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Candidates Can't Have Trade Both Ways

Despite their spirited squabbling, the two Democratic candidates are united in the view that one of the big benefits of electing either of them would be an improvement in America's reputation and relations with the world. Hillary Clinton promises to send special envoys to foreign capitals the day after she's elected. Barack Obama offers to reach out to America's foes as well as friends. Unfortunately none of this will matter if they continue to spout dangerous and ill-informed rhetoric about trade.

For the rest of the world—particularly poorer countries—nice speeches about multilateralism are well and good. But what they really want is for the United States to continue its historic role in opening up the world economy. For a struggling farmer in Kenya, access to world markets is far more important than foreign aid or U.N. programs. If the candidates think they will charm the world while adopting protectionist policies, they are in for a surprise.

Already the mood is shifting abroad. Listening to the Democrats on trade "is enough to send jitters down the spine of most in India," says the Times Now TV channel in New Delhi. The Canadian press has shared in the global swoon for Obama, but is now beginning to ask questions. "What he is actually saying—and how it might affect Canada—may come as a surprise to otherwise devout Barack boosters," writes Greg Weston in the Edmonton Sun. The African press has been reporting on George W. Bush's visit there with affection and, in some cases, by contrasting his views on trade with the Democratic candidates'. The Bangkok Post has compared the Democrats unfavorably with John McCain and his vision of an East Asia bound together, and to the United States, by expanding trade ties.

For Obama, the backlash could be greatest because he's raised the highest hopes. A senior Latin American diplomat, who asked to remain unnamed because of the sensitivity of the topic, says, "Look, we're all watching Obama with bated breath and hoping [his election] will be a transforming moment for the world. But now that we're listening to him on trade—the issue that affects us so deeply—we realize that maybe he doesn't wish us well. In fact, we might find ourselves nostalgic for Bush, who is brave and courageous on trade and immigration."

The facts about trade have been too well rehearsed to go into them in any great detail, but let me point out that NAFTA has been pivotal in transforming Mexico into a stable democracy with a growing economy. And, in Lawrence Summers's words, "[it] didn't cost the United States a penny. It contributed to the strength of our economy because of more exports and because imports helped to reduce inflation." Trade between the NAFTA countries has boomed since 1993, growing by about $700 billion. There are no serious economists or experts who believe that low wages in Mexico or China or India is the fundamental reason that American factories close down. And labor and environmental standards would do very little to change the reality of huge wage differentials between poor and rich countries' workers.

An argument one often hears from the candidates' supporters is that they don't really mean what they say, that their actual proposals on trade agreements involve only minor tinkering. It is an odd defense of candidates promising change, honesty and a new approach to politics to say that they are being cynical and hypocritical. Besides, both candidates are proposing to renegotiate NAFTA, which is a terrible idea. (And one that has prompted the Canadian prime minister to retort that if that happens, his country, too, would like to get more concessions from the United States.) Hillary Clinton has proposed that free-trade deals be re-evaluated every five years, which is absurd. The benefits of trade deals rest on the fact that they are permanent.

But both candidates surely know that no one is really paying attention to their policy papers on the topic. It is their general attitude and rhetoric that matter. And on this crucial topic they are pandering to the worst instincts of Americans, encouraging a form of xenophobia and chauvinism and validating the utterly self-defeating idea of protectionism.

I know, I know. This is all about the Democratic primaries in states like Ohio and the support of unions. But you can't target these messages so easily anymore. What is said in Ohio is heard in Ghana and Bangladesh and Colombia as well. And isn't the point of leadership to educate and elevate people, not to pander and drag them into the swamp of ignorance and fear? There is a way to speak about the pain of globalization—and about the need for investments in retraining, education, health care and infrastructure—so that we can both compete but also absorb the shocks of a changing global economy. Unfortunately that is not what the Democratic candidates are talking about.

I'm not even sure that protectionist rhetoric works that well in a general election. Americans like optimists. They want leaders who look out at the world and see broad, sunlit uplands. Railing against Mexicans, Chinese and Indians for stealing American jobs smacks of anger, paranoia and fear of the future. Americans want hope, as Obama says, "hope in the face of difficulty, hope in the face of uncertainty, the audacity of hope." Where is that courage now?

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the rev jane hogan and asst the rev premansu d roy, democratic agents for redevelopments of equities:

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wherein abuses exceeded mugbe's zimbabwe presidential election 2008. Uno did not act due to negligence in duties or people in democracy; in the case of u s american democracy uno may be afraid to usa for economic solvency of its own due economic dependance on USA. But we the people report that leaders of poorer communities were virtually driven out of presidential race by the humn_gods in politics in usa, viz KAMAL KARNA ROY AS A POOR ORDAINED MOBILE CLERGY ON VOW OF POVERTY WERE NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN NEWS MEDIA EVEN FOR SAKE OF COURTESY FOR PEOPLE OF USA: HILLARY R CLINTON WAS TOSSED OUT OF RACE JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN TO LEAD USA: A 1/2 BLACK AND OTHER 1/2 WHITE INDIVIDUAL WAS TURNED PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE ALTHOUGH HE WAS NOT BORN IN USA UNDER US CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS OR ANY OTHER CONRESSIONAL STATUTE IN EFFECT ON DATE OF HIS BIRTH IN 1961 WITH A HAWAIIAN WOMAN AND PURE AFRICAN AS ALIEN FATHER. tHE SAID OBAMA'S MOTHER WAS 18 YRS OLD WHEN BABY OBAMA WAS BORN SHE HAD HAD TO BE AT LEAST 5 YRS OLDER THAT HER ATTAINING 16 YRS OF AGE TO GIVE BIRTH A A POSSIBLE US PRESIDENT LATER, A OF 2008, TO DELIVER CHILD WITH PRESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITY. OBAMA COULD BE NATURALIZED CITIZEN IN USA , NO BDY TRIED FOR IT, OBAMA THE GREAT AS IT APPEARS IS LIKE 13 MILLIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED PERSON LIVING IN USA , AND IN NO BETTER STATUS. DR THE REV KAMAL ROY A GOP WOULD BE HOPEFUL FOR PRESIDENCY ALLEGED AND PRAYED IN VAROUS USDC COURTS IN VRIOUS JURISDICTION WHERE OBAMA NAME COULD APPEAR ON U S PRESIDENTIAL BALLOTS AS DEMOCRAT, TO ISSUE OREDER OF RELEVANT COURTS THAT OBAMA BARRACK HUSSAIN, RELIGION WAS NOT TRULY KNOWN, IN A RELIGIOUS BASED NATION TO WIT "gOD" IS REFERRED IN THE U S CONSTITUTION AS PROMISES TO LAW , ORDER AND EQUITIES TO PEOPLE ; NOW THAT PURELY AFRICAN PROVEN AND AN AMERICAN LIKE UNDOCUMENTED PERSO AS I OBAMA WAS TRYING TO INVADE WHITE HOUSE, WASHINGTON DC. hOMELAND SECURITY DEPT MUST TAKE OBAMA AND MCCAIN IN CUSTODY TO HONOR U S CONSTITUTION TO MAKE NO MCCAIN , NO OBAMA BE PROVIDED ANY SCOPE TO BE U S PRESIDENT, UNTIL IN CUSTODY OF HOMELAND SECURITY UNTIL THEY PROVIDE PAPERS AND DOCUMENTS PROVING THEYU WERE NATURAL BORN IN USA TO BE QUALIFIED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT US. OBAMA AND MCCAIN MAY BE GRANTED AMNESTY TO FAKING TO BE US AMERICAN BORN. iNCIDENTALLY U S SENATE OPINED IN A NONBINDING RESOLUTION THAT MCCAIN J S COULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT, BUT U S SENATE ALONE MAY NOT FRAME LAW OR DECIDE TO MAKE A PERSON AS NATURE BORN IN USA, MCCAIN WAS BORN IN CANAL ZONE NEAR NOW PANAMA WHERE NOUSA JURIDICTION OF USA EXIST IN 1936 , YEAR OF MCCAIN'S BIRTH AS HIS PARENTS WERE U S CITIZEN HE COULD BE NATURE BORN ELIGIBLE IF A STUTTE EIST IN 1936 BUT NO STATUTE EXIST TO GRANT US BORN STATUS TOM MCCAIN, HE COULD BE NATURALIZED BUT NO PERSON TRIED. hE, MCCAIN FAKED US JUSTICE LIKE OBAMA, HE IS LIKE 13 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED PERSON NOW IN USA WHO HAD HAD BEEN LIVING USA WITHOUT ANY COLOR OF LAWFUL ALIENS.

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obama was worst racially corrupt politician and he bused race card to attain celebrity, on way to attaing step to us presdency. If he was not a 1/2 black person , and he was a 100% caucasian, we swear under penalty of perjury that he could not come so far,but the good thing is a mediocre politician without good track records in politics in a predominantly white population obama shall lose election to be leader in usa as president 2008 in whiter u s america, with a simple fact obama, a political magician ( aladin of arabian story of magicians) is not racially integrated to white people of relevance to power to attain prosperity for we the people: see belo:
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pl visit web with words by search : kamal karna roy and/or : federal justia docket ; with plaintiff "roy " , to find out a presidential candidate's statements which were abridged in u s d court filings in diferent jurisdiction wherin sky high, ocean dee and over internet speeded were found in corruption of campaign were detected as violations against weaker people in usa so far leadership issues were discussed. the conclusionary remark was weaker people were made void in leadersearch by the people with compulsory oppressions from powerful. The comments were basiclly taken from person of the weaker community of usa, the rev dr kamal roy, a gop presidential tactical candidate of u s presidency, to some day, claim leadership for the group of weaker people.
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comments on related issues which were abridged from expressed public viw of the rev dr kamal karna roy, a gop tactical presidential hopeful and candidate of u s presidential electoral competition 2008 which copetition was riddled by corruptions of human_god/s in politics in usa; robert mugabe's election in zimbabwe, africa for presidency in 2008 or president musarref's election in Pakistan fell shy with high geared corruption in u s presidential competition due on nvember 4, 2008. see below:
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1. president musarref should not be forced out of pridency for creating new prolonged trouble in south asia. general musarref was truly very disciplined administrator of Pakistan. Pakistan was hot seat of terrorist prone militants beyond islamic religion and alqueda taliban factors in the regions of asia. followers of late ms bhutto and mr nawab had their regimes and had lingering problems of corruptions. Issue was vibrant and were not resolved at all. Mr mussaref may be left alive for his term of presidency or he may be allowed to face impeachment in Pakistan by ruling coalition there in rule. The idea of forcing mussaref out by any other tactics are wrong. the impeach process if any can bring pakistani issues pending for one half of century since independance of pakistan in 1947 from British rule. Pres. bush must not abruptly support the removal of mussaref by the "New Kings" and advisors of ruling coalition, as the pending issues of pakistani rules by military of political parties in corruptions making settlements in interests of we the people of otherwise promising nation of south asia. and the regions. The opinion was abriged form of expressed view of the rev dr kamal karna k roy m b a (1974 id 578804399; s u ny maritime college, new york, ph d (management)d d (doctorate in religions from foreign accredited schols and universities). adv certificate of accomplishment ( 1972 I d 578804399, United states dept of agriculture, washington d c) etc etc : author of many books and publications: search web by search of words in combination :"kamal karna roy hopeful president gop 2008"
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Posted by: rev msdeepamala roy biswas, democratic reforms agent world wide , world religions group | August 14, 2008 10:56 AM

The democrats appear to have significant problems with mathematics.

Which is scary.

FIRST THIS IS THE THIRD BUSH TERM COUNT !

Next, the democrats keep on proposing MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS which they have no way of paying for except to RAISE TAXES WHICH WILL PLUNGE THIS COUNTRY INTO STAGFLATION.

The democrats are irresponsible people who have horrible math skills. They constantly run budget deficits and their personal corruption runs to new heights every year. The democrats hurt this nation everytime they hold an office.

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wherein abuses exceeded mugbe's zimbabwe presidential election 2008. Uno did not act due to negligence in duties or people in democracy; in the case of u s american democracy uno may be afraid to usa for economic solvency of its own due economic dependance on USA. But we the people report that leaders of poorer communities were virtually driven out of presidential race by the humn_gods in politics in usa, viz KAMAL KARNA ROY AS A POOR ORDAINED MOBILE CLERGY ON VOW OF POVERTY WERE NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN NEWS MEDIA EVEN FOR SAKE OF COURTESY FOR PEOPLE OF USA: HILLARY R CLINTON WAS TOSSED OUT OF RACE JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN TO LEAD USA: A 1/2 BLACK AND OTHER 1/2 WHITE INDIVIDUAL WAS TURNED PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRAT NOMINEE ALTHOUGH HE WAS NOT BORN IN USA UNDER US CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS OR ANY OTHER CONRESSIONAL STATUTE IN EFFECT ON DATE OF HIS BIRTH IN 1961 WITH A HAWAIIAN WOMAN AND PURE AFRICAN AS ALIEN FATHER. tHE SAID OBAMA'S MOTHER WAS 18 YRS OLD WHEN BABY OBAMA WAS BORN SHE HAD HAD TO BE AT LEAST 5 YRS OLDER THAT HER ATTAINING 16 YRS OF AGE TO GIVE BIRTH A A POSSIBLE US PRESIDENT LATER, A OF 2008, TO DELIVER CHILD WITH PRESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITY. OBAMA COULD BE NATURALIZED CITIZEN IN USA , NO BDY TRIED FOR IT, OBAMA THE GREAT AS IT APPEARS IS LIKE 13 MILLIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED PERSON LIVING IN USA , AND IN NO BETTER STATUS. DR THE REV KAMAL ROY A GOP WOULD BE HOPEFUL FOR PRESIDENCY ALLEGED AND PRAYED IN VAROUS USDC COURTS IN VRIOUS JURISDICTION WHERE OBAMA NAME COULD APPEAR ON U S PRESIDENTIAL BALLOTS AS DEMOCRAT, TO ISSUE OREDER OF RELEVANT COURTS THAT OBAMA BARRACK HUSSAIN, RELIGION WAS NOT TRULY KNOWN, IN A RELIGIOUS BASED NATION TO WIT "gOD" IS REFERRED IN THE U S CONSTITUTION AS PROMISES TO LAW , ORDER AND EQUITIES TO PEOPLE ; NOW THAT PURELY AFRICAN PROVEN AND AN AMERICAN LIKE UNDOCUMENTED PERSO AS I OBAMA WAS TRYING TO INVADE WHITE HOUSE, WASHINGTON DC. hOMELAND SECURITY DEPT MUST TAKE OBAMA AND MCCAIN IN CUSTODY TO HONOR U S CONSTITUTION TO MAKE NO MCCAIN , NO OBAMA BE PROVIDED ANY SCOPE TO BE U S PRESIDENT, UNTIL IN CUSTODY OF HOMELAND SECURITY UNTIL THEY PROVIDE PAPERS AND DOCUMENTS PROVING THEYU WERE NATURAL BORN IN USA TO BE QUALIFIED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT US. OBAMA AND MCCAIN MAY BE GRANTED AMNESTY TO FAKING TO BE US AMERICAN BORN. iNCIDENTALLY U S SENATE OPINED IN A NONBINDING RESOLUTION THAT MCCAIN J S COULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT, BUT U S SENATE ALONE MAY NOT FRAME LAW OR DECIDE TO MAKE A PERSON AS NATURE BORN IN USA, MCCAIN WAS BORN IN CANAL ZONE NEAR NOW PANAMA WHERE NOUSA JURIDICTION OF USA EXIST IN 1936 , YEAR OF MCCAIN'S BIRTH AS HIS PARENTS WERE U S CITIZEN HE COULD BE NATURE BORN ELIGIBLE IF A STUTTE EIST IN 1936 BUT NO STATUTE EXIST TO GRANT US BORN STATUS TOM MCCAIN, HE COULD BE NATURALIZED BUT NO PERSON TRIED. hE, MCCAIN FAKED US JUSTICE LIKE OBAMA, HE IS LIKE 13 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED PERSON NOW IN USA WHO HAD HAD BEEN LIVING USA WITHOUT ANY COLOR OF LAWFUL ALIENS.

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obama was worst racially corrupt politician and he bused race card to attain celebrity, on way to attaing step to us presdency. If he was not a 1/2 black person , and he was a 100% caucasian, we swear under penalty of perjury that he could not come so far,but the good thing is a mediocre politician without good track records in politics in a predominantly white population obama shall lose election to be leader in usa as president 2008 in whiter u s america, with a simple fact obama, a political magician ( aladin of arabian story of magicians) is not racially integrated to white people of relevance to power to attain prosperity for we the people: see belo:
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pl visit web with words by search : kamal karna roy and/or : federal justia docket ; with plaintiff "roy " , to find out a presidential candidate's statements which were abridged in u s d court filings in diferent jurisdiction wherin sky high, ocean dee and over internet speeded were found in corruption of campaign were detected as violations against weaker people in usa so far leadership issues were discussed. the conclusionary remark was weaker people were made void in leadersearch by the people with compulsory oppressions from powerful. The comments were basiclly taken from person of the weaker community of usa, the rev dr kamal roy, a gop presidential tactical candidate of u s presidency, to some day, claim leadership for the group of weaker people.
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comments on related issues which were abridged from expressed public viw of the rev dr kamal karna roy, a gop tactical presidential hopeful and candidate of u s presidential electoral competition 2008 which copetition was riddled by corruptions of human_god/s in politics in usa; robert mugabe's election in zimbabwe, africa for presidency in 2008 or president musarref's election in Pakistan fell shy with high geared corruption in u s presidential competition due on nvember 4, 2008. see below:
financed challengers in each of those races but none of the three are leading and in only one race -- Maine -- is the incumbent's edge less than 10 points, according to an aggregation of survey data provided by pollster.com.

If you extend the playing field slightly further (and some Democrats do) then you add Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss, Kansas Sen. Pat Roberts and Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe to that longshot yet possible list. (We're not there yet although the DSCC released a poll this week that showed Chambliss in a dog fight and state Sen. Andrew Rice in Oklahoma is running a credible race with some nice looking ads.)

Seen in that light, the path to 60 is decidedly -- if not impossibly -- uphill.

Rebecca Fisher, communications director at the National Republican Senatorial Committee, threw her own bucket of cold water on the idea. "The Democrats are making the case against a 60-seat Senate for us every time they do the bidding of extreme environmentalists and union bosses," she said.

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Posted by: rev msdeepamala roy biswas, democratic reforms agent world wide , world religions group | August 14, 2008 10:56 AM

The democrats appear to have significant problems with mathematics.

Which is scary.

FIRST THIS IS THE THIRD BUSH TERM COUNT !

Next, the democrats keep on proposing MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS which they have no way of paying for except to RAISE TAXES WHICH WILL PLUNGE THIS COUNTRY INTO STAGFLATION.

The democrats are irresponsible people who have horrible math skills. They constantly run budget deficits and their personal corruption runs to new heights every year. The democrats hurt this nation everytime they hold an office.

Donna:

To all those advocating protectionism:

Protectionist legislation (Smoot Hawley Tariff Act) exacerbated the effects of the Depression. Shall we go back there?

What happened when Bush increased tariffs on foreign steel several years ago? How did that affect companies here that relied on steel to do business?

Protectionism hurts everyone.

But if you want to pay higher prices, have more limited choices, then by all means keep pushing for protectionism.

Shall we also ban improvements in productivity, like technological advancements, that are currently responsible for some job displacement?

Maybe a static, stagnant economy is more to your liking?

Quick, call your representatives!

Robert Rose:

DISSENTOR, believe me, in spite of what I have written so far, I very much sympathize with how you and people who think like you feel about the whole thing.

Now, can you give us some indication as to HOW we (the US) get out of the game, as E. puts it?

This is an all-American game, through and through: International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, World Trade Organization (WTO), US dollar as world currency, you name it... It is OUR game!

"They" ("others") are beating us at our own game! And we ain't seen anything yet!!!...

Now HOW do we get out of our own game?

HOW do you suggest we do that?

E:

Dissentor:
It's not a matter of avoiding competition, it's compete or be crushed. We don't have to win at everything, but if we get out of the game, then we'll be left behind.

I can't speak for anyone else, but that seems like a REALLY bad idea to me.

DISSENTOR:

The free trade arguments are very amusing...if a U.S. industry is doing well, it's due to free trade! If it isn't, it's because of not enough free trade. Puh-leeze. I say down with "free trade" and "free markets" which do nothing but decrease our job prospects and put money in the hands of th ultra-rich, and up with making America a better place for all Americans (which isn't going to be accomplished by trying to compete with China and India)!

toshiro:

The thing that's confounding about Obama is he's constantly doing contractory things. He says things that are just plain stupid. I'm a Bush fan, for sure, but Hillary is much more consistant. I'm learning to appreciate the way she's presenting herself. She speaks in an even manner and her message is very consistent. I really don't think Obama means most of what he says, so I don't think there's an imminent threat, but it's so ridiculous how everyone is so gung ho about him when he can say things like that. They used to crucify Bush for saying stupid things. It just boils down to cult of personality for Obama. I don't think we in the U.S. nor others abroad will really know what he's going to do until he gets into the White House. Then we'll all hold our breath.

JRLR:

JON ZIEGLER, I very much enjoyed reading your post.

Earlier, WHITE HARE wrote: "This country is not wrong to feel used by the world."

Used by the world? Possibly. Just consider this:

"According to Jeff Ballinger, a labor studies professor at Webster University and an expert on sweatshops, Chinese workers only earn about one percent of the retail price of the clothing they produce. The Chinese workers who produce a Nike sneaker that costs $70 in American stores earn only 60 to 80 cents per sneaker, Ballinger said...

Nike products are made in giant factories owned by contractors, who operate under standards set by Nike management in Oregon. Nike tells its contractors what designs and fabric to use, and how much they’ll pay for each sneaker. Nike knows in advance what Chinese workers will earn under that arrangement. Nike sets the rules.

If Chinese workers earn only 60 to 80 cents of a sneaker that sells for $70 in U.S. stores, who gets the rest of the money?"

("NPR Debate Moderators All Wet on Sweatshop Labor", by Peter Dreier, 2007 ***)

Yes, who gets the rest of the money, and how much?

Feel used by the world? Who's the world?


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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/07/5693/

ratl:

Drug pushing (Ritalin,Prozac...), neglecting education..., oil wars..., selling out to international crime syndicates (globalization)..., abolishing human rights..., spying on Americans..., racism..., sexism..., the ruling political class... America quo vadis ?

OldLefty:

Does anyone benefit from free trade besides millionaires and billionaires?
For the rest of the people of the world, it's a competition for the lowest standard of living.
All countries should elect those who protect their own industries and people. As it is, the leaders of 'free trade' nations protect the interests of multi-national corporations over those of their own people.

Tokhtamish:

Here we see once again the gap between the Jacobin/Bolshevik willingness of globalist elites to expend the wellbeing of people to their theories of the perfect world and the skepticism of the man in the street who is unwilling to lose his livelihood to buy the love of foreigners.

I mean, listen to Zakaria. Support free trade because it will further our imperial goals of expanding our influence. What elitist criteria !

Nobody talks about another cost of free trade. We have one out of every 100 males in jail or prison. When your economy exports the light manufacturing and assembly jobs that would enable unskilled and semi-skilled workers to be productive citizens, it turns them into an underclass. What used to be neighborhoods of working class families are now run by idle young men. The corporate bottom lines grew fatter but what has the explosion of violent crime in this country since 1970 cost us all ? The American people no longer support free trade because the resulting socioeconomic instability has created a more dangerous world than we had in the 60's.

Hey everybody remembers the '60s. It was a time so safe and secure that millions of young people actually believed that scarcity based values like conflict and competition were obsolete. It was a time when you could "drop out" to "find yourself" and then drop back in without fearing that your life had to be one big resume shining with laser-like career focus since the womb. It was a time when a car loan was 3 years instead of 7 as it is now. We remember how much better our lives were then.

Larry:

Fareed does it again: a very inciteful, cutting edge article that cuts through all the nice rhetoric. Unfortunately, so many people believe protectionism will solve America's declining employment base, uncompetitive cost structure, and the destruction of the dollar, as well as the unattractiveness of U.S. Treasuries to both foreign and domestic investors.

It's always convenient to blame those "DAMN FOREIGNERS", and accept neither existing realities nor any responsibility. Smoot Hawley protections was tried once and was catastrophic during the Great Depression. How could we expect an identical dysfunctional response to result in anything better in this age were we have alienated friends and enemies, originated the subprime and derivative mess, have a weekening economy and dollar, and are watching our power decline as our military is spread out and over-exhausted. Should we not accept the limits or realities of [our] power, we will nonetheless not escape the facts of life.

Jon Ziegler:

For all of you anti-free trade people let me make a few points:

1. American manufacturing- especially cars- has been hurt by a lack of corporate leadership and response to changing global demands. Toyota is not the world's largest car seller because of free trade, it is because their cars are fuel efficient. I live in Europe, and for every Hummer I see, I see at least 15 Yaris.

2. America needs more free trade, not less. Unless you believe the American worker is somehow inferior to workers from other countries, then why should Americans be afraid of free trade? Meanwhile, if we use free trade as a means to get countries to comply with human rights and environmental standards America upholds.

3. US trade deficit is so high because of American consumption, not because of free-trade. Part of this is from oil imports, but when you consume beyond your means and borrow on the hope your home with appreciate in value, of course you are looking at the enormous trade deficit. This is essentially what this entire credit crunch is all about: Americans living beyond their means.

4. Despite being cumbersome, the European Union is a perfect example of the benefits of free trade. It has benefited members (those with the Euro even more) and has been the largest, most successful conflict prevention program ever (Germany France 1871-1945 3 wars, 1945-2008 0 wars). Serbia would certainly have gone to war with Kosovo had not EU membership been available. Moreover, since 2003, the EU has made access to its markets conditional not only upon meeting human rights requirements, but also upon regional cooperation, encouraging countries not to fight their neighbors.

5. The more our economies are interconnected, the less likely we are to fight each other (see Germany-France above). Would China really risk losing its biggest market (the US) over Taiwan? And why would the world suddenly decide to cut off trade with the US? Free Trade has increased under Bush, and it is hard to imagine the US having another president as hated as Bush. If you believe that countries would stop trading with the US for reasons unknown or because they don't like us consider this: would you cut off your arm simply because it was a bit shorter/weaker/uglier than the other? I think not.

6. The shocks of free-trade are felt a bit stronger in the US because we do not have the social infrastructure to absorb it as well as other countries. While Europe experienced social upheaval in the inter-war period and thus sought to eliminate its causes in the post-war period, the US did (and has) not thanks to cheap labor. Where do you get cheap labor from? Immigrants. Cheap labor undercuts the power of unions and workers. Also, when your country spends 500 Billion on its military a year (more than the next 15 countries combined, half of those countries are in NATO, plus there are countries we will never fight such as Israel, Japan, Australia) it is hard to have social programs which compensate for free trade. Consider that next time you admire the F-22 and think about the 7 F-16s which have been shot down in the entire operational history of the plane (the F-22 is replacing the F-16 and costs $137 Million per plane). Maybe some unrest will finally have Americans rethink the role of government, that social spending is a lot better than military spending.

So don't blame free trade, embrace it. When our government realizes that the health of its people is more important than the health of its military, then you will find free trade not the enemy, but the catalyst that makes everyone richer and safer.

Start reading the Economist to see how the world economy really works. www.economist.com

Noah:

Is it just me, or does Fareed Zakaria look an awful lot like Willem Dafoe?

Semion:

Do you know what free trade is? It is when our politicians get paid off by U.S. banks and insurance companies to open a few offices in China. For this they are willing to sacrifice tens or maybe even hundreds of thousands of our best paying jobs. After all, factory workers don't contribute to political campaigns, bankers and insurance companies do.Protectionism is great. If a manufacturing company wants to sell something in another country, it can open manufacturing plants there. What is the problem. This way everyone wins. They can sell let us say in China for lower cost to their Chinese customers, and at higher prices to their American customers.

Semion:

Pretectionism works. I will take gladly give up all the services to have a manufacturing economy. I would gladly send all of our insurance companies and banks to China for return of all our manufacturing jobs that have gone there. If would be nice if insurance kept us warm, but until then I will take clothes.

Semion:

How do explain the fact that this country was such an economic power from the 40's up until NAFTA? And look what we have become, a nation of beggars. With hat in hand we go to the rest of the world begging them to buy our bonds, to lend us money. This is best example of what trade means. Forget about millions of jobs which have gone overseas, which they did. Look what has become of this country, both politically and economically. We have squandered our wealth and influence since we opened our country to free trade. And look what has become of China during the same period. They have become a power, both economic and military. Living in the past in not going to make this country great again. We have to look back to see what made this country successful and get back to what worked.

dom youngross:

Thumbs up to RLSRD, FARKDAWG, BILL JOHNSON, ANONYMOUS (as Posted March 10, 2008 5:43 PM, and March 10, 2008 2:07 PM), GRANDFATHER, EDMUND BURKE, BRENT MACK, JDLEBELL, WILL, JOHNK860, MIKE TROMBLEY, DISSENT, and WHITE HARE.

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"Americans like optimists. They want leaders who look out at the world and see broad, sunlit uplands."

Forget about so-called 'optimistic leaders' looking out at the world and seeing whatever.

As a US citizen, I want an optimistic realist like Ron Paul, who can look at the US and see the recession, and the many reasons for it.

Best yet, I want a leader like Ron Paul who foresaw the recession, and the many reasons for it, for quite some time.

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"If the candidates think they will charm the world while adopting protectionist policies, they are in for a surprise."

What is a US presidential election for? To charm the world? Or determine what is best for us in the US? Ooooo, there's that dirty, sticks-and-stones word, protectionism. I feel so ashamed of myself, for believing that a US presidential election is about doing what's best for us in the US.

If you want to 'charm' the world AND do what's best for us in the US, how about we not invade other countries without first having a Constitutional declaration of war?

We've been charming the living hell out of Iraq for the last five years, at $275 million per day.

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"For a struggling farmer in Kenya, access to world markets is far more important than foreign aid or U.N. programs."

From what I've read in news stories for the past couple of months, that struggling farmer in Kenya has been more worried about getting chopped up or shot by another Kenyan, than so-called US 'protectionist' policies that limit his access to world markets.

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"But both candidates surely know that no one is really paying attention to their policy papers on the topic."

I did. That's why I voted for Ron Paul in my state's primary, and will vote for him in the presidental election.

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"What is said in Ohio is heard in Ghana and Bangladesh and Colombia as well."

To those in Ghana, Bangladesh, and Columbia: Google Ron Paul, assuming your country does not censor your Internet access.

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I'm happy to be among the seeming few here who catches the flawed implication underlying all of Zakaria's 'free trade' nonsense, namely that the fate of everyone else in the world is determined primarily by the trade policies of the US.

Zakaria, as the ultimate 'Ugly American', suggests that Mexicans, Ghanans, Colombians, Kenyans, Indians, and everyone else don't have the primary -- and ultimate -- responsibility for the current quality of life and economic opportunities in their countries. And the underlying implication is that there's no one smart enough in those countries to figure out what they need to do domestically to improve their living conditions.

If Zakaria wants to IMMEDIATELY improve the lot of those in many parts of the world outside the US he would better address the excessive level of official corruption in those parts, rather than US trade policies.

We couldn't even send humanitarian food relief to Somalia in the early 90's without also sending in a military contingent to protect the relief aid from being swiped by the local warlords.

And what about those poor bastards in the Rwandan civil war, and in now Darfur? What about 'ethnic cleansing' in the Balkans? Was that all caused by US trade policies too? NO IT WASN'T. It was caused by long-standing strife over who gets LOCAL RESOURCES, not world trade.

The rest of the world has a lot of catching up to do with the US in terms of civil liberties and domestic problem-solving before they, and Zakaria, cry a river about US trade policies.

_kt_:

Thanks for telling it like it is, Mr. Zakaria. People concerned about poor agricultural nations in Africa and elsewhere should be pushing for an end to farm subsidies. How can farmers in these countries compete against US government-subsidized imports and help build functioning economies in their own countries? Outsourcing jobs to poor countries does much more long-term good then aid in the form of food and money. One thing I like about McCain: he went to Iowa and announced that he was against federal ethanol subsidies.

rlsrd:

As I read all of these posts I just want to reiterate one point I made. Too all of you free trade advocates. WE DO NOT HAVE FREE TRADE. The US can not break through the protectionist poicies of China and India. The real reason politicians want to re-negoiate the trade agreements is not because of the American people. They are under pressure from lobbyists that are fed up with the trade barrier in other countries.

All I know is I make about 6 to 7 times what my father made when he retired in 1978. I have a smaller house. Plus he had a high school deploma. I have a MBA. So you tell me Mr.Z how free trade has made my life better.

Oh and I went to school in the 70's and it was the Iranian's in the American colleges that we're known for cheating. They taught the Americans of the 90's how to do it.

white hare:

Mr. Fareed,
Unfortunately, NAFTA is and always was B.S.

2 Words Printing and New York City.

How the hell was closing the plants and making 5 restaurants per city block mandatory. Would any of you like me going to "your country" and setting up shop, displacing workers and mandating open doors. This country is not wrong to feel used by the world. gwbush really pushed the NAFTA product by starting so many other conflicts in the hearts and minds of the world that we lost sight of the death of manufacturing. It wasn't protectionist; we were holding the retirements. Retraining for me ended up with collecting unemployment. welfare and @ 55 too old for anything according to Labor counselors..Please, preach to people who haven't experienced it. Yes, the chasm is huge. Your mag is not convincing anyone it is not part of the problem.

Anonymous:

It may make a person feel better about their financial situation to blame politicians, corporations, and foreign governments. However, I grew up in the 90s seeing a lot of American public school children not trying too hard in high school (unless you count cheating as hard work). Through out life, I've seen a lot of my fellow Americans buying expensive status symbols (luxury cars, mcMansions, giant flat-screens) with DEBT. How much fault should be placed on each individual compared to evil exterior entities? You know, if you really think free trade is to blame, why not make just one decision to buy an American product this year when you normally wouldn't have? You can start a new grass-roots movement for buying American. Let's face it, you don't have the WILL to do it. You need the government to force you to do it. ~Just like you need the government to force you to save. Americans are in this situation because they have no WILL of their own. When an average American buys a foreign product instead of the more expensive American one hanging beside it, they are just as much to blame (or perhaps more to blame) for their lot in life as a politician who simply allowed the foreign product to hang on the store shelf. Why does the American do it? ~Because we are greedy. We buy foreign products to save ourselves money (in the short run). Interesting, how we think politicians, corporations, and foreign governments should behave better than we do ourselves. But you know, taking responsibility for our own problems and solving them individually and encouraging others to do the same as a community, that is just too much work! Let’s blame others for our problems instead!

Emmanuel:

Funny those Latinos who say "we are looking up to Obama but after listening to him we think he doesn-t wish us well". Most Latinos elites who think of themselves as "Whites" -look at the way they treat Indios and Blacks in their South American countries- have been convincing the Hispanic masses to vote for Hillary. We saw it in California, Texas, New york, Nevada and elsewhere. They really think they can have it both ways... Keep our jobs in America!

Tom:

The anti-free trade commenters are missing two major benefits of freer trade (trade with fewer barriers in both countries).

The first is that goods are considerably cheaper now for many Americans. A study showed that low income people in Chicago now pay about $2000 less for a basket of necessities, which without free trade would have cost them $8700. For low income people that is a big, big deal.

It is true that without trade liberalization, some jobs, now gone, would have stayed in the U.S. But the other side to that is that U.S. consumers would have less money to spend, because they would have paid more for most things, as the Chicago example shows. And with less money to spend, they would have bought fewer goods, and fewer jobs would have been created here. The U.S. would have been worse off because the jobs not created would have been greater in number than the jobs not lost.

The NET result is that with free trade, a country has more jobs and more wealth and overall does better. But the people who lose their jobs due to free trade know who they are, and the people who gain jobs because of free trade don't know who they are, so the intensity of opposition is always greater than the intensity of support, among citizens.

The second benefit is to people in the other countries. Mexico has more jobs and higher wages than without NAFTA. That means they buy more U.S. goods and it also means that they have less incentive to come to the U.S. illegally. As a whole, they, too, are better off.

The bottom line, shown time and again in economics tests and validated in the real world (what can be true in theory can also be true in fact! -- the old economists joke), is that when there is freer trade, more total wealth is created, and incomes and jobs rise, both between the countries and within each one.

But...even though the U.S. and the average U.S. worker is better off with NAFTA, try telling that to the person whose job has been lost. That is the challenge to all of us.

Ali:

You propose the panacea of more education and more training, but for WHAT? If anyone was offering real suggestions as to what the "next big thing" is, American workers would jump at it and feel more confident about their future in the face in globalization. All we've heard is claims that nanotechnology is the new wave of technological innovation, but substantial numbers of jobs haven't appeared from it and you don't even have that bandied about anymore.

dissent:

In the last seven years multi-national (formerly American) corporations have eliminated 2 million American jobs and added over 2 million abroad.

Compared to the 1970's, the wages for American men in their 30's have dropped 12%.

Inequality has soared to the levels of before the Great Depression.

The Rust Belt has been in a depression for decades.

Wall Street is serving the interests of multi-national corporations and their foreign workers, not Americans. And look what has happened as a result: record levels of indebtedness and a tsunami of foreclosures.

What now, free trader Zakaria?

How do you propose hammering the American worker and shafting the middle class, for your precious theories?

I say : NO MORE sacrificing our future for the likes of you.

GW:

Good points from the article. This is actually a reflection of the problem with democracy in a bigger picture. Mr. Zakaria mentions that leaders should "educate and elevate people". Unfortunately, this is less likely when leaders have to woo the people in order to be elected in the first place. And that entails them saying, and often doing, what they are expected by the people to say or do. This coupled with a less-than-well-educated public, it is no wonder then politicians will advocate protectionism and attack free trade. Worse yet, they would often blame their own economic problems on foreign scapegoats.

BTW, judging from the comments here so far, many candidates would need to add nationalism to their speeches. (Or maybe they have already done that...never mind.)

Mike Trombley:

"There are no serious economists or experts who believe that low wages in Mexico or China or India is the fundamental reason that American factories close down."

I don't know about factories, but low wages are definitely the reason why IT jobs get outsourced to India and China. Oh, by the way, these are the jobs for which laid off manufacturing workers are supposed to be retrained.

Are these the same economists and experts who gave cover to Enron, S&L crisis and the subprime mortgage crisis? Wake up.

Johnk860:

re your comment "There are no serious economists or experts who believe that low wages in Mexico or China or India is the fundamental reason that American factories close down." Educate me. What is the fundamental reason that American factories close down? If it isn't wages, why then outsource? If not wages, why not invest the same capital in factories here? Your input would be welcome.

rlsrd:

Oh one other thing Mr. Z. didn't mention. The protectionist policies of the very countries that want our jobs. China and India arn't open free trade countries. So where do you get off lecturing us.

Vanessa Mitchell:

Mr. Fareed

We have a long way to go in America, we're in a recession and our citizens are hurting. Solutions take time and we like the rest of the world are holding our breathe.

You make common sense.

Johnk860:

re your comment "There are no serious economists or experts who believe that low wages in Mexico or China or India is the fundamental reason that American factories close down." Educate me. What is the fundamental reason that American factories close down? If it isn't wages, why then outsource? If not wages, why not invest the same capital in factories here? Your input would be welcome.

Jonathan Kaplan:

The question of protectionism vs. free trade seems to be handled without talking about anything specific. Lets try to talk about specific problems.

There are four ways of competing effectively with countries who can supply products at massively lower labor costs:
1. Improve production methods to such an extent that they overcome such cost differentials. Unfortunately, this really means having machines do much of the work, and this results in workers losing their jobs just as much as cheap labor does.
2. Lower local workers wages to approach those of those countries massively lower labor costs. Unfortunately, this results in workers who can't afford to buy very much, and have a low standard of living.
3. Abandon such industry and shift the workers to something else at which they can compete. This is mindlessly described as something like--"Retrain the workers". Unfortunately, retraining them as computer programmers or some other difficult technical job, is usually unlikely due to those jobs intellectual requirements, and now results in competition with India and other countries that have many people in such fields who are paid substantially lower wages. Then there was retraining the workers to do semi-skilled building/service trade jobs. Unfortunately, many illegal immigrants are now in such trades at very reduced wages. That leaves burger flipping at minimum wage.
4. Make the product in question so much better that the cheap labor sources can't compete. In theory, this would work, but mostly nobody knows how to do it.

So, it seems to me that rather than talking about the philosphical goodnes of these positions, it would be interesting if Mr. Zakaria would discuss in specific how unrestricted free trade can be handled to avoid the above problems. Otherwise, the way it works is that low wage countries see their average wages go up, and high wage countries see them go down until the two meet at some point.

Catherine:

What does somebody who 3 years ago was sitting in a backwater state senate have to offer on the national economy? Other people's warmed over 'thoughts.' Clinton has had ample opportunity to reflect on this matter, however.

Mexicans have been pouring in here since NAFTA. NAFTA has not made Mexico a 'stable democracy.' That is ridiculous, it is as corrupt as ever. McCain can lose the election to either Democrat though if he will not look at trade agreements like this and WTO. Americans are tired of the race to the bottom and competing with Third World wages. They want protectionism.

Zakaria is an intelligent man who always, however, and without exception argues the foreign point of view.

center:


Obama has it right. Clinton will slip in the abyss much like her big supporter Spitzer....who preaches something and does something different.

Spitzer clintoned the public. In trade, Hillary will clinton the US public.

enough of clintoning the US workers.

Chris:

Bravo Zakaria! You have hit the nail on the head. Sounds like the fallacies of protectionists haven't changed in the 200+ years since Adam Smith and David Ricardo (and their successors) got all of this right.

To those who think NAFTA causes unemployment, check the unemployment numbers! Sure, there are job losses in some industries, but compensating gains in others.

To those who think NAFTA causes falling wages, guess what -- firms do not only compete on low wages, they also compete on low capital costs, low transport costs, etc. In fact, exporting industries tend to pay *more* as they expand after a trade deal.

To those who think NAFTA causes trade deficits and a depreciating dollar, Google "balance of payments" and see what comes up! The real causes are a low private saving rate (a long term US problem both before and after NAFTA, getting worse by the day), government budget deficits (yes, that means Bush's silly tax cuts are to blame!), and stagnant investment (again, Bush's tax cuts were way oversold!), along with a few other assorted factors.

Trade deals aren't perfect, and we should do a better job looking after those individuals negatively impacted by trade deals (they exist, but are not the majority), but give credit where credit is due.

JRLR:

How amusing is the suggestion, in 2008, that world trade has to do with anything like "America's reputation and relations with the world"... "the United States (continuing) its historic role in opening up the world economy"... "wishing others well"... "being brave and courageous on trade and immigration", let alone "transforming countries into democracies"! It is all the more amusing given that in view of both traditional and recent American foreign policy throughout the world, it is less clear than ever what all that sugary sentimentalism is supposed to mean.

Hard facts are: Empire or not, there is no future for a protectionist United States of America in today's multipolar world. The mere thought of adopting protectionist policies suggests considerable decline in both national stature and international standing. In other words, protectionism is, for the United States, the thruway to no future, the turnpike to DeadEnd City.

Vision, highest quality education for all, creativity, innovation, keep a country (however small!) relevant, competitive and in a position of leadership in the world.

That is why, although no Bushie by any stretch of the imagination... I conclude that the only way to go is "forward". Forward? Yes. Which raises this crucial question: "Now where is this country going, do you know? Is it going anywhere?"

Judging by some of the latest campaign ads, it is to be hoped this country is not just waiting for a phone call... in the middle of the night.

Will:

"There are no serious economists or experts who believe that low wages in Mexico or China or India is the fundamental reason that American factories close down." This statement is patently false. Factories in places as far flung the US, Mexico, Taiwan and even Pakistan have closed and the work moved to China because of the cheaper labor costs in China. Zakaria has listened to mindless economists on this point.

jdledell:

Fair global trade is important to not only the US but to the rest of the world. That being said, one has to look at the current results of America's trading. We have been running a trade deficit of over $700 billion for a number of years. That simply cannot continue much longer without bankrunpting America.

Our balance of payments deficit now reaches multi-trillions of dollars. We are borrowing these trillions from foreign entities to continue to fuel our rabid consumption habits.

We simply have to do something to bring this picture into better balance. We do not have to run a zero deficit but $700 billion a year cannot be sustained.

The answer is to implement a slowly evolving tariff on goods imported from countries with large trade deficits - notably China. Something like 1%/year would give all parties a chance to adjust and over time bring the US tade deficit into better balance.

Brent Mack:

Whoa! Hasn't this form of Economic Religion just about run its course?

I am d@mn tired of hearing these insulated "academics" attempt to tell us that we don't understand what in the hell we're experiencing!

I'm not interested in sacrificing another generation or two of Americans for the sake of the uber-elite's global economy.

Your little game of "competition" is vastly over-rated. What do I gain by watching American jobs leave while China is on the rise? Nothing.

Let each country meet it's own needs - and then trade based on real needs - not the mere search for a boost in quarterly profits.

Now some would suggest that I don't know what I'm talking about. But rest assured - that shoe is on the other foot. You'll ultimately find that out.

Doug:

Support your view on trade, but I'm puzzled by your claim that no serious economist thinks lower wages in China or Mexico are the source of manufacturing job loss. The reason that is always given is that 'we can't be competitive with U.S. labor costs'. What would be the other reason?

carl hendricks:

Mr Zakaria speaks the truth. Trade is beneficial to us and as importantly is beneficial to every other nation in the world. We have become the buyer of last resort and I don't think any ration-al person would want to see the effects of what would become a world wide depression if the USA returned to the stupidity of Smoot-Hawley. Both Clinton and Obama have been unbelievably stupid and reckless in their pandering political slogan-eering to crowds here in America. Clinton knows better in my own estimation. Obama probably is naive, but this is something we cannot abide. I suspect the more Obama speaks on the critical issues he has avoided thus far more and more of the population will see that he is not the man for the highest office in the land and as leader of the free world which in many ways is the real job of our presidents. Bush has made all the hard choices and this has caused him loss of public affection. Truman experienced similar travails.
Mr Zakaria has done a great service to cast cold water on the demagoguery of the two Democratic candidates but also that of their party. It takes political courage to do what Bush has done. He has been right most of the time but clearly mistakes have been made and his popularity has suffered. Hopefully the American people will re-flect upon this when they vote in the general election. It would help America a great deal if the Democrats would focus more on truth rather than what appeals to the resentments and biases of its base. The Republicans would be wise to do the same. McCain, I think, is trying to get us to that point which can only lead us to a better day. Otherwise we will wallow in the sewer for a long time to come.

dom youngross:

You have got to be kidding.

Would anyone reading Zakaria's article that also believes low wages and lack of environmental regulations in Mexico and China -- and 'free' trade deals -- have NOT siphoned jobs from the US please raise their hands?

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Yeah, I didn't see many hands go up.

That's one of the many reasons why I support Ron Paul for president, because of his positions on US Independence and Sovereignty.

But be forewarned: if you support Paul openly, people such as Zakaria will call you terrible things, like maybe an 'ignorant protectionist' -- oooooo, that hurts.

Newsweek International may have the ink, in the form of bytes, to run propaganda like this. But we have the VOTE, and VOTE beats ink, and bytes.

Edmund Burke:

When trade trumps nationhood, it undermines and does not strengthen. Trade between partners, who share a modicum of general core values, lifts both. However, trade between disparate nation states, who may even be in an inimical stance versus each other, does nothing to lessen tensions, and, the opponent who has the lowest level of morals, lowest level of rule of law, and, the more diabolical outlook, will actually be using trade as a weapon to undermine the other party.

Anonymous:

Enough with this retraining baloney. Retrain for WHAT?!

10 years ago, the line was: "Let laid-off workers retrain for the tech sector -- dot.coms are making a lot of money!" So laid off workers spent their severance packages and retrained, got MCSEs ... and were promptly laid off again when the tech bubble burst.

5 years ago, the line was: "Let laid-off tech workers retrain for construction and real-estate - this housing boom is phenomenal!!" So again, the laid-off workers spent their severance packages, retrained ... and well, we see what's happening.

All this "retraining" -- for bubble industries!!!! -- is expensive and a short-term fix so the companies don't need to deal with the problems they've created in being so greedy. I dare anyone who pitches this idea to try to "retrain" themselves and see exactly how pointless and expensive it is. Perhaps Zakaria can "retrain" himself into actually having a clue about how these lame-brained decisions impact the American worker.

lurker:

Grandfather II, US-Canada FTA was signed in the 80's and NAFTA went into effect around 1992. The Canadian dollar hit parity last year, 15 years later, due to the rise in the price of oil and gas, a major Canadian export. No causality there.

The whole NAFTA debate is a red herring. Exchange rates (which make US domestic production less competitive and imports cheaper when the dollar is high), the price of oil, and domestic policy affect the U.S. economy far more than any trade agreement.

Salty1:

Fareed Zakaria has displayed a disappointing willingness to speak before becoming informed on the matter of Obama and free trade. Obama is not, and has never held himself out to be, a protectionist. Obama's criticism of trade have been and continue to be consistent: hardly the knee-jerk protectionist, Obama has been unwavering in his commitment to free trade on terms that do not give rise to labor abuses, environmental degradation, or nontariff barriers to US exports (and an increased focus on job-transition help for affected domestic industries). Anyone who hasn't heard these points in Obama's discussion of the topic simply hasn't been listening (or reading).

But this has been Obama's flaw all along on issue after issue - failing to communicate complexity and nuance to people accustomed to mind-numbing simplicity.

I simply would have expected a more thoughtful analysis from someone of Zakaria's stature.

Grandfather II:

No wonder the Canadians like NAFTA. Look at what has happened to the Canadian dollar vs. the U.S. dollar. The value of our currency is down, the value of the Canadian dollar is up. This change has taken place since NAFTA. I don't remember the exact year of the value of a Canadian dollar when it was 76 cents, US. I know it wasn't long ago. Now it is on par. So who has benefited from NAFTA and not going into Iraq?

Grandfather:


If you want to set up a one-world government controlled by a few, you could not have a wealthy nation while others are so poor. So what would you do if you were in control. Why, you would make the wealthy nation poor by instituted measures that you knew would make them poor.

With our good manufacturing jobs gone, our service workers being paid low wages, our health care system out of the reach of many, illegal immigrants coming across the border to take jobs from citizens and residents, within one generation, 70 percent of our population will be poor, because the only things they can afford to purchase are consumable items such as gasoline and food.

The increased national debt will guarantee that our grandchildren will have nothing also.

Viola - One World Government controlled by the few.

Wayne:

As far as NAFTA goes it is too late to change it and speaking as a Canadian ... believe me you do not want to go there. You see there are quite a few people up here in Canada that would love to see NAFTA re-opened so that we can get more money for all the oil that we have guaranteed to you for your energy security as part of NAFTA. There are also quite a few people up here who want to tear up NAFTA and build our own refinieries because China is pressing us for more Trade!

anonymous:

Bunch of baloney. Who says wage differentials are not the cause for the loss of American manufacturing. American manufacturing has been presented with impossibly competitive challenges to which the only rational response is to manufacture abroad. A time will come when we will have no money to pay for our imports, our workers wage and living standards will be on par with Mexico, and we will have lost our manufacturing and entrepreneurial skills. That perhaps will make the free traders happy. And to what purpose? We should not care what people in Bangladesh or Angola or China think of our trade policies. They are far more restrictive. It is their society and Government's responsibility to make their economy grow, not America's.

Tom Balaban:

No matter the truth of what you write, educating an electorate that insists on getting its information in SMS or 10 second sound bites is an impossible task.

Bill Johnson:

To Hell with free trade. I was promised wealth and prosperity in the 90's if I supported free trade. I did and instead of the wealth I was promised, I received a pink slip. Well, I've learned, I've learned not to believe a word that comes from the mouth of people like this guy.

farkdawg:

So Fareed, how do we keep all our manufacturing jobs from going overseas? This concept that we can become more of a service-based economy seriously underminds our national security. If we are at war and our enemies become our suppliers then we have made a bigger blunder than the economic blunder of having some protectionism.

Perhaps China had never considered that they could poison us as a tactic in some adversarial situation, but after the tainted pet food and lead paint in toys that were discovered in the last few years, China certainly has considered it now.

We need to keep a base of manufacturing here or we will not be free from strong international pressures. The level of trade that we have will keep us engaged and cooperating, but letting all our manufacturing slip beyond our borders is really troubling and would make some tariffs against non-democratic trading partners seem like a speed bump.

Not to worry. Obama's people called the Canadian consulate to let them know not to take his political rhetoric seriously. Hopefully voters will also be smart enough to know when not to listen.

Clinton's call to revisit trade treaties is perfectly reasonable. The WTO is constantly trying to improve global trade agreements, and treaties with fewer signatories should be easier to make progress on. Existing treaties inevitably contain loopholes to protect special interests from consumers, but the trade agreements reduce the need for special pleading, making it easier for future treaties to be more encompassing. Canadians welcome the opportunity to strengthen enforcement mechanisms and hold Americans to higher labor and environmental standards, while Mexicans will benefit from having higher standards imposed on them (and they know it). America's immediate neighbors can help America adapt to new competition from China and other developing countries. Bill Clinton helped upgrade the FTA to NAFTA; Bush has not paid attention to such foreign policy minutiae, but one can expect Hillary Clinton to work with Canada, Mexico, and possibly other partners to bring NAFTA into the 21st century.

RLSRD:

In one breath you say economists don't think it's the wage dfferential that American factories are closing and then you say that OSHA reforms etc. Won't effect the huge wage difference. A lot of the Americans that are losing their jobs have advanced degrees. So the retraining talk is boloney. Have your econiomists look up Ricardo's thery and Samulsons book on outsourcing two Economic giants that realize that it global greed not global trade. If global trade was working the US deficit would not be whre it is in regards to it's trading partners.

Your not buying American products because tyour being paid on the cheap and when you take the buying power away from the Americans that are buying products you get exactly what you have today. America in recession.

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