Two fugitives from Fatah's violent offshoot, the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, also secured high positions. The Jenin winner, Jamal Abu Rob, who gave himself the nickname ``Hitler,'' is wanted for killing several suspected informers with Israel. The Nablus candidate, Jamal Jumaa, is a leader of Al Aqsa in the West Bank's largest city.

Another terrorist candidate is wanted Al-Aqsa Brigade chief Jamal Abu Roub, who goes by the nickname “Hitler.”

“Hitler” told Fox News reporter Jeniffer Griffin [sic] that he expects to win a seat because he gives his people “dignity and safety.” Fox News screened footage of Abu Roub publicly executing an Arab accused of helping Israel. He has been running from Israeli security forces, but appeared in public to campaign - with the reporter - assuming Israeli forces would not apprehend him while he spoke with a Western reporter.

Asked whether he thought the nickname “Hitler” would affect his election chances, Roub said, “I got this name because of my personality. I am a guy that has a strong personality and uses violence, if needed, to respond.”
I guess that for Palestinians, publicly identifying with a genocidal mass murderer who killed millions of Jews is a good career move. Just don't call them anti-semitic - they hate that.

Marshall Plan is a great idea BUT

The real problem steps from the fact that the powerful religious radical groups in Israel (country which exerts the most power in the region) do not benefit from peace. Peace to them only means giving up their Zionist dreams of expanding Israel - reuniting the kingdom of David or Judea. After all with peace comes the inability for the Zionist to expand settlement activities in the West Bank.

These Israeli religious radical groups or Zionist have been slowing colonizing the West Bank under the nose of the world despite the illegality of the matter. These colonization activities are nothing short of ethnic cleansing and have been categorized by many human rights groups including B'Tselem as illegal and a crime against humanity.

Little wonder why Sharon furthered the Israeli Apartheid system to oppress the poor innocent Palestinians. After all, if Sharon wanted peace and security for Israel over land theft via ethnic cleansing, he would not be putting Israeli's at risk by erecting Israeli only settlements by killing the local inhabitants and forcing them from the land in which they live. Apartheid is NEVER about security; it is about controlling the land and resources against the will of the local inhabitants.

Regarding peace in the Middle East, James Baker, former US Secretary of State, said it best:

"Israel, when you want peace give us a call!"

Att: Frank Collons et al;

A B O L I S H, Islam!

O U T L A W, All Muslum/Muslim/Muslem Congregation.

And Have ALL Islamic AMERICAN's sign a "Loyalty To America Only" Agreement. [Citizen or Not since most have dual citizenship]. AND;

Have All Islamic Kid's in Public Schools, undergo a {sychological Evelution & Check for "Massaging" or Brainwashing of these poor Kid's, via Parents or Family Members who show signs of Hate or Ant-Humanity thinking and or feelings!

Revoke & Suspend Any Private, Public Licenses, Permitts, Diplomas Etc..and forbid them to practive in this country. AND

Build Certain "Concentration Camps" in a remote "Gulag" like atmosphere in Alasaka, and or, send them to Saudi Arabia [The Capital Of Islam.] And or Iran [The Capital of Islamic terrorism].

let them (Saudi, Persia or the Person(s) in question) pay for transport there or anywhere when placed! OR,

Freeze all assets of All "Islamic Folk".

Yes, the Majority must pay for the Minority?!

We are At War. No More Mr. Nice Guy!

Praise The LORD/ECLAT + "i".

((((((((( D O W N with I S L A M ))))))))))))

Thankyou Mr. Rushdie!

"Satanic Satins" & their "Versus" must be Out-Lawed in All Westen Country's! England & America & Australia & New Zealand ....!

P.S. Drop a bomb on Iran, Have the "Islamic Vanguard" Pakistan surrender it's 30 nuclear weapons, and Warn Saudi that All of "Mecca" will be Bombed beyond the Stone Ages, since that "Old Song Mentality, is How they exported their Wannabe islamaholics kraparino! NOW!

Note: And Since whar Babylon did to the Solomon Temple in Jerusalem, that the Al Aqsa Gold Dome will be raised forever and more smarter G-d Righteous [Prophetic] "Raptures" (their "ZILZAL" and their Zilzalianz, not ours) to Come.

BEHOLD: The "MAITREYA", The "MAHDI", The MESSIAH, is come to clear-away the "GOG and MAGOG" inflictions and "Revelating" (opposite of secret) the Riddles of their Satan(s) and thus pull humate-kind out of the Bottomless Pit, as once wrongly imagined, taught & or Forced upon our Humanity & their Kids by bad parents whom are otherwise wise and or good!

Khuda Hafaiz!

Frank,

The above posted FYI .....Article III (c) applies to you.

Hope you have good legal representation.

You'll need it.

Welcome to my freshly opened can 'o Whup-ass.

EJ

FYI.....

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Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (relevant links)

Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the U.N. General Assembly on 9 December 1948.
Entry into force: 12 January 1951.

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(Excerpt)

The Contracting Parties,

Having considered the declaration made by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution 96 (I) dated 11 December 1946 that genocide is a crime under international law, contrary to the spirit and aims of the United Nations and condemned by the civilized world,

Recognizing that at all periods of history genocide has inflicted great losses on humanity, and

Being convinced that, in order to liberate mankind from such an odious scourge, international co-operation is required,

Hereby agree as hereinafter provided:

Article I: The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Article IV: Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.
Article V: The Contracting Parties undertake to enact, in accordance with their respective Constitutions, the necessary legislation to give effect to the provisions of the present Convention, and, in particular, to provide effective penalties for persons guilty of genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III.

Article VI: Persons charged with genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be tried by a competent tribunal of the State in the territory of which the act was committed, or by such international penal tribunal as may have jurisdiction with respect to those Contracting Parties which shall have accepted its jurisdiction.

Article VII: Genocide and the other acts enumerated in article III shall not be considered as political crimes for the purpose of extradition.

The Contracting Parties pledge themselves in such cases to grant extradition in accordance with their laws and treaties in force.

Article VIII: Any Contracting Party may call upon the competent organs of the United Nations to take such action under the Charter of the United Nations as they consider appropriate for the prevention and suppression of acts of genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III.

Article IX: Disputes between the Contracting Parties relating to the interpretation, application or fulfilment of the present Convention, including those relating to the responsibility of a State for genocide or for any of the other acts enumerated in article III, shall be submitted to the International Court of Justice at the request of any of the parties to the dispute.

(end excerpt)

Source: http://www.preventgenocide.org/law/convention/text.htm

Att: E R I C. J E T, S A N , NM, U.S.A., et al;

W O W!

WOW!

eric:
it will not be the first war i was in and im still alive.

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Yeah, and I've been shot at by professionals and still breathing, what's that got to do with nuking folks you find issue with.

Look, I respectfully suggest you pour yourself a tall glass of STFU, because the "Nuk'em all and let Allah sort 'em out" strategy is not what we're about as a nation, you bloody hemoroidal bozo.

( Note to Moderator: Ban me or Ban the idiot I'm responding to, because my language is about to become quite creative momentarily, and that will be your fault for allowing this Genocidal nitwit I'm slapping down to continue to (and illegally so) advocate Armaggedon as a final solution. Suggest you take this on up to WP legal staff if you have doubt.)

Now Frank, I'm willing to cut you some slack as it isn't your falt that for a buck more you would have been born Muslim. But you really do need to seek serious counselling for your childhood issues.

But hey, you're an adult now and responsible for your actions and words, so I'm not inclined to offer you mercy.

So before you STFU, try the twist and jerk method of pulling your head out of your rear end. Kind of hard to breath in that position anyway isn't it?

Then you are cordially invited to pay me a visit and I'll put you out of your misery, just like I would a rabid dog running around the neigborhood.

I have just enough mercy left in reserve to do so.

No regards,

EJ

Palestine has gotten too much attention. The world in in fatigue over this. Better to take what you can, and have modest goals at that.

FYI.....

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Media Note
Office of the Spokesman
Washington, DC
June 27, 2007

Quartet Representative – Quartet Statement

Quartet Principals noted that recent events in Gaza and the West Bank make it more urgent than ever that we advance the search for peace in the Middle East. The Quartet reaffirms its objective to promote an end to the conflict in conformity with the Roadmap and expresses its intention to redouble its efforts in that regard. The urgency of recent events has reinforced the need for the international community, bearing in mind the obligations of the parties, to help Palestinians as they build the institutions and economy of a viable state in Gaza and the West Bank, able to take its place as a peaceful and prosperous partner to Israel and its other neighbors.

To facilitate efforts to these ends, following discussions among the Principals, today the Quartet announced the appointment of Tony Blair as the Quartet Representative. Mr. Blair, who is stepping down from office this week, has long demonstrated his commitment on these issues.

As Quartet Representative, he will:

Mobilize international assistance to the Palestinians, working closely with donors and existing coordination bodies;
Help to identify, and secure appropriate international support in addressing, the institutional governance needs of the Palestinian state, focusing as a matter of urgency on the rule of law;
Develop plans to promote Palestinian economic development, including private sector partnerships, building on previously agreed frameworks, especially concerning access and movement; and
Liaise with other countries as appropriate in support of the agreed Quartet objectives.
As Representative, Tony Blair will bring continuity and intensity of focus to the work of the Quartet in support of the Palestinians, within the broader framework of the Quartet’s efforts to promote an end to the conflict in conformity with the Roadmap. He will spend significant time in the region working with the parties and others to help create viable and lasting government institutions representing all Palestinians, a robust economy, and a climate of law and order for the Palestinian people.

Tony Blair will be supported in this work by a small team of experts, based in Jerusalem, to be seconded by partner countries and institutions.

The Quartet Representative will report to and consult regularly with the Quartet and be guided by it as necessary.

The Quartet looks forward to welcoming Mr. Blair at its next meeting.

2007/516

Released on June 27, 2007

Because of his involvement in the attack and invasion of Iraq, and because of his complicity in Israeli objectives in the recent invasion of south Lebanon, Blair has zero credibility with the Palestinians. I presume Abbas will meet with him - but Abbas also has zero credibility with the people who roundly rejected him at the polls.

It is pointless pretending that throwing money at Palestinian infrastructure will change the situation while the Palestinians are having their homes, farmland, territory and water stolen from under them. The Palestinians are just like everyone else - until it is done, securing the national territory is the only item on the agenda. When the territory is secure, democracy and economics will then become the priority. There is no known instance in history of these priorities being reversed.

The only measure of Blair's credibility will be how much he achieves in getting the Israelis out of their illegal settlements in the West Bank and re-establishing the rights of the indigenous people to their own private property and water-resources.

"give islam what they want - a world war with each and every islamic a valid target. nuke mecca, medina, and all other islamic holy sites. burn islam off the face of the earth."

-frank collins:

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Frank,

Congratulations! You also qualify for the above posted once in a life time opportunity.

We'll be sending the Company chartered rendition flight to you directly, as you've drawn the short straw lotto and are slotted for the first available launch date.

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Please review the details above and RSVP this forum as well to confirm your reservation.

Congratulations once again, and remember, you are among a very select group of individuals across the globe.

You Crying or you Lieing or you buying E R I c, Jeyi?!?

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None of the above, as I don't suffer the afflicions of such attachments.

However, your ticket to ride is supplied free of charge via government subsidized risk minimalization program otherwise commonly known as the Global Nuclear Free Zone Initiative.

Humanity is in a dillema...Too many pissed off preachers and too many nukes= questionable future of life on Earth...all life.

An elegant solution has been found to resolve this grave and pressing issue.

You'll be joined by your fellow pissed off preachers across the globe. And obviosly those not pissed off will not be invited to travel. You are among a select group. Congratulations!

Your travel accomodations will consist of the following:

1 dose of dramamine (for motion sickness)
1 roll of duck tape
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1 intercontinental ballisic missile (Nuclear tipped)

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No in flight movies available at this time, sorry. But you'll have an excellent view of Earth as you are shot into space, and you'll get a real good suntan upon arival on the surface of Sol. Scenic flybys of Venus and Mercury en rout.

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Your travel to point of departure will also be provided free of charge via Company chartered rendition flight non-stop from anywhere the hole you crawled out of is located.

Opon anticipated approval by all concerned nations, you will be notified of launch windows and picked up by the air rendition Company staff.

Please do be courteous to your flight attendants, as an large electric Tazer charge may be applicable unto you for thorozine coctails and extra duck tape to wrap your yap down tight if your eminent pissed-offness causes disturbance en rout to launch area.

Glad I am to be able to offer you this once in a lifetime offer to help save the planet.

Thank you for your interest.

Regards,

EJ

Ooops! Too much "A R A K" , hay they need to make a DWI on Cyber Hyway, No? Ya Ya Momma poppa monsa mono's! Ya Ya.

praise The LORD/ECLATi, Allah, Jrishna, Budha, Jesus, moses, etc..

One=Mom/Dad, + one=Life/Photons!

P.s. We Never can Die! Just try to be "Together Forever With Source-Onw G-d Almighty! ONE, Whad, Ek, Uno, Ein, Adjin, .....

We ALL die!

You Crying or you Lieing or you buying E R I c, Jeyi?!?

"See, I believe if we "86" all you Pissed off Preachers slap of the planet Earth, humanity won't need worry about "End Times"."

Scuse my typo in the above, folks...it should read "....slap off the planet Earth,...."

"Gear Arabiscs et al, This is your Eclati-ON prophecy for now!" -Jozevz:

Jozevz,
I have this theory that perhaps the great Eclati might offer his opinion on if a mind to....

See, I believe if we "86" all you Pissed off Preachers slap of the planet Earth, humanity won't need worry about "End Times".

What'd'ya think your eminence, would you be Eclati-ON or Eclati-OFF that buss into semi-permanent free-fall strait into good ol' Sol????

Curious minds want to know.

See, my friends and I are about to table a proposal to every UN Ambassador on Earth, and remind them of their "Responsibility to Protect" humanity at large. So please reply as soon as possible, so we can include you on the flight list to oblivion.

That is to say...your presence has been requested.

RSVP this forum please.

Ooops. I forgot to mention that the "Jidadist" Matires also get to enjoy, besides here on "Space-Ship Momma Poppa Earth, to sleep with a Harloom of 72 Virgins in some static Mohamad imagined heaven heaven.

Is this why there was such bold force in dieing to Smash Hijacked airplanes into Sky Scrapers? So that "the Magnificant-19" can havea 72 Virgin orgy? Wow!

Hay, How about Blowing up the KABBA & the Al Aqsa Gold Dome in Jerusalem, as the rumer has it?!??!!

All chroinc problems in the Middle East being in Lebanon, Afganistan, Iraq or Palestine are generated by one malicious power house named Israel. The unlimited support of the US to Israel from 1948 till now ,and the illegal creation of Israel on the ruins of Palestine, has led to unmatched state of disappointment and despair in the Middle East, which in turn has led to the creation of terrorist groups who are ready to sacrifice their own bodies in a holy war agianst Israel and US interests, not only in the Middle East but all over the world.
What do we expect from a palestinian refugee who has been deprived of all his belongings and thrown out of his country to live in a refugee camp for more than 60 years now.
The war in Iraq is nothing but an Israeli war unfortunately fought with US blood and US taxpayer's money.It is time for the US admin to wake up to the real cause of all problems in the area and to change its foreign policy categorically.

All chroinc problems in the Middle East being in Lebanon, Afganistan, Iraq or Palestine are generated by one malicious power house named Israel. The unlimited support of the US to Israel from 1948 till now ,and the illegal creation of Israel on the ruins of Palestine, has led to unmatched state of disappointment and despair in the Middle East, which in turn has led to the creation of terrorist groups who are ready to sacrifice their own bodies in a holy war agianst Israel and US interests, not only in the Middle East but all over the world.
What do we expect from a palestinian refugee who has been deprived of all his belongings and thrown out of his country to live in a refugee camp for more than 60 years now.
The war in Iraq is nothing but an Israeli war unfortunately fought with US blood and US taxpayer's money.It is time for the US admin to wake up to the real cause of all problems in the area and to change its foreign policy categorically.

What do have arabs and nazis have in common?

If you didn't know!!!... Its their hatred for jews.

Get over it haters. Israel will not be defeated by spineless arab armies!!!

Reygal

Dear Faithless,

Your rationale is sound and clear and shines through all the noise in this site. As you point out, religion does have some benefit when it comes to soothing the wounds of injustice. Also, some need promise of a reward to resist wrong actions that can benefit them. Many of us, when facing death of a loved one, need to believe they passed on to a better place. And for some, all the effort to better themselves sounds hollow if it can end in eventual nothingness. One way or another we all need to have faith that there is a purpose in life.

Religion becomes harmful when it is divisive. When people think they are the only ones that know the absolute truth (often by just being born into it!) and everybody outside their faith is of inferior mind, when people think they are the chosen ones with god given rights, or when people think they are duty bound to spread their beliefs forcefully, religion becomes destructive.

Your solution for the Arab-Israeli problem is ideal but I’m afraid impractical. Nothing could be better than for everybody to keep their religions at home and govern themselves through deliberation with all citizens of a single and united country. But the reason Jews have moved to Israel is to emphasis their Jewish identity in both religious and racial forms. For that, many have passed better opportunities in the developed societies of Europe and America. Without it, in a multi-racial, multi-ethnic and religiously diverse society of which they will be a minority, there is little incentive to stay. So, the single country solution for the Jews is equal to leaving the Middle East. They have invested too much to agree to that.

It leaves us with the 2 state solution. It is conceivable to believe that Palestinians will agree to it if theirs would be a truly sovereign one. With all matters of resource distribution and security obligation solved, still remains the geographical problem of having one state in 2 separate lands. Pakistan tried it for a while with Western and Eastern parts with India in between. Eastern part is now Bangladesh. It is clear even now that Palestine would have the same problem. If some land swap is possible, then with a little courage and a lot of negotiations, 2 state solution would be achievable.

Wow! Ya One-Onemore.

frank collins:
U say "all jews must kill themselves or leave the earth."
I say that would be a good idea-the world would be peaceful then.

frank collins:
U say "all jews must kill themselves or leave the earth."
I say that would be a good idea-the world would be peaceful then.

frank collins:
U say "here is the real summary of the saudi plan

all jews must kill themselves or leave the earth."
I say that would be a good idea-the world would be peaceful then.

Ted Baines:
"israel," the racist jewish apartheid state is an Absolute Evil and Only Evil can come out of it. What happened since the creation of that evil 60-years ago except destruction of a whole nation of Palestine,the occupation and torture of its people.

jews should leave Palestine and go back to where they came from-and leave the disposessed Palestinians lick their wounds and reapir the jewish destruction. the sooner the jews leave the better.

but u are free in ur land. U are free to do business, trade, study, move from one area to the other... These are priviliges that were NEVER given to Palestinians

but u are free in ur land. U are free to do business, trade, study, move from one area to the other... These are priviliges that were NEVER given to Palestinians

what if native indians wanted to reclaim america? What would we do? whose land is it?

Destitute and hopeless people often turn to religion to armor them against suffering and injustice.

The religions of this or any region, however, are not capable of offering the peace, brotherhood, and shared values required to alter the future of this hopeless land.

To the extent that a "Marshall Plan" can relieve the suffering, it can, perhaps, slightly affect the drift towards irrational faith. But since Israel is itself ruled by irrational faith, such a plan is only a half-measure.

god promised this land to no one; god here did not materialize his semen in the womb of a virgin woman. No prophet took the midnight express to heaven by way of Jerusalem. god has no say in the outcome of this tragedy.

Until faith is privatized to the individual and eventually, one may hope, goes extinct, containment should be the only policy practiced by the west--and that only after the west itself excises its own irrational beliefs.

Religious apartheid in a single state cannot work; neither can separate theocracies. Religion as a criterion of governance must be eliminated.

Blair, as envoy, should offer only one service, that of helping each "side" to identify any shared human value. He should somehow do this in a context that includes women, perhaps ONLY women. Whatever accords they can derive from such a discussion will be better than anything put forth to date.

--FIUS

Asim

Muslims should first give back land that they stole from the Jews beginning with your pedophile prophet Muhammad.

That means first half of Saudi Arabia should be given to the Jews.

Then Muslims should leave Gaza and the West Bank. The Jews will turn both into gardens instead of the killing fields they are now.

Roger:
The Palestinians don't need charity from any one:They simply want their ocuppied land back. Besides what peanuts did the US gave to the Palestinians compared to the billions of dollars given to israel in annual subsidies since its queationable and illegitimate creation in 1947/8.
Again the ISSUE is a SIXTY year brutal jewish military occuppation of Palestine and Palestinians-which should end so a one secular democratic state is set up for Palestinians and Jews-the jews who don't like this arrangement can go back peacefully to where they come from.

No harm should be done to the misguided jews who were misguided by racist zionists to come to Palestine-we need a regime change to replace the jewish militaristic theocarcy in Palestine-so both peoples can live togther-and NOT to kill jews. Regime change is not the destruction of jews-this happened in civilized Europe which exported the the problem and guilt of the holocaust to Arab Palestine.

Bashir, The issue is the "TWO in ONE: Israeli Ocuppation and a Palestinian state."

1/// "israel" never ever recognized the existence of the indigenous owners of Palestine, the Palestinian people.Golda Meir once said "What Palestinians?"
2// Israel never implemented a single UN resolution since its anomalous and questionable creation including 181 which created it-by devouring large chunks of the would be Palestine state in 1947.
3/// Jewish terrorist gangs such as Haganah, Stern and Irgun used extreme violence to ethnically cleanse Palestinians and destroyed over five hundred Palestinians villages to prevent their return as per UN 194-which 60 years later Israel still refuses to implement.
4// No land or resources left whatsoever for a Palestinian state: Israel occupied 78%of Arab historic Palestine in 1947/8 and 22% (West Bank, Gaza and most importantly Jerusalem which was built by the Canaanite Arabs long before there ever were jews on earth) in 1967s AND it annexed over 50% of the West Bank, Gaza, and Jerusalem-leaving 10% of original Arab historic Palestine for a Palestinian state???
5/// Clearly there is only solution: One secular democratic state -like the US-for all Arabs and Jews to replace the racist militaristic Apartheid present exclusively jewish militaristic theocracy.
6/// Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah and others were created in response to the extremely length 60-year brutal israeli military occupation; Hezbollah was created in response to Israeli occupation of Lebanon from 1982 to 2000 when Israel was forced to withdraw.
7///The issue is simple and clear: chronic brutal inhuman miltary Jewish Occupation of all of Arab Palestine for sixty years which have and continues to torment Palestinians and drive them to despair...

So Blair is doomed to fail:he was a Bush stooge and functionary even when he was an elected PM in his own country-now that he Bush is his dierct boss-he will achieve nothing-mark my words.

Alas, even breaching the subject brings on hoards of deep-felt resentment and self-righteous proclamations of fault allocations. A Marshal Plan model could quite well work in the region, but as always the prerequisites remain... humane and intelligent dialog focussed on finding common ground and goals. The wheels of change need to stop spinning in perpetual mud and blood, and the powers-that-be need to rise up together in a common effort to heal all of the deep-seated wounds.

Roger:

Well said! If the Palestinians had used a fraction of the money they have received to build an economy instead of buying weapons and sending overseas it to their leaders' secret bank accounts (how is Soha Arafat doing in Paris these days??), we would be way ahead of today's problems.

Although the Marshall Plan idea is not a bad one, in reality, when the Palestinians were not trying to blow up Israel (intifada 1 and 2), thousands every day worked in Israel, and were making good money that they could use to better themselves and build a good life for them and their families.

Nothing more is needed than for the Palestinians to realize that if they stop attacking Israel they have the chance to be integrated economically into the strongest economy in the region. Both they and the Israelis would prosper. And if the oil-rich Arab countries want to help them build factories, malls, houses, etc - all the better!

Europe and the U.S. have already given enough to the Palestinian authority to make the Marshall plan look parsimonious. But the Marshall Plan was predicated on peaceful projects to build up the economy. The U.S. is now giving money to finance one side in a civil war. The same mistake we made in Afghanistan and El Salvador. The American (and European) taxpayer get no percentage from giving money to corrupt Fatah officials at the same time as Israel, which is largely bankrolled by the U.S., is bombing and bulldozing anything the Palestinians manage to build.

One poster to this thread has said that the Jews should be sent back to Russia. It would be a travesty to force Jews from Lithuania and Poland to go to Russia - but the RUSSIANS who have settled on Palestinian land on the West Bank have no business there. They should go back to their ancestral homeland where all agree they have all rights that accrue to a Russian citizen. Those that don't agree to that must think that Anne Frank wasn't REALLY entitled to German citizenship, being Jewish. Maybe that is Tony Blair's position, as he seems to heading to the church of the Inquisition.

The appointment of the Thief of Baghdad as envoy from the 'Quartet' is even more tone-deaf than the appointment of Wolfowitz to the World Bank. It's a gratuitous insult to the Arab nation, and ensures that there will be no two-state solution. The Guardian says that he has begun taking Catholic communion., and that he will likely be announcing his conversion to Catholicism. Will he don a crusader's mantle as he fords the Jordan? Maybe there IS something to Huntington's Crash of Civilizations theory, after all.

Official translation of the full text of a Saudi-inspired peace plan adopted by the Arab summit in Beirut, 2002.

The Arab Peace Initiative
The Council of Arab States at the Summit Level at its 14th Ordinary Session,
Reaffirming the resolution taken in June 1996 at the Cairo Extra-Ordinary Arab Summit that a just and comprehensive peace in the Middle East is the strategic option of the Arab countries, to be achieved in accordance with international legality, and which would require a comparable commitment on the part of the Israeli government,
Having listened to the statement made by his royal highness Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, crown prince of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, in which his highness presented his initiative calling for full Israeli withdrawal from all the Arab territories occupied since June 1967, in implementation of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, reaffirmed by the Madrid Conference of 1991 and the land-for-peace principle, and Israel's acceptance of an independent Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital, in return for the establishment of normal relations in the context of a comprehensive peace with Israel,
Emanating from the conviction of the Arab countries that a military solution to the conflict will not achieve peace or provide security for the parties, the council:
1. Requests Israel to reconsider its policies and declare that a just peace is its strategic option as well.
2. Further calls upon Israel to affirm:
I- Full Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied since 1967, including the Syrian Golan Heights, to the June 4, 1967 lines as well as the remaining occupied Lebanese territories in the south of Lebanon.
II- Achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem to be agreed upon in accordance with U.N. General Assembly Resolution 194.
III- The acceptance of the establishment of a sovereign independent Palestinian state on the Palestinian territories occupied since June 4, 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital.
3. Consequently, the Arab countries affirm the following:
I- Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict ended, and enter into a peace agreement with Israel, and provide security for all the states of the region.
II- Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace.
4. Assures the rejection of all forms of Palestinian patriation which conflict with the special circumstances of the Arab host countries.
5. Calls upon the government of Israel and all Israelis to accept this initiative in order to safeguard the prospects for peace and stop the further shedding of blood, enabling the Arab countries and Israel to live in peace and good neighbourliness and provide future generations with security, stability and prosperity.
6. Invites the international community and all countries and organisations to support this initiative.
7. Requests the chairman of the summit to form a special committee composed of some of its concerned member states and the secretary general of the League of Arab States to pursue the necessary contacts to gain support for this initiative at all levels, particularly from the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States of America, the Russian Federation, the Muslim states and the European Union.

For purposes of comparison, the following is an earlier draft discussed by Arab foreign ministers on 25 March, 2002, in advance of the summit:
The Council of the Arab League, which convenes at the level of a summit on March 27-28, 2002 in Beirut, affirms the Arab position that achieving just and comprehensive peace is a strategic choice and goal for the Arab states.
After the Council heard the statement of Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz in which he called for the establishment of normal relations in the context of a comprehensive peace with Israel, and that Israel declares its readiness to withdraw from the occupied Arab territories in compliance with United Nations resolutions 242 and 338 and Security Council resolution 1397, enhanced by the Madrid conference and the land-for-peace principle, and the acceptance of an independent, sovereign Palestinian state with al-Quds al-Sharif as its capital, the Council calls on the Israeli government to review its policy and to resort to peace while declaring that just peace is its strategic option.
The Council also calls on Israel to assert the following:
Complete withdrawal from the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including full withdrawal from the occupied Syrian Golan Heights and the remaining occupied parts of south Lebanon to the June 4, 1967 lines.
To accept to find an agreed, just solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees in conformity with Resolution 194.
To accept an independent and sovereign Palestinian state on the Palestinian lands occupied since June 4, 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and with Jerusalem (al-Quds al-Sharif) as its capital in accordance with Security Council Resolution 1397.
In return, the Arab states assert the following:
To consider the Arab-Israeli conflict over and to enter into a peace treaty with Israel to consolidate this.
To achieve comprehensive peace for all the states of the region.
To establish normal relations within the context of comprehensive peace with Israel.
The Council calls on the Israeli government and the Israelis as a whole to accept this initiative to protect the prospects of peace and to spare bloodshed so as to enable the Arab states and Israel to coexist side by side and to provide for the coming generations a secure, stable and prosperous future.
It calls on the international community with all its organisations and states to support the initiative.
The Council calls on its presidency, its secretary general and its follow-up committee to follow up on the special contacts related to this initiative and to support it on all levels, including the United Nations, the United States, Russia, the European Union and the Security Council.

Whoever thinks an anti Muslim, pro Israeli politician who showed his subservient side for 5 plus years can be an honest broker and help resolve the Palestinian problem is in need to a shrink badly.

Mr. Bashir Goth is an ingorant person for thinking a Marshall Plan can resolve the plight of Muslims while their fellow Muslim leaders Mubarak and company sit back and enjoy life.

While the poor Palestinians live in misery.

How reprehensible!

Dear Bashir Goth,

I'm sure you are familiar with the phrase, "Without security, nothing can be built."

And while I applaud your idealistic approach to a permanent solution, unless terrorism unconditionally surrenders to the will of the people to live in peace, nothing will change for the better. Unless of course the international community invades and forces that unconditional surrender at gunpoint, enforcing the rule of law till the people can properly govern themselves.

If one elects a terrorist government, that does not in itself change the nature of it, nor give any credibility or right of recognition per se...simply because folks were lead to believe Hamas represented their best interests. I believe just the opposite has become manifest.

Palestinians could if they chose to, manifest far more progress towards independence from 1 week of peaceful protest and petition of international fora than the methodology of terror and insecurity will ever grant them in their lifetime.

Kind of hard politically for the democratic state of Israel to stop a peace march with a tank, don't you think?

However, so long as Hamas is giving the Palestinian people nothing to count on in the future except a bloodbath, tanks and other means of counterterrorism will be a part of that future. And nothing will be built, except more fear and hatred.

If Muslim nations truly wish the best for their Palestinian brothers and sisters, then they must first condemn terrorism as "harim" and those that engage in it and sponsor it, "apostates of Islam", and act on this with extreme prejudice to protect the global community of Islam.

Then perhaps your good thoughts will find fertile ground for practical implementation.

Regards from America,

EJ

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all hat, no cattle Tony B. will not accomplish a thing. he will leave the post before the end of this year and pass it on to someone else.

All chroinc problems in the Middle East being in Lebanon, Afganistan, Iraq or Palestine are generated by one malicious power house named Israel.
Unless the USA stop their unlimited support to Israel and adopt a categorically new and fair foreign policy in the Middle East, hatered and bloodshed will unfortunately continue to persist in the area.
The only beneficiary from th war in Iraq is AIPAC and Israel.In fact, it is nothing but an Israeli war fought with US blood and US taxpaer's money.

Att: S A M, et al;

I am the Son Of an old zionist. And I grew uop with beautiful Palestinian friends.

No Palestinian has ever "Patented" and or "Copy Righted" any thing under a Government.

When My father payed $500 American Dollars, to a Nice Palestinian Family in Affula, Israel, it was ceawling with Snakes, Scorpions & 100 Leggers & A bunch Rocks Strewn All Over The Place!

So, guess Who Turned Palestine [Caanin] into a own Paradise?

P.S., The Same Palestinian family that sold his home to ours dad [We never stole anything from good Arabs] also bought another one 2 miles down the road. And they Then Bought afew more real estate holdings.

So you, see Palestinian "DIOSPORA" is created by Stupid arogant Palestinian Leadership & their feeble minded followers.

Like G.W. Bush told "Abbas", "You're either With Israel & friends or You Are Against U.S."

Just send ALL the jews back to Russia and the Palestinians will be just fine. The Palestinians never had any problems before the invasion and occupation by these communist hate filled jews bent on the extermination of the Palestinian people.

Very few people know that the biggest theft in history took place in 1948 when Israelis forced helpless civilian Palestiniansboth Moslems and Christians, by military force to leave their homes and belongings and turned them into refugees in neighboring countries until this day.We are talking here about tens of cities and hundreds of villages with an estimate value of billions of US DOLLARS.Any compensation paid now to Palestinians will equal only a little fraction of the amounts unduly lost to the international thieves of the 20th centurry,the Israelis.

Arabs can't fight and don't want a peace deal.

What can Israel do?

Israel was ready to commit to a land for peace deal aftert right after the 6-day 1967 war. The problem is that the other side will never accept anything short of decimation of Israel.

I lived in the middle east so I know what I'm talking about.

My point is no matter how large of a bribe you offer the palestinians, it will not change the arab people's ultimate objective which to destroy Isreal. And that is not going to happen.

- Raygal

This would be a good idea except for its infeasibility.

In the 40 years since the '67 War, I do not recall any Arab or Muslim country coming online to fork over funds to help the Palestinians, other than to increase their isolation by arming them to fight an unwinnable war.

The author suggests President Bush is not smart enough to run the show when the former, savvier, more sophisticated Chief Executive could not induce the PLO to make peace with Israel.

I was assigned to the Multinational Forces in 1992 which oversaw the peace beteween Egypt and Israel. I saw a peaceful West Bank because the PLO was trying to develop the Oslo Accords and the run-up to a full peace, but it was obvious by 2002 that the "peace" was phoney and contrived as an expedient step to attaining PLO goals.

Bush saw this at the time the arms shipment was found which Arafat lied about. The author is wrong on who is informed here about the REAL WORLD in Palestine.

Furthermore, I would NOT use any American funds for any worthy Marshall Plan so the money could be drained away and few Palestinians would ever benefit from the investment.

Fatah or Hamas, or whoever runs the Palestinian "government", is either too corrupt, inept, decetiful, and incapable of seeking true justice in a peaceful world. I'd hate to think these are universal characteristics in the region, but someone prove me wrong.

As George Will once noted, the Plaestinian leadership is woeful. In WW I, they backed the Kaiser; in WW II they backed Hitler; in the Gulf War, they backed Saddam Hussein. They have backed losers. This is for whom we want to send large amounts of cash? In post - WW II Europe, we could see that a peaceful Europe would be in our interest. I am 54 now and for my entire life Israel has been fighting, well and poorly, against folks who just cannot stop the battle.

If the author really has his act together he would recognize how bogus this idea is. Maybe he should call the White House b/c the smart guy there is wasting any more of American money on a sink hole in Palestine.

Att: P A L I - American:

You are wrong Or misinformed aboput the "Green Houses"!

Some Palestinians are like "Animals" having No Class, No Style No Class, let alone self induced Low Class making.

Your People (Sharia Palestinians), not my "People" (Secular Istaelis) destroyed over 100,000,000 "Cash Crop" Vegetable/Fruit Farms industry. Yopur People Killed and destroyed a "Self Sustaining" source of food!

If they do not know what they did with green houses, then how will or do they know what they are doing now in "Anarchy Gaza Palestine, (aNTI iSRAEL) compared to West Bank Secular (Together peacefully with iSRAEL) ?????

Do not play BLAME-GAME HERE Boy. They need to set asdide Rock Throwing and Koran Throwing & then build a Secular Government. Just Admitt that you have gotten Religion from Jews & now ExJews, a/k/a Secular-Man of Israel can help you become famous & wealthy. But They only know how to Destroy & steel other peoples Wives & Belongings , Patents & Copy Rights ... Things like that , NO

Pali-America no?

Give more money to the Palestinians? Why not?
We give away our money to Isreal. Give them both money but don;t leave any for Dafur, AIDS or poverty at home.

We have taxation without representation. Our Congress is a joke. We support racists who hate each other and spend our money trying to kill each other like the Jews and Palistinians and the Shias and Sunnis in Iraq. What's in it for Cheney?

Give more money to the Palestinians? Why not?
We give away our money to Isreal. Give them both money but don;t leave any for Dafur, AIDS or poverty at home.

We have taxation without representation. Our Congress is a joke. We support racists who hate each other and spend our money trying to kill each other like the Jews and Palistinians and the Shias and Sunnis in Iraq. What's in it for Cheney?