Anti-Americanism Still Rising?


PostGlobal's Amar Bakshi is taking a laptop and video camera around the world to explore people's views of America. Will he find anti-Americanism still on the rise in your country, and is the damage permanent?

Posted by Ignatius, Zakaria & Ahn on May 18, 2007 7:00 AM

Readers’ Responses to Our Question (140)

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Tom Wonacott :

BobL

I am not poll driven or running for office. I realize where Bush is in the polls, but should I follow the polls if they are contrary to what I believe? You support Gay marriage, but because you are in the minority, should you change to the majority?

My point to Salamon, and the poll clearly showed this, was that terrorism drives American support for Israel. If the US is to play a more neutral role in the peace process, then the method employed to achieve peace must be diplomacy (for example, the Arab Peace Initiative proposed by the Arab League). That is why I supported South Africa meeting with Haniyah - diplomacy. Hamas, much like Salamon, believes in a one state solution i.e., the destruction of Israel. Thus far, they (not Salamon, hopefully) have undermined the peace process.

Except for the last line, your post makes sense. War is all about terror for civilians and combatants. The Geneva Convention was written to provide rules for warfare.

For myself, terrorism or a terrorist act is defined (not exclusively) as the "targeting (killing) of civilians for political gain". A good example is the "sectarian violence" in Iraq. That defines terrorism to me. Haditha is another example (if convicted).

As I have previously mentioned, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were also terrorist acts. Hamas has participated in numerous civilian assaults, and in my opinion, is a classic, modern terrorist organization.

You are always a terrorist or committed an act of terrorism if you target civilians, so that would include most radical Islamic organizations (some might say, conveniently).

You mentioned in an earlier post that you wanted me to define "war on terrorism" which I plan on doing, but not tonight (hopefully, in the next few days).

You also mentioned that Carter was a horrible President (or something to that effect). It's interesting that he resided over one of the most important peace agreements in the twentieth century (Camp David Peace Accords), but that agreement is, at least, in part, responsible for the formation of the radical Islamic groups present today. Many people in the Middle East do not view that agreement in a positive light.

I believe history will eventually say that the Camp David Accords paved the way for peace in the Middle East.

BobL-VA :

Tom, (not Tom Wonacott)

You wrote:

"Isn't it interesting, there's never any mention of how the USA and it's people always come forward with help and money when some other country faces a disaster. Our Military even provides medical assistance to the so called insurgents in Iraq when they are injured. Maybe next time there is a Tsunami or some kind of disaster in one of these countries America should sit back and tell these ingrates "You're on your own"."

Congratulations. You've won the "I can't string two logical thoughts in one post award" This award is saved for people who write really bad misleading and inaccurate posts and then play the "woe is America" card at the end. Your post is a blue ribbon winner of this award.

First, there are constant stories about America donating money, goods and services for natural disasters around the world. Second, Iraq is not a natural disaster, it is a man made one. Since we caused it we should treat the wounded. Third, I have no doubt the Iraqi people wish they could be on their own as you suggest. (Ah, those ingrates should be happy we blew up their country and now occupy and control it.

BobL-VA :

Tom Wonacott,

I don't have an axe to grind with Stan Greenburg. My point was you can't run around and use polls to justify a position in Israel and at the same time dismiss the overwhelming body of polls showing Americans are sick of Iraq and sick of Bush.

I've tried to avoid this upcoming discussion and have only skimmed over it in the past, but it is time to delve into the meaning of terror/terrorism and how it is used. For the purposes of this post terror is intense fear. Terrorism/terrorist acts are the implementation of policies and actions to invoke intense fear among people. I've dismissed natural acts like volcanoes, sunami's, etc. that can evoke terror and am only looking at acts committed by human beings.

The very nature of war/armed conflict is interwoven with the word terror. Both sides of any conflict are purposely trying to demoralize and terrorize the opposing side so they can impose their will. Recently, the US strategy of Shock and Awe was designed to terrorize the forces of Iraq. AlQaida's bombing of the world trade center was designed to terrorize Americans. Now, you could argue in the American case we were terrorizing military forces while Bin Laden was terrorizing civilians. Such an argument would be valid in it's own right, but it would also be misleading. Any time one side of a conflict is vastly superior militarily the other side will use the tactics they have available to them to attempt to impose their will. Al Qaida could never mount an invasion of the US and fight the US military in a conventional war. Hence, they choose the tactics their situation dictates.

It used to be revolution/revolutionaries were words that evoked terror. However, Wall Street Ad Agencies co-opted the word and now our washing machines are revolutionary. The word revolution is no longer a "bad" word. Trust me when I say before long laundry detergent will "Terrorize Dirt." We've also bastardized the word war. Today we have a war on drugs (we're losing) and a war on poverty (I'm not sure it can be won) and a war on selective terrorism (we've excused our own acts of terror from this war). It used to be wars could only be between sovreign groups and states now we have wars against concepts. Hmmm....I wonder why we have such a hard time fighting concepts?

So, who is the terrorist? The US for terrorizing the Iraqi's military and population or the Islamic Militants for terrorizing US citizens? Maybe, it's the Sunni's for terroizing the Shia's or the Shia's for terroizing the Sunni's. Just of curiousity do you find it odd when a Shia miltia blows up a Sunni market place we call it secretarian violence and when Al Qaida blows up an American we call it terrorism? Do you see the irony here?

People who have the means and the will to kill other people and follow through are committing acts of terror. It's that simple. Someone is being terrorized by their actions. Hence, the word terror has been so misused in the ME it has lost all meaning. "We're fighting the dreaded terrorists." No, we are not. We're fighting various Islamic militant groups who are dedicated to ridding the ME of Israel because they believe their land was stolen. We fought the Iraqi Army. We're not fighting a concept, we're fighting people. The present use of the word terror only confuses what is really going on over in the ME. It serves no purpose other then to motivate young men and women who need to believe the people they are killing are bad people. Bush/Cheney are guilty of co-opting the term and redefining it to include virtually any group that is willing to take up arms against us. Since they have certainly done that are we not also guilty of committing terrorist acts against anyone we pick up arms against? Of course we are.

Don't be to concerned Tom. Someday, a light will go off in your head and you'll say, "how could I have been so wrong, Bush really was an idiot."

Dave! :

Salamon,
"I do not think that there is anyone who needs tonet more millions per annum than the minimum wage earner earns in thousands." And that is where we differ. I don't begrudge anybody that legally earns billions (and just for the record i don't). How much is a Bill Gates worth? Or a Warren Buffett? Or Steve Jobs? Or Jack Welch? Or a Sam Walton? They had their ideas. They took the risks. They created millions of jobs and many products that help people all over the world do their jobs or allow people to support their families. I'm glad you think you know what people should earn and what you think is OK. Personally, i don't think anyone has the right to say how much people are allowed to earn.

As far as Hedge funds are concerned, my undertanding is that they are unregulated, open to a select few wealthy investors and allow you to "hedge your bet" against current market trends (an idea that's been around for over 50 years). I'm not sure what is inherently evil about them although if big enough, they can affect the markets, in many cases to the detriment of many. But then again, so can a lot of money placed anywhere (regulated funds, markets, etc). But its an nice liberal boogeyman!

ORL :

"Isn't it interesting, there's never any mention of how the USA and it's people always come forward with help and money when some other country faces a disaster. Our Military even provides medical assistance to the so called insurgents in Iraq when they are injured."

TOM, don't you think that's a bit much?

Given the US military (and innumerable "contractors"!) are the source of the disaster, let's just keep them all at home, and there won't be insurgents; hence, no need for our military to be there, no need for them to provide any medical assistance to insurgents.

By the way, you could ask that our military not maim children (loss of arms and legs). That would save our military and civilian medical teams the trouble to make a fuss over fitting those kids with artificial limbs which they never needed in the first place, before we got there.

Honestly, as I write this, more and more do I find your cynicism below contempt, as hundreds of thousands of victims is what this is about.

With comments like yours, one can understand people all over the world love us so much that they demand we "Go Home!"

Zoltan :

What about making a difference between "America" and "Americans" ? The same for "Europe" and "Europeans" or "France" vs "French", "Iran" vs "Iranians" ...

Talking about "America" (or "anti-americanism") is "nationalism", and nationalism has as main contributors Milosevich, Franco, Hitler, Bush, Sarkozy, Gyurcsányi,... they reduce people, human beings, to stickers like "Sunni" or "Chiite" or "leftist" or "liberal" or "American" or "Hungarian", talking about the pride to be [insert-something-here]. It's b...sh.t !!!

I understand there are many different "americans" but when they (you) unite under a common umbrella ("America", "The Constitution", "The Flag", "Patriotism",...) they (you) CHOOSE to become part of a herd. It is this very notion of "herd" or "nationalism" that we (many here in Europe) oppose. Not only from americans, but also from serbs, germans, french,... As it happens, this movement is VERY strong nowadays in the US.

There is an unfortunate but old history of nationalism more or less every-where in the world, but you ("americans") don't have it and hence don't know the dangers that it can bring. You are only now experiencing the beginnings of it with Cheney and Co. Saying "Bush is OUR problem" is like saying "Hitler was Germany's problem": it was not.

And "capitalism" is a herd as any other.


a real american :

what i want to know is when you come up with site and posted the question, did you type with one hand and have your pants around your ankles?

blame america for everything is the order of the day and those who are not american are doing their best to get here from all those other countries that hate america.

sydney sue :

Chill out guys!
The past few years have been terrible for many of us. The U.S. has lost credibility in the eyes of the world, but so too, has Australia and Britain. There are many of us "down here" who disagreed with the illegal position taken by "The coalition of the Willing", yet our govt. went ahead anyway. History will not look favourably on our nations, yet hopefully we might all learn. The trick will be not to forget about the current foreign policy blunders of our governments and to correctly decipher future "spin".
Meanwhile the U.S. voters have done what they can with the mid-term elections and the British public have "kissed" goodbye to Tony Blair. Our P.M. John Howard is facing a hostile electorate in his run to the next election. I agree with Bobl-Va 5/18 , that the situation for us is repairable, but what about those poor Iraqis and our own troops who are still being injured and/or killed while the wheels of democracy slowly turn in our home countries. Before worrying about international reputations, perhaps we should fix this mess! But remeber U.S. You are not alone1 Australia shares your shame!

TOM :

Isn't it interesting, there's never any mention of how the USA and it's people always come forward with help and money when some other country faces a disaster. Our Military even provides medical assistance to the so called insurgents in Iraq when they are injured. Maybe next time there is a Tsunami or some kind of disaster in one of these countries America should sit back and tell these ingrates "You're on your own".

Tom Wonacott :

BobL

Although I didn't spend a great deal of time looking, I didn't find anything to suggest that Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research (GQR)and Quinnipiac University Polling Institute (QUPI), in any way, lack credibility, or tainted the results for the benefit of AIPAC. As you can probably guess, for a company that provides polling on various issues, tainting results would be disastrous if caught. Maybe you have some other information.

"...Latest NPR Survey Finds Voters Still Angry at GOP, Pessimistic About Iraq
Greenberg Quinlan Rosner / Public Opinion Strategies
NPR
December 15, 2006 from US Politics > NPR Surveys..."

Do you believe this poll conducted by Greenberg Quilan Rosner was also tainted?


"...However, my personal favorite was when you responded with a pro-Israeli group running a bogus opinion poll showing most Americans favor Israel. I think I liked this one the best. Since when did you care about opinion polls? Your fearless leader (Bush) is at the bottom of every opinion poll taken in this country and you have the audacity to pick a tainted poll to further your agenda. That's intellectual dishonesty at best..."

Since I had to look up the polling institutes to check their credibility, it's fairly obvious I could have made a mistake, but I guarantee you there was no "intellectual dishonesty" involved. In some respects, I appreciate the compliment because when most people call me a name, it's rarely with "intellectual" in front of it.

This post was approved by the RNC.

Salamon :

Mike B et all :

Interesting analysis of torture /suicide bombing in USA's population White/ Muslim, attack Iran White /USA JEW et al [most scary results of PEW POLL]:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?last_story=/opinion/greenwald/2007/05/23/polls/


Dave:
I do not believe that you took my meaning in reasonable manner. I do not think that there is anyone who needs tonet more millions per annum than the minimum wage earner earns in thousands.

Moreover, the games played with borrowed money by the idle rich and their agents [HEDGE FUNDS PRIVATE EQUITY] is essentially a robber baron opertaional mode made possible by the arcane income tax laws of USA with the appropriate loop-holes to assure that this destructive game can keep on playing [ouitsourcing, rationalizing, reformulating, economizing etc] so that a few clear over a BILLION PER YEAR, many 100-s of MILLIONS. et all so that the bottom 50 percent can suffer for lack of medical treatment, etc.

I am sure that you are PROUD that the USA has the WRST HEALTHCARE in industrialized world [at largest cost] even tailing that poor {USA] abused country off your Florida Coast a.k.a. as CUBA.


BUT YOU VOTED FOR WAR PRESIDENT, and willed the bill to other people yet unborn -- your generousity is overwhelming.

Joe Schmo :

AMviennaVA:

You apparently missed the main point of my post, which is that Americans will act in their own self-interest, the same as any other country. The world community is in constant flux, and truthfully, there are people and places that are really, really bad. It's not so surprising that some people would disagree with Americans, and it's also not surprising that a major power will do things that offends others. This is the nature of life and of history.

What is surprising is when good people turn their backs on good friends, and embrace bad people while ignoring the horrible things those bad people are doing.

If you really want to preserve the world comity, then it is probably a good idea to get rid of the stereotypes, the lying, and the rose-colored glasses, and start thinking more critically about these things.

Finally, I didn't say anything positive or negative about either Bush or Cheney. It may surprise you to know that not everything is about them.

MikeB :

Salamon, I agree with almost everything you post (as usual...it's depressing and makes for lousy debates on issues), except I do think that the coming economic collapse will be fatal. I have no love nor trst for India nor for outsourcing and thin that would be even more of a disaster. I am a Jeffersonian liberal and believe that good old fashioned free enterprise would bring the cost of health care down to affordable levels. Right now the U.S. spends 9% of GNP on health care while the rest of the industrialized world spends around 3%. This is because our government leaders from both parties refuse to enact legislation that would even allow for competition between pharaceutical companies and other vendors. The HMO model would work very well on a national level, as it has in Scandinavian countries. But money plays far too large a picture in this country and controls our political processes and I do not expect anything to be done as we slide into that long night.

Dave! :

Salamon,
Your last post was too long before you got to your list. It seems that the gist of it is that you think:
1) The Federal government should take care of all its citizens making sure nobody feels the results of their bad choices or risks that did not pan out. To accomplish this, government programs will be set up or expanded and patterned after the current successful, efficient government programs (whatever those are).
2) The government should take the money generated from the productive segment of society and give it to the "proper" political segment of unproductive people.
3) Cut the one thing the Constitution says the government is supposed to fund (the military).

I'd just prefer if the government would let me take care of myself and keep its hands out of my pockets. I'll do my part by taking care of myself, my family and friends and helping out in my community.

Salamon :

MikeB:

Do not despair, the USA's economic outlook is worrysome, to be sure, but far from fatal.

We in Canada went through this insane government debt issue, the readjustment was painful [especially for the lower classes, including our family] but managable.

With respect to military secrets being stolen by "others" - presumed to be enemies; it is perhaps just as well for the well being of the WORLD. IF the "other" can come up with defences against new USA armaments, then the USA has no edge, therefore will not start a war [attacking "defenceless" nations as Grenada, Panama, Afganistan, IRaq -esp after 10 years of SANCTIONS; is the modus operandi of the USA].


Possible "restructuring of the USA Economy" after the certain crash [year or two, or tomorrow] might involve the following:

1., National Single Player MEDICARE - saves approx 20-25% of present expenditure, though painful for insurance companies [and the outsourced data maintenenace in India] Saving in the neighbourhood of 400-500 billon per year - free for other measures [infrastructure construction to lower problems of transport due to reduction necessary in fuel use -- pl. read http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/magazine/20Curitiba-t.html?ref=magazine with respect to efficient city mass transit

2./, Cut in defence, defence industry etc -- the industry can be transformed to peaceful uses, eg has the knowledge of efficient and safe NUCLEAR POWER - to be used for power generation, etc.

3., Raise taxes on income over $150 -200 000 HIGH, though not necesserily as high as during WWII [when it was 90%]. Use funds to rebuild the slums of USA's big cities, to make decent housing affordable for the working stiff - and other "harmonious" -a.k.a. Chinese plan, social measures].

4., Use % of "efficiency gains in 1-3 above" to reduce FEDERAL DEBT. Consistent with this point pass legislation that the Federal Reserve can not print money to save investors from bubbles, the Federal treasury for deficit [except if USA is attacked by another State].

5., Make sure that there can be no cut in EDUCATION, SOCIAL WELFARE, PENSION etc as far as it affects the bottom 50% of the population.

6., A national effort [all states and Federal in unity] to establish "German/Japanese/Scandinavian VOCATIONAL EDUCATION IN SENIOR HIGH SCHOOLS" to cut down on drop-out rate and to help those students who do not have interest in ACADEMIC EDUCATION. Will cost money, but will benefit the nation greatly in the long run.

There are other ideas, but this post is already too long.

GL

Anonymous :

Bush's warmongering spoke to something deep in our national psyche. The emotional force behind America's support for the Iraq war, the molten core of an angry, resentful patriotism, is still too hot for Congress, the media and even many Americans who oppose the war, to confront directly. It's a national myth. It's John Wayne. To impeach Bush would force us to directly confront our national core of violent self-righteousness -- come to terms with it, understand it and reject it. And we're not ready to do that.

"The truth is that Bush's high crimes and misdemeanors, far from being too small, are too great. What has saved Bush is the fact that his lies were, literally, a matter of life and death. They were about war. And they were sanctified by 9/11. Bush tapped into a deep American strain of fearful, reflexive bellicosity, which Congress and the media went along with for a long time and which has remained largely unexamined to this day. Congress, the media and most of the American people have yet to turn decisively against Bush because to do so would be to turn against some part of themselves."

MikeB :

MATTE - Don't hold your breath, if you're waiting for the rest of the world to bail us out or worry as we sink. Europe's economies are going gangbusters and China has been dumping their dollars as fast as they can. I cannot believe that American's are so stupid as not ignore the foreign press...or get their tidbits of it via links on ther Drudge Report. The mainstream European and Asian press has daily features about the failing U.S. economy. Their worry isn't about us crashing, they are certain we will. No, their worry is how rapidly they can disconnect from us so that our crash will have minimal impact on them. That is why the Germans cut and dumped Crysler and similar disengagements are occurring in virtually every other sector of the economy. To be sure, the mindless consumer spending of Amercian's will hurt, but the rest of the world will go on very nicely with us in the dumper..just as it it did when Japan underwent a similar but nowhere near as disasterous collapse since the mid 1980's. We're in trouble and spouting Wite House economic advisor nonsense isn't going to fix it. What is needed is an end to the sorts of disasterous policies these incompetent fanatics have foisted off on us. And, it isn't just Bush to blame for this fiasco. The Clintons were the first ones on this neocon globalization bandwagon and the cheerleaders on this train wreck are Democrats like Richardson, Dodd, Hillary, Conyers, Kennedy, and Obama. Their nsane plans to dump 12 million newly legalized Mexican workers on the economy is just might make this disaster fatal.

MATTE :

dollarcrash: I was too lazy to read if anyone has responded to your post, but it is a cursory and uninformed look at the Chinese situation to say it has been unpegged from the dollar. It is officially unpegged, but in actuality remains pegged with a fluctuation of .25% i believe. China's currency is still for all intents and purposes pegged to the US, but is allowed to shift slightly to make up for any daily issues/problems that may arise. The US is not headed for a HUGE depression. that is one of those ideas that has been tossed around by second rate economists and people like you who pick up a few talking points you heard on the radio or read in the paper and suddenly you think you can accurately predict market trends...newsflash...whether or not anyone in the world is pegged to the US dollar, any depression in the US will be felt 10-fold in EVERY other country in the world.. so i'd stop hopnig for it if i were you.

Olivier Laurent :

What are the most succesful songs worldwide?
What are the blockbusters movies these days in Asia?
What are the bestsellers books worldwide?
What is the favorite fast food in Europe these days?
And the list goes on.

When you see how succesful the American culture is worldwide. I have difficulties to accept that anti-americanism is such a problem.

I live in Europe. I love the American culture, it is even part of my daily life. The real problem is purely politic.

MikeB :

Salamon - And I enjoy your thoughtful posts, too. I do not think I misunderstood TB's post, however. He was attempting to disaparage the U.S. as a violent culture and it simply is not. To be sure, Bush and his lunatics have done us so much harm, that it will take years to undo the damage. My U.S. doesn't torture people, it doesn't lock people up indefinitely without charges, it doesn't murder innocent women and children, and it doesn't sponsor corporation that run about, looting the world and wrecking havoc and visiting evil upon others without very good reason. Bush and company were very adept at using the media to foster fear and paranoia with the soccer mom and NASCAR crowd and gained their temporary support for their wholesale discarding of normal Amercian values. But it has been done and great evil has been unleashed and I do not even pretend to know how we will ever make amends for it.

What is especially sad, however, is the unrecognized diaster Bush's economic policies will visit upon this country. Perhaps that is the p8nishment that awaits this country for permitting he and his henchmen to control power. Their "free trade" policies have resulted in the complete lose of Amercian technical superiority. We have even exported or permitted to be stolen, our most critical defense technologies. The U.S. dollar is so weak, even those that feed upon the carrion of U.S. consumers, are taking whatever money they get and converting it to Euro's and other more stable currancies. Once the twin winds of Bush's postponed war debt and oil prices pegged to the Euro sweep this country, our economy will disintigrate; foreign investment that props up our national and personal debt will exit and ranaway inflation and a dangerously falling dollar will wreck this country. I do not know if we can or will survive this. I think not, but even if we can recover, it will not be in our lifetimes. Weep for the shining light that once was American being extinguished.

Caspar, Arcata, CA :

A perfect storm of comments today. Some actually on the subject, but most way too long. Do try to remember that the probability that a comment will be read by anybody - except perhaps its author - is inversely proportional to the square of its length.

I've traveled some, not a lot, but some, and I read the European press frequently, and I do not see or hear much "anti-Americanism". There is, no doubt lots of it in the Muslim world but thats hardly to be wondered at given our - Republican or DEmocrat - knee-jerk support of Israel, but not a lot among europeans. They don't hate America. They hate Bush. But so do we!

Salamon :

Interesting take on terrorism vs resistance:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IE24Ak03.html

AMviennaVA :

Joe Schmo: I agree that who is the leader of a country is an internal matter for that country. But with our constant talk of 'regime change', I believe, that we have opened the door. After all, if we can advocate regime change there, they can advocate regime change here.

But then again you are complaining about people who only say that they do not like Bush's policies. Perhaps you should have been particularly incensed when Cheney was talking about 'Old Europe' and the like.

Tom Wonacott :

BobL

You mean Salamon. I have already answered his question of what is terrorism in the last PG question. How many times do you want me to define terrorism? I have also previously stated that Israel has committed many acts of terrorism against the Palestinians (last PG question).

Also, reread my post. This is what I stated:

"...Israel responds with their typical barrage of bombs that always results in Hamas and civilian deaths which always greatly outnumber Israeli casualties..."

I guess, if I am reading your post correctly, it's OK if Hamas fires Qassam rockets all over Israel especially while Israel is in the process of looking at a peace proposal. To me, there are two possibilities:

1. Hamas must have the dumbest leadership in the world or,

2. they are not interested in peace.

The most likely is choice number two, since their charter calls for Israel's destruction.

"Are you getting paid to write these posts or are you volunteering for the RNC or another conservative group? If this is the case, which I highly suspect, be honest and tell us. That way we don't have to waste time reading your posts..."

Paid to write on Washington PostGlobal? I wish, but what a waste of money to try to push the RNC agenda on this sight. When have I denied that I am a Republican? Oh, it might be politically correct to say that I am an "independent", and that sure would be awfully easy, but given where the Dems stand on most issues (not all), I support the Republican Party. OK?

Hamas gunned down the children of a Fatah leader they were trying to kill (but couldn't find). I've posted it before, and will post it again whenever it's necessary to remind people why Hamas is a terrorist organization. I think it's interesting that you believe I am over the top considering they have been targeting and killing children and pregnant women for years. I apologize if the truth seems over the top.

"...However, my personal favorite was when you responded with a pro-Israeli group running a bogus opinion poll showing most Americans favor Israel. I think I liked this one the best. Since when did you care about opinion polls? Your fearless leader (Bush) is at the bottom of every opinion poll taken in this country and you have the audacity to pick a tainted poll to further your agenda. That's intellectual dishonesty at best..."


I guarantee that I don't want to use a "tainted" poll to make a point and if you would just give me something else other than your opinion that the poll is biased, then I will be more than happy to take back what I posted, but just for your information, the US, in general, is a pro Israel group.

Agenda does sound like I am being paid by the RNC. I would love for the RNC to pay me to write on this site, but until they do, "point" is more accurate.

Thanks for the scathing post.

Joe Schmo :

To All,

Today, it is very popular to be anti-American and especially anti-George Bush. The two things are only somewhat related, but one provides a more socially acceptable excuse for the other. It doesn't change the fact that both are clearly wrong.

First, the person elected president or leader of any country is a matter of the internal politics of that country, and although it may impact other countries, they still should keep their mouths shut about it. After all, that is the polite thing to do, and you never know when the favor may be repaid. A democratic community, and I'm talking about the world here, should learn to accept differences and to be more tolerant of those they differ with. If you want America to accept you as you are, and to respect you as you are, then perhaps you should begin by doing so with us.

Second, the issue with anti-Americanism is more related to economics and overall power than anything else. Call it a quirk of history, or the result of unreasonable luck, or divine blessing, or whatever, but the reality is that the US is strong and wealthy, and the subject of a great deal of envy around the world. Also, if a particular country wants to do something, either good or bad, there is a strong probability that the US will ultimately be involved and that means having to deal with Americans. I can understand how this might get frustrating after a while, but it is what it is. We can't change it and neither can you, short of a world disaster. Suck it up and deal with it in a postive way.

Next, it is important to realize that Americans are going to do what is in the best interest of Americans, first. Don't confuse our natural altruism with either stupidity or weakness. And don't be surprised when you can't play us for the fool, or when we respond forcefully to your arrogant behavior toward us. We're not your puppets and we don't owe you anything at all. Grow up and quit complaining about one of the nicest peoples/countries on the face of the planet.

Finally, if you don't like Americans or who we are, or our way of living or thinking, then I invite you to leave us alone. Avoid us. Go away. Go mind your own business. But don't complain to us about how miserable your existence is, nor how lonely it is on your side of the field. Don't use America as a scapegoat for your stupidity and misery. And most of all, don't threaten us, nor come running to us for help.

Joe Schmo

Merhi Merhi :

As a Lebanese, I am always careful to distinguish between American foreign policy in the Middle East, and the American people.

We have no grudges against the American people. Many of us are graduates of the American University of Beirut, where we learnt and experienced firsthand the true values of democracy, tolerance, diversity, secularism, and freedom of expression. Indeed, some of the most successful men and women in our community are a breed of American culture. Most of us would love to visit and spend time working or studying in the USA.

When Arabs speak out against Americans,they are usually attacking American foreign policy in the Middle East.

First, I would like to begin by telling the Arab world to stop blaming the US and Israel for their state failures. It is time for our governments to take responsibilty. It is time for our politicians to unify their ranks and build stable democractic regimes without foreign intervention. It is time for the youth to play a role in shaping the future.

As a super world power that exerts much influence in the region, the USA must also take responsibility.

The US support for Israel's disproportionate attack on Lebanon last year, left us with a country in ruins, political stalemate between the government on one hand and Hezbollah supporters on the other, thousands of civilians dead and security challenges that continue to have repercussions for the region as a whole.

The attack on army soldiers by Fateh el Islam outside Nahr el-Bared camp three days ago is very disappointing. Innocent civilians and army soldiers pay the price for regional agendas developed by terrorits to fight non-Lebanese wars on Lebanese soil.

THe US will not save Lebanon by sending troops to Lebanon. Have they learnt nothing from Iraq?
By strongly and publicly supporting the government of Siniora, they are actually bringing about the downfall of this government thats is already seen as pro-American and Israeli.

The US must leave the people of the Middle East to fight their own battles; develop their own versions of democracy; and build their own futures.

From Iraq to Iran to Syria to Lebanon... How much worse off could we possibly be???

By now we should have all learned that recourse to violence can lead only to destruction and death, and that the destruction of the ‘other’ will only lead to the destruction of oneself.

We should have no doubt that Christians and Moslems, we are bound together for better and for worse by the same destiny.


Dave :

It's a sad commentary on the state of our international affairs when we continually choose to intervene in the government and politics of other countries when it is neither indicated nor wanted by them. The invasive imposition of our will on the world is the crux of the issue. We should be more concerned with matters at home and less compelled to mind the affairs of international neighbors, particularly when it has become painfully obvious that our intelligence gathering mechanisms prefer to manufacture rather than obtain a complete set of facts prior to an action.

PiperD :

All empires fall someday. Bigger the empire, harder it falls. Americans have no one to blame but themselves for allowing their "elected" governments to commit crimes around the world for decades if not for centuries. Bush is just finishing the job now. Mission accomplished. He ruined United States of America to the point of no return.

BobL-VA :

Tom Wonacott,

Are you getting paid to write these posts or are you volunteering for the RNC or another conservative group? If this is the case, which I highly suspect, be honest and tell us. That way we don't have to waste time reading your posts.

MikeB asked you a simple question. He asked you to define terrorism/terrorists. Not only didn't you respond to his question you replied with totally fallacious arguments. Case in point, you wrote:

"Can you imagine living under Islamic rule where if you don't like your political opponents, you gun down their children?"

A little over the top, don't you think? The point is MikeB doesn't have to worry about what it's like to live in the ME because he doesn't. That is unless you are trying to infer the dreaded "Islamo-Facist Terrorists," which you have have been unable to define up to this point, are going to invade the US.

However, my personal favorite was when you responded with a pro-Israeli group running a bogus opinion poll showing most Americans favor Israel. I think I liked this one the best. Since when did you care about opinion polls? Your fearless leader (Bush) is at the bottom of every opinion poll taken in this country and you have the audacity to pick a tainted poll to further your agenda. That's intellectual dishonesty at best. One one hand you dismiss Bush's poor ratings and on the other the best you can come up with is polls by QUPI and GQR?

608 days left in the Bush/Cheney failed administration and counting. Thank God.


America :

Alot of the world does not hate America - in fact they love America - and envy America - many would do almost anything to become citizens.

However, many Anti-Americanists - lack ethics, and integrity and honesty - in fact I believe that many Africans interact with some Americans to rob us of any kind of dignity..

The case in point is Southern Africa - many Africanse in Southern Africa have very little respect for truth and justice - Southern Africanse have wielde racial epithets and gotten away with it. Fred M'membe the Editor of the POst Newspaper, has gotten away with his paper calling the ancestors of Black Americans "monkeys"

Zambians - Like the Idea of Black American women as "wenches" and slavery products. They are threatened by Educated, black American women - and have sought to prey upon and exploit these women.

Other Africans in Southern Africa - particularly South Africa - and part of the Southern African Government have defended African bigots in Southern Africa.

So what I have found is that anti-americanism is alot of rhetoric - but at the end of the day, many in Southern Africa deeply admire the white man - one makes one wonder what was their independence and freedom struggles really about ? To come to America, and have the white man give you and job and tell you that he likes you better than the the "locals"?

President Mwanawasa and his Wife and fueled bigotry and antiamericanism and racism against black Americans - and have suported Lucy Sichone who referred to black Americans' ancestors as "monkeys" taken to the West by Colonialists.

Tom Wonacott :

Salamon

This latest round of violence is so clearly the fault of Hamas (and Islamic Jihad) that no one has even condemned Israel yet.

While the Arab League applies diplomatic pressure on Israel to accept the Arab Peace Initiative, Hamas gives Israel an out by firing Qassam rockets into Siderot over the past several months until Israel responds with their typical barrage of bombs that always results in Hamas and civilian deaths which always greatly outnumber Israeli casualties. In affect, Hamas has undermined the Arab Peace Initiative and, clearly, by design. We all know who gives Hamas their financing, training and orders - Iran.

Of course, Hamas's charter calls for the destruction of Israel and just like you, they want a single state solution. Can you imagine living under Islamic rule where if you don't like your political opponents, you gun down their children?

American support of Israel:

1. "...The US House of Representatives authorized a sum of 205 million dollars for financing joint US-Israel missile defense system projects, Israel Radio reported early Saturday morning..."

These are being developed to counter Iranian ballistic missiles.

2. Polling conducted after Israeli war in Lebanon

"High Opinion: Polls Find Strong American Public Support for Israel in Wake of Lebanon War
9/25/2006
Israel's standing in the United States has improved following the recent war in Lebanon, according to two polls-one by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research (GQR), and the other by Quinnipiac University Polling Institute (QUPI).
According to GQR's poll, 53 percent of respondents considered themselves supporters or strong supporters of Israel. Only five percent said they were supporters or strong supporters of the Palestinians. GQR's Stan Greenberg said his findings showed that Israel's disengagement from Gaza and the Lebanon war brought Israel increased support from the American public. He said that since the withdrawal from Gaza, people believed that Israel was more willing to make sacrifices to advance peace than were the Palestinians or their leaders.
The GQR poll also showed that the war in Lebanon focused attention on the connection between Hizballah and Iran, the terrorist army's chief state sponsor. Only 38 percent of Americans were aware of the link during the first week of the war, in contrast to 53 percent after the fighting ended.
Most significantly, Greenberg said, there was an increased awareness that Islamic extremism, not the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, is the source of instability in the Middle East. In the United States, 63 percent of respondents said that Islamic extremism is to blame for the region's instability, while only 15 percent blamed Israel.
QUPI also concluded that the recent conflict between Israel and Hizballah deepened already strong American support for the Jewish state. Completed shortly after the end of the Lebanon war, the QUPI poll asked respondents to rate countries on a "friend versus foe" scale of 1 to 100. Israel received an average score of 65.9, placing it third among the nations tested.
The GQR and QUPI surveys are not exceptional. U.S. polls have consistently found strong support for Israel, and that Americans across a range of demographic groups identify with the Jewish state."

American support of Israel will never diminish as long as terrorism is the preferred method to move Israel either back to the 1967 border or to destroy the Jewish State (single state solution).


Salamon :

MikeB :

"I pretty sure it passed everyone notice. It sure did mine. But this moron TB posted an aside that sums up very nicely how anti-Amercianism (and, incidently, ignorance and bigotry function everywhere): "...And one irrelevant tip - you’re more likely to be killed by a criminal in the U.S. then a terrorist from another country..."

I think you have erred in analysing this quotation. The same idea was expressed by Mr. Zbigniew Brzezinski Advisor to Kennedy and Johston administration.

the central point of the above's ideas is that Mr. Bush and Co. have managed to increase the insecurity of many USA citizens by constasnt yapping of TERROR and YELLOW & RED ALERTS before the elections. The Argument is Valid:

Total killed by terrorism within the USA's 50 States is below 3000 in the last 20 years. The number of Murders in the same period is far larger. Probably the carnage on the roads of USA in the same period exceed 500 000 [in 20 years]. YET THERE IS NO CHANGE IN ROAD SAFETY, no political fuss.

Though I mostly enjoy your posts this time you erred, no doubt you will not repeat the same error.

Hoop Man :

Next time your hear stories of why people hate America, please cite this story, at least 100,000 times.

I am a Somali immigrant who came to the US on Wednesday, August 14, 1985 at JFK Airport in New York City. I was driven and I had three very simple dreams: (1) attend college, (2) play pick-up basketball games, and (3) go back to Somalia and show off the basketball moves picked up from US’s playgrounds. I did the first two and but never the last one—going back to Somalia and showing off my basketball moves. Although more than two decades had past, I still dream of my idyllic neighborhoods and how I could never go home again.

I put myself through college by mowing grass at my University, collecting trash from parking lots, washing dishes at Roy Rogers, Hardees, Bobs Big Boy, etc. and now I am a US citizen with three kids and a million dollar home. Proud and grateful not only becaue of what I had achieved, but of who made it possible, besides God Allmighty.

US allowed me to stay and also helped the rest of my family (three brothers, four sisters, and my parents) join me as refugees being resettled into the US. No other countries—not the African countries, not the Arab countries did that. All my brothers and sisters who had been resettled are all US citizens and their gratefulness to US is unmatched.

While my “Hoop Dreams” will never be realized, one thing is certain. This country was there for my family and me in our time of need. Now cite this story 100,000 times for all the Somali refugees that have been resettled to America from Somalia. No other country did that. Or cite for all the immigrants from all over the world.

Holding aside political grievances, this country, by and large, has done more to help the downtrodden of the world than any other country. Of course, it has its social troubles and skeletons in the closet. Of course, its reputation has been sullied and all its prior good deeds have been clouded by the recent events, but it is not fair to judge a whole nation by just recent events. We have to look at the totality of things and how it scores on it. On that scale, the US is second to none.

Now, this county is as much of my mine as those who came on the Mayflower and it is incumbent upon us to see to it that we spread the ideals that made it great and not let bunch of zealots who have myopic agendas of their own high jack it.

MikeB :

daniel -'...we still lack the artist {here} in the New World....' Was that a quote from Mark Twain or Edger Allen Poe or Oscar Wilde or Hemingway? Or, perhaps something once said by the most collectable modern artist in the world today, Jackson Pollack or Frank Lloyd Wright or Cass Gilbert or O'Keeffe or Remington or Whistler? Or, perhaps it was something an American bumpkin like Edison or Morse or Franklin said? Or, some of our embarrasing political writers like Thomas Jefferson or Jame Monroe or Lincoln said? I am being cynical here, but the fact is, this country has produced more exceptional artists and writers in the last 200 years than the rest of the world combined.

daniel :

I am an American and I would like to address a misconception people seem to have about America. In addressing this misconception I would like to also point out a big problem about America which however the rest of the world seems totally ignorant of and must address if serious about world peace.

The misconception (despite all evidence to the contrary) the rest of the world seems to have about America is that it is some sort of arrogant, all consuming, monolithic beast as if a single people run amok at the expense of all the rest of the world's inhabitants.

The truth is more that the U.S. is composed of a great many people of different racial, ethnic and religious background. In fact taking white people alone I believe there are more people of German descent than English. The point is the U.S. has been struggling to create something new out of precisely virtually all the rest of the world now criticizing America. America has been a project toward resolving racial, ethnic, religious, etc. differences. I just wish people would feel it their duty to marry a person of another race, religion, etc. and close differences as soon and as cleanly as possible.

Along with the above--and in fact extremely necessary for it to be successful--we have separation of church and state, democracy, a meritocratic society in which we strive to get at various talents people bring to the nation and put them into operation. We seek identity above traditional notions of identity.

But a very grave problem is that in putting racial, ethnic, religious, etc. differences aside and striving for some type of new path to identification we have wandered into overconsumption, frivolity, etc. to make up for the loss of traditional notions of identity. We are not overconsuming so much because we are pigs (in fact we are something of all the rest of you dear world!) but overconsuming to fill the void of loss of tradition in our lives and in our struggle to create a new world, one beyond race, religion, ethnic struggle, etc.

And the big question is if America were to fail...What would the rest of the world do to resolve all the ethnic, religious, racial differences, etc.? In fact in criticizing America there is no getting around the question of well what world in the absence of America?

To be absolutely clear, if America were to disappear now, how can the rest of the world not pass through what America is now experiencing and struggling with?

Instead of criticizing us the rest of the world should be studying exactly what we have been doing (it is not arrogant to ask that. It is not arrogant to ask the rest of the world to seriously examine the greatest power of the time). Somehow though the rest of the world seems to think we are a nation exactly like any one of them except somehow a little stronger. Not exactly. We are something of a point of fusion in the world--a meeting place and fusing of race, religion, ethnic group, etc.

If this point of fusion does not exist here on the North American continent, then where?

Recently I listened to some Elvis Presley and Little Richard and enjoyed immensely clear evidence of the possibility of a new world beyond the starkest differences. And they existed fifty years ago--the recordings I listened to were fifty years old. And here we are now...and has any other place in the world made such a jump in bridging race, religion, ethnic group?

The question is of the bridge with a minumum of violence--and this is imperative as weapons just seem to be getting more and more powerful. Somehow crossing the bridge without using weapons and overconsuming...But I have just described something of an artistic and scientific imperative--culture creating power.

We still lack the artists of the new world....

Bill B :

How appropriate that the Washington Post is fostering discussions on Anti-Americanism...This is the kind of thing they revel in....If its anti-american...its ok with the Post.

Vijay :

I think it's naive to think that the current wave of anti-Americanism is purely because of Bush and his policies. There's no doubt that his administration precipitated these feelings but our double-standards in the middle-east (one one hand cozy with the Saudi/Kuwaiti Royal Families for oil and on the other with Israel for the money and power that the Jewish lobby wields in Washington) have been causing the tension to simmer for many years now. We turn a blind eye towards the fundamentalist social policies that the Saudis have in their own country and then turn around and condemn honor-killing in Iraq. No wonder nobody trusts America in the middle-east or pretty outside of NATO. There seems to be no long-term principles or pillars upon which American Foreign policy is built. Each administration pretty much does what it think is right.
Any time we have taken sides in wars in Islamic countries, it has come back to bite us. Afghanistan where we once supported the Taliban to fight against the Russians, Iraq - whom we supported in their fight against Iran, Lebanon - where we supported the fight against Hezbollah/Syria ; they all have come back to haunt us. It's time we stayed out of these conflicts and started to play a purely negotiating rule (see Norwegians in Sri Lanka).
And Oh, by the way - Take realistic and concrete steps to reduce our dependence on middle-East oil. That's really the only way to build any credibility out there.

MikeB :

I pretty sure it passed everyone notice. It sure did mine. But this moron TB posted an aside that sums up very nicely how anti-Amercianism (and, incidently, ignorance and bigotry function everywhere): "...And one irrelevant tip - you’re more likely to be killed by a criminal in the U.S. then a terrorist from another country..."

Now, what on earth is that supposed to mean? In the U.K. some twits blew themselves up and killed what? 20 people. In tiny Luxembourg 159 people died from homocides the same year. So, should we note that "..."...you’re more likely to be killed by a criminal in Luxembourg than a terrorist from another country...". Just stupid...and ignorant beyond belief, a blatent and transparent attempt to mislead and to foster ignorance and hatred. TB is the sort of igorant and bigoted swine that is riding some "political cause" that they believe justifies their lies.

A couple quick fact, that will not persuade any of the ignorant clodhoppers who choose to hate Amercia, but they facts nonetheless: The U.S. doesn't even make the top 20 list of Western countries for violent crime in terms of percentage. That "honor" belongs to England with a rate that is three times high than the U.S. Neither does the U.S. have the highest homocide or suicide rate. Again, it doesn't even make the top ten for "civilized" Western countries. The highest suicide rates are in the Baltic countries, followed by the Scandinavian countries. The U.S. is dead last on the list. For homocides, Denmark and Sweden have HIGHER homocide rates (so does CANADA!) and it is rather difficult to interpret the statistics published by the British Home Office in this regard becasue they don't classify nor publish homocides using the same statistical basis we do. The U.S. rolls police shootings, certain categories of automobile accidents, and actual "muders" into our homocide rates...7.3 per 100,000, while countries like Germany and France do not. We can make a pretty good stab at it, though, by using the Department Of Justise figures and rolling into those figures the excluded statistics for automotive, police, and other homocides and we get....a homocide rate in Framce that is 7.9 per 100,000 and a German rate that is 8.0 per 100,000.

None of this is meant to do more than point out that homocides, violent crime, suicide, and the like, appear to have underlying social causes and remain constant in spite of legislative or psychological remedies. Do not go tossing around the ignorant and just plain wrong notion that the U.S. is a violent country. It is not and the repeated nonsense that it is is nothing more than bigoted igorance spread widely. You are as safe in the U.S. as you would be anywhere in Europe. On the other hanbd, if you feel the need to be mugged, head for the inner city in New York or Chicago or the *suburbs* (where desparate minorities are housed in Europe) of Paris or London or Gothenberg.

Reinhard, Germany :

Before you ask whether anti-americanism is still rising, you have to say, what you would call
anti-americanism ?
Is it anti-americanism,
- when you don't stop thinking and when you come to different conclusions ?
- when you don't think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are the proper answer to 9/11 ?
- when you don't believe the Bush admin is really representing all of America ?
If yes anti-americanism is worldwide at top levels and will be unless the american politics is changed completely.
But would you stop calling a friend a friend, simply because he/she has different opinions
about some things ?

frank collins :

if your people hate america so much why do they want to come here? doubt the truth of that - tell them that they can get a free ticket to america and citizenship and watch the line form.

dollarcrash :

recently the dollar has dropped 5% vs the euro and pound in only 3 months. china and kuwait are no longer pegging their currency to the dollar and are planning on diversifying their foreign currency reserves. the gig is up for the american dollar and we are headed toward a major depression. the corporate dictatorship which has ruled america through washington has stopped cold any policies that would make a america a less consumerist more efficient country. that spending has resulted in astounding debt that will crush our credit, our buying power, and our economic production all lowering our quality of life. the iraq war and terrorism served these corporations as a 4 year distraction from our fundamental problem.

Anonymous :

Zoltan :

You may have thrown those things around at a bar with your semi-intellectual friends..claiming that American capitalism and the military industrial complex has destroyed the world, but there was MASS destruction and death before the US, and there has actually been a steady world-wide rise in life expectancy since the US was founded. You might want to ask a person from South Korea if they would rather the US never stepped in, and they would rather have Kim Jong Il as their president before you decry our actions as illegal or wrong. You should also ask why our military has bases in (NOT 130 countries by the way) other nations, maybe because we were asked to remain in Germany when they were scared the Russians would roll over them from 1950 - 1991, or that someone would take Japan after they surrendered post-WWII..your comments are uninformed and the worst kind of ignorance, that of a pseudo-intellectual who points to Microsoft and McDonalds as the root of all evil, when in fact Microsoft and its founder do more good than you at your computer could ever hope to.

Salamon :

TOM W:

Notwithstanding your professed support for the invasion of Iraq, the USA has no business either invading a sovereign state, nor occupying the same, nor installing puppet regimes therein.

Whether it is Sadr, or someone else, there would be always a leader who could lead the forces against occupation - assissinating one while setting up "peace meeting" [unsuccesful assissination attempt] would just cause another to arise.

You as a great supporter of Israel's inhumanity to Palestinians should know this well, for notwithstanding numerous targeted assissinations versus numerous Palestinians of various sects, various military alliences, neither the security of Israel, nor the military resistance to Israel has improved one iota in the last 50 odd years. After all it was just last week that Israel tried to assissinate a meber of the Hamas "parliament" and succeeded in killing his dad and seven other non-politicians. SUCH EVENT OF INTENTIONALLY KILLING CIVILIANS IS TERRORISM ACCORDING TO YOUR PREVIOUS POSTING [re Iraqis]

So pray tell what is the difference between the Israeli Government and the Sunni Terrorist aside form their nationality [Or President Reagan when he tried to Assissinate the President of Lybia, succeeding in killibg his infant -baby - offspring??

This is a very important issue, so no doubt you will clarify what is terrism vis-a-vis all the above named actors.

American :

This racism and anti-americanism is quite selective. Let's take Thabo Mbeki - from South Africa - he even engaged in it - when he made racist comments about HIV/AIDS in the West - he stated that this was a disease of white homosexuals when he knew full well, that this disease disproportionately affects black people in the US.

The extent that some Africans will go to dehumanize black Americans - insist that we are inferior merely because we descend from enslaved Africans - and then to spin the story around and blame the Victim. Is very disgusting.

One must ask, why does not the whole southern African region critique Editors like Fred M'membe who have called the ancestors of black americans - "monkeys".

If you notice - Fred M'membe and many Africans support white Americans - and Westerners and insteitutions - such as the Catholic Church and the Pope - and Adventist Folkenburg - even if these people are crooked - yet they will seek you out to dehumanize you.

In my view - being approached by many of these people is very dehumanizing.

Zambians have referred to black Americans as "slavery products" and "wenches" - and they have celebrated some of the most disgusting, persons with ill motives.

Envy is what drives anti-americanism in Africa - 9 times out of 10 - Many Africans will support white Americanism and will support racism against Black Americans.

THe extent of the AIDS epidemic in Africa and corruption is also routed in their ideas about slavery, black America, and integrity.

When you have presidents such as Zambian Mwanawasa and his wife spreading racism against black America and celebrating their own citizens who refer to black Americans as "monkeys" - this is very disgusting and indefensible.

Of course many institutions such as the adventist church support this type of Anti-Americanism which is kind of neocolonial. They did it Rwanda and they are still doing it.

American :

I find that Anti-"Americanism" is quite fickle - especially in Africa. Africans are anti-black american but they are pro- White Supremacist.

For example, many Africans are very racist - and interact with Black Americans for the sole purpose of pulling these people down to their level.

Zambians in the Adventist church and outside of it - have referred to black merican women as "wenches".

Fred M'membe - the Editor of the Post Newspaper had a journalist - Lucy Sichone who referred to the ancetors of black Amerians as "monkeys" taken to the West by colonialists. Zambians now laud Lucy Sichone as does the Zambian President and his wife.

Many Africans are very racist - and they seek black Americans out - for the sole purpose of tearing at our dignity.

For a long time - now - in their media - Africans insiniuate that black Americans have an inferior culture and are inferior because black Americans descend from enslaved persons.

Meanwhile, Zambians and other Africans - seek to form alliances with white persons who oppress black Americans.

It is a fickle anti-Americanism.

For example, Zambians have estolled Slaveowing George Washington - while meanwhile denigrating black Americans as "wenches".

Many of these anti-Americanists are disgusting people. I find many Zambians and their African supporters to be very disgusting in their racism and their vulgarity.

They almost have a trashiness about them which allows them to call black American women "wenches" and to seek them out to exploit them.

American :

I find that Anti-"Americanism" is quite fickle - especially in Africa. Africans are anti-black american but they are pro- White Supremacist.

For example, many Africans are very racist - and interact with Black Americans for the sole purpose of pulling these people down to their level.

Zambians in the Adventist church and outside of it - have referred to black merican women as "wenches".

Fred M'membe - the Editor of the Post Newspaper had a journalist - Lucy Sichone who referred to the ancetors of black Amerians as "monkeys" taken to the West by colonialists. Zambians now laud Lucy Sichone as does the Zambian President and his wife.

Many Africans are very racist - and they seek black Americans out - for the sole purpose of tearing at our dignity.

For a long time - now - in their media - Africans insiniuate that black Americans have an inferior culture and are inferior because black Americans descend from enslaved persons.

Meanwhile, Zambians and other Africans - seek to form alliances with white persons who oppress black Americans.

It is a fickle anti-Americanism.

For example, Zambians have estolled Slaveowing George Washington - while meanwhile denigrating black Americans as "wenches".

Many of these anti-Americanists are disgusting people. I find many Zambians and their African supporters to be very disgusting in their racism and their vulgarity.

They almost have a trashiness about them which allows them to call black American women "wenches" and to seek them out to exploit them.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT :

“The Roots of Violence:
Wealth without work,
Pleasure without conscience,
Knowledge without character,
Commerce without morality,
Science without humanity,
Worship without sacrifice,
Politics without principles” (Gandhi)

BobL-VA :

Jim Hill,

Easy answer. I'm astonished after your well written post the answer wasn't obvious to you. We (the US) have no history of peace. Hence, if you want peace I suggest you move to Sweden or Switzerland. As you so aptly noted it really isn't fare that selfless Americans should die for other people while expecting nothing in return. If you explain this view to the Swedes they may allow you immigrate. However, I'm not sure the Swiss will as they have tighter immigration controls. Good luck in the land of the midnight sun. I hope you find the peace you seek.

Zoltan :

Jim Hill: "What I would love someone from outside my nation to explain to me is ..."

You cite WW1 and WW2 as nice contributions to the world, but what about Vietnam, Korea, Pinochet, the Shah of Iran, Guantanamo, Nicaragua, genetically modified food, McDonalds, Micro$oft, patented drugs against AIDS, farm subsidies (yes, we have them here too, I'm against them), Israel/Palestine, unlimited printing of $$$ when others have to WORK for it, 25% of the world pollution with 5% of the population, military bases in 130 countries,...

Does this help ? You might also want to read the excellent post of "dumb american".

Anonymous :

"And one irrelevant tip - you’re more likely to be killed by a criminal in the U.S. then a terrorist from another country. Now that's a very, very sad state of affairs!"

What, are you a terrorist? Why is it sad that crime outdoes terrorism? I imagine that that's true in almost every country on the planet, and pretty damn close even in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Peter :

It is very simple. When Americans elect an idiot he can destroy the future for me and my children. As a non-American I have no vote. The one place I might have some influence is the UN which is routinely undermined and disparged by the USA. The rest of the World feels helpless and that breeds hate!

James Farley :

Who cares?

Find something relevant to spend your time and money on.

Jim Hill :

I have seen and understand that Americans can act stupid and ignorant in all corners of the world. What I would love someone from outside my nation to explain to me is how this hatred toward us is justified when American blood has been spilled the world over to make nations free, we ask nothing in return, and we we are still seen as imperialist. My Grandfather defended Europe against the Hun and put his life on the line to win WWI for Europe. My Father defended Europe against Nazi imperialism as another generation of Americans fought WWII and died to defend freedom. I fought the Cold War as we stemmed the tide of Soviet aggression against Europe. And it looks like my daughter may very well have to give her life to defend against Islamo-Facisim. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are buried in lands far away from North America, those who gave their lives so that people they did not even know could live in freedom. All I want to do is live in peace and harmony with others of this world. Why, after all we have given the world, can I not simply do that?

PoliticalPuck :

George W. Bush has been, is and always will be an embarassment to America.

Thousands, no, millions of people are counting the days until his term (our sentence) is over.

Whatever ill will America has gained since 2000 is his fault. No one else's.

PoliticalPuck :

George W. Bush has been, is and always will be an embarassment to America.

Thousands, no, millions of people are counting the days until his term (our sentence) is over.

Whatever ill will America has gained since 2000 is his fault. No one else's.

Jim Hill :

I have seen and understand that Americans can act stupid and ignorant in all corners of the world. What I would love someone from outside my nation to explain to me is how this hatred toward us is justified when American blood has been spilled the world over to make nations free, we ask nothing in return, and we we are still seen as imperialist. My Grandfather defended Europe against the Hun and put his life on the line to win WWI for Europe. My Father defended Europe against Nazi imperialism as another generation of Americans fought WWII and died to defend freedom. I fought the Cold War as we stemmed the tide of Soviet aggression against Europe. And it looks like my daughter may very well have to give her life to defend against Islamo-Facisim. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are buried in lands far away from North America, those who gave their lives so that people they did not even know could live in freedom. All I want to do is live in peace and harmony with others of this world. Why, after all we have given the world, can I not simply do that?

Tom Wonacott :

Salamon

Another interesting article. In 2003-04, I was wondering why the US just didn't kill Sadr. I disagree with one point of the article. I think the US and UK did understand his importance to the Shia population. I am certain that they were calculating trouble down the road with the Sadr led militia versus trouble at that moment if they assassinated Sadr (provided the story is true, of course).

Sadr is a great defender of the Shia population and is very nationalistic. There was an interesting article in the Washington Post, May 20th titled "Iraq's Sadr Overhauls His Tactics
Shiite Woos Sunnis, Purges Extremists".

"...moderates are taking up key roles in Sadr's movement, professing to be less anti-American and more nationalist as they seek to improve Sadr's image and position him in the middle of Iraq's ideological spectrum.

"We want to aim the guns against the occupation and al-Qaeda, not between Iraqis,"

The US would have to view a unification of Sunni and Shia against Al Qaeda and the US as a POSITIVE step in Iraq. This would lessen the possibility of a regional war as well as a bloody civil war and remove the safe haven for Al Qaeda in Sunniland.


Thanks for the article.

Her Lao :

Bush did not start any thing he could not have started. He merely came to represent --- epitomize, if you will --- the over-reaching of Americana.

A society --- any society, no matter how powerful relative to others (one, a few or a big chunks of countries) --- that keeps reaching for more than it is able to firmly grasp (both literally and metaphorically) will inevitably decline. In America's rise since the early 1900's, and particularly since the end of WWII, it has foreceably cut too much a piece of the pie: a population of 4-5 percent of the world's total CONSUMING roughly between 25 to 30 of the world's total resource-out-put means only one thing: it has to use a DISPROPORTIONATE amount of that resource to try to maintain its dominance, which sustains its mighty consumption.

We have, despite many complaints, the world's BEST EQUIPPED armed forces and the world's BEST EQUIPPED soldiers. No post-industrialized country spends more, relatively or absolutely, on their armed forces and military personnel than America does.

When a few American soldiers are captured by the enemies, for example, millions of dollars and thousands of hours are used searching for them. It is NOT a bad thing; indeed, it is the only logical thing to do; but by doing that, America is OVER-SPENDING its resources, over-strectching its capability...

It's a sure sign America is on a protracted path of decline, even as it visibly asserts itself, making it known to less powerful countries that America's "national security interest" supersedes all others. And that we make the rule, even if it must be --- and it is, to us --- just rule that "all just people are capable of and live by"... If you like the rule we make, then we are friends; if you don't, it is tough. But no matter, America's "national security interest" supersedes all!

Once upon a time, the mighty Romans, who ruled from Northern Africa to England, were comparably powerful, too. And from THEIR VIEW, they ruled pretty benevolently, too, yes!

It is difficult to gauge one's own supposed decline, in the midst of it and this is especially true when one feels so powerful, so righteous, so doubtlessly assured of being "on the right side of history," and so benevolently democratic in spirit onto oneself and among one's friends (and enemies are just evil, unreasonably people who want to hurt or kill us for no good reasons, other than that they are bent on destroying us and our freedom and generosity)...

Jack Lowe :

I lived in Europe for three years in the 50's. The Brits and French hated us for Suez, Go Home Yankee! was scrawled on many walls, and we were not allowed off base on May Day.
I lived in Europe for two years in the 60's. There were massive (100,000 participants) anti-war demonstrations against America.
I lived in Europe for three years in the 70's. The anti-war demonstrations continued.
I lived for one year in Europe in the 80's. There were huge, huge demonstrations all over the continent about deployment of MRBM's.
I lived in Europe for three years in the 90's, and there were major demonstrations against Gulf War I.
There seems to be a 50 year pattern here. It does not have to be just Bush II, it was Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I. Actually, by the standards of the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's, things are pretty quiet right now. When since WW II has Europe liked us?

Jack Lowe :

I lived in Europe for three years in the 50's. The Brits and French hated us for Suez, Go Home Yankee! was scrawled on many walls, and we were not allowed off base on May Day.
I lived in Europe for two years in the 60's. There were massive (100,000 participants) anti-war demonstrations against America.
I lived in Europe for three years in the 70's. The anti-war demonstrations continued.
I lived for one year in Europe in the 80's. There were huge, huge demonstrations all over the continent about deployment of MRBM's.
I lived in Europe for three years in the 90's, and there were major demonstrations against Gulf War I.
There seems to be a 50 year pattern here. It does not have to be just Bush II, it was Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I. Actually, by the standards of the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's, things are pretty quiet right now. When since WW II has Europe liked us?

Jack Lowe :

I lived in Europe for three years in the 50's. The Brits and French hated us for Suez, Go Home Yankee! was scrawled on many walls, and we were not allowed off base on May Day.
I lived in Europe for two years in the 60's. There were massive (100,000 participants) anti-war demonstrations against America.
I lived in Europe for three years in the 70's. The anti-war demonstrations continued.
I lived for one year in Europe in the 80's. There were huge, huge demonstrations all over the continent about deployment of MRBM's.
I lived in Europe for three years in the 90's, and there were major demonstrations against Gulf War I.
There seems to be a 50 year pattern here. It does not have to be just Bush II, it was Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I. Actually, by the standards of the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's, things are pretty quiet right now. When since WW II has Europe liked us?

John :

As an American, I can only hope that after this rogue regime is out of office and a Democrat is elected as the next president, we can begin to repair the horrific damage Bush et al has caused our nation and the world over the last 6 years.

How this plays out in the world scene is yet to be revealed. Non-American's need to remember that George W. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 and was appointed president by a conservative US Supreme Court. And, the 2004 election was effectively stolen. The recent US Attorneys scandal reveals how this regime has sought to ensure a one-party state, ie, a permanent Republican Fascist Plutocracy.

With the 2006 election of a Democratic majority in the House and Senate we have stepped back from the abyss of fascism. I think the rest of the world recognizes this fact. We have a long, long road ahead of us to restore our credibility as a responsible member of the world’s nations. We can do this and ensure our security. As a matter of fact, we must do this to ensure our security.

mikel :

Tired comments, I think. Old whines. For those of you who think we just needed to talk more, EVERY country in the world lists a US embassy or consulate address and phone. I don't hear about anyone calling....... If you waited for nuclear weapons, then I guess 200,000 dead in Iraq just don't matter whether one bullet at a time or one big bomb. If you don't care about them, who should care about you? The real issue is people want to kill us anywhere they can. Sheep to the slaughter is OK for you but not for me. Funny how no one could understand the Jews marching to the camps and now you want to march along side them. We lose high tech jobs and listen to dropouts and druggies cry.... Quit blaming Bush and look around. Nuts!

Tom Wonacott :

BobL

I only have an unwavering support for the invasion of Iraq (to this day), and believe that leaving with Iraq in the current condition would be the wrong policy. I've stated many times that the occupation was poorly planned, although, I have also stated that with the hatred that exist between the Shia and Sunnis, no policy of occupation probably would have succeeded. There have been positive results because of the invasion (liberation of Shia and Kurds, the overthrow of a brutal dictator and millions of Iraqis voting in the face of death), but, admittedly, the negatives (civil war, Iraqi civilian and American deaths, regional instability, emboldening and empowering Iran, emboldening terrorism - if we leave before finishing the job) outweigh the positives, but history will be the final judge.

Have we really even discussed any other policies of Bush? I supported the tax cuts, the selection of Supreme Court justices, privatization of social security, economic policy (in general), the invasion of Afghanistan, hardball with Iran, Patriot Act, creation of Homeland Security, surveillance and could care less about Gonzalez, Cheney, Halliburton, Guantanamo Bay, terrorist rights etc. I see some positives and negatives to the latest immigration bill although Bush did nothing for six years. I am disappointed by the US and world response to Darfur and I am glad the Republicans were voted out of Congress because they might as well have been Democrats (spending). Because of Iraq, Bush has backed down and now will negotiate with Iran (which I think is a waste of time). As a sideline, Pelosi's trip to Syria was a God send - for Syria and the Republican party.


Congress has a lower rating than Bush because Americans are already tiring of the political games the Dems are playing with Iraq (and doing nothing else). If the surge fails or is not demonstrably producing significant positive results, then the Dems should win the Presidency - despite Hillary or Obama (I think Edwards is already history).

I agree with your thoughts on Pakistan. A US invasion could topple that dictatorship. Even crossing into Pakistan with the Backing of Musharif, and considering the state of affairs in Pakistan today, that still might be enough to bring down the government, however, another significant successful terrorist attack conducted by Al Qaeda could bring an invasion to northern Pakistan.

MikeB :

TB - WHAT PLANET ARE RE YOU LIVING ON? George Bush and his asociates, the "Free Traitors", have exported over 4 million high tech jobs, have overseen the export of the crown jewels of our defense technologies, and are even now cravenly seeking to flood the U.S. with cheap foreign workers as a result of their disaterous amnesty for illegal immigrants gambit. Under George Bush we have witnessed over 25% of our manufacturing jobs loose health care and other basic benefits and have witnessed a 15% drop in wages. At the same time, our debt to China and India and other foreign countries, has grown to obscene levels never before witnessed in history. Those countries, holding that debt, DICTATE our policies and can and do pretty much jerk us around whenever they like. George Bush is a disaster and the worst enemy this country has ever had.

Nelson :

Nobody hates the US, the world hates and despise the dumb-idiot-in-Chief. There are two separate issues: the US and the idiot.

Cristina (On whether our opinion matters) :

I have just read many insightful posters, most of them pointing out one or more valid claims, which shows that this question does not have one or two answers, but many aspects to be considered.

I just would like to point out three things:

a) we, Americans and no-Americans, living in the US or not, we are all part of the equation since our life is affected direct or indirectly by decisions made at the White House. We are part of the equation, YES!

b)The world opinion matters, but should matter not to guide your decisions, but for you to make use of it in order to better articulate the next steps, to rethink, to question such an opinion and confront it with your own beliefs. On this process, we that are part of this so-called world opinion, cannot help...but we can provide a feedback for sucha process. No man is island and we DO need each other. If anyone disagrees with me, then go it alone...keep on going...dont ask anyone else for help with troops, dont pledge for moeny for reconstruction, dont baragain the intervention of other countries, dont blame us for not helping. Do all that if you cant be bothered about the world may eventually think of you....Just try.

c) An optmisitic attitude is helpful during difficult times. It is not bumper thinking. It is just life outside the theoretical paradigms, outside "I know" and "You dont"....I've been there, done that, and you dont...so I can talk..."

If the world opinion is to be regarded this way more often than not when the matter in case is US, then never more formulate questions to bring us to participate. Stay and live alone with your certainties. Just dont ask our help...dont ask Poland to install this and that, dont send reprimands to the way democracy is played out in Russia, do not scrutinise China's human records. Do not attempt to launch propaganda in Venezuela or Cuba.

Why? Because you are too self-sufficient...need no one but yourselves.
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PS.: I sort of regret coming here to take part on this, despite some nice posters that showed a lot of different minds thinking together taking on different angles of the same issue since this was monocordial talk.

TB :

"pgr :
Thanks to George Bush for not letting Brazilians, Mexicans, Irananians or anyone else dictate what is in the best interest of the USA. I have lived for decades in Asia and Mid-east and find that the most complaining about the USA from the outside comes from people who know nothing about it. Their dissaffection comes from their own country's problems, and it is soothing to swallow the well-worn myths and cliches about big-bad Uncle Sam"


They only know what we have shown them - remember first you have lived in their country.

Bush might be a good Texan (at best), but he is extremely narrow-minded in the ways of the world. I suspect the big oil companies have had more to say about U.S. policy than Bush (record profits, countries with large oil reserves)

If you are buying into the Bush propaganda, perhaps you could say he has been a pretty decent VP and no doubt appreciate all the short term benefits - tax breaks ($70,000 tax free annually for working outside the U.S.).

Your most cherished and valued inheritance is your freedom (good old boys know this first and foremost – but that only applies to certain people – the good old boys) - and you've surrender so much in the past 6 years and yet, you remain clueless. Not sure what your plan is for the next generation, but the Bill of Rights does not appear to be a part of it.

And one irrelevant tip - you’re more likely to be killed by a criminal in the U.S. then a terrorist from another country. Now that's a very, very sad state of affairs

TB :

pgr :
Thanks to George Bush for not letting Brazilians, Mexicans, Irananians or anyone else dictate what is in the best interest of the USA. I have lived for decades in Asia and Mid-east and find that the most complaining about the USA from the outside comes from people who know nothing about it. Their dissaffection comes from their own country's problems, and it is soothing to swallow the well-worn myths and cliches about big-bad Uncle Sam.

They only know what we have shown them - remember first you have lived in their country.

Bush might be a good Texan (at best), but he is extremely narrow-minded in the ways of the world. I suspect the big oil companies have had more to say about U.S. policy than Bush (record profits, countries with large oil reserves)

If you are buying into the Bush propaganda, perhaps you could say he has been a pretty decent VP and you appreciate all the short term benefits - tax breaks (i.e. $70,000 tax free annually for working outside the U.S.).

Your most cherished and valued inheritance is your freedom (good old boys know this first and foremost – but that only applies to certain people – the good old boys) - and you've surrender so much in the past 6 years and yet, you remain clueless.

Not sure what your plan is for the next generation, but the Bill of Rights does not appear to be a part of it.

And one irrelevant tip - you’re more likely to be killed by a criminal in the U.S. then a terrorist from another country. Now that's a very, very sad state of affairs!

MEY :

I live in the US and for all those who comment others should not be critical of the US, may I remind my fellow citizens that our policies do bring about resentments and these are:
737 bases around the world
Military bases where we have protection agreements that we force on the host nations whereby the troops are above the law
A huge oil and energy consumption to sustain a life style that is not compatible with the limited resources of the world
A huge pollution with 25% of carbon dioxide emissions and a life style that does not want to change
A dollar exchange scheme introduced in 1973 by Nixon that insures that everybody around the world is more or less forced to have dollars in reserve and therefore we can continue to print dollars without ever having to reduce its value.
A restricted way to conduct trade where we ask for open markets while we keep ours restricted as we do with farm subsidies.
On the other hand we have a superb country of laws and not of men, where the spirit of can do and unrestricted optimism is pervasive and where people want to come here for two main reasons: economic opportunity and bureaucratic freedom; and this is way before political freedom.

Salamon :

Tom W:

Assymetric warfare has a long history, where the invaders took tremendous losses, without breaking the defenders of their homeland.

In invaded and occupied states all invadors and their collaborators are fair game. Such was the case in Yugoslavia/Russia/France/etc during the second World war, as in Palestine since 1949, as was the case in Vienam and now in Iraq and Afganistan.

Of course, dubious behaviour is not limited to the resistance movements [the USA calls them Terrorists/insurgents] the invador is just as deceitful and destructive towards "colletral damage" a.k.a known as civilians, children and women.

At times the actions of the invader is beyond logic, indeed fires up the insurgents/defenders of their homeland. Excellent example is the botched up affair at:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2565123.ece

It might be time for the USA to get back home, before they lite up the whole ME from the Mediterrean to the far East. There are REAL WMD-s East of IRan

MEY :

I do think that it is a persistent decline that is being accelerated by the policies of the present administration. The decline really started in 1973 when the West in general and the US in particular lost its total and complete control over the energy resources. The standard of living and the progression of wealth has kept pace at the expense of decreasing benefits and longer working hours. Education to keep the same level of income in real terms has gotten longer and more expensive. The introduction of the Euro and the effort on the part of Iran, Iraq in 2000, and perhaps Venezula to have the oil exchange deal in Euros and not exclusively in dollars is very threatening to the standard of living of the US and to its dollar domination as a reserve currency of the world. The current campaign in the ME aims to insure the total domination of the region by the US/UK for its strategic oil and for its location. It permits the positioning of troops along the pipelline routs just as the US navy is positioned to insure the free flow and the control of choke points. Japan, China, Europe, and any potential rival is under the mercy of this combination of military anf financial control. All of these campaigns are essentially rear guard action to stem the decline. The present administration is not helping as it espouses an ideologically driven set of policies that have a skewed view of the world problems. Althoug philosophically the view may be correct about this or that challenge such as the lack of freedom in the world, it is exceedingly difficult to have practical solutions to these problems driven by philosophical straight jackets. This is where the administration has failed miserably: the failure of building a true long term consensus on facing the challenges of a post modern globalized world. I would also add that one element that Bresczinski pointed to that we are neglecting is the new emphasis around many parts of the world for human dignity. As we trample others around this forces a view of our total lack of concern for basic human dignity. This is in my opinion a new and basic aspect of the new globalized world we live in.

MATTE :

Leo from Mexico, its kind of hard to take seriously what you say about being "troublesome but necessary" especially when you point to the US as exporting violence into your country. Because are a huge economy, and there are many Mexicans willing to sell drugs and form cartels to flood the US market, we are somehow troublesome? The US has long tried working with a corrupt and inefficient Mexican government/law enforcement only to be led astray as they receive bogus information in order to not catch the leaders who are paying off your leaders at the same time. Also, to point to the war of 160 years ago, claiming that you lost california, new mexico, texas, colorado, and nevada, you should probably check that again, becuase you did not lose all those states, you lost portions of those states, and not due to invasion but because of border disputes caused by people on both sides...it was not a rape and pillage by the US government.

Pegleg :

Over half of Americans can't stand Bush or his administration...Is it any wonder that much of the world feels the same way...Get rid of Bush and replace him with a pragmatic internationalist and our "stock" will go back up.

Pegleg :

Over half of Americans can't stand Bush or his administration...Is it any wonder that much of the world feels the same way...Get rid of Bush and replace him with a pragmatic internationalist and our "stock" will go back up.

kent taucer :

The Bush era in the USA reminds me as nothing so much as when Julian sized the purple in the waning days of the western Roman Empire. As described by Gibons, after making several promising advances in stemming the collapse and corruption of the Empire ,including BTW outlawing the cult of Christianity that had begun to undermine the Empire, Julian became entangled in a disasterous campaign against the Persians; which ended I belive in the massacare of Roman's finest legions just outside of Babylon and the demise of Julian himself. This disasaster ultimately led to the Babarian invasions into Italy and the end of the western Roman Empire.

The US under Geroge Bush I think has a similar choice to make as the Roman's did under Julian, to either choose to shore-up our collapsing Empire from within and increase our postion in the world through diplomacy, alliances and an increase in produtive and competitve commerce or to allow ourselves to be drug into a series of expensive, futile military adventures with few concrete goals or ultimate chance of success. The choice is ours and it needs to be made in short order or I fear Pax America will go the way of Pax Romana and our generation will live to see an ushering in of a new Dark Ages.

Gaurav Goel, Austin, TX USA :

As others have noted, the American image abroad (as the image of foreign nations to us) is largely formed by ignorance. There is a view presented through the media, news, music, films that does not correspond with reality, but with the intent of the presentor.

Real images of nations and cultures are formed by direct contact, either visitations or interaction with real people. And there is astonishingly very little of either of these venues for learning about each other.

So herein lies a vast opportunity for the future betterment of the world. Go out and travel! Get to know one another! In doing so, you will learn more about yourself and your own nation. Thoughtful and reflect persons will benefit immensely from this exchange. Something to be hopeful about.

PS My solution to the US immigration problem -- all Americans should learn Spanish, and use it to hold immigrants accountable for their actions.

kent taucer :

The Bush era in the USA reminds me as nothing so much as when Julian sized the purple in the waning days of the western Roman Empire. As described by Gibons, after making several promising advances in stemming the collapse and corruption of the Empire ,including BTW outlawing the cult of Christianity that had begun to undermine the Empire, Julian became entangled in a disasterous campaign against the Persians; which ended I belive in the massacare of Roman's finest legions just outside of Babylon and the demise of Julian himself. This disasaster ultimately led to the Babarian invasions into Italy and the end of the western Roman Empire.

The US under Geroge Bush I think has a similar choice to make as the Roman's did under Julian, to either choose to shore-up our collapsing Empire from within and increase our postion in the world through diplomacy, alliances and an increase in produtive and competitve commerce or to allow ourselves to be drug into a series of expensive, futile military adventures with few concrete goals or ultimate chance of success. The choice is ours and it needs to be made in short order or I fear Pax America will go the way of Pax Romana and our generation will live to see an ushering in of a new Dark Ages.

Dylan - Australia :

This is classic neorealist 'balance of power theory' at work. In an international political system where the only force of motivation is states desire to increase its security through accumulation of power, the very existence of US power will always bee seen at best as a source of suspicion, and at worst as a direct threat by other states. The very ability of the United States to impose itself militarily on any other state will always be seen as a potential threat by others regardless of its actual will to do so.

Nature abhors imbalance. It will naturally try and correct it. World politics is no different. Unchallenged US power represents an imbalance. In international politics, overwhelming power leads others to try and balance against it. Balance of power theory leads one to predict that other states, if they had a choice, will flock to the weaker side, for it is the stronger side that threatens them. Recent attitudes towards America are symptomatic of this process.

Empires, even 'consensual' ones such as the US, can be respected, but never loved. Its lonely at the top. The best PR campaign in the world will not change people’s suspicion of power. Get used to it.

Travis :

I think the level of anti-Americanism surely does correlate with U.S. foreign (and some domestic) policy, and media coverage and government reactions play a major role in that public opinion process.

But the larger question is often ignored- how well do internationals know Americans? How well do Americans know internationals. The answer for the first question is not very well, and for the second, it's just abysmal.

It's easy for me, as a student who studied abroad for a year in Mexico, to say that it's important for other cultures to inter-mingle, to live/work/study abroad. But not every American or international is as blessed as me to have had that experience. Most people will never leave their home country. As a result, most people are prone to anti-Americanism/anti-Europeanism/anti-Chinese(ism?). Most people around the world are ethnocentric. While U.S. policies play a significant role right now in shaping world public opinion, this dynamic will always be in play, no matter who is President of the United States.

dumb american :

Geez, I love how the people in the land of the free and home of the brave are so quick to point out why USA is hated. The easy answer is to blame Bush and his cronies, including every elected official who supported this war. However what little of us remember is that we all supported this war, but like usual when there is sacrifice and tough sledding the US people are weak. We'd rather all look to blame someone else other than ourselves and the fact that we would all much rather vote and watch american idol than a presedential debate. We would rather get our political commentary from Colbert than George Will because well Colbert is just more in tune with the young crowd. The facts are this, Bush and Government of the US is failing us because we are failing it. We live in a country where we can really have everything, yet all we do is complain about what we don't have or what other's have because they were willing to work harder than the person standing beside us was. The rest of the world knows we are weak and as we continue to lowere our standards of the United States so will the rest of the world. At this rate the hatred will stop soon enough as we continue to implode from within.

SM-VA :

The very term "anti-Americanism" is a misnomer. Which aspect of American system is being referred to in "American-ism" ? Is it America's music, America's technology, America's public education or foreign policy ? Is the "anti-american" sentiment rising against the American State and its economic/foreign/military policies abroad or is it against any specific aspect of American public life and domestic policies ? A clear and consistent definition would be very helpful.

Cheryl :

The world looks at Americans with disgust because of our arrogance and total blissful ignorance about our place in the world. Other countries do not envy our values as much as we think they do. We did not invent democracy nor freedom, nor do many other industrial cultures share our values or wish to imitate our culture and values. It is our insistance that we are THE world and not part of the world, that others around the world find distasteful.

taildragger :

I met a man in Toronto the other day. He fled Iraq after the first Gulf War, and has been six years in Canada. He has family in Iraq now.

He said Iraqis were happy that the US removed Saddam, but "Now we have 40 Saddams," explaining he meant the heads of the various groups and militias competing in Iraq, all torturing and butchering civilians.

His brother is in the US Army, and was knicked once by an IED and shot in another incident.

A sad commentary from one who knows!

And they're supposed to be grateful to the US?

ENVY :

Can you say envy. The world envies the US, thus, they hate us. We love everyone, why, were happy. We even tolerate left wing liberals. Why, were happy. Canadian love US business and the US hates cheap Canadian coins in our vending machines, but we tolerate it. Why were happy. Get a life the rest of the world.

Tim :

An interesting story I heard from an Iranian guy with whom I occassionally work. Apparently right after 9/11 the Iranian people were all solidly supportive and sympathetic to Americans. They were sewing Iranian and U.S. flags together as a symbol of solidarity. There were tens of thousands in stadiums holding candlight vigils for the U.S. The next day Bush gave his internationally publicized speech where he described the Iranian people as part of the "Axis of Evil." Such great diplomacy.

Salamon :

BobL and TOM:

At this time I would be most careful with respect to Pakistan whether Bib Laden is there or not. I woulld say any attack for any reason might cause untold problems, for Pakistan HAS WMD - a.k.a the BOMB. They took dim view last time the USA had military contact there.

As the President of Pakistan is almost a goner [will take a m iracle to steady the country] no one knows who will get control of the BOMB were he to fall.

History [Dr. Kahn] indicated that Pakistanis do not like the USA line - at least some in the intellectual areas, and in the tribes.

A Pakistani incursion might send WMD-s to another "FRIEND" of the USA such as N. Korea, Iran, or India with or without ballastic missile delivering the PRESENT [Do recall your Iraqqi/Kuwaiti bases are in the flight capablilites of these Missiles -- and there is no defence vs ATOM!!!

al :

an amusing subtext to all of this is the arrant lack of any sense of responsibility on the part of those who whine the loudest (i.e., a large % of contributors to this thread). bumper sticker thinking has supplanted real knowledge these days.

the sad reality is the most have no participatory experience in the actual prcesses and deliberations that preceded W and continue to this point in time. you aren't part of the equation. you're on the sidelines. you have no idea of who was involved, when and where decisions were made, what systemic problems - problems that survive political affliations and administrations - continue to this day. there is this fantasy that a few neocon ideologues and a President who delegates excessively somehow can manipulate 100s of thousands of people for years on end. the government, the armed forces, the bureaucracy doesn't work like that.

institutions are populated by people who live across the street from you and me. the higher you move in the super-structure the less persistent is the leadership presence.

there's no analysis in this thread.....just more wanking FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PARTICIPANTS AT THE DECKPLATE LEVEL. lots of mistakes have been made.......but most of you aren't willing to invest the personal time and sacrifice to really learn what these were...much less influence outcomes.

world opinion? you mean the same set of governments and cultures that did so much to control the decades of events leading up to 9/11?

guess what? there will be more consequences that issue from this than damnation for a President and his blameworthy acolytes. all of you complaining are going to be held accountable as well. those of us who have been engaged in Iraq and elsehwere know that there is blame to be shared all around. the level of discontent hasn't reached critical mass yet...but the intellectual realization is there. it is palpable and it will have long term consequences. this won't be the same as post-VietNam. The VietNamese stopped killing Americans once we withdrew - that is not going to happen once/if we withdraw from Iraq. that fight will be revisited here.

getting back to point....in concrete details...why should Americans care about an ambiguous notion like "world opinion" when there has been no real demonstrable evidence that favorable or otherwise.....it makes any difference? not interested, btw, in responses that cover how much more enjoyable summer sojourns in Europe will be.

Natalie Ahn, PostGlobal :

WorldPublicOpinion.org recently put it like this: "World View of US Role Goes From Bad to Worse." Their results might be of interest in this discussion:

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/306.php?nid=&id=&pnt=306&lb=brglm

To Canda :

Canadians are a joke in the US and always will be. The US doen't need Canada and never will. can you say the same. Heck, we like Iranians better than Canadians. At least they have courage, but they are pretty bent. Stay on your side of the boarder and take your hand out of America's pocket.

Art C :

I am a proud American of mexican heritage. I am also a fierce critic of the current "American" policies towards the world. Since this Administration has been in control it has ruled by fear and that fear has led to policies that discriminate against the world at large. For instance I agree that we need to have strong immigration policies but this administration has created a monumental campaign to keep everyone at odds with each other and that in turn has created such a back lash against hispanic immigrants. This administration has pitted the rich against the poor, the Caucasian against the Hispanics and uncaringly has sent thousands of young men and women to their deaths in a war of choice. All that combined has created such ill will in the world. I do not believe that the world is anti-american but Anti-Bush and his neocons who are currently rulling by Fear. Gone are the days when we had true leaders such as Ronald Regan, JFK and a leader who once stated "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". The biggest harm to the world is Bush's American arrogance and our own weakness as human beings when we see middle easterners and Hispanics as second class citizens.

Kase :

Check your headline-
It should read AND, not "or".

Kase :

Check your headline-
It should read AND, not "or".

Anonymous :

dont like america then leave if you are already here, and dont come here if you are not already here.
dont ask us for foreign aid, doctors, our medicine, or our food.
when you neighbors attack you and you are in the middle of a war dont ask us to help.
stay in south america, mexico, europe the middle east, or where ever you are.
live with your own loveable friendly governments, because as bad as you appear to say we are, you break every law and take every chance for the privilege of living here.
so stay home, go home, and put your hand down.

Nicolo' Pignatelli :

Iran has not started a war against any other nation in the last 300 years or so.
But Iran has been a target by the so-called "West".
When did it start.

The British and the French became colonial powers in this hemisphere in the late 1800s. They gradually expanded their reach and at the beginning of the 1900s they started looking toward the East.
The Ottoman empire (which included Iran, Iraq and the whole of the Middle East) was in a way the real target. The Ottomans knew it and sided with Germany and Austria when WWI broke out with the "justification" for the murder of Franz Ferdinand in Serajevo.
The industrial revolution had made great strides towards the end of the 1880s and the time of coal as a fuel for factories and navies was declining with oil becoming the more efficient source of energy.
And where was the oil? In the Near and Middle East. Emperor William II of Germany wanted to build the Berlin-Bagdad railway and he talked of the "Drang nach osten", i.e. the push towards the East, i.e. from the West to the East.
Baghdad Railway, railroad of international importance linking Europe with Asia Minor and the Middle East. The line runs from Istanbul, Turkey, to Basra, Iraq; it connected what were distant regions of the Ottoman Empire. The railroad was initially financed chiefly by German capital; its Anatolian sections were completed in 1896. The ambitious project was then formed to extend the railroad to Baghdad, and a company, again backed chiefly by German capital, was organized for the purpose. Immediate protests were made to Turkey by France, Russia, and, particularly, Great Britain, which saw in the projected line a direct threat to its empire in India. Operations were held up for several years by these international representations and by engineering difficulties, but in 1911 work was resumed.
By playing on imperialistic rivalries, the construction of the railroad was a factor in bringing about World War I. By the end of the war only a stretch between Mosul and Samarra remained to be completed on the main line, which Syria and Iraq later undertook and finished.
(Source; Columbia thefreedictionary.com)
Indeed, there was no push from the East to the West. There may be one now, but for different reasons.
This "push towards the East" was codified in minute detail (with attached map) by the British and the French in the 16 May 1916 Sykes-Picot (top-secret) Agreement which can now be found on the Internet.
Lawrence of Arabia became the leader of the Arab insurgency against the Ottomans. At the time, he and the general public were not aware of Sykes-Picot, nor of what it was all about. Sykes-Picot was made public by the USSR in the 1930s thanks to the KGB spies and their agents in the UK, Phily and co.
In 1917 came the Balfour Declaration for the establishment of the homeland for the Jews in Palestine.
And what about the Treaty of Versailles and the Wilsonian dream? The Allies handed millions of Germans to the Checks (in the Sudetenland) and to the Poles in Slesia.
The Treaty of Versailles imposed crushing reparations upon the Germans which brought depression and mega-inflation to Germany. One billion Marks for a loaf of bread !!.
Wilson " invented" Yugoslavia and look what happened just recently.
He invented the League of Nations, but the Republican controlled Congress rejected it.
The Sykes-Picot Agreement was implemented during the San Remo Conference (1920-1921) which gave also a piece of the Iraq Petroleum Co. to US companies and AGIP of Italy for having sided with the Allies. The UK retained full control of the Anglo Persian Oil Co.
In 1929, the Republican Congress approved the tariff setting of the Smoot-Hartley Act (1929) and that caused the Great Depression which spread throughout the Western World. Hitler was elected Chancellor in 1933 and in 1939 he started the WWII as a revenge against Versailles.
We lived through WWII and we know what happened. Britain and France became "yesterday's news". They lost their Empires and influence in the world; they got right back to where they were at the time of Julius Ceaser.
The USA became their inevitable heir and acquired the assets and liabilities of it's predecessors. Oil became even more important to the developed and developing nations. This is where we are today.
Doesn't the historical perspective change depending on the starting date and the historical background.
"An Italian saying goes: "The facts are more valid than the word of the Pope". If one looks at the facts in cold blood than one can have a very different picture as to why and how events brought us to where we are now.
In the end, it is a question of timing.

Johnny Canuck (Vancouver) :

As a non-American (I'm Canadian) here's how I see it. Many fellow commentors have said to just accept anti-Americanism as the way of the world. I agree to a certain extent - there will always be some people who are anti-American. What should alarm people in the US is the dramatic increase in anti-Americanism under the current administration, especially considering how this administration started off. The international response to 9/11 should highlight how the world felt about the US at the time - we were all tripping over ourselves to offer any help we could to our friends in the US in your hour of need. However, the Bush administration followed that up by refusing to listen to its anyone's advice and going lone cowboy into Iraq. It then followed that with a seemingly unending series of mistakes that destroyed the goodwill that had existed.

I still love the IDEA of the USA - your constitution is one of the wonders of the world in my opinion (2nd ammendment excepted). I suspect many others around the world share my view (the recent election of Monsieur Sarkozy illustrates this). However, we have had to watch as the Bush administration repeatedly eroded the freedoms guaranteed in the constitution (Patriot Act, spying on US citizens), ignored international treaties it had signed (torture in Gitmo, contracting out torture to cooperative 3rd party nations, invading Iraq over the objections of the UN and your NATO allies) and based political appointments completely on loyalty to Bush rather than merit and competence (Alberto Gonzales). This is how the Kremlin used to appoint people - based on their loyalty to The Party, and more importantly, their loyalty to the current leader. These actions all erode the IDEA of the US in my eyes and this fuels my dislike (hatred) of the current administration.

Please, Americans, understand that I am completely anti-Bush but I am also strongly pro-American and we hope that in 2008 you elect the right people who can undo the damage of the Bush years, and perhaps you'll feel our love again. America can lead the world by example but not by force!

Anonymous :

As a non-American (I'm Canadian) here's how I see it. Many fellow commentors have said to just accept anti-Americanism as the way of the world. I agree to a certain extent - there will always be some people who are anti-American. What should alarm people in the US is the dramatic increase in anti-Americanism under the current administration, especially considering how this administration started off. The international response to 9/11 should highlight how the world felt about the US at the time - we were all tripping over ourselves to offer any help we could to our friends in the US in your hour of need. However, the Bush administration followed that up by refusing to listen to its anyone's advice and going lone cowboy into Iraq. It then followed that with a seemingly unending series of mistakes that destroyed the goodwill that had existed.

I still love the IDEA of the USA - your constitution is one of the wonders of the world in my opinion (2nd ammendment excepted). I suspect many others around the world share my view (the recent election of Monsieur Sarkozy illustrates this). However, we have had to watch as the Bush administration repeatedly eroded the freedoms guaranteed in the constitution (Patriot Act, spying on US citizens), ignored international treaties it had signed (torture in Gitmo, contracting out torture to cooperative 3rd party nations, invading Iraq over the objections of the UN and your NATO allies) and based political appointments completely on loyalty to Bush rather than merit and competence (Alberto Gonzales). This is how the Kremlin used to appoint people - based on their loyalty to The Party, and more importantly, their loyalty to the current leader. These actions all erode the IDEA of the US in my eyes and this fuels my dislike (hatred) of the current administration.
Please, Americans, understand that I am completely anti-Bush but I am also strongly pro-American and we hope that in 2008 you elect the right people who can undo the damage of the Bush years, and perhaps you'll feel our love again. America can lead the world by example but not by force!

Anonymous :

USA (and UK) should waive their veto right at UNSC until it withdraws from Iraq! Then let us see what happens

D.H. :

Correction last paragraph :

Please read "Until the US quits ......=

mainer :

While I understand the frustration of many in the international community with the US and American ambivalence to the rest of the world, it should be remembered that this is a two way street. The most virulent anti-Americans I've met have never been to the US. Unfortunately the US media and entertainment industry is so pervasive in some countries, that people think they know everything about America from our movies, television shows, music, etc... I'd recommend that foreignors learn something about America other than our pop culture, which we also scoff at. Western Europeans especially need to understand that Western Europe and America have never had much in common after the War of 1812. Therefore do not be shocked when we don't act like you.

As for the whole Israeli/Palestinian debacle...who in all honesty do you think we'd be allies with? First, there's the history going back to Cold War. Second, Israel's the only country in the region that we have anything in common with.

And finally, Americans see something of themselves in Israel. Contrary to popular belief in the rest of the world, Americans do know something of history. We know our own and we know our family's histories. With the exception of African-Americans and Native-Americans, these family histories remind us of why our ancestors came to the US. While "enlightened" Western Europe was allowing the British to starve my ancestral people to almost the bloody point of extinction, the US was defying the British by sending warships with food to Ireland. Americans have always been the people that the rest of the world didn't want, hence why we're here and not back in the old countries. So it's natural that we have both sympathy and empathy for Israelis.

Finally, I cannot for the life of me figure out why the US didn't withdraw from NATO and other military commitments after the end of the Cold War. I think if the US actually only cared about her interests, we'd follow the Swiss neutrality model. Imagine what we could do with the military budget money we'd save. I can also imagine that such a withdrawl would precipitate the end of the European welfare state, because they'd have to increase their military budgets. Same with Japan, Taiwan, etc... Also, I think the US should do as the Europeans do, such as doing business with places like Iran, Sudan, Syria, etc... We should also allow our companies and corporations to bribe and payoff foreign governments, just like the French do. The US should let the rest of the world handle their own security, while we focus on our economy and the good of our citizens for a change.

D.H. :

Asking such a question presupposes that you already know the answer. Akbar Bakshi will be able to confirm that anti-americanism is on the rise, although for different reasons in the various countries he will be visiting.
Since the end of WWII, America has been considered the richest and most powerful country, which everyone wanted to copy. In other words, it was looked at with envy and a bit of jealousy. However, for a long time, if criticized, the USA was respected for its democracy, vast help to so many countries, and for its capacity of innovating and creating.
After the end of the cold war, it seems America was unable to have clear view of the exact world situation - particularly in the political area - and misjudged a number of problems. With the present administration, things went from bad to worse, and the world can watch all the political scandals which are publicized, especially regarding the decision to go to war in Iraq, with a complete ignorance of the mentality, the language and the local situation, and out of sheer pride, continue to have scores of GIs being killed by roadside bombs, snipers and suicide bombers. The US army is not facing an enemy but is the target of terrorists of all kinds.
Until the US do no quit Iraq and try to use its influence to find a peaceful solution in the Middle East, it is difficult to expect antiamericanism to subside.

BobL-VA :

Tom Wonacott,

One only attacks Pakistan if one has conclusive evidence Pakistan is harboring, aiding or abetting Bin Laden. Otherwise we would be wise to mount a military excursion into Pakistan if we knew where Bin Laden was hiding. Note: this is not like the bogus WMD's. We need to know where he is. That's what intelligence is for. If we knew where Bin Laden is and went after him it would be incumbent on us to inform the Pakistani government only after our troops crossed the border. Tell them what we are doing and why and let them know if they interfere we will respond. I do not support an invasion of Pakistan to see if Bin Laden is hiding in one of their caves. However, I like many Americans want to see him captured and/or killed if the situation calls for it. This should have been our first priority from day one after 9/11.

As for your unwavering support for the Bush Administration it requires a reasonable person to buy the argument that no matter what the US does is good or at least forgiveable and no matter what an opposing side does is bad. As long as you hold that view no amount of facts or events will change your mind. However, it should be noted about the same percentage of people who think Bush/Cheney is a good administration believe Elvis is still alive.

If I was a republican I'd be jumping the Bush ship and looking for a Presidential candidate who actually had a chance to win. Right now no one on the republican side even comes close to Hillary or Obama or Edwards. The moment it became clear we couldn't find any WMD's, that little to no planning for a post war Iraq had been conducted, that the country fell into civil war along with Bin Laden still running free and Bush's stock dropped like a rock. He staked his presidency on this agenda and failed. Had he nailed Bin Laden, had we found WMD's, had Iraq transitioned into the democracy Bush envisioned we would have been singing his praises and anointing him one of the great presidents in our history. However, you should be able to see none of that has happened and he has failed. Bush staked his legacy on Iraq and for hundreds of reasons based on events he is now a bum. What even compounds this failure is Bush sailed through with 6 years of no congressional oversight. Only in the past 4 months has congress practiced any oversight on the presidency and it's just starting to get ugly. The relevance of this administration is waning by the day. George McGovern turn out to have been right when he predicted Bush/Cheney would resign this fall.

Anonymous :

Worldwide antagonism to America in particular and to Americans in general is an absolutely natural consequence of the way in which the President of the USA personifies both its values and its people. Should a President be considered lacking in moral integrity/humanity and should his advisors/administrators display arrogant insensitivity then America and its people will be perceived as supporting those qualities. Evidently not every American voted for Bush and of those that did not all would support his consequent actions but they are responsible, directly or indirectly, with the reality which the rest of the world has to live with. We, the non-Americans, have no say or redress in the way your country and its leaders behave and yet we are obliged to be absorbed by the world-view of your Government and our daily lives are profoundly touched. The voices now beginning to be raised against this administration and its leader should have been heard a long time ago. Democracy, liberty and freedom are words which have been denuded of meaning by these human beings and the world cannot truly forgive them for having degraded values which at one time had a resonance and extended hope amongst many of those who were disaffected.

Cristina :

To Zoltan:

In both cases, you deserved to win...for your maestria, or for our incrediblle show of incomptence last year.

My point is that we must recognise when one wins and give him the merit. Full stop. Then we must retreat and analyse what went wrong and why.

You can notice some politicians suffering badly from over-confidence, some nations suffering from over-confidence, some believing that economic and military might is sufficient...this is over-confidence...As it happens in our football, the results of over-confidence can be seen in politics, in the way a nation perceives herslef.

Blindness and deapthness follow...political disasters follow...self-steem is lowered...like it is foir us regarding our football.

Over-confidence was the cause of our shameful disaster last year and we must accept that fact. As other politicians and peoples should accpte that they have failed, and failed badly.

However, the solution is not keep on lamanting the losses...It is lost. Full stop. The solution is turn inwards, repositon, rethink, question and challenge the guiding principles that have been regraded as ultimate truths, the state of art in politics. By the way, there is no state of the art i politics that outlives so many blunders and failures. Something must be wrong.

Acareje...humm...but I prefer pao de queijo(cheese rolls). There is nothing like that in the whole wrold!

I like to send out positive mesages because I do believe that only optimism and a degree of acceptance of our mistakes coupled with the willingness to review our acts and wrods and change can be really effective. This is movement from within, not from without.

Au revoir...uai :-)

Zoltan :

To Cristina:

In 1998, France clearly won with maestria (3:0)

Last year, it was not so much France who deserved to win, rather than Brazil who deserved to loose: when a trainer says "Brazil doesn't adapt to other teams, it's the other teams that adapt to Brazil" then there is some over-confidence in the air.

I have a friend in Minas, Ado (+...), physics teacher at the university. Oh, yes, un queijino please. And you, an acarajé may-be ?

Cristina Brazil :

To : Zoltan (Paris) :

I rougly compare (please remind: I said roughly) our relationship with the Argentinians with UK and France...;-)We have a nice cooperative co-existence with all of our neighbors...But some of the voices that speak up for them are the ones that seem away too eager to size the moment, ...I wish I need not say more.

Nice to hear that you are virtually a Brazilian :) Well, I dont really mind if we lose that often to Argentinians. What broke my hart was to lose the World Cup 3x0 in Paris to France....and then again last year. But I dont care, France deserved it. This is what I call fair play and it should rule politics as well. I am from Minas....some cheese?

Zoltan (Paris) :

Cristina, where are you from in Brazil ?

My wife is Brazilian (as are our 2 children: they are hungarian and brazilian) and we have a house in Salvador.

As for South-America, Brazil had better see to make good friends with neighbors (yes, even with the "arrogant" Argentines who beat you sooooo often in football :-) than try to make some short advantage Brazil could gain through the momentary laps of good fortune. I wouldn't dare suggesting taking the European Construction as an example, but I'm sure there is some food for thought there.

Cristina, Brazil :

ooppss (forgot to sign the post and you might be guessing who is thanking you and for what ;)

Anonymous :
To Salamon:

Thank you. ...

Anonymous :

To Salamon:

Thank you. On the civilisation issue, I thought that you may find the reading of "La Défaite de la pensée" (1987) by Alain Finkielkraut very interestig. I found it a tough reading (some paragraphs I had more than twice!) but it was worthy it.

Thinking of the question that is now up, and thinking of what most panelists are point out, I feel that there are conditions to change the game. One first thing necessary though is the willingness to change and acknowledgemnt that some changes and some "ultimate" principles need repositoning and rethinking.

Much has been destroyed. I am of the opinion that is time to rebuild and the only damage that is made permanent is the one that we do not act upon.

There are other more complex issues that concerns us all and we will need each other.

As Einstein said: "I dont think of the future, it comes soon enough".
-----------------------
P.S.: On a smaller scale perhaps, I see my country also being referred by some of the South American media and "subimimperialist"; more recently an editorial called the Brazilian foregin policy as "imperialist, tiranic", etc, etc...I think it is dangerous gambling. So we too are becoming the favourite target of inflamed, unfriendly and unfair speeches that sound rather politically motivated than rationally pondered. We must act to make the psue of common interests more important thatn the voces of a few ones seeking destabilisation. So the ball is on our side, not on theirs. Got it?

Tom Wonacott :

Salamon

Thanks for posting me that perspective on Sarkozy. Its like watching the old TV show "Whats My Line?", will the real Sarkozy please stand up? At any rate, time will tell how his policies develop. For the US and Israel, it appears to be a positive step at any rate.

Apparently, Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades (an Al Qaeda front group) was not impressed by the election of "crusader and Zionist" Nicolas Sarkozy as president. They have threatened to attack France for his election.

Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades previously claimed responsibility for the "...July 2005 terror attacks in London, as well those in Madrid in March 2004 and in Istanbul in November 2003..."

Since France never supported the Iraq war, they (Al Qaeda) simply are not happy with the election of a pro Israel President.

Tom Wonacott :

Bob

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq employ asymmetric warfare where the tactics (of the terrorist) are completely contrary to the rules of war. These same tactics are employed by Islamic terrorist everywhere. The object is to undermine the confidence that the people have in the government (or US troops) to provide security for the Sunni and Shia civilians. The tactic of targeting civilians has worked well in Iraq, and is having success in Afghanistan, as well.

The US army is under a microscope. Many units have an implanted journalist. The US has followed the Geneva Convention as well as possible considering they cannot even determine who their enemy is by appearance. None the less, problems of that nature do occur, thus we have Haditha, and remember last week, civilians in Afghanistan were bombed. Abu Graib was unfortunate, but did not deserve over fifty front page articles by the New York Times, alone. The important point is that we scrutinize our military, and hold them to a higher standard, and in general, that has how they have performed.

Almost everyone will agree to torture depending on how personal the situation is (remember Dirty Harry?). Most agree with torture in the case of a ticking time bomb scenario including the New York Times. Water boarding doesn't make my skin crawl, but Nick Berg's beheading (while alive) sure does. I don't agree with kidnapping citizens from another country but I don't know all the circumstances surrounding those cases. Of course, I would expect you to support kidnapping Bin Laden from Pakistan (as I would), so I guess we all have our exceptions. I completely support the Patriot Act, and completely support Bush pushing the limit of national surveillance. Let the courts decide what is legal. Guantanamo Bay is a non issue to me although I wish they would disband it just to shut the left up.

It is also a little ridiculous to suggest that torture has been reinvented by the Bush Administration. I am certain that the CIA has operated under their own set of rules during many administrations, which is why Chomsky became famous. Note that it was Clinton that first put rendering of prisoners into practical operation.

Finally, I have asked you before, and I'll ask you again, do you support the US attacking Pakistan to get Bin Laden?


Salamon :

Christina from Brazil:

very nicely developed argument. your point is well taken and valid.


TOM W:

with respect to : Mr. Sarkozy and your assertion that he is PRO-USA Please read: http://www.tonykaron.com/

With respect to what ails the world versus USA is not only foreign affairs with respect to politics/invasions/wars, but also another aspect of USA foreign policy, that which abuts on international trade. While it is natural for any and all countries to work in their own interest, it is unnatural and damaging when the stated aims are hypocritical, when they are in complete contrast to the actions taken within that field.

Examples are the USA/Canada lumber dispute, most anything to do with Dorha Trade talks, bio-ethanol and destruction of natural balance, most issues with respect to China etc.

As BobL VA clearly demonstrated to you, it is time for you to wake up!!! The USA has to go through some exhaustive self-examination vis-a-vis the OTHER [ be that the poor in the USA, the Arab in ME, the Jew in Israel, etc] where the aim is to achive a tranformation from ARROGANCE

[only superpower, USA democracy is best -- though totally corrupted by Bush and Co., our relativist morality is the answer for human rights -appriciate that we FREE YOU as we kill your family; etc]

to HUMILITY and a harmonious relationship with the OTHER,

where the OTHER's ideas, insparations etc are at least as important as that of the USA [as long as neither tries for subjugation of anyone].

Food for thought :

It almost seems that nobody can hate America as much as native Americans. America needs new immigrants to love and cherish it.
~Eric Hoffer ~1902-1983@ American philosopher and author.

BobL-VA :

Tom Wonacott,

Wake up Tom. It's time to smell the coffee. I'm not even suggesting Islamic Radicals haven't done horrible things to innocent people. They have. However, what they have done should have been met with porportional responses. Bish didn't meet any of the challenges facing him with porportional responses. He used a club and engaged in over kill and shredded what this country was supposed to stand for.

One would have to be dead, dumb and blind not to believe the US isn't engaged in torture. Torture Tom, not interrogation. As much as Bosh would like you to believe the pictures from from Iraqi prisions where an anamoly committed by a few rogue (and sadistic) troops and that the existance of secret CIA prisions in Europe were day care centers for the politically challenged we all know better. Chiney's comments on "water boarding" should have made your skin crawl.

We (the United States) engaged in a pre-emptive war with Iraq and threw away the Geneva Accords in the process. Do the ends really justify the means here? It's the means that define who we are as a nation. Now we are a country of torture and nation destroyers. We don't have a problem kidnapping people in foreign countries (Italy and Germany) who seem to think we over stepped our bounds and committed crimes in their countries.

Even Jimmy Carter, who was a terrible President, got it right when he said GW is the worst President the country has ever seen. He is terrible. He has polarized both the American people and the international community. Besh would even stoop so low as to send Gonzales to Ashcroft's ICU room to cajole a very sick Ashcroft to sign off on warrantless wiretapping. Only when faced with mass resignations did Bash back off.

No Tom, I live here and I laugh and cry at this adiministration on a daily basis. Each day brings a new revelation about how incompetent this administration is. The following historical facts are not disputable or even open for interruptation. First, Bin Laden is still free and has never been brought to justice for 9/11. Second, Iraq was a pre-emptive war. Third, ElQaeda had no presence in Iraq prior to our invasion. Fourth, the US has engaged in torture in trying to solicit information. None of these facts are in dispute and they should be sufficient in their own right to make you rethink your support for the man in charge. Yes, the buck stops at the President's desk.

We can effectively fight an action against militants without pre-emptive wars and shredding the constitution and it's about time we elect a leader, whether republican or democrat, who knows how to implement this policy. Contrary to popular opinion Basher isn't a republican. He's just incompetent.

Tom Wonacott :

BobL

"...We denied our prisioners due process, rights to counsel and habeus corpus. In essence we turned uglier then the people we were supposed to be fighting..."

Hardly, Bob. Maybe you'll want to explain that to Nick berg's parents and the thousands and thousands of deaths resulting from the targeting of civilians in Iraq and elsewhere (terrorism).

frank collins :

if your not an american i dont care what you think about america any more than you care what i think about your country.
but if mine is so bad why are people from all over the world trying to get in, and probably a good number of them are from where you are now.

Food for thought :

TO: daniel the borg a.k.a the hidden communist :

diversity is futile... you will be assimilated
diversity is futile... you will be assimilated
diversity is futile... you will be assimilated

If you can listen:

No culture can live if it attempts to be exclusive. (Gandhi)
No culture can live if it attempts to be exclusive. (Gandhi)
No culture can live if it attempts to be exclusive. (Gandhi)

Tom Wonacott :

PG

While many will tie our image to George Bush and his policy in Iraq, I believe the American image abroad is much more complicated than just one unpopular decision made by the Bush administration. In fact, the world has a love-hate relationship with the US ranging from pop culture to trade and foreign policy, and it has existed for a long time. In addition, many countries embrace the America's interventionist foreign policy - when it benefits their interest. France and Germany both elected pro American governments. The new French President openly embraced the US and was elected by a wide margin over the socialist candidate. America has a unique position in the world as a military and economic power and most countries will continue to exploit that regardless of our invasion of Iraq.

There is no question that the US image abroad has been shaken by the policy in Iraq, but it probably has been overplayed by the American and foreign media. It by no means will last for any great length of time, and the largest scrutiny and criticism over time (once Iraq is stabilized - with or without the US present) will come from the US itself.


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Canadian / Pakistani Khalid Q Awan Facing Unjustice in USA .

Khalid Q Awan detainee is now facing different preplanned, Fabricated charges in NewYork USA during his jail period,Khalid Awan is now looking forward your special attention and help towards this case for saving his innocent life. As we know, he is innocent and you can do further correspondence with him in detention centre NewYork USA and his attorney Khuram and Maher LLP NewYork to find out the reality and truth, and to bring the reality in front of the world that no innocent face that kind of the situation in future.
Khalid Q Awan detainee himself disagree with the charges imposed on him by the FBI, The charges are not related with him by all means. How can be possible a person in jail /custody since 9/11 now become terrorist while he proved not guilty in the same court in the past. So he is looking forward your help to get the justice and Clear and fair investigation in these imposed fabricated charges. It is possible with the involvement of the organizations like your’s, so that the innocent will come back to his normal life This is the mission of the human rights commission that innocents to be protected in all over the world from injustice ,and illegal Custody.
As by the press reports and by governments officials, In the court room only FBI representatives and some press reporters were present and no one else was there to see what is going over.

Help requested from high officials in Canada, U.S.A, and UNO & also from the NGOS who work for the human rights in all over the world.
Once again the request for find out the truth and reality in the above case.
With best wishes and regards
The sisters and whole family of Khalid Q Awan from Canada.

The court will announce a decision on 26 may 2007.
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Dear Sir / Madam

I am 46 years old, Canadian citizen and native of Pakistan (Muslim). I was an immigration consultant in Canada and as part of my business , I had an office in New York.
During 2001 immediately after the Sept 11, event the US govt arrested me on Oct 25, 2001 on anonymous call, as a material witness for the 9/11 world trade centre terrorist attack. A detail investigation by the FBI and USA Naval intelligence dept was conducted and I was cleared, but even then govt put me in front of Grand jury , and I was cleared and the case was dismissed by the Grand jury of the US Federal Court .
Approximately after 2 weeks , before I was released from custody the US Govt imposed a new charges of Fraud and money laundering , under the advice of my attorney , I pleaded guilty and I was sentenced to prison for five years (which was four years more, what I pleaded). In which I had already spent 3 years in Detention jail, during the case , I had about 14 months left to finishing my sentence ,(instead of appealing, I preferred to applied for Treaty Transfer to Canada, because if the case is in the appeal, defendant is not eligible for transfer back to his home country).
While at prison, I learned from the case manager Miss Mause, that my citizen was incorrect in the FBOP’s (Federal Bureau of Prison) computer system as Pakistani instead of Canadian.
Its important to note , that all of my Canadian identifications (passport , citizenship card , S.I.N , Health card Driving license etc) were under FBI’s possession, with a great deal of concern, I wrote a letter to the Canadian Consulate in Buffalo, N.Y to notify such mistake and requested them to fix this problem. This is especially important for Treaty Transfer back to Canada.
The Canadian Consulate official sent a letter to the jail to correct my citizenship status, however FBOP ignored the request and the citizenship status in the FBOP computer still reflect Pakistani instead of Canadian (Note:- I would be required to obtain visa to visit Pakistan) .In contrast , the deportation letter received from US Immigration dept, Contained the correct citizenship status of Canada.
At the hindsight, I believe that the FBOP intentionally left the citizenship as Pakistani, so that they could retained me at their facility, while the govt is planning to file new charges against me 3rd time.
Approximately six weeks before my released date on Jan 30 ,2006 I was notified by the FBOP that I was being transferred from Ellenwood , PA to MDC (Metropolitan Detention Centre) in Brooklyn N.Y, it was explained to me, that the purpose of this transfer was in preparation for deportation back to Canada, (after few days, I signed the immigration deportation papers, with my consular Miss Chen).
But immediately after my arriving to MDC Brooklyn, I discovered during a phone call with my family in Montreal, that RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) official had contacted my sister and brother-in-law regarding the whereabouts of my wife and my current situation, there was no explanation given by the RCMP official to the purpose of the call and he left his phone number and asked my wife to call him back immediately, my wife called the RCMP official and left messages in his voice mail. Then the official contacted my brother-in-law again and had asked him to tell my wife not to call again, because there is nothing good nor anything bad.
Meanwhile the AUSA ( United States Attorney) office Investigator and FBI brought me to their office to be interrogated without an attorney present, even AUSA told in the court to the judge on March 16, 2006 that he arranged attorney for me before my arrival from Ellenwood PA to MDC Brooklyn, N.Y, on Transcript; page 11, Transcript line No: 14 to 23.

AUSA:- He (Khalid Awan) was writ in the cause of a grand jury investigation. He clearly had criminal exposure. So to protect his interest I made an application to the duty magistrate for counsel to be appointed.
THE COURT:- Initially he was brought here by a Court to testify before the grand jury?

AUSA:- That is correct, Your Honour.


THE COURT:- When he arrived here, you made arrangements for an attorney to be pointed to request him?

AUSA:- Yes, Your Honour.

This interrogation started with the AUSA office Investigator stating that my family will be arrested in Canada if I refused to answer their questions.
At this point I am certain that my family is in great danger for reasons that I am not aware of. I was scared that my family would be harassed by these people along with the Canadian RCMP official, I strongly believe that the RCMP is doing this intentionally in collaboration with FBI official to further harass me to admit charges, that I never committed.
Without knowledge of the reasons why the Canadian RCMP agency was involved. I was surprised that RCMP official directly approached my family instead of me without proper explanation, and its also shocked for me, that how RCMP got the phone number of my family (because before my arrest, I don’t have any single record in any police dept, of any country).
I was intimated and pushed to the edge during this interrogation, I was determined to provide anything these USA officials wanted to make them happy even is the questions made no sense, because I want them to stop the harassment to my family.
On March 15, 2006 I completed the term of my imprisonment and was to be released from American Custody and deported back to Canada. Before that I was arrested again 3rd time, and charged with providing “material support to a foreign terrorist” and money laundering (to a organization and person, which are not designated by the USA govt and belongs to Sikh religion).
These charges emerged while I was still in prison and without the capability of providing any type of support. It was even difficult for me to get enough financial assistance to pay legal fees. I could not have provided any material support while I was in prison for five years and I could not launder any money because I did not have any.
AUSA filed three counts of indictment against me.

Conspiracy to provide material support.
Provide a material support to the foreign terrorist.
Money laundering to support terrorism.

(Please note, that in my previous case govt charged me for money laundering and fraud from Jan 1999 to 2002 and “its mentioned in the plea-agreement by the AUSA that no further money laundering charges will be brought against defendant from Jan 1999 to April 2002” even then govt indict me for money laundering from 1998 to Nov 2001 (Which is double Jeopardy and violation of 5th Amendment of U.S Constitution.)
In Oct 2006, during pre-trial hearing on the motion’s filed by my attorney the first two counts of my indictment were dismissed by the judge, stating that there is a lack of facts and figures.
After two weeks AUSA re-indicted me again. I believe this is a desperate act of the AUSA to cover up a huge embarrassment . Further this hastily drawn indictment was full of factual errors and creative legal theories.

Since I was first arrested by the American govt, I believe that I have been singled out, isolated and discriminated against primarily because of my race and religion, in addition to the fact that I don’t know any information that the American govt is trying to pressure out of me.

I do not understand the American laws and this is what led to my pleading guilty in the first case. I have difficulty understanding the new charges also.

I have been charged under, section 2339(a) of Title 18 of the United States code, which makes it illegal to provide material support to a foreign terrorist.

Please understand, I am not a terrorist, I do not know any terrorist and I have had no connections with or to any known or unknown terrorist. I have been incarcerated for last 5 years and I had no money to provide or launder.

The law enforcement have in America is pressuring me to provide information to them that I really do not have or know. I am a Canadian Citizen and nearly all of my family is in Canada, including my wife and kids. I don’t know any information to tell them to help their investigation.
Because of this , I am being treated unfairly and my rights under the American constitution are being violated. I am being held here in further detention against my will for crimes which I could have never committed, because I was in prison.

I believe, that I am a victim of the discrimination that was outlined in the July 3, 2006 issue of Time magazine (Page 29, column 3). In this article section 2339(a) & (b) are discussed and criticized “as most suspects are charged under these two sections. However, the justice dept here in America admits that of the more than 218 guilty pleas that it has obtained, most are for minor investigation issues that are uncovered deeding the course of their terrorism investigation. This suggest, according to the article that the Attorney General’s office have is not concerned about the rights or fairness or the manner in which it achieves convictions for the people they arrest. Furthermore, criticizes have noted that one of the patterns to emerge from these domestic prosecutions is that suspect seen too incompetent to carry out the deeds they are accused of. The Deputy Attorney General acknowledges that the Dept of Justice’s goal is “ preventions through prosecution’s” and this is done with no regard for an individual’s rights.

I agree that these guilty of terrorism should be prosecuted . But as the above mentioned article suggest , innocent people should not be targeted because of their race or religion.
I am not a terrorist and I should not be targeted and treated unfairly and unjustly.
I need your assistance desperately in my case, as I believe that I am being treated unjustly here. I would like to send you my attorney’s contact information and provide you with legal documents related to my case, so that you may become more familiar with my situation.

Please also note, that I appeared in the court , for no guilty of my 2nd superseding indictment on Aug 02, 2006 and on Aug 03, 2006 FBOP officials placed me in the SHU (Segregation Housing Unit) out of these months, I placed in the SHU isolation from Aug 03, 2006 to March 6, 2007 for unknown “Pending Investigation” in these 215 days of my segregation and isolation, I don’t have a single phone call access to my family, no legal calls to my attorney and Canadian Council, my legal mail opened in my absence, no medical treatment for my injured shoulder (even I went for hunger strike for 3 and half day) I harassed by the various jail officials and lot of other problems too which already been submitted in the attention of the FBOP higher authorities, but no action taken on them, after writing the court, instead of receiving the response or any action on my complaints, jail officials removed /moved me from MDC federal facility to Nassau County Jail .
My suffering has gone on for far too long, and I need your help to bring my suffering to an end. I want to return home to my family, because my imprisonment was injustice and will remain a great injustice forever.

May God bless you and be with you in your efforts to champion the cause of human rights, and the suffering of innocent prisoners and restore hope, faith and love to peoples all over the world.

Sincerely,

KHALID AWAN
FBOP NO. 50959-054


Cristina, Brazil :

"Civilization, in the real sense of the term, consists not in the multiplication but in the deliberate and voluntary reduction of wants." (Gandhi)

"It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err".(Gandhi)

I do think that your quest can find a sound start for reflexivity and perhaps even anwers on these two thoughts by Gandhi -- by the way , one of the greatest non-Western mean of our time...and a non-western one!

If these words are thoroughly analysed, you will find the answers...and they come fromwithin, not fro without.

However, since the Wetern culture is not so famous for its capacity to provide individuals able of critical self-analysis, then the Bakshi's endeavour may helt as you cannot (it looks like) do it without external help.

Talking in general terms, I do not think that there is hatred against the American people, but against the US foreign policies, in particular. Then is only necessary to read the first thought by Gandhi annexed here. By reading it, you might hopefully understand that what the most of the world resents is that the US systematically ignores the other peoples, the other cultures, religious, creeds....what is considred civilised or democratic it is only so if (the conditional) in accordance to the US expectatation and wants.

Here lies the main problem regarding the US relations to the rest of the world. If you still do not see why, then this is a lost case. No Bakshir, no self this and that will make for your incapacity to grasp what concerns you at the moment. IF you a denial state sits in...forget any chance of redemption. There is simply none.

You must reconsider....everything. Gandhi also said: "You must be the change you want to see in the world"...and that is why I understand that the answers come from within...and not from without. But trying something is better thatn do nothing.

No damage is permanent. However, the bigger the damage, the bigger the effort and the will to overcome it.

One of the damages that US will struggle to recover are two: CREDIBILITY and RESPECT. Unfortunately, I see you as having lost the two and they are not conquered by force, or imposed, or bargained....Others must grant them to you spotaneously. You have a fight ahead. I believe that this situation can be overcome but you must also reposition yourseves in this new world with challenges greatly more complex than regional wars. Get yourseves apt for these as the world needs you. We need each other. This is fraternal. Enough hatred, mistrust. Enough. There must be Americas reading this that will understand my point without much questioning.

Poor is the nation that sets its foundation on unquestioned, unchallenged and deterministic principles. The world changes and such a nation canot follow it....soon or later...it will not follow. Think of it. This is a friendly message.

Anju Chandel, New Delhi, India :

Well, I personally have a serious grudge against the United States of America for vetoing SHASHI THAROOR's prospects for UNSG as he was The Most Suitable Man to adorn that highest diplomatic post in the world!

Anju Chandel, New Delhi, India :

Well, not in India at least. In fact the views about America have improved considerably since the market reforms introduced in 1991 by our current prime minister Man Mohan Singh as the finance minister then, which led to the incredible rise of the Indian IT industry and the IT professionals in the US. This helped a great deal in forming a favourable impression about the US in India as "The Dream Destination". Moreover, if the Civil Nuclear Deal gets through, the US would be treated as a real friend! ... Nevertheless, Indians did not support the US on Iraq's invasion and will continue to oppose its bullish foreign policies.

Anju Chandel, New Delhi, India :

Well, not in India at least. In fact the views about America have improved considerably since the market reforms introduced in 1991 by our current prime minister Man Mohan Singh as the finance minister then, which led to the incredible rise of the Indian IT industry and the IT professionals in the US. This helped a great deal in forming a favourable impression about the US in India as "The Dream Destination". Moreover, if the Civil Nuclear Deal gets through, the US would be treated as a real friend! ... Nevertheless, Indians did not support the US on Iraq's invasion and will continue to oppose its bullish foreign policies.

Anju Chandel, New Delhi, India :

Well, not in India at least. In fact the views about America have improved considerably since the market reforms introduced in 1991 by our current prime minister Man Mohan Singh as the finance minister then, which led to the incredible rise of the Indian IT industry and the IT professionals in the US. This helped a great deal in forming a favourable impression about the US in India as "The Dream Destination". Moreover, if the Civil Nuclear Deal gets through, the US would be treated as a real friend! ... Nevertheless, Indians did not support the US on Iraq's invasion and will continue to oppose its bullish foreign policies.

MikeB :

This will likely surprise people who know me, but I think that there is absolutely nothing we can do about America bashing. Right now, everyone blames Bush and Iraq and American corporations and their boundless greed. These indeed are awful and immoral things and we deserve the enimity of the world for them. But, during good times, when we literallly saved Europe in World War II, during the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe, when the dollar was strong and economy not a basket case, we were dispised for being coarse and without class. "The ugly American" is everyone's favorite target. It makes no difference that American's, at least from what I have observed, are generally kind and generous with their money and open in ther friendliness, or that the worst clodhoppers I observed in Europe and elsewhere have always been European's.... like the group of drunken Austrian's that ruined a performance of CATS, or the rude English, or the fact that the only time I have been mugged at gunpoint was in London, that my wife and daughter were harrassed and called names and threatened in Sweden, the hordes of sexual predators that descend on the brothels in Thailand. What we can do is put our own house in order, live the sort of moral lives that we American's almost instinctively understand (and *insist* that our fellow Amercian's do likewise; especially our politicians and corporations), and just ignore the persistant anti-americanism we see as ignorance and jealousy. God Bless America! Let's get back to being the moral "old ladies" of the world.

MikeB :

This will likely surprise people who know me, but I think that there is absolutely nothing we can do about America bashing. Right now, everyone blames Bush and Iraq and American corporations and their boundless greed. These indeed are awful and immoral things and we deserve the enimity of the world for them. But, during good time, when we literallly saved Europe in World War II, during the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe, when the dollar was strong and economy not a basket case, we were dispised for being coarse and without class. "The ugly American" is everyone's favorite target. It makes no difference that American's, at least from what I have observed, are generally kind and generous with their money and open in ther friendliness, or that the worst clodhoppers I observed in Europe have always been European's.... like the group of drunken Austrian's that ruined a performance of CATS, or the rude English, or the fact that the only time I have been mugged at gunpoint was in London, that my wife and daughter were harrassed and called names and threatened in Sweden. What we can do is put our own house in order, live the sort of moral lives that we American's almost instinctively understand (and *insist* that our fellow Amercian's do likewise; especially our politicians and corporations), and just ignore the persistant anti-americanism we see as ignorance and jealousy. God Bless America! Let's get back to being the moral "old ladies" of the world.

daniel the borg a.k.a the hidden communist :

diversity is futile... you will be assimilated
diversity is futile... you will be assimilated
diversity is futile... you will be assimilated

daniel :

I hope he asks detailed questions like:

Would you marry someone of another religion?
How do you feel about a more qualified person getting a job you wanted?
Would you marry someone of another race?
What exactly do you mean by laws?
What exactly do you mean by religion?
What exactly do you mean by state?
What exactly do you mean by economics?

The world is getting smaller every day. The question is the political order which best integrates various peoples, religions, etc.

The United States strives to put religion at bay (make it essentially private--separation of church and state) and has a complex economic order which strives to be meritocratic. But we can already see how difficult it is to put racial, religious, ethnic divisions, etc. aside in America in that each American seems to compensate for what is lost by rampant individuality, consumption, etc.

No one it seems has articulated how to or even what we are supposed to be headed toward if we put racial, religious, ethnic, etc. divisions aside.

Ideally I suppose we will arrive at a society which rapidly increases in its understanding of all the individual types of humans possible (which is many and based on genetic combinations) and all the combinations possible of these humans working together. But we are far from that today.

We need data of what each person, race, nation, ethnic group, civilization, etc. thinks, believes in, etc. etc. and then we need to create a world civilization out of this disparity. Certainly much will be lost, much altered, just as we view changes in art, etc.

I doubt the world will decisively be globalized without a fusing of civilizations in a type of order which makes the economics over the whole secure rather than a thin series of rapidly lost transactions in perpetual cultural enmity and difference.

I care little of what the world thinks of the U.S. I care what each person, nation, etc. conceives the coming world to be--what the artistic, political, economic, philosophical vision of the coming world must be to overcome the differences which now exist.

What we are now must pass. We must create what we must become--and so far it seems we do not have a single choice which is the total imaginative fusing of ourselves let alone alternatives.

What we have rather are conflicting ethnic groups, conflicting civilizations, conflicting races, conflicting religions, conflicting economic classes, etc.

All is quite chaotic and it makes little difference to me what the world thinks of the U.S.

But I can tell you that the U.S. by necessity has been thinking about the problem of coordinating all the conflicting aspects of man. The question is whether the rest of the world wants to join in this effort.

But data--we need more data. And we need the conversation to be an honest and natural political philosophy.

John :

The United States will always be welcome when it keeps it's mouth shut and wallet open. Any other condition will cause trouble. As long as Americans understand that, they should have no trouble seeing the right thing to do. As for Leo from Mexico worrying about the violence that's being imported (???) from the United States, my recommendation is to close your borders, senor. Close them tight. Build a wall.

And as for your issues with losing California, et al, considering Mexico's history, that's really the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?

Anonymous :

I'm an american and this gives me the opportunity to do a little self reflection. Honestly, I think the world loves America itself, or the idea of what America should be.

However, much of the world is anti-american government, and with the current white house, who can blame them? But there should be the distinction there, because we do have an administration with an approval rating under 40%. America and its people are much different from its government. They are elected officials, but these elected officials have learned how to maneuver inside the system and many times the choices in the electorate are incredibly poor. And sometimes you even get presidents that the country didn't really elect. Case in point.

So we shouldn't be judged too harshly. There are many ignorant Americans, the difference that separates them from the rest of the world is that most of them are living above absolute poverty. But as far as our administration goes..........judage away. We are judging too.

oceanictruths@gmail.com :

The best way to understand this is by using the analogy of AT&T which got broken into many little bells by the anti-monopoly forces. Anti-americanism is in the final analysis an anti-monopoly movement triggered by the natural response of people to monopolies of any kind. This has happened throughout history with the ebb and flow of various historical powers. Nothing is new or unexpected in this. Although it is dissappointing that America let these forces swell up to this level so quickly. Now that is just poor management and judgement at the top!

pgr :

Thanks to George Bush for not letting Brazilians, Mexicans, Irananians or anyone else dictate what is in the best interest of the USA. I have lived for decades in Asia and Mid-east and find that the most complaining about the USA from the outside comes from people who know nothing about it. Their dissaffection comes from their own country's problems, and it is soothing to swallow the well-worn myths and cliches about big-bad Uncle Sam.

pgr :

Thanks to George Bush for not letting Brazilians, Mexicans, Irananians or anyone else dictate what is in the best interest of the USA. I have lived for decades in Asia and Mid-east and find that the most complaining about the USA from the outside comes from people who know nothing about it. Their dissaffection comes from their own country's problems, and it is soothing to swallow the well-worn myths and cliches about big-bad Uncle Sam.

Anonymous :

Let's face it: Everyone knows, we're told over and over again, by friends and enemies, that most of the destestation of the US, and our troble in Iraq, is due to our Israeli policy.
Our position in the world won't change until we change that. And since Israel keeps attacking her neighbors for "defense" and wants Palestine instead of peace with Palestine,and Bush keeps shoveling in money for armaments, good luck with that.

Anonymous :

Let's face it: Everyone knows, we're told over and over again, by friends and enemies, that most of the destestation of the US, and our troble in Iraq, is due to our Israeli policy.
Our position in the world won't change until we change that. And since Israel keeps attacking her neighbors for "defense" and wants Palestine instead of peace with Palestine,and Bush keeps shoveling in money for armaments, good luck with that.

Anonymous :

Let's face it: Everyone knows, we're told over and over again again, by friends and enemies, that most of the destestation of the US, and our troble in Iraq, is due to our Israeli policy.
Our position in the world won't change until we change that. And since Israel keeps attacking her neighbors for "defense" and wants Palestine instead of peace with Palestine,and Bush keeps shoveling in money for armaments, good luck with that.

Salamon :

BobL VA;

I agree with your "UNPOPULARITY" analysis, but for the single omission that it was the USA citizens who reelected Bush and Co. I do not judge the USa Citizens as harshly for their error as I judge Bush.Co, for I believe that Carl Rove and Bush managed to scare the daylight out of thye USA electorate and fear overcame rationality.

On the question of repairing the damage caused in the last 6 years, I hope you are right. There is an elephant which might interfere in this process: the willingness or unwillingness of the USA Citizensry to adjust to lower living standards in the coming years. The lowering will be driven by three factors, first global warming which will rake large investment away from living standards; second, the limit of the earth's resources vis-a-vis 6.5 billion people - the USA will not be able to call on 25% of the resources with less than 5% of the population; finally, third, is the philosophy of living on the hog, with ever growing debt both on national economic terms and on the private terms.
Most dangerous area of the debt issue is a possible sudden fiancial shock to Hedge Fund/Prive Takeover industries where the total amount of DEBT exceed the USA's GDP for a number of years. Thus, even small shocks can have disproportionate effects, especially on the poorer segment of society - that is ON the majority.

BobL-VA :

It's no secret George Bush/Dick Cheney are extremely unpopular both at home and abroad. That fact is unlikely to change in the next 20 months. The current administration has seriously damaged US prestige around the globe. Without a doubt the worst of those offenses was the suspension of the Geneva Accords and the torture of prisioners(?). This issue went to the very core of what the US said they stood for as a nation. We threw away civil liberties, civil rights, the rule of law (both nationally and internationally) because of hand full of terrorists. We treated prisioners, with or without proof of guilt, as non persons and engaged in just about every conceivable inhumane technique known to mankind to illicit information from them. We denied our prisioners due process, rights to counsel and habeus corpus. In essence we turned uglier then the people we were supposed to be fighting.

The world got to watch while we engaged in an international McCarthy style witch hunt and it has been ugly to witness. I know a minority of people will argue we're at war and therefore we're only doing what every other president in past wars has done. I could almost buy this argument is we were actually at war. Which, by the way, we are not. We're not technically at war and not realistically engaged in any war either. Iraq war operations were concluded 4 years with Bush's declaring victory. We won according to him. Too bad he had to stay and make an absolute mess of it through the poorest planning imaginable. Any action we're currently engaged in at best can be described as a policing action. It's impossible to have a "War on Terror." This term is nonsensical. We can't even define terror let alone have a war on it. We can police illegal acts, but that's as far as we can go legally.

The US under the Bush administration threw away all of the sympathy and good will from 9/11 with policies that showed the rest of the world we have the means and inclination to act as barbaric as anyone else on this planet. Is this damage to our image permanent? I doubt it. It will take some time to repair, but it is repairable. All the US has to do is start acting like a country that really believes in Democratically elected governments and the rule of law and live accordingly for about 20 years and Iraq will be a footnote much like McCarthy became a footnote in US history.

Leo CP (Mexico City) :

As mexicans, we have complex and ambivalent feelings about USA. By first tenths of millions of mexicans (or people with mexican background) live in the USA and make our economy work with their money transfers. So, we live and love you're culture and have certain envy about the way you respect the law and preserve order (against the chaos prevalent in Mexico).

And by the way, USA is our neighbor whom we have to live with every day, sending them our people and tons of drugs and receiving their money and guns, which nurture the violence which corrodes our society.

But in the other side, it has passed more than than a century and a half of the 1847 war, where we lost half of our territory (California, New MExico, Texas, Colorado, Nevada, etc) and let me say that this is a scar which still hurts. It's one of the big issues taught in national history courses at school and we are fed with a mixture of mistrust and fear about "gringos" who once came as invaders.

It's dificult to define a commong view of USA from Mexico, but maybe the better term could be "troublesome but necessary".

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