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Beyond China-Bashing

With the Beijing Olympics starting at the end of this week, you might
think this would be an occasion for serious analysis and reflection about
China -- how to understand the country and how to handle its regime.

Instead, we've mostly heard a familiar recitation of cliches. Conservatives
rail against a "rising autocracy" and exaggerate China's military strength.
Republican Sen. Sam Brownback went to Beijing and discovered -- surprise! --
that the Chinese government engaged in espionage. He fumed to CNN that the
authorities could "listen to anybody and everybody and their communications
and their recordings." (One month earlier the senator had enthusiastically
voted for the FISA Amendments Act, which allows the U.S. government to do
pretty much the same thing.)

China bashing is not just a right-wing phenomenon. The left-of-center New
Republic ran a cover story last month with the headline, "Meet the New
China (Same as the Old)." Inside, the magazine thundered that "our ultimate
solidarity" should lie not with the "odious government" in Beijing but "the
billion long-suffering men and women of the world's largest dictatorship."

Except that Chinese people (who, by the way, number 1.3 billion, not 1
billion) seem to disagree. About the same time as the New Republic hit the
stands, the Pew Research Center released the findings of its 2008 Global
Attitudes Survey. Of the 24 countries surveyed, the Chinese people
expressed the highest level of support for the direction in which their
country was heading -- 86 percent. Nearly two out of three said the
government was doing a good job on issues that mattered to them. The survey
questioned more than 3,212 Chinese, face to face, in 16 dialects across the
country. And while it could be argued that people might not speak freely to
pollsters in China, there are many indications that these numbers express
something real. Such polls have been done for years, and the numbers
approving of the Chinese government have risen as the economy has grown (as
should be expected). Those polled did complain openly about corruption,
environmental degradation and inflation. And these attitudes -- general
approval of the country's direction coupled with many specific criticisms --
are also the ones reported by most scholars and journalists who have
traveled in China.

China is a complicated country. It has a closed political system but an
open economy and an increasingly vibrant society. It is fast building up
weapons systems yet is not directly competing with American military power.
It has been helpful in the negotiations with North Korea but callous in
shielding Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe and the regime in Sudan. Capturing
these realities is difficult, but still we have to try. To say that this
new China is the same as the old (meaning Mao's totalitarian state) is to
be ignorant, ideological, or both.

The collapse of the Doha trade round -- the first breakdown of global trade
talks since the 1930s -- is vivid evidence that we have not found a way to
partner with newly rising powers such as China and India. If this pattern
of misunderstanding, disunity and stalemate continues, there will be little
progress on all kinds of urgent global issues -- energy, food, the
environment, human rights, security.

There is enough blame to go around for the collapse of Doha. The Indians,
Chinese and Americans were too obstinate in protecting their farmers. But
the United States and Europe have not adjusted to the new balance of global
power. The last set of trade talks, in Cancun, was derailed by Brazil. The
current round was blocked largely by India. (Dealing with these democracies
has often proved as complex as with the Chinese dictatorship.) Our impulse
is to criticize these countries for all their shortcomings, but in fact our
goal should be the opposite. We should make them feel empowered so they see
themselves as rule-makers, not free riders on the global system.

The greatest failure of Western foreign policy since the Cold War ended
has been a sin of omission. We have not pursued a foreign policy toward the
world's newly rising powers that aims to create new and enduring relations
with them, integrate them into existing structures of power and lay out new
rules of the road to secure peace and prosperity. If the emerging countries
grow strong outside the existing order, they will freelance and be
unwilling to help build better structures for the future. In that case, the
new world might well be the same as the old -- the 19th-century world, that
is, which was marked by economic globalization, political nationalism and
war.

The writer is editor of Newsweek International and co-host of PostGlobal,
an online discussion of international issues. His e-mail address is
comments@fareedzakaria.com.

Comments (163)

Mike:

There seeming to be a lot of fear and anxiety in the west as to regard where will China go from now on. The Chinese themselves aren't very sure either. China wants to play a leading role in the world, but catching up is different from leading.

After 500 years of slumbering while the west took over stage, I believe the Chinese are rusty in "what to do" or "how to do it" in the world arena.

I hope this little poem I wrote will help.

《观北京奥运有感》
颜敏球 作

"Reflections after Watching the Olympics Opening Ceremony in Beijing"
By Michael Ngan


古国神洲, 巨龍騰空, 飞翔在天。
Tonight, the Middle Kingdom sleeps not, the Dragon is in the air.


回首百年来, 不禁泪下;
Looking back the last hundred years, tears flow down the cheeks;

今举国上下, 一片欢騰。
Happy now, the whole country rejoices.


神龍再现, 举世震驚, 不知是吉还是凶。
The Dragon awakes, but the World is disturbed; what does this omen portend?

平天下, 须参照聖王的心法, 天之命也。
To pacify the world, study the classics of the Sage Kings; these are words from Heaven.


从前如此多难, 皆因失德而不知道。
Remember, humilation upon humilation, all because the Virtue was lost, and the Way, forgotten.


协和万邦, 开创万世之太平;
Be the leading nation of the world, establish the eternal Peace that will last a ten thousand generations.

以民为上, 建设和谐的社会。
Place the people first, strive to create a harmonious society.


东西将合壁, 天下成一家。
East and West shall come together, the World will be united as One.


俱往矣,万国来朝, 而不忘故耻。
All has passed now, enjoy the honor and glory to come, but don't forget the lessons learned.

gabiq:

This is so sad. Being born in Canada and raised in HK, I love the Canadian experiment on multicultural citizenship but couldn't help to feel the nauseating cold-war rhetorics in the Canadian media against the chinese, it really singles out all Chinese as being the "other" and does not promote cultural tolerance. Unfortunately if this ensues, the only chinese that Canada would receive would be those applying for refugee status in Canada. No Chinese, if they have a choice, would willingly subject themselves to such unfriendly and narrow-minded mentality.

REV DR KAMAL KARNA ROY GOP POLITICIAN USA:

8. 18. 2008 RELATED ISSUES: DEMOCRACYIN SHOWCASE IN USA:

You may laugh, but I believe McCain is talking about cutting out all pork. Even in the housing rescue bill that they passed, there was so much pork in that bill it is just unbelievable. We MUST hold our Politicians accountable, it just does not stop.
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Among other things, yes. We all know what he meant was to cut back on ridiculous spending and he's absolutely correct.

Also, you don't stimulate an economy by introducing higher taxation. It doesn't work. McCain is for the middle income person, the small business owner and has a sound economic policy, something that Obama does not.
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Yes, but McCain has to start somewhere..what has these fury beasts done for us? Look at yogi bear! he steals the pic nic baskets of the poor tourest in Jellystone Park.. and those Polar Bears are eating all the baby seals..and they smell terrible! I know as I seen them in the Zoo
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No.

McCain will balance the budget by making sure poor people starve to death.
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McCain must have thought the G.I. bill was pork too....
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we've heard this before - republican promises about cutting spending are about as valid as democrat promises to increase social programs.

if history is any indicator deficits would continue under mccain while obama would not get his healthcare, but might just balance the budget.
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Paternity AND security. We need both.
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You have mis-quoted that statement. i watched to forum twice. he said governent wastes money on junk like bear reasearch in Montana , he was giving an example of waste. in earlier years california got federal funding of 10 million plus a year to study the growth habits of cranberrys. more government waste. money better spent on other things. that has nothing to do with tax cuts for the weatlthy it has to do with waste in goverment spending. so if your gonna quote next time , watch what was actually said in the situation. so many are making quotes on the forum on saturday that actually didnt bother to watch . 47 minutes ago 2 Rating: Good Answer 1 Rating: Bad Answer Report Abuse Sorry, you must be Level 2 to rate

by katherine n Member since: April 14, 2008 Total points: 624 (Level 2) Add to My Contacts

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you misspelled it,,it was BARE research.
thats what liberals do with money.
throw it away fore nothing trying to figure out why black bears have duhhh black hair.another program that should be cut is WELFARE and YOU would have to get a job.
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The vast majority of bear research in this country is privately funded, so no.
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Yes, It would help to get rid of that program and other wasteful ones like it. McCain is against pork-barrel spending. Aren't you? How fair is it to spend our tax money studying DNA of bears, 3 million dollars,,, ridiculous, and I bet the recipient was related to the senator that put that in a bill..we have to stop over-spending.
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Unfortunately, though this sort of stuff sounds great because no one feels like the bear research money is well-spent, the earmarks don't actually add up to enough money in total to finance McCain's tax cuts. Most of the earmarks you see in Congress are legit, actually, they just specify how the money is spent.

So you might find the occasional story about $10m for bear research or $20m for a highway, but these rarely add up to much of the whole federal budget (which has to be used to finance social security, provide education and highway grants, pay the salaries of millions of federal employees, fund the personnel, R&D, and equipment costs of the world's most expensive military and fight two wars with it and so forth) and as far as can be told, McCain cannot cut taxes the amount he has claimed he will without also cutting social programs in a way that will actually and genuinely hurt people. I am all for getting the government's **** in order, but don't expect it to do that much and don't expect this tax pledge to work out just fine and dandy for all of you.
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It is funny that people wanting to raise taxes never want to cut "pork" out of budgets. I had not heard about the tax cuts for the rich and oil companies being part of a McCain tax plan so just throwing more smears in to see if you can score a point? Cutting earmark funding for pet projects has always been a desire of Sen McCain, why he voted against the DHL deal was because of projects attached to the bill for funding pork projects. It is really hard to say how much could be saved if this was stopped but would be a substantial amount. I happen to think a line item veto is the way to go and allow the President to cut things out of a bill or the budget such as bear research, cow gas research, and so on. If it is a worthwhile project then Congress could over ride and get the money independently. Every military spending bill will have many amendments attached because if some one votes against it they are anti-military (used by both parties). The undisputed "King of Pork" is Sen Byrd of West Virginia and he is famous for adding a goody for the state, his constituency or backers into almost every bill.
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Going to the Olympics means leaving the real world behind and moving into an Olympic Bubble for a few weeks.

The key item is the accreditation to get in. A Visa card is vital (others are not accepted), a knowledge of sports is helpful but not essential, and stamina is quite useful for long days of work and socialising within the so-called Olympic Family.

The Olympic Bubble in Beijing is fenced in and heavily guarded. It consists of the Olympic Green with landmark venues such as the Water Cube and the Birds Nest, the MPC (Main Press Centre for those non- journos), IBC (International Broadcast Centre) and sponsor areas.

The only visitors allowed in are Chinese people and foreigners who are supposed to fill the arenas for good television pictures and atmosphere.

Olympic journalists travelling from their so-called media villages are security-checked before the departure of their bus. The short journey through Beijing to the Olympic Bubble resembles Lenin's trip in a sealed train through World War I Germany from his Swiss exile to Russia to prepare the Soviet revolution.

But the media is not there to cause a revolution. Security has been rather tight ever since the Palestinian attack on the Israel team in Munich 1972 and the Chinese are leaving nothing to chance in their major Olympic propaganda show.

A few days ago they positioned an armed personnel carrier in front of the MPC. But that backfired as the vehicle became a photo-object and a joke for the world media. The Chinese saved face by withdrawing it overnight.

While at past Olympics the safety measures were directed at possible terrorists, the Beijing bubble could have been an invention of the communist party to keep all those foreigners in check.

You could call it The Great Olympic Wall of China. Inside, internet access has been quite liberal by Chinese standards, but outside it tough Chinese rules apply which do not encourage pro- Tibetan protests or mentioning the Falun Gong religious movement.

In this respect, Tiananmen Square is not part of the Olympic Bubble! It is only the landmark start of the marathon races.

In theory, the IOC should rule inside the bubble, with a little help of the local organizing committee BOCOG, and Mao Zedong's successors kept outside of it.

But the Chinese have not only stood firm against the IOC as far as human rights promises and press freedom are concerned, they also secretly leaped the Great Olympic Wall of China when no one was watching.

They did this with fakes.

Chinese fake articles, ranging from watches to ipods and other desiralbe consumer goods, appear to be a normal part of daily life, But it is something else to litter the Olympics with fakes.

The Sydney Morning Herald bluntly spoke of The Fake Wall of China.

China has admitted to using the following fakes during the opening ceremony:

Pre-recorded fireworks for TV coverage, a lip-synching child for a popular song because the girl who sung it wasn't cute enough, and minority children who weren't (all were Han Chinese in costumes of the 56 minorities).

Even the good weather was fake because the Chinese had diverted rain with rockets. The sun only shone on other days because of drastic traffic restrictions and polluting factories having been closed during the Games.

But the Olympians paid the Chinese back with a very subtle trick, using Olympic sponsors.

The venues in the Olympic Green are spectacular monuments of modern architecture, but in between them Coca-Cola has positioned cheap red plastic sun umbrellas, stools and tables in rest areas, which are an offence for anyone with the remotest sense of taste and will appear on every photo taken of the venues.

However, the good news (at least for the Chinese) is that this eyesore will disappear when the Great Olympic Wall of China aka the Olympic Bubble is dismantled on August 25.

種花最污處 吹笛鬧市中:

洋記者在京
Western Reporters in Beijing

西洋浪子來中土
Those western loafers come to the Middle Earth
先祖殖民奴隸主
Some descended from colonists, some slave traders
言語未通不肯學
Without a will to learn the host's language
耳目奮張頻四出
With excited ears and eyes spread out about
不似蜂兒似蒼蠅
They resemble flies more than bees
遺香搜臭愛穢污
Abandoning sweet flowers but search for filth
搜臭它國賣在家
Collecting filth abroad sell at home
供求相好無饜足
This Supply-Demand loves no end
謊言燦燦似鳳凰
Their lies, as shiny as phoenix
心意靡靡卑于鼠
Their hearts, as dull as mouse
不助和平助分裂
Not to bring peace but to divide
八國聯軍真其父
Those cut "the Chinese melon" were their fathers indeed
真龍天子失王座
The throne lost the Dragon of Heaven
四野稱王狼與虎
Those self-crowned kings in the wild were wolfs and tigers
五洲搜掠無空隙
They robbed all five continents without an inch spared
百年殺戮千萬數
For Hundreds of years saw the killings of the tens of millions
百族白骨埋土中
The bones of countless races, buried deep in the continents' soils
血債累累厚于土
The blood debts, thicker than the soils that buried the dead!
今日殺人用人權
Today they kill in name of Human Rights
戰爭示威其二術
War and Protest, the two of their tools
文明沖突何所憑
With What they deserve a "clash of Civilizations"?
麥當娜加牛仔褲
With Madonna songs and Cowboy jeans?
上國重臨天地間
Between heaven and earth the high culture returns
以直報怨世所殊
Answering evil in good is her rare way
群丑怕見中華興
Their gang fears the rise of her Middle Kingdom
小人心度君子腹
The base measure the lofty with their small minds
謊言若毒謠言煙
Their lies work like poison, their rumors like smokes
霸道豈識王道恕
How should bandits understand the forgiving way of the King?
羅馬豪情安在哉
Where is the heroic air of the Romans
今日淪為罵街婦
For they all turned bashing street gals?
自家有病不問醫
If a sick man seeks no help from his doctor
詛咒他人能康复?
Can he heal by cursing others?
帝國沉沉無英君
In decline the empire is without a wise man
人心危危少忠物
In fear the people are without an honest pen!
還不驚醒快回頭
Time to wake! before their wrongs pass down their children
禍及子孫無哭處
And find no sympathetic places to shed tears!

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種花最污處 吹笛鬧市中:

洋記者在京
Western Reporters in Beijing

西洋浪子來中土
Those western loafers come to the Middle Earth
先祖殖民奴隸主
Some descended from colonists, some slave traders
言語未通不肯學
Without a will to learn the host's language
耳目奮張頻四出
With excited ears and eyes spread out about
不似蜂兒似蒼蠅
They resemble flies more than bees
遺香搜臭愛穢污
Abandoning sweet flowers but search for filth
搜臭它國賣在家
Collecting filth abroad sell at home
供求相好無饜足
This Supply-Demand loves no end
謊言燦燦似鳳凰
Their lies, as shiny as phoenix
心意靡靡卑于鼠
Their hearts, as dull as mouse
不助和平助分裂
Not to bring peace but to divide
八國聯軍真其父
Those cut "the Chinese melon" are their fathers indeed
真龍天子失王座
The throne looses the Dragon of Heaven
四野稱王狼與虎
Those self-crowned kings in the wild are wolfs and tigers
五洲搜掠無空隙
They rob all five continents without an inch spared
百年殺戮千萬數
For Hundreds of years, the killings of the tens of millions
百族白骨埋土中
The bones of countless races, buried deep in the continents' soils
血債累累厚于土
The blood debts, thicker than the soils that bury the dead!
今日殺人用人權
Today they kill in name of Human Rights
戰爭示威其二術
War and Protest, the two of their tools
文明沖突何所憑
With What they deserve a "clash of Civilizations"?
麥當娜加牛仔褲
With Madonna songs and Cowboy jeans?
群丑怕見中華興
Their gang fears the return of the Middle Kingdom
小人心度君子腹
The base measure the lofty with their small minds
羅馬豪情今安在
Where is the heroic air of the Romans
今日淪為罵街婦
For they all turn bashing street gals?
自家有病不問醫
If a sick man seeks no help from his doctor
詛咒他人能康复?
Can he heal by cursing others?
帝國沉沉無英君
In decline the empire is without a wise man
人心危危少忠物
In fear the people are without an honest pen!
還不驚醒快回頭
Time to wake! before their wrongs pass down their children
禍及子孫無哭處
And find no sympathetic places to shed tears!


Surya B. Prasai:

I completely agree with Fareed that China is an emerging power that needs to be treated with respect by the West but this respect must also be mutual and principled. This is why perhaps President Gerge Bush has stated consistently the need to engage China in a constructive and positive dialogue. The recent Beijing Olympics, though some tried to politicize its motif, still demonstrates China's ability to tune itself ideologically on a global scale, to be able to extend its hospitality to the West and the East at the same time, and to show its acceptance of democracy and human rights as is practiced elsewhere, not necessarily within.

The West must, in future, recognize China's growing economic strength based on the common denominator of seeking stability through inter-dependence and competition, not necessarily domination in the next 25 years.

China, in turn, could heed well by learning more about how Western civilization honors freedom and this being the basis of propelling strong Asian economic growth to boost democracy, human rights and end-liberalization of its society. To me both China and the West are compatible given the growing economic nexus with the US and other western powers. Let it serve world peace in the end!

Surya B. Prasai
Maryland
USA


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As they paraded cheerfully into the Bird’s Nest stadium in their brightly coloured cultural costumes, the 56 smiling children were described as coming from China’s 56 ethnic groups.

Their different hats, dresses and robes may indeed have represented the diversity of the world’s most populous nation. But an official from the children’s dance troupe revealed yesterday that the youngsters did not.

There were no Uighurs, no Zhuangs, no Huis, no Tujias, no Mongols and definitely no Tibetans. Indeed, in the latest in a series of manipulations that have soured memories of the spectacular opening ceremony, all 56 were revealed to be Han Chinese, who make up more than 90 per cent of the country’s 1.3 billion people.

The latest example of artifice comes after revelations that some of the fireworks seen by TV audiences in the opening ceremony were computer-generated and that a song was mimed because the child singer was not deemed pretty enough.

“I think you are being very meticulous,” said Wang Wei, vice-president of the Beijing Olympic Organising Committee, trying to brush the latest revelation aside. “It is rather normal and usual for actors and actresses to be dressed in costumes from different ethnic groups. There is nothing special about it.”

But that was not how the official programme announced the Galaxy Children’s Art Troupe. It declared that the children who clustered around the national flag in a show of unity were from all the various ethnic groups.

One Tibetan told The Times: “They all looked like Han Chinese. It was clear to everyone at the start. But I suppose they thought there was too much risk that even a child could make an unacceptable gesture.”

Officials are particularly sensitive about the disclosure after ethnic riots in Tibet in March when 22 people, mostly Han Chinese, were killed, and after three attacks in the westernmost Xinjiang region against security forces by suspected Muslim separatists.

Many Chinese said that the use of the Han children was normal since they were actors. Others said the decision put the spotlight on the cultural dominance of the Han and the unwillingness of the majority ethnic group to tolerate others. The Communist Party is at pains to play down ethnic differences in the Olympic year.

Officials have also confirmed that a leading dancer injured in a rehearsal for the opening ceremony could be paralysed for life.

Mr Wang declined to say whether Liu Yan, 26, had been paralysed below the waist. “This is a very private question. I understand that she was seriously injured, but I am not sure whether she is paralysed or not. She is hospitalised at this moment.” Photographs of Ms Liu showed her making a V-for-victory sign from her hospital bed and smiling valiantly.

The four-hour show a week yesterday was created by the Oscar-nomin-ated Chinese film director Zhang Yimou. On Tuesday it came to light that the bright-eyed little girl who wowed more than a billion viewers with her sparkling rendition of Ode to the Motherland was miming to the voice of another little girl, Yang Peiyi, whose crooked teeth were deemed unacceptable by a Politburo member.

The 29 giant footprint fireworks that exploded from the Bird’s Nest stadium along the central north-south axis of Beijing were never seen by television viewers. It was technically difficult to film the spectacle so the global audience saw a display of digitally created computer wizardry.

Few Chinese have been upset by the digital sleight of hand. However, many have voiced outrage on the internet about the miming singer. One member of the Muslim Hui minority described how Han Chinese were required to wear white Muslim skullcaps, or head-scarves in the case of women, when the torch relay passed through the western Ningxia province. “It was all fake. But we are used to this.”

种花最污处 吹笛闹市中:

羅馬鬥獸場有感
Reflections upon Rome Coliseum

殺人為業征疆土
Their trade was to slaughter humans for the empire's gains
鬥獸為娛誤子孫
Their amusement was to battle beasts and their later generations misled
伊拉克土今侵血
Therefore today blood still penetrates through the soil of Iraq
好萊塢頌殺人篇
And their Hollywood still loves the glory of killing
民主旗牽鐵騎入
Their flags of democracy guide their iron horses dash in other's homes
自由言論可瞞天
Their Speech of Freedom has taken form of lies in cheating the high heavens
雙塔悲歌猶未醒
Sleeping in trauma and the lament of twin tower still sings
校園慘案父母憐
and the tragic cases of the school yard tear the poor parents
不省自心求解脫
For they never repent their heart to seek their bondage to loose
卻向全球狀聖賢
Only they still claim to our globe they are the wise and the virtuous
喇嘛從政耶穌死
The Monks have turned into politicians, only Christ died;
問誰能救苦無邊
To whom people shall ask for help in this limitless suffering land


bgfs:

Eight Free Tibet campaigners have been arrested during a protest at which a British journalist was also held.

ITV News reporter John Ray was released soon after the incident at the Chinese Ethnic Culture Park, near the National Stadium.

He was taken away by police as members of the campaign group handcuffed themselves to each other and bicycles

Mr Ray, who has been based in Beijing since 2006, is ITV News' first China correspondent.

ITN, which makes ITV News, said it would be making the "strongest possible" protest.

A spokesman said: "John Ray is a fully accredited China correspondent who was doing his legitimate job as a journalist.

"We intend to protest in the strongest possible terms to the Chinese authorities and seek assurances that the treatment meted out to Mr Ray will not be repeated."

The International Olympic Committee also said it was investigating.

A spokesman said: "The IOC has learned through media reports that a British journalist was allegedly assaulted today while covering a demonstration near an Olympic venue in Beijing.

"The IOC's position is clear: the media must be free to report on the Olympic Games.

"We are endeavouring to discover the full facts of this incident and, if necessary, will raise our concerns with the appropriate authority."

Anonymous:

Western people need to wake up to the fact that western culture isn't that good. I used to think it's good back in high school, but now... And some western people should stop acting like pigs. Only pigs would think shouting at others that they neither care nor know would make a difference.

hjgdc:

Chinese police dragged a British journalist along the ground and detained him on Wednesday after he tried to report on a pro-Tibet protest near the main Olympic stadium, witnesses told AFP.

Uniformed police pounced on John Ray, China correspondent for Independent Television News (ITN), and wrestled him to the ground shortly after foreign protesters unfurled a pro-Tibet banner, witnesses and the reporter said.

Up to seven protesters were arrested within seconds, while Ray was dragged into a nearby restaurant and forcibly held down by officers who also stamped on his hands, they said.

Ray, who is fully accredited to report in Beijing during the Olympic Games, said he was detained for around 20 minutes in the restaurant and in a police car before being released, and that his equipment bag was confiscated.

"This was an assault in my mind, I am incredibly angry about this," Ray told AFP minutes after he was released.

His shoes were scuffed, the back of his trousers and shirt were covered in grime and he displayed some bruising on his hand.

ITN cameraman Ben England said he tried to film the protest but was physically prevented from doing so by police who manhandled him and used umbrellas to try to block his camera.

China has repeatedly pledged to allow foreign broad media freedoms to do their work during the Games, but have come under criticism for continuing to stop them from reporting on sensitive issues.

Ray said he clearly told the officers in Chinese that he was a journalist during the incident, which happened about one kilometre (0.6 miles) south of the main Olympic Stadium in northern Beijing.

"I tried to explain to them that I was a British journalist but they would not even let me take out my identifiction documents, they were very rough," Ray said.

"I am just wondering where this fits in with China's solemn undertaking to allow us to report freely during the Olympics."

Beijing police would not comment on the incident over the phone, asking AFP to send a fax of questions.

Mike:

Hi 令狐沖:

Outstanding Poem. After I can't google anything up, I am not surprise to find that this is an original work. Your Chinese is very admirable. I agree everything you said about "剛柔並濟﹐巨細兼治﹐取法正中﹐天人合一 in Chinese aesthetics." That is the same conclusion I have arrived after a year of study. That is why I was able to translate your poem into English. I thought young Chinese do not know classical Chinese anymore. I am pleasantly suprised that this is not the case. I wonder how much you know about "天人合一" and "天人一心通". I am writing an English book on this subject. Your Chinese skills will be very helpful in translation the book to Chinese. I am looking forward to hear from you. Why don't you drop me a line or two at this address: michaelngan99 at gmail dot com. Please fill in the right symbol in my email address.

thanks

Mike

vhul:

CHINESE journalists have been prevented from reporting the stabbing murder of an American tourist at the Drum Tower and linking it to the Olympic Games.
In direct contravention of the promises made for press freedom in covering the Olympics, the notebooks and at least one tape recorder of a number of Chinese journalists were confiscated after a press conference held by the US men's volleyball team.

The team had been discussing the impact of the murder on them. The victim was the father-in-law of the team's coach, Hugh McCutcheon, and the father of a respected former national team member, Elisabeth McCutcheon.

The confiscation caused disquiet and it was unclear if the items would be returned.

Removal of such items is common for Chinese journalists covering protests or other "undesirable" activities but it is the first time it has happened at an Olympics.

Earlier, at a small protest in Tiananmen Square by pro-Tibet American Christians, reporters were manhandled by police who tried to take away their microphones and notebooks.

A Beijing Olympic spokesman, Sun Weide, said he did not know about the notebooks being confiscated at the press conference nor about the differing standards being applied to Western and Chinese journalists. "I am not very clear about the situation you raised. For Chinese journalists they very much enjoy the rights to cover the Beijing Olympic Games."

A public relations firm acting for the organisers said initial inquiries into the volleyball conference indicated the confiscation "simply did not take place".

Local coverage of the murder has centred on the death of "an American tourist" without mentioning that the victim, Todd Bachman, and his seriously injured wife, Barbara, were there to support the US volleyball team.

A Herald internet report yesterday quoting the Australian chef de mission, John Coates, ordering Australian athletes to wear team gear away from the site to distinguish them from American contestants was blocked until an international wire service released the story

令狐沖:

Mike,

Basically, 剛柔並濟﹐巨細兼治﹐取法正中﹐天人合一 is Chinese aesthetics.

令狐沖:

Mike,

Yes, I wrote the poem, but unfortunately I wrote the English translation too. True, it isn't about China the nation, it is about China's aesthetics which is the background of the design of the opening ceremony. Indian and Greek/Roman/Western Aesthetics(es?) are different. "天人合一" is specific in Confucian thoughts, so is a grand symetric lay-out on earth reflecting the harmony of the above (Egyptian pyramids line up with the stars but not beyond if I am not misunderstanding). Also, in the poem, 神州,中土 are China's other names.

You somehow misunderstood "造字如星斗,渺茫萬象從", your translation was more like "造字從星斗,渺茫萬象如" by switching 如 and 從.

I am impressed by your translating skill in general. I don't have your economy and fluency since I am not native to English. Thanks for improving my translation.

mike:

令狐沖:

Did you wrote the poem? If not, you seems to have misunderstood the intent of the poem. The poem is not about China, but about the Creation of Beauty and Grandeur through Arts. Here is my translation.


神州思壯美 The people seeks Grandeur and Elegance
源遠古難蹤 Yet their origins were hard to trace

靈玉乃後物 Elegance arrives late
磅礡在青銅 Grandeur matures early

銅玉性相異 Although their natures are distinct
慧心使之熔 But Wisdom can weld them into one

剛大移山海 Mountains and Oceans are moved by Strength
柔媚轉彩虹 Gentleness sets rainbows to dance

飛揚有法度 Follow their inner principles to shine and dazzle
大和歸正中 All converges to the Grand Harmony

造字如星斗 Words are created according to the heavenly Stars
渺茫萬象從 Seek your Wisdom in it

幾字透神機 The Mystery of Heaven is found in each Character
天人一心通 Heaven and Man are one

中土明如鏡 Clear your mind like a mirror
天象變無窮 Then the infinity of Heaven will appear

生生演不盡 Creation never ends, life brings forth life
力與美同宗 From the same Source, Beauty and Strength came


Anonymous:

Thousands of people joined protests around the globe Friday accusing China of relentless human rights abuses as the Beijing Olympics kicked off with a dazzling, three-hour opening ceremony.

Demonstrators took to the streets of London, Brussels, Berlin, Amsterdam, Kathmandu, Bangkok, Hong Kong, New Delhi and Washington among others to voice concerns ranging from China's rule of Tibet to its support for Myanmar's junta.

China has painted the Games as a celebration of three decades of economic reforms and hopes it will showcase a rapidly modernising country.

But activists across the world are using them to pressure Beijing over its rule of Tibet and the heavily Muslim Xinjiang province, the arrests of dissidents, censorship and concerns about Chinese foreign policy.

Three foreign protestors managed to breach tight security near the Bird's Nest Olympic stadium in Beijing to stage a brief, 40-second protest and pull out Tibetan flags an hour before the opening ceremony burst into life.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hZgptkRauC3-7rODgzql2eXSMiXA

令狐沖:

I put up a post in Mr. Pomfret site:

Instead of more politics, I like to provide some background for the aesthetics of the opening ceremony of the Olympics since it has impressed many foreign peoples. The Transaltion below is more an explanation due to the limitation of my English skills:

神州思壯美
源遠古難蹤
靈玉乃後物
磅礡在青銅
銅玉性相異
慧心使之熔
剛大移山海
柔媚轉彩虹
飛揚有法度
大和歸正中
造字如星斗
渺茫萬象從
幾字透神機
天人一心通
中土明如鏡
天象變無窮
生生演不盡
力與美同宗


神州思壯美
The Sacred Continent (another name for China) desires Grand Beauty
源遠古難蹤
with an origin too ancient to trace
靈玉乃後物
The Elegance of jade is only a later work
磅礡在青銅
The Majestic should be found in her early bronze
銅玉性相異
The Elegant and the Majestic do not mix in nature
慧心使之熔
Her wisdom has welded them in one Aesthetics:
剛大移山海
With a Strength shift the Mountains and Oceans
柔媚轉彩虹
And a beauty set the rainbows to dance
飛揚有法度
Its freedom never drifts from inner principles
大和歸正中
for all converges to the Grand Harmony in the middle
造字如星斗
A script like the Stars in heaven is created accordingly
渺茫萬象從
The Script exhausts all forms in the Universe
幾字透神機
The magic of Dao is through each Character
天人一心通
Heaven and Men are to be united in one
中土明如鏡
The Middle Earth (China calls herself) is as clear as a Mirror
天象變無窮
Reflecting the heavenly forms evolving endlessly
生生演不盡
The life of life never ends Here
力與美同宗
for Beauty and Strength descend from the same source

gfdfghgfgrdrheshfbegfnfcxhgrdgfchfexhghtc:

---If the sun does not shine in Beijing, then how the hell there grow trees and plants.---

are you on drugs, idiot?

Anonymous:

To the US Right-wing brainwashed gfdfghgfgrdrheshfbegfnfcxhgrdgfchfexhghtc,

If the sun does not shine in Beijing, then how the hell there grow trees and plants.

Only your government always dreaming to the Mars,
idiot. Why don't you change your name to Idiot:)
Like most of your politicians and media peoples.

gfdfghgfgrdrheshfbegfnfcxhgrdgfchfexhghtc:

Now that Beijing has held the Opening Ceremony for the Olympic Games that will introduce this emerging city to the world, one question remains for China:

You're really going through with this?

You're really going to subject the world's greatest athletes minus Adrian Peterson to the environmental equivalent of a dirty bomb? You're going to hold a marathon in which each runner carries his own oxygen tent? You're going to hold a Summer Olympics without the sun?

Anonymous:

Jeez, guys!

Why couldn't we just shut up for two weeks!

James:

---Listen to this James! Now you know why your view is un-common in west's media.

You should never delette Jame's comments for their rudeness ( I don't mind it at all).---

Sure, my dear idiot. the truth hurts much. or, my idiot?

莫大先生衡山掌門如鬼如魅如影隨形一招得手着着追殺:

Mr. Zakaria,

Listen to this James! Now you know why your view is un-common in west's media.

You should never delette Jame's comments for their rudeness ( I don't mind it at all).

James:

yes idiot.. you know everything.. the future, the past and how retarted you are.. keep dreaming, my dear idiot..

莫大先生衡山掌門如鬼如魅如影隨形一招得手着着追殺:

Cursing "fat" is in fact American idiocy...

Now I know where you are from...

Anonymous:

---You reminded me American diplomacy---

my dear idiot, you remind me a fat stupid idiot.

莫大先生衡山掌門如鬼如魅如影隨形一招得手着着追殺:

James,

You reminded me American diplomacy.

Anonymous:

One World, One Dream" is the slogan that was chosen for the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Many might criticize the phrase for being a bit banal. But to Chua Chin Hon, the long-time China correspondent and photographer, the slogan is "astonishingly naïve" when applied to a country rife with religious intolerance and a growing threat of terror. What's more, the slogan reveals nothing about the country's complex changes and frightening contradictions.
"What kind of world is that supposed to be?" asks award-winning conceptual artist Ai Weiwei on his blog. "No democracy, no civil rights, a lack of equality and fairness, only double-dealing and treachery," Ai adds.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,570717,00.html

Anonymous:

Thousands of people joined protests around the globe Friday accusing China of relentless human rights abuses as the Beijing Olympics kicked off with a dazzling, three-hour opening ceremony.

Demonstrators took to the streets of London, Brussels, Berlin, Amsterdam, Kathmandu, Bangkok, Hong Kong, New Delhi and Washington among others to voice concerns ranging from China's rule of Tibet to its support for Myanmar's junta.

China has painted the Games as a celebration of three decades of economic reforms and hopes it will showcase a rapidly modernising country.

But activists across the world are using them to pressure Beijing over its rule of Tibet and the heavily Muslim Xinjiang province, the arrests of dissidents, censorship and concerns about Chinese foreign policy.

Three foreign protestors managed to breach tight security near the Bird's Nest Olympic stadium in Beijing to stage a brief, 40-second protest and pull out Tibetan flags an hour before the opening ceremony burst into life.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hZgptkRauC3-7rODgzql2eXSMiXA

James:

May I ask where you are from, if you don't mind?


No.

莫大先生衡山掌門如鬼如魅如影隨形一招得手着着追殺:

James,

May I ask where you are from, if you don't mind?

James:

--Westerners should let go their foolishness and false pride.---

My dear idiot, what are you atlking about?

---All hysterical China bashings are ironically the west's prophecy of the return of the King.---

What are you talking about? Are you on drugs?

---As a Chinese myself, when western media or even some of my schoolmates or housemates made accusing comments, I used to feel hurt, but now, I look at it more like looking at a comedy of clumsy acting.---

If you like to be a clow..

---Heard that Americans will walk the stadium in masks...---

Well, better to hide your face behind a mask then to breathing Bejing air and chinese factitiousness.

James:

---Yet the world is returning to its traditional picture charecteristically with the return of China though may take a very long time (yes, will take a long time, otherwise, China won't be hosting the worthless Olympics that seriously at all).--


My dear idiot are you say the Olympics are worthless?

---Western powers are more like bandits (literally) turned rulers,----

My dear idiot, where is your respectfull talk? Why are you calling Western people bandits when itself China ocupied 3/4 of PRC teritory by amry and paramilitary forces?

---China is the true king in serious history ( a true king can take a great deal of humilation).---

my dear idiot, what are you talking about?

---When look back 200 years from the future, this will be very clear.---

My dear idiot... Wich technology gives you such power to look into the Future?

James:

--but at heart,---

my dear idiot, what are you talking about?

--a disrespectful, confussed, emotionally rude, spiritually "barbaric" culture.--

Why are you saying that culture of Han people is such underdeveloped? Why are you insulting those people?

---Second, though speaking of equality, freedom, recognizing wrongfulness of colonialism, slavery etc.---

Yes. Chinese do not use equality, freedom in Tibet and other ocupated countries.

---yet no fundamental changes in heart, the same master-conquiring-the-world mindset, same rudeness.---

i agree. Today chinese are the same like in a time of Qing and their invasion and genozide of small ethics in the West and North Qing Empire. China and it colonialism never changed from a time of Yellow Emperor.

James:

--These two observations also show that westerners are poor strategists.--

My dear idiot. Are you in a war with westerners?

--One can protest against one's own parents or government but a foreign people or a foreign nation.--

What are you trying to say here?

---Respectful communication should always be the norm with foreign peoples.---

My dear idot. Where is chinese respect? Where is chinese respectful comunication? You self are not capable to talk with respect.

--Westerners' China bashing have shown two things:--

"Bashing"? My dear idiot. Its called "Critism" not "Bashing". Bashing is what chinese goverment usualy does. Critism is what all toher world is trying to tell chinese. I know you are just another brainwashed ans perverted chinese idiot, who cant understand diferences between those two things. But why do you not try to learn about. Anyway you are not in China anymore and you should to learn a language and understanding of your new homeland now..

--First, despite a surface brilliant dominating civilization,---

my dear idiot. whyt are you talking about?

James:

---The images of western heroic protestors are like those of the heroic Nazis in their time. Self-congraduating at the moment, but will look embarrassing in the future. ----


my dear idiot. why are you calling western people protestors? And why are you glorifying Nazis? What are you iding about the Future? Is China going to try a war against western protesters? Do you not learned to respect of their culture and worlds future?

james:

--even westerners themselves don't respect it and use it to spit at a forgein host's face--

my dear idiot. its nice and right to spit into chinese face. chinese spit into mongolian and tibetan and eorlds faces to long already.

aside that chinese perverted olympic games by using it for rising a pressure on tibetan and north-west ocupied countries.

like you are trying to pervert all non-chinese people and their culture by a lie and arrogant insults.

james:

Dear James, thanks for correcting.

my dear idiot, its "the correction" not "correcting".

aside that your Chinese Language is awful.

莫大先生衡山掌門如鬼如魅如影隨形一招得手着着追殺:

Dear James, thanks for correcting.

james:

-------Jeez, why American wanna walk into the stadium with mask, aren't they born already with a mask?:)-----

my dear idiot, what at the heck are you talking about?

james:

---It has become "universal" because people respected it--

my dear idiot, olimpics are international not universal.

Anonymous:

To 莫大先生衡山掌門如鬼如魅如影隨形一招得手着着追殺,

Jeez, why American wanna walk into the stadium with mask, aren't they born already with a mask?:)

it is natural, and gene of American 'culture'.

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court action civil filed in the u s district ourt for southern district of texas in houston kamal karn roy et al v homeland security dept of u s c/o u s president's office , white house , washington dc on 7.21. 2008 that two u s presidential hopefuls b obama and john mccain gop were not u s citizens on birth by pursuant to any u s statute or u s constitution, the u s constitution defined natural born citizen of ua and naturalised citizens of usa, only us born citizens were stipulated to de u president, at the tme of births obama dob 1961 & john mccain dob 1938 were out of jurisdiction of us any kind or no staute existed to make them natural born citizen of us. they or nobodyfor them filed for their lawful residence in usa and 100 % scopes did in fact exist that they are undocumented aliens in usa. the homeland security dept of usa was demanded to take obama and mccain in their custody for their civil violation to try to violate u s constitution to become u s president in 2008 .
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莫大先生衡山掌門如鬼如魅如影隨形一招得手着着追殺:

Culturally the Olympics is only western. It has become "universal" because people respected it. But now, since even westerners themselves don't respect it and use it to spit at a forgein host's face, it is no more universal. From now on, none-western countries will be conservative with applying hosting it.

The images of western heroic protestors are like those of the heroic Nazis in their time. Self-congraduating at the moment, but will look embarrassing in the future.

These two observations also show that westerners are poor strategists.

One can protest against one's own parents or government but a foreign people or a foreign nation. Respectful communication should always be the norm with foreign peoples. Westerners' China bashing have shown two things: First, despite a surface brilliant dominating civilization, but at heart, a disrespectful, confussed, emotionally rude, spiritually "barbaric" culture. Second, though speaking of equality, freedom, recognizing wrongfulness of colonialism, slavery etc. yet no fundamental changes in heart, the same master-conquiring-the-world mindset, same rudeness.

Yet the world is returning to its traditional picture charecteristically with the return of China though may take a very long time (yes, will take a long time, otherwise, China won't be hosting the worthless Olympics that seriously at all). Western powers are more like bandits (literally) turned rulers, China is the true king in serious history ( a true king can take a great deal of humilation). When look back 200 years from the future, this will be very clear. Westerners should let go their foolishness and false pride. All hysterical China bashings are ironically the west's prophecy of the return of the King.

As a Chinese myself, when western media or even some of my schoolmates or housemates made accusing comments, I used to feel hurt, but now, I look at it more like looking at a comedy of clumsy acting.

Heard that Americans will walk the stadium in masks...

Anonymous:

ALL THE WORLD POLITICAL OLYMPIANS:

LET'S STOP FOR TRUCE TO RESPECT THE WORLD, TO REST OUR OWN BELIEF FOR ONE MONTH, TO RESPECT THE TRUE MEANING OF OLYMPIC:

IT IS ABOUT THE WHOLE WORLD AND EVERYONE.
LET'S PUT DOWN EACH ONE'S OWN BELIEF ASIDE TO HONOR THOSE WHO PICK ENEMY'S HAND RATHER THAN A GUN.
LET'S PUT DOWN THE BAT, AND SMILE TO EACH OTHER WITH TEARS AND SCARS.
LET'S SHUT UP FOR ONE MONTH TO RESPECT THE GAMES.

AND I PROMISE THERE WILL BE A BASH AFTER OLYMPIC HERE.

BUT NOW LET'S STOP THE BASHING FOR EVERYONE AND FOR OUR WORLD TOO.

laughing:

>Anonymous:
>
>the chinese power and hegemony are coming!....despotism and >all! if people do not take action toward the forces coming from >the East, many of us here and beyond would be displaced >physically as well as culturally. i say: encourage the brake up of >china as we know it now...into several independent states. >Europe stopped the advances of Ottoman empire by foresight >as well as planning.
>
>call it whatever you may, china, as a monolithic power, is a >threat that is gathering momentum.

I used to get a little angry reading such ranting, but now I read with amusement, even enjoyment. Yes, I admit I enjoy seeing such desperation while China is advancing.

>one learns a lot from history....history is more than yesterdays >edition of our local newspaper.

What history? Did you really fear that yesterday's invasions of China by western powers and Japan would be reversed tomorrow?


Anonymous:

It was the same in the taxi on the way out to Daxing: The driver or the interpreter would stop and ask someone for directions, giving only the name of the road; if that failed, and it usually did because given the size of the city and the rate at which it changes, you could live a long life here and not know a tenth of it, they would mention a certain "re-education through labour" camp or a particular detention centre, and suddenly, the directions would come fast and furious.

In other words, everyone here knows or suspects at least some of what goes on under their noses - as do most of us who come here as visitors - but few look too carefully.

When it is uncomfortable, or bad for business, or outright dangerous to acknowledge even central facts of your own existence, not so many folks will do it head on. As former Washington Post Beijing bureau chief Philip Pan ruefully concludes in his new book, Out of Mao's Shadow, "The hard truth ... is that many people aren't looking and that the Communist Party is winning the battle for the nation's future."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080807.OLYBLATCHFORD07/TPStory/Comment

Anonymous:

Anonymous:


the chinese power and hegemony are coming!....despotism and all! if people do not take action toward the forces coming from the East, many of us here and beyond would be displaced physically as well as culturally. i say: encourage the brake up of china as we know it now...into several independent states. Europe stopped the advances of Ottoman empire by foresight as well as planning.
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call it whatever you may, china, as a monolithic power, is a threat that is gathering momentum.

i am encouraged by the strategic alliance developing between india and the US on nuclear technology. i read such cooperation as an important step to stem the tide appearing in the Eastern horizon.

one learns a lot from history....history is more than yesterdays edition of our local newspaper.

Anonymous:

*Anonymous


the chinese power and hegemony are coming!....despotism and all! if people do not take action toward the forces coming from the East, many of us here and beyond would be displaced physically as well as culturally. i say: encourage the brake up of china as we know it now...into several independent states. Europe stopped the advances of Ottoman empire by foresight as well as planning.

call it whatever you may, china, as a monolithic power, is a threat that is gathering momentum.

i am encouraged by the strategic alliance developing between india and the US on nuclear technology. i read such cooperation as an important step to stem the tide appearing in the Eastern horizon.

one learns a lot from history....history is more than yesterdays edition of our local newspaper.

Anonymous:

// A better place for Bush to give human right lectures is Iraq.

Shameless Americans...//

I don't think native americans or black americans hold the view of US media, it is mostly white people holding this view, that is, the descendants of the colonists and slave traders who genocided or enslaved their fathers and mothers. Shameless white americans...to be accurate.

Anonymous:

To JoAnn,

You Said:
"President George W. Bush is going to make a statement about human rights (hypocrisy or not), and your Chinese Premier and President is going to listen to it, with their ears and eyes wide open, whether they like it or not."

My Answer:
I know why Chinese Premier and President listen to Bush with their ears and eyes wide open.

They are stricken by the acting skill and art of American propaganda, they may think:

"Wow! So professional! Look at the American! Look at Bush! We are so faraway! We've got to stop watching Chinese Soap Opera now, and subscribe to American blackbox cable, and go to street of Beijing to buy all the illegal copies of Hollywood movies, we must learn the best acting skill in the world. we thought only US porns were good, but we really got to learn some English, and our English level are the same as Mr. George Bush who was a Yale grad. and we understand every word he say. Look, How could he stand there give his big speech while his approval point goes to 20? If we ever get that low, the Tienanmen Square would already be independent. Sigh, he is so lucky to born as American politician over those nice and naive people. Aiyee, it is just fate!"

Meanwhile, Bush had some Chinese 60% liquor, and could not hold himself, continued what he was talking on 'human rice', because, after some cups, he spoke gradually faster, also, he wanted to save time on his routine speech, and some that he could not remember. But he remembered that Jintao (his new buddy of communist party) promised him to take him to the Great Wall and look at Mongols that he once he read about at his high school year, and the Qing Emperor's dragon chair, and he also wanted to purchase some of the cheap Gucci and LV bags on the way home, so when he go back to US, he would give each friend a bag.

Eventually, half dreaming, half speaking and half vomiting, he finished what he said, and was carried to his chair by Yao Ming and an American basketball player, while he was yelling fully drunken toward his secretary:

"See, I told you these communists are not bad. Too bad I listened to my dad for all these years."

And the procession of dancing team that chosen from 56 ethnic group of China, with each of different tradition and dress and unique dance occupying the center court of feast table, and one of them are Tibetan, also WeiWuEr, when Bush translator told him they were Tibetan, he was dumbfounded, and thought himself:

"I thought they were all killed, oops, CIA gave me another wrong report"

Anonymous:

to those Tibetan separatists,

If Communist government really did genocide in Tibet, then why you still standing and shouting.

What is population of Tibetan right now? 2.5M.
The population of Tibetan in 1950 was 1.5M.
-Wikipedia

If Communist Party really did genocide, why there is 60% growth of Tibetan population within 50 years? And how difficult to kill 1.5M people in the period of 50 years?

You want to see a real evidence of genocide?

Go to US America, to the Indian reservations, take a count of # of native Indian and look at the trash land. Go to South America, to the Maya city tombs, take look at the bones and grass. Then you know what is a real genocide.

If people in Tibet really do not have their own freedom for religion, then why would thousands monks throw stones at the police for years? No wonder the monks are not educated, because their master secretly abandoned them 50 years ago. I would give him a Nobel Runaway prize, because he ran away from his country, from his faithfuls, from his pupils, from his religion and teaching and his faith, and surely he is no Savior, a truly good master who never run away, even died on the cross that made by western politicians. That is why I do not trust those Tibetan Separatist, nor I trust any words out of Dalai's mouth.

Chinese Communist Government is weak, everyone knows, so all the cowards in the world want to get on her for a ride.

mike:

Actually, I have a lot less problems with President Bush speaking about human righst with President Hu than let's say, a bunch of half literate western journalists who can't even find Lhasa on the map. At least he is the president of the US, and, despite what anyone might say, he represents the USA, and he can speak on behalf of the country. I also think that, regardless of his shortcomings, Bush actually understands China, and is realistic and pragmatic in his approachd the country.

I find these self-righteous, pompous, arrogant and self-style "defenders of Tibet" and "arbiters of the moral truth" western journalists, and their brainwahsed, dim-witted and lazy readers to be the worst kind of China-bashers. But in the end, who cares.What they say really do not matter in the larger scheme of things. Tibet is a part of China, and no country in thewhole wide world, all 205+ of them, recognize it as anything remotely independent. A bunch of fake tibetan-exiles crying and hewing and hawing in front of a video camera does not make a nation born!

As for naivereader...I still dont get your writing. You need to gain a stronger command of the English language, otherwise, it's kinda useless conversing with you on anything. There is no such thing as a "Canton language"...but there is something call "Cantonese", which by the way is a regional dialect.

Anonymous:

To jhtf:

Oh, no way!
We are observing how American observing us, Chinese.
Let's see how American get into Chinese issues with respect of human rights, or hunan rice, or democracy:)

To JoAnn:

Get tired of your American boyfriend, like John Pomfret? Do you like Chinese food? Wanna go some where else with me to extend our American and Chinese relation? I like the way you talking:)

Anonymous:

A better place for Bush to give human right lectures is Iraq.

Shameless Americans...

Anonymous:

so who's gonna win best acting for political drama this year?

Bush talking about human rights?
Or Hu Jintao listening patiently?

jhtf:

--To all Chinese out there--

lol. actualy this topic has no one chinese.

JoAnn:

Let us see.

To all Chinese out there, you know what, for all the sleaze that is wafting from across the globe, President George W. Bush is going to make a statement about human rights (hypocrisy or not), and your Chinese Premier and President is going to listen to it, with their ears and eyes wide open, whether they like it or not.

Now the above will happen despite the fact that President George W. Bush's cousin hobnobs with the Chinese O pressors.

Lesson# 2: Diplomacy is a two way street.

Ahmed Kamel:

A very insightful commentary by Mr. Zakaria.
It is clear from the language of our leaders and our media that we have not learned how to dialogue with ascending nations such as China, Russia, Brazil, India, and others. If they do not agree with how we believe they should "run" their country we bash them. Mr. Zakaria's advice to alter our approach to dialogue respectfully yet with confidence will lead to mutual benefits. Unfortunately, we are more comfortable with the win-lose mentality as opposed to the win-win mentality.
Good advice Mr. Zakaria but we have to wait for President Obama to have a chance to try this approach.

Anonymous:

I am so afraid Chinese communist government would deal Tibetan separatists like US government did to Native Indians.

But I think the communist party are better than US government, because so many Tibetans in China now; not as in US, you cannot find Native Indians, they all became white bone of the field, and their culture and writing like Mayan, that to be discovered; and a few of them lived through under the Spanish and European genocide and all bear Christian names.

Thank God, Columbus did not really discover China and India, otherwise, no Chinese, no Tibetan, no Manchurian, no Mongolian, no Cantonese, no Taiwanese, no Vietnamese, no Thai....

Just a few casinos on a vast wasteland.

Can I say God bless America and Heil Spain!

Anonymous:

---Ottoman empire threat to europe.---

wow! "Ottoman" an Archaic word, whatever you call your empire, well, it does not even exist in world history book.

zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZ

Anonymous:

Jeez, Who did give Bush a visa to China?
His majority American peoples don't even want to invite him for dinner:)

Anonymous:

//INDEPENDENT WROTE: Were I to invite someone to my house and this person strongly criticized me in front of my guests, I would consider such a person very rude, having poor manners. //

Yawns are contagious for dogs too, study finds.

Independent:


There is an article in "The Washington Post" today about Bush intending to strongly criticize Chinese government for human rights abuses. Bush is certainly one to talk credibly about this issue. The Bush-Cheney administration has been responsible for more human rights abuses than any other administration in our country. Bush may be considered the worst president in our history, almost certainly will be considered one of five worst presidents by most American historians.

Were I to invite someone to my house and this person strongly criticized me in front of my guests, I would consider such a person very rude, having poor manners. Most people in China will likely regard Bush as being rude, just as the majority of Americans would have considered any foreign leader who visited our country to strongly criticize deficienices in the past or contemporary era.

Anonymous:


i say: china, as it stands today, is a threat to the world.
why let be such a threat?? i say: break it up into different independent states. such strategy worked in diminishing the Ottoman empire threat to europe.

Naive reader:

--Ok, naive reader...you should really master the English language before you tackle the nuanced art of "China-bashing"...I can hardly understand you. What the heck is 'Canton language', just to name a few? never mind, I dont have time to decipher another one of your post...good day to you.

Not only are western media journalists jumping on the bandwagon, but freakish zealots from Galun Gong to Free Tibet are also getting in on the cat. The funny thing is that this is the one moment that anyone would ever pay any attention to them. Once the Olympics are over, it's back under the rock.--

Where is your point? what are you trying to say? i do not understand you? do you speak English?
You are trying to ignore Canton Language? Are you arrogant chinese?

Osha:

I actually wrote this for Pomfret's Blog but it fits here too.

It seems to me that there is a lot of hostility and negativity that is expressed towards China in the media, much like the same type of hostility that was expressed towards Japan and the USSR when I was a kid. I suppose its natural for competitors to get emotional about things, but I was wondering if you could post something about the advantages of a strong and vital competitor to citizen's of the US.

It could be argued that the short period of american hegemony after the fall of the USSR have been disastrous showing many of the same earmarks of any monopoly that actually succeeds in cornering a market. The post-WWII period of the Cold War, in comparison brought us the civil rights movement, the UN council on Human Rights, the Marshall Plan, the GI Bill, the revitalization of public school math and science instruction and numerous other similar institutions to ensure an educated and prosperous middle class. The absence of a competitor state has emboldened our elites to make war on our citizenry, grabbing ever larger portion of available resources for an ever smaller new aristocracy at the cost of the great american middle-class.

as far as whether China deserves to be a super-power, they have succeeded in pulling 1/5 of the world's population up out of the muck of ignorance and abject poverty. Lack of education and lack of opportunity are the two tyrants in human history that have done more harm then all the various captains, kings and pirates put together. I am reminded, however, of the story of the boy who came across some birds trapped in the mud. He tied a string to each one and pulled them out. Here is his dilemma, if he releases the strings then the birds may fly away and never return, if he holds the strings then he will never know peace because the birds will fly every which way at the ends of their strings. Soon the strings will tangle binding up the birds again and the boy and they will be trapped in a worse situation than before.

Anonymous:

// zqll Wrote:
Does China allow free elections, free speech, free press, freedom of religion, freedom of association? Does China still beat up on journalists?

Maybe Zakaria should go to China and investigate human rights conditions over there. //

// ANONYMOUS wrote: One must distinguish arrogance and pride. Arrogance and ignorance nuture each other. //

Back then people used to giggle whenever "Chinese O ppressors" were mentioned in a conversation.

True. Ignorance has to have its limits.

Anonymous:

// The ignorance and arrogance of certain US guys are the best censorship ever. //

Well said. I have been amazed by how unreally ignorant US people are. A German told me that a classmate of his (of US) asked him if there were movie stars in Germany!!

One must distinguish arrogance and pride. Arrogance and ignorance nuture each other.

zqll:

Somebody sez:

"China, an old civilization capable of forever self-renewal of her youth."

Yeah, right! If she doesn't kill them in Tiaenimen Square or in the womb.

And Zakaria should read "Brave New World." He would like the old and future song:
"4ImunurI."
Orgy-porgy everyone!

And what is this Zakaria advice that we should"
"integrate them into existing structures of power and lay out new rules of the road to secure peace and prosperity."

Ignorance? Hasn't China been a permanent member of the UN Security Council since the "40s?
And didn't libs have a cow when China was given "most favorite nation" status?

Does China allow free elections, free speech, free press, freedom of religion, freedom of association? Does China still beat up on journalists?

Maybe Zakaria should go to China and investigate human rights conditions over there.

阿健:

Zakaria's article is OK, what is unusual is why and how an ordinary, rational, healthier view has become such a rarity amid the vulgarity and hypocrisy of west's media, if not in a certain extend in its intellectual communities as well.

All these piling-ups of the vulgarity of the western mindset as the most prominent in the past a few months reflect the state of western culture more than the reality of China. It has almost nothing to do with China if I may say. Most great civilizations died of internal decay. This shamelessly sky high hypocrisy of the west is edvidently the west's own prophecy of the return of China, an old civilization capable of forever self-renewal of her youth.


阿健:


Quoting anonymous:

//Somali,

being good is not a zero sum game. wise up!//


Sounds like a traditional British colonist before leaving his colony, always tries to create hatred and division in and among others.

YG, Shanghai, China:

Glad to see the post, different from most I have read, it put the feelings of Chinese people into the scene.

I just would like to mention one point: even if Chinese media is controlled by the government and American people enjoy a much high level of all kind of freedom, an average Chinese people still knows much better about US than an average US people knows about China.

When I was in the US for the first time, I soon realized the China in the local (US) newspaper is far from the China I had been living in for so many years. Ironically, the US in my eyes is no different from the one I knew from Chinese media.

The ignorance and arrogance of certain US guys are the best censorship ever.

Anonymous:

Somali,

being good is not a zero sum game. wise up!

mike:

Ok, naive reader...you should really master the English language before you tackle the nuanced art of "China-bashing"...I can hardly understand you. What the heck is 'Canton language', just to name a few? never mind, I dont have time to decipher another one of your post...good day to you.

Not only are western media journalists jumping on the bandwagon, but freakish zealots from Galun Gong to Free Tibet are also getting in on the cat. The funny thing is that this is the one moment that anyone would ever pay any attention to them. Once the Olympics are over, it's back under the rock.


Anonymous:

Naive Reader,

You are like one going in a house of others but is only interseted in the toilet in the house. You stick your head in it, inhale hard, and say "Your house stinks!".

Be aware of your health.

In fact, you just act like many western reporters. Here is a poem for you that I just put up in Pomfret's site for him. If you don't read Chinese, don't worry about it:

今有逐臭之夫

昔聞逐臭夫
其妻腋下抱
此事太離奇
當時信不了
今多羅馬後
相似頗不少
華廈多香室
其唯愛廁澡
伸頭馬桶內
吸氣恐不飽
復指主人面
汝家臭不好﹗
問其何不去
謀生賴此道
求臭在他國
搜羅恐不到
賣臭在自家
供求頗同調
其國性如此
其民有此好
我為其擔心
我為其煩惱﹕
有日天下香
臭業能不倒﹖

Naive reader:

to "essence of china bashing in western media" idiot:

An NTV reporter and a photographer from The Tokyo Shimbun were beaten and temporarily detained by Chinese police in Kashgar in China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region while reporting a bombing incident that killed 16 police there Monday, according to the Japanese Embassy in Beijing.

The two suffered minor injuries after they were beaten in detention, the embassy said.

According to an NTV spokesman, a 37-year-old reporter, a TV camera operator and a Chinese assistant were working near a paramilitary border patrol facility, when a group of border patrol policemen detained the reporter at the facility at about 10:50 p.m., on Monday. The reporter was punched in the face several times, the spokesman said.

As they were bringing him into the facility, the police told the reporter that pictures of the facility were prohibited, NTV said. The reporter was released about two hours later.

The spokesman said: "The crew wasn't filming at the time [the reporter was detained]. We regret that the reporter was beaten even though he acted according to procedures."

Meanwhile, a 38-year-old Tokyo Shimbun photographer was surrounded by a group of paramilitary policemen in Kashgar at about 10:45 p.m., on Monday as he took photographs, a Tokyo Shimbun spokesman said.

The policemen seized his two cameras and took him into the facility, where he was kicked in the face and the side. He was released after about two hours, according to the spokesman.

The Japanese Embassy in Beijing lodged a formal protest with the Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry over the incidents Tuesday morning, demanding China prevent similar incidents in the future.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/olympics/20080806TDY02306.htm

Naive reader:

--you do take the gold for the most ignorant post about China on this list--

WOWWOWOW! Who was talking about China here?! I was talking about his article.

-- There are so many factual mistakes I dont even know ehere to begin...so I wont bother.--

Well, when you have nothing to say, you should not start to talk. and now, RUN FOREST!! RUN!!

--Just for your future references...the "Canton Language" that you refered to is actually closer to the original, true Chinese...--

Nope.. Its not "true Chinese". Its Canton Language.

--while Mandarin, a northern dialect,---

WHAHAHAHA. NO. Mandarin was oficialy language used in burocracy system of Qing Empire for Middle and north China.. (and i mean that China wich was south of Great Wall and east of Tibet) With a time it becames a Language of Beijing. And after Chinese Comunist were failed to install a phonetic alphabet they choiced Mandarin as language of China. And all people of PRC.

--is more of a hybrid with lots of infusion of languages from the northern tribes that existed along China's log border.--

nope. it was a oficialy burocrat Language used by Qing. and word "tribes" is failed here..

--But regardless...both are consider a form of Chinese.--

Nope.. Both are very different Languages with own different dialects and writing systems.

--Choosing one over the other has to do with history, and nothing else.---

WHAT? NOTHING ELSE?!

--And....the Han that you refer to is only 90% of the population, and the rest is made up of more than 50 other large and small ethnic groups....--

So what are you trying to say?

Chinese are still not 1,3 billion of people Chinese are around 900 millions.

--and a testament to China's imperial past.--

everything in China can be a testament to China's imperial past.

--But this does not mean that China as a nation has no right to be a unitary state. ---

Everyone has a right to have a rigth to be a unitary space. But today China is it not.

---You need to do a bit more studying of history and political theories.--

lol.. kid, stop to talk what about you do not know and go to the shool.

essence of china bashing in western media:

Fair authors like Zakaria are rare in western media. Most of the rest are like the Christian in the drama below. It is indeed a consequence of ignorance, but it is even more of a consequence of hypocrisy. On the surface, the west has made china look very bad, but in essence, those western journalists have done deep harm to the western world with its honesty and creditbility. I hope western people realize that.

essence of china bashing in western media (quoting the post from below):

A Gangster-turned-Christian apparently is trying to convert another Gangster, here is their dialogue:

Christian: You gangster are doing all bad things no good! You got to convert in order to save your soul.

Gangster: What you are saying about me isn’t true. More truth will come out.

Christian: The whole world believes what I say.

Gangster: That’s because you control the world. However, even if what you are saying about me were true, you still can't preach to me like this.

Christian: Why not?

Gangster: You were worse regarding what you did to that red Indian girl and that black African boy. You were a white colonist and a slave owner.

Christian: That doesn’t count. It was only in the past.

Gangster: But the descendants of that red Indian girl are still going out to protest on your birthday -- every July 4th.

Christain: Precisely! They are free to protest! Freedom! Democracy! Do you have those?! Do you! Do you!

Gangster: You seem very forgetful, shamelessly self-forgiving and self-congraduating. Well, however, you are still doing the same, see what you are doing to that Iraqi girl. You are an invader and a war profiteer.

Christian: That is different. It isn’t about me, it is about you, you!

Gangster: That seems very indifferent of you.

Christian: No! I am full of passion, My heart aches when I think of that poor Tibetan boy! I hate any injustice! It is my duty to do justice to this world!

Gangster: But that Hindi guy took Miss Sikk Kim too…

Christian: You shut up, I don’t know who Miss Kim is, the Tibetan boy aches my heart whenever I think of him! Behides, that Hindi guy is basically a good man but you are such a bad person!

Gangster: What!?... Why?

Christian: Because that Hindi guy is a democracy and you are not. Democracy is good. No democracy no good, period!

Gangster: All democracies must be good?

Christian: Yes.

Gangster: How so?

Christian: Because they are like me.

Gangster: Man… I am almost wordless. So far, I must say that you are unreasonably self-centered and self-righteous.

Christian: Shut up! I know the Truth, God speaks to me! You don’t do what I say, I am going to boycott your f**king Olympics!

Gangster: ……Wait a minute……Gosh! Be respectful for yourself! The Olympics is yours! It is your tradition, I am hosting it for you to spread your culture. YOUR culture!

Christian: Mine is universal! Serving my universals is your honor! Failing it is your shame!

Gangster: So if a westerner hosting a Chinese New Year Parade, for whatever reason a Chinese guy doesn't like that westerner and pulls the westerner's pants off in public, you think it is the westerner's shame?

Christian: Yes, because he is embarrassed.

Gangster: It is the westerner's embarrassment indeed, but it is the Chinese guy's shame. For sure, that poor westerner is not going to do the Chinese New Year Parade again. Whose loss is it? Making the Olympics Ugly, yes, my embarrassement, yet your shame! Don't you get that?

Christian: It is your shame! your shame! I insist!

Gangster: Only confused, rude, un-intelligent and fundamentally un-cultured people would think and act that way. You seem very arrogant too. I used to worry how I could catch your guys up, but if this is the character and quality of your men, I am no more worried. Your men are no match of my men! You are no match of me!

Christian: Shut up! You are just such a bad person. And you are stubborn!

Gangster: You are a hypocrite!

Christian: I condemn you!

Gangster (angrily): I contempt you!

Christian: The contempt is mutual!

Gangster: Let it be!

(A moment of silence)

Gangster: Maybe I don’t need that stupid Olympics any more. I am going to cancell it. You will see whose loss it is.

Christian: Wait! You can’t do that either.

Gangster: … … How come? Don’t you want to stop it anyway?

Christian: I still need it to make money in you.

Gangster: Money!? I thought your concern was the Tibetan boy…

Christian: Yes, I still love that poor boy, my heart aches whenever I think of that poor boy, but we can talk about him some other time. It is about me this time.

Gangster: But… but…earlier you just said that it is all about me! The bad person…me?

Christian: It is about me now.

Gangster: So confussing… When will it be about me again?

Christian: I will remind you when I need you the bad person again.

Gangster: You are such a Moral Paper Tiger !

(The End)


mike:

WOW "naive reader"..

you do take the gold for the most ignorant post about China on this list. There are so many factual mistakes I dont even know ehere to begin...so I wont bother. Just for your future references...the "Canton Language" that you refered to is actually closer to the original, true Chinese...while Mandarin, a northern dialect, is more of a hybrid with lots of infusion of languages from the northern tribes that existed along China's log border. But regardless...both are consider a form of Chinese. Choosing one over the other has to do with history, and nothing else. And....the Han that you refer to is only 90% of the population, and the rest is made up of more than 50 other large and small ethnic groups....and a testament to China's imperial past. But this does not mean that China as a nation has no right to be a unitary state. You need to do a bit more studying of history and political theories.

Independent:


Fareed Zakaria's comments are more insightful and objective than most of what is written about China in the western media. Most Americans and probably the majority of journalists writing about China know little about the history or culture of China. As Fareed says, the opinions of many Americans are cliches, which bear little, or no, resemblance to reality in China.

China has been a unified nation, ruled by the Chinese only since 1949 CE. From 1644 to 1911, the Manchus, an alien dynasty, ruled the country. There was disunity, continued foreign imperialism, the Japanese invasion, Japanese atrocities against the Chinese on the scale of the Nazis in Europe, and civil war between 1911 and 1949. I think the Chinese military build-up does not threaten any of China's neighboring countries, but is intended primarily to: 1) maintain internal control, 2) have a strong enough military to prevent any future foreign imperialism or invasions, which characterized western and Japanese involvement in China for about a hundred years, 3) create the capability to attack Taiwan, if the island declares formal independence, 4) protect shipping lanes near China in case of conflict.

The United States, Japan and western Europe expect, actually insist, the rise of China be peaceful. China is not supposed to emulate the examples of the United States, Great Britain, France, Japan and other European nations which often resorted to wars, invasions, imperialism and colonialism during their rise to power in the world. China during its long history has expanded, as the United States and Russia, along its borders. There is no historical precedent I am aware of where China sought overseas conquest.

Most nations in the contemporary era seem to support a world order based upon military non-intervention in other countries, quasi free trade, and peaceful competition. There seems every likelihood Chinese leaders will choose to follow these "rules," based on China's traditions and current economic self-interest.

Chinese leaders likely look upon Gorbachev as being a weak leader, who allowed the Soviet Union to collapse. They do not want anything similar to happen to China. Very few nations, with serious separatist movements, willingly surrender their sovereignty, including the United States during the American civil war. I think Chinese leaders may eventually openly accept an essentially independent Taiwan, but they are unlikely to relinquish control over their westernmost provinces.

The vast majority of the white people in the southern states wanted independence from the United States. Was their efforts to achieve independence thereby justified? As some historians have aptly written, the south lost the Civil War, but arguably "won" the ensuing peace, especially following the end of Reconstruction in 1876 CE.

While the Communists won the Chinese civil war, I think, a persuasive argument can be made the old Nationalist ideology has triumphed in China since
the 1990's CE. The Communists promised land reforms for the peasants and better conditions for urban workers. The quasi laizzez faire capitalism which has prevailed in China for about twenty years represents the antithesis of what Communism was supposed to be all about, at least economically.

The Communist party should change its name because there is very little, or anything, remaining of communism, as an economic and social system, in China. The Communist leadership is far closer to the old Nationalist or contemporary American Republican party in following openly pro-business policies, with insufficient regard for protecting the environment or interest in worker's rights.


Naive reader:

China bashing is not just a right-wing phenomenon.--

Sooo.. my dear kid, you are going the way of chinese nazis who stick "china-bashing" on everything what can be critical to "chinesiness"? interesting..

---Except that Chinese people (who, by the way, number 1.3 billion, not 1
billion) seem to disagree.--

China has not 1,3 billion of chinese people. it are around 900 millions. (acord last chinese statistics of Han-people) there are still millions of non-chinese ethnics. or should i say "not-already siniced" people? (China do change Canton language into madarin and noone give a F_uck about. imagine USA and Canada allow only to teach French in the shools..)

---Of the 24 countries surveyed, the Chinese people
expressed the highest level of support for the direction in which their
country was heading -- 86 percent.--

yeahh sure because they do not know alternatives and possibilities. or do you see other choices for chinese people inside of China? Aside that 80% of Soviet Unions Citizens suported Mr.Stalin and a very big majority of Germans did a same for Hitler. Nice company, not my kid? Chinese happieness pools about Maos politics in a time of cultural revolution anyone? realy you should try to remember that time. Happy Chinese Kids beating their teacher to dead. and that "majority" staying on the side of the roads and cheering them..

---Nearly two out of three said the
government was doing a good job on issues that mattered to them. The survey
questioned more than 3,212 Chinese, face to face, in 16 dialects across the
country.--

whahaha.. realy, you should try to understand what "Dialect" does mean in China..

--China is a complicated country. It has a closed political system but an
open economy and an increasingly vibrant society.--

You forgot "controled by one political party wich control direct a education, court, police, army, economical and bank systems." or should i say it more realisticaly?

---It has been helpful in the negotiations with North Korea--

Whhaha.. remeber what was in North korea not so short time ago. just imagine; north Korea with nuclear weapons and new balistic rocets on the door of Beijing and Changhai. What a new Big player iside of chinese influence area! There are many former korean Land wich koreans can ask China give back. realy, my kid. If you will start to talk about geo-strategical positions of China you should dont forget this position.

--but callous in shielding Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe and the regime in Sudan.

OIL, Resources? aside that what did China so great and new with own politic in Africa? NOTHINg. CHINA DID NOTHING NEW WHAT EUROPEANS OR AMERICANS NOT TRYED.

--Capturing these realities is difficult, but still we have to try.--

lol.. you must be slowest thinker in the world..


--To say that this new China is the same as the old (meaning Mao's totalitarian state) is to
be ignorant, ideological, or both.--

Why? because Mao is lowered deeper and China is now trying to tell "Tibet/Mongolia/North Vietnam/Manchuria/East India/north of the North Korea/Taiwan(yeahh. not to forget this former japans island with chinese invaders there) was, is and will be always Chinese" in a direct imperialistic way than "spread comunism"?

WHY?

JiaMing:

I believe, as Fareed rightly implied, that the bashing (or whatever you call it) of China has a lot to do with the fact that Westerners feel their system and culture inherently superior to anything different. Even within the United States, such feeling of superiority is everywhere to be seen. When the Republicans loudly proclaimed religious tolerance within the government, they are talking about tolerance for Christians only. If you are a Muslim or Buddhist, you are not welcomed to conduct your own prayer to your own god in public facilities such as schools or courtrooms. Somehow the notion of a "Christian Nation" trumps the principle of Separation of Church and States that founded the US. How free is religion in the US when only Christians can bring their religion into the government?

Fareed sees a changing world where the established order of power among nations and more importantly civilizations. His implied message is that whether the traditional Western powers like it or not, they must learn to accept that reality. The West has so far refused to consider the rising powers like China and India as equals. Out of the frustration from the inability to stop such massive restructuring of world order, issues like Tibet and the Beijing Olympics have become the only outlet for their anxiety. The entire Western world, from scholars and intellectuals to working men and women, is mobilized to criticize everything about China.

I do not believe Americans and Europeans will change their attitudes any time soon, even though it is ultimately them who will benefit the most from a realistic approach to deal with a changing world. The West has enjoyed 300 years of dominance over the rest of the planet and it is hard to imagine losing it, even if it is inevitable.

Comment James:

Cue G. John Ikenberry ... We've got an open and inclusive international system that has created an unprecedented level of peace, order, and prosperity. Now we've got to make sure the Chinese join the game as a full player, rather than build an alternative outside of it.

The question, I suppose, is why the Chinese would join this system instead of throwing their weight around. If it truly will be the "Chinese century," why would they want to live in the confines of an American and European-defined order, however equal and relatively just it might be? Especially if America and Europe’s relative power is declining?

Convincing the Chinese of their interests in upholding this system could be one way; and perhaps normative pressure about what's "appropriate" just might work. But if they have enough power to mold the international system according to their own interests or to redefine norms, then we may be in trouble. It could be problematic if they even *anticipate* having enough power in the future to force these changes; they would start taking contrarian stances now (e.g. trade talks), and the US and the West would lose leverage even sooner.

The issue might also be viewed as a matter of nationalism vs. internationalism. When the PRC is getting big and strong and powerful, why would they care about internationalism? The United States has so rampantly disregarded others while it has occupied the role of the hegemon; do we honestly expect a dictatorship to do better? Since when were justice and freedom and equality the foundations of dictatorial rule? (Compared to say, a liberal democracy, where these ideals are cornerstones of society.)

I don't see how we can convince the PRC to play nicely when they don't seem to be nice -- domestically toward dissidents, parents of children crushed by shoddy buildings, and certain minority groups; or abroad, with the parade of pariah states that receive Chinese support. (Sure, we can give a nice rose-colored gleam to their foreign policy. After all, free money is great … unless it goes to dictators and corrupt governments that impoverish and oppress their own people.) Meanwhile, the claims of “non-intervention” are a thinly-veiled attempt to allay criticism of their own domestic actions.

The problem isn’t China-bashing. It just seems like we have to resign ourselves to living in a world where China will dictate what things are like. So we’d better pray that the Chinese people get their act together, gain a sense of ethics, and start adhering to some moral principles, instead of throwing their weight behind an amoral developmental dictatorship with no particular international scruples.

Comment James:

Cue G. John Ikenberry ... We've got an open and inclusive international system that has created an unprecedented level of peace, order, and prosperity. Now we've got to make sure the Chinese join the game as a full player, rather than build an alternative outside of it.

The question, I suppose, is why the Chinese would join this system instead of throwing their weight around. If it truly will be the "Chinese century," why would they want to live in the confines of an American and European-defined order, however equal and relatively just it might be? Especially if America and Europe’s relative power is declining?

Convincing the Chinese of their interests in upholding this system could be one way; and perhaps normative pressure about what's "appropriate" just might work. But if they have enough power to mold the international system according to their own interests or to redefine norms, then we may be in trouble. It could be problematic if they even *anticipate* having enough power in the future to force these changes; they would start taking contrarian stances now (e.g. trade talks), and the US and the West would lose leverage even sooner.

The issue might also be viewed as a matter of nationalism vs. internationalism. When the PRC is getting big and strong and powerful, why would they care about internationalism? The United States has so rampantly disregarded others while it has occupied the role of the hegemon; do we honestly expect a dictatorship to do better? Since when were justice and freedom and equality the foundations of dictatorial rule? (Compared to say, a liberal democracy, where these ideals are cornerstones of society.)

I don't see how we can convince the PRC to play nicely when they don't seem to be nice -- domestically toward dissidents, parents of children crushed by shoddy buildings, and certain minority groups; or abroad, with the parade of pariah states that receive Chinese support. (Sure, we can give a nice rose-colored gleam to their foreign policy. After all, free money is great … unless it goes to dictators and corrupt governments that impoverish and oppress their own people.) Meanwhile, the claims of “non-intervention” are a thinly-veiled attempt to allay criticism of their own domestic actions.

The problem isn’t China-bashing. It just seems like we have to resign ourselves to living in a world where China will dictate what things are like. So we’d better pray that the Chinese people get their act together, gain a sense of ethics, and start adhering to some moral principles, instead of throwing their weight behind an amoral developmental dictatorship with no particular international scruples.

John C:

I think the most pressing issue with China is the trade imbalance. We should begin with an assumption of free trade, but from there we need to build in protections as necessary to compensate for China's lack of pollution standards and workers' rights. It is not too late to regain our footing.

David Hanscom:

I agree that that many Chinese citizens are better off than they were even a handful of years ago but let's not act like they have created a consequence-free society. Millions of Chinese have ridden the economic wave to prosperity in recent years as even something as pedestrian as car ownership would indicate. But, they are not even close to becoming a democratic society and they still use their 1.3 billion people as a throwaway commodity.

What happened at Sago mine two years ago in West Virginia was an around-the-clock media event that resulted in 12 miners losing their lives and was hailed in this country (U.S.), as it rightly should have been, to be a national tragedy. Meanwhile, despite periodic empty promises to reform, the Chinese government does very little to end the practices that result in an average 5500 miners losing their lives annually. Many more are injured and these are just the facts that a tight-lipped government provides to the world. I have not verified these numbers personally but experience has taught me to treat anything coming from Beijing with skepticism. Reform is rare because coal is one of the fuels of their economic engine and its slowing by reform implementation is, to the Chinese leaders, an unacceptable solution. They have no need to protect cheap labor because they have a nearly inexhaustible supply.

Just a quick snapshot here but China also ignores the welfare of Tibetans while they engineer wholesale displacement of the Tibetan people with nationalist Chinese, they view the U.S. as a dumping ground for lead-laden toys, tainted pet food and poisoned medicine without regard for the effects, and it hijacks an internal religious movement by appointing Catholic leaders (the Vatican traditionally picks its own leaders) based on Communist Party affiliation rather than religious experience. All of this is done to protect and expand its economy or to crush any possibility of dissent.

If my neighbor killed my dog, poisoned my wife and threw my kid out in the street so his kid could live in my house and then, when I went to church to pray for deliverance from these tragedies, replaced my minister with a friend of his with no religious training, I would, at the very least, have something strong to say about it. Would Fareed then too refer to my "bashing" as ignorant, idealogical, or both?


Mark:

During last a few years, several surveys have consistently shown that more people in China believe in market economy than Americans. During recent housing crisis in China, Chinese government refuses to stand out to save the market, which is supported by majority of Chinese people. Meanwhile U.S. government has decided to give mortgage industry free ride. Is time for us to invite Chinese government to teach us what market economy is and help us review the concept of capitalism?

It is encouraging to see that so many people are beginning to get it right!!

'Who would have predicted when Nixon visited China in 1972 that 30 some years hence China will become the 3rd biggest importer of US goods? That more Buicks will be sold in China than in the US? That China will buy more US lumber than any other country?

In today’s global economy, battles do not necessarily produce a clear winner and loser. It can well be that we all lose, or we all win. Therefore, we are no longer just opponents. We are in this together. To work out our differences, we can start by getting informed and understanding each other.'

Quoted from: http://blog.chinationreport.com/2008/07/27/why/

Join and discuss why we can't afford to ignore China.

Somali:

The Terrorist They Call "president" Is The Enemy Of Humanity!!

China is a great country. And the Chinese people are a good people. China has power, but Chinese business people who come to Africa to trade are NOt arrogant and they understand the needs of their trading partners.

They don't try to steal from you, like white people have been doing to the globe for centuries. And they don't try to take over your country. They help you build it. Chinese people are honest people who anyone in the world can get along with well. But the white man does not want to get along with other nations. He wants to subjugate then, steal from them and destroy their countries if they don't cooperate with the white thieves and criminals.

Many Africans are discovering that it is better to deal with Chinese people than with white people. Ever since China became a business country recently, many Africans have benefited immensely from trading with the chinese. Africa has benefited from China in a very short time. The chinese are bulding roads, hospitals. White people have been in Africa for centuries. But what has Africa gotten from them? Nothing but brutality, theft, war crimes, slavery, hate, genocides, domination of our countries and societies, in short ONLY ILLS and BAD THINGS came from Europe and North America. I have nothing positive to say about white people. But I have a lot of positive thoughts about Chinese people, a good, honest people!!!

Mike Twomey:

I am surprised to see this many pro-China posts as I have so far. Frankly I couldn't care less what the Chinese do or censor in their own country--I love living in the US and I'd fight to stay if it came to that. However, the fear in mine (and I'm sure many other westerner's eyes) is that China will one day rise up to become the new superpower--something I hope never to see in my lifetime. The rampant pollution, unsustainable growth rate, decreasing population, increasing amount of elderly, and the oil crunch will surely hinder them more than the US in years to come and I can only hope that the US can avoid making similar mistakes in economic policy in the future. Instead we need to provide incentives to be ahead of the curve (examples space, new forms of energy, etc) and do our best to avoid dependancies on foriegn products (yes this includes those happy meal toys from China). This may be a global world but it seems like now is certaintly not the time to integrate. Too many countries hate America for everything it stands for, and even though im sure some raging liberal lunatic will post how we're "ruining everything" and continue to bash Bush like a pinata, I'm proud of our great nation. Too proud to let us fall to China. So if that means we have to suffer higher prices until we can have a little less free trade and a little more American made products, so be it.

Anonymous:


China would dominate the world. We will all be displaced people.
It is a problem waiting to happen!!

Why not do to it what Europe did to the Ottoman Empire?

naysayer47:

For the record, I lived in Shanghai for the past 3 yrs. Yes, I wish we had access to Wikipedia and occasionally porn. I also wish we didn't have Abu Ghraib, Guantanomo Bay, gun ownership, or Bush. But hey, no one's perfect.

naysayer47:

Many of us do not truly grasp or appreciate the tremendous accomplishments of the current Chinese govt. The leadership has to govern the largest country and 1/5 of the world's population. It's amazing how they are able to keep the country together and still deliver 10%+ growth for the past 30 yrs.

And yes, some draconian measures are needed to deliver these results. If you ask any Chinese if they are willing to give up web access to Wikipedia, Falongong, or Playboy for stability and a higher standard of living, I can assure you over 98% will do so willingly.

Heck, even most Americans are now willing to condone offshore drilling even though it will destroy their beautiful million dollar beach view. It's all about self interest and preservation. Banning offshore drilling was a luxury in good times, but now that gas prices are high, we're willing to give it up to ease our pockets.

Chinese will entertain these "liberties" once they are able to lift the rest of the country out of poverty.

mike:

Dont forget also that many british media, like BBC and Guardian etc must dig up dirt to throw at the Chinese for another very base reason. London's turn is next, and they know that, in terms of hardware, technology, and even the simple task of making sure that toilets work, Beijing has got London beat even before this game has begun. Hence, they ahve to smear the Beijing Games till the last drop so that the common western readers, mostly lazy and complacent in their critical thinking, will only remember the "bad" things about Beijing. In this way, London will shine. As for French media..they are getting back at the Chinese because they were roundly defeated by Beijing (the biggest margin of defeat in IOC vots in history), and also by London. But since they can't pick at a fellow western country, they focused all their mean-spirited ire at the Chinese...you can see this in their media coverage of China, and also in the barbaric ways in which young frenchmen attacked the torch in Paris....

I wonder if someone will demand an Olympic boycott if the British forces are still in Iraq or Afghanistan at that time....Interesting.

Anonymous 007:

Grashnak: "On exactly what basis can they make an informed decision about whether the country's policies are good or not?"

Exactly?

They can eat.

So whenever they remind themselves what "a bitter life" they previously led, be they men or women, tears come to their eyes and they choke.

Those people answer polls with their tears.

Grashnak:

I'm not sure that public polling is meaningful in a country in which all information is strictly controlled by the government and a huge percentage of the rural population is made up of simple peasants.

On exactly what basis can they make an informed decision about whether the country's policies are good or not?

Ignorance is, of course, often bliss.

Citizen of the post-American world:

@ Anonymous - August 5, 2008 8:10: AM

I found your well thought out comment enlightening.

Countless times have I felt uncomfortable, hearing or reading that "WE (who is we?) should not have let the Chinese host the Games"! Same discomfort as when I hear or read us refer to "the international community", while excluding from that expression's designation more than two thirds of the world's population (and countries?).

I agree with you: "thinking that we have “let” the Chinese host the Games assumes that we “own” the Games."

That revolting statement makes it perfectly clear how painful is, in the West, giving birth to this post-Western world.

Does it say "One World One Dream"? ....

With best wishes to all, at the Games.

Chaotician:

Seeing that our foreign policy is dominated by an attitude that everything done by America is good and everybody else is less so...and by the way did you notice I have the biggest guns...and I never take them off the table! I don't know why we have so many "little" Napoleons, Hitler’s, and Mussolini’s; but we sure do have a complex based on some myths of WWII! The overwhelming evidence is our ignorance and stupidity when it comes to knowing, understanding, and working with "others". Our "faith" based assumptions are invariably wrong! We have wasted Trillions of our wealth building better and better means to kill; we have fought and killed in countries around the globe for ideological nonsense; we have some sort of Messiah complex that whatever we believe is somehow relevant, factual, and proper…no matter how silly, stupid, and nonsensical! Take George’s War on Terror; every premise is wrong if not outright lies which is typical of Korea, Viet Nam, Panama, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Afghanistan, …. We are a nation of self righteous egomaniacs; ignorant beyond belief, easily manipulated by political and religious charlatans, into doing ignoble acts like torture, rendition, mass murder, and even genocide and then justifying the unacceptable because of some delusional mythology about our righteousness! Our pathological illegal invasion of Iraq is righteous because look how much better the world is without Shaddam…pure crap!

Raman Vig:

*****
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how to understand the country and how to handle its regime.
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*****

Here are few facts that will be well worth noting:

US and allies need China strategically because:
1. China has veto power in UN
2. China is still needed to balance Russia in Asia

Changing Dynamics inside China:
Strength:
1. China has veto power.
2. China knows how to play the nuclear threat in the region. It is cooperating with Pakistan (supplier of nuclear designs to terrorists states) and Western world who are afraid of nuclear proliferation.
3. China has extremely strong manufacturing base, thanks to our own corporations and big guys supplying them with designs and money.
4. China has growing domestic market that now can consumes its own products (to hell with rest of the world demand).
5. China can hold some parts of Americas and Europe and Asian economies to ransom, thanks to our dependency on its manufacturing base.

Weakness:
1. Growing domestic economy puts pressure on monolithic governing red regime to ease restrictions - not a good thing, because the communist regime feels threatened and may resort to cold and harsh measures - now evident by its changing Visa policy.
2. China still needs lot of fuel to support its domestic market. So it needs foreign oil. Good Mr. Bush and Cheney invaded Iraq (not that I support invasion).
3. China still does not have the capability to manufacture tools for giant infrastructure - like deep sea exploration etc.
4. China is militarily very fragile - It is surprising that most people do not know that rank and file of Chinese military is corrupt and tethers on breaking point any time of the day. How the red regime of China manages to keep it together is a marvel.
5. Extremism has started to gain ground in China, that will be break the surface in a decade or so (given corruption in Chinese military).

US Options:
1. Cater to Chinese demands and strengths
2. Exploit Chinese weakness

What US leadership is executing now:
1. Catering to Chinese strength.
2. President George W. Bush attending Olympics (Not to mention his relative is playing pal with Chinese oppressors).
3. Warren Buffet helped to build Oil production facility in China, thus exacerbating the already acute oil supply situation in US.

Has anyone taken a note of Mr. Buffet's game. He has recently invested in a big way in railroads:
a. because oil demand in US is acute and supply is short
b. Oil is in short supply. Why? Because he has helped China to build its oil producing facility at an accelerated pace.
c. Cashed out of oil investment in China, just before the US blame machine starts pointing fingers at him that he has created the oil supply shortage in US.
d. Now he does not have to worry about creating oil shortage in US, because there are other lesser rich investors who are following in his foot steps to invest in Chinese oil infrastructures, thus keeping the oil supply acute IS US, and helping him to reap benefits from railroads and mass transportation in US.

4. Notice how Mr. Zakaria is licking the Chinese Ass

mike:

I agree with the post just below me completely...

1) The reasons why the likes of Intl Herald Tribune, Guardian, BBC etc etc etc are always so negative and critical about China is rooted in just ONE thing....these supposed "liberal" journalists approach China with the idea that the country, and its people are the "other". They are "yellow commies", no less...how could they be "like us"?

2) Beyond seeing China as the "other" is this obvious but unspoken sense of superiority over a wide spectrum of issues relative to this Chinese "other". Hence, this constant haranging about "Giving China the rights seven years ago...", "China did not live up to its promise...". As if these media pundits are the spokesmen for the superior "conscience" and "moral standard" of the world...and as if the Olympics is theirs to "give" to some less-evolved beings! You notice that only these western media pundits are making noises...you dont see Asian, African or even Latin American or MiddleEast media going hog-wild digging up all sorts of negative reporting about China. This is very plain to see.

The western media really do consider themselves superior and well above the Chinese...this is why they have tha galls to speak down to China and its people. In a wierd way, Chinese censorsip has in the past shielded these western media from being clearly seen by the regular Chinese people...so many in China actually have a remanticized and positive image of them as somehow "superior" too. I do hope that the Chinese people can now see the real and ugly face of these China-bashers during the Olympics. It would be a good reality check for the people fo China. The western media is out for only one thing...the demonization of China for their political and economic ends.

What to expect from the Beijing Olympics: Through the eyes of the westerner


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In just a few days, the Olympic Games will begin in Beijing. International protests have largely subsided and controversies over which world leader will or will not attend the opening ceremony seem to have drawn to a close. Foreign athletes are also gradually settling in at the newly-built Beijing Olympic Village.

The Chinese are working most assiduously to ensure the smooth running of the Games, such as assigning volunteers (numbering a staggering four hundred thousand) to tasks, setting up security measures of the highest level, and preparing the transportation system for the surge in visitors during the Games. In the past weeks Beijing has been implementing strict traffic measures including designating road lanes and a metro line for the exclusive purpose of the Games. To ensure an enjoyable opening ceremony, the organizers are even planning “weather modification” measures should it rain on the evening of August 8.

It is interesting, however, to consider all these activities from a westerner’s point of view.

The person in the West might think: What is our focus when we watch the Chinese do all this work? What are our expectations of the Games? Will we enjoy the hospitality the Chinese are trying very hard to arrange for us?

Maybe some among us are focusing on problems during the Games. If something goes wrong, we can say in the face of the Chinese: look, you mess it up.

In fact, if one were to think about what could go wrong during the Olympics, countless possibilities exist: pollution, human rights protests, breaches of security, terrorist attacks, unprofessional management, bureaucratic inefficiency, and rude fans. The list goes on.

How we see these potential and real problems is but the real question.

We could think: there are problems, but the Chinese have tried their best and we are having a good time at the Games. Some of these problems are likely to happen at any international event anyway.

Another way would be to blame or humiliate the Chinese for messing up the Games. Some of us are probably thinking: we let you host the Games, so you’d better not mess up.

Yet thinking that we have “let” the Chinese host the Games assumes that we “own” the Games. We tend to think that the Chinese have been given the responsibility of making the event a success. Since we have given you the opportunity to do the job, it is now time to show us how well you have done it.

Others may be thinking: OK, you said you could and would make a success of the event, but I knew you couldn’t and I had been waiting to prove I was right.

The fundamental issue here is whether we accept China as our equal. If we see the Chinese as one of us, it is likely that we hope things go well, and we will support them if things do go wrong.

But if we see the Chinese as “them” and as the “other”, we are subconsciously maintaining a sense of superiority. We will therefore tend to use a much more critical standard when assessing the efforts of the Chinese.

In fact, our sense of superiority makes it much easier for us to spot problems with the Games. It makes us much likely to focus on the failures of the Chinese and dismiss their successes. We are likely to fold our hands and wait to see things go wrong.

At the same time, we are also likely to fear that our superiority may disappear when others do well. That sense of insecurity may lead us to subconsciously wish that things will go wrong in China. In one way or another, we want them to be humiliated.

In fact, all the controversies in the run-up to the Beijing Olympics can be partially examined in this way. According to the author of a timely book, Olympic Dreams: China and Sports, 1895-2008, Dr. Guoqi Xu of the Kalamazoo College in the US:

“Through their coverage and handling of the Beijing torch relay, the West seemed to remind the Chinese they were still not equal and they were still not good enough.”

If we can look at ourselves as critically as that, we will likely change the perspectives from which we see the Beijing Olympics.

Have a good time in Beijing.

poet:

真龍天子失王座
四野梟雄狀至尊

Anonymous:

Mr. Fareed Zakaria, among western journalists, you are relatively fair, thanks. The poem below is only for some westerners, especially those of USA who still don't understand. Hope you don't misunderstand its intention.

Anonymous:

羅馬鬥獸場有感
Reflections upon Rome Coliseum

殺人為業征疆土
Their trade was to slaughter humans for the empire's gains
鬥獸為娛誤子孫
Their amusement was to battle with beasts and their generations misled
伊拉克土今侵血
Therefore, today blood still penetrates through the soil of Iraq
好萊塢頌殺人篇
And their Hollywood still loves the glories of killings
民主旗牽鐵騎入
Their flags of democracy guide their iron horses dash in other's homes
自由言論可瞞天
Their Speech of Freedom has taken form of lies in cheating the high heaven
雙塔悲歌猶未醒
Sleeping in their trauma and the lament of twin tower still sings
校園慘案父母憐
and the tragic cases of their school yard tear their poor parents
不省自心求解脫
For they never repent their heart to seek their bondage to loose
卻向全球狀聖賢
Only in their loud cry that they claim our globe they are the wise and the virtuous
喇嘛從政耶穌死
The monks have turned into politicians, only Christ died;
問誰能救苦無邊
To whom people shall ask for help in this limitless suffering land

Robokid:

Trust the Chinese people to bash their own government if it dose'nt do its job.

"Moral Paper Tiger":

A Gangster-turned-Christian apparently is trying to convert another Gangster, here is their dialogue:

Christian: You gangster are doing all bad things no good! You got to convert in order to save your soul.

Gangster: What you are saying about me isn’t true. More truth will come out.

Christian: The whole world believes what I say.

Gangster: That’s because you control the world. However, even if what you are saying about me were true, you still can't preach to me like this.

Christian: Why not?

Gangster: You were worse regarding what you did to that red Indian girl and that black African boy. You were a white colonist and a slave owner.

Christian: That doesn’t count. It was only in the past.

Gangster: But the descendants of that red Indian girl are still going out to protest on your birthday -- every July 4th.

Christain: Precisely! They are free to protest! Freedom! Democracy! Do you have those?! Do you! Do you!

Gangster: You seem very forgetful, shamelessly self-forgiving and self-congraduating. Well, however, you are still doing the same, see what you are doing to that Iraqi girl. You are an invader and a war profiteer.

Christian: That is different. It isn’t about me, it is about you, you!

Gangster: That seems very indifferent of you.

Christian: No! I am full of passion, My heart aches when I think of that poor Tibetan boy! I hate any injustice! It is my duty to do justice to this world!

Gangster: But that Hindi guy took Miss Sikk Kim too…

Christian: You shut up, I don’t know who Miss Kim is, the Tibetan boy aches my heart whenever I think of him! Behides, that Hindi guy is basically a good man but you are such a bad person!

Gangster: What!?... Why?

Christian: Because that Hindi guy is a democracy and you are not. Democracy is good. No democracy no good, period!

Gangster: All democracies must be good?

Christian: Yes.

Gangster: How so?

Christian: Because they are like me.

Gangster: Man… I am almost wordless. So far, I must say that you are unreasonably self-centered and self-righteous.

Christian: Shut up! I know the Truth, God speaks to me! You don’t do what I say, I am going to boycott your f**king Stupid Olympics!

Gangster: ……Wait a minute……Gosh! Be respectful for yourself! The Olympics is yours! It is your tradition, I am hosting it for you to spread your culture. YOUR culture!

Christian: Mine is universal! Serving my universals is your honor! Failing it is your shame!

Gangster: So if a westerner hosting a Chinese New Year Parade, for whatever reason a Chinese guy doesn't like that westerner and pulls the westerner's pants off in public, you think it is the westerner's shame?

Christian: Yes, because he is embarrassed.

Gangster: It is the westerner's embarrassment indeed, but it is the Chinese guy's shame. For sure, that poor westerner is not going to do the Chinese New Year Parade again. Whose loss is it? Making the Olympics Ugly, yes, my embarrassement, yet your shame! Don't you get that?

Christian: It is your shame! your shame! I insist!

Gangster: Only confused, rude, un-intelligent and fundamentally un-cultured people would think and act that way. You seem very arrogant too. I used to worry how I could catch your guys up, but if this is the character and quality of your men, I am no more worried. Your men are no match of my men! You are no match of me!

Christian: Shut up! You are just such a bad person. And you are stubborn!

Gangster: You are a hypocrite!

Christian: I condemn you!

Gangster (angrily): I contempt you!

Christian: The contempt is mutual!

Gangster: Let it be!

(A moment of silence)

Gangster: Maybe I don’t need that stupid Olympics any more. I am going to cancell it. You will see whose loss it is.

Christian: Wait! You can’t do that either.

Gangster: … … How come? Don’t you want to stop it anyway?

Christian: I still need it to make money in you.

Gangster: Money!? I thought your concern was the Tibetan boy…

Christian: Yes, I still love that poor boy, my heart aches whenever I think of that poor boy, but we can talk about him some other time. It is about me this time.

Gangster: But… but…earlier you just said that it is all about me! The bad person…me?

Christian: It is about me now.

Gangster: So confussing… When will it be about me again?

Christian: I will remind you when I need you the bad person again.

Gangster: You are such a Moral Paper Tiger !

(The End)


Anju Chandel:

You are absolutely right, Mr. Zakaria. China is the brighest star on the horizon and there is no need to resort to unnecessary bashing without understanding the country and its people. Besides the statistics which speak for themselves, one has to simply visit China and see the level of overall development and growth that it has achieved. It is just a matter of time when China will become a model for the world in myriad fields.

However, its human-rights issues are indeed a concern, though, I am sure, that gradually the country will adopt a more humanistic approach towards it. And the international community has an important role to play in this transition. Tibet is surely a big issue and I fully support the region's claim for absolute autonomy; China should stop destroying the very fabric of its existence ie. its culture.

Being an Indian, China does come across as a pain at times especially when it tries to transgress into our territory and supports Pakistan in its military capabilities which ultimately get exercised against India! Moreover, because of the 'back-stabbing' that India suffered from in 1962 war with China with annexing of a large chunk of its northernmost territory - Arunachal Pradesh - there are still majority of Indians who do not feel comfortable showing absolute trust in China. But all that is changing now and rapidly as can be seen in China's emergence as India's biggest trading partner, way ahead of the US.

So, the mantra for a peaceful and prosperous world is that we all work together: live and let live!

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Mike:

I just read an article written by the staff of Guardian.UK which basically refer to the IOC and Beijing as both being nervous because "the world will deliver a verdict about whether the decision to award the games to Beijing was the right one"...First, it is such a pompous and obnoxious assumption that China, or the IOC even, actually has to worry about the verdict given out by these western media mouthpieces. Second, it is blatantly clear to me that this brit mouthpiece is simply whinning because Beijing won, and Paris did not seven years ago. I hope China, with its 1.3 billion will conduct a referendum four years from now right after London's games to give a verdict as to how well the english did too...such aggrogant pomposiy, heavily coated with obnoxious moral hautiness...only these british mouthpieces can pull off with a straight face.

Anonymous:


Ben:

The Republican Party is not the ruling party in America anymore. The Democrats are. Bush is the president, yes, but his agenda is not going through because Democrats control the congress.

Posted August 4, 2008 4:01 PM

----------------------------

NONSENSE.

Congress has about as much power as the Roman Senate did in the days of the Ceasars.

The President sets basic fiscal, economic, military and foreign policy and that has been true since WWII.

The President is a Republican and these policies did not change one iota after the Democrats "took over" Congress.

The American people have been reduced to an ignorant, fearful herd. The party of fear rules and will continue to do so.

mnjam:

People whining about the exchange rate should visit China.

China is building a new highway system. Ours is antiquated and crumbling.

China has better telecommunications than we do.

The Chinese are better educated than Americans.

We are using a massive Social Security surplus to finance deficits created by tax cuts for the rich, rather than to upgrade our infrastructure or for education. Even so, we need to borrow from the Chinese to pay for our foolish wars.

The US is not really a great power any more. Our leadership is to interested in lining their own pockets. The wealthiest are unwilling to support the government or fight for the country.

It is like Britain after WWI -- warn out, in debt and in decline. It's just a question of time until the Chinese show us our place -- just as we did to the British.

Mohamed MALLECK:

Jim West,

NO, IT IS NOT THE EXCHANGE RATE, BUSTER!

You wrote, at 9:00 a.m. that "IT IS THE EXCHANGE RATE, STUPID".

Well, no, it is NOT.

Because of a sharp-depreciating US dollar, the rest of the world has lost more than US$300 billion in purchasing power of the forex reserves they hold by investing in US Treasury Bills (see Darden Cavalcade's appreciation, posted at 3:00 p.m. of this benign and accommodative policy stance of Chinese policy-makers, among others). Paulson has discussed this issue many, many times with Chinese officials, and although there is some difference of opinion, economists agree that a discretionary appreciation of the Yuan (or Renminbi, the Chinese currency), even if on the hefty side, will only partly address the trade account imbalance between the US and China. Also, you must be remember that international trade is not overwhelmingly bilateral between China and the US or even between China and NAFTA (to accommodate your example of Mexico and throw in Canada as a free factor in favour of your argument).

If the US was to push too far in protectionism because it wrongly feels that China is 'rigging the exchange rate variable' to use your term, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO -- grouping China, Russia and the Central Asian, resource-rich countries, of which Iran is an observer keen to join and India is looking at with a keen interest) could accelerate its economic community agenda and even actualise its Asian Nato agenda.

Then, EVERYONE will be a heavy loser!

Lohengrin:

Apparently Vincent Lamolinara (below) has no understanding of the basic laws of statistics himself. The margin of error is independent of the size of the population and only depends on the sampling size.

For a sample size of N, the margin of error is (1/sqrt(N)). For a sample size of N=3200, the margin of error is 1.76776695%.

Of course, this supposes that the samples are randomly chosen.

Anonymous:

B R E A K i N G, N E W S:

OBAMA is thinking of endorsing Jesse Jackson or Oprah Winfrey for Vice President. And Al Sharpton is an alternate bteween them!

Mohamed MALLECK, Toronto, Canada:

It is simple to understand the ever-persisting disconnect between, on the one hand, the assessment of the performance of their Government by the Chinese (and Indian) People themselves as well as by the peoples of the developing world, and the Western world's assessment of that same performance. The West (except for its scientists and other intellectuals) is individualistic, self-centered, and predatory; China, India, the Muslim World, and the rest of the developing is 'communitarian' in its development approach -- that is, a system of values that factors-in extended families, sharing in welfare as well as in pain, a strong emphasis on mutual respect and respect for the dignity of others that is measured otherwise than by conspicuous consumption.

So, when China and India and Brazil and South Africa (the BRICS that William Lewis identified in his book "The Power of Productivity') increase their wealth, the relative setback for the West (only relative, because overall wealth and income continue to rise, although with the savage tax cuts of neoconomics that favour the super-wealthy, the midle and lower icome groups ARE hurting) is decried and the BRICS are accused of the oppression of their peoples to artificially keep wages low and thereby gain a trading advantage on the West.

In the prologue to his book, William Lewis emphasises two conditions for the continued stability of the global trading and political system : a level playing field, and absence of predation. For too long, the West has fudged both parameters and, partly due to that attitude, has dominated the world economy, although one has to also acknowledge that the West's competitive edge in technological innovation also explains much of its past economic supremacy. Now, the playing field is becoming more level, and technological innovation is also being democratised.

A brave new world awaits, if we discard the mentality of predation, both domestically by reining-in our super-rich and our over-greedy corporations, in both the West and the rest of the world. More 'communitarianism' would advance human welfare significantly.

George Lawal:

The Republican Party is not the ruling party in America anymore. The Republicans may not be the ruling party in Congress right now but with a slim thin margin in Congress, it is impossible for the Democrats to pass any piece of legislation because of been blocked by either the threat of a Presidential veto or by the Republican themselves. 2-way street, I guess.

Ben:

The Republican Party is not the ruling party in America anymore. The Democrats are. Bush is the president, yes, but his agenda is not going through because Democrats control the congress.

Observerof26years:

As a long-time observer of American attitude toward China, it is satisfying to note that open-minded thinking people like Fareed Zakaria seem to be in a upswing, even though still of a minority today.

Countries, like people, are complex and evolving. Notions of Black and white are convenient, and most fitting for closed and lazy minds, but of little relevance to what's happening in a real world. Today, China just marches on, much to the dismay of these who of course will continue their bashing regardless.

Darden Cavalcade:

Dr. He:

There is no question that the government of China has done what no other government on earth has done. They have lifted an enormous number of people from poverty. And I believe all Chinese can take great pride in what they have collectively accomplished. It is a magnificent accomplishment.

Personally, I don't believe that US-China relations will deteriorate to the point where we are enemies. To believe the opposite, one must overlook a great deal: the enormous mutual benefit in US-China economic relations, the hundreds of thousands of American and Chinese citizens who visit each other's country in complete peace, the willingness of Chinese to invest in US treasury instruments and subsidize social and military programs Americans do not want to pay for with higher taxes.

Americans have many traditional friends and allies who do much less than China does to show peaceful, benign intent.

david:

It would seem that we still have some ignorant people here who just woke up from the 1980's. Let's not kid ourselves here; while I am sure there are do-gooders around who truly care about Tibet or something else to bash China with, the vast majority of Americans just dont care, because they dont know and dont care to know where Tibet is. This apathy leaves the US politicians and corportations with the free hand to run the country, and so they do things in the name of the country for their own self-serving ends. This is where the hypocracy comes from, because, in the end, the American people are too lazy and complacent to actually learn about the rest of the world.

As for China, did you know that it is required for kids there to learn English as a second language? They have the largest intenet population, and it will only get bigger. Many Chinese workers get paid very little but they are hard working, and this provides the rest of the world with cheap but good products, which in turn keeps global inflation down. By the way, while we might cry about the Chinese trade surplus with us, dont ever forget that they also buy our debt, and essentially finance our own deficit spending (which keeps us running as a country even as we invade other nations like Iraq, and live like pigs with huge SUVs)...So, instead of blaming China for American economic woes, why not examine the extravagant lifestyle that has ruined this country? Stop blaming others for our own failing! It's time to stop bashing China, and go on a diet, America!

Michael:

Speaking of hypocrisy...
There's no doubt that China is an autocratic country and doesn't respect basic human rights, but does the U.S. have the moral high ground to condemn the Chinese government for its oppressive policies? You talk about democracy and freedom. What about the U.S. occupation of Iraq? What about Abu Ghraid and Guantanamo and the CIA secret prisons? We can go further in American history and talk about this country's treatment of blacks and Indians. Do any of you know of any country on this planet that practices what it preaches? As someone once said: You've come face to face with the evil empire, and it is us.

mnjam:

The Communist Party in China is competent. The ruling party in America, the Republicans, are not. It's that simple. The results are becoming more apparent every day and will be mind-boggling in another 10-20 years.

Rajeev:

Ibrahim; you are right. I think the Commies will wait till the Olympics are over to respond to the Islamists.

Also in Phillipines today, the Supreme Court blocked the Government's move to grant separate status to Muslim provinces who had engaged in brutal violence against Christians and police. SC says the separation would ignore the plight of minority Christians living in those provinces.

Mr. Zakaria had also asked India to get out of Kashmir because "we" do not belong there. He is quiet on what Muslims had done to minority Hindus in Kashmir by killing and driving out most of them. In other words, Mr. Zakaria is championing the cause of another intolerant and exclusive Islamic state.

Tom Loo:

How soon some forget. The sole, demonstrable, historically proven and ideologically central purpose of any communist regime is to preserve its power and status. This core Marx-Lenin tenant justifies for them any number of mass atrocities, big lies and barbaric repressions, as well as pragmatic adjustments. But some of us do believe in universal human rights, as Pope John Paul II has said, that government fundamentally exist for benefit of the people, not the other way around.

China needs to continue to grow at a fast rate for many reasons probably at least for the next generation or two by common consensus. China has to be patient, practical and pragmatic. Yes we need to accommodate their role. But recognize that the world is inter-related, so its always a 2-way street. Without the open markets of the west, who is going to buy their goods? Maybe they need us more than we need them.

Careful accommodation and integration is the only way to go. (Hey isnt that what we're already doing?)

Michael:

Thank you for this insightful article. People like MZBOND and the folks of the New Republic are stuck in their ideological straightjackets to see the reality. They go through life wondering why the world is the way it is.

Pe:

I do not blame China; they just want to get ahead. I do blame corporate America for destroying the upward mobility of millions of Americans. They are the villains. It is not a fair exchange to be able to buy cheaper t-shirts in exchange for declining real wages, deteriorating work conditions and extreme job insecurity. When this upcoming election is over business leaders had better start running. Perhaps they can find sanctuary in China or India. God knows they have done them enough favors.

John:

The West generally, and the US in particular, has refined hypocrisy into a fine art form. Governments everywhere do the same things using, essentially, the same tools as a result of their nature. Everything that the Chinese government does explicitly, the US does implicitly through multiple layers of nuance. Under very careful and well informed observation, one will find that, at the end of the day, despite everything they profess, all governments will do everything they can to attain their ends. I am sure that Sen. Brownback is completely unaware of the irony of his criticism in light of his vote for the FISA bill, but there is a long tradition of that dating back to George Washington who fought the British to establish a free Republic while himself holding other people in bondage.

Dr. he:

Darden Cavalcade:

You are right about all the facts. But still, china is big, all those plus the poll can be right at the very same time. There are simply too many who feel deprived, but a lot more feels pretty good.

Another point you might not be able to see is that people there used to live in awful conditions. Taking the migrant work case: the living conditions there are in is unbeleivable to people in this free world, but still much better thn if they live in their home town? confudsed more?

There is little doubt that the Western media's aim in Beijing is fault-finding first,including the weather, and reporting on the Olympics second. In so doing, they have exposed themselves what the Asians are famiiar with in the psat, that the West is still exploiting the weaker races and weaker countries by every means and every opportunity.
It will only create more antagonism between the West and China. Perhaps that is how the West want to contain China for now ? Or, to remind them who is still the boss ?

LOL:

Keep barking, the China haters. If you make enough noise, they may throw you a bone.

eaglestrk:

Folks, it is obvious that the current fad is to pimp China 24/7, even Fareed Zakaria does it, even those who like to proclaim their unconditional support for freedom and democracy end up supporting a rutless communist regime which cleverly masked itself with free markets and what is called "authoritarian capitalism" .

I personally refuse to do so and join the chorus of (newly enlightened) China lovers, is it because of the olimpics, is it because communist China means busine$$$$$?, I wouldn't be surprised. In the meantime, the broken Cuban regime, for example, can't get any slack cut by the orgasmic Western which is now starry-eyed with all things chinese.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

mzbond:

If we continue to allow the USA corporations to build China's economy, i.e. "made in China" on way too much merchandise in this country, most of it lead based and dangerous, is really - The greatest failure of Western foreign policy since the Cold War ended! Get yourself fired from the Washington Post Zakaria and go live and work in China.

R Rao:

China is a nation, but when we think of China today (or USA, or India or whatever) it is a concept. People are real. So it makes no sense to condone authoritarian brutality by the state against its people for the evolution of China. It can evolve now in a hurry if its ignorant rulers would gain an understanding they so lack.

Ibrahim Mahfouz:

Rajeev Said:
“The biggest threat to humanity was and still is Communism and Islam.
Wherever they are (in control), human rights are suppressed and minorities/dissenters are killed and driven out.”

What happens when Muslims find themselves in close quarters with Communists or any other non-Muslims. The following headline in today’s news.
“Explosives attack at Chinese border post kills 16 policemen”
The perpetrators were Muslim separatist; they want to cede from China and coalesce with Pakistan, so they can persecute the minorities there. It is a fundamental tenant of their religion not to be ruled or even supervised by an infidel. Infidel in their dictionary covers all non-Muslims.

Adrian:

I like Sam Brownback, who is truly a typical American politician. Think about the Declaration of Independece, which delivered the most inspirational words like "all men were born equal". The key here is the politians who wrote those words were slave owners. Think about it, while claiming "all men were born equal", those American politicans owned and would cotinute to own slaves for decades. While bashing the Chinese government on issues like Tibet, Dafur, Mugabe, the American politicians virtually wiped out native Americans, supplied weapons and funding to the dictator Saddam.

Mr. Zakaria's article is excellent. Amerian needs more people who CAN understand who Mr. Zakaria is talking about so that the country herself can excel further.

Anna:

Thank you for your intelligent analysis that gets to the crux of the issue - no country (including our own) is or ever will be perfect, but certain realities need to be recognized - as do certain accomplishments, and for all their faults, China and India have lifted billions out of poverty.

As for criticism on Tibet and other human rights issues, though real, no one (other than arm chair foreign policy analysts who have probably never even visited the country) can deny that the majority of Chinese are better off and indeed happier than they were 100 years. This may be a bitter pill for China bashers to swallow but it is a simple truth. And let us not forget that our own past is quite checkered when it comes to human rights (from colonialism to slavery to today's Guantanamo and FISA).

So it is high time to acknowledge certain realities and what's needed is more thoughtful, honest analysis such as yours. It is also time to move past shallow criticism that is oftentimes based on narrow-mindedness, bitterness and yes, a certain bit of xenophobia.

Espi:

The callousness of the Chinese to worker safety in their pursuit of breakneck speed economic growth is illustrated by the appalling death rates in their coal mines. The number of accidents caused by flooding, methane gas and coal dust explosions, roof collapses are the highest in the world. Can this happen in any democratic country without triggering public outrage and heads of the mining companies rolling?

Communist nations like other dictatorships in history can always maximize a small select set of goals at the expense of all else. The Soviet Union could build a huge nuclear arsenal and intercontinental missiles while its people suffered in silence. The Nazis built a mighty war machine, V2 rockets and much else while perpetuating major atrocities against Jews. Likewise the Chinese are obliterating the non Han peoples and cultures through violence and forcible immigration. Even Pakistan produced a nuclear weapon after Bhutto vowed that his people would "eat grass" if necessary, but develop an atom bomb. This notwithstanding the abysmal poverty of its people and the terrible social tensions tearing the country apart.

Democracy is the worst form of Government until one sees its alternatives, said Winston Churchill. This form of Government relies on the consent of the people who determine what pace of development is feasible given their tolerance level for pain in the pursuit of progress. India is learning this lesson the hard way as given the extreme diversity of the nation, progress is possible only through consensus building and decentralization that celebrates diversity by providing adequate space for sub cultures to flourish.

Michael Lou:

Thank you, Mr Zakaria, for this balanced and fair article. Too many journalists, and too many ignorant readers get carried away with looking for the "new enemy" in China. But China is no one's enemy. On the issue of Taiwan and Tibet, those are questions of sovereignty above all else. On the issue of economy and the environment, those are questions of development. All can be discussed, improved and solutions can be found. What I find hilarious is the shrill cries of those who support a "free" Tibet, or those who still cling to the idea of a "communist" China as a Cold War boogey man. It's time to face reality, and join the 21st century...China will guard its sovereignty, and all those who hoe for it to spli into little pieces will be disappointed.

I hope China's Olympics will be the best in history, and I am confident that the Chinese people will march forward and build a great future for their themselves, despite all the mean-spirited ill-wishers.

Albert:

After reading Fareed Zakaria’s and readers’ posts, I feel there are two sides to this: the informed and the misinformed or under-informed. I just returned from eight weeks in remote Southwestern (Yunnan) and Northwestern China (Xinjiang). The country is not, or no longer, what we think we know. It’s constantly morphing and changing for the better for the most part.

Yes, an authoritarian government system rules China. It is a socialist/communist/benevolent/autocratic/market-driven system that has yet to have a name. The country and its government are going through major growing pains at the moment when they are still figuring out how to deal with the many social and political situations that arise with changes.

When I was there in May through July, I heard criticism, as well as eulogistic comments of the system and the government. People offer me their straightforward and blatant opinion without any probing on my part. They range from complaints of high housing cost, top echelon corruption, inflation, poor environmental quality; to the fear of encroachment of mainstream culture on regional cultures; to the joys of higher incomes and the pride of hosting the Olympic Games. The list is long. There is no fear of reprisal as long as these criticism and complaints do not incite mass commotion or create social instability.

Whatever this system has morphed into, it has been doing miracles to improve its citizens’ livelihood in the last 30 years. Which country on earth can boast a 10 to 12% annual growth? Which nation with a huge burden of 1.3 billion can nurse itself from abject poverty back to middle class status? All pretty much in less than one and a half generations.

Critics should get off China’s case. It’s been doing most things miraculously so far. Perhaps we should even offer a few words of encouragement for it to change for the better, while we can learn a few pointers from them. A better China is a better world.

"(C)losed political system but an open economy." Fareed's getting busy with euphemisms again!

What this stooge is celebrating could otherwise be defined as Market Stalinism, which just might be the worst thing the world has seen. (For citizens, that is, the ruling class has been eager for it.) All the repression of Maoist style Communism with the avarice and inequalities of unchecked market capitalism. The two worst aspects from rival philosophies. It does make for an effective slave state, which is what the Zakarias of the world really like.

Watch out for discussions of China "normalizing." It is simply a matter of our elite business and media and political class warming up to their inhuman ideas.

sara lee:

I think it is about time China should give a real reason for the world to complain about.
You cant reason with these barsterds (they are deliberately put you down), you have to destroy them!

George Samuels:

When used as a proper noun "senator" should be "Senator." Someone should proof-read the proof-reader's work.

Ferdoc Monzini:

Well sir there are a few issues that need to be brought to light in your artical admonishing the United States and the Western Governments for their supposed sin of exclussion.

Statistics is one of them. 16 dialects used where it is likely over 200 exist. 3,212 Chinese nationals spoken to in a country of ~1.321 billion, since you seem to want to get so very technical. That gives them a beautiful sample size of roughly 2.43149*10^-6, or for those who don't mind rounded numbers, very very small.

If you want to talk about inclusion you're quite right, China wants to include everyone, even those that don't want to be apart of it. Tibet was brutally taken into China and forced to be made apart of China, even with demonstrations that have happened recently China still wants to have an inclusive regiem.

This is more directed to Mariano Patalingjug. We should leave China alone? Sorry can't do that. Since China wants to be on the worlds stage, they will have to deal with the world paporazi. The resemblence of Mao Influenced China and the 'Modern' China is still very obvious. The single party state is still in rule last time I checked. Tibet is still held against its people's will. China's growth rate is assonision, but at what price for the people?Itentionally depressed wages, disposable workers, lax labor law enforcement, lax environmental laws, lax accountability, rampant bribery, rampant corruption are all things that happen, as well as the increase of the economic gap between the rich and the poor.

Another explination of the impressive growth is their aggressive control of their currency. They don't float it and let the market decided how much it should be worth, like the United States and the West, by controling the value of money they are able to enhance or deflate their economic growth. And if you take a careful look at the economics of the situation, companies are starting to leave China in favor of other South East Asian countries, due to rising prices, increased demand for bribes, and backlash from the international community of substandard products.

Perhaps you should go back and flip through your notes from your history classes. Modern China and Mao Influenced China are still strikingly simmilar, policially, socially and culterually. Economically they follow a limited free market economy. If you want an example of a free market, look at the internet. The internet is the lightest regulated commercial sector I have ever seen. In the United States you are able to sell anything to anyone at whatever price you wish, allowing demand to determine the product's survival. In China, you can't do that. Everything is tightly regulated by the state. While blocked sites are normally blogs, forums, or other forms of internet communications to spread the outlawed idea of Democracy, it can be used to prevent persons who the state doesn't like from being able to generate an income in that free market you boasted about.

Espi:

It is simplistic for Zakaria to proclaim that the Chinese are largely happy with their lot. It is true as long as a Government keeps delivering rising standards of living for the majority, people are ready to keep their politics in abeyance. However, in a democracy economic decisions that favor the so called majority are arbitrated by freely elected representatives of the people and it is impossible to ride roughshod over the poor and weak the way the Chinese do.

Examples are forcible acquisition of farm land for a pittance, eviction of people from their homes to make way for grandiose projects, large scale resettlement of ethnic Han Chinese in Tibet and Sinkiang to reduce the indigenous Tibetans and Uighurs to a minority are impossible in any democracy. In other words the Chinese communists are able to decide unilaterally what is good for the majority and implement the same with utmost ruthlessness and coercion.

In India we bemoan the difficulty faced by the Government in implementing any major scheme as it is caught up innumerable delays, litigation and agitation by local people (often instigated by political rivals). Yet the greatest champions of our democracy are the poor, who have always voted enthusiastically in far larger numbers than the middle and richer classes who frankly would prefer a semi dictatorial set up that could speed up economic reforms! The poor have realized the power of their vote to throw out Governments and enhance their interests even if meant advancement of regressive sectarian causes!

That is why it is said in India the country is stable but Governments are weak while in China the Government is stable but the nation could be fragile. The Chinese Government's strategy to strengthen the country is to build up nationalism and promote its ancient culture including Confucianism (whose stress on obedience to authority, filial piety and personal discipline dovetails nicely with the authoritarianism of the Communists). But nationalism is a very inflammable commodity and can be dangerously misused the way the Nazis did.

China and India are on the way to earn their places at the high table among important nations of the world. But they will not be able to gate crash into this select group nor will it do to force the rich nations to "accommodate" India and China merely because they are too big and "potentially" great nations to be ignored the way Zakaria implies.

Rajeev:

Yes, it is still same old, same old, Mr. Zakaria. The biggest threat to humanity was and still is Communism and Islam.

Whereever they are human rights are suppressed and minorities/dissenters are killed and driven out.

Citizen of the post-American world:

Thank you, for this exceptional article, Mr. Zakaria. You may appreciate knowing that I was referred to it earlier, this morning, by a foreign, Western journalist who has already reviewed it most favourably for his radio listeners.

As David Gosset*** has pointed out, recently, "China-bashing is a blind man's game". In my opinion, the same can be said about our bashing any of the emerging countries.

Gosset: "... recently, China and the overseas Chinese had to respond to various forms of attack. Those, mainly in the West, whose aim was to damage China's reputation and to disrupt the preparation of the Beijing Olympics are now largely discredited and relatively marginalized. They wanted to weaken China, they gave her an occasion to show her solidity, her resolve and sense of responsibility.

Unfortunately, they have created a situation where too much mistrust, resentment and confusion remain. This takes the energies away from what should be Washington, Brussels and Beijing's strategic goal: a cooperative and constructive Sino-Western relationship, keystone of the 21st century global order. Clarity, measure and purpose can help dissipate the clouds...

But the Western "China-bashing" is also highly counterproductive. Anti-Chinese rhetoric or behaviors can only generate anti-Western attitudes within China... Western officials have also to realize that by their harsh, accusatory and unfair criticisms, they reinforce China's most conservative forces. ... Moreover, and over the longer term, inaccurate reports or insulting remarks by Western commentators undermine the West's intellectual and moral credibility. It is the emulation between rich and nuanced analyses, and not new forms of opposition between dogmatic statements, which can enrich the debate. ... Some in Washington and Brussels have not yet fully realized that China is a mature and sophisticated sovereign entity able to discern and defend its best interests...

For the global village, China's renewal is a source of economic growth, a factor of stability and an invitation to explore new ideas... Media have, among other things, the responsibility to introduce China's transformation to the Western world. Journalists have to be open to the Chinese world's significant developments. Often they fail to do that."

The crux of the matter, it seems to me, is to be found in your "Post-American World", where you wrote: "... if America is losing the ability to dictate to this new world, it has not lost the ability to lead."

The current challenge is indeed that we accept the following paradigm shift: in the post-American, post-Western world, to lead will mean not to dictate, but to exert genuine influence upon others through reasonable arguments and irresistible, human, socio-political example, on the international scene. In the nascent post-American, post-Western world, confrontation, permanent conflict and perpetual war are out. International cooperation and peaceful coexistence are in.

Despite prevailing cynicism, did we not witness repeatedly, in our own lifetime, how wise Meng-tse (Mencius) was, writing: "Virtue, in a good government, spreads as light; it moves faster than we walk, faster than horsemen can deliver royal edicts... unity gives stability to an empire... He who enjoys not killing human beings can unify it... People will flock as refugees under his wing. With him, they will rise and rush forth like torrents in a valley. When they do, how will anyone resist?"

We might learn something significant about the new world order, were we to listen more to how China has said, repeatedly, it wishes NOT to lead.

Looking forward to what will come after China-bashing hopefully subsides, in Western media, and first here, in the Washington Post.

*** Asia Times, May 7, 2008. David Gosset director of the Academia Sinica Europaea at China Europe International Business School, Shanghai.

http://atimes.com/atimes/China/JE07Ad02.html

Baci:

A citation from an essay about Satire in the 1950-s in America by Gor Vidal goes as follows:
"I have often chided my Soviet friends on the naiveté of their country's censorship. Newly literate and still awed by the printed word, the Russian governors are terrified of ideas. If only they knew what our governors know: that in a huge egalitarian society no idea which runs counter to the prevailing superstitions can successfully penetrate the national carapace. We give our solemn critics every freedom, including the one to fail to be heard. And fail they do: silence and indifference neutralize the irritant more effectively than brainwashing". This paragraph tells it all!

NParry:

Fareed Zakaria's comments and conclusions are righ ton the ball. When will the West(meaning the US) will give up its obsession to convert other countries to only one way of thinking and being? Isn't that another way of Communism - enforcing confirmity to one ideology? Civilizations and societies evolve at their own time and speed, given their particular histories, cultures and socio-economic issues. Why force everyone to follow this seemingly failing US model of capitalism?

taichilo:

The Red China now is adopting the model of Singapore system. One party rule, stability first and controlled economic system. The difference is that Singapore has the English-based law ysytem, the Chinese still use Mao's law system! Rising Red China is not that strong as some Basking China media projected!

MickVet:

FAREED IN WILLEM MODE!
Mr. Zakaria goes charging into the Pan-Asian economic jungle in his Willem Dafoe combat apologia mode, assuring us incongnoscenti Westerners that a recent flukey poll in a Communist dictatorship, known recently for its Great Firewall of China, assuring us that we should embrace the smog-ridden hordes and the million-man-and-woman standing army as fair monetary traders and rising neighbors in democracy. Boy, wouldn't us USA dupes like to have those manufacturing and IT jobs back, and erase our insane indebtedness to China for the Iraq lie!
--A Concerned American

Darden Cavalcade:

In professional journals dealing with Asian affairs, one reads about tens of thousands of illegal, often violent, anti-government demonstrations involving hundreds-to-thousands of Chinese.

On the same morning that FZ's PostGlobal article above was cited in the Washington Post, there was a news report about an attack by two Uighurs against a Chinese paramilitary post that left thirty-two officers dead and wounded. The week before last the Post reported a riot against the government in a major Chinese city due to popular dissatisfaction with a murder investigation.

Elizabeth Economy, writing in Foreign Affairs Magazine earlier this year, claims that Chinese popular discontent in the rural areas is responsible for tens of thousands of illegal, often violent demonstrations...most of it concerning the deteriorating natural environment brought about by Chinese industrialization. 700 million people live in rural China.

300 million people are migrant workers in China. They get home once every few years. They aren't quite homeless, but they are close. They are the men and women who work China's dangerous, dirty jobs. They make very little. They endure tremendous sacrifice for the sake of their families.

It is hard to imagine, if the reports in professional journals are correct, how the entire population of China could be so satisfied with the direction of the country. Pew is a great research organization, but maybe their interviews in 16 dialects weren't as random or as unsupervised by authority as they hoped.

Jim West:


IT IS THE EXCHANGE RATE STUPID...

Since opening trade with China, we have enjoyed many cheap Chinese products and we have witnessed many American factories closing. Chinese products are cheap because the Chinese currency is fixed (set) by the Chinese Communist Committee in Beijing.
In all discussions about China, few discuss the Chinese exchange rate. It is the exchange rate that makes Chinese good cheap.
Our U.S. dollar goes up and down based on market forces. The Chinese currency remains cheap because it is fixed (set) by a small non-elected Chinese Communist Committee.
I have no problem with free trade, but trade with a country where the exchange rate is rigged is not free, it is corrupt.
A close Chinese friend explained that ordinary Chinese people can not afford goods made outside of China because of the low value of their Chinese currensy.
Yet we were told opening up China for trade would open up new markets for U.S. goods.
My Chinese friend and I agreed the only people benefiting with our current relationship are a few Chinese exporters, a few U.S. importers, and some government officials in both China and the U.S..
This is NOT free trade, this is a broken trade system benefiting only a few people at the expense of many.
Not even Mexico can compete against cheap Chinese goods. Unemployment in Mexico results in more Mexicans seeking jobs in the U.S..
Our current exchange rate policy with China is very broken. That is the only reason that Chinese goods are so cheap. It is impossible to compete against cheap Chinese goods when the exchange rate is rigged to only allow one-way trade.

fcsanders:

Another attempt to picture communism as another form of government that is just as free as ours and just as right.No one that lives in fear is free and they will not express their opinions as such.They will tell you what they believe will keep them out from under the eyes of their repressive government.

Communism is not another form of freedom ; it's a philosophy of repression and complete control of all imformation coming into the country thus keeping the population from knowing about the freedoms of other countries in the world.It's about complete control of the minds of their people and all power is in the hands of a few party leaders that are free to do whatever they will without fear from their own people.

Have we learned nothing from history?You do not "empower" a form of government that wishes to overtake the rest of the world and destroy all freedoms.This is the true picture of communism,not the one of fantasy as painted in this "crap" article.

Fareed Zacharia has several good points.In 1963 1964 my fellow grad at McMaster University, Canada was a main land chinese.He stated so rightly of course, Chinese will follow one man, an Emperor, Empress,
Mao ze Dong, or any one else. To deem all this as idelogy is just stretching things too far. DenG zho Ping has shown china to be authoritarianinternally and all of freedom outside except in the case of Mugabe and Sudan.The U.S. as my former professor at Mac Dr.Gunhard Oravas , an Estonian, used to say , was a country which was naive in understanding the world realities. So be it.

Kent Gregory:

Regarding "We have not pursued a foreign policy toward the world's newly rising powers that aims to create new and enduring relations with them, integrate them into existing structures of power and lay out new rules of the road to secure peace and prosperity."

You must be referring to G-8, WTO and other non-democratic organizations because China is one of only five countries that have veto power in the UN. The WTO and such represent the interests of corperations, not citizens of any country. Sam Brownback and most other members of congress seem to be encouraging our slide to authoritarianism with the support of these organizations, FISA, larger government and higher taxes (taxes will be going up due to the national debt and spending).

The US and China are becoming more alike. It's fine they're becoming more like us, unfortunately, we are also becoming more like them.

Vincent Lamolinara:

This is humorous- you use a face to face public opinion poll of 3200+ people in a nation of 1.3 billion (ever heard of the term statistically insignificant?) in a nation where there is NO public criticism allowed - all to prove your point that the U.S. has committed a sin in not working more closely with a totalitarian government. By the way, over the last 5 years Chinese (slave)laborer wages have grown 7.5% per year- they are now up to a tremendous average of less than $2000 per poor bastard.

THE REV DR KAMAL KARNA ROY GOP & DEPUTIES WORLDWIDE:

LEADERSHIP ISSUES USA TO CHINA ALL NEED MANY CHANGES IN TRADITIONAL LEADERSHIP ASPECTS, MANY IDEOLOGIES ARE BARELY OBSOLETE. SEE BELOW:
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Mariano Patalinjug:

Yonkers, New York
04 Augtust 2008

The world should leave China alone.

The Chinese politico-economic-social system is one that has taken a few decades to evolve, starting from the stark and brutal dictatorship of Mao Zedong which culminated in the disastrous Cultural Revolution, to the present.

There is no resemblance between the China of Mao Zedong and the China of the present.

In the economic sphere, China pretty much has adopted many of Adam Smith's prescriptions--which is why China has achieved unprecedented and historic progress in its GNP average of 10% or more year after successful year for the last several decades.

It is true that in the political sphere, China can be characterized as autocratic. But given China's vast territory and it population of 1.3 billion, probably it is the most practical and pragmatic system now for China. But China continues to evolve even here--and it should be given all the time it needs to do so.

Mariano Patalinjug
MarPatalinjug@aol.com

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