Bashir has again elucidated benefits of tribalism in the modern age with his eloquence. As many of you mentioned, tribal systems have both good and bad within. I believe deficiencies with in tribal systems are not worst than other social systems which could be thought as the opposite e.g. individualism. These defeciencies could be diminished by the modern state policies e.g. justice, welfare and other societal services which target the bonds of tribalism.

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Jama
Helsinki, Finland

I agree with Mr. Bashir in the sense, that the clan-tribal structure remained intact at least in Somaliland. There is a strong functioning clan mechanism for comflict resolution,peace making,community service and civic engagement. This is the magic that have worked so well, that you have seen Somaliland. This is nothing but a different permutation of clans, that are primarily in harmony with each other, and working for the general good for the nation-Somaliland. The success story you see in Somaliland-the best kept secret has come from the mixture of clan elders, intellectuals, the religiuos community and ordinary people. All of the above were working together for one think-the well-being of the nation. The UN, IGAD, the so-called AU and the other do nothing societies failed to bring peace and stability to Somalia, despite wasting billions so much time. Why? They were using wrong top down formulas. All these efforts have failed, because the grassroots touch of the clan elders and their magical methods for addressing clan disputes and conflict resolution is missing.

Darfur genocide is continuing as I speak. The Eriterian conflict has ended with the decisive military victory of the Eriterian people. Rwandan genocide happened at their watch. They failed to resolve the problems in Somalia, and they are still embroiled in using impractical formula after the other.

Good article. Thanks for enlightening the world that Somalis are not so simple and erratic, that they take care of their own very well in time proven manners, that culture is worth studying. Peace

A lesson in community service that no university can teach. Hats off Bashir

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Abdi farah
Somali national Movement (SNM)

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In my ealier response, I just talked about the value and good use of tribalism as I knew it before hell got loose in Somalia. Those of us who left Somalia before the state of Somalia collapsed could not comprehend how life turned for the worst for those Somalis left behind.
In the Somalia I grew up tribes were coplimentary to the state. There were always state institutions. There were governmental agencies as police force, military force and courts. One was rewarded for his/her service in the state agencies and one was punished by the state when one committed crime.
Tribal institutions headed by the Sultans supported by the chiefs were fall back for the state. When skirmishes took place in the country, lives were lost and livestock was taken by force from a weaker person or tribe the tribal heads intervened and solved it. If they could not solve peacefully according to the tribal unwritten norms and customs, the state came in with its force and put the perperators to Jail.
In my view tribalism can never be eradicated in many societies, but there should be effective state that copliments it. There should be a system of government that makes tribes accountable to the rule of law. If any society keeps going on without some kind of governmental institution it is going to be ruled by jungle law, where the survival of the fittest rules.
Let us have some kind of governmental institution and keep the good virtues,values, and respect that the tribal systmes offer.

In a insecure military enviorment, where dominated nations and ruling elite try to subdue the local and indegenious populace through the barrel of gun, people are compeled to look towards Tribes and Clans for identity and political protection.In Pakistan and particularly Balochistan case which is divided in to Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan have been neglected and looted since long by Pakistan and Irans Punjabi-Persian military and religious elites. The Pakistani and Iranian are runing their anti-west campaigns from these remote part of Balochistan and co-operating with Talibans which have annoyed the secular Baloch tribes. Baloch tribes under nationalsit political umberala united to protect their soil, and cultural soul. Rouge States are causing more disharmony and frustration, and they are behind moderanizing Jihadi movements, While Tribal, and National identities are vital to eliminate fundamentalism thinking and rligious aspiration. We belive that blood borders between tribes and divded nations are causing more conflicts and crisis and uniting and redrawning of borders in Iraq, Iran and Pakistan is the solution of Identity Crisis and.

Tribe is a two-edged knife. You can use positively as in the case Goth has mentioned. The tribe provides individuals with necessary economic and social security. But, this can only be maintained when people are coherent to the traditional oral rules for the tribes. This is also true when there is no hostility among the tribe's sub-clans.
The other negative side for tribes is also active, and practiced by Somalis. For example, if an argument arises between two persons, and one of them says; "Tolaayey" in Somali, meaning; "Where is my tribesman?" that little argument will immediately turn into conflict between two tribes.
I believe the state and the tribes are interdependent. Tribes are smallest unit of the state; this is very factual to the Somalis. The state needs many things from the chiefs, or Sultans, who are the leaders of the tribes, for sustaining security, peace and development of the society.
In the case of the defenseless tribes, the government stands with their shoulders. For example, in Somaliland, government constitutes from all tribes that inhabit through out Somaliland territory, stretching Seila in the North West to LasAnod in the East. No tribe can be aggressive to another tribe. They are all under the umbrella of the state. Somaliland encourages tribe structures, because we believe, they are ground for peace and development. Our government gives salary to over hundred of chiefs and Sultans. We respect tribes.

At least in the case of Somalia, Ex-Yogoslavia, and Irag I could say yes.
I am more familiar in the case of Somalia. Since 1978 when Siyad Regime was driven out of Ethiopia and Somalia lost that war, Somalia disintegrated into tribal fiefdoms. The Marjerteen Somali tribe started SODAf, the Isaaqs started SNM, and the Hawiye Started the UC.
Since the fall of the Siyad Bare regime Somalia disintegrated into tribal fiefdoms. Every major Somali tribe called for session from the rest of Somalia.
Now we have the Isaaq land and its nieghbors from the North calling themselves Somaliland. The Majerteen and thier neighbours calling themselves Puntland. The Tigre and Mirifle calling themselves Baodavoland. So on and so forth.
Now we have the Hawiye calling themselves the Union of Ilamic Courts.
As Bashir Goth articulated the tribe was the insurance policy every Somali had by birth without paying dues.
My mother died when I was two years of age. My father disappeared when I was about to start grade one. In one form or another my father's tribes people stepped to the plate. I was given a lot of help by my tirbes people, Eidagle.Though they happen to be my personal friends, the people who helped me go through high school happen to be my tribes people. I was helped too by my tribe when I was coming to the United States of America for higher education in 1980.My distant cousins raised funds for me
Again my tribes people came through too, when I went back to Somalia in 1984. I married my wife without having a lot of money. My Cousins helped me to pay my new wife's wedding expenses as well as her travel expenses to the United States.
Even recently whenever I travel to any part of the world, I am dinned and wined by tribal cousins and relatives.
Though I refused to go that road, I am expected to fight in any form or shape that my tribe tells and demands to do for them. I do know though it is wrong and I do not condone that my tribes people will sacrifice everything including their blood for me.
Tribes and tribalism used to be good and an asset when I was growing up in Somalia. It used to be an insurance that one can fall back to if one could not make by him/herself.
But lately, it became liability. It is used and abused. People use only in the wrong way. It is sad that people now use for killing and revenge only.
There used to be norms and unwritten rules tribal rules that tribes used to respect. Even criminal acts as killing, raping, and robbing or looting tribes where solved by tribal unwritten rules and regulations.
In conclusion, tribalism used to be respected, honored, and valued in positive way. but lately, at least in the Somali case, itis used in distructive bad ways.

Well said brother and Well written too!

Nothing can substitute our beloved lost state. You may have been more diplomatic for responsding to Mr Goth, but I would be blunt in his deceptive way of promoting Somaliland.

The elitest junta in Somaliland has been corrupt and cruel for safeguarding individual freedom and social/economic progress. The distribution of income has not been fair because corruption and mismanagment is rampant in Somaliland. The egalitarian concept of Somali tribes can only be substituted with a just society and strong federal government. Any thing less would be unfair to some tribes considering with our segmented society that competes with resources. As Bashi said, in the absence of state, who can defend the defenceless?

In the absence of the state, individuals may seek sanctuary from thier tribes. It is this period when confederation and collectivization of interest are at the peak. Yet protection and benifit seeking individual is a winner only in so far as that individual belongs to a dominant tribe. Hence protection and benifit tested tribal indentity is the product of weaker state organs. Rational individual knows that there is no state to contract with. Thus, the individual in the dominant tribe knows that he/she is better off in a period of statelesness.

Less dominant tribes are always worse off in a weak state or no state period. Mr Goth's presumption is that when state fails, tribes will pick up the pieces and will pursue in self progressive harmony. This may be true if tribes stick with ultruistic inter/intra clan relations. But remember,conflicts and conquests are utmost interest among competing clans when state organs fails. This is the negative part that Mr Goth overlooks and it is important to mention in order to be fair for the minority tribes and the defenceless members of the Somali society.

On a different note; I am not sure wether different colonial rulers approached somali soceity differently. Tribal chiefs existed long before Richard Burton came to Northern Somalia. Infact, I would argue the opposite, in the sense that British
imperialist weakened the authority of the chiefs and allienated his rulers. In the mind of the colonialists, to empower the chief(s) was to give him a gift from lady Victoria in return for land and masses. That kind of empowerment was detrimental to the aspiration of the Somali society and its ramification was clear during or after the collapse of the Somali state.