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Turkey will not be integrated to Europe. Major issues remain unanswered:
. Human Rights
. Minorities
. Religious reciprocity
. Democratisation of its institutions...

Turkey may have progressed,it has a long way to go,yet.

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The issue presented by the adhesion of turkey to the European Union is in fact representing the actual image of occident and Islamic world relationship. Hence despite the Cypriot conflict, the Armenian genocide, and Greek standpoint vis-à-vis of the republic of turkey as ascendant region's power, the EU is allergic to any kind of influence of Islamic believes invading the old world.
The equation is very delicate, because of the involvement of multiple parties driven by different political strategies. Thus, on one hand, the United States and United Kingdom considering turkey as potential allies and supporting its merge to the EU; on other hand, the rest of Europe governed by the historical heritage negatively seen turkey as secure entity able to dissolve into a secular scheme.
There is another primordial parameter playing eminent role in this arena, the Vatican. Analyzing its position, it seems a paradox in the Pope perception; he wants Europe to preserve strongly its Christian values (the majority of the population of turkey are Muslims), and he supports the turkey accession.
The consequences of this confuse situation are disastrous essentially for Europe. The beginning of the 21st century is crucial moment for Europe to take clear and courageous stand by letting a marriage of diverse culture happen.

I think that Mr jamai, as he has a busniss backgroun, is not able to talk and give opinions about Turkish policies to integrate EU. It's not his busniss.

I really don't know what to think about certain Moroccans who prefer to insult other Moroccans just because they can have an opinion! More than that, many Moroccans prefers to intimidate and threaten other Moroccans because they express free opinions, by having the courage to express these opinions...I was treated on the recent message sent by ana horr in Arabic by Donkey who has nothing to do except insulting officials....!!! Where did you see me insulting officials?!!!
Even if I don't share all the opinions of aboubakr el jamai, or his understanding of political situation in Morocco and the world, I believe that at least he have the courage of his opinions...which is not the case unfortunately of many Moroccans...!
It's a secret for nobody that Turkey have a strong alliance with US administrations since the cold war, and it's a secret for nobody once again that it doesn't matter who is governing Turkey since this government in Turkey is considering the highly strategic interests of US administrations in this part of the world. This is what makes Turkey confident in her choices even if an Islamic government leads Turkey! And this is in reality what allows Turkey today to challenge the unfortunate Europe regarding all the questions of Human rights, or Armenian genocide, or even allows Turkey to expose to the world her obvious Islamic orientation.
What the unfortunate and ignorant (according to my compatriot) Moroccan that I am wanted to say is that the priority today in politics is the clash of interests between big powers that leads the world, and not the clash of civilisations or other pretexts to justify real time political acts.
If I posted this opinion and signed John or Robert, I think that Ana Horr will definitely show respect to my opinion, and other Moroccans will do...! But You know what, I could be John or Mitch, and I'll have the exact same opinion...because this is what people informed about politics thinks about Turkey's last events...!

Thank you!

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When France and Germany representing European countries asked officially Turkey to recognise the Armenian genocide, the public opinion as well as the officials in turkey decided to ignore European protests, judged it as non admissible and declared their dismissal of such accusations. Weeks after, when the caricatures of the prophet of Islam were published in the Danish newspaper, Turkey was the country where strong Muslim demonstrations took place and sent the message to the world that Islamic activism can also take place and inspire the world from the modern turkey... And When the Pope made his famous speech and mentioned Islam and the prophet of Islam, Turkey was again the place where the Pope's message was early interpreted and seriously rejected. Now that Turkey seems to have suddenly a strong position, and that the Pope himself decide to visit the country and bless the Turkey admission in the EU, just few weeks after his controversial speech or statement (who knows?) and after that the white House criticized strongly what he said...the game was never so obvious and clear as now! What I believe is that the singular and adventurer Pope have probably a recent promise of a voice at the Pentagon, and at the Church thing...in US, and maybe the pay check that comes with, and that France and Germany are defeated and leading Europe on a looser Poker game where they cannot win since Turkey is working tightly and traditionally with the US administration in order to bring the central-Asian fully loaded pipeline on it's territories and serve the US! Turkey still and will have so many roles to play as a bridge and strategic platform between the rich and new independent republics of the ancient USSR, and the US$$$, but not Europe! Because Europe according to US official specialists can win enough through the EU industrial and economic partnership with Turkey! Gentlemen, Turkey is also a traditional base for the uncle Sam in the area...and have in charge the maintenance of the Multi nuclear missile launch stations targeting Moscow... just in case! Who cares about Islam, Christianity, Turkish, Armenians, Europeans, or clash of civilisations or what ever? You Guys, what do you think?

I'm muslim Yes, and I could be zoulou, doesn't matter, but i don't think I'm stupid !

Karim, you make very valid points regarding Israel, and i'm not necessarily arguing that its state creation was something good or anything like that. Just the basic premise that it appears to us over here in the US (and i know we are only educated by the biased media and what little research we do) that the Muslim World seems to want the West to accomodate them, but they seem to do little in return to accomodate the West.

I mean many state are and were created by force throughout history. Many of the current states in the Middle East were created arbitarily by outside powers who drew lines wherever they wanted to (causing many problems today). The bigger issue in many minds is the impression that its not so much how Israel was created and their indefensible treatment of Palestinians, but the mere fact that Arabs are outraged that there could even be a State for Jews. I mean there were some Jews in the Middle East for millenia, so even if they "created" a state in a one mile by one mile square for the however hundreds of thousands of jews that were already rightfully in palestine, it seems that Arabs would protest.

And actually I'm half Spanish and my mom was born in Ceuta and as much as i want to i can't really defend the continued spanish presence in Morocco. 2 minor cities like that aren't really part of spain they are literally outposts in another country.

But even the borders of Turkey and Greece were established by force. If the Western powers had decided they wanted to ensure there was no "turkey" in europe they could have easily sided with greece, bulgaria etc. and made it so at that time. Would that have made it right? Was it right they pushed turkey back as far as they did. All states are just arbitary creations, lines on a map.

Brian:

Turkey didn't implant itself in the heart of Europe by force. The Ottoman empire was basically pushed back to its Turkish roots.

Israel was implanted by force, against the will of the majority, and then evicted out hundred thousands of natives....all of this based on a religious text that is over 4000 years old day.

Even if we wanted to forgive Israel's original sin of 1948, why does this state continue to occupy and kill the refugees in their refugees camps for almost 40 years?

Was it not enough that they kicked these people out? Did they have to chase them in their miserable refugee camps too?

2 cities in northern Morocco on the African continent belong to Spain which is a European country. So technically, there is a European presence on Moroccan lands.

Please Brain, think again about what you wrote.

I find it hilarious that the "muslim world" seeks acceptance into the european world through turkey's entrance into the EU, while at the same time rejecting any similar acceptance of Israel's "european colonization" of Palestine. Nevermind the fact that most if not all israelis are semitic people that originate from the middle east, even if they were all european what is the difference? You can't have it both ways, either you accept a "european" (which it isn't) presence in the middle east, after which you can argue for a more middle eastern presence in europe. But you can't be anti-european in the middle east and demand europe open its borders to north african and middle-eastern muslims who want to emigrate as well as a whole nation, 75% of which is not European at all. Well, unless you aren't really interested in working together and just want to have your cake and eat it too.....nah, couldn't be!

Michael:

Newsweek is a corporation that packages and sells what they call news for your average soccer mom or dad who don't even know where Turkey sits on the map of the world. Perhaps I could remind you that their primary business is not news, it is to sell ads. They have to keep their customers entrained enough so they read through the ads.

Anything that appears in Newsweek as "analysis" should be thrown in the toilet, where it belongs.

Did you notice who wrote that piece of propaganda? The Hudson Institute. This conservative organization is yet another mecca for neo-cons and war-mongers whose job is to start and win as many wars as possible (so they can feel good about themselves).

The Hudson's president, Herbert London, has openly called on Bush to strike Iran. Why doesn't someone ask this coward war-monger, whose salary at the institute is about 200K, to join the foot soldiers, who are paid NOTHING, to do what he says?

This is not a check-out line at Safeway or Giant where Newsweek magazine and their likes are read; so please spare us all that gibberish that comes from Newsweek and co.

It is a POLISHED tabloid magazine.

Moh:

"EU is not ready for Turkey everyone knows it and the Pope knows it: Too Muslim, too ethnic.. Just like the Bahrain -western economy wanabe- ports deal and Washington. Remember?"

I couldn't agree with you anymore.

Turks must either convert to Western Christianity or outlaw Islam.

The port company was based in UAE not Bahrain.

Despite the fact that the UAE government is pro-US (they do as Washington dictates), they can't be trusted.

Those bloody Muslims will always be Muslims no matter what!

Let's try to fill in some gaps before we all clash into each other in total darkness under the papal cloak.

In 2004 Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported the Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI saying: Europe is a "cultural continent, not a geographic one,", and Turkey has "always represented another continent... in permanent contrast with Europe,"

The cardinal publicly cautioned Europe against admitting Islamic Turkey and wrote to bishops the reason for his stand: http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kralis/050420

"..Turkey is founded upon Islam...Thus the entry of Turkey into the EU would be anti-historical... We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego and one's own desires."

Since it is excruciatingly hard for me to believe that he changed his mind about what he said as recently as 2004 and 2005, then why did he really made the trip Turkey?

Does it have anything at all to do with establishing papacy as the supreme representative of Christianity?

How about backing up Greek Orthodox Patriarchate against the Russian Church.

What about THE PRIZE: meeting Patrick Bartholomew after 1000 years of waiting! East merges with the West and voila! Romano civitas ergo sum. In Moroccan we call it "TLATA OU DAMA"

EU is not ready for Turkey everyone knows it and the Pope knows it: Too Muslim, too ethnic.. Just like the Bahrain -western economy wanabe- ports deal and Washington. Remember?

The Pope also knew from the get go that his visit would have no baring whatsoever on the EU decision while both the Germans and the French oppose it. So what are we buying into here? A dialogue of civilizations? Which ones and how many are there?

Oct.1st 2001 BBC1, reported Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the church's interests ahead of child safety..
Telling ya, the man knows where his priorities are and Turkey Ain't. that's I could think of for now thanks for the post. (with no p*ss )
Noticed the two italicized words I understand the second one, what's in the first? If anyone can help, or maybe Mr. AJ can join in and help skin this turkey
My break is over

Moh

Spurred by the prospect of EU admission countries such as Turkey have, against many odds, proved that they could undergo significant institutional and political transformation in a relatively short time-span. Even the political forces which have been the guardians of the status-quo since the inception of the modern Turkish state, are now accepting to engage in debate about their role in the political system.

This may be a ludicrous proposition, but would the carrot of EU accession, even as a mirage, be the best thing that could happen to a country like Morocco. It would satisfy the narcissism of those who, while concentrating all political and economic power, are increasingly sensitive and dependent on the country's "positive international image". But most importantly it would provide an irreversible and nonnegotiable impetus for political liberalization, constitutional reform, the development of strong independent institutions and the promotion of a human rights agenda and culture...

off topic sorry, but that's the first thing that came to my mind when reading this post...

So much omitted from this article , it's not even funny! Turkey signed an agreement that it will open its ports and airports to Cyprus and failed to honor it with the excuse that EU did not honor a promise to do the same for the Turkish Cypriots. Notice the words though, one was an obligation the other was a promise.

"The jury is still out on whether a strong secular-minded military has been the main driver behind this evolution."

Is that a Moroccan Jury? The military had to intervene 10 years ago to put Turkey back on track and might have to do it again soon. EU removes power from the military, which might lead to an unchecked "religious" government. Read: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15894450/site/newsweek/ and http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_sibel_ed_061129_sibel_edmonds_3a_the_h.htm

Turkey, with a lot of pressure from their military, might be considered secular compared to other Muslim countries, but they have a lot of way to go to reach EU's definition of secular.

Mr. Aboubakr, read the above articles and tell me if this is a country one would allow to become the 28th EU state or the 51st US state. US is now pressuring EU to allow Turkey to continue membership talks. If US likes them so much, we should let them join us instead.

Mr. Jamai is right to applaud the pope for supporting Turkey's position. Though, the move is symbolic as the pope has very little clout when it comes to influencing decision making in EU circles.

In the past, the pope has stated that Turkey was not compatible with European values. Perhaps, he is now convinced that respect, engagement and dialogue are the the best courses of action to marginalize extremists, build bridges and promote much needed reforms in the Muslim world.