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Hossein Derakhshan

Canada/Iran

Iranian-born Hossein "Hoder" Derakhshan is a blogger, journalist, and internet activist. Since 2001, he has been based out of Toronto, Canada, running his award-winning weblog, Editor: Myself, which has been among the most influential blogs in the Persian language. Close.

Hossein Derakhshan

Canada/Iran

Iranian-born Hossein "Hoder" Derakhshan is a blogger, journalist, and internet activist. more »

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I'd Take Khamenei Over Bush

If the U.S. waged a war against it, I'd absolutely go back and defend Iran.

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BadMullah:

What makes the American society far better than what we have in Iran is the freedom of speech (That does not apply to everything though). and here we have someone who says go back to where you come from because you are practising it.
As far as I am concerned he is another Mullah who has been born in states and has not got a turban on his head .Otherwise he belong in Qom the capital of Mullahs
Secondly as for the nuclear technology, what gives USA the right who can have Nuclear Tech and who can’t. After all Nuclear Technology against mankind has been practised only once and we all know by whom.

An Iranian (CTG AKA BadMullah)

Hamid Dabi:

to Anne,

I completely agree with you about Drakhshan's double standards, and the fact that the government that he is supporting is actually the number one enemy of Iranian intellectuals.

But also please note that it is the swamp that stinks, not desert.

Anne:

Hossein-

Why wait ? Go back to your glorious paradise, Iran, right now. Oh wait........as an atheist and apostate, you'd likely be beheaded. With opinions like yours, you do not belong in the United States, or Canada, or any other western country that has opened it hearts and wallets for immigrants from stinking desert hellholes like you.

Sara:

Dear Erinther,

I agree that hoder is messed up in the way he thinks and I have difficulty in categorizing him. I think he is either too high and with no ability of analyzing some stuff that is going on in Iran, or there is some other problem I don't know.

But in this particular case, he has a point, and it seems that people are miss understanding the point.
I would like to read Nabavi's article if you provide me with the link.

Thanks

reza:

this man is a cheap and comic foil of so many Iranian students who are fighting for the right to raise their voice and share the beauty of living in peace and security without any tension.
What this fake so called journalist whose writings can't even match those of the tenth rate Iranian writers is trying to mislead his readers. His father and uncle are members of "Motalefe" faction, a strong fundamental group supporting the supreme leader and the provider of mercineries for the ayatollas before and after the revolution. Now if he pretends to be a dissident, we secular dissidents should kill ourselves. People of this kind provide support for maniacs like Ahmadinejad.

Dave!:

Iranian Woman,
"uneducated people stuck in the "middle-age" and living in the heart of the axis of evil". Maybe us arrogant and dumb westerners think this because of your fascination and obsession with Israel. Whenever there is someone that points out something with Iran, the response typically is "yeah, well, Israel is worse". Perhaps if you could come up with a better analysis than "Israel is the problem", you could teach us something new.

Iranian woman:

Oh my god, Pedram and others!
It's just absolutely incredible and sending one nothing but shivers down ones spine when reading lots of comments here.
So all this crap, double-standard and hypocritical thinking is the intellectual result of the western and US- education free from propagandistic aims and thinking. And that's why these people feel so well informed? Sorry, but that's just a form of utter arrogancy, characteristic for the dumb, and in full contrast to us uneducated people stuck in the "middle-age" and living in the heart of the axis of evil.
And such "educated and informed" people ruled by lunatic and criminal Governments such as the Bush-and-Cheney-gang want to teach and bring the "rest of the world" and us democracy, freedom and peace by applying and wanting to repeat the same model as they already did in Iraq? Based all on lies and nothing else. Not to talk about the Olmert-gang! Who has signed the NPT-treaty and who never did? Who the hell really HAS nuclear weapons??? But that's just rhetoric questions, because everybody knows the facts. Who (again) has bombed Lebanon into dust on the pretence of nothing but "selfdefence"? Who there has used prohibited bombs, delivered by the USA? Who is permanently ignoring the Geneva conventions? Who permanently is ignoring UN-resolutions? And so on and forth.

IT'S JUST SICKENING! They'd better care for first about their own mess, including internal and huge social problems.

And by the way:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/#48398

pedram:

“US Ambassador John Bolton said there was no moral equivalence between the civilian casualties from the Israeli raids in Lebanon and those killed in Israel from malicious terrorist acts”.
Do you really think there are lots of poor people and poor countries because of dictators?
Have you been into Saudi Arabia? or UAE?
Have you read the confession of an economic hit man?

Do you really believe that unjustified illegal war on Afghanistan and Iraq, the death of more than 150 000 people has helped the security of Americans?!!
I suggest you read some of Ben Ladans speech and think about its similarity with what Gorge W says.
Excuse the language but this says it all:
War for peace, is like F***ing for virginity

German Voice:

PAEDRAM, you're wrong! Nobody in America is thinking that it is okay that innocent people get killed! And it doesn't matter who they are! The real big problem in the world is, is that 45.000.000 (45 million) people around the world die each year because of hunger! The reasons are socialism, dictatorships, and fanatic terrorists! All these things need to be solved first before America is able to help these poor peoples! That's it!

The difference between Democrats and Republicans is, is that Democrats are talking much, but always running away from the problems while Republicans usually solve these problems. Well, problem solvers need to do unpopular things sometimes! That's why Democrats are just talking about problems without solving them! They do care more about what the mainstream media are talking about them! Of course, not every politician is a good one, but the most Republicans are! The Democrats have also some good politicians, but they don't have the support of the majority of their party, because they are not as far left as the majority of the Democrats.

The most richest politicians in America are Democrats (not Republicans) and they do not really care how many people die in Iraq or elsewhere! They just want to make money and they do not care who the business partner is! That's why we have so many poor people around the world!

George W. Bush is doing what many former presidents haven't done before! He makes the world a better place because he's fighting these fanatic terrorists who are not good muslims! It's not George W. Bush his fault that these terrorists are attacking the people around the world, not only in Iraq! They did it already before George W. Bush came into office! He is just doing what the President of the United States has to do! He is defending the American people and the vital interests of America! That's all and there's nothing wrong with it! If everybody would support him, the war in Iraq would already be history! Instead of sitting in the Oval Office and getting a blow job, he stepped forward to serve his country! Can we blame him for that?

pedram:

I am from Iran. It is very disgusting to read some of these comments from American people. Poor those who think of you as a possibility for their freedom.
I thought there are democrats and republicans but it is more democrats and bullies.
It is funny that for some people killing thousands is ok as long as they are not American. It is good though if they are Moslems.
You are going to make a bigger mess than Iraq and completely destroy the little elections and any other sign of democracy in my country.
By the way this does not mean I agree with Bloody Iranian government.

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AMviennaVA:

Christoph: You posted on 'February 22, 2007 1:41 PM', "Guys the power of US military is hyped up. They do not have the capacity to wage a full-scale war + victory over any country larger than Trinidad and Tobago."

I hope that you realize that the US, with sufficient provocation, can re-institute the military draft and put more than 20million troops on the field, essentially anywhere in the world. Do not mis-interpret the present difficulties in Iraq: The volunteer force is being stretched, because it is being used inefficiently.

IO:

Dear Hamid,

I totally agree with you on the fact that unfortunately Iranian leaders don't care much about their own country and especially people! The American government does. But when I talk about the American government I am referring to their foreign policy and their internal propaganda. The media here it interlaced with the government, and same is true for Iran, but the problem is US is supposed to be a free country where FREE PRESS is practiced, but I can assure you that this is in no way the case here!

I was born here, left the country when I was very young, and came back to study. I have lived here since I was 14, and I love this country, but I would never stand injustice, and a war on Iran is just that and based on dirty lies that Bush and US Media makes it's people believe. It is unfortunate that such a great country is filled with such corruptions and it has managed to keep its people so uneducated and so much into materialism and sex, that the majority is clue-less about the world around them and still vote for some idiot like Bush. And yes I know Iran's president in no better, but at least Iran is not raging wars all over the world.


Iranian -Canadian:
Iranian -Canadian:

1. Well, Guardian just published its latest article on the Iranian nuclear conflict, beginning with

"Much of the intelligence on Iran's nuclear facilities provided to UN inspectors by American spy agencies has turned out to be unfounded, according to diplomatic sources in Vienna."

So, the question that comes in mind is that how credible is the UN's stand in this regard?

US current administration is making its decisions based on these faulty intelligence- for the second time in less than four years. So, other question is that where is the credibility and accountability of this government? Considering the unrivaled military muscle force of US, isn't this arrogance horrifying?

2. Undoubtedly Iranian government has violated its citizens human rights on numerous occasions. And a lot of people ,inside and outside the county, are fighting this and most of them firmly believe that the only way to improve the situation is an internal gradual and peaceful movement- which has already started. Democracy is not something you could export it, it's a practice and process solely by the people which are directly affected and involved in it.

3. The reality check shows that most of the corrupt government in the area are close allies of western countries in general and dear allies of US in the region. Most of those people came from a country which US claims to be its closest ally in the region- but no one even bothered in the US to think about it.

Isn't it the time for the US to put more pressure or at least remove its unilateral unlimited support and let the people of these countries decide about their governments?
History is not just a subject that we would read about it in the school, it's a mirror, the details of the image maybe not be clear much, but it shows pretty much all the important aspects.

Another Iranian:

Quebecois, I also advise you to improve your reading skills. The article very clearly underlines the fact that "energy subsidies, hostility to foreign investment, and inefficiencies of its state-planned economy underlie Iran's problem, which has no relation to 'peak oil.'" Like I pointed out before, what Iran will not have, is export income due to higher domestic consumption. And the solution is not to shift investment away from the oil sector, but towards it. If you had only a passing knowledge of this subject, you would know better than to speculate about what "if we didn't have oil" by the next decade. To recap, we will have oil well into the next half a century, and a lot of it.

Hamid rezaii:

To IO;
You said : (Iran might not be the best democracy, but it is far better than most of its neighbors and Iranian government's crime against humanity is a microscopic fraction of that of U.S. government. )

As an Iranian live in IRAN, I am amayzed with your level of stupidity, WHY are you live in US then??!!

Derakhshan is another idiot like you,
a 32 years old job-less, 2 times divorced and un-educated , unstable guy.

- YES, US is not welcome to our motherland, and a war will not help even democracy in Iran,
but we shall put more blame on our leaders than Bush, what Bush doing is for his nations sake,
So , what about Iranian leaders??

lets fight for peace.

Quebecois:

Another Iranian,
The estimates DO take into account development of niew oil fields. Just as a side note, I'm probably more educated than you are.
Here's the article: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/1/377

I'm sure you're educated enough to read it and figure out what it says.
The discussion is politically-biased, but the results are scientifically-sound.

Quebecois:

Another Iranian,
The estimates DO take into account development of niew oil fields. Just as a side note, I'm probably more educated than you are.
Here's the article: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/104/1/377

I'm sure you're educated enough to read it and figure out what it says.
The discussion is politically-biased, but the results are scientifically-sound.

Majid Nabipoor:

Mike J

Next time if you want to copy paste “embarrassing facts” be care more, some of your list didn’t happen in the Middle East or they are started by U.S.A.
In addition I’m not Arabian, they can answer you better. I’m Persian. You need to know more geography. Your answer is boring like a student from elementary school. I need stronger rival to fight with him by my words. YES, your culture produces Clash of Civilization and my Culture answers by Dialogue between Civilizations.

to IO:

to IO:

As an Iranian who has lived here in the United States, I would be more than happy to KICK YOUR A**!

io:

As an Iranian who has live here in the US for the past 11 years, I would surely GO BACK and fight against U.S. if they dare to attack Iran, and to answer some of you: YES that is how most Iranians feel, the amount nationalism Iranians have for their country is far beyond what any American can comprehend!

Iran might not be the best democracy, but it is far better than most of its neighbors and Iranian government's crime against humanity is a microscopic fraction of that of U.S. government. It might be interesting for some American's to know contrary to what your corrupted media reports, Iran is never a threat to it's neighbors, and Iran have NEVER in it's entire modern history invaded another country!

Erinther:

Hi sara,
I agree with you that Hossein's point is that U.S cannot bring that freedom that it's people enjoy top Iran or any other country by attacking them. In fact the most outspoken defender of it, is Akbar Ganji, Nabavi and so many other iranian prominent reformists. the point is that Derakhshan, by using this argument tries to solve his own problems. Just go and read Nabavi's article in response to Derakhshan's accusations. (I wonder if derakhshan will write something in response or not , but I hope someone will translate Nabavi’s article to English).

winston:

Hoder is in love with numer 3 dictator of the world. It says it. Because he is blind to crimes of the Iranian regime.

Sara:

From what I read among the responses, I feel that some people are not geting the point of Hossein's article.
Yes, I think most of the iranians living abroad, U.S canada Europe, live there because they want the freedom in those countries, and yes, we do believe that U.S is still among the best countries in the world to live in, but the point is that U.S cannot bring that freedom that it's people enjoy top Iran or any other country by attacking them.
attacking Iran would not bring democracy there as it didn't for iraq, nor it will solve the nuclear problem or threat to Israel, if any of them are true. It will even broaden the problem.
I for one love living in U.S, enjoy the freedom here, and hate the rulers in Iran. I do not want to wipe out Israel out of map, and hope to see a peace between Palestine and israel in my life time . Yet, I do not want any attack from U.S or any other country on my soil, and I do go back and fight if such a thing happen. I think it is absulutely unacceptable for U.S to attack Iran before any diplomatic talk with that country. There is absulutely no proof that Iran has the intention to make a nuclear bomb nor they are any close to that.
Iran is not a problem in Iraq any more than Syria and Saudi Arabia. If it is ok to attack Iran for that reason, they have to start with Saudi Arabia.

We would not be having these conversations If Bush was a sane polititian.

Bashir Rategh:

Well "FATE:" I personally and most of people of the world hopefully, know US and west as the cause of the inhumanity gone before to Iranians(the 1953 coupe, killing 1 million of them with direct support of the the tyrant Sadam Hossein which they quickly executed him to prevent revealing their dark secrets)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/08/EDG6PKE1EG1.DTL&hw=iraq+chemical+weapon&sn=001&sc=1000

Seems that US is in love of killing another million in following months or years or at least extending its discreminations against Iranians like what Hitler did to Jews.

Like what gone to them in second world war, soon, not probably as fast as what Jews saw, we will see Amricans being known globally as the new leader of facism over the world and will be brought to justice

History might be written by victors but there are always good willing people accross the world that do not bow to powers and sell their soul to money. They will back the human rights and in its most obvious case for Iranian the right of people to live not to be killed by super powers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6379611.stm


PS: I am not sure what is wrong with most of these western medias. The name is "Persian Gulf" not "gulf" like Golf of Mexico.


bio:

The author obviously takes his freedom for granted and does not live in a realistic mindframe. If he was so connected to Iran he would know he cannot go back as a citizen or be executed............you can't have your cake and eat it too. If Iran is so awesome, sir, then exercise your freedom here and leave. You insult those of us whose ancestors and family members have died for this country.

Vonnegut said "Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"

Until the extremists all over the world are gone, especially the ones that control governments, whether they are muslim, christian, hindu, etc....there will be no chance for peace anywhere.

Maybe we should just all be buddhist, they are the only ones that never seem to start wars or embrace violence unless they are lighting themselves on fire.

Christoph:

Guys the power of US military is hyped up. They do not have the capacity to wage a full-scale war + victory over any country larger than Trinidad and Tobago.

They may be capable of bombing, but they are also very prone to the same happening to them. Just imagine 500 Iranian missiles targeting only USS Eisenhower. Even if half of them hit, the carrier will become totally unoperational.

German Voice:

J.B. FINGER wrote: "If you are an American Citizen, your loyalty belongs to the United States, and when divides occur between the US and Iran, you must turn your back on the Government of Iran. American Citizens of German descent did this very same thing against the Nazis during WWII. If you are not willing to pledge you allegiance to this country, then LEAVE!!"

I agree! In every generation, German Americans have courageously stepped forward to serve in our country's hour of need. During the Revolutionary War, General Friedrich von Steuben helped train the Continental Army for battle, and in World War II, great men like General Dwight Eisenhower and Admiral Chester Nimitz helped lead the Allied Forces to victory. Our Nation will always be grateful to the many German Americans who have selflessly answered the call to defend liberty and advance the cause of freedom as members of our Armed Forces. The sacrifices of these heroes help preserve the ideals of our country's founding and make the world a safer place.

God bless America!

Bush = Father of Islamistan:

"A senior Iranian government official" sat down with CNN's Christiane Amanpour yesterday, and calling the U.S. and Iran "natural allies," he laid out the case:

"We are not after conflict. We are not after crisis. We are not after war," said this official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "But we don't know whether the same is true in the U.S. or not. If the same is true on the U.S. side, the first step must be to end this vicious cycle that can lead to dangerous action -- war."
He confided that what he was telling me was not shared by all in the Iranian government, but it was endorsed so high up in the religious leadership that he felt confident spelling out the rationale....

I asked whether he meant Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei himself.

"Yes," he said....

He said the time is right for the United States and Iran to sit down and talk directly -- to say "we recognize each other." He said neither side has done this so far "because of the mentality on each side."

"Each of us is afraid of looking weak if we take the first step," he said. "We have this fear in common with America. Before contemplating recognition, each side feels it necessary to convince the other side that 'I am not weak.'"

Another Iranian:

Quebecois, you need to educate yourself. The estimates say that if Iran do not renew its oil industry, it will not be able to increase supply and cope with domestic demand. Hence, exports will reach zero. They are not saying Iran is running out of oil. In fact, at the current rate of production and if no new discovery is made, Iran will have oil for some 90 years.

XYZ:

To Mike J

The number of people killed in WWI and WWI (not to mention other wars within the Christian Club) towers waaaaay above the sum of all people that died in that long list of wars you listed, even if you take them in proportion to world population at that time.

Add to it the mindless waste of human life in the Iran-Iraq war, about 2m...and Iraq was encouraged and supported by America in that war.

Javad Ghorbati:

Hossein D, for god's sake, stop writing grabages here and there, Everybody knows that your intention is just "Seeking attention", to be honest with you and everyone else, not that you have the balls to go and fight for Iran, nor your self-called "liberal" life style is accepted in Iranian culture. You are not the person you try to present here and there. Your hatred towards the US is just because they didnt allow you to get there due to your immigration violations, and your love for Iran is simply an opportunistic crying for gaining approval from people in power in Iran. YOU ARE NOT A REPRESENTATIVE of the hard working Iranian who works their arse off to make a modest life either inside or outside of the country. I am not for the WAR either and I love my country too, but I am not going to fight for anyone, I am for peace and a respectful relationship between the US and Iran and I think this has something worthy to fight for.

Quebecois:

Mike J,

Those are good questions. I wish you could imagine yourself being an Iranian and facing these questions. How would you feel? There's an arrogant contempt in your tone that is extremely annoying. That contempt was the strongest force that pushed Iranians towards revolting againt America in 1979.

You're right, what if we didn't have oil? In fact, Iranian officials estimate that by 2011, Iranian oil exports may approach zero. A paper published in PNAS, shows that American researchers are more optimistic saying Iran will have no oil exports by 2014-2015. But what difference does it make? The point is we're screwed!

As a result of this, energy production through other resources, the most reliable at the time being nuclear, is a MUST. Iran is not the first country to pursue nuclear programs, the US and the UK and others are also increasing their investment in nuclear energy.

So either Iran has to stick with its plans to invest in alternate sources of energy, or face economic disaster, having to beg Uncle Sam's pity as Uncle Sam pisses on her face.Of course Bush & Co., and perhaps even you, couldn't wait to see that day, but it's the Iranian nation's WILL not to let that happen.

So it's none of the world's (i.e. the U.S. in your dictionary) business to tolerate or not to tolerate Iran. Iran is a sovereign nation on the opposite side of the planet and will do as she wishes, no matter how you and I feel about it.

Tariq:


Ah,love ,let us be true
To one another!for the world,which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various ,so beautiful,so new
Hath really neither joy,nor peace,no help for pain
And here we are on a darkling plain,
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight
Where ignorant armies clash by nigth.
(Matthew Arnold)

Mike J:

OBS,

This ignorant libertarian wants to know if nobody buys your oil, what will you do for money?

What other industries do the countries of the Middle East have?

What do you build?

What do you create?

What are the fruits of your research?

What do you export?

What do you have to offer, besides oil, that anyone wants?

It is only because of oil that the rest of the world even tolerates you.

Dave:

MIKEB,

Thanks! at least you know what you are talking about. Wish there were many more like in this country.

obs:

Hey ignorant right wingers: let's make a deal, you guys get out of Mid east and go back to the best place in the world and we ask iranian americans who contributed about 600 billion dollars to the US economy to get out of there. Deal? you guys leave the oil in mid east alone and we ask others to leave the us too. oh wait, how you guys are going to drive your SUV's? and Cheney and others are make so much money?

dave:

And most posts here show how ignorant some Americans are. Get your facts straight: mr derakhshan does not live in the US fortunately. He id Candaian unless some of you think Canada should be part of the US. Even if he lived here, he would have any right to say if Bush policy is right or not.
Iran support "hizbollah"?. Who does US support? MEK is under the wing of pentagon now and is categorized by the state dept as terrorsit group. And by way, whose bombs killed thousands of innocent people in Iraq? Definition of terrorism id anybody who is against the US imperialistic policies, not killing innocent people. At least Iran leader does not justify invading another country in the name of freedom bla bla.
Yes, US is the best country to invade other countries for no good reason, lie in the UN about the its pretexts, and have no regard for international laws. Then, trash the Geneva convention to torture prisoners in Iraq. Yeah, it is definition of best country. Their soldiers raped a teen Iraqi girl and then murder the whole family.

Mike J:

Majid Nabapoor,

Your attack on America is interesting because it conveniently forgets embarrassing facts such as the following:

The slave trade originated with Arabs selling Africans to Europeans.

Saudi Arabia did not end slavery until 1962.

The peoples of the Middle East are no strangers to war and genocide as this list illustrates (and you self-righteous Europeans please don't make me list all the wars you folks inflicted on one another):

Egyptian Invasion of Asia 1479 bc
Persian Empire Wars 546 - 539 bc
Persian-Greek Wars 499 - 401 bc
Alexander & Macedonian Conquests 338 - 322 bc
Hellenistic Monarchies, Wars of the 318 - 170 bc
Third Macedonian War 168 bc
First Triumvirate, Wars of the 53 - 45 bc
Second Triumvirate, Wars of the 43 - 31 bc
Byzantine Empire Wars 395 - 1453
Muslim Conquests 624 - 982
Crusades 1096 - 1254
Safavid Dynasty & Ottoman Empire 1514
Arab-Israeli War 1948 - 1949
Suez War 1956
Wars in Lebanon 1958 - 1983
Six-Day War 1967
October War 1973
Iran-Iraq War 1980 - 1988
Persian Gulf War 1991
War on Terrorism 2001

Europe, Asia, and the Middle East have histories defined by war, genocide, murder, slavery, religious and tribal hatreds, and just about every other human idiocy one can imagine.

A person cannot look at those histories and take seriously any attack on America that uses its short history as a justification.

In its short life, America has saved the world three times by winning WWI, WWII, and the Cold War.

America is saving the world right now from annihilation or slavery by violent jihad.

You might as well get used to American leadership.

Majid Nabipoor:

Hey joy STOP

Hossein drakhshan is not alone. Secondly he dose not choose your Country for living. Do you forget Indians in America? Who are you? What do you think about yourself and your country? It is just exaggerated. Who are you that want to bring democracy to other country? Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world. Do you forget Iraq? Do you forget Vietnam? Your country Use two nuclear bombs and now it wants to stop Iran? It is ridiculous. It is good for you to know U.S.A has 44 wars in the World after Second War like Vietnam, North Korea, Iraq, and . . . Do you forget What your ancestors did in America with Indians, Mexicans, Cubans, and Vietnams, and. . . in other places? Yes you and people like you don’t want to understand. Have you ever thought where Iraq is in the map and what distance is until your country? How Sadam could to attack your country? Do you forget Oil and Dollar? YES YOU ARE THIS. YES SIR.

Mike J:

This is what, I hope, most of us wish for the future.

"Zachary Karabell's Peace Be upon You: The Story of Muslim, Christian, and Jewish Coexistence."

A description:

"Historians have so often focused on religious conflict--crusades, jihads, pogroms--that Karabell fears many readers have forgotten how often the devout have lived in peace with those of different faiths. To dispel this unfortunate forgetfulness, he develops a wide-ranging narrative highlighting epochs of interfaith toleration and cooperation. Readers visit, for instance, ninth-century Baghdad, where a Muslim caliph invited Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist theologians to compare beliefs; later, the tour moves on to thirteenth-century Toledo, where Muslims, Jews, and Christians collaborated in translating important classical texts; and, still later, Karabell turns to mid-twentieth-century Beirut, where disparate religions hammered out a national pact for sharing governance. Karabell concedes that some regimes have pursued ecumenical harmony merely to secure economic and political advantage, but he insists that such harmony actually reflects peace-fostering doctrines central to all of the Abrahamic faiths. Applying such doctrines, Karabell concedes, has grown more difficult in a modern world transformed by the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism."

More:

"It was noted a long time ago that many people have a simplistic view of Islam -- one fostered, ironically, by the fundamentalists, who want everyone to think that they're the true and only face of Islam. This book looks as if it might be a useful corrective, though of course the people who really need to be persuaded are unlikely to read it."

Is it at all possible, in the opinion of the many diverse individuals contributing to this thread, that people of different faiths can once again live alongside one another peacefully?

Or, are we condemned to decades or centuries of violence until only the most brutal of us are all that remain?

This American Texan hopes it is the former.

Saami:

AMIR NI said it all.

Kristen, for real:

To "SIGH":
OH, so THAT"S what we gave Israel,
bomb detectors. And they used them, not to kill innocent civillans in Lebanon as we heard, but to look for bombs in the dear non aggressive homeland. "...let Israel do what it wants..."
But at least you didn't call yourself 'German' or 'Thor', or 'Fate' trying to hide who you are. But that little trick of trying to pretend you're just so upset about everything and sooo fairminded, and getting Israeli praise in between the lines, is getting old. The technique is silly and it is rancid. (I refer here to the post of 1:39 p.m. 2/21..

Qmars:

Hossein Derakhshan doesn't have any permanent job, family life, home to stay, and college education. Moreover, his hatred toward US has personal origin too (the fact that he was denied to enter US due to immigration violations). For this person, with such an unstable life, it doesn't come at any price to write this BS; instead, the mentality that he is trying to represent to the world, would cause hundreds of talented Iranians inside US to suffer; who have fed up with the situation in Iran and seeking a better future in US.

erinther:

Congratulations Hossein;
Despite what your repressed, stupid rivals and enemies says, you are not the most hatred and least respected blogger amongst your Iranian blogger colleagues. One blogger has published the Persian version of this post on his blog, as you asked everyone to publish it on their own blogs. As you said,I do know that those rivals ,depressed because of their sexual tensions, will try to underestimate it, but don’t forget it is only because of jealousy. After all,the last time you asked people to publish your accusations against Rooz, not a single one paid attention to it. So this time we have something to celebrate.cheers.

Fate:

MikeB:
---If Iran was such a dictatorship and the mullah's wielded the sort of power you allege, then you wouldn't have forums on the BBC where ordinary Iranian citizens express themselves, criticizing/supporting their government, their religious leaders, etc. Those citizens, if you care to check, sign their comments with their full names, too (unlike most U.S. posters where a critical comments about Bush or Cheney *will* land you on some Homeland Security list).---

And where are the blogging sites in Iran? Where are the independent newspapers? TV stations? Where are the 2000 students arrested in the demonstrations of 2004? What about Akbar Ganji and how he was delt with by the Iranian government. What about how a Canadian citizen, Zahra Kazemi, was arrested and killed. How about the way the Iranian government treated Nobel Peace Laureate Shirin Ebadi?

I could go on. If you say that freedom exists in Iran you are either living in a fantasy world or you completely agrees with the Iranian government and thus has nothing to fear.

Old Atlantic:

Arian: "WE Iranian don't need to go back iran to defend our Country where we can easily fight back from here. If fire starts, every one will get hurt.

February 21, 2007 10:12 AM "

Thanks for the straight talk. Do you have anything specific in mind?

Old Atlantic:

Reza, thanks for the strong message of support and hope.

Fate:

Bashir Rategh wrote:
---Having the same democracy again for a dynasty as old as Iran takes time as the passing of centuries has moved us to a society with lots of different opinions and believe me or not every dynasty has it up and down. hundreds of years from now you might be able to see similar problems with US---

Maybe, but what I am conforted by is that our constitution has remained intact for over 200 years and most ammendments to it were to increase or clarify freedoms. Many nations that are older than the US have newer constitutions. I've read Iran's constitution drafted after the revolution and changed again in 1999. It draws heavily on Islamic law and its guarantees are mostly for the state and Islamic law, not the citizen.

One aspect of America's constitution few know about, even Americans, is Article 10 which says that any powers not mentioned in the constitution are reserved to the states or the people. In other words, George Bush cannot simply do what he wants. His powers as president are limited to what is in the constitution. If it isn't there he cannot do it. What this means is that the constitution does not grant freedom to the people, freedom is considered God given. What the constitution does is outline the limits of powers of government. These limits cannot be crossed. In most other countries freedoms are granted by the government. In America I'm free because I'm human, in most other countries you're free because the state allows you to be free. Its a large difference and one I take comfort in for the future of America.

We're actually in the middle of a "down" right now with Bush breaking domestic spying laws and not meeting his constitutional responsibilities of keeping Congress informed. Congress has put him on notice and is now investigating the broken laws, the constitution being the guide.

As for Iran in a hundred years I'm not so sure. If the reformers ever win power I'm sure they will want to make some changes to Iran's constitution, hopefully to add the freedoms for the people not currently there. I have faith in Iranians. They are historically a great people and the ones I have met over here are wonderful.

Anonymous:

Dear FATE,

{{... A terrorist is always a terrorist, someone who deliberately kills the innocent to instill terror.}}

Sounds like Israel. In the recent Israel-Lebanon war, Israelis killed more than 900 people most of which were civilians. Hizbala killed about 100 people (98 if I am not mistaken), most of which were soldiers. (34 civilians, if I am not mistaken). Killing civilians with high-tech bombs is not any better than killing civilians with low-tech kutyoushas. These are some figures that you can easily find on CNN website. But don't let others draw the conclusions for you.

Don't get me wrong. I hate all types of killing (no matter who the victim is: soldier or civilian) and I have no sympathy whatsoever with Arabs' struggle against Israel (because it has nothing to do with me).

Another Iranian:

ّّFate, I find your analysis very shallow. You are clearly buying into the show-boating by Ahmadiinejad. I would attach no value to his public declarations. Such is the nature of the Islamic Republic, it involves a lot of propaganda. A shrewd politician keep his strategies hidden. I invite you to make an effort to know Iran better, perhaps visit the country. As for patterns based on real actions and precedent, Iran has shown itself to be very pragmatic. It also spends very little on its military per capita, in a neighbourhood where countries like Kuwait and Israel spend huge amounts. What it spends, a lot of it focus on domestic development. It often trims imports. Iran has had many offers from Russia to buy new aircraft and refused, for example. Yet, the country's current policy to intimidate yet maintain friendly relations with its neighbours have played out wonderfully. Please refrain from naive generalizations and sound bites, and cut back on the Hitler comparisons.

Qmars:

"...Islamic Republic and Khamenei's worst is way better than anything that the United States or the European Union can bring to Iran."

but why?

Bashir Rategh:

About the comment made by Fate on February 21, 2007 11:16 AM

It looks like that on US some objections are being made, but have you seen any practical activities to:

1- Prevent such madness happening again(look in to Iraq, I do not see even a small effort to bring justice the person that killed something between 30,000 to 600,000 people! Just look at the range of number of death and you know to eye of west and US it is not important how many non American is being killed whether it is 1 person is killed or millions(in Iran case). Notice something as well, US executed Sadam for just killing 150 people. So shouldn't the world expect the same fate for who has caused the Iraq fatality and in 1980's Iranians? At least a life in prison if you do not to execute the guy(s) unless you justify the killing the humans

2- I can not see any consequences for US action regarding crimes against humanities even though if there are efforts made. What I mean is may be democratic tools you are referring is just some hallucination US citizen have in this exact field(mass killing other people of the world) because why you don't see results? What is the benefit of having something that does not change anything for the victims? In my case Iranian never got sympathy neither a UN resolution when there were invaded and received huge fatality by the weapons sold to Sadam by US and the support they received. Not even anything about the so called "weapon of mass destruction" that was the excuse to start the war against Iraq.

My God don't you see? Those weapon of mass destruction your president was referring were all used up against poor Iranian souls. Is there any body out there caring?

3- Madlin Albright revelead the action of united states government in 1953 coup of a democratic government(Mohammed Mossadegh) in Iran. Did any of those tools solved anything for Iranian and the suffers they received because of that? Instead we see that US in Clinton and Bush presidency spent and still spending millions of dolor for any movement to overthrow government in Iran. What is the use of the democratic tools you referred to?

4- Every power no matter it is a government or members of security council in UN has some tools to kill any democratic action against its will on occasions it wants
Example of US is that it has veto power in UN for any democratic vote being made there, no matter how irrational the US veto is nobody states his concerns in US about that why then you are worried about the same level of veto in Iran?
Of course that does not mean I agree with the system to block the 100% democratic wills but it more or less can be seen anywhere around the world

That of course will not make US have the right to kill Iranian if it does not like their acts. By the way why US is not acting the same with Saudi Arabia when in that country the women even do not have the right to vote!

So I hope you know what is my concerns when I see my country resources and infrastructure is in jeopardy and I don't see American people trying to prevent the racism againt Iranian people

Have this in your mind, Iran and Persians were the first state created human rights act. Just see the Cyrus the great

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great

Our Cyrus cylander, the first charter of human rights is hanging over the entrance hall of security council in UN

Having the same democracy again for a dynasty as old as Iran takes time as the passing of centuries has moved us to a society with lots of different opinions and believe me or not every dynasty has it up and down. hundreds of years from now you might be able to see similar problems with US

MikeB:

Fate - You are simply buying the garbage handed out by the White House. If Iran was such a dictatorship and the mullah's wielded the sort of power you allege, then you wouldn't have forums on the BBC where ordinary Iranian citizens express themselves, criticizing/supporting their government, their religious leaders, etc. Those citizens, if you care to check, sign their comments with their full names, too (unlike most U.S. posters where a critical comments about Bush or Cheney *will* land you on some Homeland Security list).

Iranian woman:

I just feel pity and disgust equally for all the people here giving an idea and expression of their incredible arrogance about Iran and other people who do not think "american". What the deuce is YOUR freedom good for, if it leads to such mental and intellectual dumbness and ifnorance? Shame on you and stop watching Fox TV and other crap.

Fate:

Amir Ni wrote:
---One's terrorist is somebody else's freedom fighter.---

No no no. A terrorist is always a terrorist, someone who deliberately kills the innocent to instill terror. I accept that Israel has committed some acts that border on terrorism and one that I read about, where a senior officer deliberately killed a wounded Palistinian girl after exchanging fire with Palistinians. She was on her way to school and got caught in the crossfire. That soldier is now in jail. Where are the muslim terrorists? Oh yea, in heaven with their 72 virgins or being supported with Iranian oil and tax money. You cannot justify terrorism by any one for any end, otherwise you have people like bin Laden using it as a legitimate weapon. I don't care what God you pray to, terrorism has no validation.

And thanks for the apology. I never thought an entire country could commit such an act for so long a time. Iran will one day be free from the mullahs and its rigged elections. It will be the Iranians themselves that make it happen.

Reza:

To: OLD ATLANTIC
well, he may not be alone, but there are a lot of people who believe otherwise.
I left the damn country and I am never looking back. Whether it becomes the paradise on earth or be destroyed by nukes from the US, I will never, in any circumstances look back.
I chose Germany, a welcoming country that hosted me, whose people accepted me warmly as one of them, to live. I have integrated myself and consider myself a German now.
And I really wish that US attacks the damn country of Mullahs. I so wish to see them fall.

Fate:

Ali wrote:
---But at the same time, I don't think Iran is a direct threat agaist anyone in the region just based on my knowledge from the system in Iran. When I say Iran, I am not talking about a person (for example Ahmadinejad). I am talking about the whole system including the people. A country like Iran can only attack another nation if the whole system agrees with such thing, not a person.---

Can you explain how the system works? For example, if Ahmadinejad decided to attack southern Iraq to "save" the Shiites there, who in Iran would have to agree and would the military be part of that decision?

--Iranian government might fool people about its interference in Iraq or Lebanon but they can never do that about a major war agaist another country.---

Why not? Bush did it here! You know the saying: "You can fool some of the people some of the time, even all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all the time"? Well, to get a country into a war you only need to fool them some of people some of the time. After that you're stuck with the war your leader lead you into.

---The people in Iran want peace, and a better life. I could clearly see that in my recent trip there a few months ago.---

I'm sure they do. I just wish they could elect the people they want so peace and prosperity might be realized.

Ali:

I agree with most of what Hossein wrote. Just think of this example:

Saddam was hung for killing one hunderd something people 20 years ago and he was still responsible for it.

Bush (and many of US presidents, for that matter) made so many mistakes, admitted to it. It resulted in killing of people of other countries, and yet, no one is responsible here, not being prosecuted, let alone being hung.

Unfortunately, in the so called democratic countries, no one is responsible for their actions, they come and go and keep enjoying life. In those countries, things are totally different.

Hopefully, there will be no war between US and any other country. Unlike Hoder, I don't think we can even defend our country it a war starts...

Sigh:

The hate from both sides is amazing. If you can't understand why the US wouldn't want Iran to have a nuke, you're an idiot. If you can't understand why Iran would want nuclear power, you're also an idiot. THat's the problem with most of the posters here. They're idiots. It was great when smart people used computers and idiots used the telephone... now idiots are everywhere.

Of course Iran never attacked anyone. They make up groups that they 'condemn' to attack people they don't agree with. This way people can say "Look, Iran has never attacked anyone..."

Yet, we send Israel a mine detector and we've 'unleashed the dogs'.

I would love to just see Americans say "Enough! Forget it!" Stop all the aid, stop all the meddling, etc, etc... just stop. Let Isreal do what it wants, let everyone else do what they want, and just see what happens.

Do I care if Iran has a nuke? Not really.

However, when it blows up in Israel, and Israel turns Iran/Iraq into a sheet of glass in the desert.... well... you were warned. They really don't even need the nukes, the military they have is plenty. As it is we keep the reigns on them. Don't you use those weapons we sold you to defend yourself, that will make people mad at us... lol... Take the reigns off, let the whole middle east do what it wants. Maybe this time Israel will finish what it started there...

As far as the orginal author here, it's amazing to be so intentionall delusional that you have to flee a country to support it. Thank god he can go to one of the "great devils" in the world to have free thought...

Amir NI:

Dear FATE: Your quotes in {{}}

{{I'm not saying the US is offering anything to Iran except our most heartfelt support for those wishing for freedom within Iran. My point was that if Hossein Derakhshan and others wish to go back to fight for Iran they should understand what they are fighting for. I'm sure in 1938 many Germans went back to Germany to fight for Hitler. Are they proud?}}

If the heartfelt support is from American people, it is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I don't know why you compare Iran to Germany, and probably Ahmadinejad to Hitler. I am sorry to tell you that the media in your country (I am assuming you are from US) are controlled by AIPAC. And they want to present Ahmadinejad as Hitler. You took it.

{{I completely understand your position and I don't know of anyone in America who wants to invade Iran. We just see the threats and actions of the Iranian government and are concerned. Invading Iran will solve nothing but threats cannot be ignored either.}}

"threats and actions"! What actions? What threats? Who is planning a military strike against who? Iran has not threatened any country. Can you say the same statement about US or Israel? Iran has not invaded any country in the past 200 years, or more. Can you say the same thing for US or Israel?

{{Fine, but while you're chanting "death to america" consider what Iran is doing, supporting Hezbollah's disaster in attacking Israel, supplying support for Hamas to not deal with Israel, funneling material and men into Iraq which is killing mostly muslims, and its own suppression of freedom at home. If the US were doing what Iran is doing you'd call it imperialism and meddling in other's affairs. Just because the US meddled in iran in the past does not give Iran a free hand to meddle in other's affairs today nor threaten anyone it wants. If Iran wants peace it can easily have peace. Just because you have an idiot for a leader in Iran does not mean you blindly support him. I do not blindly support Bush, just the opposite. But of course, I won't end up in jail for voicing my opinions here in America. Good luck to those of you in Iran criticizing your leadership.}}


Fine, Iran is perfect. I don't support the regime blindly either. But that doesn't mean that every allegation against Iran is correct. First: One's terrorist is somebody else's freedom fighter. In the eyes of most people in the middle east (people, not puppet kings), it is Israel that is a terrorist government, not Hizbala. I don't want to get into details of it now, cause it seems irrelevant. However, you need to broaden your resources for news. Labeling groups as terrorists and terrorising them does not seem to solve anything. About "funneling material and men into Iraq": you better ask your president for a proof and you better examine it before he starts another war. At least, ask him to put the dates according to the Iranian format when they fabricate new evidence.

{{It is absolutely totalitarian when the guardian council prevents over 2000 canidates from running in the 2004 election. You cannot bend democracy or have only a piece if it and call it democracy. You cannot have an unelected body decide who can run in an election. The unelected elements in Iran are totalitarian. The elected parts are determined by them. Thats total control and thus totalitarian.}}

Wow. Does it mean that you had 2000 presidential candidates in United States? :) I was joking. You are right. Iran is not a perfect democracy. But, it is not a totalitarianism. Half of the Guardian Council is elected by Majlis (the parliment), who are directly elected by people. The complex Iranian political structure is not something to be easily labeled as totalitarian. (This doesn't mean that I approve it. No. Not at all.). The fact that people decided to say 'no' to reformists and voted for a conservative (the Ahmad-in-Jacket) is a simple example. Americans wish to see a dramatic change in Iran's political structure, but, this is not the wish of most of Iranians. (They have experienced a 'revolution', and they don't want more bloodshet and/or abrupt change in power. They want the change to be gradual).

{{The US will bring Iran nothing. We know most Iranians were not in agreement with what happened in 1979. We know the revolution was hijacked. We know freedom is being suppressed. We know Iranian democracy is a sham. We'd like to see the Iranians free themselves, but after the barbaric hostage taking in '79 I just don't give a damn about what the Iranians are going through. Nothing personnal. Its like my father who fought in WW2 and afterword would never buy a Japanese car. He didn't hate the Japanese and I don't hate Iranians. One of my best friends comes from Iran. But I really don't want to see the US sink a penny into helping Iran. They made their bed and its up to them to get out of it.}}

You talk just like MEK. Your statement might be true for Iranians abroad, but not for all Iranians. We do have freedom. In today's world of technology, everyone can say or write whatever he/she wants. We do know that our government controls/censors our TV channels and newspapers (and not the satellite TVs). But most Americans don't know that your country's media is being intelligently controlled/censured by your government and AIPAC. Which one is worse? Knowing it or not knowing it?
About "hostage taking": I am really sorry. I alway apologize to my American friends and you are not an exception.

Fate:

MikeB,

Who ran for the Assembly of Experts in the 2006 election? 163 candidates who had won approval from the Guardian Council, most of them from conservative backgrounds. Secular people outside the system cannot participate. No women were allowed to run. A man named Mesbah-Yazdi, a conservative, complained that many of his candidates, including his own son, were disqualified by the Guardian Council.

Of the more than 233,000 candidates in 2006 that ran for more than 113,000 council seats, 10,000 were disqualified by parliamentary committees dominated by hard-liners.

That is not democracy by any means. Just because police were not pointing guns at the voters does not mean the election was free and fair. It was rigged from the beginning. What should scare the ruling mullahs is that even with the scales tilted heavily in their favor the conservatives did not do well.

You know, in the communist Soviet Union they held politburo "elections" but no one pretended they were a free and fair representation of the people. Face it, even Iranians who would fight FOR Iran in a war do not call Iran a democracy.

bd:

Hypocrite. I don't know why we need to spend any time on this fanatic who would be dead anywhere else. Call him out for what he is.

MikeB:

Jeff, don't get me wrong, I'm no anti-Semite, but your attitude about Israel is simply unreal. Don't just think bout Jonathan Pollard, think about other Israeli spies who have stolen every top secret weapons systems we have and sold them. Did you know that the Israeli's somehow got hold of the plans for our AWAC airplanes and *sold* those plans to the Chinese? Also, we know, because we got two of the gangs, that Indian H1B guest workers stole the plans, even circuit boards for the B2 Bomber and for our stealth fighter (including the means to shoot them down) and sold that to the Russian's, but it has never been made clear who the intermediate party was that facilitated the exchange of money. Also, it has never been made clear how another gang of Indian guest workers exchanged the plans for our underwater missile system that ended up in Iran, but, again, the suspicion again falls on some Israeli arms dealers. What I am saying is, the Israeli are no friends of the United States and our blind support of them is simply insane and unsustainable. Hizbulla didn't just strike out at Israel at the orders of Iran. Israel has long sent in special forces to assassinate leaders of that movement and they were just itching for a chance to strike back. Same thing for Hamas and the Palestinians. Now, Hamas is a Sunni group and Hizbulla is a Shia group and they do not like or trust each other, but they and the people they represent (both are democratically elected and very popular representatives of their people) have been harmed by Israel and the U.S. to the extent that they are cooperating. Israel has done a lot of harm to her Arab neighbors and to her own Arab citizens. I do not think Israel ought to be wiped off the map but I certainly appreciate that a majority of Arab people want that and I understand why. Cut Israel loose and force her to either play well with others or cease to exist.

An Iranian:

there is a typo:
Maybe the wrong term has been used. any critisizm is against Israel and zionism, "not" jews.

An Iranian:

Jeff Wrote:

It's very disappointing to see many of the Iranians on this board promoting bigoted anti-Jewish stereotypes as "facts."

Maybe the wrong term has been used. any critisizm is against Israel and zionism, now jews.
this is a fact that both governments, Iranian and Israelies are both idological and fight over power in the region. the fact is they both are natural allies, since they are the only non arab nations.
It's to us, people who will pay any price for this madness to stop this stupidity and no war would bring us any good

Jeff:

It's very disappointing to see many of the Iranians on this board promoting bigoted anti-Jewish stereotypes as "facts." We've seen comments above stating that AIPAC funded the American invasion of Iraq, that Jews were behind the war (as group, Jews were against the war), etc.

The other common theme that is stated as fact, but is in fact not true, is that the U.S. orchestrated and forced Iraq and Iran into the 1980-88 war. That is simply not true. And the U.S. did not sell chemical weapons to Iraq-- false again. I acknowledge that the U.S. did support Iraq and sold it weapons- and that was morally wrong.

While I agree that the U.S. foreign policy regarding people in Israel, Arabia and Persia has been hypocritical, violent, and wrong, let us not apply double standards and make up the "facts" in judging who is acting justly or unjustly.

Ali:

To my friend FATE:
Thanks for your response. But here is my issue:
In the past couple of centuries, Iran has never attacked another country. Iran has always been on the defense rather than offense. Other people have attacked us but we have not attacked anyone. The newest one was Iraq attacking us with the support from the US in 1980 which caused a war that lasted 8 years. Do I think the current government of Iran has the potential to attack another country? The answer is yes. But do I see that likely? The answer is no. I know this country and I see an offense initiated from the Iranian side towards any other country very unlikely. If that happens some day, I will not fight for Iran and I will support an end to such war and such regime that is responsible.

Now, let's talk about supporting smaller scale activities in other countries for example Hezbollah. I don't really know the truth about them and I don't pay attention to the propaganda from either Iran or US about this group. But I know one thing: supporting a group like that can not be grounds for attacking another country no matter how bad the group is. The same applies to what's going on in Iraq. Interfering in other countries business is not a new concept to countries like US. In fact, like someone else mentioned here, US supported the coup agaist the only democratic government we have ever had in our history. That government was followed by Shah's dictatorship which was followed by the revolution. Of course, such things are not acceptable from either Iran or US, but taking that and making a huge propaganda in the media in order to make a big military attack agaist another country will not be fair and reasonable. Again, I don't approve of what the Iranian government does in most areas. But at the same time, I don't think Iran is a direct threat agaist anyone in the region just based on my knowledge from the system in Iran. When I say Iran, I am not talking about a person (for example Ahmadinejad). I am talking about the whole system including the people. A country like Iran can only attack another nation if the whole system agrees with such thing, not a person. Iranian government might fool people about its interference in Iraq or Lebanon but they can never do that about a major war agaist another country. The poeple in Iran want peace, and a better life. I could clearly see that in my recent trip there a few months ago.

Peteran:

The richest people got to be rich through their ruthless pursuit of money. The most powerful nations got to be powerful through their ruthless pursuit of their national interests.

Many Americans can only see their governments as benign. They genuinely believe that administrations act to make not only the United States but also the world a better place. Of course, that is sometimes the case. But only when America's and the world's interests coincide.

When they diverge, the hard-nosed people who run the White House, Foggy Bottom, Langley and the Pentagon will always shaft the rest of the world. Their fingerprints are all over numerous overthrows of democratic regimes and installations of ruthless tyrants. That is realpolitik. All powerful nations throughout history have done the same.

It is unreasonable to expect those who have suffered from or observed the less savory American interventions to see the US as altruistic, to brand their criticisms as anti-Americanism, to expect their endorsement of American exceptionalism, or to hope that they will applaud the transparent hypocrisy of successive presidents who have claimed the moral high ground without blushing.

There have been times in history when America, Britain, France, Germany, Japan and/or Russia have combined the ruthless exercise of great power with considerable popularity around the world. But these are rare.

The US can exercise its unprecedented power in pursuit of its national interest. And it can be popular. If Americans happen to find both coinciding, they should not expect that happy condition to last.

MikeB:

Fate "...I pointed out that Iran isn't a democracy..." You did no such thing. You merely spewed the current ignorant right wing claptrap once again. Duh! Iran recently had elections. Candidates from various parties, none, not one, of them banned by your purported "Ruling Council", ran for office. The citizens of Iran turned out and voted for them in private voting booths. No soldiers, no one watching over their shoulders, they simply voted and the majority chose candidates. In fact, President Hamandinjad's party lost seats. If you would care to read ordinary Iranian's expressing their opinion about their government, foreign policy, their nuclear program, etc. you can turn to the BBC. There, ordinary Iranian citizens express exactly what they feel, sometimes opposed to government policy, other times in support of it, but those opinions are *freely* expressed, without fear - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/6377021.stm

All of this is no the mark of some sort of dictatorship or totalitarian regime; it is the mark of a strong and vibrant *DEMOCRACY*. Like it or not, the Iranian people chose how they will live and do not appreciate our threats or our interference with their country. Our government overthrew a past democratic government and installed the Shaw and his secret police with the accompanying torture chambers, poison gas attacks, press censorship, etc. Since he and we were tossed out like so much garbage, we have continued to bluster than threaten that country. It is small wonder to me that they don't trust us or like us. We have behaved horribly. The Bush Administration has been a disaster from the start, but one of the worst mistakes they made was to rebuff several honest attempts by the Iranian government to normalize relations. So, it's a very small wonder to me that their President called us evil and wished we would disappear from the earth (and, with Bush and Cheney's treasonous permitting jobs and technology to be outsourced, permitting Indian and Chinese engineers to work on Defense Department contracts, even top secret contracts, with the result that the plans for the B2 bomber and other weapon systems were stolen and sold to the Russian's and other by several Indian gangs here on H1B visas, it will be very surprised if we do survive).

To put in terms you might understand: let's say someone showed up and murdered your children and set someone else up live in your house, tossing you out to fend for yourself. After a few years, you have more children and you and your friends take your house back and kick out me and the parasites I set up in your home. Afterwards, the bully takes up residence across the street and periodically pick off one or more of your children with a high power rifle and you find me nearly every day parading up and down in front of your house shouting threats to burn it down and kill you and your family. Would you trust me? Or would you go out and buy a gun with which to defend yourself? THAT, is the positon Iran is in.

Fate:

An Iranian wrote:
---True, I totally agree , but how do you rationalize American involvement in the same areas? why when US unleashed it's wild israeli dog in the same Lebonan, Iraq, you guys didn't stop your democraticly elected government, or didn't push for peace process and shamlesly killed the time to get as many innocent people get killed as possible?---

Israel attacked Lebanoin after it was attacked from Lebanon. Iraq was a war created by Bush and supported by those he lied to. Now that many of the lies have been exposed, America's democracy is working to fix what Bush did.

---talking on involvment, just remember who created Taliban?who founded them? who was the first admninistration to recognize them? American.---

Uh, no. The Taliban were a creation of Pakistan and only the UAE, Saudi and Pakistan recognized them.

---do you know how much trouble they have created for Iran?---

Yes and Iran did nothing about it.

---Iran does not have democary now. that's a fact.it didn't have before Islamic revolution either, that's how the revolution was started, but Iranians are struggling for it for many years now. It had once and guess what? who arranged a coup with British against it? Americans.---

Yup. That's history and America today wants to see democracy come back to Iran. Lets remember who held diplomats hostage for 444 days yet today cries about "diplomats arrested in Iraq.

---And my friend you American have a very shakey democracy now..just review the mc carthy era.. just replace " Terrorism" with " commonism" you see the same " SHOW".---

And what happened to McCarthy? No democracy is perfect but it must have the institutions of government to correct things when power is abused. America has them and you can see them working today with Bush's abuses of power. Iran has little it can do about its abusers of power.

---whoever critisizes this administration gets labled as terorist.---

I have criticized this administration many times and no one labels me a terrorist. Maybe its because I am not advocating death to an entire country or apologizing for the deliberate killings of innocent people. But tell me, what happens to an Iranian who critizes the Iranian government? Do you get labeled a terrorist or are you arrested and tortured?

Look, all I'm asking is that while we Americans are standing up to Bush and his abuses that Iranians do the same. I understand there is a risk associated with that in iran, but at some point change needs to come to Iran. I think we both agree on that. In America we use the ballot box. Not sure how you'll do it in Iran but you will need to figure that out.

Fonzie:

FATE: 11:21 PM

You seem totally oblivious to the nature and the history of Al Da'wa and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

You are seem totally oblivious to the fact that of the three most powerful men in Iraq (Al-Maliki, Al-Hakim, and Muqtada Al-Sadr), Al-Sadr is the only one who espouses your ignorant and silly notion of Iraqi nationalism.

Al-Maliki, Al-Hakim, et al were exiled in Iran, Syria, etc during the tyranny of Saddam Hussein.

One cannot reasoably question their loyalty and alliance with Iran.

Thanks to Bush, Iraq is a vassal state of Iran.


Here’s more on Al-Dawa….

Keywords: Al Dawa, Islamic Fundamentalism, Sharia, Iran and Iraq, terrorism, US Embassy attack

1) Large Turnout Reported For 1st Iraqi Vote Since ‘58 The Washington Post, June 21, 1980

In another development today, Al Dawa, a clandestine Iraqi fundamentalist Moslem organization, claimed responsibility for yesterday’s grenade attack on the British Embassy here in which three gunmen reportedly were killed.

An Al Dawa spokesman told Agence France-Presse by phone that the attack was a “punitive operation against a center of British and American plotters.”

2) Iraq Keeps a Tight Rein on Shiites While Bidding to Win Their Loyalty The Washington Post, November 30, 1982

Membership in Dawa, which means “the call,” is punishable by execution. Dawa guerrillas were known for hurling grenades into crowds during religious ceremonies, and attacks claimed by the party were frequent until the middle of 1980.

3) U.S. HAS LIST OF BOMB SUSPECTS, LEBANESE SAYS Detroit Free Press, October 29, 1983

The source said the drivers of the two bomb-laden trucks were blessed before their mission by Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, leader of the Iranian-backed Dawa Party, a Lebanese Shiite Muslim splinter group.

4) SHULTZ SEES LINK BETWEEN BEIRUT, KUWAIT ATTACKS OFFICIALS IDENTIFY MAN WHO DROVE TRUCK BOMB, The Miami Herald, December 14, 1983

Secretary of State George Shultz said Tuesday that there “quite likely” was a link between the U.S. Embassy bombing in Kuwait and attacks on American facilities in Lebanon. He warned of possible retaliation.

(snip)

The sources said the investigators matched the prints on the fingers with those on file with Kuwaiti authorities and
tentatively identified the assailant as Raed Mukbil, an Iraqi automobile mechanic who lived in Kuwait and was a member of Hezb Al Dawa, a fundamentalist Iraqi Shiite Moslem group based in Iran.

5) KUWAIT NABS 10 SHIITES IN BOMBINGS 7 IRAQIS, 3 LEBANESE ‘ADMIT’ TERROR ATTACKS
The Miami Herald, December 19, 1983

Kuwait Sunday announced the arrests of 10 Shiite Moslems with ties to Iran in the terrorist bombings that killed four people and wounded 66 last week at the U.S. Embassy and other targets.

(snip)

Hussein said fingerprints from the driver who died in the blast at the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait identified him as Raad Akeel al Badran, an Iraqi mechanic who lived in Kuwait and belonged to the Dawa party.

6) 10 Pro-Iranian Shiites Held in Kuwait Bombings, The Washington Post December 19, 1983

Kuwait announced yesterday the arrest of 10 Shiite Moslems with ties to Iran in terrorist bombings that killed four people and wounded 66 last Monday at the U.S. Embassy and other targets.

“All 10 have admitted involvement in the incidents as well as participating in planning the blasts,” Abdul Aziz Hussein, minister of state for Cabinet affairs, told reporters after a Cabinet session, United Press International reported.

Hussein said the seven Iraqis and three Lebanese were members of the Al Dawa party, a radical Iraqi Shiite Moslem group with close ties to Iran.

7) Beirut Bombers Seen Front for Iranian-Supported Shiite Faction, The Washington Post, January 4, 1984

The terrorist group that claimed responsibility for the bombing of the U.S. Marine compound and the French military headquarters here may be a front for an exiled Iraqi Shiite opposition party based in Iran, in the view of a number of Arab and western diplomatic sources.

Authorities in Kuwait say their questioning of suspects in the recent bombing there of the U.S. and French embassies indicates a clear link between Islamic Jihad, a shadowy group that says it carried out the Beirut attacks, and Al Dawa Islamiyah, the main source of resistance to the government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Al Dawa (The Call) has been outlawed in Iraq, where it wants to establish a fundamentalist Islamic state to replace the secular Baath Socialist government of Saddam Hussein, who is a Sunni Moslem.

It draws its strength from the large Shiite population in southern Iraq. Thousands of its most militant members were expelled to Iran in 1980 before the outbreak of the Iranian-Iraqi war and joined Al Dawa there. But it also has a large following in Lebanon among Iraqi exiles and sympathetic Lebanese Shiites.

While Al Dawa operates out of Tehran, it is not clear whether its activities abroad are under direct Iranian control or merely have Iran’s tacit acceptance.

8) Baalbek Seen As Staging Area For Terrorism, The Washington Post, January 9, 1984

Al Dawa, according to Arab and western sources, is believed to have had a role in the Oct. 23 suicide bomb attacks on the U.S. Marine and French military compounds in Beirut.

9) Message From Iran Triggered Bombing Spree In Kuwait, The Washington Post, February 3, 1984

Al Dawa, for example, is no household name in the United States.

But it is a name important to this story.

It leads us back to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the ruling figure in Iran; to Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, the militant Lebanese Shiite leader who has been implicated–despite his denials–in the Marine and French bombings in Beirut; to Hussein Musawi, Fadlallah’s strong-arm lieutenant; to the Hakim brothers in Iran and their connections to the Middle East terrorism industry.


Fate:

Ali,
I pretty much agree with what you say but consider the Germans in America before WW2 who went back to Germany and the ones who stayed in America and supported America. No one wants to see bombs dropped on their former homelands or the heads of their parents. But while many are blaming America for everything wrong in the middle east Ahmadinejad and the revolutionary guard are working hard to prepare for war, and not a war with the US but to build a military to intimidate its neighbors and spread its revolutionary theology.

The question you and others need to consider is not whether you'd support your homeland if it were attacked, its whether you'll support your homeland when it attacks its neighbor or sends its terrorists into other lands to train and commit acts to bring down governments and forment disarray. Just look at Lebanon and the mess Iran helped create through Hizbolah including direct attempts to bring down its government. After all the killing and disarray at Iran's hands, when will you Iranians living in the freedom and comfort of America go back and change things, or support America, instead of blindly supporting Iran's fascist theocracy?

What Ahmadinejad and the ruling mullahs are doing to Iran is just as destructive to Iran as any war yet you sit comfortably in the freedom America guarantees its citizens and tell Americans that you'd fight for a country like Iran against America. Consider that one day you will need to explain to your children just what you were fighting for. I doubt any German who left America and fought for Germany in WW2 is proud of what they did.

An Iranian:

To Fate:
"Than maybe Tehran should consider withdrawing its killing machine from Lebanon, Iraq and other countries where they train killers. Tell you what, you elect peaceful people in Iran and we'll elect peaceful people in America ... oh, forgot, you can't, you need permission from your "democratic" government on who you can elect. "

True, I totally agree , but how do you rationalize American involvement in the same areas? why when US unleashed it's wild israeli dog in the same Lebonan, Iraq, you guys didn't stop your democraticly elected government, or didn't push for peace process and shamlesly killed the time to get as many inocente people get killed as possible?
talking on invovlment, just remember who created Taliban?who founded them? who was the first admninistration to recognize them? American.
do you know how much trouble they have created for Iran?
Iran does not have democary now. that's a fact.it didn't have before Islamic revolution either, that's how the revolution was started, but Iranians are struggling for it for many years now. It had once and guess what? who arranged a coup with British against it? Americans.
And my friend you American have a very shakey democracy now..just review the mc carthy era.. just replace " Terrorism" with " commonism" you see the same " SHOW".
whoever critisizes this administration gets labled as terorist.

Huntsvillian:

Iranians or any other god damn backwarded nation in the world, you better watch out or our troops will make a damn large crater out of your beloved middle east! Now go and brag about your great history and civilization! Aha, and where is that? how come you can only rant about things that happened 2000 years ago? anything more recent? apart from violance, torture and murder *done by your own kind to your own kind*?

If America, Europe and the Soviet Union helped Saddam Hussein to bomb you guys is because they neither liked you nor Hussein, and you guys both were stupid enough to take our weapons, pay us your oil money and then kill each other. If I find a stupid client who pays for my service why not get his money and enjoy?

You guys have a fundamental fault in your cutlure and mentality, and that's why you're bound to get wiped out and eliminated by people who are cleverer than all of you. Perhaps the next generation that grows from the ashes of your bombed state will not inherit your stupidity gene, and will not jail, torture and kill their own kind using other people's weapons.

Ali:

I think some people here didn't get Mr. Derakhshan's point. He is not saying US (or the west in general) is a bad place to live. He may be living outside of Iran because he is criticizing the Iranian government. But his point is that Bush simply cannot bring a better life to the people of Iran. Iraq is a perfect example that you cannot bring a perfect system to another counrty using military force. This was clear to me before the war in Iraq and now the world knows it's true. I am an Iranian living in US by choise because of various reasons. This ia a great country and I have benefited from living here a lot so far. But I also think Iran is better off with what it currently has compared to what Bush can give Iran by attacking it. Of course Iran has a long way to go until it is a perfect place to live. My parents live in Iran and I will also defend my country if some day a full-scale attack occurs.

Michael Foley:

Because you are a terrorist

Fate:

Amir NI wrote:
---I don't want your killing machine in Tehran. Use it elsewhere.---

Than maybe Tehran should consider withdrawing its killing machine from Lebanon, Iraq and other countries where they train killers. Tell you what, you elect peaceful people in Iran and we'll elect peaceful people in America ... oh, forgot, you can't, you need permission from your "democratic" government on who you can elect.

Amir NI:

Dear Common Sense,

I don't know why you brought up the issue of Hizballa, but this is why:

Google {death toll israel lebanon}, feel free to click on any results and you'd find why. In the recent war between Israel and Lebanon, Hizbala killed about 100 people, most of which were soldiers. Israelis, on the other hand, killed more than 900 people, most of which were civilians.

Did you get it? Is this why you brag about the superiority? "it is economically, militarily, socially, and technologically superior ten times over".

I don't want your killing machine in Tehran. Use it elsewhere.

Fate:

Bashir Rategh wrote:
---Notice one point, Hitler was neither Iranian nor a Moslem, he was European and catholic. What an irony?---

Dictators come in all flavors. Its not the religion or culture, its the person. Potential dictators and meglomaniacs exist in all lands. Saddam was muslim right? The question is whether the land has in place the conditions of government to prevent such a person from assending to power. In America you are seeing today how the Congress is thwarting Bush's grab for more power. In Iran its up to the unelected guardian council, 12 people. In America when we saw Bush heading down the wrong road we voted many of his party out of office making him relatively weak today. In Iran we see a small shift in the recent elections but thanks to the control of the guardian council the people most Iranians wanted to vote for were unable to run and crazy Ahmadinejad is still talking about destroying the west. Iran is looking more and more like the old Soviet Union and its Politburo, engineering who will be a leader, only the Soviets didn't pretend they had a democracy and its people definitely understood that.

I think Iranians and Americans want peace, and if our leaders do not agree we in America can do something about our leader. That is the difference between our two countries. Iranians can do little. If Iran starts a war we Americans will now it was not the wish of the Iranian people.

Fate:

Amir NI wrote:
Probably you didn't think about what HoDer said. It is a proven fact that America does not offer freedom to Iranians:
* Do you remember that the Shah (king) of Iran was an ally to US?
* Do you know that the semi-democratic Islamic Republic of Iran is not an ally anymore?
* Do you remember that CIA organized a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government?---

I'm not saying the US is offering anything to Iran except our most heartfelt support for those wishing for freedom within Iran. My point was that if Hossein Derakhshan and others wish to go back to fight for Iran they should understand what they are fighting for. I'm sure in 1938 many Germans went back to Germany to fight for Hitler. Are they proud?

---So, don't be fooled by Bush's nice words: America does not want democracy in Iran; What America wants is only a Puppet. Now that he doesn't have a puppet, he wants to make another Baghdad out of Tehran. And I won't let him.---

I completely understand your position and I don't know of anyone in America who wants to invade Iran. We just see the threats and actions of the Iranian government and are concerned. Invading Iran will solve nothing but threats cannot be ignored either.

---These are these policies that get (and somehow deserve) "death to america", not the American people. Iranians are friendly people, but they will not tolerate such policies.---

Fine, but while you're chanting "death to america" consider what Iran is doing, supporting Hezbollah's disaster in attacking Israel, supplying support for Hamas to not deal with Israel, funneling material and men into Iraq which is killing mostly muslims, and its own suppression of freedom at home. If the US were doing what Iran is doing you'd call it imperialism and meddling in other's affairs. Just because the US meddled in iran in the past does not give Iran a free hand to meddle in other's affairs today nor threaten anyone it wants. If Iran wants peace it can easily have peace. Just because you have an idiot for a leader in Iran does not mean you blindly support him. I do not blindly support Bush, just the opposite. But of course, I won't end up in jail for voicing my opinions here in America. Good luck to those of you in Iran criticizing your leadership.

---Iran's political system may not be a perfect democracy, but it definitely is semi-democratic. And it is absolutely NOT totalitarian.---

It is absolutely totalitarian when the guardian council prevents over 2000 canidates from running in the 2004 election. You cannot bend democracy or have only a piece if it and call it democracy. You cannot have an unelected body decide who can run in an election. The unelected elements in Iran are totalitarian. The elected parts are determined by them. Thats total control and thus totalitarian.

---Whatever we have now is far better than what US wants to bring.---

The US will bring Iran nothing. We know most Iranians were not in agreement with what happened in 1979. We know the revolution was hijacked. We know freedom is being suppressed. We know Iranian democracy is a sham. We'd like to see the Iranians free themselves, but after the barbaric hostage taking in '79 I just don't give a damn about what the Iranians are going through. Nothing personnal. Its like my father who fought in WW2 and afterword would never buy a Japanese car. He didn't hate the Japanese and I don't hate Iranians. One of my best friends comes from Iran. But I really don't want to see the US sink a penny into helping Iran. They made their bed and its up to them to get out of it.

Bashir Rategh:

How is it that killing 1 million Iranian in a war imposed by US over Iran by Sadam Hossein and then backing the killing of Iranian innocents is never mentioned as genocide. For those who do not know of such a thing because US propaganda machine never mentioned that once Sadam was on trial, it goes back to 1980-1988. During this time western countries lead by US and Israel sold weapon of mass destruction to that tyrant, the first time chemical weapon was used against humanity. They backed Sadam financially, politically and boosted his arsenal to slaughter

Where were you at that time and why this holocaust still not being considered even for a tiny bit in the western media?

How about banning Iranian the right to have steal mills because they "might" or may be "you thinl" they use that steal to create knives and kill people with that. This is really preposterous to ban a country for something we think is doing or ban it from the rights it has. Just because we think

Don't Iranian deserve the right to exist? Shouldn't UN punish the countries that proudly created and sold and used those weapons to be used against Iran
Shouldn't US and west be punished for broadly and proudly threatening to attack a sovereign country with nuclear weapon? Don't you think before it is too late like the case with Iraq, a UN resolution should be passed stop these acts and the preventing the slaughtering of the Iranians?

This is the new era of fascism imposed on Iranian this time by US and west

Notice one point, Hitler was neither Iranian nor a Moslem, he was European and catholic. What an irony?


Common Sense:

People need to take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming the West for creating a situation in which they will kill each other. Here is something to enrage you anti-Americans the west does know more then the middle east! That's why it is economically, militarily, socially, and technologically superior ten times over. To claim otherwise in some fog of relativism is the very definition of a waste of time. If these nations were capable of peacefully advancing they would never be in a position to be preyed upon by the big bad empire a.k.a. the free world. Double standards seem to be the only thing that authors like Derakshan can create. If Hezbollah attacks indiscriminately and Israel's response kills a single civilian Israel is the bad guy, ridiculous, just plain stupid really!

Ramin:


To all the hypocrite iranians posting pro-mullah comments, i have a statement to make; if you guys want to stop the impending war on the islamo fascist republic of iran, why dont you all go back to iran and encourage the people over there to overthrow the mullahcracy. This will result in NO attacks, NO deaths and NO destruction of OUR homeland!!

Arian:

To OLD ATLANTIC

Hossein Derakhshan:
((If the U.S. waged a war against Iran, I'd absolutely go back and defend Iran. I can't let myself to sit down for a moment and watch America make a Baghdad out of Tehran.
Fortunately, I'm not alone.))


WE Iranian don't need to go back iran to defend
our Country where we can easily fight back from here. If fire starts, every one will get hurt.

Mohammad:

Well, Mr. Derakhshan says he cannot sit down and watch American TV while they bomb Tehran. How do you think people of Lebanon or Iraq felt when the bombs started falling on their cities? The non-ending war that this administration started about 5 years ago has numbed our collective consciousness to the point where we have become mere spectators to the atrocities and adventurism of the Empire. You saw all the millions of people who marched the streets and tried to stop the war on Iraq. Do you see the same kind of movement against this war? People might say what's the point? This administration doesn't listen to anybody: apparently not even to their own politicians. So we have become spectators. As for choosing between Khamenei and Bush, I think I choose President Ahmadinejad.

Amir NI:

Dear Fate:
Probably you didn't think about what HoDer said. It is a proven fact that America does not offer freedom to Iranians:
* Do you remember that the Shah (king) of Iran was an ally to US?
* Do you know that the semi-democratic Islamic Republic of Iran is not an ally anymore?
* Do you remember that CIA organized a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government?

So, don't be fooled by Bush's nice words: America does not want democracy in Iran; What America wants is only a Puppet. Now that he doesn't have a puppet, he wants to make another Baghdad out of Tehran. And I won't let him.

These are these policies that get (and somehow deserve) "death to america", not the American people. Iranians are friendly people, but they will not tolerate such policies.

Iran's political system may not be a perfect democracy, but it definitely is semi-democratic. And it is absolutely NOT totalitarian.

Whatever we have now is far better than what US wants to bring.

Think Reverse:

Imagine this:

India (the biggest democracy in the world) moves half of its navy to the international waters around east and west coasts of the United States. Their goal is to stop US military actions around the world, to liberate the American people from the violant environment they live in (50,000 murders every year), and to rid the world from the dangers of the largest repository of nuclear weapons. Australia and Japan and Spain have expressed their support for the action. The UN has given America a deadline to dismantle all its nuclear arsenal or to face international action.

An Iranian:

Can't you see?everyone on this list has one thing in common: hating mullas, as an Iranian who lives abroad, I assure you that the islamic government is not popular,not even inside Iran, BUT we do not want or need or ALLOW any foreign country to decide for us. I beleive what Hossein means of taking Khamenei's side over Bush( which I'd do the same) is refusing the foregin force.
There are so many democratic movements started in Iran, just in the last century Iran has passed 3 major revolutions that were all changed the world: Oil Revolution, Constitutional Revolution, and the last one which was hijacked by mullas. what made them stable was Iran/Iraq war.thanks to Amercian idiots
can't you see? another attack willl unite all of us, we'd let mullas stay and will fight you back. we have to, if you leave us alone and mind your own damn business, we Iranian know how to get to democracy with no blood.

Protector:

To Craig and other with the same line of thoughts: Americans like all other civilized nations have done great sacrifice to achieve the freedoms we enjoy today, they spent their life and energy trying to wipe out illiteracy, backwardedness, dictatorship, ignorance and so forth. Our forefathers did NOT go all around the globe waging wars on people to achieve their freedom. That's the business of pirates, not civilized nations.

A bunch of well-known businessmen want to make money out of international conflicts. I won't send my kid to far godforsaken lands to help them fill their pockets. I'd rather bring up my kid as an astronaut and encourage him to continue our brave American tradition of pushing the limits and boundaries of science.

Attacking and killing other people on the other side of the planet is not something to be proud of. There are so many better ways we can spend our time, money and lives.

pappy:

Great premiss to generate a lot of emotional responses. Still a very lame article.

Fate:

Amir NI wrote:
---I'd go back and defend my motherland. I may not like to mullahs, but I am definitely proud of my heritage and country. I'll fight for my land's freedom.---

Anyone would fight to defend their land but in a theoritical war between Iran and the US land would not be the issue. And what freedom are you talking about defending in Iran? Maybe you should ask the thousands arrested in 1999 and 2003.

---We, Iranians, may have internal problems, but against an enemy who harmed Iran's democracy some 50 years ago, we are all united.---

Yes, please, fight for your freedoms, but it isn't America that is limiting freedom in Iran today, it is Iran's wonderful revolutionary theocratic government. Why hate America when the current Iranian government limits freedom? Maybe Iran's indoctrination of "Death to America" worked? Maybe the classic totalitarian method of retaining power, maintaining a threat from abroad, has worked in Iran. If such a totalitarian government can get Iranians, who have live with the freedom America offers, to defend its freedom limiting totalitarian government, well, I guess their plan worked.

Craig:

Hundereds of thousands of brave American men died so we could all have the oppurtunities and freedoms we have today. How dare you come over and reap those benefits and then speak negatively about america. If you'd go back to Iran to fight for them, then go back now, because if you cant fight for this country you have no business being here

An Iranaian Mullah:

For Iranians Who want to go to Iran and defend it.

If you were so brave, you didn''t left Iran and stayed there and fight for your rights with mullahs.

Motorvator:

The United States is UNABLE to wage a full-scale war over Iran. Look at the state of the American military forces: A military force that was setup to confront the super army of the USSR, is now unable to defend itself in the two most miserable countries in the world, namely Afghanistan and Iraq.

Two aircraft carriers and a set of military ships do not pose a serious threat to Iran. They might be able to undertake a number of air raids over targets in the country and kill people, but the Iranian military has control over more than a 1000 km of Persian Gulf shore with countless numbers of hidden or mobile bases scattered all around the region. The Iranian fire power and maneuverability is far greater than what the limited US navy can withstand. Moreover, Iranian influence in the region means they can easily threaten all American bases all around west Asia.

A possible stupid move to attack Iran only means human losses on both sides and the best chance for fusion of extrimism in the most pro-democracy secular-minded pro-west country in the region.

Parsa:

It's absolutely ridiculous that the US -- the only country who has used Nukes over civilian targets, not even once but twice -- is talking about stopping Iran accessing enrichment technology?

It's absolutely ridiculous that Pakistan -- the biggest source of extrimism, fanaticism, and the biggest hotbed of terrorists in the region -- is not only a friend of the US but also allowed to produce and keep nuclear weapons.

It's absolutely ridiculous that Iran -- which has not invaded any country in the past 300 years -- is considered "dangerous" but Israel who has been invading and killing innocent civilians and occupying neighbour's lands and violating UN resolutions, is considered a peaceful democracy and allowed to possess nuclear arsenal.

pedram:

I am an Iranian and pride to be...If US or Israel attack Iran...God knows,the both countries will regret.
The history tells us that Iran has never ,ever attacked any country sofar...but always defended herself so fiercely...So my advise to President Bush and the leader of the occupied land is...HANDS OFF OF IRAN

Siamak (Germany):

There is absolutely no question that I'd be back. We won't let a recovering alcoholic Texan clown and his BDSM master the Big Dick, repeat what America did to us in 1953.

WE WILL MAKE SURE AMERICANS PAY A HEFTY PRICE. I mean hefty, we have resources, financially and logisitcally all over the world including inside America.

If Iran attacked, I will promise you that Tel Aviv would be smoked in less than a day. Attack us we will make sure those AK 103 will be put in a good use. Assasination of every single American government official will be of highest priority. Do you really think any US embassies/consulate/business attache/Haliburton offices would be safe after such aggression?

Iranians around the world won't sit down and watch their homeland destroyed in a war financed by AIPAC! trust me on this one.

Hamid:

I would go back to defend my country against any aggressor, US, UK or Israel.

It's a proven fact that US foreign policy is mostly influenced by AIPAC - ready Israel lobby by two distinguished professors of political science.

The sad irony here is that US is the harbinger of this so called democracy building crap. Let's not forget which country dropped atomic bomb first?

United States should by now understand that it's hegemony is over. We live in multipolar world and Iran is and will be THE MAJOR PLAYER in the Middle East. Don't like it, tough like!

Amir NI:

I'd go back and defend my motherland. I may not like to mullahs, but I am definitely proud of my heritage and country. I'll fight for my land's freedom.

We, Iranians, may have internal problems, but against an enemy who harmed Iran's democracy some 50 years ago, we are all united.

Fate:

Fonzie wrote:
---The fate of Iran and Iraq cannot be separated. The leaders of Iraq are aligned with Iran and/or Syria and vice versa.---

I'm not so sure. I'm not saying you're wrong, but there are a lot of differences between the Iraqis and Iranians culturally and ethnically. I don't see much alignment of the populations but again I'm not sure. And if these new leaders interests carried Iraq and Iran close together, I think you'd see many in Iraq resist based on their differences, the main one being Arab culture versus Persian culture.

---The leaders of Iraq and Iran are simply using America and Americans to prop up their burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic.---

The Kurds will never agree with an Islamic republic in Iraq nor will the Sunnis and I doubt the majority of Shiites would be behind it. If such a thing ever happened it could only happen by the three groups splitting and the Shiite part of Iraq aligning with Iran, but this will only lead to a wider war as other Sunni nations step in to support the Iraqi Sunnis. I don't think Iran wants such an outcome.

---So, if you are so concerned about Iran attacking Israel, so should you perhaps also be concerned about Iraq's complicity and support in that potential attack.---

Israel again. Why are so many of you on this blog infatuated with Israel? I am not concerned with Iran attacking Israel since it would be suicide.

The topic of this discussion is the US and Iran at war. You may not distinguish the two but there is a large difference in the two scenarios. But what you should be more concerned with is Jordan and Saudi attacking Iran if it ever moved its troops into Iraq to support the Iraqi government as you suggest. America would be there too as would many other nations. If that's Iran's game then it is a most dangerous game. I would think if the Iranians played it carefully the most they can expect without war is an Iraq that is friendly to Iran but non-Islamic and soveriegn. And I do not think the Iranian government wants war since it is already on shaky ground with its people.

---Why are you so unconcerned about the leaders of Iraq using America and Americans to prop up their burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic?---

I'm not so concerned because if Iran helped set up an Iraqi Islamic republic a 100 year war would break out with most of the world against both the Iraqi government and Iran, and Iran knows it, which is why it won't happen, which is why I'm so unconcerned.

Fate:

Answer wrote:
---Answer to Fate above 4:33. Do you think you fool anyhone abourt what and who you are ethnically?---

I'm trying to fool people who I am ethnically? You sound paranoid, but if you must know I'm American. What's your point? What's your ethnicity and why should I care?

---Do you know whether Israel HAS a constitution?---

I assume they do but I really don't care right now since we're discussing Iran.

---Do a little homework.And let's have your denial again about Israel bombing Iran...---

I've asked a few times for anyone who knows about this bombing of the Becca Valley in Iran that the posters "Disgusting" and "Correction Correction" stated above. First of all the Becca Valey is in Syria, which in case you're not aware, is not Iran. So ALL I'm asking is for some clarification. If it was a mistake, fine but there seems to be a few of you inisting it happened. Please provide some information.

---You just mouth off. Blasthing anything Arab. You know nothing.---

I bashed Arabs? What Arabs? I mouthed off? I know nothing? Well, e x c u s e ME! I've done nothing of the sort. I've explained the Iranian government to people who believe it is a democracy, which it is far from. I've explained the Becca Valley is not in Iran, but no one cares as they continue to insist Israel bombed the Becca Valley in Iran!

Now, PLEASE tell me when Israel bombed Iran ... I'd really like to know!

Mike J:

Read this sort of thing day after day and then imagine Iran with nuclear weapons.

How long before we see mushromm clouds over Tel Aviv and New York City?

This kind of cowardly slaughter is beneath the animals. At least animals have instincts and a reason to kill; usually to survive.

This wanton murder of humans by another human for political reasons is beyond civilized. It is absolute and unjustifiable savagery.

"Suicide bomber attacks funeral procession, killing 7 persons"

By Bushra Juhi
ASSOCIATED PRESS
February 20, 2007

3:18 p.m.
BAGHDAD -- A suicide bomber struck a funeral in Baghdad today, killing at least seven people as militants show increasing defiance to a major security operation in the capital.

The attacker, wearing a belt packed with explosives, followed a funeral procession into a tent before detonating the blast in a mostly Shi'ite district of eastern Baghdad, police said. At least 15 people were injured.

Tirade:

I 100 percent agree with Mr. Derakhshan. Iran has every right to develop nuclear weapons. They are an oil producing nation whose borders are surrounded by US presence. They are in close proximity to other nuclear powers such as Russia, Israel, and India. Who can blame them for wanting some sort of defense when the most recent Iraq war has shown us just how little justification we need to use military action? Much like in the case with North Korea, perhaps Iran's success in developing technology will force us to seriously use the diplomacy option rather than shooting first and asking questions later.

Mike J:

This is not really a thread about Islam, but it is certainly relevant.

To any Muslims who care to respond, I have a few questions. Please forgive any misspellings or misinterpretations but you should get the idea.

Is it true or false that any non-believer is Dhimmi and must convert, pay tribute, or die?

Is a true believer of Islam allowed to, really, tolerate non-believers? In other words, can a true believer of Islam live in peace side by side with Jews, Christians, Hindus, atheists, or whomever?

Is Sharia Law the goal for all people?

Is Democracy, which is based on the idea that all people are equals (including women being equal with men), compatible with Islam? Put another way, do Muslims really believe that non-believers are not equals which makes Democracy impossible?

How do any of us know that the answers given are true and not Taqiya? There seem to more than one word that describes the concept that a Muslim can deceive to further his faith.

Please enlighten us...

MikeB:

To The ignorant clodhoppers on the right -
I'd like to take this opportunity to clear up a few simply outrageous statements being tossed around as fact by the more ignorant amoungst you. First off, following 9-11 the Iranian government not only sympathy for that tragedy, but they provided logistical support, including overflights of U.S. planes bound for Afghanistan. They also have consistently captured and imprisoned both Taliban and Al Qaida members. The used to turn them over to the U.S. until it was discovered that we tortured them to death. Now, they merely imprison them. Iran also helped us locate Taliban forces and significantly helped keep our casualties low. They even encouraged and aided in the establishment of the democratic government and election in Afghanistan. They made overtures to the U.S. government at the highest levels, seeking to establish better, even normalized, relations. Their payment for this? Whack job Connie Rice included a line in Bush's state of the union address, calling them a part of the "Axis of Evil".

In other words, clodhoppers, Iran went out of its way to help us! To befriend us! Their overtures weren't just spurned, we threatened to attack them and threatened the legitimately elected government of that country with "regime change". Now Iran has good reason to fear the U.S. We overthrew their government and installed the Shaw and even trained and equipped his secret police. The practitioners of Shia Islam were murdered, round up and tossed into prison, and, yes, even gassed. All of this supplied by and with the support of the U.S. George Bush is merely continuing a whole series of mistakes made by the gray men, the corporate swine and professional political twits, who preceded him.

Now I know full well that Bush is a fanatic and is self destructive and delusional. That doesn't give him or you an excuse to simply blow up an entire people to satiate you paranoid world view. If, by the grace of God, we can somehow survive Bush and you, consigning the lot of you to the garbage heap of humanity, just maybe some politician with brains and a sense of dignity might just accept one of those offers of friendship from Iran and we can actually achieve some sort of understanding and step back from the abbys.

Fonzie:

FATE: Because Iraq is not threatening Israel nor is Iraq the country Hossein Derakhshan said he would go to defend. I'd rather discuss Iraq on another blog since I do not see its relevence here. Maybe you ought to explain why Iraq is an issue in Hossein Derakhshan's reasoning to defend Iran if the US were to attack.

The fate of Iran and Iraq cannot be separated.

The leaders of Iraq are aligned with Iran and/or Syria and vice versa.

The leaders of Iraq and Iran are simply using America and Americans to prop up their burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic.

So, if you are so concerned about Iran attacking Israel, so should you perhaps also be concerned about Iraq's complicity and support in that potential attack.

No?

Why are you so unconcerned about the leaders of Iraq using America and Americans to prop up their burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic?


answer:

Answer to Fate above 4:33. Do you think you fool anyhone abourt what and who you are ethnically? Do you know whether Israel HAS a constitution? Do a little homework.And let's have your denial again about Israel bombing Iran...
You just mouth off. Blasthing anything Arab. You know nothing.

Fate:

CORRECTION, CORRECTION wrote:
---ISRAEL BOMBED THE BECCA VALLEY IN IRAN IN 1982. Delighted to take this opportunity to UNDERLINE the message above with this correction.---

And where is the Becca Valley located again? Iran? Better check your geography before using capital letters.

Now where in Iran did Israel bomb? Ever?

I'll just add your own words:
"I THNK YOU SHOULD SHUT UP UNTIL YOU DO A LITTLE BASIC HOMEWORK. OR KNOW EVEN VERY RECENT HISTORY."

Thor:

Who is this SICK, Dumb as an ox bastard, that would take the clown that h as OPPRESSED iran for decades and RUINED its economy over the LIBERATOR of Iraq and the eliminator of the accursed TAliban?

Is this "agent provocateur" a total moron OR is he JOKING?

And What the hell are the editors of the Wash post doing having this creature featured here? He belongs to the NATIONAL ENQUIRER alingside with the three headed alien baby Rosie O Donnel gave birth to recently. It's JUST as believable (or not)

Fate:

Constitution Expert wrote:
---FATE: You purport to be so knowledgable about the Iran constitution. Let's hear about Israel's constitution? Give a big explanation why not.---

Why is Israel's constitution relevent? Is everything in your mind measured against Israel? Why is it that when we talk about Iran Israel is automatically brought up. Its a non-sequitor in this discussion.

CORRECTION, CORRECTION :

ISRAEL BOMBED THE BECCA VALLEY IN IRAN IN 1982. Delighted to take this opportunity to UNDERLINE
the message above with this correction.

sammer muhammad:

Lol. Would all non muslems please stop telling everyone else what Islam stands for? The Koran does not need to be interpreted by terrorists or crazy non muslems too. Islam stands for peace unless attacked. Its as simple as that. Just like all other religious texts, when you are attacked you are allowed to fight. Nothing more and nothing less.
In regards to Iran, if Israel is allowed to have nukes and America is allowed to use them, why isnt Iran allowed to make some? Even though the IAEA has said there is no evidence Iran is trying to make a nuke, Israel and its puppet America are saying No. Who made them the worlds police?
Too all the hillbillies in the states who think America can beat Iran, you did a hell of a job in your last three wars. Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Utter victory lol. I feel bad for the troops and civilians who lost their lives in vain.
Iraq is now part of Iran. Everyone knows it. America cant admit it.
Iran wishes to thank the current U.S. administration for increasing its borders. We thank you!
Al Qaeda wishes to thank the current administration for allowing it a new base. Anbar Province. Where coincidentally many U.S troops have sadly seen a horrible fate thanks to the warmonger Bush. Alqaeda thanks you.
And to the american people, please do not allow yourselves to be duped with more bad intelligence that some Zionist american politicians will no doubt feed you so you'll want to go to war to defend Israel again. Need proof? Paul wolfowitz and Richard perle, architects of the Iraq war, are Jewish Zionists.
Americans fight wars for Israel. It is a shame.

DISGUSTING:

FATE! ISRAEL BOMBED THE BECCA VALLEY IN IRAN IN 1990. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT MAJOR, SALIENT FACT, I THNK YOU SHOULD SHUT UP UNTIL YOU DO A LITTLE BASIC HOMEWORK. OR KNOW EVEN VERY RECENT HISTORY.

catalina:

If Iran and the rest of the middle east is this wonderful paradisde why do the murders continue at this non stop pace? Why does the so called religion of peace practice such hatred towards the rest of the world. If that area of the world is full of peace loving peoplethan why are they leaving when given the chance? Finally what will they ever do to overcome the societal self hatred they seem to relish in?

constitution expert:

FATE: You purport to be so knowledgable about the Iran constitution. Let's hear about Israel's constitution? Give a big explanation why not.

AMviennaVA:

Tariq: The WHITE man is evil? I was not aware that the other races existed in an earthly paradise.

I'll grant you that the WHITE man insisted on ending slavery, though it still takes place in some parts of Africa (at least).

I'll also grant you that the WHITE man every once in a while insists on elections, and the like. (To be sure, sometimes we don;t like the results). But I can understand why the benign and benevolent rulers of Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, China, and other wonderful places would object to that.

Silly me, all along I thought it was human nature!

MikeB:

Fate - As a typical right wing whack job you even managed to get your joke mixed up. The drunken woman was sitting next to Winston Churchill at a dinner party. She said, "Winston, you're drunk" and Winston Churchill replied, "Yes, Lady ____, but tomorrow I will be sober and you will still be ugly."

Iranian posters appear on these forums all of the time. They are quite fearless in questioning their government and criticize their popularly elected President without fear. The religious whack jobs there exercise less power than our own religious whack jobs. The President and representative at every level of government are popularly elected in Iran. They are not and cannot be "vetoed" by the religious leaders except insofar as they influence their followers to vote against them. Sounds rather much like James Dobson and similar wingnuts over here.

Like it or not, spin it any way you like, Iran *IS* a democracy and the leaders of Iran are popularly elected. Iranian foreign and domestic policies reflect the will of the majority of Iranian people. If you don't like their way of thinking, fine, just say so. But simply becasue they don't see the world you do DOES NOT give you the right to incinerate them.

expady:

Mr. Derakshan is free to support any side he likes but don't think there will be any winners if the U.S. attacks Iran.

Fate:

Tariq wrote:
---America has lost its moral compass. It has suffered tremendous loss of prestige.
Will someone restore its greatness and respect amongst the comity of nations. I pray.---

America has not lost its moral compass. The American constitution remains unchanged and it is the heart of the US's moral compass. Our leaders certainly have lost their moral bearings and you need to separate the two as I separate the Iranian government and its beligerency from the Iranian people. Have you read the Iranian constitution? Have you read the Constitution of the USA? Maybe if you did you'd see which stands for everything Islam and which stands for liberty. You'd see which allows only certain religions to exist and which has freedom of any religion. You only have to look at the people of both nations and their aspirations to see which people are living under a system they respect even though at this point in time both nations are being ruled by idiots.

Consider this joke: 'A drunk man bumps into a woman in a bar and says to her "Madam, you are ugly" to which the woman responds "Why I never ... You're drunk!" to which the man responds "Yes, but I'll be sober in the morning".'

America is already sobering up. Iranians however will have the ugliness of their revolutionary government which has this in Article 14 of its constitution:

"Article 14
In accordance with the sacred verse; ("God does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with those who have not fought against you because of your religion and who have not expelled you from your homes" [60:8]), the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and all Muslims are duty-bound to treat non-Muslims in conformity with ethical norms and the principles of Islamic justice and equity, and to respect their human rights. This principle applies to all who refrain from engaging in conspiracy or activity against Islam and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

Note that last sentence... Guess which is more important in the Iranian constitution, human rights or the Iranian government? In America we say that voicing dissenting opinions of the government is not just a right, it is patriotic. In Iran it is a crime.

In 2009 Bush will be gone, another president will be in charge and take an oath to the American constitution. In Iran, the 12 people in the Guradian council will be pulling all the strings of government. I pray that Iran becomes a democracy which it now only pretends to be. God knows the Iranian people want it.

Tariq:


The bottom line in the entire story is that the white man is evil. He invents the truth. He spins the facts.
As someone from a former British colony I have in my life witnessed enough and yet I keep telling my self it cannot be true. I know some wonderful white folks. I know they have done some wonderful things for mankind.
Most important they have rule of law and due process (some of it has evaporated since 9/11).
But few condemn its military+industrial agenda.
Some like Herman Melville are lauded as great authors but their message is relegated to the dust bin. Jesus is said to be in every mans heart but his message is not.
Actually I think SANTA CLAUS has replaced Jesus as the symbol of Christmas in this christian nation.
And America has replaced the British Empire (against which it fought).
They go into a country destabilise it and then say look at the natives how savage they are.
Their rulers are tyrants.
But all these tyrants are fine as long as they serve America. Starting with Saddam who was an American pawn they used to attack Iran.
There is a long list of such tyrants- is long and boring. This exactly what the British used to do in India. Creat a civil war and then finally break up the Subcontinent and leave enough problems behind that will keep them fighting for ever.
America has lost its moral compass. It has suffered tremendous loss of prestige.
Will someone restore its greatness and respect amongst the comity of nations. I pray.

erinther:

sorry for typying mistake. the link is:
http://blogcritics.weblogs.us

erinther:

Dear Dave,
Don't take Hossein's takes on Iran's right to have Nukes seriously. see what he has written here
(http://i.hoder.com/archives/2006/03/060301_015053.shtml)
"A creative way for Iranian women to get the permission to go to the stadium to watch football games is by suggesting Ali Larijani that if they were allowed in, they'd loudly and massivly support Iran's nuclear program. Now that they need public support, we can demand some changes".
Read that now consider that Hoder, being jobless (and unfortunately homeless) and after that all his projects failed to get fund, and thus missing the chance to a better life than living out of others handouts, he leads the same policy: defend Iran's nuclear program loudly, perhpas the doors of financial support will be opened!
Good luck Hossein!
More here: http://blocritics.weblogs.us

erinther:

""Islamic Republic and Khamenei's worst is way better than anything that the United States or the European Union can bring to Iran..."

Interesting. But dear Hossein what aboiut this:
"To be honest, it's not the bombs that endanger the region. It's the undemocratic, threatening regime of Iran that makes any technology dangerous, let alone nuclear ones.
So, please, instead of putting all your energy on stopping Iran, channel all your resources to make this regime change its behavior..."(http://hoder.com/weblog/archives/014875.shtml)
and:
"Many of Iranian anti-war activists, for whatever reason, forget one side of the story and only attack the Bush administration. As if the other side, Khamanei, runs the most democratic, transparent and accountable country in the world."
(http://hoder.com/weblog/archives/015185.shtml).

Fate:

Fonzie wrote:
---The ruling parties in the Iraqi government cannot be separted from Iran. Since Iraq is now basically a burgeoning vassal state of Iran, Israel is in a greater jeopardy now. Thus, why are you not also focused on Iraq?---

Because Iraq is not threatening Israel nor is Iraq the country Hossein Derakhshan said he would go to defend. I'd rather discuss Iraq on another blog since I do not see its relevence here. Maybe you ought to explain why Iraq is an issue in Hossein Derakhshan's reasoning to defend Iran if the US were to attack.

German Voice:

ANONYMOUS, wieso glaubst du, dass ich kein Deutscher bin?

Well, if someone do not know anything about the government of Iran, how can he say that Iran isn't a threat? Currently, there are up to 30.000 Republican Guardsmen in Iraq in order to fight U.S. troops. In addition, there are thousands of them around the world in order to kill Iranians such as 'Ahmed Salman Rushdie'. Wouldn't you say that Iran is a threat? Come on! Be serious.

Sure, Iran is a threat for all people around the world - not only for the Iranians! Maybe, you're too young to know that. Just read all the United Nation 'Human Rights/Security Council' reports/resolutions - then you get it. Another good source is http://www.ncr-iran.org/

Inform yourself and let me know your new opinion about Iran. Thanks in advance.

Fate:

Y-5 wrote:
---The comments above only show the intolerance that has poisoned the air: it is always a win-lose scenario. Just confrontation, no listening, no discussion or a will for compromise, meeting each other in the middle or splitting the difference.---

Compromise comes with understanding which comes from discussion. We're at the discussion phase so you should not expect comprimise right now. Why not say what you think on this topic and we'll discuss it instead of making a sweeping statement which adds nothing to the discussion?

Fonzie:

FATE: So what. What has that to do with Iran's lack of a democracy? [snip] MikeB said Iran is a democracy. I pointed out it is not. I'm not sure what your point is. What has anything in Iraq have to do with Iran?

Bush's forcing of the reins of power into the hands of the pro-Iranian Al-Dawa and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq changed everything.

Obviously, Iran's lack of a democracy goes hand in hand Iraq's lack of democracy vis-a-vis the pro-Iranian Al-Dawa and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (sic!!).

The ruling parties in the Iraqi government cannot be separted from Iran.

Since Iraq is now basically a burgeoning vassal state of Iran, Israel is in a greater jeopardy now.

Thus, why are you not also focused on Iraq?


Y-5:

The comments above only show the intolerance that has poisoned the air: it is always a win-lose scenario. Just confrontation, no listening, no discussion or a will for compromise, meeting each other in the middle or splitting the difference.

Human beings boast that they have advanced and are more mature than their barbarian cousins of 3000 years ago. Comments above seem to negate that argument.

Dave!:

Hossein Derakhshan
Interesting but to me after reading it, i have a lot more questions than this piece answers.

"Islamic Republic and Khamenei's worst is way better than anything that the United States or the European Union can bring to Iran."
Your article provides no rationale as to why you think this, other than the Tehran/Baghdad comment. And i'm not sure how valid a comparison that is given that Baghdad is so divided between Sunnis and Shiites and the major problem there is the civil war. I am not sure if Iran is the same but it seems that it is mostly Shiites and the threat of civil war would be much less. Don't take this to mean that i am advocating the US attach Iran (i'm not). I am just trying to understand your position which i think the article failed to express adequately.

"I believe Negri and Hardt are right to suggest that the new Empire, the United States, applies its dominance through supposedly neutral International organizations." Well if that were the case, it would be the UN in Iraq instead of the "go it alone" US. If Iran does not like the treaty they signed, they should withdrawl from it. If you are going to be a member, stop whining and live up to the agreement.

The major issue i have with your position is when you state "I believe Iran has to produce weapons as deterrent after making peace with Israel." Deterrent from what? And producing nukes will come a lot sooner than peace with Israel, if history servers as a guidepost.

I realize that there do appear to be double standards (Pakistan/India come to mind), but the overwhelming majority of countries in the world don't seem to have a problem with that or the fact that they don't have nuclear weapons. The world has been very lucky so far - as the number of nations having nukes grows, the chances for them to be used grows also. Iran in particular and the ME in general seem to think that becoming a nuclear power somehow solves your problems. It doesn't. It may give you different standing in the world community, but your existing problems remain and you have added responsibilities/additional problems.

Old Atlantic:

Israel: 10:42 AM, Is the real enemy Virgil Goode?

Fate:

Israel wrote:
---Iran shold get rid of it's nukes when the savage warmongering Israelis gets rid of theirs. Not a moment before.---

In case you didn't know ... Iran is threatening countries before it has nukes while Israel had nukes and never threatened another country with them, even keeping the fact they had nukes a top secret, unlike Iran which before it has nukes boasts it plans to use them. The difference in willingness to openly threaten other countries should not be ignored.

---Iran hasn't threatened the United States, only Israel which bombed them in the last decade..and constantly screams for the US to bomb them again.---

When and where did Israel bomb Iran?

Israel:

A reasonable person can only hope that the
stupidly belligerant posters above are the program driven same old same old chat room posters and not a real segment of Americans.
We have fallen so far, so fast, in only six years, perhaps that's overly optimistic.
Iran hasn't threatened the United States, only Israel which bombed them in the last decade..and constantly screams for the US to bomb them again.
Olmert made an official trip here to yell for it)
Like Iran should just sit there and take it?
Iran shold get rid of it's nukes when the savage warmongering Israelis gets rid of theirs. Not a moment before.

Fate:

Fonzie wrote:
---Perhaps the Iranians should look to the model democracy thriving in Iraq, i.e. the one for which oceans of American blood and treasure are being spilled?---

Hardly.

---Right now, Abdel Aziz al-Hakim’s Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and Al-Maliki's Al-Dawa have the most power in Iraq.---

So what. What has that to do with Iran's lack of a democracy?

---Are you trying to say that these parties and men are interested in Western democratic values?---

No.

---Are you trying to say that these parties and men are simply going to forget about the last ***few decades*** in which they have tried to tranform a `secular Iraq' into an Islamic fundamentalist republic?---

No. Maybe you missed my point. MikeB said Iran is a democracy. I pointed out it is not. I'm not sure what your point is. What has anything in Iraq have to do with Iran?

Fonzie:

Fate: It is not a democracy.

Perhaps the Iranians should look to the model democracy thriving in Iraq, i.e. the one for which oceans of American blood and treasure are being spilled?

Right now, Abdel Aziz al-Hakim’s Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and Al-Maliki's Al-Dawa have the most power in Iraq.

Are you trying to say that these parties and men are interested in Western democratic values?

Are you trying to say that these parties and men are simply going to forget about the last ***few decades*** in which they have tried to tranform a `secular Iraq' into an Islamic fundamentalist republic?

Again.....

Iraq: Bush’s Islamic Republic
By Peter W. Galbraith
NYRB, Volume 52, Number 13 · August 11, 2005

SCIRI and Dawa want Iraq to be an Islamic state. They propose to make Islam the principal source of law, which most immediately would affect the status of women. For Muslim women, religious law—rather than Iraq’s relatively progressive civil code—would govern personal status, including matters relating to marriage, divorce, property, and child custody. A Dawa draft for the Iraqi constitution would limit religious freedom for non-Muslims, and apparently deny such freedom altogether to peoples not “of the book,” such as the Yezidis (a significant minority in Kurdistan), Zoroastrians, and Bahais.

This program is not just theoretical. Since Saddam’s fall, Shiite religious parties have had de facto control over Iraq’s southern cities. There Iranian-style religious police enforce a conservative Islamic code, including dress codes and bans on alcohol and other non-Islamic behavior. In most cases, the religious authorities govern—and legislate—without authority from Baghdad, and certainly without any reference to the freedoms incorporated in Iraq’s American-written interim constitution—the Transitional Administrative Law (TAL).

Anonymous:

'German Voice': It is obvious that you are not German. So who are you?

"Just move to Iran ..." How immature can you be?

"it's time to nuke Iran ..." And you think that Iran is the threat?

Fate:

MikeB wrote:
---But I am simply amazed at how shallow and stupid and just plain ignorant most of the right wing posts are here. I don't think one of them realizes that Iran is a democracy and that your President, whom they hate so much, was popularly elected; that the Iranian people voted for reprsentatives who will push the western hated nuclear programs; that the Iranian people detest the Israeli's. It's a *democracy*, and in many ways more a representative democracy than the one we have here in the U.S.---

It is not a democracy. Anyone who looks at Iran's governmental structure could not call it a democracy. Start you education here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Iran
and note the graphic showing the "Elected" and "Unelected" parts of the Iranian government. Then look and see which has power over the other. According to current election laws, the Guardian Council oversees and approves electoral candidates. I'm sorry but a totalitarian government with a democratic fascade is not a democracy. Call it what it is, a totalitarian theocratic government. Even the Iranians know this. They live in it every day and hate it.

Fate:

Derakhshan wrote:
---And I'm saying this as a well-traveled Atheist who enjoys his best days of life in the wonderful capitals of Europe and who dreams of a secular Iran, run by a totally open democracy, with total peace with its neighbors including Israel.---

Upon landing in Tehran to defend it you would not make it more than 20 feet before you were arrested for atheism. Atheists under Islamic law do not have "the right to life ". They are to be killed. According to Islamic culture, sins are divided into great sins and little sins. Among the seventeen great sins, unbelief is the greatest, more heinous than murder, theft, adultery and so on.

And you do not understand democracy. You may hate Bush but I'll bet I hate him more. Yet I'd die for America not because I love Bush but because I love its democracy. I KNOW that America is great because of its laws and democracy, not because Bush is its leader. You may love Iran, its land, its people, its culture, but you would not be fighting for that because in a war with the US none of that would be targeted. The government and its army would be targeted, the government you say you do not support. By supporting Iran's government you support tyrrany and laws that even Iranians do not like nor voted for. Mullahs are the most hated people in Iran you know...

And if you think that maybe you are now isloated from Iran because you live elsewhere or have another country's citizenship, I don't know, consider what Iran did to Zahra Kazemi. You can read about Iran's crime here:
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/iran/thestory.html

And consider that when the theoretical war was over and Irans totalitarian government gone, those Iranian reformers you say you strongly support would arrest you for supporting the former tyrranical regiem. In other words, no one in Iran today would great you as a friend.

Old Atlantic:

DARVAZE GHAR:

"Yes, we will go and fight against any one that will invade our country or act in a way that will violate our dignity."

Wasn't the taking of the US embassy by Iran in 1979 a violation of US dignity? What about the 170 Americans Iran has helped kill with its explosives in Iraq? What about the 241 Marines killed in Lebanon?

Tom:

"However, it's time to nuke Iran and to liberate the people from dictatorship! www.ncr-iran.org"

Are you aware of how moronic this statement is?

You wanna blow the Iranians up then tell the few ones that survived the blast and radioactivity "you're freeee!"?

The Nuclear bomb is not meant to be used anymore, it's a weapon of dissuasion. Any country stupid enough to launch one will be vaporised in the following hours.

German Voice:

Hossein Derakhshan: "...I'd Take Khamenei Over Bush..."

Excellent! Just move to Iran and make your 'free speech'. If you survive, then you have been right. Well, dreams are something for children... In 2006, at least 154 people were executed. Good luck!

However, it's time to nuke Iran and to liberate the people from dictatorship! www.ncr-iran.org

Big Boooooooooo:

In this modern world, there is only one world. The old definitions of East & West have disappeared. The writer also tries to point out that religious differences must also be set aside.

However, posters above wish to amplify religious differences and quote from Nostradamus, a favourite of the Religious Right in the North American Bible Belt.

Each to his own, but (1) they ought not to critize other religious zealots in the Middle East; and (2) recall that most destructive wars with tens of millions dead were amongst Christians--WWI and WWII; and (3) Christians have produced the most destructive weapons in all human history.

FROM DARVAZE GHAR:

To OLD ATLANTIC
Yes, we will go and fight against any one that will invade our country or act in a way that will violate our dignity.

The fact is that the mighty USA and allies have not been able to secure the capital of the country it has invaded at will (Baghdad), some 4 years after invading a country that was under sanctions for more than 15+ years and had nothing more than a creampuff ill-equipped army (with no spare parts, no new weapons, etc.) or/and in Afghanistan where there are a bunch of rag-tag lightly armed rebels. That is an indisputable fact and up-to-date information.

Iran and all Iranians simply say: it is the Persian Gulf. It has always been the Persian Gulf. It will not be the American Gulf and therefore please go away! ....And remember that we first said please!!!!

Since WWII, America has developed an itch for a war or warlike situation. It should go and scratch the itch somewhere else! Persians, Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Azeris, Sunnis, Shiites, Armenians, .....will find their own formula to deal with each other, as they have done since the times before there was a USA.

big-syres:

The third anti-christ very soon annihilated
Twenty-seven years his bloody war will last
The heretics are dead, captives, exiled
Blood soaked human bodies, water and reddened
icy rain covering the entire earth.

Rain, famine and war will not cease in Persia;
too great a faith will betray the monarch.
Those (actions) started in France will end there,
a secret sign for on to be sparing.

"nostradamus"

Anonymous:

The third anti-christ very soon annihilated
Twenty-seven years his bloody war will last
The heretics are dead, captives, exiled
Blood soaked human bodies, water and reddened
icy rain covering the entire earth.

Rain, famine and war will not cease in Persia;
too great a faith will betray the monarch.
Those (actions) started in France will end there,
a secret sign for on to be sparing.

"nostradamus"

big-koroush:

down with america

Bobster:

Mr. Derakhshan,

In my opinion you don't have much to concern yourself with in regards to the UN. Sooner or later Iran will in all likelihood get their Nukes.
Somehow or someway. I think even the UN is smart enough to realize that Iran is extremely unstable, or I should say their leadership is. Even though the UN is barking at Iran, I just don't see them actually trying to bite. There are already enough nukes to take out the world. With Iran having nukes it would just give the world community another possible nightmare to become real. The Paskistan Government itself is walking a tightrope with radical islamics themselves. After the Iranian president has announced on several ocassions how he wants to wipe Israel off the map, it does not surprise me that other countries do not want Iran to have nukes. Or any other country that demonstrates instability.
You mentioned how you cannot tolerate religious people. Which is your right in a free country. Yet everything you described that you love to indulge in goes directly against your countrys belief at the present time. And even your belief about democracy is not intuned with your countrys beliefs. So just what would you be fighting for.
Your hate for Bush? Or your dislike of religion?

Tariq:

Everyone knows that today no Senator or Congressman in America can dare say anything against Israel.
It will totally ruin their careers.
In America you can say anything derogatory about Jesus and get away with. There was a play in our local university that depicted Jesus as Gay. People went to court and the judge said this is freedom of speech and the play went on.
But the same freedom doesnot extend in case you say anything against Israel. It is not entirely out of love for Israel and the Jews. Some of it is just not PC and some of it is outright intimidation.

Suppose someday when America is really free and suppose someday it dares to go against Israel's interest. Will the Israelis in America choose sides.
I think some will. No one should have to make this choice. But it can happen.
The Jews and the Iranians have something in common both are proud people who love their heritage and history. Individuals with high moral standards worry about such situations.

If you are a white man you will not understand.
This is not for you. Because :"the civilised white man is the most ferocious animal on the face of the earth" (Herman Melville).

Remember Sally Hemmings.
This is Thomas Jefferson : "an orang-utan prefers to make love to a black women rather than with female of its own species." (check this out if you dont believe me)

Anonymous:

MikeB

You are in serious need of therapy and a reality check.

go and do an Internet search for Rafsanjani AND Nuclear.

He was the President of Iran before Ahmadinejad. You will find his speech from Dec 14, 2001, since echoed by other Iranians, about how if the Islamic nations got nukes, then Israel would be destroyed whereas the Islamic nations would suffer only (survivable) damage.

I suppose this is part of the price we pay for having a government that lies about stuff -- people like you who are too lazy to do research are too willing to jump to conclusions and name calling.

Old Atlantic:

MikeB, Mike J's comments also apply. Iran has secret sites, we know that from an IAEA attempt to inspect a building they were denied access to and then later it was changed or removed, I forget the details.

Old Atlantic:

MikeB: "Old Atlantic - And what on earth gives you the idea that Iran wants to even build nuclear weapons, much less use them on the U.S.?"

See Anonymous February 19, 2007 3:02 PM. The 1.3 billion Muslim world feels the same about the US as Israel, they will survive nuclear war/winter, but we will not. We are depleting ourselves by immigration and a nuclear war will finish us off, but not them.

MikeB:

Old Atlantic - And what on earth gives you the idea that Iran wants to even build nuclear weapons, much less use them on the U.S.? The conjecture of a pack of pathological fools and liars that is our leadership? Look, I wouldn't like it, but Iran is fully within her rights to build nuclear weapons if she wants to. Under international law there isn't a thing we can or should do about it. As for Israel, isn't it about time we stopped baby sitting her? Israel is more than capable of taking care of herself.

And Mike J., your "War On Terror" is now and never was anything other than a sick joke, a political ploy to rile up a bunch of hysterical soccer moms and Mid-Western bed wetters that Karl Rove herds like sheep every election cycle. Don't you find it puzzling that the idiot lights used by Homeland (In)Security pretty stay dormant until an election or until Bush is in some sort of political trouble? During the Kerry-Bush election they went off so often I thought I was in a disco hall. Utterly stupid and so irresponsible! Give it a break. I am sick to death of being lied to and I am sick of living in a country populated by fools and cowards. Please, grow up or leave.

Mike J:

Iran is a legitimate nuclear threat. Who among you can believe honestly that Iran's leadership will not attempt to destroy Israel if it gains the means?

The US has maintained thousands of nuclear weapons for decades. America certainly has the means to impose its will or destroy its enemies easily. It has not.

The US used nuclear weapons to end the war with Imperial Japan and actually saved lives; both American and Japanese. An invasion of the Japanese home islands would have been a bloodbath marked by kamikaze attacks on a massive scale.

That insanity, much like what we see today from the savage islamists, was preempted with overwhelming force.

None of us wants the War on Terror to come to that.

Iran is an impressive country of intelligent people that have much to offer the world.

If only its leadership would end its belligerent ways and join with nations of the free world.

Old Atlantic:

MikeB:,

If Iran is a democracy and the democracy wants to build nukes and use them on the US or Israel, then we should let them?

MikeB:

Hossein, don't miss understand me, I love my country, too. But I am simply amazed at how shallow and stupid and just plain ignorant most of the right wing posts are here. I don't think one of them realizes that Iran is a democracy and that your President, whom they hate so much, was popularly elected; that the Iranian people voted for reprsentatives who will push the western hated nuclear programs; that the Iranian people detest the Israeli's. It's a *democracy*, and in many ways more a representative democracy than the one we have here in the U.S.

Please excuse our all American morons - the idiots waving their made in China U.S. flags. Once the neocons and thier corporate scum allies have completed outsourcing their jobs and sold us off to Indian and China they will not peremitted to breed and that will solve our problem with them.

bill:

If Iran isn't pursuing nuclear weapons, then why are all of its nuclear facilities underground and were being kept very secret till we found out? I highly doubt a country that is practically swimming in oil would want to use nuclear technology for energy. Wouldn't you agree?

Old Atlantic:

quote

Abhinavagupta:

Speaking of hypocrisy....

How would the Americans on this forum describe the Bush admin's installing of the Al-Dawa and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq?

end quote

When the neocon Zionist conspiracy told Bush to invade Iraq we forgot to tell him not to establish Islamic Republics. He is such a slow student.

n4matix:

How frightening and sad that an aspect of history may be repeating itself. Oh, yes! The "Western humanism and Enlightenment ideals of liberty and equality...". The "bearers of culture (Kulturträger)", whose mission is to dispense democracy and culture to the "waste" in the East. That was Germany in 1920s. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Take a note Joey M, John Beri, Marcus Young, et al.

Playback Editor:

Isn't it interesting that such brave words are coming from one who has relocated to Canada where he is able to speak in such a free manner. I wonder how this gentleman would feel if he were living in Iran uder the dictatorship of the mullahs or perhaps in Israel which is the constant receipant of the Mad Iranian President's threats to be burnt off the planet?

As usual, brave words from the bleacher seats. I'd take him more seriously if he was living in Iran and speaking out rather than sipping capachino from a cafe on his computer somewhere safe in Canada.

As far as his comments about the U.S. , please grow up already.

www.playbackcommunications.blogspot.com

Playback Editor:

Isn't it interesting that such brave words are coming from one who has relocated to Canada where he is able to speak in such a free manner. I wonder how this gentleman would feel if he were living in Iran uder the dictatorship of the mullahs or perhaps in Israel which is the constant receipant of the Mad Iranian President's threats to be burnt off the planet?

As usual, brave words from the bleacher seats. I'd take him more seriously if he was living in Iran and speaking out rather than sipping capachino from a cafe on his computer somewhere safe in Canada.

J.B. Finger:

If you are an American Citizen, your loyalty belongs to the United States, and when divides occur between the US and Iran, you must turn your back on the Government of Iran. American Citizens of German descent did this very same thing against the Nazis during WWII. If you are not willing to pledge you allegiance to this country, then LEAVE!!

American Intelligence has determined that Iran is the aggressor in that they are supplying weapons through Syria to the Islamic Terrorists that are operating in Iraq. It is in the interest of International and our own security that we put a stop to this. Get behind President Bush and support him.

parviz:

A reminder to an Iranian Americans, democracy, and first amendment means
before you express you (outrages) opinion you call homeland security or
some bloger ask permission to express your opinion,
you must completely misunderstood what democracy ALA American
Means.
Ps. To express this kind of (outrages opinion) move to one of European country. we dont tolorate this type of opinion,

Fonzie: Heeeeey!:

Hossein Derakhshan: If the U.S. waged a war against Iran, I'd absolutely go back and defend Iran. I can't let myself to sit down for a moment and watch America make a Baghdad out of Tehran.

Please sharpen your focus and stop bashing America and Americans.

Why?

The Bush admin is not the U.S. and it supporters in the Red States are not representative of most Americans, esp. those in the bigger cities and on the coasts which truly exemplify America.

In case you have not noticed, from Bush v Gore on thru this very moment, the USA has been under seige by some seriously sick and power hungry people.

America needs you.

Help restore its honor, dignity, and grace.

And duly treat the war profiteers and war mongers with the contempt and scorn they deserve.


Anonymous:

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.

When Rafsanjani made this statement, it was not rejected by Khamenei.

In fact, Khamenei has said that Iran will pursue a nuclear program and many of his subordinates have made the same point as Rafsanjani -- Iran and Islam would survive a nuclear attack, but Israel would be wiped out.

As wacko as you may want to believe Pres. Bush is, and many Americans disagree with him, he has NEVER threatened to use nuclear (he'd say "new-killer") weapons or to wipe anyone out.

Iran could want nuclear weapons for only two reasons: (i) to defend itself and (ii) to attack someone else.

One assumes that item (i) means Deterrence -- the MAD theory of Mutually Assured Destruction. Of course, in the case of the US, this doesn't apply as Iran won't have the capability to assure destruction of the US. The US is not a nuclear threat to Iran. There is no other country posing a nuclear threat to Iran.

If one postulates that Iran wants nukes to forestall a possible conventional attack, there is no country or force capable of any sort of sustained conventional attack on Iran. If one postulates that the US might bomb Iran (hopefully, something that will never happen) nuclear weapons will be of no aid to Iran except as an indirect retaliatory threat to Israel.

If Iran seeks to use nuclear weapons offensively, it can only be against Israel.

First, one has to wonder why Iran is mixed up in the Israeli-Palestinian issue to the extent it is and to the point of threatening to wipe Israel out.

Second, presumably Israel has the capacity to retaliate.

Given all this, the writer appears to be a juvenile spouting away while living in free-speech Canada and posting in a US newspaper.

He says I'd go back and fight for Iran. My ass!

Ken :

And Marcus Young,

You're simply a fool. It is nothing but a western syptom to have one's government or ideology create the conditions in which people kill eachother and then accuse them of being savages for it. Whether its Africans, Middle Easterners, or African-Americans, it is the inevitable way of the white man.

You'll no doubt try to reconcile your assertion by saying something like "people there have been killing their bretheren for thousands of years". And indeed, humanity is sick - just look at the European empires, the Protestants and Catholics, and all the hundreds of atrocities in which westerners have killed on another. Your hypocrisy is obtrusive.

Accept the fact that western intervention in nearly every region around the world is the leading cause of violence, unrest, and strife in those areas. Try thinking for yourself, it feels good.

Ken:

The level to which many of the posters here choose to ignore history for the benefit of their own American/Westernized worldview is disturbing. Furthermore, they seem willing to simply regurgitate our fumbling administration's talking points and the current media hysteria over Iran's nuclear intentions without giving them any independent thought. Truly the stuff of fascism. What, pray tell, do any of the people who have posted here about life in Iran actually know about it? I'd wager a big fat nothing.

For that matter, what do you actually know about Iran or its nuclear program? You know what CNN, FOX, NBC and ABC tell you. And that's it.

Do you know where power really resides in Iran? Ahmadinijad can't really DO anything without the source of real power, the Ayatollah, on his side. The Ayatollah has publicly renounced the pursuit of nuclear weaponry. And indeed, how can we ignore the overt hyprocrisy of turning a blind eye to India, Pak, and now North Korea?

Some of the relevant posters need a course in objective thinking. Stop acting like what you take to be the truth is actually in the ball park of fact.

Troy Thayne:

I have no argument about anyone going back to fight for their mother land. I wish all faithful believers of Islam would go back to their country of origin and leave us alone. If there are converted members of Islam, please choose any crapistan country that is appealing and go there immediatley.

Abhinavagupta:

Raj Saxena: America is still the best place for anybody from any part of the world, who is hard working and talented.

ROTFLAMOL!

And South Asians are totally accepted in Alabama, Georgia, etc.

Abhinavagupta:

Speaking of hypocrisy....

How would the Americans on this forum describe the Bush admin's installing of the Al-Dawa and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq?

On the one side of his mouth Bush champions democracy but then on the other smirks due to the fact that Al-Dawa and the SCIRI are governing Iraq not as champions of American democratic values but as Islamic fundamentalists.

See:

Iraq: Bush’s Islamic Republic
By Peter W. Galbraith
NYRB, Volume 52, Number 13 · August 11, 2005

When President Bush spoke to the nation on June 28, he did not mention Iran’s rising influence with the Shiite-led government in Baghdad. He did not point out that the two leading parties in the Shiite coalition are pursuing an Islamic state in which the rights of women and religious minorities will be sharply curtailed, and that this kind of regime is already being put into place in parts of Iraq controlled by these parties.

[snip]

Instead, President Bush depicted the struggle in Iraq as a battle between the freedom-loving Iraqi people and terrorists. Without the sacrifices of the American servicemen and -women, and the largesse of the US taxpayer, the terrorists could win. As Bush put it, “The only way our enemies can succeed is if we forget the lessons of September 11—if we abandon the Iraqi people to men like Zarqawi.”

[snip]

Real power in Shiite Iraq rests, however, with two religious parties: Abdel Aziz al-Hakim’s Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and the Dawa (”Call,” in English) of Iraq’s Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari. Of the two, SCIRI is the more pro-Iranian. Both parties have military wings, and SCIRI’s Badr Corps has grown significantly from the five thousand fighters that harassed Saddam’s regime from Iran in the decades before the war; it now works closely with Iraq’s Shiite interior minister, until recently the corps’ commander, to provide security and fight Sunni Arab insurgents.

SCIRI and Dawa want Iraq to be an Islamic state. They propose to make Islam the principal source of law, which most immediately would affect the status of women. For Muslim women, religious law—rather than Iraq’s relatively progressive civil code—would govern personal status, including matters relating to marriage, divorce, property, and child custody. A Dawa draft for the Iraqi constitution would limit religious freedom for non-Muslims, and apparently deny such freedom altogether to peoples not “of the book,” such as the Yezidis (a significant minority in Kurdistan), Zoroastrians, and Bahais.

This program is not just theoretical. Since Saddam’s fall, Shiite religious parties have had de facto control over Iraq’s southern cities. There Iranian-style religious police enforce a conservative Islamic code, including dress codes and bans on alcohol and other non-Islamic behavior. In most cases, the religious authorities govern—and legislate—without authority from Baghdad, and certainly without any reference to the freedoms incorporated in Iraq’s American-written interim constitution—the Transitional Administrative Law (TAL).

Dawa and SCIRI are not just promoting an Iranian-style political system —they are also directly promoting Iran- ian interests. Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, the SCIRI leader, has advocated paying Iran billions in reparations for damage done in the Iran–Iraq war, even as the Bush administration has been working to win forgiveness for Iraq’s Saddam-era debt. Iraq’s Shiite oil minister is promoting construction of an export pipeline for petroleum from Basra to the Iranian port city of Abadan, creating an economic and strategic link between the two historic adversaries that would have been unthinkable until now. Iraq’s Shiite government has acknowledged Iraq’s responsibility for starting the Iran–Iraq war, and apologized. It is an acknowledgment probably justified by the historical record, but one that has infuriated Iraq’s Sunni Arabs.

Satyakama:

Should the US achieve victory "on the battlefield" the way it did in Vietnam, and more recently in Afghanistan and in Iraq, there is nothing for anyone to fear but one's own lack of honour and of courage. The cheerleaders on the sidelines are never those who die in combat in any case, or they would not be there cheering. As for those who have known combat for real, not only do they never cheer, they almost never talk about that. "Those who talk do not know, those who know remain silent" (Lao Tzu)

Old Atlantic:

Persian Expat and Darvaze Ghar thank you for your frank answers. You know that if the US did a ground invasion of Iran, Iran's military would meet with defeat on the battlefield.

But knowing that, you would still go back and fight?

RICK H.:

if the USA goes to war with IRAN, we won't make the same mistakes we made with Iraq [ turning our troops into ducks in a shooting gallery ]. It will be from afar with all those Hi Tech weapons we have ' in case you Did'nt [ 45% of our national budget goes for defense ] It will be up to people like you to change your govt. and if you don't and threaten us again, we'll bomb you again until you learn to leave us alone. [ treat others as you want to be treated yourself ]. Live by that rule, and nobody dies from war.

Spoogra:

That's OK, Hoder. Even if you don't believe in Him, Jesus still loves you.

Marcus Young:

Mr. Derakhshan is simply illustrating a point that has to be considered - that many middle-easterners are simply not ready to face the modern world.

The belief that states "a fight against my brother is a fight against myself" is still the rule among too many in the Persian and Arab cultures. But compare that to Americans of German and Italian ancestry who gladly stepped in and fought their cousins and distant relatives during World War II, fighting their own blood in order to rid the world of the threat posed by their own kin. They had principles greater than blood relations, while many ex-pat Iranaians would put principle aside and fight for the ancient and tribal.

The Iranaian economy is a mess. Oil production (the only thing of value Iran has to offer) is suffering because of incompetence on a governmental level. The mullahs know how to stir the masses with fundamentalist fervor, but they have no ability to build relations with the rest of the region - aside from supporting Shi'a terrorism in other countries. While the US is hardly lilly-white when it comes to arming insurgents, it can be said that in almost every case, the principle behind the supported insurrections were those of individual freedom rather than religious hegemony - the foul 'principle' that holds Iran together.

The friends I have in Iran have no love for their government, and would not defend it unless forced to at the point of an Iranian gun. It might have something to do with their individual faiths and professions. As a converted Christian (on the one hand) and an author (on the other), they're forced to live their lives in fear of being discovered by the Iranian authorities. The fact that Mr. Derakhshan would publicly support to the death the legitimacy of those authorities is to his lasting shame. The fact that he does so from the safety of a location defended by western arms and western ideals only compounds his humiliation.

Raj Saxena:

I realize you are somebody from Iranian descent and thats why you are getting so soft on Iran.
I would advice you to fo and live in Iran, raise your family there and then compare Iran over America.
America is still the best place for anybody from any part of the world, who is hard working and talented.
There are many places in the world ruled by dictators but the threat level to modern civilizations is very less from them as they do not control vast amount of money like Oil wealth, etc.
And that is why Middle East is so vital that terrorists should not be controlling that wealt as they would turn the rest of the world into Hell guided by the great religion called "Islam" which loves people from all faiths, as we all see.

From Darvaze Ghar:

To: OLD ATLANTIC

Yes, and fortunately he is not alone. We all will put our differences aside, go back and fight for our country and our extended family.

Persian Expat:

To OLD ATLANTIC

Yes, this kind of patriotic attitude and love for one's country is quite common among Iranians. The motherland and home is above all to us Iranians that are proud of our heritage and 25 centuries of histories.

I know of several hundred Iranian military officers of the Shah's time that also think this way. There is even one in Tehran who volunteered to go back and fought Saddam's army, was in a war prison camp for 12 years, beaten by Saddam's beasts and has more than 50 broken bones and he is ready to fight again.

I should also note that more than 80% of Iranians have chosen to live outside Iran, they are not a diaspora nor a threat to the Iranian regime.

wanlaw:

Sir: You pretend to be a liberal, open minded person. You live in the west, enjoying the freedom to believe whatever you want. That freedom, however, did not come cheap. Hundreds of thousands of americans died buying you the freedom to think what you want, and to enjoy the fruits of freedom. Iran has become a nation that threatens its neighbors with annihalation, and armed with atomic weapons, could destroy or blackmail the world. There has been no leader since Hitler who has threatened genocide and had the means to accomplish it like Ahmidinijad [sp]. Many germans went back to fight for hitler in ww2, and history would never look kindly upon them or their cause. If America comes to the conclusion that Iran's threats have gone too far, it will act. You are certainly entitled to fight for whichever cause you prefer. Do not be surprised to find however, that history will also frown upon you for choosing the cause of hate rather than freedom. Perhaps you ought to give up your life of luxory in europe now, and go back to iran and try to lead it away from the cause of hate, and toward the cause of freedom. I am sure history would appreciate your efforts.

Satyakama:

This is not a matter of "international law" anymore. The UN way has been destroyed, making the UN useless, as was intended. Our world now lives under the rule of Machiavelian logics: raw POWER. Better get used to it and act accordingly.

I sincerely hope you do not have to return to Iran in the circumstances that you anticipate.

Old Atlantic:

Hossein Derakhshan,

Is your attitude common?

quote

If the U.S. waged a war against Iran, I'd absolutely go back and defend Iran. I can't let myself to sit down for a moment and watch America make a Baghdad out of Tehran.

Fortunately, I'm not alone.

end quote

Do most ex-pat Iranians agree with you?

Aftab:

Look, who believes that Iran is 'developing' an atom bomb? The USA which has already detonated two killing hundreds of thousands.
Look, who are playing the lackeys? India and Pakistan who detonated their bombs surreptitiously.
Cut out the hypocrisy.

Persian Redneck:

The three posters above prove that there is no tolerance for alternative views in North America (USA or Canada, where this writer resides).

One talks about "cheating" with IAEA. There is no need to "cheat" with IAEA as Iran has the perfect legal right to withdraw from NPT, by giving a simple 6 month notice. You may help yourself by reading the NPT. I invite you to especially take a close look at Article 4 of the treaty, where other member states are OBLIGED to assist members with civilian purpose nukes, not block them.

As for other innuendoes by the 3 posters, I can only believe that they are victims of heavy, one-way media bombardment in America. They talk about possible, potential "dangers" while USA is a present and clear one. By the way, it is now 5 1/2 years and...... where is Bin Laden? Remember him? He was the guy on America's payroll in Afghanistan!

David Munro:

I think it would be worthwhile organizing a collection to send Mr. Derakhshan back to Iran to start work immediately on instituting a secular regime there. I for one am ready to donate my fair share. In fact, he might consider taking some likeminded Iranians now resident in Europe with him. In any event, he should not travel alone, as criticizing Islam, advocating secularism, and declaring oneself an atheist would, in all likelihood, result in his execution, and certainly in his imprisonment. And rather than riding to his rescue, his friend Mr. Khamenaie would undoubtedly cheer whatever stern punishment was meted out.

Should Mr. Derakhshan have second thoughts, he could of course stay in Europe, where one would hope he would take the opportunity to spring to the defense of secularism and Western values. These values will not long survive Islamic states armed with nuclear weapons, nor, for that matter, Western immigration policies that do not recognize the values chasm that divides the West from Islam.

John Beri:

Iran has been caught cheating multiple times by the IAEA. It has refused multiple proposals of providing it with enriched Uranium to operate a civilian power plant. Why would Iran behave this way if its true intent is nuclear power and not nuclear weapons.
A nuclear weapon in Iran's hands is extremely dangerous. Here is a country with a known terrorist branch in the form of Hizbollah. What would happen if they got their hands on the bomb. The same question applies to Hamas, or the Mehdi army. This is not to mention Ahmadinejad who has gone out of his way to prove that he is dangerous extremist. Why would we ever want to take the risk of having a terrorist or a suicide bomber explode a nuclear bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of people? This is a risk that is not just the concern of George Bush, but also of the EU, most of the Arab States, and the UN security council. Stop demonizing Bush. Every American worth his salt would never accept this risk.

I agree with Joey's comment. Go back to Iran and fight from over there. You have no right to live here and threaten the country that has hosted you and gave you the freedom to express yourself freely, even against its national security. Go back to Iran and write an article attacking Khamenei. Let us see what happens to you. If you survive, or make it out of jail, send us a postcard.

Joey M:

If you would so passionately defend it why not go and live there now? I'm sure you realize what they would do to you, not only an unbeliever but one who violates most of the rules of the Koran... They wouldn't want you and you'd be lucky to get out with your life.

That is the difference between the US and too many nations of the world. We give you the choice to do as you please as long as you do not break the law. You can believe what you want without fear.

I too hope that the US does not start a war with Iran, but rest assured, should Iran start something with the US, I hope that they are prepared to start life anew from the stone age. At least the maniac mullahs, as I really doubt the average citizen of Iran has any interest or desire in creating problems and is more likely interested in solving there own.

So from my perspective, the worst of Bush is far more desirable than the absolute best of any leader of Iran...

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