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False historiography Mr. Kuttab. "Pro-Israel" forces neither led the charge in favor of the US invasion of Iraq, nor were they over represented in the domestic coalition who supported President Bush. It may be convenient for your argument, but the facts don't support the assertion.

False historiography Mr. Kuttab. "Pro-Israel" forces neither led the charge in favor of the US invasion of Iraq, nor were they over represented in the domestic coalition who supported President Bush. It may be convenient for your argument, but the facts don't support the assertion.

Hussein:

I understand your frustration with conditions in your part of the world in general and, more specifically, the plight of the Palestinians in the territories. But, you must understand that misstating verifiable facts does not help your case.

First, the Hamas Covenant preamble states that: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." And, in Article Eleven: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day." That appears to an unequivocal denial that Israel has a right to exist.

Second, regarding freedom of religion in Israel, the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics says that the number of Arabs in Israel is calculated as 1,413,500 people or 19.8% of the Israeli population (2006). And, according to a new poll released in January 2007 (Uzi Arad and Gal Alon, "Patriotism and Israel's National Security - Herzliya Patriotism Survey 2006,"Herzliya: Institute for Policy and Strategy, 2006), 82 percent of Israeli Arabs said it is "better to be a citizen of my country than others." I am sure that many Israeli Arabs are not altogether pleased to be yoked to a Jewish state, but it doesn’t appear that they are too eager to change places, either.

Lastly, Palestinian Arabs have had the opportunity for a free and independent state on at least four different occasions since 1937 and refused each time. Unfortunately, each time peace with Israel is rejected and a Palestinian state refused the size of any future Palestinian state shrinks. It is surely an uncomfortable and humiliating situation for all Arabs, but beyond sympathizing for your plight, I don’t know what to suggest. What would you like to see happen?

A list of invitations is being compiled to attend the Annapolis Summit. Approval must be given by US Sec. of State Rice, who is being urged strongly to deny participation of some countries by no other than, AIPAC. The 2 delegates who need to confront each other peacefully, are Hamas and Israel. Of the 2 hostile entities, 1 is banned from admittance, the other dictates policy, conditions, and what settlements will remain. Who else will not be included on the guestlist? Perhaps Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon depending on election results.

"PALE RIDER:
I just got into town. Had a bath,shave and a drink. What has AIPAC done wrong ? Did it venture from the norms established by the Turkish,Armenian,Greek,Irish lobbies ? How about that nice group called the Arab League ? Please help. I am somewhat confused,as you can tell."

The types of things that AIPAC are doing are criminal racketeering and espionage on American soil for another nation's agendas over our own
national security interests. Hiding behind the word "lobby" does not cleanse AIPAC. IRA (Irish Republic Army) got busted in USA for such activities, and banned from America as terrorists, and rightly so. I bet the Mafia regrets not going legit in the past, by becoming "the MAFIA lobby". What a clever cover that would've been. The notoriety AIPAC has earned itself is not just because it is an unregistered foreign lobby doing illegal things on US soil, but the fact that it is the LARGEST & MOST POWERFUL un-registered foreign lobby as well. The unethical control it holds over American Congress is well-documented.

The fact that there may be other smaller un-registered foreign agents operating as lobbies for other nations in our country does not negate what AIPAC is and does. ALL foreign agents/lobbies/ambassadors of ALL nations
should file under FARA (Foreign Agents
Registration Act), especially after 9/11, or be banned from our country for breaking US laws.

I just got into town. Had a bath,shave and a drink. What has AIPAC done wrong ? Did it venture from the norms established by the Turkish,Armenian,Greek,Irish lobbies ? How about that nice group called the Arab League ? Please help. I am somewhat confused,as you can tell.

"At what point do we say, 'Get a life?'"

Indeed. And at what point do we say to Israel, "We're tired of handing you $4-6 billion every year. Figure out how to stand on your own two feet. If it means you have to make concessions to the Palestinians and Arabs, that's not really America's problem, is it? Figure it out."

There have been water conflicts in this region since Abraham's wells and before. The green in the "Green Line" in Israel is literal. It is a demarcation between those who flourish under arid conditions and those who choose to live in primitive conditions and despise the "greedy Jews" who prosper. At any rate, sources such as the UN are immediately suspect. It has sustained an army of Jew-bashers using about a third of its resources for that sole purpose.

The fact is that "Palestinian" water problems are largely self-inflicted to engender sympathy from the gullible.

"... like many West Bank villages and towns, had refused to hook up with the Israeli water system in the early 1980's, when Israeli officials offered them the chance. Doing so, the politicians felt, would legitimize the Israeli occupation. Even the villages that did hook up refused to pay into the Israeli water fund that subsidizes the system's costs. As a result, Palestinians now pay as much as three times what Israelis pay for water. (Water and Peace, Audubon, September 1994)"

The fact is that Gaza depends almost entirely on Israel for its water despite massive infusions of aid to make it self-sufficient. The aid monies were, of course, stolen by the Palestinian kleptocracy who in turn blames the Jews for the water problems. Another recent incident highlights the standard course of events in the area. Several unfortunates recently drown in a sea of raw sewage in Gaza when a retaining wall burst. The irony is that sewage pipe supplied by Israel to alleviate this kind of problem was used to manufacture Qassam terror rockets fired at Israel. These are the people with whom we are trying to deal. At what point do we say, "Get a life?"

For people who are not dishonest, here are a couple of links regarding Israel's theft of water from the Palestinians:

Princeton University study of water use in Israel/Palestine, showing that of the three major aquifers in the West Bank, Israel and its settlements appropriate 537 of 679 million cubic meters available to the aquifers annually:

http://www.wws.princeton.edu/wws401c/geography.html#mountain

Foundation for Middle East Peace report on water in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which includes the finding that Palestinian per capita water availability ranges between 35 and 80 liters per day, compared with the WHO and USAID estimates of 100 liters per day as being required to sustain health:

http://www.fmep.org/analysis/articles/water_policy_maher.html

Joseph, alla ysalmak.

William, you clearly are unable to consider the possibility that Israel does anything wrong. What research did you do in order to decide that Israeli water theft is of the same character as rumors of conspiracies to give Arafat AIDS? None at all, William. None at all. And so that is how much credibility you have with me, William: None at all. None at all.

Good-bye.

@Joseph

Oh, please, what am I to refute? Today, it's "the Jews are stealing our water". Yesterday, it was "the Jew's are poisoning our water and air and causing cancer" ala Suha Arafat. Of course the Jews also poisoned Arafat after they gave him AIDS. Dissimulation (see taqiyya) will not aid your cause nor will it tire or wear down your opponents. Israel lives, thrives and prospers and will continue to do so despite the maniacal hatred it brings out in the Arab mind. Get over it, quit blaming the Jews and make a life for yourself.

The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs. Calling Arabs anit-semites is like calling South Koreans anti-Korean.

I believe Israelie/Palestinean differences are based on land, water. And yes, since Israel has the upper hand, prolonging the conflict gives them an advantage to grab more land and more water.

Israel's, Saudies', and Iran's national interest are aligned with US interest. However, these days, it appears as though Iran's national interest are even more aligned with US than the other two. The shiites are sitting on all of the oil reserves in the world and also happen to be less radical in terms of their religious zeal than both the rest of the moslems as well as the jewish people. US wants flow of oil and end to terror and Iran can deliver the first and help with the second.

Obviously, AIPAC like all other interest groups is busy buying American politicians. Some interest groups have been so organized and so influential in fund raising that they no longer even sweat the issues. At the same time the current US administration officials have personal financial interests in their relationship with the Saudies. The combination of a political landscape tilted toward Israel and a President and VP who are paid for by the Saudies could result in attacking Iran. If the happens, I think it would difficult to see how US interest have been helped.

Important to know the other Neocon "think tanks"/foreign lobbies:

AEI

Campus Watch
Canadian Coalition for Democracies (Canada)
Center for Security Policy
Committee for the Liberation of Iraq
Committee on the Present Danger

Foreign Policy Research Institute
Foundation for Defense of Democracies

Henry Jackson Society (UK)
Hudson Institute

IASPS "Clean Break" : http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

JINSA

Middle East Forum

PNAC

William, Israel has appropriated for itself most of the water of the West Bank, providing it for Jewish settlers in the territory to have green lawns and swimming pools in a desert environment, while Palestinians have been prevented from drilling any new wells, even while their existing wells go dry because the water table, over-exploited by Israel, is falling.

How is it self-defense to deny innocent people water?

@Joseph

I believ that I have a good grasp on both. Please try to be specific about "what Israel does" that is not a self-defensive measure.

"Finally, supporting Israel serves our interests because it is the right thing to do."

You clearly know very little about what Israel does or very little about right and wrong.

The United States' interest in the formation of a Palestinian state lies in the wrong-headed notion that it will One: quell Arab hostility toward the west; And, two, provide a legacy for the president that presides over its creation.

Finally, supporting Israel serves our interests because it is the right thing to do. There is, and I pray, always will be a righteous element that governs the American psyche and this intrinsic goodness manifests itself in support for Israel.

I think, rather, that the US has relatively little interest one way or the other in the formation of a Palestinian state. It is only because we have bankrolled Israel and provided political shelter for her in the UN that we are involved at all with the Palestinian question, and I have never seen a good explanation of why its serves our interests so thoroughly to support Israel in all that she does.

Ya think?

Poor, poor Palestinian Arabs. They have only rejected a state 4 times in the last 70 years. It is clear that they only want one devoid of Jews. As for Mr. Kuttab's piece, this tripe is only published because of a politically correct venue. Israel will continue to have the full support of the vast majority of Americans and the "Palestinians" will continue to live in perpetual self-imposed naqba.

Mr. Kuttab is absolutely right in his argument. The mere criticism of Israel by our politicians in enough to ruin your political career. Professors are scared to death teaching American students the real and objective view of ills the Israel has committed against the Palestinians: denying them the right of freedom, and keeping them in a giant concentration camp. No other people in the world have been subjected to such cruelty except Jews in fascist Germany and their sphere of influence in 1930s and 40s.
The mere criticism of what the Israel is doing to this poor people is enough to label you as anti-semitic but in reality, Arabs are semitic too. This is not just applicable to Jews.
Americans need to see the things through their own lens and not a foggy one that Israel thrust on us. If we do, we will see that every action has a reaction. Israel's behavior is responsible for what is going on Middle East today. They know that the UN will never do anything because America will veto any resolution condemning their inhumane treatment of Palestinians. On top of that, they are guaranteed a good chunk of our taxpayers money. Every politician that goes to Washington almost always become a big fan of what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. They don't visit West Bank and Gaza to see for themselves what is going on nor do they ask ordinary Palestinians what their daily live is like. It is a pure hell there because these people have been reduced to sub-human treatment by Israel's police and IDF. How long should we continue to support this cruelty?!

Great post, the subject is rarely visited. The subject is alway met with an attitude of how dare you. The truth of the matter any politician can end his career if he does not support Israel and Israeli policies in America.

Does the Israel lobby have too much influence over U.S. decisions?

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Thank You for the column.

But the fact that everybody knows is this:

Israel doesn't want peace with Palestine. ISRAEL WANTS PALESTINE.

And grabbed another 23,000 square acres last month. With not a peep from the US MSM.

If Americans knew the degree to which Israel first types now control this country there'd be a
rebellion.

In addition to this post, read the comments on the odious Saul Singer's column today in this Post Global section. People getting furious.

Time to face facts: The American PEOPLE support Israel- and have CONSISTENTLY from 1948.

In EVERY poll; Pew, Gallup, Zogby, and on and on.

It isn't just the "elites", it isn't just the Republicans- or the Democrats, it isn't just the "right-wing Christians".

It's America.

The Arabs cast their lots with the Soviet Union. Many of them had cast theirs beforehand with Nazi Germany (including the leader of the would-have-been "Palestinians", Haj Amin al-Husseini, who was a close ally of Hitler). At the same time, Israel chose to ally itself with those with whom WE have more in common, including the United States.

By the way, look at JINSA's board and scroll through the members:

http://www.jinsa.org/about/adboard/adboard.html

General after general, admiral after admiral. Supporting Israel. Remarkable.

Like it or not, it isn't a "top-down" type of support. That's how it works in the Arab/Muslim world with their kings, dictators, and emirs.

It's widespread American support- across the board, and American policy simply flows out of this.

They would have had a state in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.

They would have had a state in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).

They could have had a state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and thre PLO (1964).

They could have had a state after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:

A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel

They would have had a state in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.

No more. They won't have a state here, and if they don't stop their violence, they won't even exist here anymore. They will have to go to their own land; Jordan.

And you can take that to the bank- the EAST Bank.

Jaysonrex said:
There is one question that demands an honest answer: "Who wants to have Palestinians (or Muslims, in general) as their next door neighbors?"

Well, why the heck did Israel move into the neighborhood if they didn't like the neighbors? Oh, right, the Book of Fuzzy Logic handed down by the Grand Master Mosiochipus told them thousands of years ago and in a land far away that they were entitled to the property.

The rest of the world is in the twenty-first century, people; why is the Mideast still living in the Roman Era? Grow up and stop the killing over what is essentially a real estate dispute on steroids.

There is one question that demands an honest answer: "Who wants to have Palestinians (or Muslims, in general) as their next door neighbors?"

The sad answer is short and bitter: "No one!" In fact, humiliating as it might be, not even Palestinians or Muslims would want to - if they could avoid it.

Everybody talks about "human rights". Fine. But why nobody ever mentions duties and obligations - for themselves, not for their opponents?

Arab Muslims were living in the Jordan region for quite sometime. Their claim to the land is, of course, valid. Nevertheless, it is overshadowed by the Jewish claim that the Kingdom of Israel was first destroyed by Rome and then overran by Arabs who, with the advent of Islam, forced them to abandon their homeland - under pain of forced conversion or death.

But all this, today, is redundant. Palestinians should look to the future, not to the past, and focus on their own progress. They should take good care of their people and put an immediate end to mutual slaughter - Hamas against Fatah against God knows who else. A responsible and constructive society would inspire considerable confidence, there is no doubt about that.

Considering the help Palestinians get from their (so very rich) Muslim brothers, it would be by far safer and smarter to relay on the help of Israel and the Western society for the progress and happiness of their people.

Ari

Please visit Saudi Arabia.

Non-Muslims are not allowed into Mecca and Medina and there are roads leading to these cities with signs" Muslims only",

That is true apartjeid.

America has been blinded by its leaders for generations, long before AIPAC was born...

The imperialist policies of the U.S. have been there long before Israel or Saul Singer was born. Relating to the natural resources of the world as if these "naturally" belong to American companies is a gift of Lucifer/Satan/Mefisto/Devil/Diablo/Hell/---that malignant spirit which prefers possession to morals.

AIPAC only re-enforces the disease for its imaginary benefit. But the viruses will hit their makers. The only unanswered question is when.

A Palestinian State is not only in the national interest of the United States; it is also in the interest of a PEACEFUL ISRAEL STATE - the Israel that AIPAC fights against!

The Jew-Muslim conflict has its its genesis in the holocaust perpetrated by the founder of Islam on the Jews of Arabia. Jews in Arabia were a significant part of the population of Arabia and were rich incomparison to the non-Jews. Jews had been in Arabia at leat as long as the Arabs and there were Jewish kingdoms in the peninsula. The Jews earned their living by farming, owned plantations and had beautiful women, enough to cause the envy of Muhammad. The Arabs, inclusing Muhammad earned their livelihood by banditry and by trading, Muhammad carried out 44 bandit raids after he proclaimed himself a prophet and made up charges of treason against the Jews.

He began attacking the Jews and murdering their adult males, defined as any Jew who had sprouted pubic hair, and then selling their widows and orphans into slavery except any female children who aroused his libido, example Rayhana and Saffiya. Muhammad finally expelled all Jews from Arabia before ruling that two religions cannot exist in Muslim lands and that is the main reason for the intolerance against Christians and Jews in Muslm lands. Palestine, Lebanon and other Muslim lands which had large Jewish populations are losing them.

Israel including Gaza and the West Bank have always been Jewish lands and it is only right that Muslims vacate the lands and merge with Muslim populations in JOrdan, Syria etc.

Israel tried to give the Arabs a decent living but in their hatred for anybody non-Muslim , the Muslims did not sieze upon this opportunity and instead remained commited to violence.

Israeli manipulation in the US economy and politics and her military capability is way overestimated. Both Israel and her opponents retain interest in disseminating such propagandas. Israel’s major interest is alarming her Arab neighbors. And as for her opponents, they want to portray Israel offensive.

A two-state solution is the only viable alternative. Both sides equally must be willing to make some territorial compromises in order to reach a tangible conclusion. Also foreign interference should totally be cutoff. Peace for all.

A couple people above note that Israeli-Arabs have life great, and Tom writes, "Israel and the USA are democratic nations with elected representatives and many, many national goals in common."

This is simply not true. Israel is not a democracy, and Israeli-Arabs do not have the same rights as Jewish Israelis. Israel does not have a constitution. Arab citizens of Israel cannot marry an Arab who is not a citizen and then bring their own spouse to live with them. BUT any Jewish citizen of Israel could marry anyone they like and bring their spouse to live with them.

Furthermore, calling "apartheid" empty rhetoric is nonsense. The word means "apartness" and that is precisely Israel's stated goal. I have seen roads with my own eyes where one side of the road is designated Jewish only. That is "apartheid," and anyone who says that it is not is ignorant of the facts.

I commend you Mr. Kuttab although I do not agree with you. The Israeli lobby is strong and influential, but it is not all-powerful. It is not unified. It is quite fragmented. Furthermore, it does not have 1/10th the power of the Cuba lobby. That's a lobby that really hijacks American foreign policy. If the Israeli lobby were as powerful as the Cuba lobby, there'd be no talk of a Palestinian state. The Lebanon lobby was successful in pushing the USA to stand up to Syria. The oil lobby influences our Middle East policy. Saudi Arabia's lobby has the president's ear. This is how the US works. The Israel lobby may be well organized and may be powerful, but the US is a pluralist state, not a corporatist one. There is no centralization of interest groups. Therefore, in the US, it is a free-for-all. Interest groups contest against one another. Palestinians and Arabs have their own interest groups, which work assiduously for their causes. This is just the system.

You are clearly a man educated in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. You clearly know its complexity and are a man of peace. I enjoyed reading your posting, unlike the Iranian gentleman who only seeks to spread hatred. I liked your earlier posting a few months back on the right of return.

Today, Hamas opened fire on a group of Fatah protestors, killing many. Kuttab likes to imply that the constant violence is somehow the fault of the Israeli's, and moans everytime a Hamas terrorist is targeted by Israel. Meanwhile, the Palestinian on Palestinian violence dwarfs the Palestinian/Israel conflict and he doesn't utter a word. Perhaps his agenda is not to strive for peace, but merely to bash Israel?

Fatah was founded with the goal clearly stated in their charter of "the destruction of Israel". Hamas is similar. With whom should the Israeli's negotiate? Who would run the new state?

The Israeli's would love to be able to just go about their lives and love their children. The Palestinians intolerance and lack of respect for life permeates everything they do. Truly sad.

The horror of the Holocaust was so strong to the Jews that they seem to have an enormously hightened sensitivity to any threat. The crude anti Semitism of some Arab leaders feeds this. But still reacting to the Holocaust 60+ years later, instead of dealing with the reality of their situation, is normal but it serves at this point to hurt and not help them. Jewish children are naturally taught "never again", and this is as it should be. But Jews, an oppressed people, somehow cant see that they are oppressing the Palestinians. They are just in denial. As we say in West Point, they are fighting the last war, not the one they are in now. The Palestinians will never be content in some small pieces of land in the West Bank that are divided by roads they cant travel on or even cross, with their homes bulldozed and their orchards paved over. World public opinion has long ago turned against them.

So it is only this lobby that allows America to send them billions and support this unreal world they live in. The lobby is critical to them, and it hurts Israelis, Palestinians and Americans alike.

America must help Israel to be safe, but beyond that it must do what is in its own national interest. Manipulating us to do things not in our national interest will not work in the long run, and lead to an enormous feeling of betrayal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=423126&in_page_id=1770

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