The Bush administration may wish to "waterboard" a Mideast peace process that excludes Hamas, but the result won't be a stable and lasting peace.
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April 27, 2008 12:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 27, 2008 12:44
A New Earth – Excerpt
By Eckhart Tolle //
The Arising New Consciousness //
Most ancient religions and spiritual traditions share the common insight that our normal state of mind is marred by a fundamental defect. However, out of this insight into the nature of the human condition, we may call it the bad news, arises a second insight, the good news of the possibility of the radical transformation of human consciousness. In Hindu teachings, and sometimes Buddhism also, this transformation is called enlightenment. In the teachings of Jesus it is called salvation. In Buddhism it is called the end of suffering. Liberation and awakening are other terms used to describe this transformation. //
The greatest achievement of humanity is not the achievements of its art, science or technology, but rather the recognition of its own dysfunction, its own madness. In the distant past, this recognition already came to a few individuals. The man called Gautama Siddhartha, who lived 2600 years ago in India, was perhaps the first who saw it with absolute clarity. Later, the title of Buddha was conferred upon him. Buddha means the awakened one. //
At about the same time, another of humanity’s early awakened teachers emerged in China. His name was Lao Tzu. He left the record of his teachings in one of the most profound spiritual books ever written, the Daodejing (Tao Te Ching). //
To recognize ones own insanity is of course the arising of sanity, the beginning of healing and transcendence. A new dimension of consciousness had begun to arise on the planet, the first tentative flowering. //
Those three individuals then spoke to their contemporaries. They spoke of sin, of suffering, of delusion. They said, “Look how you live, see what you are doing, the suffering you create.” They then pointed to the possibility of awakening from the collective nightmare of normal human existence. They showed the way. //
The world was not yet ready for them, and yet they were a vital and necessary part of human awakening. Inevitably, they were mostly misunderstood by their contemporaries, as well as by subsequent generations. Their teachings, although both simple and powerful, became distorted and misinterpreted. Over the centuries many things were added that had nothing to do with the original teachings, but were the reflections of a fundamental misunderstanding. Some of the teachers were ridiculed, reviled or killed. Others came to be worshipped as gods. Teachings that pointed the way beyond the dysfunction of the human mind, the way out of the collective insanity, were distorted and became themselves part of the insanity. //
And so religions, to a large extent, became divisive rather than unifying forces. Instead of bringing about an end to violence and hatred, through realization of the wonders of all life, they brought more violence and hatred, more divisions between people as well as divisions between different religions, and even within the same religion. They became ideologies, or belief systems people could identify with and so use them to enhance their false sense of self. They could make themselves right and others wrong and thus define their identities through their enemies, the others, the nonbelievers or wrong believers, who not infrequently they saw themselves justified in killing. Man made god in his own image. The eternal, the infinite, the un-nameable was reduced to a mental idol that you must believe in and worship as my god or our god. //
[The Arab/Israeli conflict will only be resolved by the coming awakening of the human race that will transcend these petty religious hatreds and focus on the truly important issues facing us, like global hunger and population control.]
April 13, 2008 9:25 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 13, 2008 09:25
To everyone who thinks that the solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is to figure out which side is "right" and then go around spouting propaganda supporting that view: please find something productive to do with your time and stop fueling this inane excuse for a discourse.
April 7, 2008 4:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 7, 2008 16:05
thank God....:-)....that CK is an honest information broker. after all, his posts are just chock full of unfettered, unemotional, unbiased, "educate the american people" truisms vis Syhrian and Iranian influence/depredations in Lebanon. He's absolutely right! Why it's just an unvarnished wash-up of those nasty Israeli's!
CK..you are the beacon....you have illuminated the path to all that is righteous and just. Whatever you point to as truth...I accept.
April 7, 2008 1:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 7, 2008 13:44
TO: Realist
You certainly have the right ideas, but the entire story of isolating the Palestinians into ghettos [and the "definite may be" as some sort of South African Apartheid era "homeland" scheme] is due to the vast demographic difference.
This is why the Jews have no mind for real and true democracy in a one-man, one-vote state and they want to "eliminate" all non-Jews.
Look at the comments of the poster below, Yishai Kohen (probably an Israeli). His words are representative of that mentality and the use of "they" as a reference to Palestinians is a telling story.
April 7, 2008 6:00 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 7, 2008 06:00
BEN-
You stand corrected as your thoughts are quite irrelevant to the actual facts right on this page, in front of your eyes on the screen!
PostGlobal is a joint project of WP and Newsweek. If you look at the main page of this forum, PostGlobal, on the link above at the top of the page or on http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/
you can understand how this forum works, which has been around for about 2 years and every time the main topic of debate is a question to the "panel".
I now understand why you people have elected Bush and Cheney to lead and represent you and spend your taxes.
April 7, 2008 3:56 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 7, 2008 03:56
Doctor Ettefagh says: "Hamas has duplicated the dual military-political structures in Northern Ireland, namely the IRA & Sinn Fein. It has a noticeable support of the Palestinian electorate that yearn dignity, insist on fairness and stand against modern apartheid. As a grassroots movement of the Palestinian people, it has gained the following of a substantial majority, tired of inactions and corruption of the PLO and Fatah and the precious little built on the Oslo Agreement". There are some truth elements in this comment, but it does not reflect the whole situation about Hamas. First, Hamas, unlike IRA, does not accept the right of existence for Israel, as IRA accepted the same right for Great Britian. Second, IRA never engaged in sucidal bombing against civilians and killing civilians never was their main tactic. Second,it is right that Hamas got the majority votes of Palestinians in a free election. Also, it is right that both the U.S. and Israel made a huge mistake when they did not engage in talks to Hamas right after the eclection. But, one should not forget that Hamas got that vote on a platform for fighting corruption and delivering services including job and better life for people. They did not tell the voters that they would send rockets into Israel. Also, one should not forget that President Abaas got the majority votes of Palestinians and his votes were much more than Hamas. He became the president on a platform to continue talks with Israelis based on two states solution. However, Israel and the U.S helped the hardliners in Hamas by not negotiating with Hamas and by their preconditions for Hamas. At the same time, I do not agree with those who are telling us that the time for engaging in talks with Hamas is too late. There are many indications that there is a moderate wing in Hamas which is wating for the U.S and Israel signals to distance itself from extremists. More importantly, engaging with Hamas would have a huge influnce on some moderate groups in Iran which are in favor of a two state solution. In contrast to some common opinions in the West, it is not just Iranians that support hardliners in Hamas, the current situation in Palestine and the U.S and Israelis position in not engaging with Hamas justifies, to some degree, the hardliners' position in Iran against the moderates.Therefore, bringing Hamas into negotation table will have a huge impact on Iran's position about peace process.
April 7, 2008 2:13 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 7, 2008 02:13
To Buzz Bros.
I am not sure you are right. I believe the author chose the topic. It would be interesting if the moderator tells us which one it is.
He had a chance to write a blog in Washington post a premier US newspaper. wouldn't be interesting to know what is Islamic view of what is going on in Tibet, recent UN sanction, the role of Iran in recent cease fire in Iraq.
The Iranian obsession with whatever Israeli or Jewish is not even healthy for Iranians. They are stuck. Are they truly serve Iranian interest with writing such articles. How many Iranians know about Halevi or what ever he said.
The best term for this article is intellectual masturbation.
April 6, 2008 11:34 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 23:34
This is the second or third time that a comment I've posted pointing out the idiocy of this man's views has been posted and then deleted.
Terrific. Obviously Ettefagh can't stand substantive criticism.
April 6, 2008 8:53 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 20:53
I say let the Israelis have their religious state, it's their business, just tell Americans the truth on the violence so we won't be fools. Israeli sob stories in the US media have perverted Americans understanding of Arabs and Islam, that by itself is reason to end the media stranglehold.
Israel is not going to change it's stripes except on a temporary basis when it benefits their treasury They wanna milk the American cow without buying it. They are probably still lobbying behind the scenes to get Jon Pollard out of his espionage sentence in the Federal pen.
Bring back US values. American foreign policy toward Israel any time before 1980 would suit me fine. Fairness, not bias.
April 6, 2008 3:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 15:28
Good article,
I think this is a very secular thinking artilcle, I am so so tired of reading passionate but baseless articles written by both sides of the fence where the rehotric always turns to religion. The answer to peace in the middleeast is for the world to establish secular states where religion is freely practiced but it does not have any influence on the running of the state. This wold allow the sharing of Jeruselem by all faiths. My own thought is that the two state system is unworkable now, with the vast settlements and the potentialy geographically land-locked new state for the palestinians who will have no means to defend themselves or any real economies to feed its people. The solution (a real one if the people in that land want one) is a single state with all people living side by side and for that to happen Isreal must abandon its jewish state identity.
April 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 14:48
A compromise: let American tv viewers see and know what Israelis and other Mideasterners get to see and know. There is more honest debate and information about IDF abuse of Palestinians in Israel than here, (actually there is none here!)
It is sick that this country is denied by every means the simple truths. There is of course plenty of protest in Israel over settlements, occupation, killing. Most Americans don't know that!
Americans deserve no credit for being so damned naive, unaware of history, and bigoted that they swallow the tv media Israeli hogwash. But that's what you and I are doing here, you are the seawall of lies, and I am the waves beating crashing with truth. Eventually you fall.
April 6, 2008 1:39 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 13:39
Yadda yadda, Nazis blah blah blah. Just let the American public understand, see the dead children, the hunger, the walls. Israel is always going to be Israeli so there's no hope they'd ever see other humans as wquals, we don't need to support it. Israel modern beacon of democracy with a murderous thug army, fanatic population of whining civilian thieves obsessed about a money stream from the USA. Great nation!
April 6, 2008 1:29 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 13:29
Well, you're an animal, that's for sure. You define the world so you can kill who you need to steal from and you can have your will. Lovely, nice to see you are basically just a violent hegemonist hiding behind popular myth. What goes around....
April 6, 2008 1:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 13:24
CK,
The kill ration between the US and Nazi Germany also wasn't even.
The simple fact is that the Arabs choose war and terror, and therefore they sufer. It's that simple.
Again, we won't allow land theft here in OUR land:
The Philistines would have had a state in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.
They would have had a state in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).
They could have had a state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and thre PLO (1964).
They could have had a state after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:
A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel
They would have had a state in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.
The Arabs will just have to learn to "make do" with their own 99.9% of the Middle East- including all of the oil, and stop trying to steal OUR tiny 1/10th of 1% without oil. The Philistines won't have a state here in Israel, and if they don't stop their violence, they won't even exist here anymore. They will have to go to their own land; Jordan.
April 6, 2008 1:18 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 13:18
I'm not interested in changing Israel, let the truth change it. I want an unbiased US media. Things like the IDF kill ratio, the ineffectiveness of the "deadly rockets," the tentacles of the Israel Lobby in us politics, the influence of fringe American Zionists like James Dobson, the land theft on and on, just let out the facts! It is a shining star of propaganda history in the world that the Israeli onslaught on Lebanon a couple summers back is prettified and a non issue. Tell me how that happens.
No way you'd do that right? And the sick part is that it is only that it would cost you $$$, and so it's a non starter. It's about money. Israel's security is not threatened, it's cash cow is.
April 6, 2008 1:14 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 13:14
CK,
Like it or nor, Judaism and the land of Israel are inseparable. Even the few remaining anti-Zionists' only qualm is about WHEN we can rule OUR land; not that it IS our land.
But that's not the issue here. THE issue is that as long as the Arabs choose war and terror, they will die. It's that simple.
They need to stop being greedy and violent and learn to "make do" with THEIR 99.9% of the Middle East and stop trying to steal OUR tiny 1/10th of 1%.
April 6, 2008 12:55 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:55
Lex,
Israel has defeated the armies of the larger countries that surround it time after time, with minimal help from outside. This included a war that began hours after the state was declared in which some of the Arab armies attacking it were actually lead by European commanders.
In terms of infrastructure, Israel has built up the country by Jewish labor, and developed new agricultural techniques to farm land thought to be non-arable. It has become one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world, where many products used world wide were invented, like the cellphone. Meanwhile Israel is responsible for the environment and was the only country to have an increase in the number of trees during the 20th century.
In politics, Israel has a democratic system where all people are equally represented and a judicial system in which people are equal under the law. Israel does well allowing minorities to be represented in its parliament (statistically better than the U.S.), and is seen as an attractive destination for the politically oppressed seeking asylum.
Israel is not a theocracy, unlike many Muslim countries, and it guarantees its citizens freedom of religion and freedom not to be religious. Yes, it is true that there are some areas in which religion intrudes into government, but this is to a smaller extent than in European countries like Germany or Italy.
Therefore, I think Israel does act like an adult, responsible state. The funding Israel and Egypt get from the United States is designed to encourage peace between the two countries, and is not particularly different from other instances of international aid.
April 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:54
I always say, don't blame the crimes of Zionism on Judaism! Many Jews are disgusted with the violent tactics of the IDF, the land theft, the long term game plan. You tell me how to put down the Israelis in a way you find acceptable. Please inform me, I can take it.
April 6, 2008 12:42 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:42
I looked at the post, what's the problem?
To suggest that pro Israel bias is hidden for the purpose of advancing it's agendas is not antisemitic, as I deny them nothing. If all the media are bent one way the whole country has a problem, and if it's not clear then the problem hides. We have a heavy preponderance of pro Israel tv talking heads, they stepped away from their responsibility to inform us, which has led to war in Iraq, against the truth of the facts. They are burying the murderous policies of the IDF behind reports of "rocket" attacks which are curiously enough rarely effective, and we can't know who where these guys allegiances lie?
If you are edgey with the yarmulkes let them wear Israeli flag pins, just stop hiding the bias. It's a foreign country, this Israel right or wrong movement is insane.
April 6, 2008 12:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:35
CK,
I think that both conservatives and liberals can appreciate the morality of Israel's foundation. However, I do think that many people have a highly distorted view of the situation, and that anti-Semitic views have taken root in certain liberal groups. I am skeptical of those Christian Zionists who view Israel purely as a religious matter, as I am skeptical of both Arabs and Jews who claim that the whole land is theirs by divine right. I think it is best to make moral arguments from an accurate view of history.
Regarding anti-Semitism, look back at your April 6, 11:38 post.
April 6, 2008 12:17 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:17
CK:
History IS long, and the nation of Israel survives ALL enemies- including those with NO history or roots.
You should know that by now.
April 6, 2008 12:10 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:10
America is in a process of massive transformation and real change, economically, demographics and a split from the last 28 years of Bush-Clinton (including as V.P.). And the last 7 years has made change in foreign policy urgent, as a very rough economic ride is around the corner.
One of these days, USA and the world will soon tell Israel that, hey guys, you wanted your own country, you got it. As adults, it is time to act like a responsible state. This will translate to the end of a religious state in Israel and its racist regime.
This is why a top intelligence director of Israel has made these comments.
April 6, 2008 11:54 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:54
A. Kuhn ah the anti-Semite call! What took so long? It is interesting that our press disdains Islamic tribalism. Jewish tribalism is sacrosanct!
Why don't you denigrate the approach of the American Christian Zionists whose support has bent perception, justice, and popular truth to Israel's favor? They put all Jews in hell at the end of their fantasy interpretation of reality, yet I don't see Israel or Jews denouncing Chrisitian Zionists as anti-Semite. Ah oh I see, it's the money, the donations, the political support of voters who go like cattle from church to the GOP vote booth, I get it now.
Principles are ignored for payday, right?
April 6, 2008 11:50 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:50
Israel is a done deal, what we should fight over is getting the truth out, at least see if Americans have any conscience. If Americans remain pro Israel in the face of truth then we truly are unworthy of this great land and it's laws, (we probably aren't.)
If the Wolf Blitzer's and Tim Russerts would wear their yarmulkes when they present their deadpan pro Israel attitude on tv that would be a great start. Control of popular opinion = $$$ donations to the Israelis, and of course the illegal land grabbing and apartheid come with it too. Steal now worry later, so practical! Israel plays chess while the American public plays checkers, pretty cool if it weren't over human lives and loss.
Yishai Kohen: history is long, and what goes around comes back around, God willing!
April 6, 2008 11:38 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:38
CK is wrong when he says "Taken by violence upon the natives." The late 19th and early 20th century Jewish immigrants paid for the land they worked and built their communities on that land. There were also many Jews from Jerusalem and a few other cities whose families were already living in the region. In fact, before the foundation of Israel, it was the Jews whose property was illegally seized by violence such as in Hebron in 1929. When the United Nations created the partition of Palestine in 1947 only the areas with a Jewish majority were allocated to become part of Israel and Palestinian property rights in these areas were to be respected. It was only the 1948 War, when Arabs attacked trying to wipe out the Jewish presence in the region, that Palestinians lost their land and property.
I suspect that if people knew Israeli history more completely, most people who are not anti-Semites would realize the morality of the foundation of Israel.
April 6, 2008 11:33 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:33
A two state solution will never work. In order to solve the problem once and for all, Israel must cease being a Jewish state, and should take over Gaza and the entire West Bank, governing all as a single secular republic which includes all inhabitants as citizens.
There's no other way to ensure against attack by Arab states, apart from the reasons a brother Arab state may be attacked.
The population problem and gangsterism, you say? The answer is to get the Arab birthrate down. To do that Israel must educate them, give them equal services, and let them earn decent jobs. Most predominantly middle-class societies have trouble achieving growth.
A visit to the White House quickly reveals the problem. The place reeks of fear. The sad realization dawns that Cheney and Bush are cowards.
April 6, 2008 11:09 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:09
BEN-
You ought to remind yourself that this blog is in an American paper, not in Iran, and editors of the American paper choose the topic, as the moderators sign the question put to the panel. Can't blame you, chances are that you are in USA and the media blast is thinking for you!
April 6, 2008 11:08 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:08
I analogize Israel's legitimacy to America's. Taken by violence upon the natives, it's a done deal with no turning back. But, the truth about the history is not a done deal, it is a work in progress.
This is what we are left to work for; the perception of the truth of the conflict. Israel's supporters are bright, and they already know this, and this is why any effort to clarify what is going on there is stifled by a wildly pro Israeli American tv press, (as Jimmy Carter has outlined.) They know that to control the popular truth is to control the stream of US funds, and bend the application of justice heavily to their side. The political rise of evangelical Zionist Christian America with it's preconceived notions of Israeli ascendancy has greased the slide for an unchallenged pro-Israeli propaganda machine to flourish here.
A wise man once said that nations should swap history books every few years to see what others are doing with the same set of facts.
April 6, 2008 10:37 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 10:37
TT,
You obviously can't read. I'm not the problem. I IDENTIFY the problem; the Philistines, and the end result: The abyss for them choosing war insyead of a state time and again:
They would have had a state in 1937 with the Peel Plan, but they violently rejected it.
They would have had a state in 1948 with UN 181, but they violently rejected it (and actually claimed that the UN had no such mandate!).
They could have had a state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967 without any Jews- because the Arabs had ethnically cleansed every last one; but they violently rejected it. In fact, that's exactly when they established Fatah (1959) and thre PLO (1964).
They could have had a state after 1967, but instead, the entire Arab world issued the Khartoum Resolutions:
A. No peace with Israel
B. No recognition of Israel
C. No negotiations with Israel
They would have had a state in 2000 with the Oslo Accords, but they violently rejected it- as always.
The Arabs will just have to learn to "make do" with their own 99.9% of the Middle East- including all of the oil, and stop trying to steal OUR tiny 1/10th of 1% without oil. The Philistines won't have a state here in Israel, and if they don't stop their violence, they won't even exist here anymore. They will have to go to their own land; Jordan.
April 6, 2008 10:33 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 10:33
JAY BOOTH--
You don't get it, do you? Hamas is not fighting for aid from Europe. They are Palestinians fighting to return to their land, homes, restore their dignity and rights. In the same breath, when will Israel stop bombing with American F-16s, with approval of USA? In fact, what has Israel achieved for years of trying to bomb the other side into submission? Answer: zero!
Israel is the last apartheid state on the planet.
It was supposed to be a refuge for Jews after the War, but have not seen peace since inception. Time for Plan B, as the article spells it out.
April 6, 2008 10:18 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 10:18
To Buzz Bro.:
We have gotten it. Iranians hate Jews with all their being. Jews are anathema to every Iranian and their version of Islam. An Iranian can not be if there exists a single Jew. WE GO IT. Write something different.
I checked the author's archives, there is not a single post about Iranian economy. He has article about Chines and US economy but not about Iran.
They can comment and try to solve all the world's problem except their own.
May be if he does they will shut his blog. He knows better what to write.
April 6, 2008 10:16 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 10:16
What kind of "peace" would there be between Israel and Hamas? Would anyone agree to a peace when the other side, in it's charter, calls for your extermination?
There will be peace in the Mid-East when I can openly bring my Bible to Mecca or publish the Danish cartoons in any Muslim country without fear of death.
April 6, 2008 10:09 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 10:09
What a crappy, awful and disrespectful metaphor. I read the title, was revolted, then read the first paragraph and saw it was so one-sided that I gave up.
Sayyid Ettefagh, you've seen the most recent polling regarding Hamas's popularity? You understand they enjoy the approval of far, far less than a plurality, let alone the "substantial majority" you describe? Fatah has a higher approval rating, by the numbers.
The day Hamas starts acting like a reasonable player and knocks off the rocket firing BS, aid from all the european countries will flood into Gaza. But then that would be bad for them.. hard to radicalize people who aren't hungry or fighting, eh?
April 6, 2008 9:47 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 09:47
Agree with the writer, CK and TT.
Israelis have no clue about peace even if it lands on their head. They have been in a permanent state psychosis, war since 1948.
I think the comments of Halevy the Israeli are hollow and just a cheap posture for the election cycle in USA, as America is no longer in a position to afford the bad bet on Israel, financially, politically & reputation wise.
BEN-
This is a discussion blog about a topic as a round table. This round is not about Iran or Iranians. If you open your eyes, and that is a big if.....the writer has written about different subjects as a regular commentator.
April 6, 2008 9:27 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 09:27
The important thing to keep in mind is the worth of the two peoples: One Israeli is worth at least ten, and probably countless, Palestinians, as evidenced by the kill ratio maintained by IDF. A scratched finger on an Israeli is worth your baby's life, and God help you if you wake up an Israeli neighborhood an hour early with a bottle rocket, as this will get your kindergartens bombed by F-16s. This is the basis on which Israelis will have peace. Peace for them, hell for Palestinians.
April 6, 2008 9:11 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 09:11
I see a great deal of articles about Israel/Palestinians from Iranian writers. A day does not go by without an Iranian blame all the world ills on Jews. I do not see any Iranian talk about their economy. I imagine the writer to be the prefect person to write about Iranian economy, but NO; It is about Jews again. Why Iran has 30% inflation, 40% unemployment, close top 6 million addicts in a 70 million population?
Wouldn't Palestinians be entitled to know why the people who are trying to save them, can not solve their own issues. May be may be Iranians are using them like Arabs in the last 60 years as a way to fool their own people.
April 6, 2008 8:43 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 08:43
SUSAN-
You have not heard of Israel bombing Gaza with F-16s? Amazing to read your comments!
If any one prefers violence, then I suggest Uncle Sam arm both sides of Hamas and Israel with the same weapons and let it rip. Alternatively, if Uncle Sam wants true peace and stability and security (for both sides), it is obvious that the only way to do that is to disarm both sides, put troops on the ground and police the place. It is not a very large territory (Israel, Gaza and the West Bank all together are less than 5% of Iraqi territory and about half of Bosnia).
April 6, 2008 8:34 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 08:34
Zionists want all the land up to the Jordan River and beyond, including all of Jerusalem. Anything like a "peace process" is just one more step in this direction. Ultimately they will take all the land, with the US's help. That is the plan, that has always been the plan. What the Palestinains think is secondary. So, let the peace talks go forward, with or without Hamas, because the end reuslt is going to be the same.
April 6, 2008 8:17 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 08:17
I don't see how talks with Hamas can lead to peace. I don't think Hamas wants peace. The "political" structure of Hamas is no less antisemitic than the military wing. It is equally opposed to a Jewish state. I don't think that comparisons to Northern Ireland work. Great Britain is and island away from Ireland and even the most extremist IRA groups never denied the right of Great Britain to exist. Have you heard Meshaal's interview on Sky News? I have.
"ineffective sanctions or collective punishment schemes akin to dark practices suffered by Jews during the Second World War II"
Well, the sanction seem to be ineffective, but there is no possible comparison to WWII. That is so inaccurate that it minimizes the suffering of the Jews during the Holocaust and comes near to being Holocaust denial. Jews never bombed anyone and they never denied any country's right to exist.
April 6, 2008 7:44 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 07:44
Yes, the US is doing far more harm than good by backing extremist tendencies in Israel and drowning out the moderates. In my view, this is posturing aimed at the elections in the US, not a good faith attempt to resolve a conflict that the US has "assumed" responsibility for. There is no responsibility here.
April 6, 2008 6:40 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 06:40
As a jewish i cant understand how peace will prevail in the holly land. When the blood of palastinians is shed by my own people.Peace will only prvails once we jewish learn to live with others in the holly land like we do in other countries. It seems our existance in Isreal will be short lived simply because we acquire our existance from others pains,misfortune and killing.
April 6, 2008 6:38 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 06:38
The military capability of Dick Cheney combined with the world cowardnsess towards Cheney trorism the world would never witness peace. The curse of GAZA infants and children murdered by the Isrealis child killers will hunt the world decades to come. Peace will start once humanity do some justice to the hundred of thousands palastinian chlildren Slaughtered by the jewish with the blessing of most of us.
April 6, 2008 6:28 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 06:28
If Israel and the US don't want to deal with Hamas, they should allow the emergence of a Fatah which is not hopelessly corrupt and which can win elections. That means ceasing to funnel money and power to their favorites while arresting or killing the more honest and capable Fatah leaders. As long as Marwan Barghouti rots in an Israeli jail, it is obvious what Israel really wants: the excuse of Hamas in order to grab as much land and water as possible.
April 6, 2008 6:26 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 06:26
I think the writer is right. Those that are commenting about this article must always remind themselves that America is just the broker and it is up to principles to cut their own deal.
Sadly, the American broker is taking sides and is not neutral and wants people 7 time zones away to adhere to American political games for domestic purposes.
April 6, 2008 4:39 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 04:39
Only one thing. It is too late anyway to think of peace. The Adenaur Foundation did a poll of Palestinians (both W. Bank and Gaza) and found that over 80% now believe that Israel will not make peace unless forced to violently. ie. Discussions do not lead to anything good coming from Israel. (The facts on the ground give them reason; The new 2000 new housing units in the settlements OK'd since annapolis, and the latest IDF tactic of simply killing "Militants" or farmers "met" when doing a foray in Gaza -without even the pretense of arrest)
Even the Israeli's themselves are starting to ask questions about their own attitude to possible peace moves (Haaretz, today re; Syria and "panics")
Hamas non-recognition of Israel is simple. Israel wants recognition, not simply of it being a state (which most have accepted anyway), but of it's borders (Where?) and it being a "Jewish" state, excluding both Muslims and Christians. (Christian affairs are under the Palestinian authority, and the resident population has almost disappeared as it is submitted to the same pression as the PA's).
Bush may want to exclude Hamas, but he would have to exclude 80% of the PA population to get peace, if it does not include some real concessions from Israel. Not the usual spin.
April 6, 2008 4:27 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 04:27
ROGER-
Being an "Israeli" (which only happens if one is Jewish) is a state of mind. So, Mr. Halevy sits on the fence of being British and Israeli. He was born and educated in UK and then immigrated.
YISHAI KOHEN-
It is precisely hard-headed and dangerous people like you that the world could do without. You want to to go back to 60 years ago? What is wrong with going back to, say, 62 or 70 years ago when Israel didn't exist?
April 6, 2008 4:15 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on April 6, 2008 04:15