Should Taiwan hold a democratic vote on whether to declare independence from China, or do Taiwan's leaders have a greater responsibility to their people to avoid war?
As a mainland Chinese, I don't care if taiwan claim its independence or not. What I do care is wehter the treasures and antiques taken from mainland China by KMT be returned to us. That's ours :).
For everyone that supports taiwan9.com!
It just shows how pathetic chinese people are, to go and hack a site about freedom.
I wish I could say more, but my comment would probably get deleted.
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China is so pathetic it has to desperately cling to Taiwan to make itself seem better. It's just a sad country that steals it's own babies to sell to western countries.
This topic is absolutely a joke because Taiwan is already independent for about 60 years. We just need to be recognized and supported by countries in this world!!
Something in this world can not be changed,such as Taiwan does not belong to China.
I suggest everyone here go to the websites in Taiwan and feel about their opinions. And think about the American President said that Taiwan is not a part of China last year.
This topic is an absolute joke
Something in this world can not be changed,such as taiwan belong to China.
I suggest everyone here go to the website in China and feel about their opinions.
My English is not very good,hehe.I have studied it since 2005.
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>>“There is, therefore, absolutely no foundation to the assertion that the United States coordinates its Taiwan policy with Beijing. It just does not happen. Words like coordination and cooperation simply do not apply to the relationship between Washington and Beijing on Taiwan policy……But I can assure you that no USG official at any level spends any amount of time coordinating our policies toward Taiwan with Beijing.”
What we saw is US governors went to China to ask their thinking and reaction about Taiwan issue so many times. As US government announced that Taiwan is not part of RPC, Taiwan issue is Taiwanese business. Why did US government have to ask about China’s thinking? We don’t know why. This doesn’t make any sense. In our opinion, we just think US government just focuses on the problem in Middle East and needs China’s cooperate in North Korea issue so US government wants to sacrifice Taiwan. This is what we recognize.
>>“let me debunk the myth that the people of Taiwan are isolated or that Taiwan is an international orphan. …..The reality, however, is that Taiwan could not be the first world, democratic, commercial powerhouse it is if it were not extensively integrated into global society. Its citizens could not travel the world on business and pleasure, its airliners and freighters could not span the globe, and it could not be one of the world's premier sources of information technology.
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In the trade arena alone, Taipei would be an economic backwater if it were not thoroughly linked into the dense web of global institutions that support international commerce.”
Yes, and this is why we want our country to be normalized although Taiwan is actually independent. Who would not like his/her county is a country? The same as what Taiwanese is doing. We want our country to be normalized and be officially recognized by every country. We want to be live respectably just like other country’s people. We want our children not to be afraid to be attached when they are sleeping. And I think this is one of human rights and freedoms: the right to life and security of person.
>>“And as a friend of Taiwan, as an indispensable supporter of its democracy and freedoms, the United States ranks second to none. Americans can feel justifiably proud for having done the right thing, again and again.”
But why are you fighting Taiwan’s democracy now? Why American government wants to force our president not to follow people’s will? We don’t know why…
>>“By the same token, while we have a close, friendly relationship with Taipei, we also do not let Taipei define our positions. "
Taiwan doesn’t define US’s positions and Taiwan doesn’t have that power to decide what US’s position is. In contrast, it is always US government that decided Taiwan’s positions or ordered what Taiwan has to do. And what we saw is that China is becoming minatorial to this world just because the US’s and every country’s connivance. I don’t mean every country has to do something to China. But if every country expresses the clear position of attacking other country is wrong and not allowed, I believe China doesn’t dare to take any action. Taiwanese is going to protect our own country ourselves, undoubtedly, but we still need your support. Since the indulgence by the countries around the world will cause the wrong recognition from China.
On Sep.11, Thomas J. Christensen, Deputy Assistant Secretary for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, did a speech to U.S.-Taiwan Business Council. Here, I would like to say some my different opinions. And these opinions are actually expressing most Taiwanese thinking.
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>>“Taiwan's prosperity and social stability are, of course, additional sources of strength, but the military dimension is indispensable.
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U.S. arms sales have played an important role in keeping Taiwan strong.The principal issue in Taiwan's defense, however, is not whether Taipei buys a particular weapon system or whether that system comes from domestic factories or from abroad. The principal issue is the substance of Taiwan's overall defensive strategy and the maintenance of core capacities to sustain it.”
Yes, I think as everyone knows that we, Taiwanese, have to protect our own country ourselves. Do you, Americans, know that, however, U.S. government always punishes Taiwan when Taiwan didn’t follow what he said? For example, U.S. government would not like to sell arms to Taiwan just because our president, Mr. Chen, wants to hold a referendum on Taiwan's U.N. membership. And U.S. government forbad Taiwan to develop our own arms but allow China to develop ruinous arms. Taiwanese always are so friendly to everyone including Americans and we regard Americans as good friends. But why US government always hurt our mother, Taiwan? We don’t know why…
>>"But as much as we oppose Beijing's threat to use force, we also take it seriously, and Taipei cannot afford to do otherwise. It is for this reason that Taiwan's security is inextricably linked to the avoidance of needlessly provocative behavior. This does not mean that Taipei should or can be passive in the face of PRC pressure. But it means that responsible leadership in Taipei has to anticipate potential Chinese red lines and reactions and avoid unnecessary and unproductive provocations.”
As I mentioned, we even can not protect our country effectively at this point how can we threat any countries? Why does US government always force Taiwan but indulge China in military threaten to Taiwan? US government always blamed our president. But what you don’t know is that our president was blamed by us, Taiwanese, as well. Why? Because we think he is as weak as a country’s leader. We wish that he announces our country’s name is Taiwan or other name and that he ordains a new constitution just fit for Taiwan but these are not allowed by US government. US government always warned our president to follow his own promise of not pursuing a change in Taiwan's official name. Moreover, US government knows this situation about Taiwanese general will very well but they still force us not to do these things. And you don’t think it is so ridiculous that as a democratic country, US government forces a country’s leader not to follow people’s general will?
>>“The United States is not opposed to referenda; Taiwan is as entitled to hold referenda as is any other democracy. But the topic and content of any particular referendum must be considered.”
So this is the so called the spirit of referendum? We can’t determine our referendum’s topic and content? We have to follow what other country’s opinion?
>>“A referendum on applying to the UN without the suggestion of name change as part of that referendum - while striking us as odd and unproductive - would not elicit a very strong reaction from the United States.”
Yes, and this is why we blamed our president.
“Bad public policy initiatives are made no better for being wrapped in the flag of "democracy."
This means US government itself?
“It is the apparent pursuit of name change in the referendum, therefore, that makes the initiative appear to us to be a step intended to change the status quo.
The frustrating truth is that needlessly provocative actions by Taipei strengthen Beijing's hand in limiting Taiwan's space and scare away potential friends who might help Taiwan.”
I want to ask about what the status quo is? China does control Taiwan for even one second. That Taiwan doesn’t belong to China is a clear fact. By the way, let me say a contrary situation, even if Taiwan is one part of China, China has to allow Taiwanese to decide their own destiny by referendum if we don’t want to be controlled by China any more, doesn’t it? What is China’s red line? Why do we have to obey it? Should America have to obey any other country?
Yesterday, Deputy U.S. Secretary of State John Negroponte received an interview with the Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV and said that Taiwan's United Nations membership referendum is a mistake.
However, please tell your govenors who don't know the actual situation in Taiwan that there are over 75% Taiwanese who want to enter the UN with the name of Taiwan. Therefore, don't misdiagnose the situation what has been changed within Taiwan. And the real fact is Taiwanese wish is pushing our president,Chen Shui-bian, to hold a referendum on Taiwan's U.N. membership. Because this,entering the UN with the name of Taiwan,is the major public opinion in Taiwan. Americans are always proud of your democracy. And referendum is the highest and loftiest representation of democracy, isn't it? Why do you rather abandoning your insistence on democracy than supporting Taiwan's referendum?
One website was hacked is ok. It is rebuilding. And the most important thing is Taiwanese spirit can not be eleminated!! Taiwan is Taiwan, Taiwan never belongs to China. We are Taiwanese not Chinese.
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I want to say something about one Taiwanese website Taiwan9.
In Taiwan, we all believe everyone has the basic rights including freedom of speech so there are so many different thinkings about our government and our own politics. And no one thinks anyone has the rights to hake or eliminate other people's websites or thinkings even if it is the opponent. But in China, they don't have this basic right and don't know how to respect other different thinkings. The Chinese just know what I say goes and don't allow any other people's different thinkings!!
Taiwan9 is one case. We enjoy our freedom of speech and were talking about Taiwan is our dear country. The Chinese saw this web and knew we are from Taiwan9 and then hacked Taiwan9. We didn't pay much more attention to the Chinese because we believe there is nothing wrong that we are enjoying our freedom.
Now, the Chinese are dreaming every day about China will be the biggest and stronggest country in the world and the Chinese will be the master in the world. We want to tell you everyone in the world. One website was hacked is ok. It is rebuilding. And the most important thing is Taiwanese spirit can not be eleminated!! Taiwan is Taiwan, Taiwan never belongs to China. We are Taiwanese not Chinses.
to Blue Sky,
>>"I know you want to draw America into your fight for secession."
why? I don't understand... What you wrote is just about Taiwan and Japan, two countries. I have no any ideas why it is related to the USA.
why? why? why?
And I think your people can't write English so I translated for him/she. You should appreciate to me. Don't you think so?
Oh, I know why you are angry. It should be translated to:
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Anyway, it is otiose that you say anything more. HaHa!!
China mainland and Taiwan will unify sooner or later. If you and "small" Japan want to get some nuclear bombs, neutron bombs. Then don't blame your brother, China. "HeHe"
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If you anyone, Chinese, thinks there is anything worong for what I translated, please correct it. I just translated what you wrote. I didn't make up any thing!! And I just wanted everyone around the world to know about your thinking. I am so kind, right?
Please don't make up some inflammatory words in Chinese and then translate it in English to badmouth China. I know you want to draw America into your fight for secession. But that's your fight, please stop dragging America along, stop sowing hatred between the Chinese people and the American people. This is despicable.
people who here talk about TaiWan's dependence are all insane or simply stupid. TaiWan is the integral part of China ,it's a commonsense. from u guys, i can learn that there are so many stupid persons in this world. hope that they are not all American cos i like American hot chicks. hehe!
I translate the second paragraph of the article written by 中國人(Chinese) for you who don't know Chinese used in Taiwan.
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>>"不管怎麼說啦， 講得再多都是沒有用的啦。哈哈!!
早晚大陸跟台灣要統一的啊。 如果你們想跟小日本一起挨幾顆原子彈，中子彈的話。 那就別怪大陸的兄弟了。 嘿嘿!!!"
Anyway, it is otiose that you say anything more. HaHa!!
China mainland and Taiwan will unify sooner or later. If you and Japan want to get some nuclear bombs, neutron bombs. Then don't blame your brother, China.
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If there are anything wrong about what I translated, you, Chinese, please tell me.
Therefore, this is the real face of the Chinese. They are always militarist.
to Carl Sutton :
>>"Taiwan has held out for many years, but without any progress."
Everyone knows you are lying. Taiwan's progress, especially democracy, is proud!!
>>"Do you realize that China has the most powerful military force in the world today."
So this is why everyone said China is a militarist!!
>>"Taiwan in event of an invasion could not hope to get any support from any others."
We will protect our own country. You do NOT worry about it.
>>"The U.S. military cant even win a war in a country like Iraq that has no army."
HaHa. This is your crack. Always think that Chinese is the most intelligent and the greatest people in the world, China will be the master of this world in the soon future. Don't fool yourself any more!!
>>"Diplomacy is always better than defeat in war."
Your success is not based on diplomacy but is on Business and Market!! So you are not so great!!
to David Martin :
ChiChi,
>>"Taiwan's a wonderful country""
Yes. But it is not just country of a country. Taiwan is a real country and nation!! Don't play the wordy game!! And this is the other Chinese crack!!
>>"and it deserves recognition for its good government, prosperity"
We are having.
>>"and the important role it's played in China's economic development."
Yes. I know. Taiwanese businessmen is supporting China's economic development. Therefore, don't you think you have to appreciate to Taiwan and then remove the 1000 missiles targeting to Taiwan!!
>>"Unfortunately, Taiwan has the great misfortune to be claimed by a vastly larger country, with that claim diplomatically recognized by most of the rest of the world."
They just recognize that the one-China-policy!! In fact, Taiwan is not one of China so this fact doesn't conflict with this policy. Don't fool yourselves and other people any more!!
>>"My guess is that Taiwan is very vulnerable to economic and other less-than-military coercion. A quick Google search turned up this recent document, Chinese Economic Coercion Against Taiwan, A Tricky Weapon to Use"
So what?!! Economic development is not just occuring in China, it is in India as well!! And what China's economic is developing is in low level market but our, Taiwan's, advantage is in high level technology. Moreover, your products are getting problems and I believe that this will be getting serious because China is a communist country and Everything is not so open. Therefore, you, the Chinese, do have to worry about your safety.
ChiChi,
I've visited Taipei and very much want to see the mountains and the east and south coasts. Taiwan's a wonderful country, and it deserves recognition for its good government, prosperity, and the important role it's played in China's economic development.
Unfortunately, Taiwan has the great misfortune to be claimed by a vastly larger country, with that claim diplomatically recognized by most of the rest of the world. My guess is that Taiwan is very vulnerable to economic and other less-than-military coercion. A quick Google search turned up this recent document, Chinese Economic Coercion Against Taiwan, A Tricky Weapon to Use, by Murray Scot Tanner:
Taiwan has held out for many years, but without any progress. What do they hope to gain.Do you realize that China has the most powerful military force in the world today.Taiwan in event of an invasion could not hope to get any support from any others.The U.S. military cant even win a war in a country like Iraq that has no army.Diplomacy is always better than defeat in war.Don't be reckless with your future.
>>"I suppose that the Chinese government could, one day, announce that the provincial government on Taiwan has fallen into disorder (as in fighting among legislators) and that to protect the people of the province and ensure orderly government, Taiwan's ports and airports are closed to foreign traffic until further notice.
It would all be an internal matter."
HaHa. Dreaming is the fast way to your dream. Taiwan is a real country, we have our own president, law and army and we pay the tax to our own country, but not China. So the matter between Taiwan and China is international.
Besides, Taiwan is a democratic country so the fighting among legislators will not become disorder and this is not the normal situation you can understand for the Chinese controlled by a Communist country. Because everyone can speak out his/her thinking. Legislators they just want to attract people's attention, so this is not a big matter.
Therefore, keep dreaming. Have fun.
I suppose that the Chinese government could, one day, announce that the provincial government on Taiwan has fallen into disorder (as in fighting among legislators) and that to protect the people of the province and ensure orderly government, Taiwan's ports and airports are closed to foreign traffic until further notice.
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All people in the world only admit one China and one Taiwan in the world world, regardless of the Chinese' view, in fact, the Chinese have no right to decide this. only the Taiwanese ourseves can decide this.
meanwhile, all chinese people including all humen around the world don't believe that China will become the best freedom, civilization and power contry. Ane everyone is worried that the products from China will kill life including humen,animals and vegetables and that China will harm their own country.
now, the Chinese were treated as the facility by their politician buffoon, as the dog by Chinese Communist Party. here, i appeal all people around the world to help them, let us support them, let us beat their politician buffoon, and let them get their dignity, democracy, and let them become men, not dog..
A Taiwanese from a real country, Taiwan
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By the way, could you, the Chinese, don't use the Chinese characters, especially the simplified Chinese, we don't understand what you are talking about. And if you don't write something other people can understand, no one will care about what you are thinking!!
Why the UN should admit Taiwan
Li Thian-hok
Brief history of Taiwan
In writing about Taiwan Western reporters often state that Taiwan split off from China in 1949 as a result of the Chinese Civil War. This is a misleading statement giving the impression that Taiwan has always been a part of China until 1949. In fact, in Taiwan's 400-year recorded history, the island was separated from China for long periods of time. Taiwan's history may be characterized as an incessant struggle for freedom against alien rulers.
From 1624 to 1662, Taiwan was a Dutch colony. The Ming dynasty loyalist Koxinga and his son ruled Taiwan from 1662 to 1683. The Manchu tribes which conquered China and established the Qing Dynasty then controlled Taiwan until 1895. After its defeat in a war with Japan the Qing Dynasty ceded Taiwan and the Pescadores to Japan in perpetuity in 1895 in the Treaty of Shimonseki. Unwilling to submit to Japanese rule, the Taiwanese established a short-lived Taiwan Democratic Republic that year.
At the end of World War II, Chiang Kai-shek's Kuomintang (KMT) troops took over Taiwan's administration on behalf of the allied powers. On February 28, 1947, the islanders rose in protest against the corruption and systemic looting of the Chinese administration. Governor Chen Yi sent for reinforcements from China, which then massacred some 28,000 protesters and community leaders. In the ensuing 38-years of martial law under KMT dictatorship thousands more dissidents were imprisoned or executed.
In October 1971 Chiang Kai-shek's representatives were expelled from the UN. In 1979, the United States recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC). Because of these diplomatic setbacks and internal pressure from the native Taiwanese (who comprise 85% of the population) to democratize, the KMT regime acquiesced in the formation of the opposition Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) in September 1986. Martial law was lifted the following year.
Lee Teng-hui, a native Taiwanese who became president in 1988 implemented democratic reforms. In 1996 he was re-elected in the first direct election of a president. In 2000 peaceful transfer of power to the opposition DPP was achieved when Chen Shui-bian was elected president.
This brief summary shows that it is factually incorrect to say that Taiwan has always been an integral part of China.
Taiwan's legal status
Also incorrect is the assertion that Taiwan is a province of the PRC. The PRC has never ruled Taiwan, not even a single day. Taiwan is not a part of China. Taiwan has not been Chinese territory since 1895, when China ceded Taiwan to Japan in perpetuity. The occupation of Taiwan in 1945 by the forces of Chiang Kai-shek was a temporary measure on behalf of the allied forces. It did not alter the legal status of the island.
In 1951 the allied powers formally ended World War II with Japan in the San Francisco Peace Treaty, in which Japan gave up its sovereignty over Taiwan. But the Treaty did not specify a recipient. Delegates of Great Britain, Egypt and France stated at that time that Taiwan's legal status was to be determined at a future date in accordance with the principle of self-determination and the expressed wish of the inhabitants.
On October 25, 1971 the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 2758, to recognize the Government of the PRC as the only lawful representative of China to the United Nations and to expel the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek from the UN and related organizations. Resolution 2758, however, did not address the issue of Taiwan's sovereignty and did not confer on the PRC the right to represent Taiwan.
The US and many allied nations adopt the "One China policy" which is not well defined. When pressed US government officials often merely recite the Taiwan Relations Act and the three US-PRC joint communiques of 1972, 1979 and 1982 as elements of that policy. The key document is the 1972 Shanghai Communique which states: "The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain that there is but one China and that Taiwan is part of China." So the US took note of the claim that Taiwan was part of China by the PRC and the KMT government in Taiwan. The US did not accept or take a position on the Chinese claim. This refusal to recognize the PRC and KMT claims on Taiwan was reaffirmed by President Reagan when he assured Taipei in 1982 that the US position on Taiwan's sovereignty would not change.
So how should the legal status of Taiwan be determined? The principle of self-determination is enshrined in the UN Charter and in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Through much sacrifice and struggle the people of Taiwan have overturned the Leninist KMT regime and established a thriving democracy in Taiwan. They have exercised their right of self-determination through the ballot box. They are the sole legitimate owners of Taiwan.
The fragile status quo
Today Taiwan is a de facto independent nation and a vibrant democracy. Taiwan is the world's 17th largest economy and the world's 16th largest trading country. Taiwan holds the third largest foreign exchange reserves. Taiwan participates in various foreign assistance and humanitarian and relief programs. Taiwan is a member of the World Trade Organization, the Asian Development Bank and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation.
Taiwan meets the attributes of a state, with a population of 23 million, a defined territory and a government capable of conducting international relations.
The only reason Taiwan is not recognized by the major powers as a state is Beijing's claim that the island is a part of China, even though the claim is not supported by either history or international law. China has targeted 800 ballistic missiles against Taiwan. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) is rapidly modernizing, with the focused aim of overwhelming Taiwan's resistance before help can arrive.
Beijing has also adopted a united front strategy, working with Taiwan's opposition parties, pro-China media and businessmen with investments in China to subvert Taiwan's democratic institutions and the ruling DPP government from within. The recent mass demonstration in Taipei attests to the effectiveness of this strategy. Ostensibly the demonstration aims to depose President Chen Shui-bian. The real purpose, however, is to scuttle Taiwan's democracy and the rule of law, to create internal division and chaos so as to facilitate PRC annexation of free Taiwan.
Furthermore, China's expansionist ambitions extend beyond Taiwan. China has claimed virtually the entire South China Sea and its territorial waters. Its Second Artillery is building a nuclear strike capability which can reach the US homeland, including submarines with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. The PLA is developing weapons which could destroy military satellites of other nations in space. Chinese submarines have repeatedly intruded into Japanese territory in recent years. With its growing budget and acquisition of state of the art weapons, the PLA poses an ever greater threat, notably to Taiwan but also to the whole East Asia region and ultimately to South Asia and the United States as well. By resisting Chinese pressure to capitulate, Taiwan is preserving the increasingly precarious balance of power in the Taiwan Strait and peace and stability of East Asia.
If Taiwan should fall into PRC hands the PLA will be able to project its power well into the Western Pacific. China will then control the sea lanes and airspace vital to the survival of Japan and South Korea. A serious conflict could develop between Japan and China. Japan could decide to go nuclear, to cope with the twin threats from North Korea and the PRC. Preserving the status quo is thus critical to peace and stability of Asia.
Taiwan's membership will strengthen the UN
On September 8 US Congressman Tom Tancredo (R, CO) wrote a letter to UN Ambassador John Bolton in support of Taiwan's membership in the UN. Tancredo was joined by Congressmen Dana Rohrbacher (R, CA), Robert Andrews (D, NJ) and Steve Chabot (R, OH). Tancredo, a member of the House International Relations Committee, wrote: "Taiwan is a stable, democratic presence in Asia, a bulwark of support for human rights and a world economic power, home to a thriving multi-party democracy with free and fair elections held at all levels of government. It is, by all measures, a sovereign country €“ and it should be treated as such." Rohrbacher added, "Taiwan is a free country ruled by freely elected people.... Taiwan should be a member of the United Nations...."
Taiwan is the only country which is denied UN membership. Only by admitting Taiwan to full membership in the UN can the principle of universality be satisfied. The preamble to the UN Charter states:
"We the peoples of the United Nations [are] determined to reaffirm the faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small."
Article 1 of the Charter states that the purposes of the UN are "(1) to maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to peace.... (2) to develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples....
Taiwan's admission to the United Nations would enable the UN to put in practice the lofty ideals and purposes stipulated in the UN Charter. Exclusion of Taiwan due to political expediency weakens the UN and makes a mockery of the UN's missions and efficacy.
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All people in land only face one china at world, regardless of other oversea chinese's view, in fact, they have no right to decide this. only Great chinese in land, Hongkong, macuo, taiwan can decide this.
meanwhile, all chinese peoples trust our contry must become the best freedom,civilization,power contry.
now, taiwan peoples were treated as the facility by their politician buffoon, as the dog by U.S and Japan. here, i appeal all chinese help them, let us supporting them, let me beat their politician buffoon, and let them get their dignity, let them become man, not dog..
I am Chinese. I support Taiwanese fight for
freedom and democracy. I hope China can get along with Taiwan Nation well and learn more from Taiwanese, such as democratic reformation and election.
What Impmonte posted is very clear and pointed the problems inside China.
Besides, the news of the steamed buns with meat made by 40% meat and 60% paper-box and then eaten by Chinese themselves in China these few days is "clarified" that that is a deceit made by TV station to win the rating. However, the "balck-heart foods" is normal in China. We don't know if China government wants to quiet down the ensuing comments so wants the journo to take the responsibility just like the Chinese food drugs
supervise administrative bureau Bureau Chief Zheng Hsiaoyu. We don't know and what other countries can do is to tell their people "be careful when anyone goes to China!!" We just know that to fall victim to this kind things is the Chinese!!
Moreover, besides the foods problem, your poverty gap problem will be getting serious. Altough we are not Chinese, we still worry about you, because this is a global society and any country can't be totally safe when one country has problems. Therefore, that tell your leader to concentrate on your own problems is your topic!! Don't waste more money in military and then harras other countries.
[ Great era on July 18 news ] Does not leave the people to expect, after the Chinese food drugs
supervise administrative bureau Bureau Chief Zheng Hsiaoyu to sentence the death penalty, the
appeal is invalid, his head will be fall to the ground. No matter how Zheng "does coordinate
to handle a case", how "acknowledges guilt the manner to be good", he all must go dies. Zheng's
procedure for appeal also is carrying on, the highest official mouthpiece "People's Daily",
already carried the editorial, judged the political death penalty to it; At the same time, does
Premier Wen Jiabao in the State Council routine conference, how handle Zheng Hsiaoyu, personally
to supervises the subordinate to instruct. Does not hesitate directly to expose: In now China,
the non- jurisdiction independence absolutely, the rule by people is bigger than the government
by law.
Zheng must go dies, because, this chapter, the false medicine poisonous food, the disaster not
merely is a Chinese, but also annoyed in the ocean number of people. "The ocean adults" can it
be that your this class late Chin dynasty corrupt officials are reincarnated the Chinese
Communist Party corrupt officials stir up? After discovery more and more many China counterfeit
goods poison, US, Canada, Japan, as well as country and so on Central America, Europe, launches
the split-second action, resists the Chinese product. They put "Made in China" drugs, food, pet
food, toothpaste and so on, in abundance bottom carriage, returned goods. A healthy food
company located at American Utah, even simply on the product which they sells, all pastes
on "does not have the China produced raw material" the label, lets the consumer be relieved.
On the century later period, Deng Xiaoping once many times shouted wants "to hold the
opportunity", he referred to "the opportunity", was starts from on century 80's, the world
industrialized country, including Asia "the four dragons", for reduced the cost, shifted in
abundance the manufacturing industry to third world country. China has held that "the
opportunity", rapid "rises" to be "the industrial works of the world".
Also did not say, China in becomes "the industrial works of the world" in the process, in
the resources exhaust and the environmental pollution aspect, has paid the what kind soaring
price; Only said,unexpectedly,caused the Chinese profiteer corrupt officials are eager for
quick success and immediate gain, do plot together concoct the spurious counterfeit product?
Cheating the world to feel frustrated the people. Here are only simply lifts several examples:
The Chinese Communist Party official media acknowledged that, A nearly half Chinese consumer
purchases goes against the level furniture is counterfeit goods; The Beijing loaded in barrels
water, one half is the false water; World famous Beijing "the Xiu water market", is in evidence
"a counterfeit goods street"; In Guangdong market name brand liquor, 90% adulteration; . But
pretends the spurious product, is develops from the deceit to the harm, develops from the harm
to the fatal. For instance, from the false wristwatch, the false viagra,
develops the false blood plasma, the false auto parts and so on.
In on international, the American customs announced, ferrets out in the counterfeit goods,
60% above come from China; Asian various countries statistics: "Black heart food" mostly comes
from China; In Russia, the Russian calls out in alarm: Chinese commodity, 100% counterfeit
goods!
Before long, "China makes" (Made in China), by the people thought is "the low-price quality
merchandise", is all the rage the world, in Europe and America, nearly each family, all floods
"China makes" the thing. At the present, "China makes", actually like the target of universal
detestation, everybody shouted hits. "China makes" becomes "shame of the Chinese".
Including Chinese consumer itself, all did not believe "China makes", but recognized Japanese
electric appliance best, South Korean biscuit best, the Taiwan fruit is best... ... Japan,
South Korea, Taiwan and so on, are conquers the world by the high quality product; China,
actually is by pretends the spurious product impact world.
Luckily also has the international society, luckily also has the world consensus, luckily also
has the civilized world, otherwise, the Chinese Communist Party authority, eternal truth Mao Zedong
bragged, is "the buddhist priest opens an umbrella, lawless".
The matter develops this step, the Chinese Communist Party authority only reluctantly acknowledges
the fact, actually certainly does not admit mistakes, refuses the apology, but also quibbles in every
way. To afterwards, when accuses more and more many, but also transfers to "the counter-attack",
declared also must clutch "the imported goods" problem. Even says "Chinese food high compared to the
American food qualified rate also" that is a huge joke! In other words, Chinese government response,
always the same old story: By the rumour to the fact, by unreasonably to holds true, by barbarically
to civilization. The China royal secretary or "indignant youngman", put the foreign condemnation,
talks into is "the response excessively", even talks into that is America and Japan "the nationalism
unseemly behavior", even talks into is "the anti-Chinese tide".
From the government to the folk, has not completely engaged in introspection consciousness, indicates
the Chinese society's whole to degenerate with is rotten to the core. The South Korean newspaper pointed
out that, The Chinese counterfeit goods overflow, is because, China does not have the religion,
"China is only the country which treats the money as the religion esteems".
Counterfeit goods behind, is corrupt; Corrupt behind, is a system, A party despotic system which not
supervises. Should say that, the counterfeit goods poison biggest manufacturer, is high level resists
the Chinese Communist Party which refuse the politics changes. Zheng Hsiaoyu no doubt should kill,
just so-called: "Does not kill is insufficient to the even popular indignation". However, tolerates
the system which Zheng Hsiaoyu corrupt spoiled becomes second nature to be supposed to kill? High level
resists the Chinese Communist Party which refuse the politics changes to be supposed to kill? Answer
self-evident: Treats an illness when effects a permanent cure, captures the ringleader first.
to Anonymous,
>>"That means if Taiwan is to become a truly independent country, it needs the consent of mainlanders. If China is to regain control of Taiwan, it must have the consent of Taiwan."
Taiwan is independent for 50 years, this is the truth. Don't try to fool yourself any more.
>>"As far as history is concerned, I will never agree with you based on the arguments you gave.
My view is that even though Taiwan's status is clearly a Chinese territory based on legal a standpoint, "
Then please explain what I am waiting for. According to San Francisco Treaty, Taiwan doesn't belong to China at all!!
>>"China is way too powerful even for the US to stop if she wants to take Taiwan now."
HaHa. Then try it!! Why don't you take Taiwan now?
Everyone knows you are afraid of the US and you have so many problems inside China. Care more about your own country, China.
>>"The best way to keep peace is to try to understand where each other is coming from."
I said that America should be returned to the UK. And Taiwan maybe should be returned to Holland because one of my ancestors was from Holland and Holland is not having/ had 1000 missiles targeting at Taiwan. But now anyone asks me and my answer is, I am Taiwanese or I am from Taiwan. Got it?
In fact, I repect you and I think you are a meritorious opponent because you always took Declarations or Treaties(even if they are useless or unlawful) as your evidences. You are not like someone who just wrote ridiculous wording without any evidences. But I still want to convince you the following of my thinking.
Please tell/affect China government that give up any military actions and coeternity peacfully with Taiwan. Thus China can concentrate on the issues of inside China and then every country will believe that China is not harmful and you may have the opportunities to become stronger.
Taiwanese will protect our own country and our people just like everyone in the world. And I don't think you can take Taiwan so easily.
I said before,
who said history we must follow,
we can create history now and that must be futures' history.
who say we cannot pass and stop where we are.
If that, the world never have new country.
If that, ROC can't revolution to the Man-qing government,
and PRC can't revolution to the ROC government.
If that, now have not the US country.
I said before,
who said history we must follow,
we can create history now and that must be futures' history.
who say we cannot pass and stop where we are.
If that, the world never have new country.
If that, ROC can't revolution to the Man-qing government,
and PRC can't revolution to the ROC government.
If that, now have not the US country.
to chichi:
acturally,i do not think you have strong logic.
i found you were so redicurous that you claimed you were win in the arguments with BLUESKY.
i understand you sbout your feeling,you felt so losing when you found you could not find any strong evidents to support you point.then you just want to cheat youself to make youself feel better.
whatever,do you or me have good logic is not important to the fact that taiwan is a part of chia.and you know very clear about the politic tending.even you win in a argument is do not mean anything,not mentain you did not.
i believe everyone love peace including you and ne.in resent situation,the so-called taiwan leader should pay more attention to keeping peace between mainland and ialand.
The Chinese people, the blood is thicker than water, 500 years ago are one family?
It's a lie!
炎帝, 黃帝 is only a myth, does not have the historical evidence basis,
completely is the later ages to strain their interpretation and fictionalizes,
is serves the king ruler's tool, fills the antiforeign, the conceited Han chauvinism.
Even arrives "五族共和" also is by the Han Nationality which modern Sun Wen advocated
assimilates other national the guy Chauvin thought, attempts to come "the formation"
so-called by the political strength "the Chinese nation". These not only with the modern
democratic ideas, the international tidal current are incompatible with, easily becomes
the nationalism to in the hotbed, foreign becomes the pretext which the aggression expands.
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As a mainland Chinese, I don't care if taiwan claim its independence or not. What I do care is wehter the treasures and antiques taken from mainland China by KMT be returned to us. That's ours :).
April 18, 2008 5:08 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Keith :
"This is Chinese business."
It's not Communist China's business.
It's Taiwan's business.
So Communist China needs to butt out.
There are two sparate Chinas with two separate governments. Deal.
awesome haha. communist china has no heart.
March 25, 2008 3:18 PM | Report Offensive Comments
For everyone that supports taiwan9.com!
It just shows how pathetic chinese people are, to go and hack a site about freedom.
I wish I could say more, but my comment would probably get deleted.
p.s. anyone that wants anti china or free tibet or free taiwan dresses or clothing, go to neighborhoodies! design it. Nothing sexier than an anti chinese dress. for real.
March 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
China is so pathetic it has to desperately cling to Taiwan to make itself seem better. It's just a sad country that steals it's own babies to sell to western countries.
March 25, 2008 2:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
This topic is absolutely a joke because Taiwan is already independent for about 60 years. We just need to be recognized and supported by countries in this world!!
Something in this world can not be changed,such as Taiwan does not belong to China.
I suggest everyone here go to the websites in Taiwan and feel about their opinions. And think about the American President said that Taiwan is not a part of China last year.
January 19, 2008 3:45 PM | Report Offensive Comments
This topic is an absolute joke
Something in this world can not be changed,such as taiwan belong to China.
I suggest everyone here go to the website in China and feel about their opinions.
My English is not very good,hehe.I have studied it since 2005.
December 31, 2007 3:11 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Sorry,I forgot to attach the link of the speach of
Mr. Thomas J. Christensen.
It is http://hongkong.usconsulate.gov/uscn_state_2007091101.html
September 13, 2007 3:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
(PART II)
>>“There is, therefore, absolutely no foundation to the assertion that the United States coordinates its Taiwan policy with Beijing. It just does not happen. Words like coordination and cooperation simply do not apply to the relationship between Washington and Beijing on Taiwan policy……But I can assure you that no USG official at any level spends any amount of time coordinating our policies toward Taiwan with Beijing.”
What we saw is US governors went to China to ask their thinking and reaction about Taiwan issue so many times. As US government announced that Taiwan is not part of RPC, Taiwan issue is Taiwanese business. Why did US government have to ask about China’s thinking? We don’t know why. This doesn’t make any sense. In our opinion, we just think US government just focuses on the problem in Middle East and needs China’s cooperate in North Korea issue so US government wants to sacrifice Taiwan. This is what we recognize.
>>“let me debunk the myth that the people of Taiwan are isolated or that Taiwan is an international orphan. …..The reality, however, is that Taiwan could not be the first world, democratic, commercial powerhouse it is if it were not extensively integrated into global society. Its citizens could not travel the world on business and pleasure, its airliners and freighters could not span the globe, and it could not be one of the world's premier sources of information technology.
.....
In the trade arena alone, Taipei would be an economic backwater if it were not thoroughly linked into the dense web of global institutions that support international commerce.”
Yes, and this is why we want our country to be normalized although Taiwan is actually independent. Who would not like his/her county is a country? The same as what Taiwanese is doing. We want our country to be normalized and be officially recognized by every country. We want to be live respectably just like other country’s people. We want our children not to be afraid to be attached when they are sleeping. And I think this is one of human rights and freedoms: the right to life and security of person.
>>“And as a friend of Taiwan, as an indispensable supporter of its democracy and freedoms, the United States ranks second to none. Americans can feel justifiably proud for having done the right thing, again and again.”
But why are you fighting Taiwan’s democracy now? Why American government wants to force our president not to follow people’s will? We don’t know why…
>>“By the same token, while we have a close, friendly relationship with Taipei, we also do not let Taipei define our positions. "
Taiwan doesn’t define US’s positions and Taiwan doesn’t have that power to decide what US’s position is. In contrast, it is always US government that decided Taiwan’s positions or ordered what Taiwan has to do. And what we saw is that China is becoming minatorial to this world just because the US’s and every country’s connivance. I don’t mean every country has to do something to China. But if every country expresses the clear position of attacking other country is wrong and not allowed, I believe China doesn’t dare to take any action. Taiwanese is going to protect our own country ourselves, undoubtedly, but we still need your support. Since the indulgence by the countries around the world will cause the wrong recognition from China.
September 13, 2007 2:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
On Sep.11, Thomas J. Christensen, Deputy Assistant Secretary for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, did a speech to U.S.-Taiwan Business Council. Here, I would like to say some my different opinions. And these opinions are actually expressing most Taiwanese thinking.
(PART I)
>>“Taiwan's prosperity and social stability are, of course, additional sources of strength, but the military dimension is indispensable.
.......
U.S. arms sales have played an important role in keeping Taiwan strong.The principal issue in Taiwan's defense, however, is not whether Taipei buys a particular weapon system or whether that system comes from domestic factories or from abroad. The principal issue is the substance of Taiwan's overall defensive strategy and the maintenance of core capacities to sustain it.”
Yes, I think as everyone knows that we, Taiwanese, have to protect our own country ourselves. Do you, Americans, know that, however, U.S. government always punishes Taiwan when Taiwan didn’t follow what he said? For example, U.S. government would not like to sell arms to Taiwan just because our president, Mr. Chen, wants to hold a referendum on Taiwan's U.N. membership. And U.S. government forbad Taiwan to develop our own arms but allow China to develop ruinous arms. Taiwanese always are so friendly to everyone including Americans and we regard Americans as good friends. But why US government always hurt our mother, Taiwan? We don’t know why…
>>"But as much as we oppose Beijing's threat to use force, we also take it seriously, and Taipei cannot afford to do otherwise. It is for this reason that Taiwan's security is inextricably linked to the avoidance of needlessly provocative behavior. This does not mean that Taipei should or can be passive in the face of PRC pressure. But it means that responsible leadership in Taipei has to anticipate potential Chinese red lines and reactions and avoid unnecessary and unproductive provocations.”
As I mentioned, we even can not protect our country effectively at this point how can we threat any countries? Why does US government always force Taiwan but indulge China in military threaten to Taiwan? US government always blamed our president. But what you don’t know is that our president was blamed by us, Taiwanese, as well. Why? Because we think he is as weak as a country’s leader. We wish that he announces our country’s name is Taiwan or other name and that he ordains a new constitution just fit for Taiwan but these are not allowed by US government. US government always warned our president to follow his own promise of not pursuing a change in Taiwan's official name. Moreover, US government knows this situation about Taiwanese general will very well but they still force us not to do these things. And you don’t think it is so ridiculous that as a democratic country, US government forces a country’s leader not to follow people’s general will?
>>“The United States is not opposed to referenda; Taiwan is as entitled to hold referenda as is any other democracy. But the topic and content of any particular referendum must be considered.”
So this is the so called the spirit of referendum? We can’t determine our referendum’s topic and content? We have to follow what other country’s opinion?
>>“A referendum on applying to the UN without the suggestion of name change as part of that referendum - while striking us as odd and unproductive - would not elicit a very strong reaction from the United States.”
Yes, and this is why we blamed our president.
“Bad public policy initiatives are made no better for being wrapped in the flag of "democracy."
This means US government itself?
“It is the apparent pursuit of name change in the referendum, therefore, that makes the initiative appear to us to be a step intended to change the status quo.
The frustrating truth is that needlessly provocative actions by Taipei strengthen Beijing's hand in limiting Taiwan's space and scare away potential friends who might help Taiwan.”
I want to ask about what the status quo is? China does control Taiwan for even one second. That Taiwan doesn’t belong to China is a clear fact. By the way, let me say a contrary situation, even if Taiwan is one part of China, China has to allow Taiwanese to decide their own destiny by referendum if we don’t want to be controlled by China any more, doesn’t it? What is China’s red line? Why do we have to obey it? Should America have to obey any other country?
September 13, 2007 2:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Yesterday, Deputy U.S. Secretary of State John Negroponte received an interview with the Hong Kong-based Phoenix TV and said that Taiwan's United Nations membership referendum is a mistake.
However, please tell your govenors who don't know the actual situation in Taiwan that there are over 75% Taiwanese who want to enter the UN with the name of Taiwan. Therefore, don't misdiagnose the situation what has been changed within Taiwan. And the real fact is Taiwanese wish is pushing our president,Chen Shui-bian, to hold a referendum on Taiwan's U.N. membership. Because this,entering the UN with the name of Taiwan,is the major public opinion in Taiwan. Americans are always proud of your democracy. And referendum is the highest and loftiest representation of democracy, isn't it? Why do you rather abandoning your insistence on democracy than supporting Taiwan's referendum?
August 29, 2007 5:38 PM | Report Offensive Comments
One website was hacked is ok. It is rebuilding. And the most important thing is Taiwanese spirit can not be eleminated!! Taiwan is Taiwan, Taiwan never belongs to China. We are Taiwanese not Chinese.
________________________________________
I strongly support ChiChi viewpoint!! I live in
China -mainland under the rule of Communist
Party.But I will never believe what the evil
government say!
August 15, 2007 12:59 AM | Report Offensive Comments
I want to say something about one Taiwanese website Taiwan9.
In Taiwan, we all believe everyone has the basic rights including freedom of speech so there are so many different thinkings about our government and our own politics. And no one thinks anyone has the rights to hake or eliminate other people's websites or thinkings even if it is the opponent. But in China, they don't have this basic right and don't know how to respect other different thinkings. The Chinese just know what I say goes and don't allow any other people's different thinkings!!
Taiwan9 is one case. We enjoy our freedom of speech and were talking about Taiwan is our dear country. The Chinese saw this web and knew we are from Taiwan9 and then hacked Taiwan9. We didn't pay much more attention to the Chinese because we believe there is nothing wrong that we are enjoying our freedom.
Now, the Chinese are dreaming every day about China will be the biggest and stronggest country in the world and the Chinese will be the master in the world. We want to tell you everyone in the world. One website was hacked is ok. It is rebuilding. And the most important thing is Taiwanese spirit can not be eleminated!! Taiwan is Taiwan, Taiwan never belongs to China. We are Taiwanese not Chinses.
August 14, 2007 1:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
台湾は既に独立国家ですよね。
August 12, 2007 5:05 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Fight for freedom and democracy! Taiwanese and
Chinese democrists, Let us colaborate to rebuild
Greenland--Taiwan9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let us help Mrs Lin to do sth.
August 11, 2007 11:23 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Fight for freedom and democracy! Taiwanese and
Chinese democrists, Let us colaborate to rebuild
Greenland--Taiwan9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let us help Mrs Lin to do sth.
August 11, 2007 11:21 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Fight for freedom and democracy! Taiwanese and
Chinese democrists, Let us colaborate to rebuild
Greenland--Taiwan9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 11, 2007 11:16 PM | Report Offensive Comments
我國共產豬的惡形惡狀想必諸位都見識到了，在網站放了一面令
人作嘔的“武腥旗”（五星旗雖名義上為我國國旗，實則是中共
獨裁專制嘴臉的寫照），叫囂“寧可大陸不長草，也要收復臺灣
島”，還聲稱要血洗日本和印尼，殺光“日本豬”和“印尼豬”
（儘管我本人也認為日本和印尼的反華分子確實欠扁），從而為
國外宣揚的“中國威脅論”作了最佳注解。這批無恥共匪，他們
玷污了大中華的聖明，損害了我國的國際形象，可謂人神共憤，
臺灣朋友，我們要攜手掃除這堆垃圾！！
我国共产猪的恶形恶状想必诸位都见识到了，在网站放了一面令人作呕的“武腥旗”（五星旗虽名义上为我国国旗，实则是中共独裁专制嘴脸的写照），叫嚣“宁可大陆不长草，也要收复台湾岛”，还声称要血洗日本和印尼，杀光“日本猪”和“印尼猪”（尽管我本人也认为日本和印尼的反华分子确实欠扁），从而为国外宣扬的“中国威胁论”作了最佳注解。这批无耻共匪，他们玷污了大中华的圣明，损害了我国的国际形象，可谓人神共愤，台湾朋友，我们要携手扫除这堆垃圾！！
August 11, 2007 11:08 PM | Report Offensive Comments
我國共產豬的惡形惡狀想必諸位都見識到了，在網站放了一面令
人作嘔的“武腥旗”（五星旗雖名義上為我國國旗，實則是中共
獨裁專制嘴臉的寫照），叫囂“寧可大陸不長草，也要收復臺灣
島”，還聲稱要血洗日本和印尼，殺光“日本豬”和“印尼豬”
（儘管我本人也認為日本和印尼的反華分子確實欠扁），從而為
國外宣揚的“中國威脅論”作了最佳注解。這批無恥共匪，他們
玷污了大中華的聖明，損害了我國的國際形象，可謂人神共憤，
臺灣朋友，我們要攜手掃除這堆垃圾！！
————————————————————————
我国共产猪的恶形恶状想必诸位都见识到了，在网站放了一面令人作呕的“武腥旗”（五星旗虽名义上为我国国旗，实则是中共独裁专制嘴脸的写照），叫嚣“宁可大陆不长草，也要收复台湾岛”，还声称要血洗日本和印尼，杀光“日本猪”和“印尼猪”（尽管我本也认为日本和印尼的反华分子确实欠扁），从而为国外宣扬的“中国威胁论”作了最佳注解。这批无耻共匪，他们玷污了大中华的圣明，损害了我国的国际形象，可谓人神共愤，台湾朋友，我们要携手扫除这堆垃圾！！
August 11, 2007 11:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Taiwan9 has been hacked by our Chinese hacker 0n
August 9th. The BBS Administrator Ching Lin is
now searching for help. Could Taiwanese friends
tell me the Email of Ching Lin. Thank you for
your support!! I am a democrist in China
mainland and I will support Taiwan Nation for
ever!
August 11, 2007 10:26 PM | Report Offensive Comments
to Blue Sky,
>>"I know you want to draw America into your fight for secession."
why? I don't understand... What you wrote is just about Taiwan and Japan, two countries. I have no any ideas why it is related to the USA.
why? why? why?
And I think your people can't write English so I translated for him/she. You should appreciate to me. Don't you think so?
Oh, I know why you are angry. It should be translated to:
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Anyway, it is otiose that you say anything more. HaHa!!
China mainland and Taiwan will unify sooner or later. If you and "small" Japan want to get some nuclear bombs, neutron bombs. Then don't blame your brother, China. "HeHe"
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August 8, 2007 3:37 PM | Report Offensive Comments
If you anyone, Chinese, thinks there is anything worong for what I translated, please correct it. I just translated what you wrote. I didn't make up any thing!! And I just wanted everyone around the world to know about your thinking. I am so kind, right?
August 8, 2007 3:26 PM | Report Offensive Comments
To the Taiwanese,
Please don't make up some inflammatory words in Chinese and then translate it in English to badmouth China. I know you want to draw America into your fight for secession. But that's your fight, please stop dragging America along, stop sowing hatred between the Chinese people and the American people. This is despicable.
August 6, 2007 9:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
people who here talk about TaiWan's dependence are all insane or simply stupid. TaiWan is the integral part of China ,it's a commonsense. from u guys, i can learn that there are so many stupid persons in this world. hope that they are not all American cos i like American hot chicks. hehe!
August 5, 2007 5:56 AM | Report Offensive Comments
剛才做翻譯的那位，我不知道你是否是中國人，可能在政治上目前環不是，如果你是的話我就不多說了，一般我不對自己的同胞說穢語，那些詞是留給你的白人兄弟的, of course ,these words are all english
August 5, 2007 5:46 AM | Report Offensive Comments
I translate the second paragraph of the article written by 中國人(Chinese) for you who don't know Chinese used in Taiwan.
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>>"不管怎麼說啦， 講得再多都是沒有用的啦。哈哈!!
早晚大陸跟台灣要統一的啊。 如果你們想跟小日本一起挨幾顆原子彈，中子彈的話。 那就別怪大陸的兄弟了。 嘿嘿!!!"
Anyway, it is otiose that you say anything more. HaHa!!
China mainland and Taiwan will unify sooner or later. If you and Japan want to get some nuclear bombs, neutron bombs. Then don't blame your brother, China.
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If there are anything wrong about what I translated, you, Chinese, please tell me.
Therefore, this is the real face of the Chinese. They are always militarist.
August 1, 2007 10:04 AM | Report Offensive Comments
The downstair China jerk:
Keep dreaming, u fool.
Nuclear bomb?
Who do u wanna threaten? The idiots and illiteracies in China?
Come on, grow up.
Taiwan is independ of B.S China. It's a truth.
No matter how fxxking chinese would quibble.
July 30, 2007 4:40 AM | Report Offensive Comments
台灣的表哥表弟們來的還真不少呀。
只是一個個的都學壞了呀。
居然想分家了都。
不管怎麼說啦， 講得再多都是沒有用的啦。哈哈!!
早晚大陸跟台灣要統一的啊。 如果你們想跟小日本一起挨幾顆原子彈，中子彈的話。 那就別怪大陸的兄弟了。 嘿嘿!!!
中華家庭的事情怎麼還有小日本鬼子來放話。 奇怪！
仔細一看講話也是帶中文字哦。 原來又是個遠方的小表親， 等統一了台灣再教你好好學中文。 現在大陸都用簡體字了，教會了台灣再教日本啊。 呵呵呵！！！
July 29, 2007 5:32 AM | Report Offensive Comments
to Carl Sutton :
>>"Taiwan has held out for many years, but without any progress."
Everyone knows you are lying. Taiwan's progress, especially democracy, is proud!!
>>"Do you realize that China has the most powerful military force in the world today."
So this is why everyone said China is a militarist!!
>>"Taiwan in event of an invasion could not hope to get any support from any others."
We will protect our own country. You do NOT worry about it.
>>"The U.S. military cant even win a war in a country like Iraq that has no army."
HaHa. This is your crack. Always think that Chinese is the most intelligent and the greatest people in the world, China will be the master of this world in the soon future. Don't fool yourself any more!!
>>"Diplomacy is always better than defeat in war."
Your success is not based on diplomacy but is on Business and Market!! So you are not so great!!
to David Martin :
ChiChi,
>>"Taiwan's a wonderful country""
Yes. But it is not just country of a country. Taiwan is a real country and nation!! Don't play the wordy game!! And this is the other Chinese crack!!
>>"and it deserves recognition for its good government, prosperity"
We are having.
>>"and the important role it's played in China's economic development."
Yes. I know. Taiwanese businessmen is supporting China's economic development. Therefore, don't you think you have to appreciate to Taiwan and then remove the 1000 missiles targeting to Taiwan!!
>>"Unfortunately, Taiwan has the great misfortune to be claimed by a vastly larger country, with that claim diplomatically recognized by most of the rest of the world."
They just recognize that the one-China-policy!! In fact, Taiwan is not one of China so this fact doesn't conflict with this policy. Don't fool yourselves and other people any more!!
>>"My guess is that Taiwan is very vulnerable to economic and other less-than-military coercion. A quick Google search turned up this recent document, Chinese Economic Coercion Against Taiwan, A Tricky Weapon to Use"
So what?!! Economic development is not just occuring in China, it is in India as well!! And what China's economic is developing is in low level market but our, Taiwan's, advantage is in high level technology. Moreover, your products are getting problems and I believe that this will be getting serious because China is a communist country and Everything is not so open. Therefore, you, the Chinese, do have to worry about your safety.
July 25, 2007 1:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
ChiChi,
I've visited Taipei and very much want to see the mountains and the east and south coasts. Taiwan's a wonderful country, and it deserves recognition for its good government, prosperity, and the important role it's played in China's economic development.
Unfortunately, Taiwan has the great misfortune to be claimed by a vastly larger country, with that claim diplomatically recognized by most of the rest of the world. My guess is that Taiwan is very vulnerable to economic and other less-than-military coercion. A quick Google search turned up this recent document, Chinese Economic Coercion Against Taiwan, A Tricky Weapon to Use, by Murray Scot Tanner:
http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG507/
July 24, 2007 11:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Taiwan has held out for many years, but without any progress. What do they hope to gain.Do you realize that China has the most powerful military force in the world today.Taiwan in event of an invasion could not hope to get any support from any others.The U.S. military cant even win a war in a country like Iraq that has no army.Diplomacy is always better than defeat in war.Don't be reckless with your future.
July 24, 2007 7:22 PM | Report Offensive Comments
>>"I suppose that the Chinese government could, one day, announce that the provincial government on Taiwan has fallen into disorder (as in fighting among legislators) and that to protect the people of the province and ensure orderly government, Taiwan's ports and airports are closed to foreign traffic until further notice.
It would all be an internal matter."
HaHa. Dreaming is the fast way to your dream. Taiwan is a real country, we have our own president, law and army and we pay the tax to our own country, but not China. So the matter between Taiwan and China is international.
Besides, Taiwan is a democratic country so the fighting among legislators will not become disorder and this is not the normal situation you can understand for the Chinese controlled by a Communist country. Because everyone can speak out his/her thinking. Legislators they just want to attract people's attention, so this is not a big matter.
Therefore, keep dreaming. Have fun.
July 24, 2007 6:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I suppose that the Chinese government could, one day, announce that the provincial government on Taiwan has fallen into disorder (as in fighting among legislators) and that to protect the people of the province and ensure orderly government, Taiwan's ports and airports are closed to foreign traffic until further notice.
It would all be an internal matter.
July 24, 2007 5:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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All people in the world only admit one China and one Taiwan in the world world, regardless of the Chinese' view, in fact, the Chinese have no right to decide this. only the Taiwanese ourseves can decide this.
meanwhile, all chinese people including all humen around the world don't believe that China will become the best freedom, civilization and power contry. Ane everyone is worried that the products from China will kill life including humen,animals and vegetables and that China will harm their own country.
now, the Chinese were treated as the facility by their politician buffoon, as the dog by Chinese Communist Party. here, i appeal all people around the world to help them, let us support them, let us beat their politician buffoon, and let them get their dignity, democracy, and let them become men, not dog..
A Taiwanese from a real country, Taiwan
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By the way, could you, the Chinese, don't use the Chinese characters, especially the simplified Chinese, we don't understand what you are talking about. And if you don't write something other people can understand, no one will care about what you are thinking!!
July 24, 2007 1:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
台灣人從來未繳稅給中華人民共和國, period.
July 24, 2007 12:43 AM | Report Offensive Comments
自由民主世界的國家也更不允許專制極權的中國侵略自由民主的台灣國!
July 24, 2007 12:25 AM | Report Offensive Comments
我是一个中国人 我尊重台湾近几十年在经济、民主等方面取得的成绩，但是我反对台湾独立，不管你们自认为自己有多么的文明，但是为了我们自身的利益，我们绝对不能容忍一在中国的大门口停着一艘永远打不沉的航空母舰，不能容忍任何国家利用台湾来围堵中国的发展。
我相信 中国领导人一定有办法解决台湾问题，让我们拭目以待！！
July 24, 2007 12:16 AM | Report Offensive Comments
台灣自古不屬中國
http://www.wufi.org.tw/
July 24, 2007 12:13 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Why the UN should admit Taiwan
Li Thian-hok
Brief history of Taiwan
In writing about Taiwan Western reporters often state that Taiwan split off from China in 1949 as a result of the Chinese Civil War. This is a misleading statement giving the impression that Taiwan has always been a part of China until 1949. In fact, in Taiwan's 400-year recorded history, the island was separated from China for long periods of time. Taiwan's history may be characterized as an incessant struggle for freedom against alien rulers.
From 1624 to 1662, Taiwan was a Dutch colony. The Ming dynasty loyalist Koxinga and his son ruled Taiwan from 1662 to 1683. The Manchu tribes which conquered China and established the Qing Dynasty then controlled Taiwan until 1895. After its defeat in a war with Japan the Qing Dynasty ceded Taiwan and the Pescadores to Japan in perpetuity in 1895 in the Treaty of Shimonseki. Unwilling to submit to Japanese rule, the Taiwanese established a short-lived Taiwan Democratic Republic that year.
At the end of World War II, Chiang Kai-shek's Kuomintang (KMT) troops took over Taiwan's administration on behalf of the allied powers. On February 28, 1947, the islanders rose in protest against the corruption and systemic looting of the Chinese administration. Governor Chen Yi sent for reinforcements from China, which then massacred some 28,000 protesters and community leaders. In the ensuing 38-years of martial law under KMT dictatorship thousands more dissidents were imprisoned or executed.
In October 1971 Chiang Kai-shek's representatives were expelled from the UN. In 1979, the United States recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC). Because of these diplomatic setbacks and internal pressure from the native Taiwanese (who comprise 85% of the population) to democratize, the KMT regime acquiesced in the formation of the opposition Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) in September 1986. Martial law was lifted the following year.
Lee Teng-hui, a native Taiwanese who became president in 1988 implemented democratic reforms. In 1996 he was re-elected in the first direct election of a president. In 2000 peaceful transfer of power to the opposition DPP was achieved when Chen Shui-bian was elected president.
This brief summary shows that it is factually incorrect to say that Taiwan has always been an integral part of China.
Taiwan's legal status
Also incorrect is the assertion that Taiwan is a province of the PRC. The PRC has never ruled Taiwan, not even a single day. Taiwan is not a part of China. Taiwan has not been Chinese territory since 1895, when China ceded Taiwan to Japan in perpetuity. The occupation of Taiwan in 1945 by the forces of Chiang Kai-shek was a temporary measure on behalf of the allied forces. It did not alter the legal status of the island.
In 1951 the allied powers formally ended World War II with Japan in the San Francisco Peace Treaty, in which Japan gave up its sovereignty over Taiwan. But the Treaty did not specify a recipient. Delegates of Great Britain, Egypt and France stated at that time that Taiwan's legal status was to be determined at a future date in accordance with the principle of self-determination and the expressed wish of the inhabitants.
On October 25, 1971 the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 2758, to recognize the Government of the PRC as the only lawful representative of China to the United Nations and to expel the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek from the UN and related organizations. Resolution 2758, however, did not address the issue of Taiwan's sovereignty and did not confer on the PRC the right to represent Taiwan.
The US and many allied nations adopt the "One China policy" which is not well defined. When pressed US government officials often merely recite the Taiwan Relations Act and the three US-PRC joint communiques of 1972, 1979 and 1982 as elements of that policy. The key document is the 1972 Shanghai Communique which states: "The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain that there is but one China and that Taiwan is part of China." So the US took note of the claim that Taiwan was part of China by the PRC and the KMT government in Taiwan. The US did not accept or take a position on the Chinese claim. This refusal to recognize the PRC and KMT claims on Taiwan was reaffirmed by President Reagan when he assured Taipei in 1982 that the US position on Taiwan's sovereignty would not change.
So how should the legal status of Taiwan be determined? The principle of self-determination is enshrined in the UN Charter and in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Through much sacrifice and struggle the people of Taiwan have overturned the Leninist KMT regime and established a thriving democracy in Taiwan. They have exercised their right of self-determination through the ballot box. They are the sole legitimate owners of Taiwan.
The fragile status quo
Today Taiwan is a de facto independent nation and a vibrant democracy. Taiwan is the world's 17th largest economy and the world's 16th largest trading country. Taiwan holds the third largest foreign exchange reserves. Taiwan participates in various foreign assistance and humanitarian and relief programs. Taiwan is a member of the World Trade Organization, the Asian Development Bank and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation.
Taiwan meets the attributes of a state, with a population of 23 million, a defined territory and a government capable of conducting international relations.
The only reason Taiwan is not recognized by the major powers as a state is Beijing's claim that the island is a part of China, even though the claim is not supported by either history or international law. China has targeted 800 ballistic missiles against Taiwan. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) is rapidly modernizing, with the focused aim of overwhelming Taiwan's resistance before help can arrive.
Beijing has also adopted a united front strategy, working with Taiwan's opposition parties, pro-China media and businessmen with investments in China to subvert Taiwan's democratic institutions and the ruling DPP government from within. The recent mass demonstration in Taipei attests to the effectiveness of this strategy. Ostensibly the demonstration aims to depose President Chen Shui-bian. The real purpose, however, is to scuttle Taiwan's democracy and the rule of law, to create internal division and chaos so as to facilitate PRC annexation of free Taiwan.
Furthermore, China's expansionist ambitions extend beyond Taiwan. China has claimed virtually the entire South China Sea and its territorial waters. Its Second Artillery is building a nuclear strike capability which can reach the US homeland, including submarines with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. The PLA is developing weapons which could destroy military satellites of other nations in space. Chinese submarines have repeatedly intruded into Japanese territory in recent years. With its growing budget and acquisition of state of the art weapons, the PLA poses an ever greater threat, notably to Taiwan but also to the whole East Asia region and ultimately to South Asia and the United States as well. By resisting Chinese pressure to capitulate, Taiwan is preserving the increasingly precarious balance of power in the Taiwan Strait and peace and stability of East Asia.
If Taiwan should fall into PRC hands the PLA will be able to project its power well into the Western Pacific. China will then control the sea lanes and airspace vital to the survival of Japan and South Korea. A serious conflict could develop between Japan and China. Japan could decide to go nuclear, to cope with the twin threats from North Korea and the PRC. Preserving the status quo is thus critical to peace and stability of Asia.
Taiwan's membership will strengthen the UN
On September 8 US Congressman Tom Tancredo (R, CO) wrote a letter to UN Ambassador John Bolton in support of Taiwan's membership in the UN. Tancredo was joined by Congressmen Dana Rohrbacher (R, CA), Robert Andrews (D, NJ) and Steve Chabot (R, OH). Tancredo, a member of the House International Relations Committee, wrote: "Taiwan is a stable, democratic presence in Asia, a bulwark of support for human rights and a world economic power, home to a thriving multi-party democracy with free and fair elections held at all levels of government. It is, by all measures, a sovereign country €“ and it should be treated as such." Rohrbacher added, "Taiwan is a free country ruled by freely elected people.... Taiwan should be a member of the United Nations...."
Taiwan is the only country which is denied UN membership. Only by admitting Taiwan to full membership in the UN can the principle of universality be satisfied. The preamble to the UN Charter states:
"We the peoples of the United Nations [are] determined to reaffirm the faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small."
Article 1 of the Charter states that the purposes of the UN are "(1) to maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to peace.... (2) to develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples....
Taiwan's admission to the United Nations would enable the UN to put in practice the lofty ideals and purposes stipulated in the UN Charter. Exclusion of Taiwan due to political expediency weakens the UN and makes a mockery of the UN's missions and efficacy.
July 24, 2007 12:07 AM | Report Offensive Comments
其他的地方的中国人,我们不管他们怎么想的,也没有必要去管他们怎么想.大陆这里的人就是要求,并且只能接受一个中国.
同时,我们相信大陆的人,将会是全球最自由的国家,最富裕,最强大,最文明的国家,这是我们的奋斗目标.
目前台湾人民,只是被一些政治小丑玩弄的工具,呼吁那些具有爱国心的海外华人,你们应该帮助这些可怜的台湾人,让他们不要被美国,日本人当狗看了..让他们不要被那些政客,当工具玩了..他们也是中国人,也需要有人的自由和尊严.
一个伟大国家的人
All people in land only face one china at world, regardless of other oversea chinese's view, in fact, they have no right to decide this. only Great chinese in land, Hongkong, macuo, taiwan can decide this.
meanwhile, all chinese peoples trust our contry must become the best freedom,civilization,power contry.
now, taiwan peoples were treated as the facility by their politician buffoon, as the dog by U.S and Japan. here, i appeal all chinese help them, let us supporting them, let me beat their politician buffoon, and let them get their dignity, let them become man, not dog..
A great China peoples
July 23, 2007 9:14 PM | Report Offensive Comments
新华网武汉７月２３日电（记者 魏梦佳、王敏）美味的番石榴、番荔枝，爽口的火龙果、葡萄柚，芳香的金煌芒果……２３日，在“２００７台湾优质农产品巡回展览”分展场武汉，来自台湾的４０多种时令水果和包装农产品香飘江城，引来众多市民品尝、购买。
此次巡回展览由海峡两岸农业交流协会、台湾省农会主
办，于７月２０日至２５日分别在上海、南京、福州、武汉、广州、大连６个城市举行，以展示推介台湾特色、优质农产品为重点，以促进其在大陆市场销售。
在分展场武汉的武商量贩百圣店，３１名来自台湾的农业团体负责人、果品采购商、供销经营户等携台湾特色水果和农产品来到市民中间，进行现场展示介绍，并供人们免费品尝。
来自厦门市台湾水果集散中心的温仁得正兴致勃勃地向人们介绍台湾水果。他告诉记者，这是他第一次到武汉，带了十几种台湾水果过来。“希望能把它们介绍给大陆的朋友们，更希望通过农产品巡展这座桥梁，把台湾农业先进技术和大陆丰富的市场和土地资源相结合，促进两岸农业经济合作交流。”
记者在现场看到，面对色彩鲜艳的各式水果，众多市民蜂拥而至，纷纷品尝，不时发出啧啧的赞叹声。
据悉，汉台农业合作始于上世纪９０年代，主要集中在食品加工、种养殖、农产品物流等行业，截至目前，台湾同胞累计投资武汉农业项目６０个，投资总额２．３亿美元，其中投资额在１０００万美元以上的台资农业企业已有６家。
July 23, 2007 8:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
新华网武汉７月２３日电（记者 魏梦佳、王敏）美味的番石榴、番荔枝，爽口的火龙果、葡萄柚，芳香的金煌芒果……２３日，在“２００７台湾优质农产品巡回展览”分展场武汉，来自台湾的４０多种时令水果和包装农产品香飘江城，引来众多市民品尝、购买。
此次巡回展览由海峡两岸农业交流协会、台湾省农会主
办，于７月２０日至２５日分别在上海、南京、福州、武汉、广州、大连６个城市举行，以展示推介台湾特色、优质农产品为重点，以促进其在大陆市场销售。
在分展场武汉的武商量贩百圣店，３１名来自台湾的农业团体负责人、果品采购商、供销经营户等携台湾特色水果和农产品来到市民中间，进行现场展示介绍，并供人们免费品尝。
来自厦门市台湾水果集散中心的温仁得正兴致勃勃地向人们介绍台湾水果。他告诉记者，这是他第一次到武汉，带了十几种台湾水果过来。“希望能把它们介绍给大陆的朋友们，更希望通过农产品巡展这座桥梁，把台湾农业先进技术和大陆丰富的市场和土地资源相结合，促进两岸农业经济合作交流。”
记者在现场看到，面对色彩鲜艳的各式水果，众多市民蜂拥而至，纷纷品尝，不时发出啧啧的赞叹声。
据悉，汉台农业合作始于上世纪９０年代，主要集中在食品加工、种养殖、农产品物流等行业，截至目前，台湾同胞累计投资武汉农业项目６０个，投资总额２．３亿美元，其中投资额在１０００万美元以上的台资农业企业已有６家。
July 23, 2007 8:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I am Chinese. I support Taiwanese fight for
freedom and democracy. I hope China can get
along with Taiwan Nation well and learn more
from Taiwanese, such as democratic reformation
and election.
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我是中国人。我支持台湾人为实现自由民主的斗争事业。我希望
中台两国能够世代和平相处，我们能从台湾人那里学到更多东
西，比如民主改革和选举的经验。
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我是中國人。我支持台灣人為實現自由民主的鬥爭事業。我希望
中台兩國能夠世代和平相處，我們能從台灣人那裏學到更多東
西，比如民主改革和選舉的經驗。
July 21, 2007 11:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I am Chinese. I support Taiwanese fight for
freedom and democracy. I hope China can get
along with Taiwan Nation well and learn more
from Taiwanese, such as democratic reformation
and election.
______________________________________________
我是中国人。我支持台湾人为实现自由民主的斗争事业。我希望
中台两国能够世代和平相处，我们能从台湾人那里学到更多东
西，比如民主改革和选举的经验。
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我是中國人。我支持台灣人為實現自由民主的鬥爭事業。我希望
中台兩國能夠世代和平相處，我們能從台灣人那裏學到更多東
西，比如民主改革和選舉的經驗。
July 21, 2007 11:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I am Chinese. I support Taiwanese fight for
freedom and democracy. I hope China can get along with Taiwan Nation well and learn more from Taiwanese, such as democratic reformation and election.
July 21, 2007 11:04 PM | Report Offensive Comments
ONE CHINA ONE TAIWAN
July 21, 2007 1:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
ONE CHINA ONE TAIWAN
July 21, 2007 1:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
What Impmonte posted is very clear and pointed the problems inside China.
Besides, the news of the steamed buns with meat made by 40% meat and 60% paper-box and then eaten by Chinese themselves in China these few days is "clarified" that that is a deceit made by TV station to win the rating. However, the "balck-heart foods" is normal in China. We don't know if China government wants to quiet down the ensuing comments so wants the journo to take the responsibility just like the Chinese food drugs
supervise administrative bureau Bureau Chief Zheng Hsiaoyu. We don't know and what other countries can do is to tell their people "be careful when anyone goes to China!!" We just know that to fall victim to this kind things is the Chinese!!
Moreover, besides the foods problem, your poverty gap problem will be getting serious. Altough we are not Chinese, we still worry about you, because this is a global society and any country can't be totally safe when one country has problems. Therefore, that tell your leader to concentrate on your own problems is your topic!! Don't waste more money in military and then harras other countries.
July 19, 2007 10:27 AM | Report Offensive Comments
[ Great era on July 18 news ] Does not leave the people to expect, after the Chinese food drugs
supervise administrative bureau Bureau Chief Zheng Hsiaoyu to sentence the death penalty, the
appeal is invalid, his head will be fall to the ground. No matter how Zheng "does coordinate
to handle a case", how "acknowledges guilt the manner to be good", he all must go dies. Zheng's
procedure for appeal also is carrying on, the highest official mouthpiece "People's Daily",
already carried the editorial, judged the political death penalty to it; At the same time, does
Premier Wen Jiabao in the State Council routine conference, how handle Zheng Hsiaoyu, personally
to supervises the subordinate to instruct. Does not hesitate directly to expose: In now China,
the non- jurisdiction independence absolutely, the rule by people is bigger than the government
by law.
Zheng must go dies, because, this chapter, the false medicine poisonous food, the disaster not
merely is a Chinese, but also annoyed in the ocean number of people. "The ocean adults" can it
be that your this class late Chin dynasty corrupt officials are reincarnated the Chinese
Communist Party corrupt officials stir up? After discovery more and more many China counterfeit
goods poison, US, Canada, Japan, as well as country and so on Central America, Europe, launches
the split-second action, resists the Chinese product. They put "Made in China" drugs, food, pet
food, toothpaste and so on, in abundance bottom carriage, returned goods. A healthy food
company located at American Utah, even simply on the product which they sells, all pastes
on "does not have the China produced raw material" the label, lets the consumer be relieved.
On the century later period, Deng Xiaoping once many times shouted wants "to hold the
opportunity", he referred to "the opportunity", was starts from on century 80's, the world
industrialized country, including Asia "the four dragons", for reduced the cost, shifted in
abundance the manufacturing industry to third world country. China has held that "the
opportunity", rapid "rises" to be "the industrial works of the world".
Also did not say, China in becomes "the industrial works of the world" in the process, in
the resources exhaust and the environmental pollution aspect, has paid the what kind soaring
price; Only said,unexpectedly,caused the Chinese profiteer corrupt officials are eager for
quick success and immediate gain, do plot together concoct the spurious counterfeit product?
Cheating the world to feel frustrated the people. Here are only simply lifts several examples:
The Chinese Communist Party official media acknowledged that, A nearly half Chinese consumer
purchases goes against the level furniture is counterfeit goods; The Beijing loaded in barrels
water, one half is the false water; World famous Beijing "the Xiu water market", is in evidence
"a counterfeit goods street"; In Guangdong market name brand liquor, 90% adulteration; . But
pretends the spurious product, is develops from the deceit to the harm, develops from the harm
to the fatal. For instance, from the false wristwatch, the false viagra,
develops the false blood plasma, the false auto parts and so on.
In on international, the American customs announced, ferrets out in the counterfeit goods,
60% above come from China; Asian various countries statistics: "Black heart food" mostly comes
from China; In Russia, the Russian calls out in alarm: Chinese commodity, 100% counterfeit
goods!
Before long, "China makes" (Made in China), by the people thought is "the low-price quality
merchandise", is all the rage the world, in Europe and America, nearly each family, all floods
"China makes" the thing. At the present, "China makes", actually like the target of universal
detestation, everybody shouted hits. "China makes" becomes "shame of the Chinese".
Including Chinese consumer itself, all did not believe "China makes", but recognized Japanese
electric appliance best, South Korean biscuit best, the Taiwan fruit is best... ... Japan,
South Korea, Taiwan and so on, are conquers the world by the high quality product; China,
actually is by pretends the spurious product impact world.
Luckily also has the international society, luckily also has the world consensus, luckily also
has the civilized world, otherwise, the Chinese Communist Party authority, eternal truth Mao Zedong
bragged, is "the buddhist priest opens an umbrella, lawless".
The matter develops this step, the Chinese Communist Party authority only reluctantly acknowledges
the fact, actually certainly does not admit mistakes, refuses the apology, but also quibbles in every
way. To afterwards, when accuses more and more many, but also transfers to "the counter-attack",
declared also must clutch "the imported goods" problem. Even says "Chinese food high compared to the
American food qualified rate also" that is a huge joke! In other words, Chinese government response,
always the same old story: By the rumour to the fact, by unreasonably to holds true, by barbarically
to civilization. The China royal secretary or "indignant youngman", put the foreign condemnation,
talks into is "the response excessively", even talks into that is America and Japan "the nationalism
unseemly behavior", even talks into is "the anti-Chinese tide".
From the government to the folk, has not completely engaged in introspection consciousness, indicates
the Chinese society's whole to degenerate with is rotten to the core. The South Korean newspaper pointed
out that, The Chinese counterfeit goods overflow, is because, China does not have the religion,
"China is only the country which treats the money as the religion esteems".
Counterfeit goods behind, is corrupt; Corrupt behind, is a system, A party despotic system which not
supervises. Should say that, the counterfeit goods poison biggest manufacturer, is high level resists
the Chinese Communist Party which refuse the politics changes. Zheng Hsiaoyu no doubt should kill,
just so-called: "Does not kill is insufficient to the even popular indignation". However, tolerates
the system which Zheng Hsiaoyu corrupt spoiled becomes second nature to be supposed to kill? High level
resists the Chinese Communist Party which refuse the politics changes to be supposed to kill? Answer
self-evident: Treats an illness when effects a permanent cure, captures the ringleader first.
(07/10/07 The free Asian broadcasting station)
July 19, 2007 8:58 AM | Report Offensive Comments
to Anonymous,
>>"That means if Taiwan is to become a truly independent country, it needs the consent of mainlanders. If China is to regain control of Taiwan, it must have the consent of Taiwan."
Taiwan is independent for 50 years, this is the truth. Don't try to fool yourself any more.
>>"As far as history is concerned, I will never agree with you based on the arguments you gave.
My view is that even though Taiwan's status is clearly a Chinese territory based on legal a standpoint, "
Then please explain what I am waiting for. According to San Francisco Treaty, Taiwan doesn't belong to China at all!!
>>"China is way too powerful even for the US to stop if she wants to take Taiwan now."
HaHa. Then try it!! Why don't you take Taiwan now?
Everyone knows you are afraid of the US and you have so many problems inside China. Care more about your own country, China.
>>"The best way to keep peace is to try to understand where each other is coming from."
I said that America should be returned to the UK. And Taiwan maybe should be returned to Holland because one of my ancestors was from Holland and Holland is not having/ had 1000 missiles targeting at Taiwan. But now anyone asks me and my answer is, I am Taiwanese or I am from Taiwan. Got it?
In fact, I repect you and I think you are a meritorious opponent because you always took Declarations or Treaties(even if they are useless or unlawful) as your evidences. You are not like someone who just wrote ridiculous wording without any evidences. But I still want to convince you the following of my thinking.
Please tell/affect China government that give up any military actions and coeternity peacfully with Taiwan. Thus China can concentrate on the issues of inside China and then every country will believe that China is not harmful and you may have the opportunities to become stronger.
Taiwanese will protect our own country and our people just like everyone in the world. And I don't think you can take Taiwan so easily.
July 18, 2007 6:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I said before,
who said history we must follow,
we can create history now and that must be futures' history.
who say we cannot pass and stop where we are.
If that, the world never have new country.
If that, ROC can't revolution to the Man-qing government,
and PRC can't revolution to the ROC government.
If that, now have not the US country.
July 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I said before,
who said history we must follow,
we can create history now and that must be futures' history.
who say we cannot pass and stop where we are.
If that, the world never have new country.
If that, ROC can't revolution to the Man-qing government,
and PRC can't revolution to the ROC government.
If that, now have not the US country.
July 18, 2007 12:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
to chichi:
acturally,i do not think you have strong logic.
i found you were so redicurous that you claimed you were win in the arguments with BLUESKY.
i understand you sbout your feeling,you felt so losing when you found you could not find any strong evidents to support you point.then you just want to cheat youself to make youself feel better.
whatever,do you or me have good logic is not important to the fact that taiwan is a part of chia.and you know very clear about the politic tending.even you win in a argument is do not mean anything,not mentain you did not.
i believe everyone love peace including you and ne.in resent situation,the so-called taiwan leader should pay more attention to keeping peace between mainland and ialand.
July 18, 2007 6:36 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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炎黃子孫、血濃於水、五百年前是一家?
言謊子孫!
炎帝、黃帝都只是神話,沒有史實根據,完全是後代附會虛構,
是服務君王統治者的工具,充滿排外、唯我獨尊的大漢沙文主義。
甚至到近代孫文所主張的「五族共和」也是以漢族同化其他民族的大漢沙文思想,
企圖以政治力來「形成」所謂的「中華民族」。這些不僅與現代民權思想、
國際潮流格格不入,更容易對內成為民族主義的溫床,對外成為侵略擴張的藉口。
The Chinese people, the blood is thicker than water, 500 years ago are one family?
It's a lie!
炎帝, 黃帝 is only a myth, does not have the historical evidence basis,
completely is the later ages to strain their interpretation and fictionalizes,
is serves the king ruler's tool, fills the antiforeign, the conceited Han chauvinism.
Even arrives "五族共和" also is by the Han Nationality which modern Sun Wen advocated
assimilates other national the guy Chauvin thought, attempts to come "the formation"
so-called by the political strength "the Chinese nation". These not only with the modern
democratic ideas, the international tidal current are incompatible with, easily becomes
the nationalism to in the hotbed, foreign becomes the pretext which the aggression expands.
July 18, 2007 4:05 AM |