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A PEDESTRIAN VIEW©2005
State Of Our Nation©2005
ASSASSINATION OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA’S GOVERNMENT BY ITS OWN PRESENT ADMINISTRATIVE HANDS!!!

STOP THE MADNESS!!! BRING THIS BUSH ADMINISTRATION TO ITS KNEES. THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF OUR COUNTRY IS ABOUT TO GIVE OVER CONTROL OF OUR U.S. PORTS TO A TERRORIST FUNDING NATION, THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES. OUR GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE STOPPED FROM DOING THIS, WHAT ABOUT THE AGAINST DOING BUSINESS WITH A TERRORIST AGENCY OR AGENT? HOW ABOUT, PUTTING OUR COUNTRY IN ‘EMINENT’ DANGER? FURTHERMORE, OUR PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE HIS ‘VETO’ POWER REMOVED IMMEDIATELY. HIS USE OF IT IS DETERMENTAL TO OUR COUNTRY AND CITIZENS. DO THIS, LIKE RIGHT NOW. MAKE IT RETROACTIVE, DO SOMETHING, NOW, PLEASE. REMEMBER, THIS IS THE UNITED STATES, NOT THE WORLD STATES. LET CONGRESS KNOW AND HEAR YOUR VOICES. ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH TURNING OVER USA PORTS, SHOULD BE AND WILL BE RECALLED. WE NEED TO FIRE HOMELAND SECURITY HEAD, MIKE CHARTOFF. HE AGREES WITH THE PRESIDENT TO TURN OVER OUR PORTS… THIS IS HIGH TREASON, PUNISHABLE BY SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES THAT SHOULD INCLUDE DEATH, LET CHARTOFF KNOW THIS! CITIZENS OF AMERICA, UNITE AND REVOLT AGAINST THIS BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND ITS SELFISH WAYS AND IDEAS. I CALL ON THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING, AND HAVE THEIR TAX CONTRIBUTIONS MISUSED AND DIVERTED FROM ANY OR ALL USA PROGRAMS. I WOULD DEEPLY LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT YOU REVISE YOUR W-4 DEPENDENTS EXEMPTIONS FORMS, TO INCLUDE BEING ‘EXEMPT’ FROM HAVING ANY FEDERAL TAXES DEDUCTED FROM YOUR WAGES. THIS WILL GIVE THE GOVERNMENT OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY A SERIOUS WAKE-UP CALL, THIS GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING HARD AND LOOSE WITH OUR COUNTRY’S MONEY. THE SPENDING STOPS HERE, UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE AND THE GOVERNMENT AS IT IS, BE THOROUGHLY AUDITED TO VERIFY EXPENDITURES AND ALLOCATION OF FUNDS. CITIZENS OF AMERICA GO FOR IT. GO FORWARD AND CLAIM THOSE MONIES THAT BELONG TO YOU THAT SHOULD BE SPENT ON PROGRAMS FOR PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY. MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD. THIS MADNESS CANNOT CONTINUE. LET’S GO TO WAR AND WIN BACK OUR COUNTRY, FROM OUR OWN ‘TERRORISTS WITHIN’ CELLS.

HERE WE GO WITH PROGRESS NOTES? NOT!!

So, President Bush says he’s nice. Why nice? He claims that the American people want him to be nice. WRONG! We want a president that has a sense of himself and his responsibility to the people of this great nation. This Bush family is an embarrassment. The poster family for substance abuse. With the Bush family it’s genetic. The generations we are dealing with were predisposed to alcoholism, and drug abuses, et al.. What’s up with our executive branch? USA’s, Executive Branch, suffering and having personal and political meltdowns. Citizens of America, we must put a stop to this situation right now!!

TEAM BUSH

Team ‘W’: Presidential twins, Barbara and Jenna Bush a/k/a Frank and Jessy James. Let’s see, they went to a Texas liquor store and while one stood outside playing look-out in front of the store, the other one went in with false identification to purchase some Vodka. Incredible! Did they forget their father is the President of the United States of America; which Texas is a part of? Or, were they striking back against his alcoholism and their bad treatment by him? The girls are still partying hard. So hard, the security detail assigned to them, has now been reduced to wearing hip-hop outfits, instead of assigned clothing, just to fit in as a member of the twins’ posse.

Team Jeb; let’s see, all the kids are alcoholics. George and sister Noel have a passion for cocaine and crack, Noel also has an addiction to prescription pain killers and she is good at fraud; writing her own scripts. But, I think that drugs, fraud, etc. runs in the family. Let’s not forget the younger one, what’s his name, who was arrested for DWI, couple of weeks ago.

Team Neal – please don’t tell me, was he the one involved in the savings bank and loan debacle? If so, how was he punished? No/Low morals: while in Thailand, Neal had no idea why women were jumping in and out of his bed! What? Did he really think they were part of the national gymnastic team? Claims he did not know they were prostitutes. Whoa! Also, left his wife and mother of his children, including daughter, Lauren the model, for a women closer to Lauren’s age, and who has a son of questionable lineage.. Just asking? What a family. Stay tuned, this can only get better.

Cheney and Group:

What physician would recommend that VP Cheney have a beer along with the heart medication he is prescribed, and then, allow Cheney to go duck hunting, or any other kind of hunting for that matter? Cheney cannot be believed, he claims it was the property owners’ responsibility to report the shooting to the authority. Suppose the owner was on vacation? Do we wait until they return to report the shooting/crime? What? What happened to due course or due process? First, this accident should have been reported via 911. From the pictures showing the victim’s injury, he had to be facing the VP when he was shot. Did the alcohol impair Cheney’s sight? What else is going on here? The suggestion here is, you can shot somebody and not report it to the proper authorities for another 24-48 hours. Accident or not, this is not the example this administration should be setting for our younger generation. These young people are challenged enough just for being American. Please, let’s be more careful and respectful to our younger people. Remember, these young people did not request to be born in this country. That was the parents call. We must all be reminded to watch the way we deal with others. Family members have a tendency to ‘mimic’ behaviors of the people around them. So, just be careful. You too, Mr. Vice President. Just asking, was Whittington liberal about gay rights? This is a sore spot with Cheney, seemingly forever to be doomed with the idea, he created a queer person. Hello Cheney. Get over it! Move on, already. This scene has become tired and old. Please note: this too will pass.

With regard to our economy, how the president was able to completely turn a greater than great surplus, left by President Bubba Clinton, into a huge national deficit is beyond rightful thinking/rationale. By the way, do not compare the last 2 presidents. Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar. Unlike Bush, who got into Yale with a c minus grade average. What’s up with that?. It’s called a legacy (former family graduates make it possible), I also heard somewhere that W got in using a hardship case. I’d say it was hard. The man is academically challenged. C- average, obviously math and number crunching is not his strong suit. By the way, what is this penchant the president has with ladies shoes and feet. Remember. Condi can get the job done in her stilettos, and Harriet, will get the job done with her perfect size 6 feet! What is going on here?. How warm was that relationship the Texas newspaper claims the president had with Harriet? Does Laura know about this? When hiring personnel, where is it noted, what their shoe size is? And, why? Do they wear some kind of business casual uniform that would require them to list their shoe size? If the president spent the same amount of time and energy that he does with women’s feet and shoes, our nation, our country could be in better shape.

Now about my view. The Iraq war is badly fought. We need to have the mercenary militant’s militia in our country go out and do what they best, which is, search and destroy. Then our troops come in for mop up. The insurgents can be dealt with swiftly and deliberately. Take no prisoners, and whatever you do, did not have Haliburton do another damn no-bid contract. Where did you get the audacity to give this company, whose past president was Cheney. They have been accused of defrauding their and our government. Yet, we continue to do business with them. About the defense budget. This is so out of whack, it’s embarrassing. First, let’s bring us up to date with what weapons are really necessary. We are not fighting a cold war, so let’s get rid of those stealth cold war fighter jets. Develop research think tanks comprised of good American minds that their sole purpose is to better the country and its citizen with products and services made in our country. The people are here. Where are our resources? Our leaders need to pay attention to the Americans who are starving, and need real assistance. Foreigners are given benefits that some American are not entitled to. Why is this happening? Why should the USA provide for the world, when their own citizens go needing? The message that is being sent is that our country extends the hands of kindness to the world, yet, the USA takes back that hand when it comes to their own. This must stop. We are not going to have another revolution about taxation without representation. We can vote this president’s butt right out of here. Speak up! Let this president know what you really feel. What’s wrong with charging back the other nations, who have dual citizenship or became neutralized in our country with allowing their countrymen collect social security in this country. I thought, you had to contribute to social security system to participate in the program. These outsiders have not worked here and made any contribution to our economy. We are in a deficit in these times, due to bad management and application of fair trade commitments. If their citizens are getting benefits from our count: The other nation should be billed monthly with the expense of USA granting benefits to their citizens. Listen up, this is called a system of checks and balances. Mr. President, considering your lack of education and not being able to focus properly, by the way being that you are still in recovery does your problem seem to be getting in the way? This would not surprise me. Lately, you have been looking a bit flushed in the face. You know that it is sometimes an indication that things have fallen off their routine. Just making an observation.

Now about that prescription benefit plan. Guess what? It doesn’t work. When you use the card, and you have another Medicare prescription plan, you will have to make the decision to choose which plan is better, co-pay with HMO or the formulary cost of medicines charged at 50% when you use the card. Where is all of this help we are supposed to be getting Just where is it?. Under no circumstance can you use both plans together. Have a Medicare prescription plan- cannot use the card!

State of Professional Sports

Listen up. You professionals need to take better care of yourselves. Stop this namby-pamby nonsense of not being able to play while you are slightly, and I mean slightly injured. Team Management should build into the players’ contract, penalties for not playing least at par level when they were signing up with the team, they would be penalized with salary reducing points. There should also be an adjustment in pay, when the player is off the field. It doesn’t make sense, why pay them for not playing and having them get paid full salary. Maybe you should have a medical sick-pay plan. What the customers don’t need is another price hike in ticket price for a team that has not proven themselves. Teams who do not take the public into consideration when they are making these stupid, outrageous contracts, should bare the wrath when the customers are unhappy with the team. The fans should be able to protest bad plays, players, management and off field behavior.

Enough said!

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Earlier comments made the point that two wrongs don't make a right.
The two wrongs are Christianity and Islam.
Not only do they not make a right,they make for endless disagreement,and endless war.

Don't blame Islam.Blame religion.

Because of religion,there's no chance that rationality can influence the outcome of the Iraq disaster,or the turmoil throughout the middle east and the rest of the world.
Religion also makes Bush even wackier than he otherwise would be;just as wacky as the Muslim
clerics.
We are living in superstitious times more reminiscent of the dark ages than the enlightened 21st century.
Be afraid.Be very afraid.
We are doomed,and there's nothing we can do about it.

As an American, I was taught to be Tolerant of other's who are so intolerant about my ability to spell tolerance! I only tolerate the intolerance to demonstrate that it does not kill anyone!

Now, if only everyone would help the Iraqis to get the word right!

BTW-Islam is currently engaged in armed conflict with every major Religion and Philosophy on the planet, including themselves!

Sort of reminds me of Cancer for some reason!

So, Sam, since no one paid attention to your anti-Israel ranting when you wrote it the first time, you decided to write it again in all caps to try and get more attention? How about we go with this one: Muslims have been killing each other over their ethnic backgrounds and differences in their interpretations of Islam for over a thousnad years. Is that Israel's fault?

LET'S NOT FOOL OURSELVES AND TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE REAL CAUSE OF ALL THIS HAVOC IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN THE WHOLE WORLD.IT'S THE CREATION OF THE ILLEGAL STATE OF ISRAEL ON THE RUINS OF PALESTINE.THIS IS THE STEM CELL THAT HAS BEEN BREEDING ALL CHAOS AND TERROR WORLDWIDE.UNLESS THIS ISSUE IS HANDLED ADEQUATELY AND ALL PALESTINIAN REFUGEES RETURN HOME,WE WILL BE FOOLING OURSELVES AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT INVISIBLE GHOSTS THAT WE CALL TERRORISTS.

Mr. Goth writes another thought-provoking article. It is clear that he fears Islamist terrorism and its spread.

His political fears of a U.S. troop withdrawal, which would provide positive reinforcement to Al Qaeda, are unfounded.

Why unfounded? What will ensure a continued presence of our U.S. troops, and more loss of our soldiers' lives and national treasure, are the vast oil reserves of Iraq, particularly the unproven, but but estimated large reserves in Northern Iraq. I doubt that the leaders of our country are going to let Iran or China have a say in the development of those oil fields and the production and export of Iraqi oil products. We do not want Iran to help set oil prices and we vigorously fought off the CNOOC bid to take over Unocal. Furthermore, the export-policy antics of Mr. Chavez and the declining oil production of Saudi Arabia are further reinforcement not to let Iraqi oil fall under the control of others.

I do not think that this war was initiated because of oil. Oil was cheap and plentiful in the nineties and through March 2003. However, oil will keep us in Iraq until the marginal wholesale prices of oil drop due to conservation, greater hydrocarbon-energy efficiency, and hopefully alternative energy sources. Unfortunately, there is no governmental partner to promote any private initiative. Therefore, the 18-point benchmark marks the progress, or lack thereof, in creating a U.S. friendly Iraq. However, I respectfully believe that it is naive to think that benchmark failures will result in the return of our sons and daughters from Iraq.

Best regards to you all.

Truly thou art great, O wise one. Wantest thou thy Kool-Aid now?

"Iraq’s invasion was wrong but it is also wrong that America turn its back on the Frankenstein it has created. "

frankenstein, yes; but america its creator, no. what has created the horror that is iraq, indeed most of the middle east, is islam.

as no less of an authority than Osama rightly says, islam is a celebration of death. he might have added as well, of intolerance and hatred. islam is the embodiment of the evil that lurks in every human heart, and gives this hatred the very legitimacy which the world's great religions try so fervently to deny. it is this heinous aspect of islam, that it legitimizes jihad on the unbeliever or indeed on the islamic apostate however so defined, that makes it an unacceptable companion in the bobbing liferaft that the world has become.

it is a matter of time only before the world puts on hold its many divisions and unites in a crusade to stamp out the islamic threat. regretably for islamicists, a savage cult that could once be safely practiced shielded by great distance from the centers of civilization now finds itself in the very face of progress, much as wild animals in the jungle are encroached by development.

islam's fate must be sealed. in the granting of the misguided moslem martyr his wish, the 6000 year march of civilization is continued, allowing yet another generation to share in its bounty.

in time islam and its adherents will be as forgotten as the Hun and his pagan gods are today.

Idiot! And that's not actually what Congress voted. They voted to obstruct an otherwise majority vote to withdraw. God, the MSM sucks.

Where DID they find Frank Collins, anyway? How many rocks did they have to turn over to find one that dumb and obnoxious? And persistent? As Stanley Hoffman, a distinguished senior Professor of International Relations at Harvard put it, Americans seem to believe that foreigners are merely "misguided Americans," rather than having their own values and cultural systems. If we just make it possible for them to drive the kids to the mall in the SUV on Sundays, there will be no fights....

france!

germany, italy, japan were evil but they changed and became peaceful.
islam is still the same vile and evil force of death it was when moho the rapist faked the religion 1400 years ago.

"And, when the loss of control is to at least THREE different Parties that cannot spell the word "Tollerance", THEY, the People, have BIG problems!"

Hear, hear! It's spelled "TOLERANCE," you stupid dolt!

"Would you like living dream of a Caliphate..as only the Iranian leaders can bring it to you?" That comment betrays even an elementary understanding of Islamic politics....

USA cannot just walk away like a slick used car salesman.

It walked away from Afghanistan after the Russians were defeated. Leaving the mess that created the Talibans and Bin Ladin.

Muslims are not like Germans or Japanese.
They have a culture based strongly on religion.
To them Islam is not a part time thing.
To be a Muslim is a full time job.
You will not understand.
Let me give you a solution.
This is based on what the great British Empire had achieved.
Divide Iraq.
Not by saying you are doing so. The way you say is
this: The great Chief of Tribe A will be the ruler of Baghdad. The great Chief of Tribe B will be the ruler of Basra. The great Chief of Tribe C will be the ruler of Kirkuk.
Then you give all your support to them.
In other words you creat 3 Saddams.
The new Saddam will come to the Mosque and say "I see heads ripe for picking" (Hajjaj bin Yousuf Governor of Basra 710).
The suicide bombers will disappear in 3 minutes.
In 3 years Chief A will announce that Chief B and C died in their sleep.
And his son who is also the son-in-law of chief B will take over area Basra and his son-in-law will take over Kirkuk.
Muslims are ruled by personalities not congress or parliments.

japan and italy were also allies of the nazi's.... i don't see anyone calling them evil enemies nowadays...

last i remembered we are also pretty good friends with germany now..

but somehow we are still holding it against "islam" (as if it were a country)?

c'mon. can we all get past this world war ii thing. if i hear hitler, nazi, facism (a la islamofacism) one more time...

it's like yes we were great back then, we did a good thing, but how many of us like that guy who always likes to remind you of stuff he did for you a long time ago.

last i heard it was the year 2007

Bahir, you are moralizing to the wrong people. Look in the mirror and all you will see are the slothful and cowardly inhabitants of the Middle East who have chosen to sit by idly while Bush's horror show unraveled and intensified. Don't look down your browned Somalian nose at me while you, your people and the entire region encamp in your comfortable holes while Americans die for no reason. You are a fool to continue promoting your own variation of Bush's American objective by supporting the continuance of some unarticulated portion of his strategic and tactical plans. The first, concrete step to straightening Iraq is to mobilize yourself and your lazy, brown skinned compatriots into action. Until then, please shove your moralizing tone and digest your own appeals.

Hey, Rat; you can't spell it, either. Tolerance has only one "l".

Still, so what? You don't need to be an English professor to have a lucrative career in professional sports, so good luck with that.

Anyway, trying to get back on to the topic - recent "war games" simulations conducted by retired Marine Colonel Gary Anderson for the Defense Department, and reported in this paper only 2 days ago, suggest that a withdrawal of coalition forces is not likely to make much difference. While acknowledging it would still result in an ugly situation, he assessed conditions following a withdrawal "would not be apocalyptic". Similarly, the author of this piece contends that leaving Iraq would result in it being taken over by Al Qaeda. Seriously, that's like suggesting that withdrawing Social Security would allow retirees to take over America. The White House's own analysts have concluded Al Qaeda in Iraq (if such a group really exists) forms only about 5% of the insurgency. There simply aren't enough of them, nor is their cause so popular, that they would be able to even take over Baghdad. Besides, in case nobody has noticed, terrorist groups do not replace governments, restore infrastructure and settle down to run the country. If they did, they'd be too tired for terrorism.

Finally, and most conclusively, the people who are insisting a military withdrawal by U.S. forces would result in an out-of-control bloodbath are the same people who have been dead wrong about everything for the last 6 years. What would make you think they were right about this?

Twice THE Approval of Congress!

Your welcome!

I did not really want the Job. Talk about a Thankless one! Bushie has Twice to approval of Congress, and HE catches all the criticism!

So, I can't be too quick to condemn the Iraqi's for not seeing through all the Spin their people are putting out! BUT, I can get really mad at the idiots here!

The Point I was attempting to make was that when People are subjected to Religious Interference in the Government, THEY have LOST any control over the Government! And, when the loss of control is to at least THREE different Parties that cannot spell the word "Tollerance", THEY, the People, have BIG problems!

Pope's changed his mind! He now wants RAT to be the highest paid and shortest BasketBall Player in the league!

Amen!

We cant fix Iraq. We are a big part of the problem for occupying their country and getting our people out of Iraq could be the only fix that works.

While the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. I would like to see our government and the political leaders behind it mention and support more international affairs. Problems like global poverty are affecting each and every one of us on a daily basis. We should not forget the commitment the U.S. made towards the U.N. Millennium Goals (a pact of ending extreme world hunger by the year 2025) in 2000. According to The Borgen Project, an annual $19 billion dollars is needed to end world hunger by the year 2025. To my sense, it is almost unacceptable to have spent so far more than $340 billion in Iraq only, when we have more than war immunities to change the world and eliminate poverty.

Hey, Frank; answer this one for us - if Christianity is the religion of peace, what predominantly Christian nation sold weapons to both sides in the Iran-Iraq war, as well as anthrax to Iraq? I'll give you a hint: its national flag is red, white and blue and it isn't Russia, the Netherlands or France.

...and Rat, that's "facetious". And there's no apostrophe after "says"; it isn't a contraction. But it was funny.

I don't remember saying anything about Islam, and on examining my remarks, could not find the word anywhere! I believe I was critiquing the notion that the Middle East was uncivilized, and that Doctor America had just the prescription to fix it. Just because a society doesn't have all the trappings of a progressive Western counterpart, such as domestic spying, Carl's Jr. and bowling alleys doesn't mean it is uncivilized or ungovernable.

When as many people have been killed in the name of Islam as have been killed in the name of Christianity, we can talk bloodthirsty. And no, I'm not a Muslim.

As for theocracies, be careful what you wish for. The United States is well on its way to becoming one.

ok islamics answer this one for us.
if islam is the religion of peace why did you side with germany in ww1 and murder 1.8 million christian armenians
and then in ww2 you sided with the nazi's and got your own ss divisions?

Uh, Mark. Mesopotamia did not have Islam! The Ottoman Empire that dominated the Region for 400 years did! And Brutally!

Folks, you just don't have any memories AT ALL!

Al-Sistani and al-Sadr, with Iran's support and FUNDING! pulled some real Chicken Shi'ite right after the Liberation. 5 Times a Day, Everyday. From their Pulpits! Sadr City was the source of all hostilties, until the Sunni re-inforced insurgency against the US Led-by-the-nose support of the insane Shia power grab, began to gather up it's resistance to Tehran's Shi'ite!

How can anyone pray to "Holy Men" with BLOOD splattered all over them and on their hands! The ReligioPolitical Nightmare in Iraq, is the Problem.

It is also a blessing. It shows the entire World exactly why Theocracies should be destroyed!

Either that, or let's all get Medieval and rally around the Pope!

The Pope say's vote for RAT, or you go to Hell!
(Facitious comment meant to deliver a point!)

again the islamics refuse to answer for its death cult.

The NIE summary says it all. Bush is a grossly inept president who has been spewing Orwellian treated effluent over the body politic for the last six years. He has shown no respect or regard for the constitution or the future generations of this country who will be saddled with enormous "debt by misadventure" and a supreme court with blatant political motives.

AND we are NO safer due to his efforts. The Iraq war resurrected OBL and created a perfect terrorist recruiting environment. I'd like to thank the red states.

You go, God!!! Thanks for squaring off that Kevin guy, he has issues that are better kept between the two of you. However, he did (again) bring up an interesting point - the suggestion that Middle Eastern people are "ungovernable".

This is breathtakingly presumptuous, arrogant and - dare I say - cheeky. Mesopotamia was a functioning civilisation and exporter of culture when there was nothing in North America but trees, beavers and Indians (by which I mean aboriginal people, not natives of India). The suggestion that some midwestern mouth-breather knows anything about culture or governance is, well, pretty funny. But in a rude kind of way.

Agreed, the Middle East does not govern itself quite the same way as California, although parts of it might have had an Austrian in charge from time to time. The Middle East remains a popular target for an enforced makeover, however, because it contains a lot of smaller countries that Western democracies such as Britain and the United States think they could actually beat in a war. China doesn't govern itself like America does either - but you don't see the Coalition of the Willing invading China.

Anyway, thanks for listening, and hey! thanks for helping the Blue Jays whup the Yankees!

Mr. Goth,

You have it exactly right. The only thing that you haven't considered is whether the U.S. Government, especially under the leadership of this administration, is competent to do what needs to be done in Iraq. Bush finally has a thin layer of decent people in charge (Gates and Petraeus notably), but the U.S. military as a whole is not trained to fight an insurgency in an Arabic-speaking, Islamic country, and there are still a lot of Cheney-Rumsfeld clowns in the midranking positions at State, DOD, etc. The jury is still out on whether we can get it together to accomplish anything over there.

Also, I apologize for some of the anti-Islamic comments on this site. They do not represent the judgment of most Americans.

Mr. Goth,

You have it exactly right. The only thing that you haven't considered is whether the U.S. Government, especially under the leadership of this administration, is competent to do what needs to be done in Iraq. Bush finally has a thin layer of decent people in charge (Gates and Petraeus notably), but the U.S. military as a whole is not trained to fight an insurgency in an Arabic-speaking, Islamic country, and there are still a lot of Cheney-Rumsfeld clowns in the midranking positions at State, DOD, etc. The jury is still out on whether we can get it together to accomplish anything over there.

Also, I apologize for some of the anti-Islamic comments on this site. They do not represent the judgment of most Americans.

"I tell you Rick I am shocked, SHOCKED! that there is gambling in this establishment"

Politicians lied? I am shocked.

Politicians lie. They just don't call it that, it's against the rules of both the Senate and the House. Dems and republicans, liberal and conservative they lie. Do whatever and say whatever is necessary to secure your active base and point fingers at the other guy until the rest of the eletorate decides it's time for a change. It doesn't matter what we change to, just change it.

Right now it's Bush's fault. The dems have been screaming Blame Bush for six years and it will continue for a couple more. The hyperbole gets pretty shrill at times though.

I am trying to figure out how the Bush administration actually outsourced jobs. I could have sworn that outsourcing has been going on for decades and that those decisions were made by the corporations that sent the jobs overseas. Sometimes to escape taxes and reduce costs, sometimes to take advantage of incentives opened by free trade agreements. This sucks for the guy who lost his job but his neighbor can afford that 50" plasma TV. Of course that 401k that you have wouldn't be quite as plump if they hadn't.

Energy companies having a say in Energy policy? I think it would have been much more effective to let the enviromentalist lobby do it. After all, that would continue to insure that no refineries are built, no real development of safe nuclear power can proceed and we can continue to be held hostage to Middle East oil while failing to locate and make use of the oil right here. Of course Cuba is only 90 miles away let them drill and Chavez can help them refine it. Serves us right we were mean to Castro.

Tried to sabotage Social Security. Democrats plundered it years ago stuffing the trust fund with iou's to fund failed social experiments. Do you really believe it will be there when you retire? Do you think it will give you any kind of rate of return against what you invested? Is there a thinking person who truly believes that it can continue without some combination of increased retirement age, cut in benefits or privatization?

Gee Bush fired prosecutors that serve at the pleasure of the President and for politcal reasons. I hate to break this to you but that is why they serve at the "pleasure" of the President, if he isn't pleased he has the RIGHT to fire you just like your boss. But let's spend hundreds of thousands of dollars holding pointless hearings to make sure there everyone who hates Bush can be "shocked SHOCKED that politics is happening in Washington.

Yeah Bush messed everything up.

Of course the Democrats have done NOTHING to step up to the plate. Even now their strategy in the war on terror is directed at how they can get more power.

Do they have a plan? Yeah, lets get out the polls show it's what Americans want, god knows we spent alot of money making sure the polls said exactly that.

Lets wring our hands over a potential suicide bomber being deprived of sleep while innocents die and call the men and women who are doing what they wer asked to do, fight a war, murderers.

Lets tell elderly americans that doing what is necessary to fix social security will mean the end of their benefits, and will destroy a dying system set to bankrupt the govt. We'll raise taxes but only on the rich and corporations you know they don't derserve their profits they didn't actually work for it. Don't worry, the additional taxes won't passed on to you by higher prices and lower productivity.

But that's okay we know it's all Bush's fault. He's EVIL!

It's not Bush's fault. It's OURS because we allow it.

Kevin ... this is God ... yes you're western Christian God.

would you do me a favor and not use me to make your arguments for you? Just because you are an idiot doesn't mean you have to make me look like one too.

ummm... everyone else out there. I apologize... Yeah, i don't know what's up with this Kevin guy or some of these other people here who say stuff for me and about me...

It's not what I'm about...

Kevin ... this is God ... yes you're western Christian God.

would you do me a favor and not drag me into your thing. Just because you are an idiot doesn't mean you have to make me look like one.

ummm... everyone else out there. I apologize... Yeah, i don't know what's up with this Kevin guy or some of these other people here who say stuff for me and about me...

Dear Mr. Goth

You were right to say two wrongs don't make a right. The invasion was wrong. The occupation is also wrong. Ergo its past time to get out.

If we can't keep the lights on and there are increasing Iraqi deaths after 4 years of trying there is no reasonable argument that by staying on longer we are improving the situation.

Maybe if the current administration resignes admitting their incompetence your argument might hold some water, but there is little liklihood this will happen.

Moreover, the Iraqis don't want us there -- polls and vote of their congress -- by a wide margin. Its only the dilusional administration who wants us there, even as we violate international law by occupying a country that doesn't want us.

Dear Mr. Goth

You were right to say two wrongs don't make a right. The invasion was wrong. The occupation is also wrong. Ergo its past time to get out.

If we can't keep the lights on and there are increasing Iraqi deaths after 4 years of trying there is no reasonable argument that by staying on longer we are improving the situation.

Maybe if the current administration resignes admitting their incompetence your argument might hold some water, but there is little liklihood this will happen.

Moreover, the Iraqis don't want us there -- polls and vote of their congress -- by a wide margin. Its only the dilusional administration who wants us there, even as we violate international law by occupying a country that doesn't want us.

Thank goodness President Bush removed Saddam from power, and is pursuing al Qaeda all over the globe, including inside of Iraq. Unfortunately, history does tell us that people from the Middle East are more or less ungovernable and are easily manipulated by those people whose head towels are nicer than the rest of the folks. Middle Eastern men, because of their shame, brought on primarily by sexual frustration and inadequacy, economic ruin, failure after failure in war, and for the simple fact that their prophet, Mohammad, is a far cry from the true prophet, Jesus. But the Christian West will be patient with these ignorant and behind the times Middle Easterners. Besides, they all have a lot of oil, and we need it. Otherwise, we'd treat the Middle East like we treat Africa: who cares!

I was not really for the war to begin with, but now that we are there and have been as much of the cause for the situation there, it just seems wrong to leave.

Are we a country that does not take responsibility for its actions? Are we like that guy who gets a girl pregnant and says "tough luck your problem, not mine?"

I hope not.

I am FOR withdrawal if it actually makes the situation in Iraq better.

I am FOR withdrawal if the Iraqis really want us to leave.

I am NOT for withdrawal if it is simply because we don't want to deal with the problem anymore and are content to let the iraqis clean up the mess.

I am NOT for withdrawal just to spite Bush and the Republican party (i am not a republican). This question should not be decided by politics.

I say if a civil war is inevitable (and maybe it is), we do what we can to protect all of those people who will be caught in the middle.

But at the end of the day...

Who cares who is right and who is wrong? Who cares whether Christianity or Islam is better? Who cares whose fault it this all is? Does answering any of these questions help the situation?

It's like we are all in a sinking boat and spending all of our time arguing about why there is a hole in the boat, or trying to figure out who made the hole, or arguing about which is the best idea to fix the hole. Meanwhile the water continues in our boat continues to rise.

let's just put all of our issues aside and fix the frickin hole already!

notice that when facts are posted that show what a death cult islam really is, or how america has a history of preserving life and people all over the world, they just pretend it was not there.
that is a win for the good guys and a loss for islam.

It is inevitable that the government of the United States will eventually return to a foreign policy based on the pursuit of American interests -- not on the need of its President to avoid admission of his past mistakes, or on the needs of Arabs, and a minority of Arabs at that.

The United States will liquidate its commitment in Iraq. How soon this happens is up to Congress and the administration, but it will happen. People in the region will need to work out how to work for their own interests in that context. There is nothing that compels the various factions in Iraq to fall upon each other, murdering one another's civilians, once the American army leaves. If they insist on doing it anyway, America will regard this as their problem, not ours.

Mr. Goth,

With all due respect your article can be summed up by the tired phrase of Bush's camp, "stay the course"!! Kill more Iraqi people???????

For those who are singing the "stay the course" thing (destroy more lives), I hope your conscience will one day drive you to take your own lives.!!

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Gary said, in response to this quote :"Even now, President Bush would not admit defeat and the fact that this war is a disaster."

Gary: Do you want him to lie?
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Ha ha! Good one.
He and his admin have been lying for six years. Where the hell have you been?

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For what good reason?
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Let's see: (1) our servicepeople are dying because of Cheney's B.S. that started the war; (2) 6 to 10 thousand Iraqi civilians die EVERY MONTH - or, two to three times in a MONTH what we suffered once during 9-11 attacks. (3) The country's sick of wasting money on a Halliburton food fest and lies from the fascist Bushie camp (4) our Constitution is not being observed in some areas, not even respected, by the current dittoheads.

Damn. I'm just getting started.

You *are* talking about the current Iraqi war, right, Gary?

Sounds like the author is still a Saddam supporter. There was a Discovery channel special on life in Saddam's regime. Not pleasant. The Iraqi people are well rid of him. Even right after the war, we never heard of "insurgents" specifically fighting for him. The violence was always either (i) Islamists, i.e. Al Qaeda, especially from outside Iraq, (ii) Sunni-Shia violence and (iii) common criminality / tribal gangsterism since strong government collapsed. There was a fear after Saddam's hanging that a martyr might have been created, but so far, there are no signs of that.

JEFF:
why is quoting the koran slander of islam? yes what i quote shows that the commands in the koran are for hate, torture, murder, rape, slavery, etc, and their acts over the last 1400 year have followed those demands, but why is it slander? its what the god of islam demands.
ALDOUS:
islam has this fake god. an all knowing fake god. a fake islamic god that said the christian trinity is the father, son and mary. the christian trinity is the father, son and holy spirit.
only a fake god would not get that right. its not like it was a secret.

and as for the pace of success in iran, its doing great. its not a video game.

in america we had been running our own lives for about 100 years when we declared we were separate - 1776.
we had a war in which only 1/3 wanted to break away and 1/3 wanted to stay. the other 1/3 did not care. during that war americans attacked americans, including hanging them in their own front yards in front of the families, and even burned down entire towns. it was pretty bad.
then we got free and were stuck with the articles of confederation, - jefferson was our first president under them. they did not work and we had 13 separate countries in economic combat with each other.
then we got a constitution, which had to be drafted in secret, and even when it was published there was a horrible battle over it and it had to be amended almost immediately. that would be the 1st 10 amendments - we call it the bill of rights.
our first president - washington - did not take office until 1779 - 13 years after the war for our freedom started.
even then we had battles with other countries and within 80 years we had a civil war that killed 620,000 brave american citizens - not counting civilians and those that died after that bloody 4 year war.
keeping that in mind - why is iraq running behind. they never ran themselves. are the subject of terrorists sneaking into the country and forces - sunni and shiite - continuing their 1400 year battle - that started with the death of that child rapist - moho. yes i call him a child rapist - that is what a person is who has sex with a 9 year old.
as for america, we have 3500 troops lost to this war in iraq, in 5+ years. that does not even come close to the civil war.
in ww1 in 18 months we lost about 50,000. during that same war the british had killed in one day - during the battle of the somme - 72,000. the entire battle - 90 days long - 1,000,000 dead. the christian armenians were slaughtered by islamic turks - 1.8 million during that same war.
ww2 american losses were 192,000 in 4 years. russia lost 12% of their population. germany was responsible for 35,000,000 dead, in 8 years. islam joined ww2 on the side of the nazi's.
dresden was 15 minutes of bombing - 35,000 dead. toyko - 2 night of bombing - 100,000 dead. battle for okawana - 92,000 dead.
sinking of hms hood - 12 minutes - 1412 dead.
1st day of the great invasion - d day - 6,000 dead and we thought we were lucky.
the battle of gettsburg in our civil war - 75,000 dead and wounded - 3 days.
this war has been going on since 911. in that time we have freed 50,000,000 people and islam keeps trying to enslave them again. now who is wrong. those who wish them to be free or those who want them as slaves.
when ww1 was over america had the only atomic bomb in the world. we could have taken the entire world, we didnt. we rebuilt it.
after ww2 - what did the democrats do to lose that war?
well they let the ussr ensliave another 250,000,000 people in eastern europe and america spent billions freeing them.
in china 500,000,000 million people were allowed to come under the communists, who murdered another 25,000,000 people.
it was the communists that then tried to take over even more of the world. we had korea thanks to the communishts and america lost another 50,000 dead to saving the korean people - that was 2 years.
the communists tried to spread dictotorships into nam and we spent 12 years and 54,000 americans to stop them there.
during our history america has spent its time, its blood and its treasure, to save and protect. no other country can say that with honesty.
america is the greatest country that has ever existed and we are again trying to raise a poor people above what they were.
and who is trying to keep them down? ISLAM!

Well i strongly belive that war on terror by US has been in practice with out analyzing the reasons of terrorism. according to a professor who was commenting on BBC that Iraq : the whole country is dying..

since they US and poor Blair could not find trhe WMDs in IRAQ, how they caused the killing of the 600 thousand people there.

Well i strongly belive that war on terror by US has been in practice with out analyzing the reasons of terrorism. according to a professor who was commenting on BBC that Iraq : the whole country is dying..

since they US and poor Blair could not find trhe WMDs in IRAQ, how they caused the killing of the 600 thousand people there.

Well i strongly belive that war on terror by US has been in practice with out analyzing the reasons of terrorism. according to a professor who was commenting on BBC that Iraq : the whole country is dying..

since they US and poor Blair could not find trhe WMDs in IRAQ, how they caused the killing of the 600 thousand people there.

Goth, frankly, sounds like a wimp.

No. We've spent enough BILLIONS in Iraq trying to "fix" what we caused. It's time to leave the Iraqis to themselves. We're doing nada to help them, their constitution is a theocratic model, not a democratic one - it states within the Iraqi constitution that "Islamic law" is the ultimate authority.

What should be happening is, Halliburton should be closed down as a company and made to replace the 30 to 65 BILLION dollars that the idiots have "lost track" of (read: bought new vacation homes for employees) that much taxpayer money.

Get the real criminals, Halliburton, to pay all costs for reconstruction. Instead, in a move I'm sure gets laughs nightly from the Bush admin, Halliburton is moving overseas and away from future prosecutions. Time to impeach Cheney, then try him for corporate malfeasance re: Halliburton, then follow that up with a trial for treason for exposing a CIA agent's identity for nothing but pure spite.

Cheney is an evil criminal.

That, Goth, is the mess we've created. Clean up our own backyard before we continue killing 6 to 10 thousand Iraqi civilians per month.

And the Iraqis? For cripe's sake - we've spent 10 BILLION on "training" their troops to take over. After all that time and money, what is it 3600? Iraqi troops are fit to fight.

Bush and Cheney are war criminals, period.

Bashir,
You think the Bush/Israel/AIPAC went to war on Iraq for any reasons other than to break it up,fragment it and for OIL? Why should Bush and Co. fix a country that it meant to destroy in the first palce? Don't tell me it's an American moral imperative to stay and fix Iraq-if there were any moral criteria of the Bush gang it would not have lied to invade,occupy and destroy it in the first place.