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Ali Ettefagh,

Sorry, but you have to realize that your socialist propaganda and agitation is out of touch with reality. Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Ze Dong, Minh, and other socialist dictators and mass murderers are dead as well as socialism. So what? Do you really believe that socialism gets a second chance? No doubt, that's never going to happen.

Actually, there is no conflict between imposing the will of the occupier and the will of the Iraqi people, provided that the occupier has the basic intention to look after and provide security for the occupied, as mandated by the Geneva Convention.

The problem is that it has not happened, hence the insurgency. In short Baghdad 2003 didn't prove to be Paris 1944...!! The Americans can only change the ground rules if they start helping Iraqis and restore the dignity of people in Iraq, the same people that were suffering under Saddam and those that they supposedly "liberated".

I also like the comment above by SIMPLE THINKER clarifying the "gift" from USA!!!

Cheers and thank you Dr. Ettefagh for looking beyond this short-term military surge solution.

Posted on July 22, 2007 03:50

Steve Brungard:

quoting "The function of military occupation is to enforce the will of the occupier. end of quote.

And what would you think the intention of the occupier has been to begin with !

Had the United States actually wanted to liberate Iraq from dictatorship, a viable and truly sovereign Iraqi government of Iraqis for Iraqis could have been established by the people of Iraq within fourteen months post invasion and without a military occupation.

The function of military occupation is to enforce the will of the occupier.

Supporting the will of the Iraqi people would include efforts like those suggested by Dr. Ali Ettefagh and preclude military occupation.

This author is looking beyond the horizon. Let us assume that all hostilities will end, Al Qaeda turns into dust, Iran makes a complete about face and kiss and make up with Israel, etc. etc.

.....What then? What is the next step going forward? How can we pick up on the dream that was sold to us by the American administration? It needs capital, a business plan and lots of work. I cannot see any of that being contemplated at the moment, just two groups of mad violent action junkies (USA and Al Qaeda) going at it.....

The comments from American posters above confirm the writers view that there is in fact factional fighting in USA and there is hardly any national unity in state policy of America.....the result? Others suffer, and that is a shame.

There is a need to inject capital and economic activity in Iraq, to restore hope and dignity of people (in Iraq and elsewhere). That is the only way to solve the matter.

It is a folly to think that this is all just a repeat of world wars in Europe. There is nothing in common between Europe of 60-90 years ago and today's world and the Middle East.

Bushies biggest problem is that he is an Evangelical. Evangelicals, are as this Catholic will politely point out, FULL OF IT-And there will soon be a Colonoscopy to prove it!

For a rewritten fictitious Christian Sect to dedicate themselves to trying to correct Catholics and others is a very arrogant stance!

I would have to say that Bushie and Haggardly, really thought that they would just Evangelize the Muslims! LOL!!!

Hey Bushie-while you are so into turning your "Cheeks", THEY are into demanding Conversion or killing!

Not every Religion idolizes and emulates Jesus!

Al-Sadr should have been killed within a Month after he started his Shi'ite in Sadr City!

Bush's blunder and shame, and the embarrasment to this Nation, is that al-Sadr is an Iraqi Politician! At times even I wonder about Boy George W!

Thermopylae
With GWBush and the Neo-cons running things,
it's ridiculous to talk post-enlightenment.
90% of Americans still believe in God,and
Bush is on a religious mission,so its more like the Christian right against Muslim madness.
From the Muslim point of view,it's all about religion. We are,after all,the infidel.
We could nuke the middle east and take out millions,
but,of course we won't. But they will nuke us at the first opportunity. So it's advantage Islam.

It's religion stupid.
It's Islam against Christianity. It really is the Crusades all over again,and Islam is winning.
The Enlightenment seems barely to have touched American thinking,as most Americans are primitively superstitious, believe in God,and expect to live forever in a big Paradise in the sky.
If Voltaire could see all this he would weep.
To think that in this incredible world, created by science.
people with 13th century mindsets are sill battling each other over who is the real infidel.
It is war without end.

To all of you rednecks and flag wavers. Why don't you pack your bags and go fight on the front line in Iraq? Then I will believe everything you write.

THERMOPYLAE

If you are right, which you are not, why is it then that no other civilised country or society has come to the aid or America, save for Fiji and its two officers contributed or the lot of other "coalition partners" whose contribution of soliders is less than 2000?
And why is it that America's standing in world opinion polls is about 80% against it? Any clue, perhaps?

"Civil wars and insurgencies are about control of measly resources in desperate economies, and the crux of returning life to “normal” in Iraq must have the economy at the heart of it."

nonsense.

this fight is the good fight, the oldest fight: that between between civilization and barbarism. it is a fight between a post enlightenment vision symbolized by america and her brave iraqi allies, and a preenlightenment primal scream sybmolized by iran and her iraqi allies (and interspersed with all manner of other distractions such as criminals, al qaeda, and the like.) at its core this fight is that between the most fundamental of all clashes: that between modernity and mysticism.

were that this was indeed a relatively simple matter of economics! the most intractable fights never are. this clash is the grand clash over values, not so much between civilizations as between modern civilization and its discontents. its two greatest opposing symbols, america and islam, have locked horns in an epic, generational fight to the finish. the world has simply grown too small for such opposing forces to share it.

one would not wish to bet on islam. the beast is indeed slouching, but not toward jerusalem. it is in the direction of mecca and qum that the clouds gather. it is only a matter of time before a great flash consumes them.

having placed itself between man and his destiny, islam faces eventual annihilation.

"Civil wars and insurgencies are about control of measly resources in desperate economies, and the crux of returning life to “normal” in Iraq must have the economy at the heart of it."

nonsense.

this fight is the good fight, the oldest fight: that between between civilization and barbarism. it is a fight between a post enlightenment vision symbolized by america and her brave iraqi allies, and a preenlightenment primal scream sybmolized by iran and her iraqi allies (and interspersed with all manner of other distractions such as criminals, al qaeda, and the like.) at its core this fight is that between the most fundamental of all clashes: that between modernity and mysticism.

were that this was indeed a relatively simple matter of economics! the most intractable fights never are. this clash is the grand clash over values, not so much between civilizations as between modern civilization and its discontents. its two greatest opposing symbols, america and islam, have locked horns in an epic, generational fight to the finish. the world has simply grown too small for such opposing forces to share it.

one would not wish to bet on islam. the beast is indeed slouching, but not toward jerusalem. it is in the direction of mecca and qum that the clouds gather. it is only a matter of time before a great flash consumes them.

having placed itself between man and his destiny, islam faces eventual annihilation.

Reader1234556767....

I need MY Country's help a hell of a lot more than the previously poor and quite used to it, Iraqi's do!

THEY need to wake up tommorow in the 21Rst Century, and Tell their Backwards Mullahs that they are not going to take it any more!

We freed the Iraqi's, only to sit and watch the ignorant and mislead morons let a belligerent and very questionable Religion imprison them in a nightmare of sectarian strife-With other Muzzies!

I do not mean to degrade any true Religion, BUT, I do have a little awareness of facts! The FACT is: Islam is in a CONFLICT WITH EVERY MAJOR RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY ON THIS PLANET-INCLUDING THEIR OWN IDIOT SELVES!!!!!

Iraqis-Your Mullahs did not do a DAMN thing for you, only to you!

Ever occurr to you that some people claiming to represent God, might not? That THEY, just MIGHT be Human enough to fall for this World's Vices and Evil ways? That THEY, might LUST for POWER, and Money?!!!-Maybe MORE!??

Iraqis were creating jobs and growing their economy the first year and so after the fall of Saddam and were on their way towards creating economic stability.

It was the violence that stopped that. The Sunni on Shia, Shia on Sunni, and everyone and the Kurds that has created now the mess that is in.

The United States is right to first stop the insurgency. Handing out money doesn't work. We are blind to think that a people, who don't know about building economies, with just cash in hand.

Maybe the Bush Administration is not doing enough to help the economy. But there will be no Iraq, unless Al-Qaeda, Al Sadr and others are routed.

Yes, it is the economy, both at home and in Iraq.

This attack on Iraq must be one of the top 5 most stupid things ever done in modern history!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/19/world/middleeast/19baghdadi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

This is the story of a fictional "insurgent leader" in Iraq which the U.S. Army now confesses as he never existed! A hoax! No wonder the progress report is half way in the middle of nowhere!

To RAT-THE

You obviously cannot understand what you read. The writer has mentioned injection of capital into the Iraqi economy at a rate of $100,000 per household, not a cash hand-out to them.

This means real capital, to buy capital goods and to invest in businesses to start economic activity.

The writer is right about restoring hopes in Iraq. Iraqis must be assured that they can work and live in peace. That is a basic component of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, an indisputable cornerstone of UN Charter.

TO: All those that think America's attack on Iraq was a "gift"

How can we return the gift? We don't want any gifts.....leave us alone. We are of adult age and can decide for ourselves.

At the same time, you broke Iraq, you must pay for it! In blood and in cash!

It is most important to restore the dignity of people in Iraq and that can only start when there is economic activity.
If nothing else, Iraqis had the safety of their streets before the Americans attacked.

Also see:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/video/page/0,,2125978,00.html

What the writer is saying is $100k per Iraqi household, not to them. It means investment to create jobs. It takes about $20'000 to create a single permanent job. Then add the need for infrastructure to supply water, power and fuel for workshops and factories and it adds to that.

It is not about a straight handout.

deep psychology and philosophy, poetry, music, cuisine, manners....Iranians are an amazing people, to anyone
who's had the privilege of knowing them.

islam or no islam, who has ever written of love better than Rumi, Hafez, and the whole constellation of Persian poets?

IRAN ZENDE BAD!

First of all there is no progress in IRAq. The various benchmarks are meaningless, for they are the creation of the invader, an invader which has broken almost all laws of War and all sections of the Geneva Conventions. The only bench marks which are pertinent to the Iraqi situation are the ones voice by Iraqui-s: USA GET OUT.

While the LIAR IN CHIEF blames AQ and Teheran, the real opposition to USA is on the streets of Bagdad and other cities. the Saudi jihadist are far more numerous than "volunteers" from any other nation. The USA can not talk against Saudi Arabia, for it could get another 1973 type oil shock, and military intervention in the land of Mecca and Medina will be far too bloody and expensive for the USA to survive. Such a possible attrack [as in case of IRan] could and probably would involve all the oil importers opposing the USA --- the end of the USA $ and economy.

Mr.Ali Ettefagh has the right idea, the problem of IRAQ is economic. The factions fight for economic primacy ASAP USA leaves.

Mr. Ali Ettefagh's solution is the putative general help of $ 100 000.00 per family. This is a nice figure, representiong approximate cost of the war for the USA, indicative of the minimum the USA owes IRaq in reparations for the gravest crime of humanity: UNPROVOKED INVASION [as per Nurnberg].

There is only one problem with this sceniaro:
THE USA IS BROKE. The other belligirent, the UK is also BROKE. So war reparations are out of question. Israel the quiet parter of this invasion is also broke.

Of course, if the reparation due to Iraq would be based on USA TORT LAW [death anywhere up to $ 70 000 000/per person --Cuban case], the USA would be sold lock stock and barrel to Iraq for a dinar.

So let us get reasonable:

1`., USA withdraws completely including all mercaneries
2., OPEC NATIONS AND CHINA/RUSSIA/JAPAN/EU finance the reconstruction, and try to recover some of the costs from the USA - a la
robber barons type economic action -- most appropriate, for this is the way thee USA tried to rule the world.

My contention is that non of the USA made benchmarks will ever be met in Iraq. Though, I would suppose if the USA does not get out fast, there might be the famous CIA type BLOWBACK in numerous places in the USA. I do not wish the attendant trauma on the citizens of USA.

NEUHMS-Nice Try! The things that are broken now, were broken either before or after we liberated the un-trained monkeys!

For a Country that is supposed to be very harsh on Thieves, they sure do seem to have zero shortage of Sticky Fingers!

Also, if you will have understood what I was getting at, The thing broken right now is the Iraqi Constitution, and it's disfunctional and bitterly Sectarianly divided Government, of which, I can even thank Allah-I can and do blame on the Iraqis entirely!

THEY broke the Gift Horse! On Purpose!

To Rat-The I would like to simpily quote the moto of shop keeps around the world "You broke it you bought it."

@What gives:
"What I don't understand, if people believe that Gen Petreaus will come in September with an honest report about the effect of the surge, then why in the heck would those same people be against a draw-down 120 days from approval of this law? It seems to me that there is an ulterior motive going on here. That we really don't want to leave. Also, look at a map and see how Iran is locked in strategically."

That's it. The US Presidential candidates are chosen and moneyed so that the American people have the following choice

1. a Black or a clintonian woman for Democrats
2. a group of hawkish and a less moneyed Mc Cain

The scenario is written in advance for the show, and the key idea is control by the media. The media can at 3 week notice play on the race card, the woman card, the hawk card or the money issue.

Based on the current candidates' structure, and the motives of strongest lobbies, which are oil, gun, and Jewish, I would put my bet on Mc Cain.

The aim is for the guy to slowdown by cash issue, and then comeback kid strong on principles.

He's the one always pro-war, and a veteran of Vietnam war, POW 7 years.

Illogical ?

Remember it's [1]
1. Arabia Saudia (1990 first gulf war)
2. Iraq (2003 second gulf war)
3. Iran (2009 ? gonna-be third ?)

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[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

1.Saudi Arabia

With one-fourth of the world's proven oil reserves and some of its lowest production costs, Saudi Arabia produces over 4 gigabarrels of oil per year and is likely to remain the world's largest oil exporter for the foreseeable future.

2.Iran

Iran has the world's second largest reserves of conventional crude oil at 133 gigabarrels, according to the CIA World Factbook, although it should be noted that both Canada and Venezuela have larger reserves if Non-conventional oil is included.

3.Iraq

Iraq has the third largest reserves of conventional oil in the world at 112 gigabarrels. Despite its vast oil reserves and low costs, production has not recovered since the US-led 2003 invasion of Iraq

What I don't understand, if people believe that Gen Petreaus will come in September with an honest report about the effect of the surge, then why in the heck would those same people be against a draw-down 120 days from approval of this law? It seems to me that there is an ulterior motive going on here. That we really don't want to leave. Also, look at a map and see how Iran is locked in strategically. With an American-sponsored Government in Afghanistan and in Irag, what would you do?

Dear Dr. Ettefagh:
As you have correctly observed, the only way to fight Al Qaeda and numerous other "Ben Ladnes" that are growing like weeds is to give the Iraqi's a sense of dignity by creating jobs, re-building factories, establishing schools and universities, proving basic necessities of everyday living, etc. Only then Ben Ladens of this world would find themselves unemployed and perhaps spending their time playing games on XBOX.
But this is only a dream; the global military industrial complex needs Ben Ladens and Mr. Rigis [the Baluchi terrorist in Iran] of this world to thrive on.

$100,000/ Household? In a Country with subsidized Gas, Free Medical(US Supplied), and more?

You Sir, are on stronger drugs than Ahmadinejad!

LMFAO-AT YOU!

How about we cut the Brain-Dead Iraqi's off our $$$ Cold Turkey?

How about we give them fair warning to either make Iraq a Non-Sectarian Government that gets all Sectarian Mullahs the Hell out of the way of Progress, or, we back up and secure the borders, while allowing the Medieval Morons to all get to go to Allah together!

The BIGGEST problem in Iraq is the fact that the only Political process involves displacing or killing other Sects competing for authority!

We have been too damn patient! You are trying to pee on me and our Country, while trying to tell me it's Raining!

Well, I'm now Pee'ed Off!

Americans ought to rebel against their government by setting up their own direct aid NGOs, raise a few bucks (just $5 per American will do=$1.5 billion!!!) and target a handful, say, 20 business projects in Iraq. Simple stuff like making bricks, asphalt, a small refrigerator plant or a workshop to fix power transmission equipment or sewage pumps.... or other basic low tech.

The American army must protect them as it is their duty to protect Americans.

That will ashame Bush and send him to the junk heap of history within a few short months.

I'm more hopeful of the 2 million Iraqis who had the sense to seek "freedom" in Jordan and Syria. As of late, there were report of Iraqis girls forced to "work" for their family survival there. Tragic, but may be that's the beginning of enterprise spirit :-( ?!

What kind of freedom the US has brought to Iraq ?

You can't inject $100,000 per household to a population of less educated people, with guns and explosive and hope that they start trading like the Chinese. The foundation of a society has been destroyed by aggression, first by the US, and then by every factions of Iraq.

"It's the economy, Stupid" to start with. But now it's war, and carnage. Money has sense only when you can have peace to enjoy, without it money has no power, or the power to kill only.

Like the Vietnam war, the region may return to peace 10 year after the US left, and 20 years later some degree of normalcy may return to Iraq. The only hope is oil and the Internet may make the process speedier, but that's a hope, not a policy.

One marvels that if the U.S. had poured its $700 billion ($11 billion a month and counting) into direct subsidies to Iraqi entrepreneurs, small businsses, job-creating industry and charitable good works in Iraq instead of a brutal, mindless military occupation, America would be hailed as a great savior and leader among nations instead of the despised, rogue Bush government that most make it out to be. The waste, the waste, the waste in lives, treasure, property that this simpleton Bush and the sinister Cheney have wreaked upon Mesopotamia. They have created Islamic radicalism and a training ground for terrorists where there was none before, and greatly destabilized a Middle East that they hoped to redeem.

It's a rare cause for hope to read so clear-eyed and unglossed a summation with its dead-eye zeroing in on the problem. Economic solutions are notoriously hard to implement, but it helps to have our heads lifted up by the likes of Mr. Ettefagh. Thanks!

The final rip-off and oil.....very well described.

You are right that they are just waiting for the oil law, but Americans are deeply mistaken if they think they can grab the oil reserves. They are about 100 years late!

Indeed....