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To Daniel, I say thank you. Growing up in the inner cities of Washington, DC, in a neighborhood we called, "Baby Vietnam," less than two miles away from the Capitol Building, I never once saw a Congressman or Senator visit. The only White people I remember were either police officers or insurance salesman. The one thing I can remember about myself and the other black males is that we were willing to fight for our nation at the drop of a dime. So, when you ask the question "at which point is it moral to fight a true war?" the answer should not be a riddle.

As a Nuclear Power nation the only true threat that we would have from any other nation is that nation developing nuclear capabilities with the objective of using them against us. However, the problem that you present may be much more detrimental than most of us want to admit. I still live and work in Washington, DC, and I often look at professionals on the street and ask myself, "has he ever had a physical confrentation in his entire life." What we are viewing on our streets is a result of the Non-violent movement, and the Women's Liberation Movement. The result is David Bekham (metrosexual).

What we label as non-violence should be labeled, "Non-Physical violence." There is no nation that is only 5 percent of the world's total population, and uses 25 percent of the world's resources that is non-violent. As a Black male that grew up in DC, I would love to tell you that you can rest assured because in the event of a true war, the brothers and myself will be there to fight for you, but drugs that obviously were not grown in my neighborhood have come to ravish these beautiful soldiers. The question now is, "in the event of a true war, who is going to have the courage to fight, other you and myself?"

My question to anyone is, "when did money,success, and education, replace honor, nobility and courage as the premire qualities of being a man?"

china is a country with humanistic love towards humanity.What china is doing it is not colonization of scramble of Africa by the european imperialist powers in 19 th century.And much before in the worst form of 'SLave Trade'of presnet civilized world.THese imperialist powers exploit the natural resources of Africa with out any share .and even left the legacy in the form of Aparthied and death of millions of negro tribal people.Thank god that African countries have a friendly option like china who ready to help them against the parasitic interest bankers and loans and racial masters.
If the question of condition is concerned and case of dafure is then ask why the european countries are investing billion of dollars in terrorist countries and provinding biggest military aid to israel-the most racial and barbaric nation of the world.Ask from west the gaza is not like the dafure of sudan.Then why european and american bounty always rained?.Do not worry African is not going to be slave in 21 century by china but going to get their freedom from IMF,WORLD BANK,PARIS CLUB,AMERICAN DICTATORSHIP.And your question shows that how much you frightened with the new development in africa,started by china.A dawn is begun in Africa by china and no wonder this will bright the world .

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If the question of condition is concerned and case of dafure is then ask why the european countries are investing billion of dollars in terrorist countries and provinding biggest military aid to israel-the most racial and barbaric nation of the world.Ask from west the gaza is not like the dafure of sudan.Then why european and american bounty always rained?.Do not worry African is not going to be slave in 21 century by china but going to get their freedom from IMF,WORLD BANK,PARIS CLUB,AMERICAN DICTATORSHIP.And your question shows that how much you frightened with the new development in africa,started by china.A dawn is begun in Africa by china and no wonder this will bright the world .

China is making possible the payment of external debts of some African countries (it is buying the domination of third on such countries).

China is with projects of creation of University, Schools and Hospitals, in Africa, where the main language will not be more dialect, French, Italian, German much less the English (the aid will come with the culture and the Mandarin)!

The interchange will be: economical, scientific, cultural, to militate, energy, social etc(almost everything will have the Chinese interference).

It is good to remember that China has an additional 23 million single men between 20 and 30 years, while Africa had a considerable part of its masculine population deceased for wars, crime and illnesses such as the AIDS.

The money that China spend in Africa is not related to the future geopolitical profits. Eastern Africa, at the very least, will be Chinese also etnically speaking.

The G-8 must be reason of sonorous outbursts of laughter in the corridors of the Chinese Political field. They are practical and they are not concerned with the obligation to keep appearance of democracy. Their objectives are to be busy with the plans of safe and gradual expansion.

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I think it is a great idea for China to provide interest free loans to the Sudan! The world needs more major players than just the evil americans. If Russia and China would only get enmeshed in the middle east like america, people would have other nations to hate, and despise. Yes, I am being humorous. But in reality I think all nations ought to come together, instead of just hoping that all this will just blow away. I mean it will blow away one day, but not in the sense they hope it will.

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"We need to stop hating other cultures that are different then ours. We need to stop telling the world how they have to live."
I think you may be on to something. I guess we should have refrained from telling those communists to stop killing those tens of millions of people in the USSR and that they needed some capitalism and democracy. Those Palestinians shouldn't be told that suicide bombing is wrong. The Taliban - well what do we really care about women anyway. If their culture says its ok to brutally repress them, who are we to say its wrong. The Hutus and Tutsis? Darfur? Chairman Mao? I know, I know. We share the same biology, regardless of ideology... Every culture is ok, just different...

Daniel, the quote was from Chuang Tzu. In his "Complete Works", under "Kings who abdicated", you will find that: "Yao wished to surrender the world to Hiu Yu... that Chuen offered the world to Tzu Tchu Tche-po, to Chan Kiuan and to his former friend called the peasant of Che-hu, that his people gave the world to rule to Tan-fu and followed him, that the people of Yue offered it to Tzu, the prince of Lu to Yen Ho, that king Tchao from Tch'u asked his war minister Tzu-Ki to offer it to Yue, that the Son of Heaven offered it to Tseng-tzu, Chuen to his old friend Wu-chai, and T'ang to Wu Kuang." Problem remains to convince anyone not the least interested in ruling the world that he should accept an offer to rule it...

As for "how.. we tell the courageous from cowards in a world without war?" You are the world. Make it one of non-violence. Try non-violence (ahimsa) yourself, for a year, a month, a week, a day... and see how really and truly courageous you are. You be the judge.

U.S don't know what is the difference between threat and competition that why U.S gorvernment is alway paranoid about China. Anything China did represents threat to U.S. that's really pathetic.

When U.S can't complete with China in Africa, the best way label China as threat with all kind of excuses and speculations: human right abuse, colonization, steal africa's good, sponsor of dictators...and try to make themself look good. U.S is not only misleading Americain peoples but make them feel less secure and Paranoid.

Today China is American's Threat, next will be Russian, India, Iran...well U.S will have a long nasty job to run after the threats one after other.

To Robert Rose from Daniel. Robert Rose, that statement of yours about the world being given to only those that do not want to rule--that statement which you already gave expression to in that piece from Lao Tzu--how do you reconcile that view with the fact that it totally contradicts modern biology--that such a totally passive being can never come into existence? In fact Robert, give me an example of such a person from history--and do not mention Christ...That statement of yours is a contradiction...no such person has ever existed...It is a piece of idealism..beautiful to be sure, but idealism...You want to help your cause Robert? Give me a good definition of courage in a world in which war does not exist...The problem with people like you is that you are against war but do not assure us the supreme virtue of courage will exist without war...What is courage without war? I am not saying it cannot exist, but how do we tell the courageous from cowards in a world without war? How for example can I tell whether you are a coward or not? It is easy to be against war today and oh so moral, but how to tell whether this stance is really one of courage?

Salamon - If I understand what you are saying, then I, as an American, can only criticize my own government and people and heritage. That isn't just silly, it is morally bankrupt. It's the sort of nonsense we heard from the SDS crowd and the Marxists back in the 60's and 70's. Utterly stupid blathering by a bunch of immature fools. China is guilty of all sorts of human right abuses, she is guilty of atrocities and barbarism, that turn the stomach. Likewise, my country was railroaded into Iraq by a White House run campaign that the press and American people bought into. Our President and corporation globalization schemes are nothing more than an attempt to reinstitute indentured servitude, 21st Century slavery.

As for the Sudan and Somalia, from what I understand, various Islamic groups and war lords are fighting each other for power and control. The Islamic groups really have affiliations with genuine terrorists, including some of the very people who planned the 9-11 attacks on my country. Furthermore, they have provably murdered tens of thousands of people for simply being Christians or Jews or animists. Now, having been subjected to propaganda and spin campaigns by my own government, I have become pretty adept at smelling bullsh*t and the "atrocity" photo's coming from the Islamic groups in the Sudan and Somalia look an awful lot like the garbage Hizbolla released when they were accusing Israel of atrocities In other words, it was made up.

I have no doubt that innocent people are sometimes killed in a war and this is especially bad when it is a fight I don't think we needed to get involved in in the first place. But, in the end, Americans wont tolerate that being done purposefully. In the Islamic world, I see innocents and civilian's being targeted all of the time. So, Salamon, if I am to be honest and consistent, I will continue to point out that China and India and every land controlled by an Islamic government along with American corporations and businessmen, are rife with barbarism and hatred and abuse; they are all guilty of murder and worse. We may not be able to do much about China, and we ought not do much about the Sudan or Somalia other than to continue to bomb terrorist camps whenever and wherever they are discovered, but we can do something about the corporations and the monsters that run them. If you want to be consistent, criticize - point out evil whenever you see it.

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I just don't see the need to worry about China having expansionist desires on Africa. Trade is one thing, but colonization is something entirely different. China has no history and has shown no interest in wandering from it's region of the globe. Sure they need the oil. Sure they need to buy raw materials to feed their emerging industrial complex. Yes, they will be competing with us (they already are).

If my memory is correct China holds over 300 billion in US Treasuries as well. This is only 2nd to Japan. However, China has been increasing it's investment in the US debt while Japan has been decreasing theirs. However, even at the current trends it would be many years before China would surpass Japan. What I'm trying to do here is show you China is already a partner in the US economy. They have a vested interest in trading with us and they also now have a vested interest in our currency remaining strong.

China is not our enemy. We're a pretty good job of being our own worst enemy.

Curious as how the global warmest have determined what the "correct" temperature of the earth is?

How do we know our attempts to "cool" the earth won't cause even more harm?

Many times the earth has been warmer than it is today, even 1000 years ago. Why is this not a natural correction?

Since Mars is seeing their polar ice caps melting, doesn't this point to a solar system issue not an earth or man made issue?

MikeB:

But I note that USA TV does not show the regular destruction, carpet bombing etc of Iraq by USA AIR FORCE, nor the attempted elimination of some "terrorist" [whom you missed] while carpet bombing in Somalia. Nor do we see pictures of the beauties in foreign rendition as they are "encouraged to talk". Nor do we see the effect of Gold mine accidents caused by USA mining firms when Cyanide is "accidentally released" the world over.

When your nose is clean, then you can talk about other noses, til then it is MOST PRUDENT TO REFRAIN DISCUSSING NOSES - else you appear as a HYPOCRITE [resembling Mrs. Clinton on Senate vote or "I changed my mind" McCain on torture].

captainjohann, BANGALORE, INDIA - "...is the Chinese Emporer sitting in Sudan's Palace?" No. But, the Chinese are sitting on Tibet! When was it, last week? There was a film on the evening news where Chinese soldiers sat on a pass and shot dead a group of Tibetan nuns walking through deep snow. There were, perhaps, 30 people in that group, waking single file and the soldiers picked them off one by one. Now, these were smugglers, they weren't armed, hey were simply follows of a Buddhist religious sect that the Chinese have been trying to exterminate. SO they, in cold blood, shot them one by one. And think, also, of Tianamen Square where 2 to 4,000 people were murdered. And, today, think of Chistians and emembers of other religions not sanctioned by the Chinese government, think of prisoners having their organs "harvested", tens of thousands of poor people, whose only crime was to speak or write something that the government found threatening, think of them strapped down on an operating table, alive, the drip of a sedative putting them to sleep for the last time, as their eyes and heart and lungs and kidneys and other organs to cut from their still living bodies. That, surely, is as bad as a misguided and perhaps greed motivated policy that led us in Iraq. And, think too, of India and her treatment of it's Muslim minorities, think of the "untouchable" casts and organ harvesting every bit as horrible as is taking place in China. Think, too, of the Tibetan's living in India. And this is going on right now, not in the distant past.

The point is, no one has clean hands and no one has the right to lecture another about human rights nor about humane treatment of others. We either quit blaming each other and begin right now to live as best as we can, treating others as we would be treated, or the cycle of wars and inhumanity will simply continue.

I have no doubt, none whatsoever, that China is doing in Africa what is in her own interests and not in the interests of the African people.

As I am allergic to multiple copies of a post on any site, I want to apologize for the multiple copies of my latest posts. They have nothing to do with my being anxious they appear on the site ASAP... I simply started getting error messages whenever I clicked POST, yesterday, which made me assume the text had not been sent. I have already reported that "bug" to the WP.

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“…When it comes to international meddling I think you would have a very hard time making anyone believe any other country on the face of this planet has meddled more then the US since the end of WWII…”

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1990, fully 15 countries gained their independence. In addition, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland and East Germany were democratized, i.e., ALLOWED to form a democracy. The former USSR was instrumental in shaping US policy after WWII. In that respect, Bob, I think you look way to simplistically at the US post WWII.

US policy was shaped by the rise of Russian communism, which was considered a huge threat to not only us, but to millions and millions of people around the world. As you know, millions died of starvation, and /or political murder under that system. This is especially true in China under Mao. The Cuban missile crisis brought us to the brink of a nuclear war. That was a near catastrophic event which shaped US policy in South and Central America as well as Viet Nam.

Most importantly, we provided a deterrent to Soviet aggression. The point I want to make is that many countries, including western Europe lived under the US nuclear umbrella. In addition South Korea, Taiwan and many other countries were backed (protected) by the US. American military strength was instrumental in PREVENTING wars during the cold war. The US military's presence in South Korea, alone, probably saved millions of lives, given North Korea's humanitarian/political record (about four million dead). Think about it. We probably had more to gain (economically) by regime change in the Sudan (oil) than either Korea or Viet Nam. The wars in Korea and South Viet Nam were fought more on ideological than economic grounds.

More recent wars were fought for various reasons including Bosnia (humanitarian), Kuwait (for oil, but backed by the Arab league, and other oil guzzling societies around the world, including Europe), and Iraq, principally a reaction to 911.

No one can defend all of the US’s “meddling” because many were just plain stupid, but overall, US policy (and military strength) of “shaping” the world probably has prevented large-scale wars and given some people, at least, an opportunity to thrive under a democratic system.

I'm apologize Zoltan if this sounds too pro American.

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Is the Chinese emperor sitting in Sudan's Palace?
Is there a single chinese soldier in Africa? American soldiers are in somalia and it has established African command.
American soldiers are in Iraq, Afghanistan,Saudiarabia, okinawa, south korea,Taiwan ,Europe etc etc and what to talk of innumerable aircraft carriers circling the earth.
There is not a single chinese soldier in any of the foreign countries.It has invaded vietNam,India,Tibet and now threatening North Korea but all these are border problems surrounding china.
But US is colonising notonly the world but it has monopoly over outer space also.

BobL-VA - Without going on and on, I agree with you on every point you made in your post to me. I was merely trying to point out to people to point to country or culture "A" and claim they are so much better than we are. They are not. Likewise, those twits who keep inventing statistics about how much of the world's resources the U.S. uses. It's really silly. I lived in Europe and I know first hand that European's consume quite as much as American's if given an opportunity. All of us in this world need to live together and watch each other and hold each other responsible. We need to be activists. Once we get too involved wih ourselves, someone like Bush will come along and really screws things up. He could have been stopped years ago, but we allowed him way too much freedom. Now, I honestly feel that we will not survive him. He seems dead set on attacking Iran, even in the face of Congressional and public wishes to the contrary, and that is going to lead to a civil war right here at home and damage to our democratic institutions that we cannot and will not survive. It's rather sad, watching the right wing posters here and elsewhere in complete denial that they took this country and wrecked it because it didn't work they way the wanted it to work.

Zoltan:

"...Tom, you're talking about focus: "when the question is about China [...] you will see that France [...] for North Korea's nuclear weapons"

look-up "focus" in a dictionary.

And let others express their views, yours are well known by now (USA is the greatest nation on earth)..".

Your previous post to me suggested the European Union was none of my business. You've mentioned (several times) that you are an engineer, so act like it and provide something meaningful to the discussion.

Chinese policy is the discussion and, in my opinion, North Korea is fair game, and it is certainly a lot closer (to the PG question) than the US in Iraq.

Finally, sorry, you are right, France is off topic, but for such a small country, they are a world class arms dealer (remember the exocet missile in the Fauklands war?, or Israel's nuclear weapons program?).

Daniel, I do “have all the answers for existence”. I just find humiliating that you forgot to mention I have them not only for this world but for the next as well. Which means I know what I shall write for eternity, a net advantage, you will admit. That is because I am an old extremist while you are a modern moderate. For as you write, “if it takes the U.S. civil war to be extended to the world until all are free and democratic (and capitalistic) --no matter how many people have to perish in the process--so be it.” One can’t be more modern and moderate than that.

As a matter of fact, I do know what you will write tomorrow and the day after tomorrow: “You are either with us or against us, you old-fashioned nonsensical leftwing foolish clowns”. That is very original, Daniel. I must admit I had never read, heard, least of all thought of that before.

It’s getting late, tonight, for a model statesman and political vision. Suffice to say, then: “It is only to someone who is not interested in ruling the world that we can give the world to rule.” You will no doubt remember reading that in one of those books you mentioned in your posts. Do not attempt to see in my heart, Daniel. People whose “entire purpose is the diminishment of the United States” do not have any.

The Chinese violate the West's most important principle: Do as I as not as I do. Now let nuke them back to the Tang Dynasty.

To Salamon, Robert Rose and Bob. You guys make me laugh--really. Do you know what you will write tomorrow--and the next day and the next day and the next day? I do. You demonstrate no originality whatsoever and have all the answers for existence. Do you know what I will write tomorrow? No you do not. And if you think you do, prove it. Just look over my last years posts alone. I always range far and wide. And I am an American. Land of freedom and opportunity. As for all the books you clowns suggest, half of them are ones I mentioned in posts already! Perhaps you can suggest some modern books--perhaps by your Muslim or Chinese or Russian compatriots--or if you are just plain old leftwing clowns, perhaps some leftwing nonsense. Your entire purpose is the diminishment of the United States with no real suggestion of national let alone international order. I keep asking you fools to build me a nation let alone a world order and you keep chattering nonsense. For all the sins of the United States it was the first nation to brutally fight a civil war against itself in the name of a total internal alteration of itself, and this alteration is still the highest hope of man. The president that won this victory had his birthday exactly today. And if it takes the U.S. civil war to be extended to the world until all are free and democratic--no matter how many people have to perish in the process--so be it. And even if the U.S. fails in this process, so be it--it will come to pass, for it is the course of history. What you three fail to grasp is the historical process itself. It is not China, Russia or Islam. It is not Marxism, etc. It is a total revolution from within which has already been embodied in the American civil war. And you are either with the north or the south. And the north will win. The future of the world is democratic and capitalistic. And of course violence will have to be used to bring the world to law and order and capitalism and democracy. The question is will it be as violent as the American civil war. Perhaps only people like you can answer this question. But perhaps I am wrong. I am still waiting for a coherant political order suggested by you three. Tell me the course of history please. I have been so bold as to suggest one--now you tell me one. What will the world be like politically a thousand years from now? I have had the courage to suggest a vision and to suggest the Lincoln is the model statesman for the next thousand years--the same Lincoln that waged war brutally for freedom. Now you suggest to me a model statesman and political vision. Then perhaps we can really see into each other's hearts.

MikeB,

Mr. Rose has a valid point. China is not the problem from a world peace standpoint. They have done little to nothing subverting world peace. When is the last time China sent 150K-550K troops 8,000 miles from Chinese soil to impose their will in our hemisphere. Easy answer. Not in modern history. I think you would have to go all the way back to the Khan's.

Look at the history of the US. We're basically a geographically isolated country. Forget the revolution. Let's start with the war of 1812, The Mexican-American War, The Civil War, The Indian Wars (which were tantamount to annilhation), The Spanish American War, The First World War, The 2nd World War, Korea, The Cold War, Vietnam, The first Gulf War, Afghanistan, The 2nd Gulf War and the War on Terror. Throw in the various uses of our armed forces for things like Beirut, Panama, Somalia, etc., etc. and if you can't see a pattern developing here I'm sorry. For a country who geographically shouldn't be fighting all the time we are. Our history isn't accidental. Our history is of an angry nation that is willing to unleash massive amounts of force to impose our will when we see fit. It's a problem.

China doesn't have this problem. They're not about to invade Africa and start blowing the place up like we have done to so many countries around the world. Sure, you can accuse China of human rights violations. Yes, you can accuse them of being an economic pain in the US's butt. Yes, you can accuse them of taking over Nepal, border skirmishes with the Russians and even supporting North Korea (their immediate neighbor). It's true they also want Taiwan back.

We need to focus on using our massive resources to build worth while things like a health care system that all Americans can access. Upgrading education. Medical research. Poverty programs. Homeland security. Funding social security properly. At the same time maintaining a military that can respond to attacks (the key word here is attacks) against the United States. IRAQ DOES NOT FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY.

We need to stop hating other cultures that are different then ours. We need to stop telling the world how they have to live. Basically, we need to grow up and pursue a doctrine of peace except to defend ourselves. We need to learn to lead through example and not at the end of a gun. That, my friend, is maturity and it's something this country is sorely lacking under the current lame duck administration.

TOM:

That the politicians of Canada deemed it proper, in their view, to join in on several wars in the last 10 years, while that before then they were for peacekeeping [for the idea of UN peacekeeping M. Pearson received the Nobel Peace Prize, ere he became the PM of Canada] is not indicative of anything BUT A POLITICAL DECISION.

I do not recall that the electorate was asked whether they wish to participate in any of the wars you mention. There is almost as strong opposition to our involvement in Afganistan as you have in the USA against your involvement in Iraq.

That the USA President can with help LIE the USA into War, or that the PM of Canada can discuss war involvement in the House of Commons for a few hours, and that both leaders thereafter commited their citizens to war [while they are both keeping their life SAFE with bodyguards away from any bloody conflict], is not a reflection on DEMOCRACY, it is a reflection on the CORRUPT POLITICAL PROCESS - which is backed by the ANGLO-SAXON cultural traditon as something to be desired. FORTUNATELY, most of the world rejects this WE GIVE YOU OUR DEMOCRACY AT THE POINT OF A BAYONET -- after destroying your country [at the expense of the unborn children of USA/UK both of which are financing the war NOT with tax raise, but with DEBT REPAYABLE BY THE NEXT GENERATION.

MikeB. You're right, we're all human (and that includes the Chinese...). But questions above are: 1. "Does China's willingness to invest in Africa without preconditions cause more harm than good?", leading to 2. "In the end, could Africa be re-colonized by China?" -- I happen to think that before we "indict" China or even comment on its political behaviour in Africa, we revisit the three notions of "Colonialism", "Neocolonialism" and "Imperialism" in their historical context. One can refer to those, for instance, in encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com. Readers such as Daniel, looking for reading material, will find there references to substantial studies on those subjects. It is my opinion that should we just begin doing a little research in that direction, we are likely to soon conclude that "We, the West (not China) have been and still are -- to say the least -- the biggest part of the problem(s)" those notions refer to. I may be wrong.

Robert and other forum members - "....we are the problem." Oh, come on. The Chinese are no less human than we are, subject to greed, love, pride, hatred, and human decency. In her long history, China has conquered neighboring countries and people and done as much harm as anyone in the West. I am Native American and I just laugh when I hear people talk about our, somehow innate, association wiht "the land". In recent years, Native Amecian's, when granted fishing rights in Washington State under the Bolt decision, completely wiped out the salmon runs in several rivers. They netted every single fish that ran, in some river. In other rivers, they used bleach and explosives to stun fish and scooped them up. People are human beings, and no one is beyond committing the next Nazi atrocity. We either have a community, where we watch each other or we will have a world where we watch out for each other.

To the readers -- I know full well this conversation is meant to be about China. But in this debate, China is not the problem. WE (the West “led” by the USA) are. I wanted to let others join in before answering. Please allow, now, what follows…

Daniel, as you insist, a copy of my “”Simple answers” and “psychological WARfare 101””:
Q1. “Ghandi or Christ… something of a life of non-action?” A1. Their lives have been anything but lives of non-action! Q2. “Suicide of the nation?” A2. Diplomacy, peaceful coexistence, international cooperation and peace are the life of any nation. “War should be treated as a funeral service. Even victory is a funeral.” (Lao Tzu). Q3. “Would the nation continue to exist?” A3. Yes. Q4. “Does that make a difference?” A4. Yes. Q5. “Would that compromise the ability to ask questions?” A5. No. Q6. “Was not Zen… the philosophy of samurais...?” A6. Of many, of the greatest. Q7. Aren’t you “nothing but a moralist?” A7. A humanist.
Q8. Aren’t your views “psychological warfare pure and simple?” A8. It would be more glamorous (and lucrative) if they were, wouldn’t it? I find it amusing (to put it mildly) that you associate an open democratic debate in a prominent online American newspaper to “psychological warfare pure and simple”. WAR-fare? Again? I understand all kinds of people are interested in what is going on in debates such as this one, that they follow and monitor them closely, try to exercise some degree of “control” over what goes on in all sorts of ways… etc. Now do their presence and intervention in our midst really amount to “psychological warfare pure and simple”? You must know things I am unaware of.
Q9. “How is that different from psychological warfare?” A9. Humanists use Reason to influence people. Specialists in psychological warfare resort to Propaganda to activate the famous BS coalition (Brainwash! Blackmail! Bribe! Bully! and Blind!). They lie and deceive whole populations and nations all the way to Hell. Q10 “Is it useless to expect from you a simple answer…?” A10. Useless? You tell me. Hopeless? No. Q11. “Am I condemned to being a questioning and answering being?” A11. I don’t know, Daniel. As Socrates said: “Know thyself!” He himself claimed he was, by his “daimon”. Socrates thought a life without “inquiry” was not worth living and drank the hemlock. Who’s to say, you may well be a contemporary Socrates? Q12. “May this (questioning and answering) be the fate of my nation?” A.12. Surely not! Just consider the deep self-induced coma it has been in, in recent years, and that friendly “shoot now, ask questions later” attitude of its Armed Forces in action, for years on end.
Q13. “What exactly is a moral war?” A13. Benjamin Franklin said: “there was never a good war or a bad peace”. My position is that, strictly speaking, there are no moral wars. Never were, never will be. Wars are essentially evil, cannot rise to the level of “being moral”. The onus is therefore always on the person who wants to wage war to put forward the arguments as to why one should consider it “moral” for anyone to follow him/her. That person has thereafter the duty to be first to walk to the frontline, in front of everyone. I believe even the greatest human beings who have attempted that, have failed at the task. It is not only war that is intrinsically evil, immoral. So is executing a human being, be it Eichman or Saddam Hussein. That is why some people are against the death penalty. They consider such an evil act can never rise high enough to be moral. Moral acts involve the best in human beings, while immoral acts involve the worst in us. War and executing people always involve the worst in Man. Need to. So always have, and always will.
Q14. “What exactly would it take for the United States to be politically united for a war these days?” A14. Truth and integrity, in lieu of lies and deception. They may not be sufficient, but are unquestionably necessary. Q15.”What are these circumstances which would unite us as a nation in war?” A15. The onus is on the person who wants to take the nation to war to find out and tell us, with accompanying justification. Q16. “What exactly is there worth fighting for?” A16. Depends what one means by “fighting for”. Again, the onus is on the person wishing to “fight”, to determine what he/she considers worth fighting for and how. It will then be open to debate. I understand some claim that it is worth fighting in every way possible for the liberation of one’s own country from invaders and occupiers. Q17. “Is it the nation will be as divided as today regardless of whether a war is moral or not? A17. No. Q18. “Did it really make a difference whether or not Iraq was immoral?” A18. Yes. Q19. “Would we not be in the same position as today politically?” A19. Certainly not. Q20. “Even if we had not invaded Iraq wouldn’t a great part of the nation have been opposed to war?” A20. I doubt it. Q21. “Can the U.S. fight any war at all?” A21. Not only it can (and destroy civilization and the planet in the process), but it keeps on doing just that, and even unilaterally. Q22. “If no war at all, why speak of foreign policy at all, worrying about China or anybody else?” A22. Because exist other relationships between nations, than war (e.g. diplomatic relations). Q23. “Are we to depend on diplomacy?” A23. Yes. We are to pursue the diplomatic road first and foremost, and to the limit, by every honourable means and in every honourable way we know. Q24. “Perhaps we should just have a nuclear holocaust and end things now?” A24. You make a case for it. Onus is on you. And you go first, in front of everybody. Q25. “You want me to be fearless and serene?” A25. I want nothing from you. Q26. “Don’t you seem to want the U.S. to go down alone?” A26. No need to. Don’t you see the US currently going down fast, deep, and alone enough, already? Q27. “Is it not that nobody can do much about anything anymore?” A27. Quite the contrary. The concept of “non-action” that bugs you so much has nothing to do with doing nothing. It means “non-action IN action”. This is only a (ZEN) paradox for the intellect. In everyday life, it is something as natural as everyday consciousness (yet takes years to achieve). Q28. “Do we have any choice but to be serene and fearless?” A28. You surely give the impression you have all the choice you need not to be. Q29. “Isn’t it that nobody can change anything about man?” A29. If you were right, we’d still be no different from the Bushmen. It is true some wish we still were not. Q30. “Won’t China do as it pleases?” A30. Yes, although China should and ought to do as it pleases the US, don’t you think?
Q31. “Some reading?”
A31. 3 very short books plus 1, more elaborate, #2… even though meditation and meditative action, not reading, be doors to the garden of zen.
1. Albert Camus, “Letters to a German Friend” (“Lettres a un ami allemand”, Gallimard, 1948). (On war and “morality”)
2. D.T. Suzuki, “Zen and Japanese Culture”, Princeton University Press, Bollingen Series LXIV, 1959. (On many aspects of zen for the layman/woman)
3. Eugen Herrigel, “Zen in the Art of Archery”, Vintage books, 1971 (Pantheon, 1953) (On non-action)
4. Thomas Merton ed., “Gandhi on Non-violence”, New Directions, 1964-65. (On Gandhi not repudiating violence)

This is about as silly a question as possible, even by blogging standard. It reflects more on the racist instincts of modern Americans than on Chinese intention in Africa.

Colonization is by natural an unilateral process that must be enforced by force. This fundamentally Western practice involves imposing the colonial master's will not only on the colonized but also against interference of other powers.

The Chinese efforts in Africa are based on mutual interests and open competition. There is not a shred of monopolistic tendency. Say whatever you want about the indirect effects Chinese commerce has on Durfar, but comparing China to the Western powers can only be justified by either ignorance or malice.

Daniel:

Reading list:
I believe that St Augustine in the City of God was the first to contemplate war as a moral issue. However, it is but 40+ years since I read the old philosophers, so my memory is of questionable validity. On War read Carl von Clausewitz: ON WAR, and Sun Tzu's The Art of War, on the Golden Mean in Ethics read Aristotle: Nicomachean Ethics [Notes transcribed by Aristotle’s son is best guess I read about --- the connection is to Wikipedia: highlight and control+click ], On Golden Rule your best source is WIKIPEDIA

Tom,

It's the hypocracy that bothers me. I'm certainly not opposed to taking stances. However, I am also a firm believer in practicing what we preach. We can't run around and condemn other nations for meddling and making the world a more dangerous place when we are the worst offender.

China has never been an expansionist state. Sure, I know you can bring up Nepal and Taiwan, but they are local to China and there is a history there that doesn't even make these two cases an issue. (unless your from Nepal or Taiwan) As China continues to industrialize they will need to buy energy and raw materials. They started well behind the US, Britian, France, Germany, etc. and they weren't blessed with the natural resources of Russia.

I've lived long enough and read a sufficient amount to be tired of the US acting badly on this planet in the name of "enemies." Then to compound our mistakes we want to make everyone that doesn't see eye to eye with us potentially bad. China is such a case. The flap over Sudanese oil is about nothing more then us pointing a finger and saying, "See, they're worse then we are." Of course to say something like this you have to either discount reality or truely believe they are bad.

We can dump 230 billion into Iraq this year trying not to lose, but we can't rebuild the Gulf Coast. We can't find a way to ensure our population has health insurance and make a meaningful attempt at seriously reducing poverty. No, it's just easier to have an enemy and destroy then to build. Simply put, we need to spend more time evolving into a nation that understands force is a last resort and should be avoided at almost any cost and spend less time worrying about whether China is buying oil from a nasty third world country or giving away T-Shirts in Africa.

Daniel:

Reading list:
I believe that St Augustine in the City of God was the first to contemplate war as a moral issue. However, it is but 40+ years since I read the old philosophers, so my memory is of questionable validity. On War read Carl von Clausewitz: ON WAR, and Sun Tzu's The Art of War, on the Golden Mean in Ethics read Aristotle: Nicomachean Ethics [Notes transcribed by Aristotle’s son is best guess I read about --- the connection is to Wikipedia: highlight and control+click ], On Golden Rule your best source is WIKIPEDIA.

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