popular referendum on October 15.

The draft constitution was narrowly approved."

Unquote.

As you can clearly see, the Iraqi government has been elected by the people of Iraq and the Iraqi government has been recognized by the UN.

Thmak says:

"UN's recognition of the present Iraqi government is to prevent USA's attempt to divide up that country into different regions so that USA can more effectively control only one oil rich region which is of utmost important to its self interest."

American Observer says:

That is nonsense. America has no plan to 'divide up that country into different regions.' If we had such a plan, we would have done it long since. Furthermore, you would have to be an absolute idiot to claim that recognizing the government of Iraq kept us from dividing the country. After all, America supervised the elections which brought the government of Iraq to power, and it makes no sense to suggest that America helped Iraq elect a unitary government if America wanted to divide the country. Thmak, you are a complete fool.

Maybe Taiwanese democracy will work for China, not American democracy.

A doom sayer who lost touch with reality in China!

Jason Li says:

"On any discussion between Chinese and Westerners, as shown in the comments to this article, there is an underlying conflict that is cultural. The Chinese values based on confucianism and Taoism teachings simply are not compatible with western democratic liberalism."

American Observer replies:

Japanese, Taiwanese, and South Korean culture are also based on Confucianism and Taoism, Jason, but Democracy is clearly doing well in all three countries. Telegraphs and railroads are also Western ideas, Jason, and that is why the Boxer rebels burned them; but now the Chinese like railroads and the telephone just fine. Chinese culture will adjust to Democracy the same way.

Westerners should celebrate the return of China. Eventually, Confucianism and Daoism will sinofy the Communists just like the Mongols and Manchus. China will unite all under heaven into Confucian harmony and Daoist naturalism, and will finally help the west to resolve its spiritual crisis.

So, westerners, help China! Bashing is only destructive, and besides, one can't blow the Pyramid away by spitting at it obssessively!

By the way, most westerners like to forget, and most Chinese already forget: Communism is a western culture, it just took over China. In this sense, the west has already won (if just the first battle). The west should feel save. Bashing China's coummunism is arrogant for it assumes the universality of the wsetern world view, and is stupid for Chinese. Westerners should not pretend the western world is the world. To me, it has been getting more and more clear that China, the civilization and its people are the true force that is bringing China back to world centrality. It is at the most fundamental level a competittion of culture. Having lived in the west for years, I am convinced of China's cultural supperiority in long run, in fact, the longer the better for China. A bad time for China and its people now, but there was always a bad time between two dynasties. The fact that China gets so much bashing from the collected western world that is at this momment far stronger than China only reveals the magnitude and the profoundity of the return of the Middle Kingdom to the surface of the world.

By the way, most westerners like to forget, and most Chinese already forget: Communism is a western culture, it just took over China. In this sense, the west has already won (if just the first battle). The west should feel save. Bashing China's coummunism is arrogant for it assumes the universality of the wsetern world view, and is stupid for Chinese. Westerners should not pretend the western world is the world. To me, it has been getting more and more clear that China, the civilization and its people are the true force that is bringing China back to world centrality. It is at the most fundamental level a competittion of culture. Having lived in the west for years, I am convinced of China's cultural supperiority in long run, in fact, the longer the better for China. A bad time for China and its people now, but there was always a bad time between two dynasties. The fact that China gets so much bashing from the collected western world that is at this momment far stronger than China only reveals the magnitude and the profoundity of the return of the Middle Kingdom to the surface of the world.

I think democracy means first mediocrety, then vulgarity, as has been evident with the protest culture in the last month or so. Democracy is a short term thing, like Capitalism. China is the true eternal culture, up and down, and very imperfect, but we will perfect ourselves, to the end of all history.

To American Observer: What UN says is better than only one country dictatorially, like USA, says. The present Iraqi government was set up by USA after USA invasion and occupation not approved by UN or the majority of the world countries, not even by the Iraqi people like Sadar. The present Iraq government have no support among its people and cannot exist if there is no US force support. Therefore for its own existance, it invites US to stay. The same in Afganistan whether they like it or not, USA is going in. Who dares to prevent the superpower USA under its unilateral foreign policy and its preemptive strike policy. USSR tried that before. I hope you understand. UN's recognition of the present Iraqi government is to prevent USA's attempt to divide up that country into different regions so that USA can more effectively control only one oil rich region which is of utmost important to its self interest.. I hope you understand

What does that prove? Do you think the UN can say what is right and what is true, and do you accept the opinion of the UN? If so, let me remind you of a few things. As you know, the United Nations has recognized the government of Iraq, and American forces are in Iraq at the invitation of its government. Therefore, America is not at war with Iraq. The United Nations has also recognized the government of Afghanistan, and Nato forces are in Afghanistan at the invitation of its government. Therefore, America is not at war with Afghanistan. Thus, if you accept the UN's opinion, America is not at war with any nation. Or, are you saying that you accept the UN's opinion when it suits you, and you reject the UN's opinion when

On any discussion between Chinese and Westerners, as shown in the comments to this article, there is an underlying conflict that is cultural. The Chinese values based on confucianism and Taoism teachings simply are not compatible with western democratic liberalism. This is not unlike the current conflict between Islam and Christianality. This conflict is going to be the key conflict between China and the West even if/after China becomes a democracy. However, at the end of the day, capitalism trounces all and that is why China and the West will not head into an eventual war.

And for Western readers, Mr. Liu is a victim of the CCP. Although I feel for his suffering, I would like to point out that his opinions are extremely biased given his point of view.

Thmak wrote: "He is also "ignorant " of the fact that, despite 50 more years of continuous military, political and economical suppression by the western anti-China axis of evil countires, China has made tremendous progress politically, economically, militarily and socially. Instead of falling from grace, China gains the respect of the majority of the countries in the world and the jealousy of the few anti-China axis of evil countires. "

Standard rhetoric from those who think their government does no wrong. Let me ask you this... the tremendous progress economically... how do you think that happened? It was mainly due to the "anti-China axis of evil countries" investing in China.

I guess they're not so evil after all but thanks for playing.

Mike says:

"Let me just say that, if the Chinese had followed the American example of dealing with native peoples, then this "tibet problem" would not exist today. Capish? Look at your own ugly face before you complain about someone else."

---the commies have done much better,Forget native people, how about butchering yr own, no need to leave yr own borders. It is estimated that 20-30 million chinese died under foolish Chinese economic and "re-education" plans.
Those are numbers only Stalin could envy.

American Observer, nice job fact checking.

Mike says:

"Right, blame all unscrupulous trade practices on the government..."

American Observer replies:

The local officials tolerated and encouraged slavery because they were bribed to do so, Mike. Leaders who have to face election do not tolerate this kind of thing, not even for bribes, because a free press will discover this and their own people will turn them out of office. This is one of the many reasons that democracies are better than dictatorships.

Mike says:

"Let me just say that, if the Chinese had followed the American example of dealing with native peoples, then this "tibet problem" would not exist today. Capish? Look at your own ugly face before you complain about someone else."

American Observer says:

Mike, you don't know much history so I don't know if you will recognize these names, but back in the nineteen-thirties Eleanor Roosevelt was the wife of the president of the United States, and Winston Churchill was still a high British official. And Eleannor Roosevelt was concerned about human rights everywhere, and she was opposed to colonialism everywhere. And at that time India was still a colony of the British Empire. So one day Eleanor Roosevelt met Winston Churchill, and she gave him a long list of bad things that were happening to the Indians. And, at the end, Winston Churchil had a question. Winston Churchill said "When madame refers to 'The Indians,' does madame refer to the BROWN Indians of Asia, who continue to prosper under benevolent British rule? Or, does madame refer to the RED Indians of America, who are -- as I understand it -- now almost extinct?"

Well, the 'red Indians of America' are very far from being extinct -- in fact, the last census counted almost three million Native Americans living in the United States; but you should get the basic point. Whenever America tries to put sanctions on some dictator or aggressor, the dictator or aggressor always points to the 'red Indians' and says that no nation can cut off the money supply to a dictator or aggressor if that nation has anything wrong in its history. And of course, I disagree. Even if your charges were all true and even if all of your charges were ten times worse than you claim, America would still have an obligation to cut off trade when that trade allows foreign governments to murder foreign people.

Capish?

Mike says:

"harry wu (sic) is an opportunist who made that bogus organ harvest video that is now the laughing stock of all who knows about China. He has no credibility. Can you find a more credible person to bring up? I personally would not have allowed to to go overseas to spread his malicious lies, but he does make a good negative example of what a traitor looks like...all for a quick buck, and a green card.

American Observer says:

Actually, I have never seen any intelligent observer question Harry Wu's testimony. Instead, the only people who disagree have been supporters of the Chinese empire, like you.

Mike says:

"Tibet is FREE because of CHINA!!!!!get it?"

American Observer says:

Mike, if you have something to say, your arguments will probably impress people more if you use fewer exclamation points; and also, you should take care to capitalize the first letter of proper nouns, and the first letters of sentences. Just a bit of friendly advice...

Mike says:

"Right, blame all unscrupulous trade practices on the government..."

American Observer replies:

The local officials tolerated and encouraged slavery because they were bribed to do so, Mike. Leaders who have to face election do not tolerate this kind of thing, not even for bribes, because a free press will discover this and their own people will turn them out of office. This is one of the many reasons that democracies are better than dictatorships.

Mike says:

"Let me just say that, if the Chinese had followed the American example of dealing with native peoples, then this "tibet problem" would not exist today. Capish? Look at your own ugly face before you complain about someone else."

American Observer says:

Mike, you don't know much history so I don't know if you will recognize these names, but back in the nineteen-thirties Eleanor Roosevelt was the wife of the president of the United States, and Winston Churchill was still a high British official. And Eleannor Roosevelt was concerned about human rights everywhere, and she was opposed to colonialism everywhere. And at that time India was still a colony of the British Empire. So one day Eleanor Roosevelt met Winston Churchill, and she gave him a long list of bad things that were happening to the Indians. And, at the end, Eleanor Roosevelt said "When madame refers to 'The Indians,' does madame refer to the brown Indians of Asia, who continue to prosper under benevolent British rule? Or, does madame refer to the red Indians of America, who are -- as I understand it -- now almost extinct?"

Well, the 'red Indians of America' are very far from being extinct -- in fact, the last census counted almost three million Native Americans living in the United States; but you should get the basic point. Whenever America tries to put sanctions on some dictator or aggressor, the dictator or aggressor always points to the 'red Indians' and says that no nation can cut off the money supply to a dictator or aggressor if that nation has anything wrong in its history. And of course, I disagree. Even if your charges were all true and even if all of your charges were ten times worse than you claim, America would still have an obligation to cut off trade when that trade allows foreign governments to murder foreign people.

Capish?

Mike says:

"harry wu (sic) is an opportunist who made that bogus organ harvest video that is now the laughing stock of all who knows about China. He has no credibility. Can you find a more credible person to bring up? I personally would not have allowed to to go overseas to spread his malicious lies, but he does make a good negative example of what a traitor looks like...all for a quick buck, and a green card.

American Observer says:

Actually, I have never seen any intelligent observer question Harry Wu's testimony. Instead, the only people who disagree have been supporters of the Chinese empire, like you.

Mike says:

Tibet is FREE because of CHINA!!!!!get it?

American Observer says:

Mike, if you have something to say, your arguments will probably impress people more if you use fewer exclamation points; and also, you should take care to capitalize the first letter of proper nouns, and the first letters of sentences. Just a bit of friendly advice...

Japanese invasion of Manchuria occurred in 1931 and a full war with China broke out in 1937. So American government, according to AMERICAN OBSERVER, waited till 1941 to threat oil embargo against Japan. A very long delayed action by WEST is easily ignored by AMERICAN OBSERVER.

I understand that it is difficult for a person who bears grudges against past Beijing administrations to agree with anything achieved by the current Beijing administration. For your own peace, the best way is to visit China and find out the facts on your own instead relying on someone like Harry Wu.

"Thus Westerners in China are never enslaved to work in brick factories the way so many Chinese children have been forced"...

Right, blame all unscrupulous trade practices on the government...boy do you have a lot to lear.

"Westerners living in China are never tied to trees and violated with truncheons by the PLA the way Tibetan nuns have been violated"...

Let me just say that, if the Chinese had followed the American example of dealing with native peoples, then this "tibet problem" would not exist today. Capish? Look at your own ugly face before you complain about someone else. By the way, did you get that from the "free tibet" terrorist group (TIbetan Youth Congress)? They will be classified as a terrorist group very soon, and you will be a terrorist sympathizer.

"Westerners living in China are never thrown in prison and forced to work naked in tanneries the way Harry Wu was forced"...

harry wu is an opportunist who made that bogus organ harvest video that is now the laughing stock of all who knows about China. He has no credibility. Can you find a more credible person to bring up? I personally would not have allowed to to go overseas to spread his malicious lies, but he does make a good negative example of what a traitor looks like...all for a quick buck, and a green card.

Tibet is FREE because of CHINA!!!!!get it?

Peace says:

"Please don't be so ridiculously ignorant not to know that Tibet,East Turkestan,Inner Mongolia are recognised by UN and its member countries as part of China. By that China at present, unlike USA, has no military conflict with any countries. "

American Observer replies:

What does that prove? Do you think the UN can say what is right and what is true, and do you accept the opinion of the UN? If so, let me remind you of a few things. As you know, the United Nations has recognized the government of Iraq, and American forces are in Iraq at the invitation of its government. Therefore, America is not at war with Iraq. The United Nations has also recognized the government of Afghanistan, and Nato forces are in Afghanistan at the invitation of its government. Therefore, America is not at war with Afghanistan. Thus, if you accept the UN's opinion, America is not at war with any nation. Or, are you saying that you accept the UN's opinion when it suits you, and you reject the UN's opinion when it does not?

To American Obseerver: The Bush's Presidency was decided not by the majority of the popular vote (which is less than the 33% for Hitler. 33% can be considered the overwhelming majority vote in a democratic system. In USA, the Presidency is usually decided by a bit over 25 % of eligible voters), but by the Electoral College. Inspite of that, the Bush's Republican control of the Presidency, the Senate and the Congress gave the Bush administration the authoritarian power to take on a war path just like Hitler in sizing the German government administration to take on a war path. And the Bush administrtion says USA can only be 'strong' (only superpower on earth) with dictatorship (premptive strike, unilateral foreign policy); and just as the Nazis used violence against their opponents in Germany, Bush administration use violence ("you are witn me or against me", in depth electronic surveillance, terrorist act) to keep power. Finally, the Nazis attacked all of their neighbors, just as USA has a long history of violence against other nations, such as Korea, Cuba, Guatamana, Vietnam, China, etc. In fact USA is the only country in recent history in the world that waged more foreign wars than any country in the world and the only country that is presently engagerd in a foreign war. Please don't be so ridiculously ignorant not to know that Tibet,East Turkestan,Inner Mongolia are recognised by UN and its member countries as part of China. By that China at present, unlike USA, has no military conflict with any countries. I hope you understand.

"In 1927 the KMT ..."

Dude, whatever you say about KMT, You can't refute the fact that KMT became essentially a dictatorship before they fled to Taiwan and the dictatorship continued until 1996, not to mention the 228 incident.

KMT was weak and got weaker at the end of WW2. They were taken over by CCP, just like any other dynastic change in the Chinese history. If there's a force that's stronger than CCP, CCP will be toppled over, again, just another dynastic change. At present day, I am just not seeing it happening soon, regardless how the west is trying to consolidate the anti-China forces of Tibet Independence, Taiwan Independence, Xinjiang Independence, Fa Lun Gong, and whatever.

'Peace' says:

"Why not using oil embargo against Japan to limit its military expansion in China?"

American Observer says:

Actually, America did exactly that. When Japan invaded Vietnam, FDR threatened to put an embargo on Japan if Japan did not withdraw from Vietnam and China both. Without oil the Japanese Empire would have shut down, so the Japanese had only two choices -- withdraw from Vietnam and China, or find an alternative source of oil. The Japanese found an alternative source of oil by invading Indonesia, and the Japanese kept America from stopping their invasion of Indonesia by attacking Pearl Harbor.

As the Encyclopedia Britannica puts says, and I quote:

"Yet it was in the Pacific rather than the Atlantic that war came to the United States. When Japan joined the Axis powers of Germany and Italy, Roosevelt began to restrict exports to Japan of supplies essential to making war. Throughout 1941, Japan negotiated with the United States, seeking restoration of trade in those supplies, particularly petroleum products."

Peace says:

"But it's still shameless for any Westerner to claim that China was saved from Japan by the West."

That is not shameless, that is just the simple truth. If you want to hear something shameless, please listen to the CCP claim that the Chinese drove out the Japanese. In fact, the Japanese won every battle against the Chinese until the atomic bomb hit Hiroshima, and the Japanese would have stayed in China for decades or generations more if America had not defeated Japan. Indeed, the Japanese might have remained for another one hundred and eighty seven years, just like the Mongols did; and apologists for Chinese culture would now be describing the Japanese as another 'Chinese Dynasty' on a long list which goes back thousands of years.

Mic says:

"I have lived china for almost three years now and am quite happy with my stay!"

American Observer replies:

I am glad that you are happy, Mic. Nonetheless, I also spent three years living in China, and I never forgot that foreigners living in China enjoy a special rank which is very different from that ordinary Chinese. Thus Westerners in China are never enslaved to work in brick factories the way so many Chinese children have been forced; Westerners living in China are never tied to trees and violated with truncheons by the PLA the way Tibetan nuns have been violated; and Westerners living in China are never thrown in prison and forced to work naked in tanneries the way Harry Wu was forced. As long as you judge China by what you see within the bubble that the government has placed you, you will remain happy as clam, but you are still looking at a Potemkin village and telling people that you have seen reality.

Mic says:

"The Chinese citizens are aware of problems in the own land just as any one else is aware of problems on their own soil."

American Observer replies:

No, they are not aware, and the Chinese government keeps them from being aware by censoring the news. That is why international press organizations keep getting in trouble in China.