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PANMUNJOM, Korea - Before entering the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) my fretful tour guide Michelle Kwak rattles off some restrictions:

1) "No sexy clothes. No tank tops or miniskirts," she says. The North Koreans could photograph you for propaganda purposes and run it under the headline, "South Korea infected by American moral corruption!"

2) "No ripped jeans" for a similar reason. “The North will say Americans, South Koreans, and other democratic countries are so poor they can't afford new trousers."

3) "No alcohol and no pointing," because tensions run high here. A little booze and a little misunderstanding "could start World War III."

4) "Finally, no slippers," because in case Armageddon begins, you won't be able to run away fast enough.

Now sign your life away,” my tour guide says, handing out a liability form relieving them of responsibility in case of “enemy attack.” With a little laugh she adds, “It's worth it.”

Michell's boss and the owner of the tour company, retired South Korean Lieutenant Colonel David Lee pioneered group trips to the Panmunjom "truce village" in the mid 1990s. He's running these tours for political reasons. He hopes they'll convince Americans and Korea's regional allies (South Koreans have to wait six months for clearance before entering Panmunjom so there aren't many of them) to adopt a strong, principled policy toward the North.

I meet Lee in his office at the five-star Lotte Hotel in Seoul. He speaks deliberately, in bullets, like the sharp, dapper businessman he's become.

But two decades ago Lee was one of the stern-faced soldiers staring across the DMZ. Standing in a martial pose, sizing up his enemy twenty feet away, he was always ready for war. He wore his boots at night so he could move quickly in case of a sneak attack.

Gradually, he rose through the ranks of the South Korean Army and soon was spending his days digging boreholes across this 2.5-mile wide, 155-mile long United Nations-secured border looking for North Korean infiltration tunnels. An estimated two dozen of them exist one hundred meters underground. They can convey up to 10,000 North Korean troops per hour across the DMZ.

While hunting for these elusive caverns, Lee grew close to American servicemen, despite the language barrier. U.S. military men provided him satellite images, geological information, high-tech equipment, and actionable intelligence. He was grateful. And he remains convinced that America must remain on the peninsula for the foreseeable future to thwart Northern aggression and check communism's spread (which he believes still threatens the south).

Yet he also understands bubbling resentment toward the United States. While in the service, he claims he always felt that "When it comes to information, if the U.S. government knows something 100%, South Korea knows just 10%. They withhold certain things from us for political reasons." For example, "if Washington wants negotiation with the North while South Korea takes the hard line, they [the United States] might hold back some of its more threatening discoveries from the North."

Lee became ever more convinced of the intelligence imbalance in 1996 when Korean American Robert Kim, a civilian official at the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence, passed 50 classified documents to Seoul. This landed Kim in jail for nearly a decade, and showed Lee just how much more America knew about the North than he did.

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North Korean soldiers march along DMZ.

But his complaint is not directed toward the U.S. military in Korea. He's grateful for American military men and the help they offered him. Instead, he worries about how effective America and South Korea can be toward North Korea when they don't act together. New administrations in each country often bring new approaches to the North, encouraging a dangerous waiting game in Pyongyang. When policies between the U.S. and South Korea aren't aligned, Lee fears they breed miscommunication -- sometimes accidental, sometimes intentional -- between the allies.

In February 2007 the six-party-talks achieved a well-publicized breakthrough when North Korea agreed to close its main nuclear reactor for fuel, food and other aid. But Lee remained suspicious. Then the North celebrated New Years 2008 by missing its deadline to disable the Yongbyon nuclear facility, confirming his fears. “Negotiations have to be more more than talk and showmanship," Lee says.

But from behind my camera, his company's tour of Panmunjom looks like showmanship indeed. An angry North Korean guard breathes grey mist into the cold air while an elderly couple whispers, "He looks like a dragon!"

I keep thinking to myself: “This doesn't look like the 'most dangerous place on the planet Bill Clinton famously described, but it's probably the most dangerous tourist trap.”

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Comments (47)

MIke:

I have viewed the posting(s) and found for the most to be unusual to say the slightest. I was on the “Z” in 1984 when one of the “Friendly” North Korean’s had a disagreement with a defector.

The “Z” was one of the surreal places I lived, at night you could see thousands of stars, animals walking within feet of your foxhole, and mostly it was one of the most frightening places I was ever at. In order to understand the “Z” you had to live it, not just tour it.

M Murphy
“In front of them all” 1984-1985

Vic van Meter:

I've already said that the U.S. isn't going to leave until the South Koreans make them, and the South Koreans aren't going to make them for a VERY long time, if ever. It hardly merits repeating here. I would like to point something out though.

I'm American, and I've seen my share of "America is to blame for ." I'm not saying it's not all true, usually it's pretty exaggerated. But I've never, NEVER IN MY LIFE, seen anything as blatantly jaw-dropping as the North Korean government's story on the United States. The few stories that escape the North are sometimes hard to point at reliably, but I can certainly tell you one thing from what I have gleaned. Either the North Korean people are willing to swallow, or Kim Jong Il is an absolute genius. At least Iran, Venezuela, und so weider have to stop at a zone before they start simply belittling their people.

Kim Jong Il has managed, somehow, to brainwash an entire civilization with a propoganda campaign that seems to insult his peoples' intelligence. I mean, you can make a somewhat obfuscated case that America was the cause and aggressor of the Korean War and that they got on their knees and bowed to an armistice in miserable defeat. That's run of the mill. But it's absolutely staggering what Kim's been able to get away with. The United States government (and the UN by extension) has been laid to blame for every single bad thing that has ever happened in North Korea while every good thing is characterized by North Korean ingenuity. You hear stories come out of the north and think, "Yeah right, there can't be ANY way someone would buy something that transparent." But then you hear it again, and again, then you meet someone from the north and hear it again.

I can understand taking your own country's position on a few things, but Kim could write a book on how to subjugate a people. His country is starving, bleeding energy problems, and under a crazy kind of martial law. And somehow he stays on top.

Maybe he really is evil, maybe he's devious and megalomaniacal, but it would take a savant of a political genius to do what he's managed to do in North Korea. It's baffling, shocking, and absolutely amazing any one man could get away with so much with so little.

I'm not praising him, but there aren't many leaders in the world who can keep that grip on his people that tight without an internal civil war. He's kept his people remarkably oblivious and yet, at the same time, extremely focused. Not that every North Korean probably buys the line, but for the most part it seems the majority do.

Kind of makes you feel smaller, knowing you could be subjugated the exact same way.

heavyD:

I can understand the frustrations. America still very much plays both sides to their advantage. But Koreans should realize this is the American Government and the money profiters at work here. Keep people scared and you make money. This is what America pushes on everyone including its own people. I don't think its good to dislike American people. Everyone has there problems. I think its better for them to take things into there own hands and realize that the American Government is only out to help itself and the companies that want to make money. The Koreans, like the Japanese, need to become free to do things that best suit them. Even if that means kicking out the American military. If they don't there are two reasons. One just like us it has to do with money. Two they don't truly think reunification is in there best interest.

Ragnar:

Remains me when I visited the Norwegian/Soviet border in the far north that we was told by the Norwegian police not to wave our arms towards Soviet to avoid hard feeling. However understand nobody is welcome to come to close to a prison fence on the Mainland USA and coming to close to the fence at Guantanamo rest home in Cuba will probably draw live fire.

Paulie200:

We really don't have that many troops in South Korea anymore. We do have a large Intel and Command and Control structure there. South Korea is a priceless strategic outpost and we should stay for as long as the South Koreans will permit, and/or until the North Korean nightmare finally ends.

I'm saying this as a flaming political liberal, albeit one who has spent time on a tour with the U.S. military in South Korea. The time is right for the North Korean state to come apart, and had it not been for the Bush administrations ham fisted and bellicose attempts to hurry that along for the political glory of Dear Leader Bush, it might be under way right now.

Observer:

I am intrigued by the suggestion that Mitt Romney is the one to reunite the Koreas, but I do have a question: Which side will he be on, and for how long?

Joe Soap:

The bellyaching by some to withdraw from overseas deployments shows just how silly we Westerners have become...
Engagement does not just mean talking, it means having boots on the ground.
NATO is struggling to get the job done in 'ghanistan becuse some "allies" are not stepping up.
We need to hang around, stay in the game or we'll need to play hardball in more fiery theaters later.
My confidence in our equipment has been shaken of late with IEDs damaging our M1A2s...if the old Soviets had known how vulnerable our equipment was, we'd all be writing in Cyrillic by know!
We need to refocus, stay the course and sooner or later we'll do all right!
I never served in Korea but I know that the boys there are doing their best and need to be supported no matter what the higher-ups are doing!
Let's hope that Korea eventualyy gets resolved although when that will be is anybody's guess!

pLangrehr:

Have all you forgotten the trouble that Isolationism causes? We are still in Korea for our own reasons, and believe me, economically it is benefiting the US quite a bit. We have arrangements with the North and South...essentially pushing merchandise, weapons etc. on their governments. Even when they don't need or want it.

I've lived in Korea for the majority of my life (as an American dependant). The ignorance and naïveté of the American people is disheartening. Korea is not a third-world country nor it is a developing country, as was implied by one of my college professors at a Tier 1 university in the US. S.Korea is full-blown DEVELOPED. There are huge cities with sky-scrapers and affluence to rival any major metro area in the states. Can you imagine fighting a full out war in a city of 3 million civilians? The American presence in Korea is, although unwanted by some, needed by all.


FunTravelAdventure:

"The US presence in Germany lowers the cost of the war in Iraq."

Another place we shouldn't be.

Bring all our troops home and put them on our borders. It's cheaper than losing our country.

mtchndjnmtch:

I spent a tour in the frozen chosen, and went to the DMZ one time. It was quit a sight. Walking though the trenches and looking through bi-nocks at the other side. I was totally amazed at what you could see. You had to watch you self as this was 1960 and still not to safe. That is to say, if it ever was. We had North Koreans come across and make it quit a ways into South Korea. Most times they were caught by The Turks. That was bad for the N. Koreans.Rumour
has it, that the Turks hung a Slicky boy, witch was a thief,from their gate entrance until the US military conned them into taking him down. Imagine what they did with prisoners! It may be time to bring our boys home from there, and use them in the war on terror.

Lart from Above:

While the North would almost certainly lose a war in Korea, their first wave of missiles would kill hundreds of thousands of civilians in Seoul and other cities in range. North Korea may also have a nuclear missile capability that could strike Seattle. We don't know whether China would intervene to "stabilize the situation", i.e. hold territory south of the DMZ. The US presence in South Korea is pretty cheap insurance against WW III.

US troops need to be housed, fed, supplied, and put somewhere; it's not a lot more expensive to keep them overseas, especially with lower costs in some countries and direct or indirect subsidies from some governments. Overseas posts help training and preparedness. The US presence in Germany lowers the cost of the war in Iraq.

FunTravelAdventure:

"Put some big steaks on the grill, and let the North Korean guards smell it."

Or a nice French Poodle sauteed in onions.

Frank:

I am not advocating that we leave South Korea, but what would happen if the US and South Korean soldiers just did not show up at this border location. It just seems silly to spend all of this effort having the soldiers appear each day and stand and stare at each other. My other idea would be for the US military to have a big cook out every Friday there. Put some big steaks on the grill, and let the North Korean guards smell it.

Bl:

Over 50 years and billions of dollars guiding there borders while our borders are wide open! This Nation has the largest invasion of any nation in the history of the world. Bring the troops home and put them on the border guiding this Nation!

HillRat:

Yes, it's clear the U.S. and South Korean governments want to enlist you in their propaganda war against the nut cases in the DPRK. Let's all hold hands and present a unifiied (i.e., Unification?) message to the godless commies.

Good grief. Has 'democracy' descended to putting on a false image of who we are?

FunTravelAdventure:

"If Mitt Romney is not elected to ofice, he would be an appropriate person to run the N-S Korean reunification effort."

Yeah, maybe the Muttster can get his 5 healthy, over priveledged sons to man the outposts.

John D.:

If Mitt Romney is not elected to ofice, he would be an appropriate person to run the N-S Korean reunification effort. His stint at the Utah Olympics was excellent training. Once all those soldiers have no one to shoot at, the recovery personnel will be at hand, but outside management will greatly facilitate recovery.

On the plantation:

U.S. troops need to be out of South Korea. No two ways about it. I was there in 1970 (Kimpo), and we are done by now. All our current presence does is make for a scenario where there would be even greater escalation of a conflict. South Korea has all the population and assets it needs to deal with any problem as well as it is possible to do.

pappy:

No, South Korea could not win a war against the North. China would come to North Korea's "rescue" and end up as an occuping "peace force". China will never allow a capatilist, united Korea. This would be too large of an economic, social, and political threat on its boarder.

...:

Anything is possible.

This makes no sense...:

People saying "can't these people take care of themselves" and "South Korea needs to build up its army" - when they have more than three times as many soldiers per capita as we do!

Ditto Israel (five times) and Taiwan (a bit less than three times). They're doing all they can. Can't we accept this lesser sacrifice to protect our smaller neighbors abroad?

Yeah, South Korea could win alone against North Korea - except that most of Seoul is within artillery range and would be flattened, not to mention the North would probably attack first and advance.

Anonymous:

I love this site Amar, I've learned so much. Please keep this going as long as you can!

Joe:

I was stationed in DMZ in 1987-1988. Regardless of how some people describe the place, DMZ got to be the most peaceful place in the world. With no civilians, it is extremely quiet and dark. On some starless nights, it is difficult to see even few feet ahead.

Using the night visions, you can watch the animals come out in the evening. Sometimes they walk few feet in front of you with no fear of humans.

The smell of the air is so crisp and cold. The distant cry of some unknown animals makes one feel that you are in a different place and time. DMZ is certainly a very unique place and I was so fortunate to have experienced it even though it is such a painful symbol for all Korean people.

Chuck:

I remember visiting PanMunJeom in 1987 or so. Non-Koreans could visit. They said that my jeans would be viewed as a sign of poverty.

Heck, millions of North Koreans are starving too death. Let them think what they want. PanMunJeom is a silly place. Cold War is over. They lost.

SJ:

Anonymous wrote "South Korea has the sixth largest economy in the world and they can certainly handle it themeslves." Actually, ROK's economy is the 11th or 12th biggest in the world, depending on how you define economy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

The main reason that the US force remains in Korea is to prevent the shift of power in East Asin. The inflence of China is gaining momentum in Asia and the world. Sudden military vaccum created by the withdrawl of the US military would only increase the Chinese influence, and I don't think US, Japan, Russia, and EU are ready for such change just yet.

what hey OK lol:

Yeah! the north koreans are breeding giant dragon monsters

Not Johnathan:

Johnathan,

I find your comment naive about a frame for both North & South Korean government to unite.

The North doesn't have a government; it has a cult of personality. How do you "unite" with that.

In case you didn't notice, the DMZ isn't keeping the South Koreans in, it's keeping the North Koreans out.

The way they unite is a simple rule... the DMZ is open for 48 hours. Any unarmed person may cross the DMZ and settle. After that, the DMZ closes.

What do you think will happen?

Jonathan:

I visited the DMZ(South Korea side) in summer of 2006. I think everything is fine. It changes.
Yet it is still hard to sketch a good, suitable and proper framework for both North and South Korean governments to reach an understanding on their "national" reunion.

The issue of Korea is beyond a doubt a question that concerns the two antagonistic governments on Korean peninsula. It is quite more. The nub of it is complicated international relations between USA, China, Japan, Russia and the two Koreas. Still, apparently, the six-part talk cannot solve the problem at all, although in a nutshell it seems to be pretty successful, in particular on the point of negotiation of North Korea nuclear crisis.

What can we do for that?

sck:

As a Korean, I can say that the best comment comes from Nick, it time to unite and be one again.

Chung:

I don't understand this story.
1. The link no 1 is to a story that dates from 1998. why is this important?

2. The prohibitionst worry author seem to be those that are common in most traditional societies.

3. The whole article reads like propaganda. there was a poet that said about good fences make good neighborss. Why worry? if america has troops on border so what?

Anonymous:

The effects of a U.S. withdrawal would not be confined to the Korean peninsula. Rather it would impact the whole balance of power in NE Asia.

Whatever we may directly save financially by a withdrawal may be completely offset if the resulting vacuum is filled in a way detrimental to our broader interests in that part of the world.

Christina:

Thanks, very interesting! One typo, though -- "effective," not "affective".

ceflynline@msn.com:

While it is a significant possibility that the North would actually attack if the U. S. got out of the way North of Seoul, it isn't very likely that the South would lose. They aren't as blatant wbout their Army, but be assured, it isn't overly afraid of the North.

The problem is, from the moment Kim's forces jump, until the South finishes taking final position along the Chinese and Russian borders, an AWFUL LOT of Koreans, military and civilian, will die.

The very patient game we have played for the last fifty plus years, with its mind games within mind games (U. N. troops are expected to always have a pleasant smile on their faces while on duty in the JSA. The mirror sun glasses worn by South Korean troops are partly a Psywar ploy to keep the Northern troops guessing. and on and on) take a lot out of the countries involved, but they will, eventually, as in East Germany and Eastern Europe, lead to the North collapsing and its impoverished reunion with the South. At that point Korea will really need international aid as the country labors to resurrect the economy of the North, which is less than failed state capability, and the heavily strained South, which will have to do the rebuilding.

Still, it will have been a victory cheap, at the price, compared to just giving the South Korean Army the keys to the armories and telling them, Have at it, Gung Ho!

That is why we are still there.

I'm proud to have served there, and proud that my son is serving there now.

Extraordinary Rendition:

OK, guys... Now we know where to stage the next Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition photo shoot!

FunTravelAdventure:

Trust You Not,

Well then maybe it's long past time for the South to build up it's military.

No matter, you're wrong.

trust me here:

If the US pulls out, South Korea has no chance, zip, nil, nada. The North Koreans would pour across. Like the old Russian advances, only the front rank would have weapons. When the guy in front of you drops, pick it up. Retreat would not be an option. Guns behind you would mow you down. Your choice would be sure death or certain death. Massacre would be he rule.

FunTravelAdventure:

If US troops get out of South Korea, the North will not attack.

All that will happen is the South will have to stand on it's own.

And we get to save $BILLIONS

ANONYMOUS:

Dear "What are US troops doing there?" - I agree with you in that I don't think US troops belong there anymore. South Korea has the sixth largest economy in the world and they can certainly handle it themeslves. I would be surprised if they did not have nuclear weapons of their own, and even if they didn't, they would still win. The North Koreans are starving. But I think anyone who sees this through Cold War "east vs. west" glasses is ignoring a huge fact. Nobody wants a re-united Korea, not South Korea, not North Korea, not China. The two Koreas pay lip service to the idea but its empty and hollow homage to the past. The ridiculous, tragic situation now is that the very few North Koreans who are both old and extremely loyal are the only ones allowed to meet, in EXTREMELY tightly controlled surroundings, with their South Korean relatives, for money. Everything North Korea does, it does for hard currency.

Some South Koreans have paid to get their relatives out of the North. Those are interesting stories. Helie Lee's (an American author of Korean descent) book on her North Korean cousins escape is really good.. and its an incredible TRUE story.

Another mindblowing true story is told by a man who lives in Southern California now.. he escaped one of the worst camps in the North. Words don't describe it.

Many of these people are hated in the South because the Southerners just don't want to know how terrible things are in the North. It doesn't fit into THEIR world view either.

What a mess.

OverThere:

Where is the oil in Korea? And what about all that oil in Western Europe? Oh wait, most of the world has no problem with the US being policeman if and when they approve.

Anonymous:

North Korea is a throwback in time, in a sense, its a world not unlike what the ex-USSR was like under Stalin. It's a very good example of what terrible things happen when you have a long-dishonest 'government' of a bureaucratic elite that is willing to do *literally* anything to keep itself in power, even when its 'business model' has long since faded. very few understand what this means, because it is SO extreme. Imagine if you were a liar whose web of lies grew ever more fantastic and difficult to maintain, but you somehow managed it. That is Kim Jong-Il's evil genius. But it can't last. Maintaining the big lies takes a huge amount of energy that they can ill afford. It always does.

The tragic thing is that millions of people live there, and many of them are literally starving to death. Imagine an abusive father who starves his children, playing them off against each other for scraps of bread. North Korea is increasingly dysfunctional, but its still there. In a global economy, North Korea is an anomaly, a country that knows very little of the rest of the world. Why? Because any knowledge of the outside has the potential to blow its people's minds, the lies they are fed are so outrageous.

If you understand that, you understand a lot. But its very hard to understand unless you have met pathological liars like Kim. Few of us are so unlucky, thank God.

North Korea is a human rights disaster that transcends politics of any kind. From free-marketeers to communists, all who realize what is happening there become appalled. Its so incredibly cruel to the people there.

North Korea is divided into zones based on who is allowed to live there. The north and east of the country are basically riddled with varying kinds of penal colonies. Imagine if one careless word would land your entire family in exile, with you separated them and condemmed to be worked underground to death, never seeing them again and them not ever even being permitted to learn what it was you said that had condemmed them to Hell.

Read some of the accounts of defectors, only a few of whom have ever walked out of the camps there.

North Korea has huge concentration camps, as big as many counties in the US, that hold untold thousands of people who work as slave laborers.

The entore nation takes part in a caste system in which anyone who has committed a crime in the eyes of the government, and their descendents, as well as loyal party members, are rated in a hierarchy.

This is an incredible problem because in order to rewardthe loyal, the disloyal have been so deprived that they are dying by the thousands. Perhaps even millions.

The situation there presents huge problems for everyone else in the region because at this point, nobody wants to deal with the mess that would spill forth when the whole thing collapses. And it will, because it is based on a web of lies.

This is really tragic because the people of North Korea are pawns in a huge international game in which their lives are worth next to nothing.

To the government, it sometimes seems that so called 'undesirables' are worth their meat, and the calories that can be expended in working them to death before a person dies. Its like nothing else on Earth, and its been going on this way for a very long time.

The only parallel I can draw is to Stalin's Russia or the Holocaust, or maybe China during the Great Leap Forward famine or during the Cultural Revolution. These periods set their countries back decades.

North Korea's people have been similarly abandoned by everybody, including the South Koreans who at this point may speak the same language, but they live on another planet, literally, economically. When North Koreans, risking their lives, manage to escape, invariably into China, they are hunted down like animals or trafficked as virtual slaves.

Still they put up and shut up because if they are caught and returned, (China receives a cash bounty) the punishments are severe.

The punishments are based on your caste. Some are killed immediately, others get two chances, others are only executed the third time they are returned.

North Korea is a cult. Like Jim Jones in Guyana, or Pol Pot in Cambodia, their "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-Il may someday force his people to death rather than go down in history with them realizing him as the tyrant he really is.

Its an abuse scenario that makes all others pale by comparison. What drives people to act this way?

When will it end? Nobody knows.
But I think everyone agrees that it probably won't end well.

By the way, I'm not a right winger, I'm a mainstream Democrat. I want to see peace in the region and I just hate to see tyrrany manage to pull the wool over so many people's eyes for so long.

This situation should not be exploited politically. Its far too terrible for that. At this point I think the only way to end the thing well is extreme, real, heartfelt kindness. To the people.

Bypassing the tyrant regime if possible, say with food sent in on millions of small balloons with pinholes in them.

SexyhotAmerican:

Perhaps if I'm wearing slippers, torn jeans, a tank top, and am drunk, I can stop the invasion. Soldiers are soldiers worldwide, and every North Korean soldier will stop by to say "hello" to the 'morally corrupt' American.

Adam:

a fun perspective from the northern side:

http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip6-dmz.htm~mainframe

What are US troops doing there?:

If US troops get out, North Korea will attack South Korea. If that happens, China will get involved. If that happens, Japan will not stay quiet either. It will want to militarize again (which is not what US wants). In no time, Russia will also get involved. The food chain continues. China, Japan, Russia, South Korea...big players economically and politically. Do the math.

Nick:

I remember visiting Panmunjon in the mid-1970s, with the white line running down the middle of the table and US guards selected mainly because they looked like NFL linebackers. What struck me most was how much the N. Korean soldiers dressed like Russians, and the S. Korean soldiers dressed like US soldiers. It really drove home the fact that it was a proxy war. The cold war is over, and I think that if I went to Panmunjon today, much would be the same. The Koreans are one, proud, independent people, and we need to support the drive to unification and get rid of this artificial relic of the Cold War. (BTW: For another perspective on MacArthur and military arrogance, read David Halberstam's great new book, The Coldest Winter, on how the Korean War was fought.)

FunTravelAdventure:

What the hell are we still doing there.

Time to bring our troops home from the field. That includes, Germany, Iraq, Korea and the other 127 other countries.

Can't any of these countries take care of themselves.

FunTravelAdventure:

What the hell are we still doing there.

Time to bring our troops home from the field. That includes, Germany, Iraq, Korea and the other 127 other countries.

Can't any of these countries take care of themselves.

Frank:


I think Queen Latifah is super sexy and hot.


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