Mr bashir goth they way u did assessment and description of being prostitute..we.politician.and woman who sell her bodies fro mony..i agree with you..moral.religion,faith are only in mosqe .churches.in temples u come and see here in this city ,,dubai.bangkok of gulf,,looks rulers r very religies but every one knows the sex trade and many abusing report from child joky to woman auction r going on here..who knows???????all we can see ?????but where is moral......thanks

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"Do you really need to have this pointed out to you? The woman isn't having furtive sex with 25 strangers a day, for one thing. With the rich man she has some kind of relationship and acquaintance. Presumably if they are living together they share conversations, interaction, decisions, maybe even children -- more than just 10 to 30 minutes of wham-bam sexual contact, after which they never see each other again."
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In the mist of criticizing his question...you missed the point of why he asked it. The comparison of a woman who sells her body to "25 strangers a day" to that of a woman who marries a rich man served to demonstrate that the woman has jurisdiction over her life and her body, NOT you or me. Obviously anyone who is no longer wearing diapers could name the differences between the two examples. Your idea for the perfect 'woman marries rich man' lifestyle seems charming in comparison to the lifestyle of the prostitute, but the point wasn't that you or I should decide what someone does with their body, or what constitutes a beneficial male-female relationship. Despite what we say or feel, people will still trade sex for money. That is a fact.

The key here is that she has the choice to do what she will with her life and body, and should be protected if she chooses to be a prostitute. For that reason the legalization of prostitution in combination with the use of a controlled environment such as that of Nevada's brothels is a progressive step towards protecting people who will otherwise be putting themselves in harms way.

Self respect is worthless if you're broke.

Prostitution >>> Being proud & starving.

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Adam Hoesing:
"I do not believe that the majority of the prostitutes in our country do it for higher goals. It is absurd to believe that the role of the prostitution profession is that of a stepping stone to higher living."

Unfortunately, Sir, you may be right. I don't have the statistics for streetwalkers versus massage marlour attendants versus independent escorts - and I doubt that reliable statistics exists on this matter.

But please don't forget that there is also a segment out there who belong to middle class and enter escorting to pay tuition fees, get out of debt or build savings. I don't know the exact size of that segment relative to others, but it is growing. There are indeed prostitutes doing their Masters at Columbia. You would just never recognize them since social stigma forces us into hiding.

I do not believe that the majority of the prostitutes in our country do it for higher goals. It is absurd to believe that the role of the prostitution profession is that of a stepping stone to higher living. The fact that you did not point out because it would decimate your argument is that most prostitutes work in the slums and ghettos desparetly exchanging their "goods" for drugs. They grew up in the environment and that is where they wish to be. If a social work set them up with a low wage job such as McDonalds or an occupation of that type, I find it hard to beleive that they would trade in their high heel for a nine to five. If a higher career is what they are looking for, then they can easily find a job working labor or working fast food. Would not that be the same thing as selling yourself out for higher goals. Plus, I would like to add that your example of a wife taking abuse is a fairly abstract example for your reasoning.

"Sexual prostitutes who trade their bodies for money to survive, feed their children, or use it as a bridge to a higher career are not different from anyone of us who genuflects before his or her boss, toils under humiliating circumstances, and undertakes sometimes outrageous, dehumanizing and underpaid jobs to put bread on the table or get some favor to advance a career. Only we pride ourselves on not bearing a stigma because our prostitution is legal." GOD BLESS YOU MR. GOTH!!! Just this week I picked up my significant other from work and as she told me about her day she felt the need to qualify her bosses name with "blank, THE BOSS". THAT ALMOST SET ME OFF! I HATED THAT!!! I MEAN, REALLY SIR, WHO DO THESE IGNORANT PRICKS THINK THEY ARE!!! THE ONES WHO DEMAND RESPECT INSTEAD OF EARNING IT!!! One of the absolute best "managers" I have ever had the distinct pleasure of working *with* is a female Artist named Jill. I love that woman. I would work my tail off for her and then say Thank you Maam, may I have another task!!! She did not demand respect from me, I bestowed it upon her because she was a worthy manager who cared about the welfare of those under her authority! Conversely, one of the worst pricks I have ever had to deal with was a jerk named Joe. If he was in front of me right now I would punch his face in! He demanded respect, while he earned scorn. It is that simple, or that complex. Thank you Sir, and again, God Bless you and yours for sharing your crystal clear vision of reality with us. May God continue to Bless us through your many gifts from God and may you reap seven fold what you sow. amen.

"What is the difference between a woman giving herself to a man for money, and a woman marrying a man because he is rich?"

Do you really need to have this pointed out to you? The woman isn't having furtive sex with 25 strangers a day, for one thing. With the rich man she has some kind of relationship and acquaintance. Presumably if they are living together they share conversations, interaction, decisions, maybe even children -- more than just 10 to 30 minutes of wham-bam sexual contact, after which they never see each other again.

Faux-naive, willfully stupid questions are annoying, Jay. Regardless of your pose, I am sure you would prefer that your daughter marry a man who is rich (even a Republican!) rather than sell her body to strangers. I certainly hope so.

Yes, we all "prostitute" ourselves, but that does not make us all prostittues. Further analyzation of the word itself leads us down a road of perception and misconception. The word prostitute is viewed in a negative light, but why?
Who has the right to determine what a person can do with their body?
What is the difference between a woman giving herself to a man for money, and a woman marrying a man because he is rich? It is a personal choice. Legalizing, and maintaining a system of accountability (such as NEVADA does), serves to legitimize what a person has the right to do.
I wouldn't want my daughter to be a prostitute, . . . or a republican for that matter, but if she chose to be either, I would still love her and respect that it was a decision she made, without coersion.

So OK, Mr Goth, you are an enlightened moral relativist and prostitution is fine by you. Would you like it if your wife were a prostitute and slept with strange men for money? Your sister? Would you enjoyed it growing up if your mother had a reputation for spreading her legs for the neighbor boys to make a few bucks? Funny, many people, particularly men are blase about prostitution until you ask them those questions.

Sure, "we are all prostitutes" at times, but there are degrees of damage we can choose not to inflict upon ourselves. To participate in sex with someone we love separates us from animals. It elevates love and sex both. If you sell something precious like this for money, you degrade it. Sex just becomes another commodity.

Your airy comparison willfully ignores the emotional and psychological coarsening effect of prostitution and the fact that men and women are still not equal in society.

Excellent aricle MR. Goth. Can't agree with you more on what you wrote.

Excellent article by MR. Goth. I have always said the same that he has said that we all prostitute ourselves, some way another.

There are two definitions in the dictionary for the word prostitution. One which I’m sure most of you are referring to states: a person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment; the second which most of us are overlooking states: 1 offer (someone) as a prostitute. 2 put to an unworthy or corrupt use for the sake of gain.

I agree with Goth that to some extent a lot of us in our lifetime will sell ourselves to advance in the workplace/career. Some will sell their decency, respect, pride, integrity, even their soul.

However, I do not agree at all with the idea that a woman should sell her body for money. Aside, from all the morally wrong reasons; women are subject to so much more harm than “a housewife with a brute husband”... What about all of the detrimental effects of diseases, drugs, violence, and even mental damage brought on by this life? I doubt most women who are working the “oldest profession” are doing this by choice.

Speaking as a Muslim, daughter and sister I feel morally obliged to say that prostitution should not be promoted if anything we (Muslims) are the ones who should try to eradicate it!

Thank you all for a lively discussion on this thread. Victor, could you please email us at postglobal@washingtonpost.com?

Sure, a very bold and brave piece, and an 'uncomfortable' one for most to accept that 'we' too engage into 'prostitution' of some form or other in our daily lives!

I see it as the "height of hypocrisy" to condemn only the women involed in this oldest form of trade and not the men who 'paid' for (non-)consenting sex.

I repeat that prostituting one's SOUL is worst than prostituting one's BODY.

"I am your younger brother Harawe,i feel sickness shyness and never be happy all this disgusting articals you wrote all time my dear Brother Bashir ,eeg huuno halka uu aabbaheen ka tagnaa waxa aad mar waliba ka hadlayso,waxanse garan lahay waxaad soo waddo,iyo waxa kugu kalifiya waxan aad qoraysid ee micna ay leeyihiin jirin ceeb iyo magac xumo mooye,please stooooooooooooooooooop"

Mission accomplished! Kudus postglobal blog. This is one of the high points of this forum since I started reading and posting comments in here.
Those of you non Somalis Bashir Goth's younger brother have been living for the last three decades in Netherlands and the Quebec providence of Canada.
In contrast, Bashir Goth lived in the Arabian Gulf and Somalia for all his life.
Did anyone anyone notice the irony we are witnessing here?
The old brother who have been living in regions and cultures where freedom of speech is not allowed or if it is allowed it is censored is openly writing about topics that are considered taboo in his part of the world.
The younger brother who have been living in places where the envelope is pushed if you will is trying to silence his older brother.
I commend Bashir and thank him for opening the eyes of many of his readers from all the corners the world. I for one enjoy reading Bahir's writings and work. He does not hold punches. He objectively and brilliantly addresses the issues at hand.He openly comes across as someone who is in not here for publicity contest but the speak hsi mind.
Religion, sex, and politics are entertwined and have been hot issues in all man's history. Those of us who read and write having to count our blessings by throwing words at each other or about each other.
In many parts of the world those who disagree solve thier difference at the barel of the gun.
Once again, by reading two brothers whom I know who are far apart in thier perspectives of life and views of the issues to discuss is good accomplishment of this blog.
Again, Kudus postglobal and its moderators by flooring pertinent timely topics not matter how taboo or hot potatoes some of the topics seem to certain persons.

Mr Goth,

There is no need for justifying the exploitation of women by legalized prostitution or Shiite Motta practice if the government instead of taxing them protects those women and pays welfare to them and put the criminal pimps into prison. We are now living in a global village and the social system has evolved from the stone age where this business started.

Many of the prostitutes in Western countries with social welfare are illegal sex slaves smuggled from eastern Europe and it is closely linked to crime.

What is the psychological pressure on those prostitute women and their family? And how one feels if one's sister or mother practices prostitution?

For the sake of intellectual argument I agree with Bashir Goth. Most of us are to some extent and at some times, prostitutes in order to survive. But his argument is made in leisure, by someone who gets reasonable (i.e. equitable) compensation for his prostitution and who's knee-bending doesn't destroy him physically.

The problem with prostitution is that in most countries where it is illegal, it lacks the necessary protections to guarantee freedom from physical and emotional harm.

In the 18th and 19th century, being a worker in a factory entailed severe dangers and the daily effort was not just doing the work, but primarily, staying alive. Scores of workers died from inhuman work conditions. That didn't change until so many protests, strikes and worker revolts brought on laws obliging factory owners to provide safer work conditions.

Such protections don't exist while prostitution is illegal. Legalizing prostitution is a step towardsproviding such safeguards, and towards its disappearance, which should really be the goal, the same way that the most dangerous and painful tasks for male workers disappeared, because the factory owner's risk was too high.

While exploitation of one kind or another for unrightful gain will likely always persist, sexual exploitation is not just money related. In the west, where leisure sex is legal, for a man to use a prostitute and pay for onesided gratification, is really a need to abuse, humiliate, rape, all the way to murder, in revenge of his own life's pain. That is at best sick and it has to disappear.

As the 19th century had to concede to the rights of the child and to the necessity for gentler treatment of women, so the 21st century will have to concede to the protection of prostitutes and eventual elimination of prostitution and abuse of women, and pursue that complementary other side: the liberation of the male.

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Boy, while I totally agree that prostitution should be legal, I think that this is the last argument that should be made to support it.

I live in Nevada, where prostitution is legal in counties with under 400,000 people. About 11 counties allow it. In the 30 year history of legalized prostitution in Nevada NOT ONE CASE OF AIDS has ever been attributed to a legal brothel. There are no underage prostitutes. The prostitutes are tested every week for STDs and condoms are required.

So there are little if any STDs transmitted, zero underage exploitation, and it actually brings business (in the "oldest profession") to rural places. This has always sounded to me like a solution!

I like promoting the safety issues of legalizing prostitution rather than explaining to everyone that they are prostitutes in their own way. Convincing everyone that they are prostitutes too, seems devisive at best.

Thanks.

I am surprised that Americans still try to pretend that polygamy is an Eastern, African or Middle Eastern concern. In 1946 in Cleveland vs. the United States, the U.S. Supreme Court determined that taking females over borders for polygamous marriage was a violation of the Mann Act. This decision was based on a case in which a mentally handicapped girl was taken over the border for polygamy. It may suprise people to know that it was the FLDS/UEP polygamists on trial and this is the same group headed by Warren Jeffs imprisoned this year for performing marriages with underaged girls and married men and in particular a 14 year old girl to her cousin. Since 1946, the FLDS continued to transport girls to and from Canada and Mexico in violation of the law and even though this was repeatedly reported to news media and federal law enforcement nothing was done. Many teenaged girls ended up in Winston Blackmore's bed in Canada. In order to satisfy the unending need for wives, incest (The Davis Cooperative/Kingston Clan now states that incest is their religious right as well as polygamy), stepfather/daughter marriages, coerced marriages, and child marriages (one leader Alex Joseph married a nine year old girl in the 1990s)while America turned a blind eye. Please don't point the finger at the Muslims when many groups in America practice polygamy including Aryan Nation White Supremists polygamist groups, Mormon off-shoot cults, and so-called "Christian" polygamist cults just to name a few.

Prostitution in Japan has a long and varied history. While the Anti-Prostitution Law of 1956 made organised prostitution illegal, various loopholes, liberal interpretations of the law and loose enforcement have allowed the sex industry to prosper and earn an estimated 2.5 trillion yen a year.

Baishun, literally "selling spring" or "selling youth", has turned from a mere euphemism into a legal term used in, for instance, the name of the 1956 Anti-Prostitution Law (Baishun-bōshi-hō); the modern meaning of the word is quite specific and is usually only used for actual (i.e., illegal) prostitution. Mizu shōbai), the "water trade", is a wider term that covers the entire entertainment industry, including the legitimate, the illegal, and the borderline. Fūzoku , lit. "public morals", is commonly used to refer specifically to the sex industry, although in legal use this covers also e.g. dance halls and gambling and the more specific term seifūzoku , "sexual morals", is used instead.

Shinto does not regard sex as a taboo, while the impact of Buddhist teachings regarding sex has been limited.

In 1617, the Tokugawa Shogunate issued an order restricting prostitution to certain areas located on the outskirts of cities. The three most famous were Yoshiwara in Edo (present-day Tokyo), Shinmachi in Osaka, and Shimabara in Kyoto.

Prostitutes and courtesans were licensed as yūjo , "women of pleasure", and ranked according to an elaborate hierarchy, with oiran and later tayū at the apex. The districts were walled and guarded to ensure both taxation and access control. Rōnin, masterless samurai, were not allowed in and neither were the prostitutes let out, except once a year to see the sakura cherry blossoms and to visit dying relatives.

The Opening of Japan and the subsequent flood of Western influences into Japan brought about a series of changes. Japanese novelists, notably Higuchi Ichiyo, started to draw attention to the confinement and squalid existence of the lower-class prostitutes in the red-light districts. In 1908, Ministry of Home Affairs Ordinance No. 16 penalized unregulated prostitution.

Escaping poverty in their own land, many Japanese women, known as Karayuki-san (lit. "gone to China"), worked (or were sold) as prostitutes into South-East Asia (especially Singapore), Siberia, Hawaii, Australia, and even some parts of India and Africa.

During World War II, the Japanese military procured prostitutes for its soldiers in China. Some were Japanese, but the majority were obtained from other countries occupied by Japan. Many if not most of these so-called "comfort women" were tricked or coerced into service. The women were kept until they contracted diseases and then discarded. They received minimal or no compensation, and many survivors are still seeking compensation in Japanese courts.

After the war, SCAP abolished the licensed prostitution system in 1946. In 1947, Imperial Ordinance No. 9 punished persons for enticing women to act as prostitutes, but prostitution itself remained legal. Only the Anti-Prostitution Law of 1956 (No. 118, passed May 24, 1956)—reportedly spurred by alarming rates of venereal disease among troops—made organised prostitution illegal.

The Anti-Prostitution Law of 1956 did not make practicing prostitution illegal. It did prohibit the following: soliciting for purposes of prostitution, procuring a person for prostitution, coercing a person into prostitution, receiving compensation from the prostitution of others, inducing a person to be a prostitute by paying an "advance", concluding a contract for making a person a prostitute, furnishing a place for prostitution, engaging in the business of making a person a prostitute, and the furnishing of funds for prostitution.

However, the definition of prostitution is strictly limited to coitus. This means sale of numerous sex acts such as oral sex, anal sex, and other non-coital sex acts are all legal. The Businesses Affecting Public Morals Regulation Law of 1948, Fūzoku eigyō torishimari ,, amended in 1985 and 1999, regulates these businesses.

The sex industry in Japan uses a variety of names. Soaplands are bath houses where customers are soaped up and serviced by staff. Fashion health shops and pink salons are notionally massage or esthetic treatment parlors, and image clubs are themed versions of the . Call girls operate via delivery health services.

Freelancers can get in contact with potential customers via telekura (telephone clubs), and the actual act of prostitution is legally fudged by terming it as enjo kōsai or "compensated dating".

One word answer: never.

Longer answer. How will a woman ever qualify for unemployment if there is always a "job" therefor available?

How can we reconstrut society so that any mother who won't let a man do what he wants with her to pay for (child's medical bill, the rent, whatever) is a bad mother because she won't just do it for the love of someone else?

Making prostitution legal makes prostitutes of every one of us women.

And no, it doesn't ever compare to any of the low-wage retail jobs I've ever held. I never had to lie there and let my boss hurt me!!

You talk about politicians as prostitutes. Don't forget that most of them start out as lawyers (like Tony Blair!), charging by the hour, and eventually they upgrade to ......Bush.

By the way, how will he earn a living after 2008?

As usual, Bashir Goth, bluntly, addressed a topic that is taaboo in both Islamic and Somali culture.
Talking or writing about human sexuality openly let alone legalizing prostitution was not easy for any one in the Somali Islamic culture I grew up.
One of the jokes I repeat around over and over again, is in my freshman year in college I took a biology class with a female South African student. One day we have to disect a frog. My fellow African female asked me "Where is the vagina of the frog?"
I said to her." Do you know that you are the first African female that have ever asked me a question like that in public? You can not tell from my face but I will have blushed if I was white person."
She realized how far we both get away from the religeous upbringings we both grew up, in my Islamic upbringing and in her Catholic upbringing.
We both grew up in cultures where sex without marriage was not allowed and it took for some decades to wait to experience sexual intercourse.
Before I came to the United States I spent four years in Saudi Arabia. In my stay in Saudi Arabia I found out that most of the heineous crimes that took place in Saudi Arabia were sex related. Rapists have better chance of getting away by killing their victims than facing rape charges.
It is ducumented that there are big human smuggling in many parts of the world. Most of the women smuggled and trafficked in many parts of the world are victims of sex trade.
Because of the clamity and magnitude of the sex related crimes that take place in many parts of the world as well as the sexually transmitted diseases that spread through prostitution, I am convinced that legalizing this centuries old human trade may aleviate some of the suffering of many women and reduce many deadly sexually transmitted diseases as HIV-AIDS.

DISPUTATIO,

Are you seriously equating human sexuality with murder? Now THAT's a fallacy of equivocation.

Definitely below the belt and way off the mark!

Listen Mr Goth, there is a minimum content of the term “morality” shared by reasonable majorities of all human beings regardless of their differences. That minimum content unequivocally differentiates the morality of the prostitutes from that of other folks who seek--using other methods--to please others for other purposes.

There is something just uniquely, plainly, distinctively and inherently immoral about taking off your clothes to have sex in exchange for money.Even Howard Stern appreciates this fact!.
Don’t know about you Sir, but I ain’t no prostitute!

Mr. Goth,

Your little rant is exceedingly juvenille. And NO, we do not "all know that morality itself is relative." Who fed you such nonsense?

To equate both selling labor and selling sex with prostitution is to commit the fallacy of equivocation. Are we to believe that those who commit murder for hire are also "prostitutes" who wrongly bear the shame of a moralizing society that has yet to learn that all morality is relative? Rubbish.

Perhaps there are legitimate arguments for legalizing prostitution, but the idea that "we are all prositutes" is not one of them.

i could have sworn that the sexual revolution led to an increase in unemployment among prostitutes. sex used to be something that a guy could get only through marriage or from a prostitute. but now that women are "liberated" he can get it for free.

Without being judgemental, I do not believe selling out to your employer is the same as taking your clothes off, laying down, and allowing another human being to use your body for their own personal self gratification.

Although being a 'slave' to your employer is not normal, I would quit before I lower my self respect and allow others to disrespect me. I ahve done that before and wqould do it agian.

Self respect is priceless!

Prostitution has nothing to do with procreation desires, and more to do with controlling others outcomes using self gratification of others bodies and a lack of resepct for others.

I used to agree with Mr. Goth's position, but after 3 years of living in Japan, and seeing how widespread prostitution has led to a degraded, second-class status for women there, I now believe prostitution should be illegal.

However, I believe prostitutes themselves should not be punished. Only pimps (those who market and sell prostitutes) and johns (customers) should be punished. For johns, I believe that putting their names and photos up on the Web would be punishment enough.

Whether adults decide to sell their bodies to other adults for sexual intercourse should be a private matter. The state should not interfere. There should be no coercion. Prostitution has always been there and will always be there in our society.

One form of prostitution should however be banned. In the society I grew up in prsotitution has been given a unique twist. According to Islamic beliefs a Muslim man may have four wives at a time. He pays a dowry, usually a pittance and the wife has to allow him entry into her body whenever he demands. Thus every Muslim wife is a prostitute. Besides Islam also allows concubinage. Prophet Muhammad had concubines.

Shia Muslims practise "muta". These are temporary marriages. The man pays a sum of money to the woman, they sign a contract that determines the length of the marriage and the true purpose is sex for the man. Many times a muta marriage lasts only a night. Then the Muslim man pronounces "talaaq" three times and the marriage is over.

This exploitation of women in Islam should be ended.