Spitzer's Prostitution Scandal


New York State governor Eliot Spitzer admits he hired a prostitute. Should people care, and why?

Posted by David Ignatius and Fareed Zakaria on March 11, 2008 8:22 AM

Readers’ Responses to Our Question (59)

MikeB :

Look, what Spitzer did was immoral, it was awful, and he should have resigned. But, late news is that certain Wall Street pirates investigated him, set him up, did all of this to derail his investigations of Wall Street corruption. Now, given the amount of damage done by "derivatives" and some of the new creative festering time bombs coming out of Wall Street, their interference in politics (and there are direct reports that the current attacks o Obama and his church are a direct result of his refusing Wall Street "ownership") , I'd say we have bigger fish to fry here. In simple terms of human misery, Wall Street is of greater evil and potential harm than Iran's nuclear program. And we let these international criminals run amuck with no oversight? Come on, compared to the average broker, Eliot Spitzer is a saint...so is Osama Bin Laudin.

G.Pope :

How naive are most Americans? The fact of the matter is that most white male elite Americans participate in such behavior believing that they are entitled to do so as a privilege of their position in life. Indeed, if the entire truth was revealed there would be many, many prominent names along with Spitzer's, but since this was an intentional public lynching and vendetta launched by the NY Republicans only Spitzer's extramarital activities were publicly revealed. Obviously, he should have been able to control his actions better when he knew his enemies were definitely out to get him any way possible.
Nevertheless, most white, elite and powerful males all over the world operate daily engaging in such activities as a matter of course which everyone is fully aware so why is there such a media event for man's oldest sexual escapade which has never stopped him from doing his profession or ruling most countries, so why are we stoppping Spitzer??? Because someone Republicans wanted him out of their way to continue conducting their corrupt business as usual in New York. Another sad day in America for truth and doing the right thing!!!!

Shiveh :

David Brooks has a great essay in today’s NY Times. This is the link. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/opinion/14brooks.html?ref=opinion

Interestingly he talks about the exact same sickness infecting the powerful that I mentioned in my post 3 days ago. Only he does a better job with his exceptional ability to write. Maybe our friend “Dislikes” can understand David better than he did me.

I find it more constructive to understand why otherwise very smart and able politicians do silly things, than to kick a man that has already fallen on his face.

This country is at a very critical point in its history. Our president is getting dangerously close to make the final mistake of his presidency by attacking yet another country; a mistake that we can not afford to make. Distractions like Spitzer story can only keep us away from our real problems.

Joe :

No., The world doesnt and nether do most Americans. What a waste of time fof rhaving so-called experts from other countries comment on this? Who cares what they think about a locall issue.

New Yorkers and Spitzer's family may care, bu thats it. Move on.

Shiveh :

Dislikes,

You completely misunderstood my post. But it is OK. What is the story on Israeli officers you are talking about? It sounds interesting.

mohammad allam :

yes people should care as he holds the key position of administration.

dislikes :


SHIVEH,

I recall reading that political and military leaders in Israel, your point of reference apparently, long belived in the rights of senior, and belived they had a right to young females if they liked, particularly young female soldiers.

A defense used recently in the several sexual
charges there, a mayor and a military man.
DO DENY IT...we'll find the confirming stories soon enough.

Meantime, your post is disgusting.

dislikes :


SHIVEH,

I recall reading that political and military leaders in Israel, your point of reference apparently, long belived in the rights of senior, and belived they had a right to young females if they liked, particularly young female soldiers.

A defense used recently in the several sexual
charges there, a mayor and a military man.
DO DENY IT...we'll find the confirming stories soon enough.

Meantime, your post is disgusting.

elissa :

OF COURSE the world cares...the fall of an arrogant holier than thou crook is good for a laugh anywhere. And in this competitive world, made so explicitly lately by America's heavy hand and tanks abroad, fuel such as the disgusting Spitzer's behavior is mana.

The foreign minister of France, supposed to be a great Amerian friend like his boss Sarkozy, says America has "lost it's magic, and will not soon, if ever regain it".

Vivian Sessoms :

New York State governor Eliot Spitzer admits he hired a prostitute. Should people care, and why?

Of course people should care, but they don’t. People should care for the simple reason that Spitzer’s behavior reeks of the same decadence and moral corruption evident in the Iraq invasion and the plight of millions of the nation’s most deprived homeless men and women who sleep on cardboard boxes at night in the richest nation in the world. We live in a world of contradictions where a person’s worth is determined by their bank account or lack of one. We live in a nation in which millions of Americans are without adequate health care, and live in poverty. We are a nation of gluttons who consume 80% of the world resources, who support illegal wars, and reward wall-street criminals who rob the public coffers of millions of dollars without fear of punishment or imprisonment.

Of course we should care – but we don’t. We didn’t care when a Black man was dragged to his death behind a pickup truck driven by white men in Jasper Texas. His name as James Bryd and he was 49 years old. That was 10 years ago, but time doesn’t matter. We didn’t care today when a 10 year old Iraq girl was shot to death by US soldiers because she didn’t stop when told to do so. No one cares about that any more than people care about the 4,000 American soldiers and the 1 million Iraqis who have died since the illegal invasion of Iraq. We have become a nation of criminals guilty by association: The Sodom and Gomorrah of the modern era. Should we care? Of course we should. But we don’t. Spitzer is a reflection of what we have become.

Vivian Sessoms :

New York State governor Eliot Spitzer admits he hired a prostitute. Should people care, and why?

Of course people should care, but they don’t. People should care for the simple reason that Spitzer’s behavior reeks of the same decadence and moral corruption evident in the Iraq invasion and the plight of millions of the nation’s most deprived homeless men and women who sleep on cardboard boxes at night in the richest nation in the world. We live in a world of contradictions where a person’s worth is determined by their bank account or lack of one. We live in a nation in which millions of Americans are without adequate health care, and live in poverty. We are a nation of gluttons who consume 80% of the world resources, who support illegal wars, and reward wall-street criminals who rob the public coffers of millions of dollars without fear of punishment or imprisonment.

Of course we should care – but we don’t. We didn’t care when a Black man was dragged to his death behind a pickup truck driven by white men in Jasper Texas. His name as James Bryd and he was 49 years old. That was 10 years ago, but time doesn’t matter. We didn’t care today when a 10 year old Iraq girl was shot to death by US soldiers because she didn’t stop when told to do so. No one cares about that any more than people care about the 4,000 American soldiers and the 1 million Iraqis who have died since the illegal invasion of Iraq. We have become a nation of criminals guilty by association: The Sodom and Gomorrah of the modern era. Should we care? Of course we should. But we don’t. Spitzer is a reflection of what we have become.

Vivian Sessoms :

New York State governor Eliot Spitzer admits he hired a prostitute. Should people care, and why?

Of course people should care, but they don’t. People should care for the simple reason that Spitzer’s behavior reeks of the same decadence and moral corruption evident in the Iraq invasion and the plight of millions of the nation’s most deprived homeless men and women who sleep on cardboard boxes at night in the richest nation in the world. We live in a world of contradictions where a person’s worth is determined by their bank account or lack of one. We live in a nation in which millions of Americans are without adequate health care, and live in poverty. We are a nation of gluttons who consume 80% of the world resources, who support illegal wars, and reward wall-street criminals who rob the public coffers of millions of dollars without fear of punishment or imprisonment.

Of course we should care – but we don’t. We didn’t care when a Black man was dragged to his death behind a pickup truck driven by white men in Jasper Texas. His name as James Bryd and he was 49 years old. That was 10 years ago, but time doesn’t matter. We didn’t care today when a 10 year old Iraq girl was shot to death by US soldiers because she didn’t stop when told to do so. No one cares about that any more than people care about the 4,000 American soldiers and the 1 million Iraqis who have died since the illegal invasion of Iraq. We have become a nation of criminals guilty by association: The Sodom and Gomorrah of the modern era. Should we care? Of course we should. But we don’t. Spitzer is a reflection of what we have become.

Vivian Sessoms :

New York State governor Eliot Spitzer admits he hired a prostitute. Should people care, and why?

Of course people should care, but they don’t. People should care for the simple reason that Spitzer’s behavior reeks of the same decadence and moral corruption evident in the Iraq invasion and the plight of millions of the nation’s most deprived homeless men and women who sleep on cardboard boxes at night in the richest nation in the world. We live in a world of contradictions where a person’s worth is determined by their bank account or lack of one. We live in a nation in which millions of Americans are without adequate health care, and live in poverty. We are a nation of gluttons who consume 80% of the world resources, who support illegal wars, and reward wall-street criminals who rob the public coffers of millions of dollars without fear of punishment or imprisonment.

Of course we should care – but we don’t. We didn’t care when a Black man was dragged to his death behind a pickup truck driven by white men in Jasper Texas. His name as James Bryd and he was 49 years old. That was 10 years ago, but time doesn’t matter. We didn’t care today when a 10 year old Iraq girl was shot to death by US soldiers because she didn’t stop when told to do so. No one cares about that any more than people care about the 4,000 American soldiers and the 1 million Iraqis who have died since the illegal invasion of Iraq. We have become a nation of criminals guilty by association: The Sodom and Gomorrah of the modern era. Should we care? Of course we should. But we don’t. Spitzer is a reflection of what we have become.

JRLR :

Raphael writes : "Wake up world. Who cares about who Eliot Spitzer has sex with... I don't even want to know... Get serious folks. Wake up... China is at the top of the human right's violations list, but we'd rather have a cheap pair of jeans and watch the Olympics on our Chinese made widescreen... Wake up. Worry about things that matter for a change. If we're going to moralize let's start with issues where lives are at stake."

Such a valuable and timely suggestion!

China issued on Thursday the Human Rights Record of the United States in 2007 ("US human rights violations exposed") in response to the Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2007 issued by the US Department of State on Tuesday.

That report is substantial and well worth reading. It is my opinion it should be reproduced in full and discussed in detail, in the US media.

"We should try to rise to a minimal level of moral integrity; to do so requires that if we think something is wrong when THEY do it, it is wrong when WE do it... If we’re serious we should be concerned about what WE do and what we CAN do. If there is an elementary moral truism that’s it! People don’t understand that, they’re just not in the moral universe." (Noam Chomsky)

Raphael :

Wake up world. Who cares about who Eliot Spitzer has sex with...I don't even want to know. That's not news. How about caring about Tibetan monks being beaten and raped with electric cattle prods for praying? Thats news. Those are the kinds of things that need the world's attention. People being starved and slaughtered daily that the world doesn't care one bit about. Not Britney's lack of underwear. Not Clinton's oral sex. Get serious folks. Wake up. Millions of people are in serious trouble. China is at the top of the human right's violations list, but we'd rather have a cheap pair of jeans and watch the Olympics on our Chinese made widescreen. Every 6 seconds another baby starves while billions more disappear into defense budgets. People can't pay their mortgage but credit cards are still loan sharking at 32% interest. Wake up. Worry about things that matter for a change. If we're going to moralize let's start with issues where lives are at stake.

Raphael :

Wake up world. Who cares about who Eliot Spitzer has sex with...I don't even want to know. That's not news. How about caring about Tibetan monks being beaten and raped with electric cattle prods for praying? Thats news. Those are the kinds of things that need more world's attention. people being starved and slaughtered daily that the world doesn't care one thougth about. Not Britney's lack of underwear. Not Clinton's oral sex. Get serious folks. Wake up. Millions of people are in serious trouble. China is at the top of the human right's violations list, but we'd rather have a cheap pair of jeans and watch the Olympics on our Chinese made widescreen. Wake up. Worry about things that matter for a change.

Mike :

Should we as Americans care if the world cares about Spitzer?

Sky :

We elect people to public office, what they do in their personal lives does not affect the public. Lying to the country to wage a war that is draining us financially, morally, politically, that has and will ruin many lives....that is immoral.

Takyettin :

almost in every country of the world, most of politicians do or try the immorality like this, but generally they accomplish to keep it secret, yet some clumsy and unlucky people arent able to hide it like Spitzer. so this is not a disaster or an unforgivable sin, at least smaller sin than sins of politicians who drag all world into the catastrophe and cause to the death of thousand of people. and ı think this is a normal behavior for the american society. poor spitzer ı wish he could be more careful or had some strong relations with some experienced politicians in order to get some advice

to sean :

You must be running an international prostitution network!

Sean :

So this is what the great "thinkers" of the world are carrying on about? We're doomed.

Taymooor :

When the Clinton-Lewinsky affair came up in the late 90s, we were told, by the media, that the nation was shocked. Parents also appeared in news coverage saying" what are we gonna tell our children?".

If one wanted to learn about the despicable hypocrisy of the American society in its simple form, that was the best time.

Anyone who lived in the USA at that time would have known that the American children would do worst things than what Clinton had done. They would even do things that Clinton would have never dreamed of doing when he was a child!

One would even hear that many Americans objected to what Clinton had done out of pure envy. They envied him because he enjoyed power and lust.

I don't really want to mention how immoral the life of college students in the US is because what happened between the fifth-graders in that Louisiana school, who had sex in a class room in front of other class mates, was so horrific and disgusting that makes other sorts of immoral American filth seems normal.

I also don't want to mention Abu Graib's sadism because it happened out side the US and all of us know that Americans don't really care about what happens outside their country.

Therefore the answer to your question is NO people must not care because it is considered a value in the American, and Western, way of life, and if they object to it, they will be hypocrites.

The fact that you want to export such values to the Moslem World, by force, is abominable!!

One thing I see interesting to mention here is that American and Western societies aren't the only hypocritical ones, Turkey is another example.

Debauchery in Turkey is allowed by law and is considered a part of a modern Western society, by their definition.

The problem is how would secular Turks and other Turkish intellectuals and writers, especially those who are advertised by western media, define moral values since Islam and its symbols are loathed in Turkey under the protection of the Army and the secular principles.

Those Turks who are/were affiliated to the Army, Masonic lodges, or general secular elite -who claim that their country is a Moslem and secular while they are fighting Islam, which is a source of morality- say "why don't our children live by the values by which we lived under our father, the Ataturk".
They say those words when everybody knows that Ataturk's last days were full of women and alcohol. They say those word when they are abhorred by the life their children and grandchildren lead.

However, because they are full of disgrace and hate, they want to ruin the morals of other Turkish children in every single way they can.

Probably Americans share the same feeling which those Turkish hatful seculars do when they look at the children of the Moslem World!!!

Michelle :

This issue transcends party lines - it is a well known fact in Washington that "escort services" are alive and well and prospering. Mark Foley was protected by a Washington insider network of homosexuals. Everybody's doing it - one way or another, regardless of political leaning, Republican or Democrat. As mentioned, Rush Limbaugh, Rudy Giuliani, Henry Hyde and many others all have been exposed as adulterers.

Hypocrisy abounds in the Republican Party - what I find ironic in general about things of this nature is the willingness of the Republican Party to waive these things aside for the party's benefit. Up until the Mark Foley incident, Republicans were pretty well tefloned on this topic - with their control of both House and Senate, and with the president being of the same party, it wasn't an issue. After the Foley flap cost them the majority (along with other things, but I believe it was a tipping point), the party reaction to things of this nature became very self-preservationist. Larry "wide-stance" Craig is still a Senator, as well as Senator Vetter. I see no calls for house-cleaning in this instance.

In the Spitzer affair, it is more than just an issue of soliciting a call girl, there may have been a mis-appropriation of funds. If this is found to be the case, he should resign.


For an extensive list of Republican sexual sins - see: http://www.armchairsubversive.org/

some mentioned here are not as prominent, but my point is this is happening everywhere. For Republicans to say they have the high moral ground is a blatant lie - it is a statement that is done for political purposes only, and anyone that thinks that the Republican Party actually practices what they preach has to take off their rose-colored glasses and smell the coffee.


Our politicians are not immune to cultural influences- this nation has to realize that they can't keep showing the stuff they do on TV and cable, and expect everyone to be a saint.


JRLR :

One can tell a country is in dire straits when so many of its citizens do not hesitate to conclude that:

1. to be governed by the corrupt is "no big deal";

2. to be governed by an honest man does not make such a difference after all.

Must have been a while since those people saw an honest man in action.

BobL-VA :

Follow up:

First, this isn't a republican or democrat issue. It's a societal issue. We are fully aware that both democrats and republicans alike have acted badly in this arena for years. Either side throwing stones at the other is engaging in their own form of hypcracy.

Second, other unacceptable acts by politcans don't excuse and/or explain/condone Spitzer's case. Whether GW has broken a series of laws and committed what I consider acts against humanity is irrelevant to the Spitzer case. What Bill Clinton did with Monica and Paula is irrelevant to this case as are the Minnesota airport incident and the Congressional Page scandal. Spitzer made his own bed (pun intended) and now must lie in it all by himself.

Harry Andersson :

Perhaps being so open minded my brains might fall out, Spitzer might be forgiven his rampant libido. But he simply cannot be forgiven for his monument stupidity.

BobL-VA :

While being a hypocrite is nothing new to American politics Spitzer's hypocracy is especially troublesome. This man, who as Attorney General for New York oversaw the prosecution of prostitution rings, engaged in the very behavior he was willing to put other people in jail for. It is the classic example of do as I say and not as I do. I'll enforce the law as AG, but it doesn't apply to me? The obvious question for Mr. Spitzer is what other laws don't apply to you.

Whether prostitution should be legal outside of a few counties in Nevada is a question the individual States should take up. Personally, I don't think there should be any laws banning prostitution, but I'm probably in the minority on this position. However, society has deemed it illegal in most of the country and if anyone should have kown they were breaking the law it should have been Spitzer. His engaging in this activity wasn't a statement of civil disobedience to bring attention to a law that probably needs to be changed. No, quite the contrary it was a statement of I'm above the very laws I've sworn an oath to uphold.

Should he resign? Absolutely. Today wouldn't be soon enough. This should be followed up with the loss of his license to practice law.

Dyed-in-the-wool Liberal :

I am a dyed-in-the-wool liberal with "Impeach Bush" and "Repeal the 2-nd amendment" bumper stickers on my car. I think that Spitzer should resign. Immediately. One can debate what is private and what is not, what is moral and what is not, until our noses bleed. The point is: prostitution is illegal and Mr Spitzer knew it better than most. His actions show a shocking level of recklessness and stupidity, and extraordinarily bad judgement. This alone is enough to make an immediate resignation necessary.

But, of course, there is more. Whatever we think about the need to hold the public officials to a high moral standard, manifest and brazen hypocricy is unacceptable. Mr Spitzer vigorously prosecuted others for prostitution, and he now should be held to his own standard.

Finally, it is clear that if Spitzer attempts to hang on, it will paralyze the state government and make it impossible for him to be an effective givernor (not to mention a possible federal prosecution, public testimony, and all the other tardy details that are likely to follow).

Mr Spitzer did a lot of good things for the people of New York. I, for one, think that his much maligned driver's licence plan was a good idea.

But now, for the sake of the people of New York, he needs to resign immediately. Anything else would be selfish and irresponsible. And, incidentally, it is time for the Democrats to get some back-bone on this issue, and to call for his resignation.

Yousuf Hashmi :

Some time I am puzzled that how the Americans are living two lives. On one hand they want to be liberal, promote sexuality issues, make those icons hero who are having liberal personnel and sex lives , does't want to watch any movie or soap which does not have some intimate adultry scenes but change suddenly 180 degree when it comes to political leaders.

I watch spitzer issue casually on bbc news. But it appears to be much bigger issue for domestic US audience. The question is if someting is wrong then it is wrong for every body.

The politians are part of the society. so they will perform exactly how the society is performing. this is true that the society elect thenm give them un limited powers, wealth and money and expect them to be saint.

This is a confusion i have, not for US but all other nations. And apparantly i do not find a logical answer for that

The more logical answer i find with the jesus telling the people that the first stone to be thrown by those who have not committed any sin

but by resigning one man the political elites will not become truly ethical humans. they will remain what we all are. they are part of us and so may be they will be a little discreet for sake of their position.

The people should not care too much for that . Their next generation will follow the path of those who are closely related with them or to those whom they think heroes, the movie stars or sports persons.

Barry Moyer :

Another distraction for a nation of imbeciles.

jb :

Should people care if a law is broken, in particular by one of their elected officials? What a rediculous question. Since when are laws to be obeyed or ignored according to ones personal opinion, postion in government, financial status or the perpetrators personal opinion of the laws morality, ethics, fairness or what have you? Until the law is repealed it is the law. Tough cookies. Prostitution is illegal in Washington DC. It is illegal in New York State. If ones chooses to disobey the law, then they may very well be prosecuted for that offense. If you are not willing to do the time, don't risk doing the crime.

John C. Love :

Here in France, it would not be such a big deal. While the behavior is not acceptable, it is, after all, private matter. If I were Mrs. Spitzer, I would be very concerned, but as a citizen do the Americans have nothing else to occupy their time.

oneofakind :

What would happen to the average citizen?

Loose his wife, or get thrown out?
– Probably, or at least sleep in the doghouse forever.
-BIG trouble with the law? Yes!
-Loose your job if/when your name makes the crime sheet in the paper? Very likely.


Politicians, however, have shown time and again they are different than the average citizen.

John Hicks :


1. You are a high elected official.
Which is most likely to get you run out of town on a rail?

a) hiring a prostitute
b) writing 3 trillion dollars in IOUs to America's biggest rival
c) secretly torturing suspected prisoners of war
d) killing 4000 American sons and daughters in a questionable war

answer: a

2. You are a high elected official. You are caught with a young woman other than your wife.
Which is most likely to get you run out of town on a rail?

a) paying her $200 in public money
b) paying her $4000 in your own money, twice as much as your voters spend in a year on their own family vacations
c) paying her nothing, just two ice creams

answer: c

3. You are a high elected official.
Which is most likely to get you run out of town on a rail?

a) fining wealthy lawbreakers
b) emptying the treasury into the pockets of wealthy lawbreakers

answer: a

Score: If you got one or more wrong, where have you been, Rip Van Winkle, for the last two Presidents?

Liberals suck :

Its typical of libs, a culture of cheaters. He and bill clinton are exactly why this country elected George Bush and will continue to elect president's that emulate a higher moral authority. I hope his wife waterboards him, not that it would do anything.

csavargo :

A good read on the case :
"Spitzer tripped up on laws he enforced"
By SAMANTHA GROSS and DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writers
Among other things, it points out that banks alert the government that a suspicious transaction has occurred about half a million times a year, even if they involve far less money than $10K.
So much for Spitzer singled out by the government.

Kim Porter :

Come on people, we know that most politicians
are taught Duplicity 101 early in their career.
Spitzer is no different than other politicians
albeit Democrat or Republicans. As citizens, we
should ignore party lines and vote to rid our
government of the weasels, snakes, and liars that have inudated both parties. Spitzer should do
what he knows to be best for his state!

VVA :

One point that is missed is that Mr. Spitzer is a representative of the law. He was an AG who was prosecuting law violators and now as a governor he signs new laws for NY state. So he knowingly violated laws, and therefore he is a "dirty cop". He should be prosecuted for that.

EricO :

Roderick L. Trotter Sr, an Arkansas state trooper, was fired for propositioning two women to have sex. The state police commander who fired him testified that his conduct "bordered on soliciting prostitution", and that Trotter's actions were "unprofessional and unacceptable." So you can keep your job if you actually solicit prostitution, but you lose it if your conduct borders on soliciting prostitution... Steal a little and they throw you in jail; steal a lot and they make you king (governor). Must be nice to afford a high-powered legal team. Bet all the people sitting in prisons today for similar offenses wish they could afford an hour or so of time from the New York law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind Wharton & Garrison. Whatever happened to holding elected officials to an equal standard, much less a higher standard?

Dubhlaoich :

He can always move to France and run for president. There his off time activities would be considered a qualification.

M.J.Eizen :

Governor Spitzer should resign, immediately, for the good of the citizens of the State of New York. While acting as attorney, he championed morality, and right and wrong in absolute terms. If he does anything else other than resign, it would be hypocrisy to the ultimate degree. The old saying: "hoisted by his own petard" is most appropriate here.

John :

Those demanding Spitzer's resignation but failing to demand that Bush and Cheney et al be impeached are curiously hypocritical. Isn't a series of lies about WMDs that resulted in perhaps a million deaths worse than consenting sex between adults?

Republicans and Wall Streeters care little for morality, but probably want to get even with Spitzer because he discovered their criminal actions. Whose criminal actions hurt more people?

Lawrence P. Payne :

I believe that our leaders should be held to a higher standard, and should obey all laws, at all times. In Eliot Spitzers case, prostitution is illegal in the United States.

MikeB :

Any man or woman who would so casually throw the emotional lves of the spouse and children away is not fit to hold any leadership position. Imagine, if you will that your spouse robbed a store. Could you forgive them, wait for them to geet out of jail, put it behind you. I could. Most people could. I've been married to a wonderful woman for 29 years. Now, imagine what you would feel if you found they had been unfaithful. The sheer *violation* of YOU, of the marriage vows, the destruction of trust is FOREVER. Go read the statistics on marriages that have experienced this, read what marriage counselors write and see. No marriage ever gets over infidelity. Governor Spitzer caused permant damage to his marriage, to his children, to their trust, and to the public's trust. He needs to resign or be removed from office at once.

RS :

So...
"The case started when banks noticed frequent cash transfers from several accounts and filed suspicious activity reports with the Internal Revenue Service, a law enforcement official told the AP."...And somewhere I saw the total moved around and split up (structuring) was $15K...

Isn't it a bit curious that a bank or banks would get suspicuious at transactions totalling up to $15K? And then that the IRS and the Bureau would jump into it? Its got to be good news though since all more serious crime in this country must be solved so that the Service and the Bureau now has time to go after Spitzer and Kristen. BTW... has anyone seen this Kristen? At $3k /hr she must be ....

we-only-live-once :


Should or shouldn't blame Dr. Eliot Spitzer????

I can only guess that Mr. Eliot Spitzer really wanted to spend some money to a prostitute to assist her from financial difficulty?
Maybe this is a good attitude to assist another individual? or at least to help her to pay her bills?
How many good men, bad men, white men, blac men, yellow men, dark brown men, young men, old men, almost-dead men on this planet have spent money to prostitutes??
Pls answer this question!

If Mr. Spitzer used corrupted, robbered the bank to pay a prostitute then he must be sentenced! otherwise, his clean money used to support a prostitute seems to be non-related to criminal activity??? unless he run a business in prostitution! then it can be consdered as a crime!


Lisa :

Yes this is a CRIME story more than a SEX story. The fact that cable and MSM only are reporting it as a sex story is unfortunate. This is about tax evasion, money laundering, organized crime on an international scale and if feds worked with Interpol probably links to drugs and trafficking of women, even minors could be found. How wide is this and deep is this ring? Besides the model types offered up to service wealthy clients did they have connections/links to individuals that traffic minors from Eastern Europe and Asia? He knew exactly what international prostitution rings are and what he was doing when demanding "not safe" acts from these women. He needs to resign, I think that criminal charges should be filed.

weddle :

a democrat paying for sex HE WOULD BE A GOOD
VP FOR CLINTON HE AND BILL COULD HANG OUT WITH
EACH OTHER THEIR WIVES COULD BECOME A ITEM
HE COULD BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR OBAMA AS A VP
OBAMA COULD SHOW HIM HOW TO RAISE MONEY FOR
HIS SSEXUAL PLEASURES

Mfoley :

As said above this quesiton incorporates the idea of Ethical Leadership. The portion of this alligation which the NY public should care about is the question of where the $4000 dollars came from the governor used to pay for the prostitute. It has been eleged that the funds came from a business or government credit card. In which case, the beloved NY governer just used tax payer money to get a quick- not so cheep- thrill. In the case this is true—he should resign and face the proper athorities for his crime.

However remember this:

Simply put- We have had many great and beloved political leaders who have "had trouble keeping their zippers up." Think about Nixon, Clinton, Gingrish, and many many others. All of these men are looked at for being excrptional leaders at some point in their careers- yet not the most exceptional husbands. I think the second portion of this the American public should consider is the importance of which we base our political leader’s life style. Many years ago without the popular technology we have today, no one would have even known about this. Which is why; we probably adore many of our other political leaders as much as we do. The Ab Lincolns and George Washingtons weren't getting caught before because we didn't have Star Magazine sitting out side of a known politial "hook-up" hotel in the nation’s capital.

I think just because the man is not faithful to his wife, doesn’t mean that he is not a good leader, and doesn’t know his political identity. He isn’t running a bordeau- he is running NY State. I do however think that his ability to break the law and visit more then one prostitute over the course of a couple years(eligetily) should be legally addressed; In which case he should face the proper punishments if found guilty, but only then should he be forced to resign.

tommie lee :

this self-righteous, idiotic, holier than thou, hypocrite spitzer should just be hung naked in a public setting, with someone reading all of his "accomplishments" in rooting out "corruption" -- all, in front of all the "crooks" that he intimidated, prosecuted, lynched, put in jail, injured, caused indescribable suffering to themselves, their families.

csavargo :

Let's see :
The main points in the case are not of the "victimless crime" type, as some labeled it, but illegal and unethical acts, and a direct contradiction with what he promised to NY state.
1) Transportation across state lines for the purposes of prostitution
2) Structuring
3) He was originally not invited to testify before a House Financial Services subcommittee on the "State of the Bond Insurance Industry", but he insisted to committee staff member that he should testify on Feb14, apparently so that his trip to meet a hooker on the night of the 13th would have a cover.
4) He promised to "bring ethics back to NY State"

BDM :

This looks like a victimless crime, or, the poor victims had suffer a payment of $3K/hr. It represent another example of the ridiculous influence that religion and its judgemental concept of morality has on American politics. If Spitzer is to be pilloried, it should be for hypocrisy, not for some brief interludes of carnal bliss.

Shiveh :

Eliot Spitzer is done. Finished. But sex as the nemesis of politicians in American political scene did not start with him and will not end with his demise either.

Why Americans tolerate incompetence, lying, cronyism, … in politicians but consider infidelity unforgivable? Even in religious circles extra marital scandals have not automatically brought down the advocates of high morality the way it has in politics.

A person that aims for and captures a lead position in government or industry is not an average (normal) person. The special desire and the burning urge to go that high; many unpleasant trade-offs necessary to reach that point; the tremendous stress of being responsible for the lives of many; the consequences of making mistakes; the pressure of having no time or mental capacity left for a personal life … will mold any poor soul into a unique mixture of psychological extremes that are not found in an average person. The world of Real Politicks is full of lies, back stabbing, un-holly alliances and bargains. To succeed in that environment and frankly to do the work we hire them to do requires special qualities and talents that in many cases are not considered holly. Family is one of the first casualties of such life. Yet we expect a level of morality and correctness from our politicians in their personal lives that has long left them.

We should recognize that working in leadership positions puts a hefty toll on our leaders and respond to their actions accordingly. Why not make seeing a psychoanalyst mandatory for high leadership positions. Help them to stay in charge of their own psyche and help them to understand what leadership responsibilities and the power that goes with it is doing to them. Treat before you punish.

Patriot :

Yes I care and so should every american. The leadership of Americanis in total dissolution. Allof them are corrupt and tied up by either personal failings and/or bought by special interests who take no responsibility to the wonderful GOD-given visions in the project of the founding fathers.
Wake up before it is too late!The Chinese are encircling the USA slowly and preparing for their attack when America is so weakened in all aspects that a very calculated and sophisticated surprise attack will do the rest. Silently they are playing ther strangling game upon the nation. The schools are falling apart, infrastructure is lagging serious in maintenance, the country´s finances are in ruins for many years to come, our computersystem are being infiltrated by hired hackers and much much more...
So this Spitzer affair - guite petty in the larger perspective under the wings of history- is just another sign of the accelerating decay of America
and at some point this process will be impossible to stop. Like a heavy train without a driver slowly accelerating downhill. The cars of the train are each one of them filled with its load of the failings and disrepancies of America of today.
You can be sure our enemies will do there utmost to keep this process growing in its momentum.

shovan das :

every country of the world has to be governed by a moral and ethical compass. the growth and / or decline of every country is rooted in this time honored facet. we have to care for the sake of our children and our future generations, no matter how hard you try to push it under the rug.

shovan das
kenner, louisiana

Hypatia :

He's a man, isn't he? Not many of them can keep their zippers closed.

However, people are getting so carried away with the sex scandal part, they're forgetting his "prosecutable" crime has to do with how he misused his office in paying for the hooker, and worse still, how he abused a friend by using his name.

Just like, they didn't lynch Bill Clinton for his sex scandal, but for (technically) lying under oath.

By that standard, the entire Bush Administration should be toast! All they do is lie, lie, and lie.

Good luck to Spitzer's legally blind successor, dealing with the Augean stables of NY politics.

Odin :

The Wall Street Republican cheerleaders should at least give Spitzer credit for not using the State Police security and chauffeur services for his tryst, and charging it to State agencies Like Guiliani did. It seems he used his own money that he has plenty of. And he didn’t appoint her to anything like the Board of Trustees of the Twin Towers Fund as Giuliani did for his girlfriend. Guiliani got a pass on all that and was actually a “candidate” for some fools? So does it really matter if he resigns or not?

His wife should resign though!

Premolt Giller :

Bubba is a super delegate as well. Ditto the Rev Jesse. It's called the MAYflower, not the DEflower.

JRLR :

We should want to know and ought to care how corrupt the man is.

We should want to know and ought to care how corrupt the American political class is.

We should want to know WHY that is and act accordingly.

We should give Augias stables on American soil a vigorous scrub, on an ongoing basis.

It's clean when it hurts.

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