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Amen to that Goth, Masha Allah. A note to the few jaded arab muslims who would want to believe otherwise, Somalis aren't and will never be arabs. Granted we share a common religion, this by no means equates the selective 'Ummah' fallacy Policy most arabs like to quote at times.

PS: Bashir heard a rumor that you will giving a speech at MSU-Mankato to the Somali Students Union on Dec. 14. Confirm walal.

Funky waryaa says Nabadeey.

are you trying to say without the west muslims and arabs are nothing, well thats what someone with weak iman would think. but the majority of muslims and other nations believe the west abused their power and justice will happen inashallah one day.

i red coments of non muslims
i feel ashamed
only muslim respect all profets.
muslims should be respected
they defend christ if some point wrong in Him
they have right to defend themselfs
misadventure of few persons can be not attributed to islam
islam is great
i respect all religion
but bow to god of mohamad
read HIM you will be His lover
you will never then guard shiatan rushdi
thing right speak right
do right

i red coments of non muslims
i feel ashamed
only muslim respect all profets.
muslims should be respected
they defend christ if some point wrong in Him
they have right to defend themselfs
misadventure of few persons can be not attributed to islam
islam is great
i respect all religion
but bow to god of mohamad
read HIM you will be His lover
you will never then guard shiatan rushdi
thing right speak right
do right

If you do not like Americans foreign policies then vote for Ron Paul. All the rest are more of the same & it don;t take a genius to recognize that more of the same is not the answer.

Anonymous: How can I dispute such logic? Sam,however may.

"Sam pal: Hindu India good ! Buddist Thailand good ! Catholic Italy, Spain good ! Church of England U.K. good. Islamic Syria,Egypt,Jordan, Iraq,Iran et al,good !! Jewish Israel bad ! Strange."

Good question. I've been thinking about it for a while and found an answer I hope may satisfy you.

The creation of Israel is controversial and against the wishes of all of its neighbors - the Arabs. Be cause of the Holocaust in Europe, most intelligent Jews and Masonic Jews with their capital and knowledge emigrated to the USA, even before the killing started in June 1941. Thus, after the war, when practically no more Jews are left in Europe, except England, Zionists who creates Israel by means of violence got their support mostly from the USA.

Because of the cold war, and the absent of Jews in the Eastern block - except in Poland, which was also forced out (30,000 to Israel in 1968), the Jews are always associated with the USA and Imperialism. The '67 war when the Arabs (pro USSR) lost to the Jews (pro USA) made Israel even more an issue in all political theater: Jews are associated with Hawks and Arabs with Pigeons :-)

Now when the Iraq war was started and failing by a warlike republican president, all those demons of the past association are reenacted.

Sam pal: Hindu India good ! Buddist Thailand good ! Catholic Italy, Spain good ! Church of England U.K. good. Islamic Syria,Egypt,Jordan, Iraq,Iran et al,good !! Jewish Israel bad ! Strange.

Sam :My pal;I am unaware of any apartheid or holocaust praciced by Israeli gangs. I am aware of extermination practices by Palestinian/Arab gangs such as Hamas, Islamic Jhaid,Popular restinance committee and Hizzbollah.Why does it matter who committed the first Holocaust ? We don't meed a second Sam. By the way Sam some of my best friends are Muslim. Hope this helps you out Sam.

ANONYMOUS
I fully support your post on PALSRA as an adequate solution for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. One secular state on all the land of historical Palestine for all,being jews,christians or moslems,is actually the best solution.Your analysis is great and hits the bottom of the truth.However,Israelis have always insisted on having a pure Jewish state.In other words, non jew,being moslem or christian,has no place there even in their own country.Israelis still do not understand that the idea of a pure Jewish state is nothing but pure apartheid by definition.

Clear.

Don't even hate. That clouds you mind. Take it easy. It's a chess game, only real people die. Accept that you may die one day like any other man. The problem starts when some religion teach you that some won't die and some will go to hell. Thus you start to compete and worse, to cheat.

Take it easy, your soul is immortal.

Tacitus
Correction: I never hate jews.In fact many jews are very good friends of mine.I hold full respect to all faiths and religions in this world. But I do hate the apartheid and the heinous holocaust practised almost everday against Palestinians at the hands of Israeli gangs in the occupied territories.Holocaust against jews was carried out by Europeans,But the Israeli gangs are penalizing Palestinians instead.Clear Enough.

Sam: How do you know Frank is a Zionist ? What is a Zionist Sam ? Why do you hate Jews and Israel Sam ? Do you think both you and Frank share a common trait of hate ? Please Sam help us out ?

"Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"
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Frank
You are the most abnoxious zionist bigot I've ever read.You and your likes main goal is to worsen US relationship with many of our staunchest allies in the world to serve your own zionist goals.Rest assured this will never happen because this coutry will continue to be the United States Of America,Not the United States Of Israel.

FRANK COLLINS
You want to nuke mecc,medina,iran,Saudi Arabia, the moslem world, all non jews in the world.
Why don't you nuke yourself as well.You need to see a doctor soonest.

PALISRA COULD BE THE MAGIC WORD FOR ISRAELI/PALESTINIAn conflict.
It is a sad situation that both Israelis and Palestinians have been fighting and killing each other for more than 60 years now and unfortunately, no light could be seen at the end of this dark tunnel.
The geography and demography of the area that extends between River Jordan and the Mediterranean indicate the complexity of the current situation. Every party is trying hard to grab by mere force what is in the hand of the other. Many wars have been staged and thousands of innocent lives have been shed for this purpose.
Nowadays, almost everybody is talking about setting up two countries for both Israelis and Palestinians. This simply means that the land of historical Palestine will be divided between the two parties, Israelis and Palestinians.
I doubt very much that either party will be satisfied with his share of the cake. There are chronic problems like Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, borders, water resources that nobody on earth can sort out to the satisfaction of both parties.
The short vision of setting up two separate states could sow the seeds for more bloody conflicts in the future. Nobody can guarantee or secure permanent and lasting peace under this proposition.
A far better viable solution that should satisfy both parties and put an end to all complicated issues is available. It is the establishment of one secular country for all on the whole territory of historical Palestine that includes the West Bank and Gaza besides Israel. Jerusalem will remain united for both parties, settlements could remain where they are now provided an appropriate compensation is made to the original land owners, natural geographical borders are already in place for the whole country and the issue of refugees could be settled by allowing all refugees to return home and to be compensated for the 60 years of misery they had to spend at refugee camps. All citizens of the new state, PALISRA (Palestine +Israel), would enjoy equal rights and bear the same responsibilities.
The newly established state, PALISRA will emerge as a prosperous and safe country within a very short period of time, and citizens of this state will learn how to respect and even cherish each other. PALIRA will become a key player and an integral part of the Middle East as yesterday's enemies will become today's friends and allies for ever

Frank,

We are all sinners so be careful about calling other humans who are created in the image of God "scum of the earth." I agree with you about the murderous nature of Islam and know that true Muslims are to "slay the infidels." Let us stick to exposing the truth about Islam and not resort to calling every Muslim scum of the earth. They are zealous for God but are misguided. Most of their forefathers rejected Islam until they were forced to believe through the sword of the prophet. Now they know nothing else. Let us overcome evil by exposing the truth about Islam in love. I know you fear for our nation and the West and I am with you on that issue.

ABD-Allah

“When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action…Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them…If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya [the tax on non-Muslims specified in Qur’an 9:29]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them” (Sahih Muslim 4294).

Muhammad the Prophet

Read your Qur'an read the Haddiths they do not instruct you to pray like you did above. Jesus the Son of God is the One who says pray for your enemies.

Oh god almighty, they think Islam is a candle light so they could blow it away. They don’t see it light of eternity. May you bless them and help them come over their sickness of hate to understand the sweetness of being a muslim. May you give us, the Umma, the strength, knowledge and skill to enlighten the people of earth from evil and darkness. Amin

Did you know that "Extortion" is a "Federal-Crime" & is Punishable by many years of precious Life in Prison? a/k/a in Arabic "Kalabush"! Notice How G-D sais, Kala "Bush" push Bush in the Jihadist Bushy!

Eeeee Haaaa. Praise the LORD/ECLAT + "i" and more goodness tidlings! Ya Ya. Can Can!

“When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action…Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them…If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya [the tax on non-Muslims specified in Qur’an 9:29]. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them” (Sahih Muslim 4294).

“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful” (Qur’an 9:5).

I did not understand a detail in the text. "...the West that liberated the Arabs from the Ottoman Empire when Hitler was dinning with their leaders". Ottomans and Hitler? Isnt it meaningless? Ottomans didnt interfere with Christians and Jews within the Ottoman borders for centuries (but an Orthodox Patriarch was executed in the 19th century). Serbians, Greeks, Armanians (the events in 1915 cannot be discussed in this short comment. But in one sentence, there was no war or violence between Ottomans and Armenians from 1299 to 1914), Bulgarians and many others. Surely Arabs also lived freely and in security under the Ottoman administration. Although nationalism movements harmed the peaceful relations in the WWI, the peace was dominant for Arabs and Turks in the Ottoman period. Jerusalem hosted Christians, Jews and Muslims in peace for centuries. Bosnia, Kosova, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine etc... did not witness bloody wars under the Ottoman rule. From mid-15th to the late 19th century, all the ministers were non-Turkish and mostly from Balkans. Arabs and Turks were always good fellows. And for the religious ones, they were within the same millet (nation): the Muslim nation.

Att: F R A N K enstein, [Perfect Man?]

".... outlaw all islam, destroy every mosk and make the practice of it a crime, just like islam did 1400 years ago when they took by force that which they could not get by faith.
DEATH TO THE CULT OF ISLAM"!

Sounds more Hallal then Helish to me! Ya Ya Lets Get it over with.... Y Ya Ya. But Wait Frank! Halt! Lets Leave the Planet! Ya?

O.K.

Eye [No more Kabba in Mecca for WTC] for an eye and tooth for a tooth [no more Al Aqsa Dome in Jerusalem for Pentagon].

Frank?, Sounds like a Plan Frank. O.K, I'll give you the first honors to press the "Button" Go!

"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought"

Ahmed:
U are a former Muslim-U make me laugh-U are an imposter from choosen ones-are u not??

Ahmed:
U are a former Muslim-U make me laugh-U are an imposter from choosen ones-are u not??

frank collins:
Hi Cousin. Don't U ever get tierd or repating your empty self???

Dears:

Thank you for tallking about Islam ,but berfore talking about Islam I want to know who and how much of you know anything about Islam and read a realy a books about Islam ?? who are you to accusations Islams and muslimes in this world ?? and what you know about your Gov and what your Gov done in our country .
I want thank that person who he want to destroy the hollyland mecca..he just as any person from west want and like kill and just anther anzi like hetler and W.bush who killing murderer by gulity all arabic and muslimes kids and woman ..what I want say all this you strat it and now you as always finding a way to accusations Us . but you don't know anything about the truth and facts .Dears you have reading as announcer in docmantanry films " THE TRUTH & LIES OF 9/11" the USA people and and many people in this world they are not reading .??
if you talking about muslimes as Terrorisms you have watching " Jesus camps "and reading about the Masson , the zionistic and then came and I will like talk with you about the realy Terrorism .
we are as always like and love civilisations interlocutions ..becoz form the old time we are a very civilisations nations ." the old world " if are you reading ? people
and we have the examples for this like Mr ahmed deedat this is his website
www.ahmed-deedat.net ...Pls try reading .
anyway may be some you definding at Islam and some like that person want just destroy Us like any nazi, masson and zionistic. he is the realy evils in world you and W.bush and many of you from Isreal .
in god welling we will prevailing in the end
thank you
aslamo ala mian Itaba al_alhuda .

Bashir Goth,

You're eating the Western food and believing in the Western lies. Take your time to reread the Iraqis drama orchestrated by the western world from the UK to the US.

Take a look at this spin with real picture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDBxJwjARAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-eD-Z0SQqU

Not to mention the West role in Iran, it was the West also who created Sadam to fight Iran in now less famous war of the 80s when Sadam and Reagan's republicans like Rumsfeld were comrades in arms. When Iraqis Saddam was exhausted after the war, it was cheated by the US into believing that it can take oil from Kuwait for free. Saddam invade Kuwait and Bush Sr. bombed the hell out of Iraq and impose sanction on Iraqis that lead to numerous death among newborn babies, well documented by the UN.

But Bush Sr also know that it's not easy to invade and occupy Iraq to take the oil out, so he choose Arab Saudi for the sake of peace. And that made Mr bin Laden claim to be a valid one for me: to free his homeland from foreign occupation.

When Bush Jr finally got the courage to finish what the neocons believe his father should have done, he again mess up the Iraqis to the degree that 10-20% of them have to take refuge in Syria or Jordan or internally displaced in Iraq.

Without the West, Iraq would be much more a happy nation. So forget your stupid AWOL argument. A car bomb that failed to kill two selfburning doctors and two others that failed to burn is hardly a terror compare to the Iraqis drama.

For a western journalist who's brainwashed from birth about the superiority of the Western world, it's forgivable this kind of argument of yours, but you're from Somali! Aren't you ?

@Cevantroes
Don't say sorry, I like your rant. It only got really ugly when those who go f.xking are saying they're going to church. And those who are true believers (really going to church) go after them to the whxrehouse.

Also, please forgive my spelling errors, the last thing I was worried about was, if I'd made a flawless post or not. I'm also not out to ruin anyone's day, or claim they are stupid, and not worth speaking with. Everyone here was intelligent enough to speak their own viewpoints, which, unsurprisingly, everyone had one. ^_^; Anyhoo, Yeah.. I'm 20 years old... Just to give a backdrop.
And one last thing on Islam. I truely know nothing about islam and am ignorant of it's ways, but I do know no matter where i've come across information on it, Islam has always seemed to say, "You cannot worship freely, and if you try, especially after we offer teachings, You will die." Sorry, I'm a spiritualist, and you dare say, I cannot follow my own line of worship, which is exactly what Mohommad (Forgive spelling.) did? Last thing, As an american I view slavery as wrong, Has anyone heard anything about any islamic beliefs that involve enslaving infidels in heaven? Or rather Infidels that they slay, are their slaves in heaven? Thanks.

Fellas, despite the recordings of history, despite your beliefs, remember one simple, basic thing. The grapevine effect, No one truely knows what exactly happened well over 2000 years ago, All that is known, are the popular doses of history/truth. You cannot tell me you know all, and thus that you can prove anything is, as it is said to have been, 1400, to 2000 years. Things get mistranslated, lost, Hidden/covered up. Now I'm not denying any of our popular past/history or anything, but, Can you really tell me what say, Hitler said, word for word, behind closed doors? World peace is a wonderful dream, but that's all it is... So long as nations live as organisms, led by a higher power, (in this case the governments in question.) there won't be such a peace. We're a highly competitive species, that is territorial, but also very Herd like. However remove a few people from the main group for a while, like, three or four generations, with no contact with other folks... The chances are they are going to get a lil bit nutsy with time. Anyhoo, so long as said governments are seperated from the rest of their respective countries, there shall be no peace. Nations are made of individuals, who depending upon the style of gonverment are led/represented in different ways, Communism ideally is a wonderful thing,, but then you add people to it, and folks start competing. which screws it up.. I live in the United States of America, which is a Capitalist setup... that is slowly in it's ways becoming Facist... Why? Because businesses, have money. More then me, Probably more than you. And so they have power, as they have Capital. Ever heard of political lobbying? Tis not always church groups you know. I apoligise for my thoughts being slightly out of order and this not being a nice clean rant, however, that's probably not at important as some things. My point is, Nations have the herd thing down, (US/UK/some of europe) even in herds however, things fall out of favor and become disliked, there's always an Alpha, and a Omega. But that doesn't take away the need to compete over things. Nations tend to do it over semipractical things... like oil. As a random instance... If you want to bring it down to a far more base reason, Look at all the fighting that takes place involving say, Sexual partners. Women'll backstab each other, Men will lie, and betray each other, granted it's no 100% thing. But it can and does happen on a day to day basis. You might now say, "But that's hormone reaction, and thus it's different." which I suppose it is, so instead consider food, If we do not eat, our body, begins to tell us we need to eat. we call it hunger. Same with liquids, drinking. Need to use the bathroom? Oh look, there is a biological phone line for that one too. So what does a nation, made up of such organisms do, when it has a need for something? It does whatever it can, to get it. And this is my personal opinion, on why there will never be a True world peace. Anyhoo, I did not intend to offend anyone, or anything... I just think that people go on about world peace a bit much.... And it seems like a waste of time to me, Beautiful concept... But a waste nonetheless.

@Bashir Goth

You do know any background on this subject. Al Qaeda will take over the region? Are you retards on drugs? You do know the US CREATED AL QAEDA!!! Use your heads people. If Al Qaeda needed to be sheltered by the Taliban then what makes you think they could take over any country?

Sheesh...do you all write out your original posts in finger paint then get your mommies to type them out for you?

Idolizing the Quran

Idolatry arises from an exaggerated respect translating into a misguided religious zeal. This adoration or zeal is directed towards an entity other than God.

Muslims suspect Christians were guilty of this crime when they elevated a Prophet to the status of a God. The Hindus are accused of engaging in such idol worship to the promiscuous point that today they have innumerable Gods.

Shiite Muslims are accused of idolatry when they elevate the status of Ali to an unusual degree. But there is an idolization common to most Muslims: idolizing the Quran.

Words printed on paper are elevated to such a height that they are folded into “Tawiz” and hung around the believers to protect them from disease and the ‘evil eye’.

Such are the abnormal expectations attached to the printed Quran that believers often dissolve it in water and drink it as medicine. Unfortunately it is often the case that the wearer and the one who prepares this ‘holy paper’ or ‘medicine’ are quite often unaware of the meaning of the words.

Other examples of this exaggerated respect as demonstrated by some is kissing the Quran, pressing it against one’s eyes, avoiding pointing one’s feet towards it and sitting below the position of the book.

Lastly an act I often found irrational is the elaborate measures taken to burn or discard all Arabic words that look even remotely ornate or Quran like.

It is not like the scholars of Islam have been ignorant of such idolatry. Many shake their heads over it, shrug their shoulders and exclaim with consternation and blame it in on the times. Others have waged righteous war against all idolatry.

Illustration of such valiant acts is their prohibition of approaching the Prophet’s tomb. This was enacted to prohibit people from praying at the tomb, kissing the tomb and to prevent tying threads and prayer requests.

Another desperate action is the bulldozing of “Jannatul Baqi” (a graveyard holding the greatest martyrs and saints of Islam) to prevent people from kissing tombstones or stealing the sand for purposes of selling them as holy relics and remedies.

Men may say, ‘but what is the harm in such acts of devotion?’ Besides the fact that this is idolatry and therefore a sin, historically Muslims have suffered gravely because they have elevated their Holy Book to irrational heights.

Case in point is the day when a prototype of the Gutenberg press was presented to the Caliph of Turkey for purposes of printing the Quran. The Gutenberg press as we all know is responsible for the resurgence of Europe from the Dark Ages more than any other invention.

When such an opportunity was presented to Muslims before it ever made an impression in Europe the scribes of the Quran rejected this machine and denounced it as an “instrument of the devil”.

The rationale of the scribes was that since the printing press did not perform ablution before ‘writing’ the Quran it was therefore unfit but moreover it was devilish for printing the Quran without performing an ablution.

One sees countless more side affects of such adoration with the riots and public unrest that erupts throughout the Islamic world. Most recently there was the incident of a village Doctor in Pakistan who was lynched because someone accused him of throwing a page of the Holy Book in the sewers. After the lynching the crowd went about destroying public infrastructure, looting shops and vandalizing taxpayer-sponsored property.

Remember idolatry arises not from hatred but an extreme of adoration and devotion. It is when you begin to love a human being more than you love God that you begin to commit idolatry. It is when you begin to love money more than God that you commit idolatry.

It is when you begin to associate irrational zeal and passion to an aspect of religion or a religious icon is when you begin to commit a sin. It is when you misplace the source of your salvation be it money, the saints, books or the Prophet’s family when you begin to elevate something to the status of a God.

Besides it being a sin irrational zeal is a weakness that your foes will most certainly exploit. You have already seen evidence of self-destructive behavior amongst Muslims when a few socialists drew a picture of a pig and wrote “Mohammad” underneath.

The resulting youth riots destroyed the fledgling and meager economy of that region. If you provide sensitive areas and “buttons” that are rooted in an unnecessary reverence your foes will most gladly press it and then watch with glee as you dance towards your destruction. Most importantly it is very easy for your foes to set you against your friends if you provide the world with simple interfaces into your psychology.

From: Idolizing the Koran
A. Shiraz
July 29, 2005

Chowk.com

I feel the destruction of the West is coming because of cowardly politicians and the politically correct media who have lost their ability to discern between good and evil. For example Monday a few Muslim quotes were used in a BCC article titled “Muslim Voices on the Bomb Attacks.” The quotes were from a few scattered Muslims who denounced the bombing in Scotland. The problem with these quotes is that they are not consistent with the Qur'an which instructs Muslims to "slay the infidels" (Qur'an 9"5). Infidels include those who believe that Jesus is God's Son (Most Christians). The Qur'an reads as follows:
Qur'an 5:72 “They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.”
Qur'an 5:73 “They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.”
Therefore, either these Muslims are lying (Taqiyya) or they do not follow the teachings of the Qur'an. Just like those who say they are Christians yet do not believe the Bible cannot rightly be called Christians. A person who says they are Muslim yet denies what the Qur'an says cannot rightly be called Muslim.
If we do not wake up to the truth that the Qur'an teaches the Muslim to take over the world in any way possible this includes lying (Taqiyya) and force the West is doomed to destruction and our children's children will be wearing burkas.

Muhammad said:

"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought" (Muslim:C9B1N31).

The greatly respected Bukhari in the Muslim world recorded:
"Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master'" (Bukhari:V4B53N386).

Political correctness will be our undoing.

You are making a good living out of this,don't you? It is a good bussines nowdays. Muslims in some countries have a lot of problems, no question about it, almost helpless situation. Still, there is a minor issue with people like you who would do anything to convince themselves that West will accept them as equal, being from Africa and all, if you telling them only what they want to hear? If you think that West is on a mission of bringing a freedom, whatever that is, to others, why do you live here, not in your home country, or some other they are liberating, to help them out?

We need Edward Said!

Continuation to previous post.

The author really shows his complete ignorance of the matter at hand, or maybe that he lives in a world of fantasy, whichever, when he claims that "Al-Qaeda" would be able to "rule" the Arab countries. Absolutely nonsense. Al-Qaeda can't even rule on small districts in Iraq, and they got massacred. Or even in Gaza, where they kidnapped Alan Johnston, and were forced to release him by Hamas. Or in Lebanon, where all Palestinians shunned from the "Fatah al Islam group". How do you expect them to do ANYTHING with countries that have established political and security systems.

Who would buy the oil from the Gulf, you ask? The newest comers, developing countries, China and India. In fact, the Gulf does not need the West to buy any of it's oil at all, and would still maintain high revenues. Get used to it.

And if the the U.S. withdraws all it's troops from the Gulf, the most likely occurance is that all the puppet regimes will fall one after the other, not immediately, but slowly. Their effect will be undermined, their power reduced, and they will be force to make reforms by which they start to introduce true democracy to their region.

The West has "Liberated" the Arabs from the "Ottoman" empire, only to divide it into multiple countries, and divide the resources amongst the colonial countries. The Arabs, fought for many decades, to be liberated from the colonial countries, and payed dearly in life. 1 Million Algerians died, in their fight to get liberated from France. Hundreds of thousands died to become liberated in Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Morocco.

And even after the "Liberation", the west insured the installment of the most savage dictators in every single Arab country, and Islamic country, that are sure to follow their agenda.

The West "defended" the Arab's oil fields from communism, only to secure their hold over it for their capitalism. The gulf is literally littered with hundreds of U.S. Bases for that purpose.

The West, that supported Saddam hussein's regime, and supplied him with the Chemical weapons and WMDs, that he used against his own people. The West that "removed" Saddam, who killed thousands of his own people, by killing HUNDREDS of thousands of Iraqis in the process. Some liberation.

The West the Established and fortified the division of Palestine, to create the longest and most complex conflict in the Region. The West, that knocked out the democratically Iranian elected president in 1953, to give full power to a Dictator Shah. who oppressed and tortured his people for 25 years.

Above all, The West, that CREATED Al-Qaeda, and supported them, for the so called "Liberation".

"They rather bury their heads in the sand and let the West do the dirty work and live with the consequences."

Ya, right. Very knowledgeable,this author is. The Arab states (Mostly dictators installed or supported by the West) have some of the top "Counter-terrorism" units. Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia , Algeria and Saudi Arabia, are some of the countries that fight terror long before 9/11. Even many warning were issued by Egyptian intelligence, about the possibility of a "major attack" in 2001 against the United states, which the U.S. "choose" to ignore.

The Jordanian intelligence, was the major reason, why the U.S. managed to assassinate Zarkawi.

If by "burying their heads in the sand" you mean Arab and Muslim countries don't choose to INVADE Iraq, and Afghanistan, then sure, the whole world chose to do so, because it is idiotic to involve the Arab world, in wars against other Islamic or Arab countries. That would start a whole new batch of hatred, akin to that of the Iraqi-Iranian war.

No thanks, let the U.S. handle the terror of "Al-Qaeda" it has created, and the disaster of Iraq, it also has created, not only by invading, but also by supporting Saddam before.

We have had enough of the "Western Liberation", this author brags about.

All chroinc problems in the Middle East being in Lebanon, Afganistan, Iraq or Palestine are generated by one malicious power house named Israel. The unlimited support of the US to Israel from 1948 till now ,and the illegal creation of Israel on the ruins of Palestine, has led to unmatched state of disappointment and despair in the Middle East, which in turn has led to the creation of terrorist groups who are ready to sacrifice their own bodies in a holy war agianst Israel and US interests, not only in the Middle East but all over the world.
What do we expect from a palestinian refugee who has been deprived of all his belongings and thrown out of his country to live in a refugee camp for more than 60 years now.
The war in Iraq is nothing but an Israeli war unfortunately fought with US blood and US taxpayer's money.It is time for the US admin to wake up to the real cause of all problems in the area and to change its foreign policy categorically.

well done Bashir Goth the great man from Awdal

Islam is best religion on earth now and then,for your inforamation every day thousands of people were converting to islam every cornern on world,what ever you said Mr Bashir Islam will stay ever no one can be defeated,whether you support jews and western and when day we will see state of islam from west cost of AFRICA TO PHILIPINE,SARAJEVO TO MOGADISHO,What could you done by that. we never ever give up as muslim to defend our dignity and religion as the way our fathers and grand fathers had done.

I feel the destruction of the West is coming because of cowardly politicians and the politically correct media who have lost their ability to discern between good and evil. For example Monday a few Muslim quotes were used in a BCC article titled “Muslim Voices on the Bomb Attacks.” The quotes were from a few scattered Muslims who denounced the bombing in Scotland. The problem with these quotes is that they are not consistent with the Qur'an which instructs Muslims to "slay the infidels" (Qur'an 9"5). Infidels include those who believe that Jesus is God's Son (Most Christians). The Qur'an reads as follows:
Qur'an 5:72 “They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.”
Qur'an 5:73 “They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.”
Therefore, either these Muslims are lying (Taqiyya) or they do not follow the teachings of the Qur'an. Just like those who say they are Christians yet do not believe the Bible cannot rightly be called Christians. A person who says they are Muslim yet denies what the Qur'an says cannot rightly be called Muslim.
If we do not wake up to the truth that the Qur'an teaches the Muslim to take over the world in any way possible this includes lying (Taqiyya) and force the West is doomed to destruction and our children's children will be wearing burkas.

Muhammad said:

"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought" (Muslim:C9B1N31).

The greatly respected Bukhari in the Muslim world recorded:
"Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master'" (Bukhari:V4B53N386).

Political correctness will be our undoing.

NUKE MOHAMMED! NUKE JESUS TOO!

Religion is the art of getting poor people to fight and die for rich people. Nothing more and nothing less.

Meanwhile Goth is dead-on-b*lls-accurate in his assessment. We should leave and let the idiots kill each other over false prophecies of a false prophet (like all prophets are proven to be) The only problem is that Dick Cheney is still working on his retirement plan so our idiots must stay in the middle of it all.

Meanwhile, if you want freedom, kill the master.

Evolution and the law of the jungle are the only realities. Everything else is smoke and BS.

Bashir Goth,

You're eating the Western food and believing in the Western lies. Take your time to reread the Iraqis drama orchestrated by the western world from the UK to the US.

Not to mention the West role in Iran, it was the West also who created Sadam to fight Iran in now less famous war of the 80s when Sadam and Reagan's republicans like Rumsfeld were comrades in arms. When Iraqis Saddam was exhausted after the war, it was cheated by the US into believing that it can take oil from Kuwait for free. Saddam invade Kuwait and Bush Sr. bombed the hell out of Iraq and impose sanction on Iraqis that lead to numerous death among newborn babies, well documented by the UN.

But Bush Sr also know that it's not easy to invade and occupy Iraq to take the oil out, so he choose Arab Saudi for the sake of peace. And that made Mr bin Laden claim to be a valid one for me: to free his homeland from foreign occupation.

When Bush Jr finally got the courage to finish what the neocons believe his father should have done, he again mess up the Iraqis to the degree that 10-20% of them have to take refuge in Syria or Jordan or internally displaced in Iraq.

Without the West, Iraq would be much more a happy nation. So forget your stupid AWOL argument. A car bomb that failed to kill two selfburning doctors and two others that failed to burn is hardly a terror compare to the Iraqis drama.

For a western journalist who's brainwashed from birth about the superiority of the Western world, it's forgivable this kind of argument of yours, but you're from Somali! Aren't you ?

Frank,

I don't use drugs, not Moslem, and yes I have read the Koran. If you are religious then you must have missed part of your teachings. But it will not do any good to talk to you about this.

Its very refreshing to hear a call for self-examination from a Muslim living in an Arab state. A small ray of hope for the future.

just one small correction:
"it was the West that liberated the Arabs from the Ottoman Empire when Hitler was dinning with their leaders"

technically Hitler was an enlisted man in the Reichswehr during WWI while the Arab lands were being liberated by the British General Allenby.

Israel was admitted by UN as a member state under reolution 273.However its admittace was conditional and only upon iplementation of resolutions 181 and 194 which clearly call for the return of all Palestinian refugees to their homes and belongings and to limit the borders of the new state as per resolution 181. Since Israerl until now refuses the return of Palestinian refugees and has expanded its borders far beyond the territories specified in resolution 181,it should not be considered a member state anymore.In fact it nothing but abunch of illegal military gangs whose only game is to practice all kinds of aparthaid aganist all non jews and to kill as many Palestinians as they can everday.

Very few people know that the biggest theft in history took place in 1948 when Israelis forced helpless civilian Palestinians by military force to leave their homes and belongings and turned them into refugees in neighboring countries until this day.We are talking here about tens of cities and hundreds of villages with an estimate value of billions of US DOLLARS.I really wonder why this theft is not listed in the Genis Book.

The whole world will never see peace as long as the crime of the 20th century is not handled adequately.The legitimate state of Palestine was removed from the world map to be replaced by the illegitimate state of Israel with new immigrants from all over the world.Palestinians,being moslems or christians,were kicked out into refugee camps to be replaced by jews from Europe,Russia,Ethiopia etc.
Repercussions of this heinous crime are behind all turmoil and bloodshed in the Middle East including Iraq,Lebanon,Palestinian occupied territories,Syria,Iran etc.
The unlimited support of US to Israel is encouraging the latter to reject all UN resolutions on the Palestinian Issue including Resolution 194 which calls for the return of all Palestinian refugees home.It is time for the US admin to wake up to the real cause of all problems in the area and to change its foreign policy categorically.

Hello Alex. You Forgot to mention how you all invented "Hashish" and "Opium" mass cultivation & spreading.

P.S. There is a Rumour going on around here (USA) that the Buble "Bee's" are mysteriously Gone this year?? And As you might know, Bin Laden died in the month of June this year. And that he cornered the international Honey Market in the Islamic World?! And That Islamic International religious Mafiasos are out to poison America & Friends?!

Did some Islamic Jihaddist Terrorist Cell of Doctor's of Biology conspire to Alter the 'Honey Bee's' Genetec reproductive system???

Note: I wrote a paper on this and it got yanked. So I hope this one stays. Ya Ya.

I am amazed at the amount of revisionism existing in this thread. Doesn't anyone read history books? Right wing Americans slamming Muslims, Left wing Amercians slamming Jews. If you just read a little history, especially by a person who is not American, Islamist or Israeli you might be a little more knowledgeable.
Short history of Isreal and area (little rough on numbers university days were 20 years ago)
1939-1945 there was a war in Europe. Nazi's killed millions of Jews. Many Jews felt they could not be safe in any country where they were a whims of a bigoted majority (basically every country at that time including the US)
Many moved to the area of biblical Isreal which was controlled by the British and began a guerilla war to re-create Israel. Most Europeans including the British were still feeling guilty about the Nazi death camps (Britain like every other country refused many Jewish refugees from Continental Europe).
The British as a colonial