If theories about climate change are right, people 1OO years from now will be enraged we haven't done much more to reduce carbon emissions. So, getting radical, what "direct action" should we take?
Posted by Miriam Leitao and David Ignatius on February 1, 2007 8:00 AM

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Don't worry. Once the Democrats win the White House, no one will be complaining anymore, even when the Dems do nothing.
This whole global warming garbage was just a reason to bash Bush. Nothing more.
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April 20, 2007 4:24 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Of course globalm warming theory is right. A small calculation is that 200 Gigatons of Carbon in the atmospher come from human activity among a total of 750 Gt according to the scientifics). So my point is that we have to set a tax ob carbon that we emi in the atmosphere (same price whatever rich or poor you are) but also we have to pay for the initial damage already done (the 200Gt). This damage should be shared between the countries according to theit past activity. OK it will be tough to get an agreement, but globally the rich countries will have to pay back to the poor ones and this is agood start point for a world wide agreement.
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Global Warming? That's not new in history!
THOR is right! The Gore preaches water and drinks wine!
February 22, 2007 6:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Global Warming? That's not new in history! http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/specmap_graph.html
THOR is right! The Gore preaches water and drinks wine!
February 22, 2007 6:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Global Warming? That's not new in history! http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/specmap_graph.html
THOR is right! The Gore preaches water and drinks wine! http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
February 22, 2007 6:56 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Block the worthless hot air coming out of Al Gore's big mouth and giant ass (and while you are at it, muzzle all the other worthless Hollywood Hypocrites, who pollute the earth 100 times more than the averaGE CITIZEN, living in 30-50,000 sqft mansions and flying private jets, and you will have made a huge reduction to greenhouse gases and the alleged global warming.
February 20, 2007 4:55 PM | Report Offensive Comments
How about everyone, EVERYONE, taking a strain on this issue. Taxing big, bad industry is not going to solve this one alone. Spending zillions for new technology is not going to solve this one alone. The unhappy truth is that every member of the planet is going to have to take a strain. That means, no SUVs (OR LAND ROVERS, you lefties...), less consumption, less driving, more accommodation (dare I say, mass transit?) You know, all those things that do not appeal to the AlGore notivitiates, but will have to be done. So, get ready to suck it up. That is, if you really want the changes you say are needed.
February 20, 2007 8:12 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Federal carbon taxes are needed ASAP
$5/barrel on imported oil
$5/ton on coal
5 cents/gallon on gasoline
5% on imported product made with carbon energy
This would help to balance the deficit, and make carbon energy slightly less easy to waste
$30 per ton for carbon was suggested but may be too high for right now.
A 1$ per standing tree over 12 feet annual tax credit would discourage gratititous land clearing
February 19, 2007 11:00 PM | Report Offensive Comments
This below is the best how I have ever read.
Emitted fossil fuel carbon should be "nagative currency" and exchanged with real money to redress the imbalance between nature and mankind.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16668559
Abstract
This paper builds a basic theory of Carbon-Money Exchange in which carbon as currency in nature's household (ecosystems) and money as currency in humankind's household (economy) are exchanged just like in a foreign exchange. The simple chemical equation below makes it possible CO[2] → C + O[2]= C + O[2] → CO[2]. The left-hand side represents the work of plants to remove atmospheric CO[2]. The right-hand side represents the work of humans as fossil fuel consumers to produce it. The exchange of the two currencies is possible by copying the fossil fuel market. The paper concludes that this new exchange can automatically contain global warming and deforestation, replacing onerous emissions trading. Moreover, it could revolutionize the conventional economy, creating counter-capitalism, or carbonism
February 8, 2007 2:41 AM | Report Offensive Comments
BobL
Samuelson is an excellent columnist whether the subject is global warming or illegal/legal immigration of unskilled, uneducated immigrants, etc.
February 7, 2007 10:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
BobL
Samuelson is an excellent columnist whether the subject is global warming or illegal/legal immigration of unskilled, uneducated immigrants, etc.
February 7, 2007 10:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Natural climate fluctuation during the current interglacial (which likely has thousands of years remaining) has been relatively mild, with the exception of a few regional events.
Obviously, though, we can't "stop" even human-caused/accelerated climate change. We already have a significant and lasting CO2 accumulation, and thermal inertia means we have yet to see the full atmospheric effect of recent emissions. But what we CAN do is limit it's progression. Doing next to nothing means risking change at the upper-end of the projection scenarios.
February 7, 2007 5:59 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Stop climate change? Perhaps we should make it so there's no difference between summer and winter, as well - we'll fix the tilt of the earth! And when we're done that, we can make it so the temperature stays constant at all hours of the day - at a cozy 15 degrees C!
Or we could recognize that climate change is natural, necessary, and desirable...
February 7, 2007 5:17 PM | Report Offensive Comments
As a member in good standing of the Order Blattodea, Phylum of Arthropda, I would posit that humans should do absolutely nothing to address the problem of global warming. As members of the Order of Primates, Phylum of Chordata, you humans have firmly established your reputation for destructive behavior, both self-destructive and destructive of other forms of life and the environment.
Since you first appeared approximately 200,000 years ago, you so-called 'modern' humans have engaged in and accelerated behaviors that have threatened the survival of other life forms and -- on more than one occasion -- resulted in the actual extinction of other species. Your overriding preoocupations with self-interest and self-gratfication routinely blind you to the exigency for you to 'leave small footprints on the planet." Instead you stomp around the planet, foolishly believing that you are the indestructible masters of all you survey. One can only conclude that most humans are incurably deaf, dumb and blind to any reasoned approach to a shared existence with other species on this world.
We Cockroaches have been around since the Carboniferous period, between 354-295 million years ago. Over that period, we have shared the planet with thousands of other species of life and never, until the appearance of humans, have we witnessed any other species so negatively impact the planet's ecosystem. The air befouled, the waters polluted, the land poisoned or sterilized; these are the legacies of humanity. Yet, it is we Cockroaches who have been cast as disease carrying vermin, a germ vector plague on the land, a species to be stomped, swatted and sprayed out of existence. Well, global warming may correct this injustice.
So, I encourage you to continue your endless debates over global warming. Please feel free to ignore overwhelming scientific evidence of climate change. Don't become a signatory country to Kyoto. Buy your SUVs, build your pollluting factories, clear cut your rain forests and, generally, engage in every manner of self- and group destructive behavoir that you desire or can imagine. In one hundred, two hundred or a thousand years, we of the Order of Blattodea, Phylum of Arthropoda will be around to pick up the pieces. After all, we Cockroaches can survive a nuclear winter, so we are confident that we can survive global warming. Out of hiding shall we come, out of darkness shall we emerge!
February 7, 2007 3:56 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I agree that the Samuelson editorial today in the WP is pretty good - with the exception of a high oil tax to prod Americans to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles. And he thinks that a "cap and trade" idea is non-workable! A huge regressive tax on virtually everybody in the US is a non-starter. Why not expand the tax incentives to buy hybrids?
February 7, 2007 2:45 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Tom,
If you look at the mess Iraq is in today there are only 2 plausible explanations. First, Bush lied, twisted or deceived the American public about weapons of mass destruction as an excuse to invade Iraq for regime change. Second, Bush is just incompetent. Either way it doesn't bode well for this administration and that's why his approval rating is hovering around 30%. (It should be noted 30% of the American public still believes the moon is made out of cheese and Elvis is singing at a local 7/11 somewhere in the mid-west this evening)
Back to the issue of global warming. Did you read the Samuelson editorial today in the WP? Personally, I thought he nailed the issue.
February 7, 2007 9:57 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Hi Tom: here is the link to Virginia Tilley's 'One State Solution'
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n21/till01_.html
February 7, 2007 5:03 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Salamon
"...The Libby fiasco and many recent publications clearly indicate that the President /Vice President of the USA were DECEIVING the USA and the world about WMD -- Calling a spade a spade is to be commended, rather than be beefed at..."
Bush didn't lie about WMDs. When the head of the CIA says there are WMDs, then, as President, you must act on the best information available, and, as you know, Salamon, intelligence is the CIA's primary function.
From the LA Times, 1/12/07, George Tenet was the director of the CIA during the Clinton and Bush administrations. His information to President Bush was wrong. It was an intelligence failure. I agree with you "call a spade a spade". Below is part of a conversation between Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski (D-Md.) and Negraponte:
"..."…We're very far from the 'slam dunk' your predecessor promised," said Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski (D-Md.), referring to former CIA Director George J. Tenet's certainty, expressed in a comment to Bush weeks before the invasion, that Iraq possessed banned weapons…”..."
February 6, 2007 11:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Mary
Since PostGlobal lost the last two pages from the question "When, if ever, will political turmoil derail the world economy? Give us evidence from where you live.", I do not have the site you recommended I read on the single state solution for Israel and the Palestinians.
I wonder if you wouldn't mind posting it again. I really appreciate it. Thanks.
Tom
February 6, 2007 11:12 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Salamon
"...the failed states you talk about: One is in North America, where the rule of law is totally corrupted by your fine neo-con fascist leadership [ Constituttional, international and criminal]; the other is Israel, which was in constant war for the last 60 years without being able [or wanting to] look for peace..."
Another joke Salamon?
February 6, 2007 10:22 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Salamon
"...the failed states you talk about: One is in North America, where the rule of law is totally corrupted by your fine neo-con fascist leadership [ Constituttional, international and criminal]; the other is Israel, which was in constant war for the last 60 years without being able [or wanting to] look for peace..."
Another joke Salamon?
February 6, 2007 10:21 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/prayer.htm
February 6, 2007 8:31 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Reverend, I heard that when Jesus advised his disciples on how to pray he said for them to go someplace where they would be quiet and he gave the Lord's prayer as an example of how to pray. If this is true how come you need a congregation?
February 6, 2007 7:56 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Dear editor,
Since 9-11-2001 many people who were attending church have either stopped going or go only every once in a while. This great nation of ours was founded by the blood, sweat, and tears of men and women who believed the republic they were building could not survive without the leading and direction of God. And they were right. Psalm 33:12 says "Blessed is the nation whose God is Jehovah."
And Psalm 117:1 says " Oh praise Jehovah all ye nations; laud Him all ye peoples."
Mr. editor, not only is our nation told to praise God but His word says to praise Him in church, for in Psalm 149:1 Gods word says "Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and His praise in the assembly of the saints. Also Hebrews 10:24,25 says "Let us consider one another, to provoke unto love and good works; not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another, and so much more as you see the day approaching."
The reference to the day approaching Mr. editor is a reference to the days of the end times. And with the war in Iraq, the soon coming war with Iran, all the natural disasters like the recent tornado damage in Florida, and all the other signs of the times, I don't think any one can say were not living in the end times.
Mr. editor, if the people of this great nation don't turn back to God, then this may not be such a great nation much longer, for Gods word says in Psalm 9:17 " The wicked shall be turned back unto hell, even all the nations that forget God." My prayer for the greatest nation on earth is that her people will return unto their God before He turns His back on America, like America has turned her back on God.
Rev. Tony Eden
February 6, 2007 3:23 PM | Report Offensive Comments
daniel :
Not being Evangelical Christian, I am unaware of all the changes attributed by these groups to common English terms. It appears that my education misses on some subleity of the English language - I guess it will stay that way. I will stick to old fashioned meaning of words, and disregard any spin terms or politically correct terms. Aside from the above ... the failed states you talk about: One is in North America, where the rule of law is totally corrupted by your fine neo-con fascist leadership [ Constituttional, international and criminal]; the other is Israel, which was in constant war for the last 60 years without being able [or wanting to] look for peace.
NAME CALLING WILL GET YOU NOWHERE, though such actions reflect negatively on your personality.
James Danley :
I was aware of that topic also in Science magazines. Further research showed that the reasons for the temp drop over Earth at that time was due to particulate matter in the higher stratosphere due to vulcanic erruptions and smog/flourocarbontes etc. Further:
while I did not read that particular article, I am aware that there is some worry that North Europe will suffer from drop in winter temperature due to possible changes in the Westerly winds and in the Gulf-stream. I take the view of the ICPP with respect to total warming of the North. Was not too long ago that I went to Alaska again, and the destruction brought by heat is quite noticable even in the lower parts -- road damage, property damage due to deep thawing, where solid ice is replaced by water then a hole. Quite scary, I assure you. From reading Russian websites, and recalling Canadian reports, it appears that the greatest temperature change from long term average appears in the North, with aspen, larch etc creeping northward by over a 100 km in recent times.
February 5, 2007 8:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Salamon:
You misunderstood my comment. I wasn't referring to a one time cooling event, but rather a serious debate and warning of a possible coming ice age. See Time Magazine's article entitled, "Another Ice Age," from June 24, 1974 (http://www.junkscience.com/mar06/Time_AnotherIceAge_June241974.pdf) as one example.
February 5, 2007 7:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
To Salamon from Daniel. Stop being silly Salamon. You know damn well that putting DECEIVER in caps like that means "Satan". It is one thing to point out deceptions, quite another to use the language of religion which extremists use (quite another thing to put things according to a particular worldview--especially a medieval one). Or is it that you believe Bush to be Satan himself? To put things bluntly Salamon, no one needs your help pointing out corruption in U.S. government. It was we ourselves, we Americans, who first pointed things out, and it is we ourselves that are still working on the problem. I consider you nothing more than a bitter old man Salamon--a loser. We might as well call you Salamon the low Hungarian dog. It is quite obvious you hate the U.S. with a passion. And you might want to explain to your friend Zolton that no, I am not afraid of Hungarians as if afraid of Attila. Has it been that long that there has been a Hungarian of significance? You Hungarians are a joke. The sad thing is I never had a problem with Hungary before. I guess I just never knew how much bitterness was lurking in the dark. What a comedy you Hungarians reflecting on world problems when really what history of significance have you ever had...Failed against the Soviets, hate the U.S.--at odds with really everything. Your Attila failed against the Romans. One long history of failure...And we should take your views seriously? Tell me something about the U.S. Salamon that we did not expose first about ourselves--do that Salamon and I might take you seriously. I have not read a single thing you have written that has not come from our own mouths...But you act as if all the criticisms of validity have come from elsewhere and that the U.S. has never criticized itself...Tell me something original about ourselves Salamon--and do me a personal favor and psychoanalyze me...I love hearing about myself...But I am still waiting to hear your response to my opinion of the "golden rule" of morality you talked about on the last postglobal question....
February 5, 2007 6:27 PM | Report Offensive Comments
James Danley:
With respect to the cold spell in 1970.. latest news that the effect of Flourocarbons [Air conditioning/cleaning electric components] and some major vulcanic erauptions caused it [too much particulate in the higher stratosphere reinfoced the albido effect].
Tom:
Both ExxonMobil and American Enterprize Inst. did do admit [Exxon cancelled since then] that they were paying for DENIAL articles - of Global Warming.
If you can not see the joke in that posting, then you must really believe that there is a possibility of a US/China war.
Considering that Halliburton is well implicated in fraud by the recent reports on IRaqi reconstruction, considering that Mr. Cheney still gets paid by the same company, considering that the famous meeting of Cheny and US oil compnies whose discussions are state secret [as ascertained by USA courts] I would not put it past your leadership to go any length with wars to defend the oil interst. The recent sable rattling against China seems to indicate that things are not as well as they used to be - the change occured after China showed that the USA satellites are NOT SAFE [1., a USA sattelite was lit up by Chine Laser, 2., then a Chiese Satellite was blown up by Chinese rocket]
Daniel:
The Libby fiasco and many recent publications clearly indicate that the President /Vice President of the USA were DECEIVING the USA and the world about WMD -- Calling a spade a spade is to be commended, rather than be beefed at.
To the DENIERS:
It was explaned on many sites that the IPCC will release a study REFUTING ALL DENIAL THEORIES in May 2007, and the book will be published in the USA in June.
February 5, 2007 3:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
James Danley:
With respect to the cold spell in 1970.. latest news that the effect of Flourocarbons [Air conditioning/cleaning electric components] and some major vulcanic erauptions caused it [too much particulate in the higher stratosphere reinfoced the albido effect].
Tom:
Both ExxonMobil and American Enterprize Inst. did do admit [Exxon cancelled since then] that they were paying for DENIAL articles - of Global Warming.
If you can not see the joke in that posting, then you must really believe that there is a possibility of a US/China war.
Considering that Halliburton is well implicated in fraud by the recent reports on IRaqi reconstruction, considering that Mr. Cheney still gets paid by the same company, considering that the famous meeting of Cheny and US oil compnies whose discussions are state secret [as ascertained by USA courts] I would not put it past your leadership to go any length with wars to defend the oil interst. The recent sable rattling against China seems to indicate that things are not as well as they used to be - the change occured after China showed that the USA satellites are NOT SAFE [1., a USA sattelite was lit up by Chine Laser, 2., then a Chiese Satellite was blown up by Chinese rocket]
Daniel:
The Libby fiasco and many recent publications clearly indicate that the President /Vice President of the USA were DECEIVING the USA and the world about WMD -- Calling a spade a spade is to be commended, rather than be beefed at.
To the DENIERS:
It was explaned on many sites that the IPCC will release a study REFUTING ALL DENIAL THEORIES in May 2007, and the book will be published in the USA in June.
February 5, 2007 3:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
This is the real question:
In the month leading up to The IPCC report, I noticed a huge upswing on "Global Warming" stories.
That's no accident.
Anyone in the media had to notice it, and certainly someone with a heavy media background was orchestrating it.
The only question is: who?
The media knows the answer to this, but hasn't told us yet.
While its certainly right to question those who cast doubt on the science of global warming, its equally important to ask who is pushing the science of global warming.
Yes; millions are spent on scientists who cast doubt.
But BILLIONS are spent on research that endorses global warming. IPCC stands for International Panel For Climate Change. Does anyone expect a group with that name to come foward and say, "Hey, the climate isn't changing"?
-John
February 5, 2007 9:59 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Daniel, watch-out, we're going to invade you ! There are already 3 hungarians posting here, Attila is coming again. He was worse than all muslims combined.
February 5, 2007 5:48 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Salamon
Maybe you ought to thank Exxon for providing the world (including Canada) with so much energy instead of the old "slam the coorporation" routine. I imagine the Canadian government is getting their fair share in taxes from Exxon developments in Canada (below).
From ExxonMobil Canada Ltd. site:
"...Within EMC, ...the work our employees are engaged in affects virtually everyone in the country (Canada)... Here are just some of the exciting Canadian projects we're involved in:
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The Sable Offshore Energy Project - the first offshore natural gas project in Canada and the single largest construction project in the history of Nova Scotia
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Hibernia - a 1,100 million barrel oil development on the Grand Banks off the coast of Newfoundland
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Terra Nova - the second Grand Banks project, containing at least 370 million barrels of oil
We also have bright future plans that include an impressive offshore exploration portfolio encompassing the Orphan Basin off the coast of Newfoundland and Labrador...."
You say:
"...for Iraq war will be still going strong, with added benefit of a war with Iran, and possibly China if the Chinese insist on trying to cut into the oil business at the detriment of EXXON, HALIBURTON and similar public gauging, subsidy demanding friends of the Earth..."
Are you saying the US will go to war with China over Exxon and Halliburton losing business to Chinese interest? Where do you get these ideas?
February 5, 2007 12:42 AM | Report Offensive Comments
There is no global warming, the hot air we experiencing is coming straith from Washington.
As long as we have oil in the earth the oil companies will make shure there will be no substantial amount of alternative energy utilised due to the fact they (oil Co.) owns most of the patents of relating to alternative energy.
It is an outright conspiracy and enviromental TERRORISM to exploit the earth population in the name of the O'l Mighty $$$$.
The majority of us already know Bush and his criminals he surrending hinself are oil soaked vampires. (leaches..)
In order to solve the ever increasing energy needs we shall not look farther than the sea vawe energy, one sq.ft of vawe raising to 3 ft. hight cointain 1 KW of energy.
Harvesting it not only benifite the humanity but greatly would benifite the marine life by oxygenating sea water what's already being proven very benificial to the marine life.
I'm presently working on a conceptual design what even a third world country would be able to build inexpensivly with localy available materials.
As long as the Moon and the aerth revole around the same gravitational force this energy source will be perpetual.
All the best...Andras
Ps Yes, you may correct my English...
February 4, 2007 9:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
After nuclear bombs and global terrorism, the current level of unpredictable, unprecedented and unchecked degradation in the world climate has the maximum potential to threaten humans’ existence on our earth. All countries need to converge on this important issue and act fast if we do not want humanity to get relegated into the pages of history and, our great great … grandchildren to re-ignite fire and re-invent wheel all over again!
February 4, 2007 12:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
I have no doubt that greenhouse emissions and the increased population have a warming effect. But there is one thing that puzzles me. While we are in this global warming trend, how is it that we still see occasional all-time record low temperatures being set? Back in the 1970s, some scientists and mainstream media outlets were warning of a pending ice age. Were they wrong then? Are they wrong now? Or could it be that they are really both right? A handful of scientists believe, that the real culprit in climate change is from cosmic rays. That an increase in cosmic rays causes additional clouding which results in cooling. Or the reverse, a decrease in cosmic rays reduces clouding which results in warming. Maybe the greenhouse emissions are actually postponing the next ice age? Maybe before we roll back greenhouse emissions to 1980 levels we better find out!
February 4, 2007 11:05 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Back to the basics (continued)...
POPULATION.
Every human being:
- consumes water, oxygen,
- sends CO2 into the atmosphere,
- uses land,
- needs energy,
- consumes other natural resources such as timber and minerals,
- produces waste,
- contributes to the extintion of other species (pollution, habitat destruction, hunting).
In other words, every human being is a burden for Planet Earth, a burden that goes well beyond global warming. A few examples: river pollution in India and China, desertification of the Amazon basin and Sub-Saharan Africa.
Certainly, human pressure on our environment differs greatly from one place to another. The U.S. burns lots of coal and oil; India and China produce lots of human waste; Brazil cuts lots of trees; Japan catches lots of fish; Europe exports lots of nuclear waste.
As human population grows, so does its impact on Earth. Today's massive phenomenons such as migration, war and famine are closely linked to environmental destruction and explosive population growth.
Any radical proposals?
How about getting serious about population control?
February 4, 2007 3:03 AM | Report Offensive Comments
What I think is interesting is that a Hungarian like Salamon uses the same language as Muslims (Bush the DECEIVER). I suggest U.S. security examine nations such as Hungary which are roughly analogous to Islamic nations in the sense of having suffered from both Soviet and American intentions (the cold war) to see if a similar psychology is being born...Hungary might not be Islamic but having suffered in a similar sense from similar nations might be making it sympathetic to the terrorist's cause....
February 3, 2007 10:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Is it not interesting that the Deceiver can ask for 148 billion dollars for death and destruction [a.k.a Wars in Iraq/Afganistan] but did not have any ideas regarding global warming?
Methinks the voting public [if it cares about their children/grandchildren] need to have some pointed discussion with their members of Congress.
It is also possible that the Decider has ascertained that the best way to cut the size of federal government is to ensure that Washington DC should be flooded by the Atlantic Ocean ASAP, thereby making sure that the Democrtats will not be able to govern for too long a time consequent to the Republicans burial in 2008, for Iraq war will be still going strong, with added benefit of a war with Iran, and possibly China if the Chinese insist on trying to cut into the oil business at the detriment of EXXON, HALIBURTON and similar public gauging, subsidy demanding friends of the Earth.
February 3, 2007 6:21 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Is it not interesting that the Deceiver can ask for 148 billion dollars for death and destruction [a.k.a Wars in Iraq/Afganistan] but did not have any ideas regarding global warming?
Methinks the voting public [if it cares about their children/grandchildren] need to have some pointed discussion with their members of Congress.
It is also possible that the Decider has ascertained that the best way to cut the size of federal government is to ensure that Washington DC should be flooded by the Atlantic Ocean ASAP, thereby making sure that the Democrtats will not be able to govern for too long a time consequent to the Republicans burial in 2008, for Iraq war will be still going strong, with added benefit of a war with Iran, and possibly China if the Chinese insist on trying to cut into the oil business at the detriment of EXXON, HALIBURTON and similar public gauging, subsidy demanding friends of the Earth.
February 3, 2007 6:20 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Make GM bring back the electric car they destroyed and make it available to the public. In Missouri I have not come across one single person who even knew that this car ever existed. Years later we see the movie "Who killed the electric car" and go how come we never knew about this? We all want one. No emmisions ...are you kidding. This would be a huge step in IMMEDIATELY slowing down global warming. Why would GM destroy it totally? Can't we at least try? Why was it kept from so many of us? Why can't we have it back or rather what can we do to get GM to bring it back? If you haven't seen the movie you are in for a shock..just to know we could have been driving this beauty all these years. How much more does Exxon/Mobile need (2006 profit-$39.5 Billion). Bring this car back now.
February 3, 2007 6:05 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Children all over the world are beginning to be educated about conservation, the environment, pollution, and global warming from the burning of fossil fuels except in America of all places. "An Inconvenient Truth" is being banned from showing in public schools as even an after school project. Plus, this stupid idea of creationism as stating the earth is only s few thousand years old and global warming is not in the 'bible', etc. The spreading of the idea that global warming is a myth and a conspiracy should indicate the overwhelming need for education here. My daughter came home from school and told me that God would not let global warming happen and how could it be real when there is a big blizzard in Colorado. When I explained it to her she went to school and was made fun of by peers about being stupid. America really needs unbiased education about global warming yet a child won't presently get it till he becomes an adult who has the freedom to reject misinformation. I would like to see a flood of written information that can be mailed or handed out that states documented evidence so the entire social mind set of America can be informed about the urgency for action on global warming. Believe it or not it's not currently available in our 'free' nation.
February 3, 2007 5:53 PM | Report Offensive Comments
http://www.geeskaafrika.com/somaliland_01feb07.htm
For the last two weeks, a number of trucks transporting legitimate and taxed goods to the Somali State of the Federal Republic of Ethiopia have been terrorized, ambushed, robbed, and burnt by the Al-Itihad/ONLF terrorists operating in the Somali zone state. As a result of this terrorism, Somaliland traders have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property, and millions of dollars worth of trade and taxes between the two neighboring states (Ethiopia and Somaliland).
February 3, 2007 4:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Somalia: Yemenis Tough approach towards smugglers
http://www.geeskaafrika.com/igad2020_02feb07.htm
Djibouti (HAN) February 03, 2007 - It is not clear whether the tough approach of the Yemeni authorities towards smugglers’ boats will lead to a decrease of people coming to Yemen. Since the tragedy of 28 December weeks passed without any boats arriving off the coast of Yemen
February 3, 2007 4:55 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Does anyone see the strange coincidence that global warming because of green-house effect by human emitted CO2 comes at the same time as peak-oil ?
Well, I'm working in astrophysics, and there is a very coherent explanation for that: some billion years ago our Earth's atmosphere had no oxygen and lots of CO2, and was much warmer than today, because of the green-house effect. There is a rather easy calculation, based on W/m2 received from our Sun, Earth surface, black-body radiation, albedo, and some more. 2nd grade physics university.
Then, when life appeared, and especially life on dry earth (around 300 to 400 million years ago) plants fixed that CO2 and turned it to oxygen (O2) and bio-mass through photosyntesys (you know, the chlorophylla). That bio-mass later was to become fossil hydrocarbons.
So now, basically, we're putting back into the atmosphere what had been fixed by plants some hundreds of million years ago. But while it took some hundreds of million years to be fixed, we're burning it in some few years.
That's no magic.
And there is no solution except to stop using fossil hydrocarbons. ASAP.
February 3, 2007 4:40 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Shashank Shekhar (Doha)
"We just need those solar pannels!
I hope governments of the world understand this. Are you listening Governments?"
So i am assuming that you do not have the solar panels on the roof of your place. Why not? Go buy them (you can get them online even!), convert your electrical source and help the environment. Why are you asking or waiting for the government to do this? Have you replaced your bulbs, appliances, windows and insulation? Or is everyone waiting on the governement for those things too? If people really care about the environment, they will take things into their own hands and not wait on governments to do it for them. But then, when things don't get done, it's a lot nicer to be able to blame the goverment than ourselves.
February 3, 2007 10:40 AM | Report Offensive Comments
I come from India where the government is supporting a massive drive, to reduce carbon emission. A new ministry with a complete administrative set up (it is called the ministry of renewable energy sources) has been formed to ensure promotion of renewable energy -- which comprises of solar energy, energy produced from biomass and from wind. Several organisations and individuals have also made a lot of money under "carbon credit" scheme of the United Nations (under the Kyoto protocol).
As a journalist, I have observed that such schemes basically fail at the grass root level. Solar pannels meant for distribution among problem used to land up inthe houses of local leaders. I am sure the same would not be true about the strongest democracy in the world -- which plans to reduce it's energy consumption by 20 percent by 2010. But then the steps taken to achieve this goal must be pragmatic enough. A study had earlier pointed out that the money required for the USA to shift from the the usage of carbon-dioxide emmitting fuels to hydrogen fuel would be the same as that required by the US as that for its Apollo mission to the Moon.
The benefits, of countries shifting to cleaner fuels seem to be quite goood in number.
There are some practical steps that can be immediately taken. The new fluorescent bulb used upto 80 percent less energy. There are reports that some practical steps like using proper bulbs, proper insulation of buildings, promoting usage of solar pannels and usage of better household appliances alone can help reduce energy consumption alone can reduce energy consumption by 36 percent.
Sample this : A solar electric system requires 100 square feet of area to produce 1 kw of energy. A Kilowatt, to mention, can meet the demands of an average household. We enough square feet above our heads to generate millions of KWs of energy. We just need those solar pannels!
I hope governments of the world understand this. Are you listening Governments?
February 3, 2007 9:47 AM | Report Offensive Comments
James Danley
Withouit doubt high population and the desire of population for higher standard of living is part of the problem. However, the population of the world has almost quit growing in relation to 1970 or so.:
1.,First time in history a nation's population has fallen entirely due to low fertility rate: Japan in 2006.
2., All of Europe/Russia has fertility rate well below replacement for over 40 years - without immigration it will follow Japan.
3., USA has negative growth without the illigal immigrants {USA Census Bureau 2007 data]
4., China's policy of ONE CHILD PER COUPLE [affecting over 80% of population for over 10 years indicates that her population will effectively halve in 50-60 years --- a loss of 600 million or more.
5., As living standards rise, fertility rate will drop in India, the second most populous nation on Earth; and in other nations [not even counting on probable limiting factores of GLOBAL WARMING].
So the solution of the GLOBAL WARMING will depend on equitable distribution of goods among the citizens on SPACESHIP EARTH, with drop in living standards for some, and a rise for others. The total population will not get to those numbers foreseen in 1970-80, but will propably peak in 50 years or so before starting long term deline [SANS WARS, PANDEMICS AIDS, etc]
February 2, 2007 8:12 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Since carbon dioxide represents 76% of the total greenhouse gases emitted it is getting most of the headlines as a cause for global warming. I have seen reports that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased from 280 parts per million to 380 ppm in the last 200 years. That is an increase of 35.7%. (Other reports indicate closer to a 31% increase.) A common breakdown of where man-made carbon dioxide is produced is: 33% by power plants; 33% by factories and home heating systems; 22% by cars and trucks; and 12% by major transportation. Therefore, global warming advocates, including scientists and politicians, are channeling their efforts to greatly reduce carbon dioxide emission from these producers. That all sounds great! Except there is one huge flaw in their argument. We humans inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide each time we breathe. So every couple of seconds we deplete the atmosphere of oxygen and replace it with an equal amount of carbon dioxide. The world's population has grown from 1 billion in 1800 to 6.5 billion today. That is a 650% increase. And half of that increase has occurred in just the past 40 years. Power plants, factories, home heating systems, cars, trucks and major transportion all emit carbon dioxide, but they don't also deplete the oxygen like we do with every breath. It would appear that at the current rate of growth of the world's population, that at some point in the future, even if the carbon dioxide emissions from all power plants, all home heating systems, all cars, trucks and all major transportion were eliminated, we would still have a problem with a high concentration of carbon dioxide.
February 2, 2007 7:03 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Considering the individualism and selfishness of the politicians managing the destinies of the world countries, the right measures to correct the problelms of the reduction of carbon dioxyde will never be solved. Paris just hosted a world conference on the matter, and the dangers of not solving the warming of our world has been highlighted by an alarming report from experts. As usual, at the end of the conference - remember Kyoto - the right declarations were made, but the follow up is yet to be seen. Each country realizes the dangers, but the immediate consequences - economically, politically or otherwise - which the right measures would create, will postpone the decisions which need to be taken urgently.
In fact, the world is faced with a number of problems resulting from the world politicians' reluctance to take long term views and act accordingly. They prefer to work day to day, in order to protect their reelection, and postpone the important decisions - as the french saying goes 'Après moi le déluge'!
The only solution would be to have all the countries of the world decide to meet on a specific agenda establishing ALL THE PROBLEMS of our planet - carbon dioxyde is one of them - and with the decison to call off the meeting only when unanimous decisions will have been taken on all the urgent matters, to be implemented without delay. This may seem to be a utopy, but otherwise, we have to be realistic, there will be talk, talk, talk and talk and the problems will only continue to degenerate, to the detriment of the future generations.
February 2, 2007 5:51 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Dave:
Before talking about the cost of reducing the effect of global warming, you should read the STERN REVIEW, you will find that the cost of the measures can be covered by the price of the IRaq war [or a little more] which adds up to approx 1-2% of the GDP [considearbly less than your DEFENCE budget excluding the WAR ON TERROR [a.k.a spin doctoring, for you can not have a war on terror] http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/independent_reviews/stern_review_economics_climate_change/sternreview_index.cfmror]
The website is on the Treasury of the UK.
February 2, 2007 11:42 AM | Report Offensive Comments
PK's top 10 list is definitely radical! The main issue i see is that the cost to each person/taxpayer in this country would be enormous. Implementing your suggestions would raise federal taxes, state taxes, housing prices, ground transportation prices, air transporatation prices, prices on goods moved by ground and air transportation (prices on everything!), heating/cooling prices, etc. Perceived savings that would go to funding all of this would also need to go to the increased number of poor people who would not be able to afford getting to work, buying food, etc as well as unemployment which would skyrocket. The main item missing from your list, but needed to implement over half of the items, is a moratorium on population growth - which has been suggested on other posts. Some seem to think that that is the magic bullet (and maybe it is) but it brings problems with it (like funding social security and other pay as you go social programs, increased health costs since society would be older, etc).
Most posts seem to still be looking towards the government to "fix the problem". I still say we need to look inward and make more environmentally friendly choices. Buy smaller houses. Turn off the lights. Get new windows. Turn down the heat/AC. Instead of worrying about CAFE, start buying hybrids and stop buying Hummers. Car makers will supply what you demand. The American consumer apparently has wanted big cars with lots of power and has not valued or wanted cars based on fuel efficiency. We may say in polls that we do, but when we go and buy a car, we do not put our money where our mouth is. That's the auto makers or governments fault? No, that's on us.
Public transportation? Its part of the solution but not the only solution. Public transportation in the DC area is some of the best in the country. But its currently running close to max capacity. We have HOV lanes and have not really built new highways or done a lot of expansion/widening in 25 years. And DC traffic is 2nd worst in the nation. How is this possible? Sprawl. Or in laymans terms, afforable housing. Being able to afford a house/condo/apartment in or near the city is challenging at best. So what choice do people have? Buy something in the burbs. Its a nifty idea to have Transit Oriented development but people need to work where the jobs are. Change jobs? I guess you move! My suggestion is to build (a lot) more non-HOV roads, widen existing ones with non-HOV lanes and add public transit capacity. No statistics to back this up but the amount of pollution caused from time spent in backups has got to be huge.
February 2, 2007 9:15 AM | Report Offensive Comments
PK: I agree with you totally, but to get this to happen would be like trying to pull a train with a tricycle.
February 2, 2007 2:11 AM | Report Offensive Comments
To PG
There are two contributions to global warming. We are currently in an interglacial period of global climate, that is, a period of relatively warm conditions when glaciers retreat. The second contribution comes from the effect of greenhouse gases produced from cars, power plants, farm animals (20% according to the New York Times) etc., and is a man made phenomenon.
You cannot discount the scientific evidence behind the man-caused global warming that we are experiencing today, but forecasting the long term affects of global warming is speculative since the contribution from the earth's natural climate cycle is unknown and can fluctuate over short periods of time. The goal should be, however, to reduce man-made gases that contribute to global warming.
Today, our first priority should be energy independence, and that includes drilling for oil at ANWR and other locations, developing our oil shale resources (if economically viable), nuclear power, wind generated power, geothermal power, and hydroelectric power. Standard gas mileages for vehicles should be increased and that includes SUVs. Energy independence can be helpful for reducing emissions if alternative sources are emphasized.
Long term goals should include the elimination of gas powered vehicles, and the elimination of our dependence on fossil fuels to generate electricity. Kyoto should be signed and ratified by Congress if it also applies to developing countries such as China and India.
February 1, 2007 11:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
There is no single silver bullet, no magic answer; but an earth-friendly mix of solutions, or cocktail, can go a long way toward solving the problem of global warming.
One solution: biofuels. In developing nations, ethanol makes a great deal of sense. In the United States, biodiesel makes more sense, (a) because the infrastructure is available for biodiesel use in vehicles and heating oil, and (b) because biodiesel can use a wide variety of natural oils, or feedstocks, including pure and waste vegetable oils and rendered animal fat.
Biodiesel is envioronmentally friendly--today's processing systems are for the most part waterless or produce clean water that can be flushed down any municipal or rural sewer system--and economically sound.
In short, increased production and use of biodiesel can contribute significantly toward solving the most pressing problem of our age.
-Jonathan Braun, Senior Vice President
Hampton Biofuels, Inc.
http://www.hamptonbiofuels.com
February 1, 2007 8:32 PM | Report Offensive Comments