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As a devout Muslim (Indonesian), I would also agree that Indonesia should take small steps (based on how comfortable the people feel) into becoming an Islamic state reflecting on how much more religious the people have become compared to past decades. Therefore, I do believe that Islamic ideas and thoughts and consequently Islamic rulings in Indonesia should be sent to the ballot box. However, it should be sent to a ballot box that only Islamic scholars have access to. I say this, because I believe any religious rulings should be based on or at least heavier on the depth of Islamic knowledge that scholars have. Because unfortunately we still have a significant undereducated population that may try to express their religiousness through votes in wrong ways and that can be easily lured into voting by those who want to take advantage of them for personal gains. What I mean is that I don't want to see political leaders trying to dress up Islamically, just so they could receive more votes, but rather that these leaders push for the right Islamic ideas or influences coming from scholars. This is of course just like the many other fields that politicians must occupy themselves with where experts are needed and have a stronger voice than average citizens. For example, policies regarding the social and economic aspects of the country must consider much more the voices of the sociologists and economists, while the education with education specialists.

Sir Aaron: Islam is a backward, violent, expansionist, dangerous, totalitarian??

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the preceding poster illustrates pretty clearly how clouded peoples judgement becomes, and their inabiltity to look at an issue without the lens of their prejudices interfering.

the topic is TURKISH elections, not the perceived failings of the indoneisan government.

one mans democratic party is anothers militant group?

like the militant secualrists in turkey who have oppressed religious expression?

or the current democratic government which has allowed women to participate in the government, something the secularists wouldnt allow?

so youre suggesting that a country of 99% muslims, (which turkey is) not have politics?

secularism in turkey has more in common with a military dictatorship than freedom.

in a democratic manner, a countryof muslims have voted for a leader who practices their religion-

just as the point is made that no -philosophy be coercive, turkey is proof positive that it is what the people want- for themsleves-

of course it is a great threat to see a country flourish under a moderately practicing muslim-

it belies the xenophobic alarmists contention that islam is incompatible with human rights.

but no one has suggested that turkey become a theocracy-

if the military in america statred destroying churches, crosses, synogogues and stars of david, do you think there would be a reaction?

it is extremist language (and not addressing the issue at all) of an either/or mentality that is the opposite of what the turks have voted for in their own country.

let the turks decide for themsleves how they wish to govern themselves.

as they clearly have

While I do agree with the article's argument that there should be a clear distinction made between political Islam and religious extremism, the line in the world in general and Indonesia in particular is often very blurry. The quintessential question is: how much mixing are we willing to tolerate between political Islam and religious extremism?
In Indonesia, the case of Laskar Jihad, a militant group which has previously participated in a holy war against Christians, is quite clear. The jury is still not out on "grey-er" parties that are harder to read. In the latest issue of the Far Eastern Economic Review, the article: "Step Up the Fight Against Islamism" by Sadanand Dhume brings up some interesting cases.
One prominent party, the Justice and Prosperity Party (PKS), which Dhume labels "Indonesia's version of Egypt's Muslim brotherhood", has been accused of having links to Abu Bakar Bashir, the alleged spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiyah, the deadliest Southeast Asian terrorist group. Is this indirect association with violence enough to warrant a ban against PKS from Indonesian politics? Maybe yes, maybe no. What about if a party formally rejects violence but does not condemn incidents like the beheading of three Christian schoolgirls in Sulawesi in 2005? What if it preaches "jihad" -- itself a politically loaded and religiously subjective term?
One thing that these questions make clear is that it does not suffice simply to say -- down with religious extremism, and welcome political Islam. More often than not, parties contain shades of both, and one man's democratic party may be another's militant group. Furthermore, some, including Dhume, have argued convincingly that the foray of Islamist parties into politics is even more perilous than the existence of Islamic fundamentalist groups, simply because the former has the potential to affect the political process through its radical ideas. Dhume argues that some parties have undermined Indonesia's nonsectarianism and democratic tradition considerably, by, for instance, outmaneuvering non-Muslims from powerful government posts (such as the case of Manadonese Christian Johny Lumintang).
Thus, the argument that political Islam belongs in the ballot box, while religious extremism remains in the shadowy underworld, is idealistic and ultimately misguided. The main problem lies in how one differentiates the two when they mix. Furthermore, to claim that including political Islam furthers democracy is to make an objective assessment on an issue that is based in subjective criteria. Does one judge increases in democracy merely by the inclusion of radical political parties, or through a more nuanced assessment of how they affect current debate and undermine a sensitive political process?

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"A growing number of americans are getting wise to islam and they sick of it."

To the contrary, Islam is the fastest growing religion in America!!

What I'm sensing from your talking points is that you watched too much Fox Channel TV..and thought that is the reality on the ground. Islam has much to offer to human kind and neither today's media nor actions of few Muslims will never be able to bar people from accessing Islam.

Sorry Mr Bayuni, Hitler came to power through the ballet box.

Even Mr Bayuni's islamic propaganda piece let slip a truth we all know too well about islam.

islam is violent just like its murdering prophet.

"banning political Islam only drives the movements underground and leads to violence."

What Mr Bayuni is saying here is 'don't ban islam because muslims will respond with violence, let them subjugate your country through the ballot box instead.'

islam is a backward, violent, expansionist and needs to be defeated by the west.

islam is totalitarian and dangerous. we defeated nazism, we defeated communism, now we have to defeat islam.

A growing number of americans are getting wise to islam and they sick of it.

islam has got to go.

an interesting article, which is marred by the fact that the writer continues to use the same ridiculous catchphrases as most of the other media, by throwing around words such as "religious extremism".

its pretty obvious to anyone that any muslim who:

doesnt believe in secularism (islam is patently against it),

doesnt accept rule by anything other than which god has stipulated (which islam requires),

prays 5x a day (islam requires),

believes its obligatory for women to cover her hair (islamic requirement)

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is considered to be a "radical" and a "extreme", merely for wishing to follow the requirements of their religion. Which is quite interesting considering these words and their common usage is only about 10 years old.. and even more amusing when you look at the catholic encyclopedia and read the church's rejection of secularism.

continual use of these stupid words only confuses the issue rather than addressing it.

The issue is, that a lot of musilms (if you check recent polls, well over half of muslims world wide) wish to implement the requirements of their religion, which include implementing the systems of governance as mandated within their religion and have been continually oppressed by physically by western installed and backed dictators in almost every muslim country.

For all the world speaks about democracy, they do their level best to prevent muslims from implementing their religious obligations at every turn. briliant exampls being france's banning of the hijab and their intervention in the algerian election of 1992, where islamists were about to take something like 92% of the vote. None these democratic countries care about democracy otherwise they'd be the first people to champion the cause of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizb ut Tahrir, and may of the other islamic organisations which currently have their members rotting in jail in egypt or being boiled alive in the prisons of uzbekistan by the minions of the ironically named US-backed dictator, 'Islam Karimov'.

Muslims quite rightly understand that the world's democracies are their greatest enemies. Just about every muslim country that has been attacked or invaded in the last 80 years or so has been attacked by a democratic nation. we now have the armies of democracy occupying two countries with one of the presidential candidates (barack obama) now threatening to invade a third if he's elected (iraq). Putting bombing for democracy aside, we only need to look at the policies that these democracies hold.. with the US providing tacit support for known terrorist organisations like Mujahideen e khalq (MEK) and Jundallah in Iran.

Further, you see the bitter hypocritical irony of the US getting all upset at Turkish plans to invade kurdistan to crush the kurdistan workers party (PKK) who have taken some 30,000 turkish lives and regularly kill turkish soldiers. Oh its all fine for the US to unilaterally invade 2 countries half a world away under the guise of spreading democracy and self defence, but how DARE turkey invade the country next door to crush terrorists who have killed so many of the turkish citizenry and soldiery.

this disgusting and ridiculous "you can have it your own way, if its done just how we say!!!" attitude that oozes from the great democracies of the world is not even thinly veiled. Its not surpising that so many muslims turn to the possibility of a caliphate when the two options presented to them are dictatorship and western Democrapsy. If you add to the fact that creation of the caliphate is a religious obligation upon all muslims, it only seems like a much more attractive option.

the sooner those who believe in democracy stop throwing around stupid catchphrases, stop supporting dictators in the muslim world,stop perpetuating hypocrisy and oppression in the muslim world, starts practicing what they preach and gets their armies and quit waging a political and ideological war against the muslims - the sooner the world will be a better place.

The only mortal threat to this flourishing democray in Turkey is the seculairst military dictatorship-a legacy of attaturk that was never a democracy on the model of European democracy:that seperates church and state and protects religion and guarrantees freedom of religion.