America it is time to face the facts. Muslems hate us and wish only to see us dead.This will surely be considered INAPPROPRIATE and be removed,never the less it is truth!. Any where in the world muslems have been taken in and treated with kindness (the christian world)that kindness has been returned with hate and murder. How can any SANE person respect men who cower behind women and children.You who rationalize the behavior of these madmen will be murdered alongside those of my ilk but at least I won't die a blind fool. I know a snake when I see one,
and none of the nonsence rationalizations that spew from there lieing, murdering mouths will ever change my mind for I am sane and have logic on my side. Those of my kind are seldom given voice but have no doubt we ARE out here

Are people here actually trying to tell (like defeat islamofascists) that Israel has been trying to protect civilians? that Israel is killing ONLY Hezbollah fighters? Please tell me you're not, cause that is the impression i have recieved.
only today i was browsing the net when i read this at the Human Rights Watch News "Human Rights Watch expressed particular concern over continued air strikes that have killed and injured civilians trying to flee...Air strikes have hit civilian trucks, including those carrying sugar, flour and rice. Other attacks have destroyed public infrastructure, notably bridges and roads needed by the civilian population to flee."
I mean, people trying to flee, people unarmed, people having no business with the war whatsoever. Israel is indiscriminately killing people. Israel has become a killing machine. They are not interested in an immediate ceasefire, much like their friends in the West.
And yes, Hezbollah did arise as a result of Israel's attack on Lebanon in 1982.
It's all about which side of the mirror you look at. The other day I was watching a programme on BBC as some Academy Awards discussion. Somebody mentioned the Oscar winner movie Brave Heart. All the English men and women started speaking about what a horrible movie that was, and how they were surprised that it received any Oscar. The movie had a pathetic story! Of course, Brave Heart has shown William Wallace as a hero. The guy who fought AGANIST the English. Why wouldn't they hate him or anything that stands up to admire him? To the rest of the world, he WAS a hero, someone who fought for the rights and freedom of his country.
This is how it happens. Someone rising up against an established, powerful, friendly-looking (at least for the US, UK, etc.) country, and you label it as fascists and terrorists. These are young kids we are talking about. Boys and girls of late teens and early twenties. Can't we at least stop for a second to think what pulled them out of their schools and in front of their TVs to go and live a painful life of constant fear, misery, torture and death? Why is everyone so eager in labeling them as terrorists? Please, can't we stop for a moment to think of them as humans? Why is it that "we can have no negotiations with" them? No one is born a villain. No one wants to die a terrible, meaningless death. Why can't we hear them out? Even the American soldier at one time got fed up of the Iraqi war, they wanted to go home. How come we understand their problem, and not those who get no vacations, no rewards, no monuments for this endless war?
They are all humans. Its just that in war, the 'other' is always taken as "animals". We simply cannot allow ourselves to compare them with ourselves; we are just too superior! And guess what, the media is all the more willing to project that image. The thought of us infallible angels fighting an evil animal group is too irresistible. Right now, Israel is the ally, much like Britain, or Australia, or Canada (or even more than that?) And Arabs are simply the 'wrong side'.
And you also have this endless conversation over where to throw the Jews out of Middle East and Arabs out of Europe. I wish your ancestors had thought this way when they were out there invading Africa and making the poor folks slaves and taking away the diamonds from their country. I wish they had thought before they invaded the 'New World' and snatched it from the native Red Indians...
Its not about people going and living in other people's 'territories', its about people coming to share your land with you, and then actually snatch it away from you. Then treat you worse than street dogs, giving you no decent job or education or other means to prosper. Imagine how would you react if some Martians came to invade Mother Earth?
Please think before you speak....

Once a russian journalist said of muslims as the sole group having kept their "passionaria" (the concept developed as well by L. Gumilevski). That's why you can see often muslims as party to many international conflicts. Because, contrary to others, they don't accept the injustice. Maybe, they are for the time being committing many errors as they lack good leadership and useful knowledge. But, this will come by time, and if they are able to keep their passionaira for the times coming, islamic nation could well be the force of change in the world which needs a lot of it.

The so called terrorist are all byproduct of American aggression. Hezballah, Bin Laden, Saddam, Khomeini, etc. Divide and conquer, thats the only way America can make money, try their latest weapons and produce more. The tax payers are being fooled by the TITLE democracy, but do not know what goes on behind closed doors, corporations are looking for new ways to make money on others misery and using people in Iraq, Palestine,Lebanon etc as a test field. WAKE UP TAX PAYERS, You default on tax payment and see where you end up. You know why coz Israel has to be payed on time, if i were an American i'd be worried about the power cuts and the electricity infra-structure that was built in the 1930's.

There is no doubt that there is a bunch of people with just enough power to inflict destruction upon human beings. Kidnapping of the service men is definitly not the reason for Israel to detroy Lebnon, America sees it a good enough reason to implement a carefully drawn plan to re-draw Middle Eastern map and enslave Arabs, Muslims in wider sense of the plan.

Israel's are lucky that Americans have no interest in World history. If they did, they would realize that most of the current and past Israelie leaders were once considered by the world as "terrorist". They were fighting to make Israel in land that was 90% palistinian. They killed, bombed and terrorized people in the area. Just as today's Hamas/Hizbollah. Once the country of Israel was formed, the once terrorist were now called the Israely army. Today's "arab" terrorist are also fighting to get their homeland back. Once they get that, they will not have any reason to terrorize jews.

There will be no peace in the middle east. Let the Middle East countries cut of their oil supply for one week, then we will know who is more significant to this world. Then America might start looking at the peace process differently. NO more double standard. Thats the only way western people would start respecting Arabs like they should. The only way America will change their foreign policy with the Arabs.

Hezbollah and Hamas are to Israel, what Al Qaeda is to the U.S. No one is advocating that the U.S. negotiate a ceasefire with Al Qaeda, and likewise, Israel should not negotiate a ceasefire with Hezbollah or Hamas. Terrorist organizations are not to be negotiated with.

First off Godbless The U.S.A and all its leaders for doing what is best for us as a nation and for defending us from our many enemies.War was not our choice but the pentagon was bombed and the towers fell and many innocent people died ,Israel was and has been bombed and attacked daily for years on end against these same villians who teach their children we are the great satan.We are the greatest Nation par non in the history of mankind. Our civilization and way of life are at risk as this is a war of civilizations . There is no distinction with us between blood and blood. Islam and Judaism or Christianity. We have freedom of religion here as all are welcome to worship God as they see fit . That is not the case in other parts of this world especially in the middle east.What is the option ?
The people of Israel are fighting for all we take for granted life ,liberty , the pursuit of happiness.Peace is a dream in the middle east .It has been a dream for ages . WHo is right ? who is wrong? Who knows how many ages more it will take for Salem (peace).To be Islam (peace) for the City peace JERUSALEM .Godbless the United States of America and all her True friends ! Appointment with destiny: We know what we are fighting for ! Fight the good fight everybody make it worth the price we pay.God bless our brave soldiers who stand waiting to defend our nation united we pray >
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Defeat Islamofascists.How much freedom do you think christians are given to preach the word of Christ,inside israel.How receptive do you think jews are to Christ.Sure they take your money.Sure they take your military suport.I mean what would Israel be with out christian contributions.But try to talk about the big elephant in the room(Christ).Christians talk about all those who dont pray for Israel are cursed.Jews talk of christians as mis informed or following a teacher but definitely not the messiah.Come on stand up Christians and tell jews how they are going to hell,tell them you love them not because they are flesh and blood but because God commands you to love them.Christians are acting as if love is given to those who love Israel.Hell the jews are bombing Christian lebanese,but your silent because the jews are chosen and dont understand.What is that saying a stumbling block was placed,or jews were made not to hear.Ya religion the great uniter,unless of course you disagree with its message.You people speak like the Christians havent commited crimes.Look at the residental schools,look at the jesuits,look at the suffering on the reserves and the rain forrest.Ive met enough Christian thugs to last a life time.Every day you teach me through the media to hate muslems to hate Arabs.You conquer and destroy in the name of Christ.Then you tell me to hate.This is all a load of hate on hate.Jews and the promised land,Christians and heaven and hell.To say christians dont kill.What was Bushes religous message he recieved before sending 300,000 men and boys to the middle east.They are Christ army.Just as we support the Jews to fight any muslem or Arab it wishes.THis prophesy.WE spend more on the state of Israel then we spend on the starving in Africa.What a Christian concept.Its not about what is moraly right,its about full filling prophesy.We spend a trillion dollars a year to create prophesy.We are allowed to kill man if it is contributing to the rapture.Ive heard people praying that this is end times,That Christ will come and kill the none believers.They are Gods people the rest burn in hell.If your born to pain and suffering and cant see your way to find a higher power your doomed.Your doomed from birth.If your not born a jew or you dont convert to Christ your doomed.If your born in India and you have never raised a hand against no man, but you dont love Israel or you dont except Christ as your savior, your doomed.If you are born in the artic or off of chesterfield inlet and dont study Christ your doomed.This is a religous war and its evil,all the way around.How many is the number of the saved in the first resurection.I have met so many people humiliated and abused at the hands of Christians that they could never except there teachings,so to hell they go.But some sat there is a loophole,some say there is not take your pick.God bless all those that love Israel and curse all those who fight it.We are either blessed or cursed.Which one am i.

to john, apologist for and seeming fan of hezbollah:

we refer to hezbollah as a terrorist organization b/c prior to 9/11 they had killed more americans than any other "stateless" organization

if hezbollah operated solely from lebanese territory, how was it that they attacked and captured soldiers on the israeli side of the line, setting off this chain of events?

please justify hezbollah storing rockets in private houses, mosques, hospital

please compare hezbollah's filling rockets w/ball bearings to maximize civilian casualities w/israel's efforts to get civilians to evacuate

finally, you suggest that the israeli ground invasion is "sputtering", which is leading them to consider a cease fire. i am sure hezbollah is fighting hard, but do you really think the israelis are using a fraction of the conventional force they could use? there have been roughly 400+ civilian fatalities in lebanon; how many do you think there would be if israel was intent on killing civilians?

finally, if an israeli army patrol passed an unarmed family of 20 lebanese by the side of the road, what would happen? reverse the roles -- what would hezbollah do to an unarmed family of 20 israelis?

First, let Israel support itself.

Second, let them all go for it and kill each other.

Third, develop alternative fuel sources so we can let the middle east remain in the 4th century fighting the crusades forever.

Except for the oil, the rest of the world does not need the middle east.

I agree with Rad Solution: there will never be peace in the middle east so long as there is a state of Israel...because the Arabs will not rest until they have killed all the Jews. Furthermore, the Jews will not rest until they have conquered the Arabs. So, the solution is to let the two sides battle it out until one side has won because all this talk of premature peace simply bottles up the anger and puts off a final war to a later day. I don't really care which side wins, as long as the winner is willing to promote US interests.

did you get the e-mail i just sent discussing israel, hizbollah and the volte face of the us now that israel's ground invasion is sputtering? or did you immediately delete it?

now that the morning brings news that the israeli ground invasion is sputtering, the israelis and neocon bushies say they are open to a cease fire. the israeli's admit they are surprised t the fight hizbollah has put up (last time i looked it was taking days for the israelis to take one small border town).
hizbollah is constantly miscast in the "mainstream" u.s. press as a terrorist organization when in fact it arose wholly in response to israel's occupation of southern lebanon. hizbollah today operates exclusively from lebanese territory facing a proven expansionist state.
p.s. do you have the guts to print this?

One item of interest in this morning's news was that Pakistan is working on a huge nuclear reactor which will produce enough plutonium to make 40 - 50 kilogram bombs. Now, that's interesting, huh? Why? I imagine Musharraf has been warned more than once by the Islamists within his government: you've gone far enough to capture bin Laden. WE'RE Muslims, remember! We've stuck our necks out plenty to satisfy the American monarch. He's squanderd his chances with us. We now have a classic picture of why we need nuclear weapons! The Israelis will ALWAYS have the upper hand in American sentiments and government. They will ALWAYS have the very best equipment provided by the U.S. The U.S. will ALWAYS support Israel over Muslims, even though Muslims are a large and growing minority in the U.S. Until there are more Muslims in the U.S. giving lots of money to politicians, Israel will continue to dominate MIddle Eastern politics. We need to have plenty of nuclear weapons so that we can support fellow Muslims in case they are attacked by Israel.
That, I'd say, ensures that the United States under Bush has squandered every opportunity for even handedness between Jews and Muslims and they've always leaned to Jews and Israels.
Bush's indifference to the plight of Lebanese has motivated and will continue to motivate Muslim extremists. This is a disaster for any Muslim regimes trying to work with the U.S. Bush, once again, has blown it.
Big surprise!

Is it alright for President Bush to espouse a religion and give his political moves the tones of that religion and not allow the same philosophy to guide the Moslem world, particularly when the religion of the latter is not secular?

It's interesting that the author is writing from Pakistan. It seems to me that Pakistan's leader, Musharraf, is critical to the US global war on terrorism. Musharraf, however, has been the target of five assassination attempts already. Israel's attack on Lebanon is bound to strengthen the anti-US elements in Muslim countries such as Pakistan. If Musharraf does not come out strong against Israel, can he survive? What about other governments that are seen as collaborators with American policy, such as Egypt or Jordan? Israel's attack threatens to destroy any cooperation the US still enjoys with governments of predominantly Muslim nations around the world. Either the governments will respond to mass outrage against Israel's attack, or those governments may well be replaced.

your fight should be with radicals, of ANY religion. When religion is the only basis on argument, who can be wrong. Everybody believes their relighion is right. The difference is that radicals believe that the other party should be punished because God is on my side. For Al Quida type of terrorist(they are terrorist) it means killing infedels. For Christian Radicals, it means a war between muslims and jews so that Jesus can come back and convert the remaining jews. For radical jews, they feel that they shoul rule ALL of promissed land, not just today's Israel. I believe that ANY person that does good deeds and is a good person will go to heaven(if there is heaven). Just because someone is of a certain relegion, it does not mean direct ticket heaven...

Bobby,

You've just convinced me to do everything I can to keep arabs from coming to America.

Islam is the single most powerful force for evil in this world. It is the philosophy of ignorance.

Europeans colonized Arab lands to take away the riches of their land. Now the arabs are back to get their money and send it to relatives back home, or better yet also bring the relative with them. The best thing about democracy is that all citizens can vote. Over time the muslims/imigrants will be a majority in most European/American lands and they can vote the way they want. Why do you think the European governments are more even handed in Israel/Arab conflicts? Not to far into the future America will also have an immigrant majority....
p.s I personally am not against jews or Israel (pre 67 borders)... We are all humans first.

land of israel has been occupied by jews and arabs for thousands of years. so please spare us the ridiculous ideas about "moving israel"...

to those naive writers who keep telling us israel must find a way to make peace with the arabs, i say that it can be done w/those like egypt, jordan, etc. it cannot be done w/islamofascists. WAKE UP! these people are consumed with eradicating israel by driving the jews into the sea...they say it over and over.
there is no way to negotiate with them -- it is kill or be killed.

it is the same situation the US finds itself in w/al qaeda...there is no possibility of negotiation or peace. it is kill or be killed.

The Jews aren't originally from Germany. They're from the part of the world that you call "arab lands."

Where do arabs get off decrying the presence of non-arabs in the middle east, and then moving by the MILLIONS into Europe and America. I could argue that Dearborn, Michigan is an arab colonial settlement. Should we fight their occupation? Should we start suicide bombing them until they give us our land back? What about France? There are 6 million arabs in France alone. There are 6 million Jews in Israel. You see where I'm headed with this? The Jews have at least merely returned to their ancestral homeland. The arabs have NO BUSINESS in Europe whatsoever. Maybe the arabs would have a change of philosophy if westerners started behaving and thinking as they do. Hmmmm....

Holocaust was a horrible part of history and should have never happened. But it did. Europeans AND America could have stopped Hitler if they chose to. Arabs had nothing to do witht he holocaust! The guilty party was Germany. Why punish palestinian for the holocaust? Why not make the state of Israel in Germany? If you did you will find that the Arabs will leave the Jewish people alone... But now the "terrorist" will be Germans, since they will want to get rid of Israel from Germany. The problem is not that the Arab people want to kill the jews, the problem is that the Europeans decided to put Israel in the middle of Arab lands and expect them to be ok with it!

What do the nazis and other non-nazi party assorted haters of jews want? The presence of Jews as a scattered minority in various countries led to the holocaust (after ages of persecution), and the return of Jews to Israel leads to calls for their destruction? Jews can't win with you people.

I think you'd find that Israel would be a very nice country if you stopped trying to destroy it and kill all the Jews within.

Carlisle, I would also call for removal of arabs from U.S. if they took over California and said that California was promised to them in their Koran.

Anyone who calls for the removal of Israel from the Middle East should also call for the removal of arabs from Europe and the U.S. Arabs do not belong here. Maybe we should blow up arabs in acts of "legitimate resistance."

To Sami,
Mangal Pandey was thousand times better than terrorist Nasaraallah. Mangal Pandey was brave man who fought like man did not hid himself in civilian population like impotent Nasrallah, He fought like brave man and died.

On the question of Muslim anger, they are angry people, leave aside question of Israel or Kashmir, they would find reason to get angry and would seek confilicts. If I am wrong then look at all the major conflicts in world rightly or wrongly they are one of the party.

My question is for the U.S congress and Senate. Why is it that whenever there is ANY issue of Israel vs Arabs that the congressmen and senators fall on top of each 0ther to support Israel? Why do all of them go to Israel as soon as they are elected to say that they are friends of Israel? Were they elected by the people of United states or the Pro Israel lobby? For once can they not stand for fairness and equality, the founding basis of America. Didn't our founding fathers say never to get too close to a country for it may lead America to where we don't want to be? Israel is located in the middle of Arab/muslim countries. It will always be under attack from either other muslim governments or gorrila groups (Hamas, Hezbollah, PLO, etc,etc,etc). Israel will always fight back for its survival. Someday, it will probably use the nuclear bomb when it feels really threatned. Are we still going to support them? These conflicts will never end until the U.S becomes an HONEST and FAIR broker for peace. Israel must negotiate a final settlement with the Palestineans and not enforce it on them. They can build walls all they want but there will NEVER be peace until both parties agree on a fair solution to the Palestinean/Israel conflict. Once both parties are happy, there will be no reason for extrimest groups popularity or their support. This will make America safer than it will be if we keep supporting Israel blindly.

Necessary for a start of a peace proces are:
1 a peaceforse in Libanon
2 A peaceforce in the by Israel occupied Palistinian land
3 As Israel has traumatic experience with 200o years pogroms and the holocaust it is an ill country. It needs a strong medicine. So Hezbollah, Hamas and Israel have to pay for that what they disrtoyeye after juy 1.

Rad Solution makes interesting point.
But my worry is that his solution will turn California into a Nazi Germany and we will be back to square one and ask a future Mr Balfour to help create Israel again!
OK,seriously I think the best solution to this crises lies with the King of Saudi Arabia.

USA is going to give Pakistan atleast 45, F-16 and it is going to give India nuclear power plants. Reminds me how Ronald Reagan's goverment was selling arms to both Iran and Iraq while they fought a brutal war. So Pakistan's F-16 will destroy India's nuclear plants? The Indian lobby is already working hard to stop the sale of F16. They were told that the US knows what is good for them. The US also knows what is good for Pakistan!
How have the leaders of the Subcontinent and its people forgotten the divide and rule policy of the British. My Indian collegues were gloating over the US-India nuclear deal.The same applies to Pakistanis when they think of F16. Reminds me of a line in Julius Ceasar "the fault dear Brutus in not in our stars" that we are such idiots. How about some self respect!
Common sense dictates that the threat to India and Pakistan from each other is nothing compared to the threat from a more powerful nation. Finally in case the readers have already forgotten what is mentioned above. Let me repeat; how India then a nation of over 200 million, had passed into slavery not very long ago.
And finally talking about terrorists: Mangal Pandey is no match to Hassan Nasrullah.

There will never be peace in the Middle East as long as there is a Nation of Israel there. Israel is like a festering wound to all the Nations in the Middle East. Without the Billions of American aid Israel is not in its self a viable Nation. The cost to maintain Israel in a hostile region is in the final analysis unsustainable & only increases the hate of American throughout the World & provide fuel & recruits for the terrorist. As long as Israel remains & this Nation keeps supporting Israel there will never be an end to wars and destruction in the Middle East nor will the more moderate Islam Mullahs prevail in the war of ideals about the Islam religion against the Islam extremist!

So in reality there are two choices for American:

A. Abandon Israel & quit providing Arms, & Aid to prop Israel up & let the Arab Nations destroy Israel. This Choice is something that will never be acceptable to the American Public or should it be! It would only embolden the Terrorist into thinking they could conquer the rest of Western Nations & increase terrorism!

B. Resettle the Israel people in the USA by evicting the Millions of Illegal Aliens in Calif. and selling the State to Israel for a homeland. Calif. is well on its way to becoming a dependant state of Mexico. It would be much better for the USA and the world for it to be a Jewish State. Mexico will turn the State into a Slum with rampant Crime, Corruption & Drugs. The Jewish people will turn into one of the worlds riches Nations on par with Japan.

There will never be peace in the Middle East as long as there is a Nation of Israel there. Israel is like a festering wound to all the Nations in the Middle East. Without the Billions of American aid Israel is not in its self a viable Nation. The cost to maintain Israel in a hostile region is in the final analysis unsustainable & only increases the hate of American throughout the World & provide fuel & recruits for the terrorist. As long as Israel remains & this Nation keeps supporting Israel there will never be an end to wars and destruction in the Middle East nor will the more moderate Islam Mullahs prevail in the war of ideals about the Islam religion against the Islam extremist!

So in reality there are two choices for American:

A. Abandon Israel & quit providing Arms, & Aid to prop Israel up & let the Arab Nations destroy Israel. This Choice is something that will never be acceptable to the American Public or should it be! It would only embolden the Terrorist into thinking they could conquer the rest of Western Nations & increase terrorism!

B. Resettle the Israel people in the USA by evicting the Millions of Illegal Aliens in Calif. and selling the State to Israel for a homeland. Calif. is well on its way to becoming a dependant state of Mexico. It would be much better for the USA and the world for it to be a Jewish State. Mexico will turn the State into a Slum with rampant Crime, Corruption & Drugs. The Jewish people will turn into one of the worlds riches Nations on par with Japan.

I would have thought that an American President would have the wisdom and the courage to publicly urge Israel to pursue a more diplomatic approach in the current crisis.

I would have thought that an American President would have the wisdom and the courage to publicly denounce the Israeli decision to escalate the crisis into a full-scaled war!!

I would have thought that this great country would have been able to elect a president with wisdom and courage!

Israel has to find a way to make friends with her neighbors no matter how difficult or how long it will take. The use of brutal force will only make thing worse in the long ran. This will be a very long process and unfortunately the patience is a virtue both the US and Israel do not possess.

"...Muslim anger on the street is being directed at Israel, America and Britain..."

That is the root cause of the problem, misdirected anger. Anger, if any, needs to be directed to their own leaders who have sold themselves and their respective nations to these very countries. By issuing little more than token statements, avoiding outright condemnation and providing no support, these guys are effectively cheering Israel, America and Britain on.

Rav makes a very good point.

Israel's excessive and heavy handed response to Hezbollah's provocation will likely increase the chances of further provocation.

Moreover, the terrorist powers behind Hezbollah must be rejoining. Israel has played right into their hands, creating more support for them and more importantly, greater hatred against Israeli's and the US which would not have happened at all if Israel and the US has responded like India.

I do not think force will solve the problems of the middle east. The US, Europe, China, Japan, the Arab Nations, Israel and Iran should meet and have a summit to discuss solutions to the problems in the middle east.

I think the question we must all be asking is: "What will it take to have peace in the middle east?" To find the answer, we must listen to what is beginning said by all sides.

Compare Israel's response to it's 3 kidnapped soldiers to India's response to hundred's dead and thousands innocents wounded from Mumbai terrorist act... And then compare vociferous US condemnation of Hezbollah and steadfast Israeli support to it's deafening silence vis-a-vis state-sponsored Pakistani terrorism.

What a world of difference and what double standards!!