A Democratic Congress?


Does anyone where you live think that a Democratic Congress in the U.S. would be better for the world?
Posted by on October 16, 2006 10:49 AM

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MikeB :

Everyone everywhere would welcome a Democratic COngress at the very least. I can give you one really good example: TRUST. Now, North Korea announced that they had conducted a nuclear test, but no one could find the radiation that would indicate this. They still haven;t. But the U.S. government, just today, anounced at long last that they have found proof. But...no one else has!!!! Now, after the cooked books on Iraq, on the economy, on everything else, I have a strong tendency to not trust *anything* announced by this government, at least so long as it is controlled by this Whitehouse. I figure the Democrats and the Amercian people have been so "burned" and so long misled, that no one trust Bush or any of his people. So a Democratically controlled House and Senate would seem to me to be in order simply to restore some trust in our government. On the other hand, goven the polls and the opinions I hear, and given the sanguine mode at the Whitehouse, if there isn't a Democratic controlled House elected in November, I would take that as pretty conclusive proof that Bush and Rove have rigged another election and think the world ought to completely isolate this country as a dictatorship run by lunatics.

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YES YES YES

MikeB :

Everyone everywhere would welcome a Democratic House at the very least. I can give you one really good example: TRUST. Now, North Korea announced that they had conducted a nuclear test, but no one could find the radiation that would indicate this. They still haven't. But the U.S. government, just today, anounced at long last that they have found proof. But...no one else has!!!! Now, after the cooked books on Iraq, on the economy, on everything else, I have a strong tendency to not trust *anything* announced by this government, at least so long as it is controlled by this Whitehouse. I figure the Democrats and the Amercian people have been so "burned" and so long misled, that no one trusts Bush or any of his people. So a Democratically controlled House and Senate. one that mistrusted every pronouncement from the WHitehouse and Penagone and the various intelligence agencies, would seem to me to be in order simply to restore some trust in our government. On the other hand, given the polls and the opinions I hear, and given the sanguine mood at the Whitehouse, if there isn't a Democratic controlled House elected in November, I would take that as pretty conclusive proof that Bush and Rove have rigged the (another?) election and think the world ought to completely isolate this country as a dictatorship run by lunatics and Amercian citizens ought to take to heart Thomas Jefferson's warnings about a government like this and what to do about them.

BobL-VA :

I've made no secret about my dislike for Bushless. A worse president I don't think has existed in this country. He has mismanaged everything he has touched. He has divided this country like no other president in history. His inability to tell the truth and/or assimilate information and make informed decisions is non-existant. If he was a CEO he would have been replaced long ago. Unfortunately, he is not a CEO. He won't be replaced and I'm positive no one would want his replacement in his office (Cheney) either.

So, we're stuck with this neocon for 2 more years. At least a DEMOCRATIC Congress can limit the damage Brainless can cause over the remainder of his term.

Hence, if limiting damage is a positive, which I think it is, then the world is a much better place with Congress controlled by the Democrats.

MikeB,

The days of the neocons controlling government are coming to an end. About 25% of the US population are hard core born again or evangelical Christians and they will remain a force to be reckoned with whether we like it or not. Rove took that base, added the mainstream republican contingent, and then fear mongered some conservative democrats and independents into a majority vote. The republican scandals ending with Foley have alienated many of the born again Christians. Iraq has alienated many of the main stream republicans, and the fear mongering tactics have alienated the independents and conservative democrats. The neocan'ts are splintered today and it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch. Their one sided message was a minority position in this country and it's becoming increasingly clear the majority is fed up with it.

AM, Vienna, VA :

The benefits will not be earth-shaking, but they will be two-fold:
(1) a measure of accountability in internal policies, with the more extreme tendencies of the administration checked, even if only due to gridlock;
(2) less overt beligerence towards the rest of the world.

daniel :

Sure, I know a few people that would welcome such, but I myself have misgivings as absurd as that sounds. I think the Republicans have been corrupt, inept,—it really goes on and on. Insert every foaming at the mouth objection to them you can imagine. But unimaginably, what the hell are the Democrats? I suppose they make some sense on the economy, but sense on foreign policy? Actually it is something of a deception that foreign policy is more difficult than internal economy. Both are difficult although we tend to feel solutions at home are easier to solve than abroad. I fear Democrats as much as I fear Republicans. I feel personally as intensely hated by them as much as Republicans. I have nothing in common with angry blacks, women who want to cut my throat for simply being a white man, gay people who want to crush me because I happen to be heterosexual (and ironically I would describe myself as bisexual—15% bi, 85 hetero>. I put myself badly here. I just feel Democrats are a wash over society of gullible college students, underclass, resentful women, immigrants who care nothing of the U.S.....I do not feel at all Democrats have any more capacity for truth than Republicans. I recently wrote here that we have preposterous notions drummed into our heads such as "women are more capable of expressing their emotions than men" when basic observation reveals virtually every style of music has been invented by men, every musical instrument (guitar, violin, saxaphone, piano,—it just goes on and on), not to mention technology of communication such as the telephone, the very computer I am now typing on, etc. Women equal to men? I would say we are in the process of finding that out. It has by no means been determined. In fact how can we say it has been determined when women themselves say have been oppressed for all previous millenia? As for people other than white people, Jews, Europeans, being intellectually capable, just go down to any bookstore...Hell, what exactly is the percentage between races of intellectual contributions to the world? No doubt now I am construed as a complete racist. But what I mean is that the left wing had damn well be honest about itself and its assertions, because if not the backlash will much worse than having simply proceeded honestly in the first place.

I really wish I had not typed the preceding words. I am no doubt angry and a sick soul. Nothing much makes sense to me. I was always stupid. I never could understand a thing teachers tried to explain in school. I only understand by reading, and even there I probably only think I understand (especially because there is no one to tell me otherwise).

And of course I am a totally maladjusted person. I wish relevant and reliable info concering the world would be available to everyone. How in the hell can the average citizen determine anything? All is guesswork and resentment because of guesswork not to mention for other reasons...I could hardly write the last sentence...it was too complex for me...

I find it appalling that the Democrats will triumph. Even worse would be the triumph of Hillary Clinton.

When I am in a better mood I will write more clearly and accurately....I just feel the Democrats are no better than the Republicans when it comes to honesty.

Aaron Mansfield, Ohio :

Though my level of cynicism is at a record high, I must believe that a Democratic Congress can make a difference. I'm no longer as idealistic as I was 5 years ago. My expectations concerning "make a difference", is that there will finally be some oversight for this administration. They won't go unchallenged while painting an absurd, and unrealistic picture of the world they have created and defined. The Republicans will also be forced to be more cordial and develop working relationships with the Dems. This is the beginning of the long process to repair our image in the world, and the vitality of our system, that has been under immense stress for the past 6 years.

MikeB :

BobL-VA - Note just Bush, but the Republican Party in general, has been simply awful for this country. Their mantra of "individual responsibility" is really just an excuse for coporations and government to duck their responsibilities to the people of this country. So, we go without a national health insurance system that makes it nearly prohibitively expensive for a company to operate here and much cheaper to outsource, and we have additional tax laws that encourage this insanity. We permit politican's, and not just Republican's, to lie to us and to do other than what the vast majority of Amercian's want them to do, elected them tpo do. So, we remain in Iraq when two thirds of the American people want out. Politcian's call this "leadership". I call it some smarmy bum acting like they know what's really good for us and do that instead of what we elected them to do. Based on this, Hiliary Clinton would join Geprge Bush and John McCain in the unemployment line. I truely want politcian's who will stick their dampened finger in the air to see what the polls show and, god, I want them to do it. I've had it with "leadersip". I want a little representation.

Zathras, Sun Prairie, WI :

Readers outside the United States may not be aware that in the American system the responsibilities of the Senate in the field of foreign affairs are substantially greater than those of the House of Representatives. Only the Senate, for example, can approve treaties and confirm (or reject) Presidential nominees for ambassadorships and other important posts.

It is possible that Democrats may acquire majorities in both houses of Congress this November; indeed, the chances of that happening look much better than they did a few weeks ago. However, the Republican majority in the House is relatively smaller than its Senate counterpart. In the view of most experienced election observers here, the Democrats are much more likely to win a majority of seats in the House. This will surely result in a number of important changes in American politics and policy, but if only the House changes from Republican to Democratic control the changes will be less evident in the field of foreign affairs than in most others.

I understand that Rep Weldon is under attack today... :

he has talked against bush on several items, or as stated in the Article

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Weldon, regarded by some as a foreign policy expert, has clashed at times with the Bush administration. In the last year, he has repeatedly said a secret military unit called "Able Danger" used data-mining to link four Sept. 11 hijackers to al-Qaida more than a year before the attacks. A Pentagon report rejected the idea.
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so to make an _obvious_ point it's not an either or thing....

if you insist on buying _by_the_label_ rather than the quality of the product,

you will, at some point in time, be taken advantage of........

For example, there are some, (me) that say Kerry took a dive in 2004.

If he runs in 2008, is he running for Complicit Congress' sake or for the peoples sake?

You'd better look a little closer before you start saying that some of the WWF individuals are clearly the good guys and the bad guys....

Try this one, look at what they do, not what they say...

rewatch the Kerry, Edwards, Sharpton, Kucinik debate again, watch the candidates speak.

Laurie Taylor, Las Vegas, NV USA :

Absolutely. Positively. Everyone where I live and work would welcome a Democratic Congress. It would bring back some balance to a very one-sided govenment and a much needed breath of fresh air!

the comment about Weldon is that he's a Republican not for Bush... :

I don't know about his veracity or the truth of the charges that the FBI is making against him...

I do know that, as a citizen, I would be very unhappy to find the FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service being used politically.

That is violation of seperation of powers.

oldhonky, Seattle, USA :

We are supposed to have a two-party system. It breaks down when one party loses, or suppresses, its saner members, as the Republican Party has been doing now for six years. I know and regret that the coming Republican train wreck will take down some decent Republicans, but — politics ain't beanbag. Bush, Rove, and Rumsfeld need and deserve a historic comeuppance. After the voters take the GOP to the woodshed three weeks from now, perhaps saner Republicans will be able to reassert themselves, and we can again have sanity and bipartisanship. Our country is heading off a cliff, and only a Democratic-controlled Congress will be willing and able to halt and reverse the oncoming calamity for America at home and abroad.

thersitz, Olympia, USA :

I don't know. Go ask Joe Lieberman.

Shiloh :

The American electorate makes an emotional decision that has guided the nation for better or for worse. The voters have invariably recognized intuitively when the nation is off course. The restoration of balance is a foregone conclusion in the mid-term election. I trust the voters to make the choice that is best for the republic - and in my mind, that means a democratic sweep in November. The alternative is 2008.

BobL-VA :

MikeB,

Being a republican is one thing. Being a Bush/Cheney/Rove republican is quite different. That the majority of the republican party went along with Bushless after he won the nomination and then jumped in step with his one sided agenda after elected in hind sight certainly was a terrible decision. Now you're seeing the rats jump off the Bushraft faster then they jumped on.

Democrat's rightfully loathe Bush/Cheney/Rove. They have every reason to. These 3 morons have lied, lied and lied some more every time they characterized Democrats. It's still going on today with the Foley Scandal. Blaming the Democrat's for the timing of the Foley Scandal when it appears to have been started by republicans.

Anyway, all I was trying to say was it will be good for the country to see the republican party make the neocons a minority within their party and get back to mainstream politics. Hopefully, this will restore some sense of civility in the system.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C, USA :

I, personally, do not think that Democratic control of the government will change anything. If anything, as BobL, VA has suggested, there may be a counterpoise for the Administration's knee-jerk reactions.

I really do not think that the overall American policy will change. Perhaps, there will be a less of saber-rattling, at least at the outset. There may also be a good-faith attempt at resolving issues through dialogues. Nevertheless, should the negotitations fail, then we MUST back up our talk with actions.

Having said all of the above, specific American policies are formulated by the bureaucrats, not as much by politicians.

Whoever comes to power, I sincerely hope and pray that they focus on the education of our kids, research and development of technologies, and national defense (read: NOT OFFENSE).

Jim Kahan, Portland OR, USA :

Everybody I know believes a Democratic Congress would be welcome. Even if there is no great change in policy (and there cannot be because the Republicans can filibuster and the president can veto), there are definite salutory effects. The first is that the president can't force more extremist judges and justices on the federal and Supreme Courts. The second is the power of the subpoena—the incompetence and dishonesty will be brought to light.

MikeB :

BobL-VA - I was just reading where Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, the Navy attoney who was appointed to defend a prisoner in Guantanamo Bay and did so sucessfully. He even defeated the Bush Whitehouse legal team and the Pentagone career types. His punishment is being forced out of the service by them. So, the message is all to clear - play ball with "us", lie, cheat, and steal, for "us", or you will pay. It's time to clean house. I want a Congress that will put Bush and CHeney and Rove and the rest of them on trial for treason and make of them an example for all future elected officials; I want everyone at the Pentagon connected with Bush's policies and all those who force decent men like Lt. Cmdr, Swift out removed immediately and simply booted. This country is ill served by such cowards and career military baffoons. So, I'm waiting for someone to take a lead, some Democrat or even Republican, who will tell the American people that Bush and everyone connected with him is a criminal and they will promise us to try, convict and imprison them, with no pardon, no golden parachute for their families, just a lifetime of public humiliation for the scounderals they are and the damage they haver done to *MY* country.

The Colossus, Sturbridge, MA :

Egads. God, no.

A Democratic congress will embolden our enemies, plain and simple. I will oppose it with my vote, and with every dollar I can spare.

GlobalMaven, Stephen Siciliano, http://highwayscribery.blogspot.com :

I do not live overseas, but I am a GlobalMaven, with all that implies (!). A long and developed relation with the country of Spain over the course of a lifetime have blessed "highwayscribery" with versatile and intelligent contacts over there. While often sounding like unreconstructed Naderites when talking about the lack of difference between Democrats and Republicans, when pressed they will easily express a preference for the return of Democrats to power for their relative passivity (as compared with the "preemptive" way of unleashing catastrophe,) and the inevitable "cooling period" a step back from the bluster Bush brinksmanship might mean. They've never been crazy about Republican presidents, but like a lot of us here, the extent of this man's drive and goals has shocked them. They are waiting hopefully.

GSt, Portola Valley, Calif :

Yes to a limited extend, because it would eliminate the unethical, corrupt behavior of the present one-party administration and Congress. Zero checks and balances.

But the two parties are too much alike in their political behavior. What is needed is a Center Party, which would have a place for the moderates from the Democrats and Republicans and more importantly, the Independent 30% of the vote.

That party could succeed by running on a Congress Reform platform
emphasizing ethics, campaign reform, outlawing gerrymandering and earmarks,for starters.

Just changing control of the House and Senate would place some
control over the lying and misleading by the administration and allow repeal
of the loss of Habeas Corpus and other outrages.

For the world, a more rational bipartisan foreign policy that does not depend on military force as the first choice would be an improvement. The Korean situation can be approached more rationally:

For the Korea problem, the road ahead seems pretty straightforward, whenone faces reality:
- Stop threatening them openly. Remember TR: "Speak softly and
carry a big stick"
- Engage them in one on one talks and do the following:
* require that NK to sign a peace treaty without any further ado or conditions, since we are technically still at war with them.
* tell them that all conversations will automatically be
passed to the group of nations that are interested in the solution of the problem.
* there will be no pre-conditions allowed for these talks,
except that we must not have a technical state of war with them.
* we will welcome their explaining their breaking the agreements reached in previous years.
* In general talk with them as long as they wish without
promising them anything, except that we will not attack them, and recommend that they come to an agreement with China.

The current Bush policy of tough talk and no results and a requirement to do things our way, defines us as a paper tiger.

Presumably, with Democrats in the majority in the Senate, the approach to Iran would be less rambunctious too. We have to talk to all adversaries. A bully pulpit and threats just do not work in todays world.

We would also get better relations with Europe and South Korea, as well as China if the Senate were not under the thumb of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. We would get a better, less man at the UN: Bolton has not been confirmed and will not be.

AR, Cedar City, Utah, USA :

Are you kidding? A Democratic Congress would definitely be better for the world, and for our own country. How can they do any worse than these clowns? Record deficits, unwinnable war, no action on any crucial issue from Social Security to immigration, US reputation overseas in the toilet, ethics scandals- come on! It's time for a change. At the very least, Democrats would rein in a President who wants to illegally wiretap Americans, torture prisoners, and allow oil companies to write our energy policy. Enough is enough!

CYellowcrow :

The whole planet (minus a small percentage of wackos) thinks that the whole planet would be better off with a Democratic Congress. Sheesh.

embolden our enemies? you mean people that aren't into corporations taking :

over the world or a United States Government w/o oversight. I think you're enemies would like to arrest the president and his cabinet on fraud charges.

what do you think?

As far as destroying the United States of America, I think this administration and Complicit Congress has come closer than anyone else has....except the British in 1812 and then later during the Civil War, when they backed the Southern Secession........

The South is pretty well destroyed now, with every blue collar middle class job having moved out-of-country.........

I think the people that you speak for are the enemies of the United States of Americas Citizens. buddy.

skirke :

Could we have done worse. I'm not impressed with Dems. but this administration needs to be curbed == war, repression. Dem. congress would at least take away the rubber stamp. Maybe not much, but something.

Anju Chandel, New Delhi, India :

Yeah, for sure, Democrats would certainly be better for the world.

Ok, Dems would not turn our planet into a paradise, but surely they would not go all out, turning our earth into a hell for many.

Therefore, for a better and peaceful existence of humankind, my vote goes out for the Democrats!

Dan, Denver, USA :

I think that if we vote in a Republican majority in Nov and/or a Republican in the White House in 2008, the entire world will completely give up on us.

democritus2100 boston usa :

What planet are you living on? What a snarky question. Does *anyone*? Anyone really impressed with the performance of Bush or his enablers in congress is probably a few cards short of a full deck.
Where should I start: "We're going on a crusade . . ."
Or maybe backwards: "That methodology has been pretty well discredited."
Nah, never mind. It's too depressing.

rmk3551 Yakima,WA :

A Democrat congress would like the US back to the center in all areas. Compromise would happen more often than not and good things for all Americans would result. Look at what the Clinton years produced with a Republican congress. They balanced the budget, kept N.Korea from developing nuclear weapons, controlled Iraq and led to other solid legislation at home like welfare reform. They always found a solid middle ground on the important issues, sure there was some hardball that President Clinton had to play, but overall he had to come to the center as the Republicans had to as well.

Just of have oversight on Bush/Cheney is worth it. Just think how much better we all would have been if the Bush/Cheney regime had to deal with a Democrat congress since day one. Oh, how things would have been different and better. All of the Republican Pharisees would have been put in their self-rightous place.

David Hodara - Monte-Carlo - Monaco :

Contrary to the days when politicians were statesmen and really considered the general interest first, today politicians are usually and mainly interested in being elected and reelected, then interested in their party's interests and finally and not always successfully to the general interest of the populations of their countries to whom they promised so much.
The present Bush administration has been so successful in attracting the dislike - and sometine hatred - of so many people in the way they have conducted the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, lied to their people and the world, never admitted their mistakes and failed to improve the welfare of the majority of the US population, that a Democratic congress may only be a welcome change and a hope for a better approach to the problems of the US and the rest of the world.

Ramon Khalona (Carlsbad, California) :

YES, if anything to provide an accountability check to this reckless administration. It is better to have gridlock and endless political bickering than blind rubber stamping of the Bush administration's disastrous policies.

Dr. Amir Matin, Canada :

As much I favor a democratic congress, I think the world needs continuity on the current foreign political endeavors. US started major foreign initiatives with huge international consequences. We need to make sure these initiatives lead to a solid conclusion rather than abolishing them in the middle of the way by a democratic congress. Hundreds of innocent lives have been perished in Afghanistan and Iraq, it will be a shame to cut and run before delivering a better life to citizens of those countries and creating a more secure world.

Yousuf Hashmi :

In my area even educated people are not very much aware about US political system and power of senate.

Personally i am of opinion that a democratic senate will have more positive influence of US on international community.

Although the international policies of US is not expected to have any dramatic channge. however we hope at least some voices to be raised in senate for environment, human rights and ethical values

Tom, Durham, North Carolina, USA :

Every once in a while our typically great nation wonders into ignomy (or, as is currently the case, much worse). As a conservative and registered Independent who is at best suspiicous of liberal policies, it will grieve me to vote Democratic. But, at this point, they seem likely to do a little less damage in our world which is naturally full of more than enough misery without the neo-con efforts to re-create it in their own image.

Guy Benyovits, www.ynetnews.com, Israel :

Democrats? As long as they'll oppose Iran

If one would conduct a random survey in an Israeli street about the Clinton era in the White House, two main answers would automatically appear: One, He was a great president, he tried to bring peace to the region; And two, he was a lousy president who didn't fight terror but tried to appease the terrorists ? and then we got the Intifada and 9/11.

So what can we deduce from this? Are most Israelis rooting for Democrats or Republicans in the congressional elections?

I think that the anti-Bush wave that rippled around the world during recent years has yet to reach Israel. Many Israelis still believe that the current president and Republican administration did more than his Democratic predecessor for Israel, mainly by eliminating "the eastern front", meaning the Iraqi threat.

They also see the tough attitude of the administration against the Hamas regime as positive, as well as providing Israel with an almost Carte Blanche to retaliate in Gaza and the territories.

But the main issue that troubles many Israelis, including myself, is Iran. The United States, in its role as "The World's Policeman" is viewed as the only power that can prevent a future of a nuclear Iran, lead by fanatic extremists who have pledged to eradicate Israel.

Joke about Bush's pronunciation of "nucl-e-a-r" as much as you want. Here in Israel, he is seen as the only factor capable of saving our children's future. Now, would a democratic congress assist him in that ? or be a stumbling block? That, for us, is the real question. A question of survival.

AM, Vienna, VA :

BobL-VA at October 16, 2006 07:23 PM

I must disagree with your basic premise. The Bush/Cheney variety is the logical conclusion of the extremism and absolutism (actually intolerance of dissenting opinion) that was first exhibited by the Reagan group (Actually, the current administration is the Reagan group, a little older). In 1994, drunk with power, they aggravated the situation culminating in the impeachment fiasco.

In short, the Republicans must do a thorough cleaning of the party (including gaining some independence from the fanatical religious right).

I hope that there are still enough Conservatives left in the Republican party to affect the change. (And by 'Conservatives' I exclude the religious and the 'neo-' variety, because they have different agendas).

PS: I am neither Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative. But we need SOME distinction.

Centerm usa :


i am for it if congress puts a stop to the expansionist policies of israel! (fat chance)

Doc, Lyles, TN :

Less one forget that the PEOPLE voted for President Bush (twice) and the Republican Senate and House. Less one forget that the PEOPLE decide how Congress should be run. The PEOPLE, once again, will decide who governs for the next 2 or 4 years. Polictical corruption runs on both sides of the house. Ask Delay, ask Ney, ask Cunningham and then ask Reid, ask Jefferson and ask Mendenz. You've been reading too many comic books to think our enocomy is in trouble. Check Wall Street, check the unemployment office. How many of you stayed on your representative tail for overspending and our foreign policy toward Iraq, North Korea and the war on terrorist? It is easy to sit on the sideline and judge but you don't want to get involved. Just sit out here and complain. I personally don't give a hoot what other countries think of us. Europe could give a darn about what we think or feel. They have problems just like us. You folks don't have a clue as to what WE will be facing for the next 10 or 20 years with the war on terrorist. Regardless who runs the House. It's not going away. To think that a Democratic control House or Senate will make you safer is living in a "make believe" world. It ain't happening. It's wishfull thinking but you better wake up. It's going to get worst before it gets better. Are we prepared...NO.

My answer to the question is NO. They (Dem's) don't know how to fight the kind of war we're facing. Staying on the offense is the only way this country can win. Because the next time we get attacked...the death toll will be greater than the 3000 that we lost on 9/11. As Madd Max would say..."wake up America". You better or your people will surely pay.

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Advanced Reader Global Question: "Does anyone where you live think that a Democratic Congress in the U.S. would be better for the world?"

In Canada, an anecdotal sampling of mine this a.m. says yes to the question. The present federal minority government, Conservative,ostensibly would say "No" but the Conservatives have sharply differing opinions with the Bush administration on bulk fresh water sales to the U.S. from Canada's fresh water resources (the largest in the world), which Canada bans (no Canadian fresh water pipeline from the Great Lakes to the parched American southwest farmers, no tankers loaded with fresh water there, either), the U.S. tariff on Canadian softwood lumber, our boycott of Cuba (a favorite Canadian tourist destination), and our new passport requirements on Canadian visitors to the U.S., among others. So the Conservatives here may quietly state a preference for the Bush administration, but when it comes to Canadian national interests, the Conservatives have policies little more appealing to the Bush administration than the Liberals, the National Democrats, the Greens and the Parti Quebecois. And on social issues, Canadaians seem much more in synch with the Liberal wing of the Democratic party and Liberal Republicans than Conservatives of either major party. I doubt that George Bush, for instance, could receive the kind of mass public outpouring of welcomes that Bill Clinton received last month at a town hall meeting in Halifax, Nova Scotia (Clinton, unlike Bush when he was here months ago, didn't, for instance, have to joke to reporters how relieved he was that the protesters to his visit didn't all give him the finger). Implicit in the international sigh of relief, should the Democrats retake the Congress, is that it will reflect the strength of democracy. Continuity in holding on to power in government runs against the whole premise of democracy, which is to give the opposition a chance, as in baseball, to score or to bat. Continuity in holding onto power is for authoritarian regimes, dictatorships (North Korea's Kim Jong il, Cuba's Fidel Castro), monarchies, theocracies (the Vatican State's Popes, Tibet's Dalai Lama) and so-called democratic governments controlled by ethnic, tribal, racial and religiously oppressive groups(Myanamar, Israel, North Korea, Taiwan, Iraq....)where no loyal opposition ever is permitted a role or chance at governing. When Democracies do not permit changes in the politial control of the government, it is a sure sign that the politics have become less than democratic, as we see in the rise of a police state in the Bush administered U.S. directed mostly, it seems, at groups not part of the Republican electoral calculus or demographics.
Democracy is about participation and getting a chance to govern. The Republicans have had their chance. Now it's the turn of the Democrats.
In a democratic country, getting a chance to govern may mean, if politicians are indeed our only native criminal class, that a regime change in Congress will result in enfranchising a new set of potential felons. But no system of government is perfect, democracy so far seeming to be the least oppressive kind of government. Americans seen from here ,also,to implicitly understand how absolute power corrupts and, sooner rather than late, most politicians once in office begin to express terribly exaggerated views about their importance, with the ones in power behaving eventually as though there's no one else who is competent to replace them (which may be true only for the select number of lobbying interests that they patronize). But power can be addictive as well as corrupting; and one may see that in the basic governing basic social unit, a family beset by a fractious power struggle over domestic responsibilities between husband and wife. Look at Republican Senator George Allen of Virginia in his present campaign for re-election. What better example of the American political national anthem, "Lie and deny." (The lyrics sound really as though they've come from a bad marriage: "So, my fellow Virginians, who do you believe, your lying ears, or what I tell you?")?

Carl Senna, Saint John, Canada :

Advanced Reader Global Question: "Does anyone where you live think that a Democratic Congress in the U.S. would be better for the world?"

In Canada, an anecdotal sampling of mine this a.m. says yes to the question. The present federal minority government, Conservative,ostensibly would say "No" but the Conservatives have sharply differing opinions with the Bush administration on bulk fresh water sales to the U.S. from Canada's fresh water resources (the largest in the world), which Canada bans (no Canadian fresh water pipeline from the Great Lakes to the parched American southwest farmers, no tankers loaded with fresh water there, either), the U.S. tariff on Canadian softwood lumber, our boycott of Cuba (a favorite Canadian tourist destination), and our new passport requirements on Canadian visitors to the U.S., among others. So the Conservatives here may quietly state a preference for the Bush administration, but when it comes to Canadian national interests, the Conservatives have policies little more appealing to the Bush administration than the Liberals, the National Democrats, the Greens and the Parti Quebecois. And on social issues, Canadaians seem much more in synch with the Liberal wing of the Democratic party and Liberal Republicans than Conservatives of either major party. I doubt that George Bush, for instance, could receive the kind of mass public outpouring of welcomes that Bill Clinton received last month at a town hall meeting in Halifax, Nova Scotia (Clinton, unlike Bush when he was here months ago, didn't, for instance, have to joke to reporters how relieved he was that the protesters to his visit didn't all give him the finger). Implicit in the international sigh of relief, should the Democrats retake the Congress, is that it will reflect the strength of democracy. Continuity in holding on to power in government runs against the whole premise of democracy, which is to give the opposition a chance, as in baseball, to score or to bat. Continuity in holding onto power is for authoritarian regimes, dictatorships (North Korea's Kim Jong il, Cuba's Fidel Castro), monarchies, theocracies (the Vatican State's Popes, Tibet's Dalai Lama) and so-called democratic governments controlled by ethnic, tribal, racial and religiously oppressive groups(Myanamar, Israel, North Korea, Taiwan, Iraq....)where no loyal opposition ever is permitted a role or chance at governing. When Democracies do not permit changes in the politial control of the government, it is a sure sign that the politics have become less than democratic, as we see in the rise of a police state in the Bush administered U.S. directed mostly, it seems, at groups not part of the Republican electoral calculus or demographics.
Democracy is about participation and getting a chance to govern. The Republicans have had their chance. Now it's the turn of the Democrats.
In a democratic country, getting a chance to govern may mean, if politicians are indeed our only native criminal class, that a regime change in Congress will result in enfranchising a new set of potential felons. But no system of government is perfect, democracy so far seeming to be the least oppressive kind of government. Americans seen from here ,also,to implicitly understand how absolute power corrupts and, sooner rather than late, most politicians once in office begin to express terribly exaggerated views about their importance, with the ones in power behaving eventually as though there's no one else who is competent to replace them (which may be true only for the select number of lobbying interests that they patronize). But power can be addictive as well as corrupting; and one may see that in the basic governing basic social unit, a family beset by a fractious power struggle over domestic responsibilities between husband and wife. Look at Republican Senator George Allen of Virginia in his present campaign for re-election. What better example of the American political national anthem, "Lie and deny." (The lyrics sound really as though they've come from a bad marriage: "So, my fellow Virginians, who do you believe, your lying ears, or what I tell you?")?

Thea, Lakeland, FL :

Are you kidding me? Let the subpoenas fly! Maybe then someone will tell me why is it costing taxpayers $2 BILLION a week to run this war when major expenditures for the military are not included in this sum?

My friends and I are tired of war profiteering.
We're tired of torture.
We're tired of the bullying and scare tactics.
We're tired of "cowboy diplomacy."
We're tired of being told, "Who do you believe, me or your lying eyes?"

We're tired of Republicans letting corporations draft legislation behind closed doors.
We're tired of Republicans holding votes open past deadlines to twist arms.
We're tired of legislators who cannot read legislation before voting on it.
We're tired of huge deficits.
We're tired of earmarks.

We're tired of the "double speak."
We're tired of having rational voices drowned out by the party in power.
We're tired of the hypocrisy.
We're tired of "stay the course."
We're tired of cronies and incompetents running the show.
We're tired of the lack of oversight.
We're tired of the destruction of the enviornment.
We're tired of having scientific studies altered to fit ideology.
We're tired of going it alone in the World.
We're tired of Condi Rice.
We're tired of never knowing what our government is up to.

In short, we're tired of the Republicans.

Ken McGee :

Where I live? Man, this is red state America where I live in the rural South. I have a bumper stickrr that reads: What is there about, "thou shalt not kill" that you don't understand. It can get you a hard look at the least, the finger at the most in the rural South. They would "swift boat" Jesus if he was against Bush. When a hunter accidentally kills someone here, it is called collateral damage! NO, I don't know anyone here that thinks a democratic congress would help the world.

Pravin Gandhi, USA :

No. American electorate has not changed its view of the world, it has lost confidence in Republicans.
Democrats, if they get a majority, will be more focused on domestic issues - economy, jobs, social security, etc., etc. Any progress in these area will help them solidify their majority and may even help win presidency in 2008. On foreign policy issues they will make noises, will force only a marginal changes, and let Bush hang himself.

Mike :

Only if a Democratic-controlled Congress has the guts to move for impeachment of a president who has betrayed the country by lying it into a disastrous war.

Dudley Smith, Los Angeles, USA :

The Democrats in charge of Congress would be an unmitigated disaster for the country. Impeachment of a President is never good for this country, it wasn't when the R's did it to Clinton, and it won't be when the Dems try to do it to Bush. I voted for Clinton twice and Gore, but since 9/11 I have completely lost faith in the National Democratic Party's ability to govern as a majority. The good news is that there is only so much trouble they can cause in two years, by which time the nation will have recoiled in horror and put the R's, flawed as they are, back in charge.

Steve, Annapolis, MD :

Absolutely not! These guys can't even be an effective MINORITY party let alone a majority. The citizens of the US deserve more than "we hate Bush". What kind of agenda is that? Nah, the Dems are worse off than the Republicans....for however much disregard there is for this Republican Congress, the Dems are held in much lower regard not only here in the States but around the world as well. Who wants a bunch of cowardly quitters running the show?

Robbie Jones, Philadelphia, USA :

Just reading some of the insane, bitter, venomous rantings of the posts above mine, written by unhappy miserable and inefectual liberals makes me realize just how bad a congress controlled by like-minded people will be for this country. What a bunch of whiners. And when I see people talk about an improved economy under the Democrats I just about collapse laughing! Bush takes over an economy that was in recession, and six years later it's sailing along and never been better - pleeeeeese! All the Dems will do is revert to the old socialist handbook - increase the minimum wage (therefore creating less jobs) raise taxes etc etc. And God help us if we ever put the security of our nation in the hands of yellow-belly appeasers in the face of the worst threat to our existence we have ever faced.

Eric Blair, Philadelphia, PA :

Electing a Democratic congress will mean more dead Americans, pure and simple. The various terrorist groups have some idea how the current administration and Congress has been behaving and what their likely reactions will be to any action. A new Democratic congress will have to be tested, and the current candidates have made no secret of their intention to pull the US out of Iraq. That means more terrorism, and more dead Americans. Except instead of volunteer soldiers dying (which none of you care about anyway) it will be ordinary American citizens.

David, Grand Rapids, USA :

The Dimocrats didn't know who or what they were about during the 40 years they had control of Congress. It's taken the Republicans a few years to get us back on track, but they've done that, despite constant sniping and whining...
The person who commented earlier: "Let the subpoenas fly!" is exactly the sort of irresponsible jerk embodied by the Democrats... Let the subpoenas fly! And forget about the dangerous world we live in; forget about nuclear proliferation; forget about the violent fragmentation of Russia; forget about the socialist dictators in South America; forget, forget, forget about everything, but gee whiz fellas... LET THE SUBPOENAS FLY!
Well, I don't think it'll happen. The Republicans aren't story-book wonderful, they've got plenty of problems, vanities, etc... but they're serious about the serious stuff... Dims are even worse in the dysfunctional family sense, but they'll stay losers because they are just not serious about the real issues.

Loadmaster, TN :

How about this question.

"What's going to happen if the Dem's lose'? Will Nancy be removed or poor old Howard will be without a job? Harry Reid will have to go back to selling more land in Vegas. If the R's are SO bad and the President lied so much...then it's NO contest. The R's should then stay home and let the D's get what THEY think we owe them. The problem is what about US? Should we deserve to lose? I think not. The conservative base will show up in millions.

Trust me..we will turn out. Early voting starts soon and we (4 in house and all R's) can't wait to get to the ballot box to make sure the Dem's get what we owe them. The message of "we hate Bush", "Bush lied" will not win elections.

Evan, Charlotte, USA :

While I am not a fan of our two largest parties, I am in agreement that the Republicans deserve to lose but the Democrats have not proved to me that they deserve to win.

If the Democrats win the House I think there will be even more vitriol in our national politics. The upside will be a divided Congress and Senate; less bills will be passed, the speed of government will slow down. There will hopefully be less pork passed, but I think the two parties will still find common ground on ear-marks.

And I have no doubt that two years of Democratic rule, of the House, will be off putting to the American public. The Dems just canít help themselves from an innate sense of elitist entitlement. The Democrats should beware what they wish; 2008 looms large.

AndyJ, Portland Ory-Gun :

A Democrat Congress would be GREAT for TV and NEWSPAPERS. More spin, more controversy, more hearings (an Impeachment Investigation), lots more investigations into ALL the Republican Evils and lots more cover-up of Democrat wrongs.

The Democrats do not have an agenda, plan or even a proposal. They will follow the polls wherever they lead and give great press so that we all feel good. "Appearance IS Reality" is the Democrat way...

The world will benefit because Chavez, Ahminedjad, Kim et al will be treated with solemn dignity and respect. They will accept it as their due. They will build bombs and we will supply the assistance.

Republicans have not earned re-election. The Democrats have not shown they are ready for an adult world. "Close your eyes and think of a better world" to paraphrase Queen Victoria.

M. Stratas :

Bush, Cheney & Rove have damaged the country. They think they have the power to do whatever they want because the Republican-controlled Congress has done nothing to stop them. A Democratic-controlled Congress will be good for America. They could not do any worse than what the Bushies have done: huge deficit, Iraq debacle, Afghanistan debacle, Bin Laden & Taliban resurgence, hatred from most of the world, Katrina debacle, ad nauseum. Bush has given Americans a tolerance for incompetence and failures. Democrats should do better.

Jane, MA :

Does anyone where you live think that a Democratic Congress in the U.S. would be better for the world?

Frankly I can't imagine anything worse.

MEC2, Frisco TX, USA :

Everything wrong with modern political thought is present in this thread...

Several people have indicated... everyone they know welcomes a change to a Democrat House and Senate. Really? I mean EVERYONE you know? Everyone you know thinks just the way you do? Does that sound normal, or remotely healthy intellectually? You know nobody who would prefer the House to remain Republican? What does that say about the intellectual diversity and breadth of your social contacts?

We have the usual small-minded ad hominems. Bushless? Does that even make a lick of sense? But it feeds your political pathology of "Not on my team". No matter what, it's not what going right, or wrong, but whose at the helm that dictates ones opinions. Just look at the hyperbolic, breathless rhetoric in the alot of these posts. It reveals one thing - your guys aren't in power.

And THAT, for too many, is the only game in town...

Gary Masters, Rockville, USA :

The Democrats seem to be against everything the President has done and for every thing he has opposed. He attacks in Iraq. Wrong, they say. He removes troops from Afghanistan. Again wrong they chant. He sends diplomats to Korea. Wrong.

Every time I see Reed or Pelosi they are angry. I wish Nader was still arround. I would vote for him again.

I think what we really want ids divided government. Perhaps a Democratic house and Republican Senate. Then someone has to get support to pass a law.

Bipartisan support.

Cool.

celebrim :

You guys are funny. At least you'll always have that.

Hendrik Van den Berg :

The sad thing is that so few Nebraskans ever think about the U.S. role in the world. As long as they can watch Survivor, farm subsidies keep flowing in, and we are "protected" from gay marriage, it's fine to kill lots of people that look like Middle Easterners and to just wag our finger at the French, the Iraninans, and anyone else who is foreign. This apathy and incredible ignorance on the part of Americans has enabled an administration that doesn't seem to have put much serious thought into its foreign policy either. All in all, it is obvious why the U.S. is failing so dismally in carrying out its role as a world leader. Unfortunately, there is little sign that the Democrats have a more enlightened view. If they do, I would sure like them to start telling us about it.

Ray, Philadelphia, USA :

When the Democrats can't beat one of the weakest imcumbent presidents in the last century in a straight election;
When the party's battle cry is alternatively "we're not the other guy" and "we can't possibly do worse";
When their only concrete ideas are raising taxes and turning tail and running from the declared war on religious extremists (but they'll go toe to toe with those dangerous theocratic Presbyterians or Southern Baptists, they only feel the need for 'dialog' and 'engagement' with known head-choppers);
When their constant refrain is about what America has done wrong, screwed up, and can't do;
When they see the United States through the eyes of Europe and the ME, searching for external validation like a fat teenager;
When the party of 'tolerance' and 'diversity' demands lockstep idealogical adherence over principle (see Lieberman, Joe);
When anything and everything is blamed on 'the greedy corporations' seemingly without realizing that those greedy corporations pay the bills of the majority of this countries taxpayers;
When they attack my faith, my wallet, and my intelligence by pushing liberal social and economic programs in an increasingly centrist country and still expecting me to vote for them...
Nobody with a functioning brainstem and/or a job thinks the Dems would be better. In fact, the only way you'd think that would be if your name was Osama. Dems have systematically purged the party of anyone with a backbone or the conviction to do anything other than gain power. And in this age of pardons for sale and shady land deals, does anyone actually believe that the Dems aren't in someone's pocket? So you trade pockets, big f'ing deal. The Republicans are no great shakes either, but at least they're not pathological losers and quitters.

PWT, Glen Cove, USA :

Few people where I live would like to see a Democratic congress. Taxes are high enough and almost everyone knows somebody who lost a relative or friend on September 11th. However, I work in Chelsea NYC and would be hard pressed to find anybody in that area that would admit that they vote republican.

Republican policies are what lead to the gentrification of the Chelsea neighborhood but the residents fail to see any causal relationship. They crow about the 1990s economy which turned out to be a house of cards but ignore the current more stable growth economy claiming that it is the house of cards designed to crumbel in January of 2009. We all see what we want to see but when I'm at work I see thousands of children over the age of 18.

Jason, Boise, United State :

Some people where I live may. But the real key is this: would Kim Jong Il, the Mullahs in Iran, and terrorists world wide want a democrat congress? The answer is a big and resounding yes. Anyone who doesn't like a great economy, the marriage tax benefit, the 10% tax rate, and a dow near 12000 may like a democrat congress too.

Charlie, Flower Mound, Texas :

I don't see how we as a nation can lose. If the Dems fail at this juncture to claim at least one house of congress, that should precipitate their long overdue overhaul. If they prevail in their current Pelosi/Reid incarnation, they almost certainly doom their prospects for 2008. (Just imagine the antics we'll be treated to!)

The Dems only hope is sweeping away the 60s deadwood—the tax and spenders, the race baiters, the America-last crowd, the neo-socialists—and find some fresh minds. Otherwise, I see the political axis in the not-too-distant future completing the shift to more libertarian/statist than the present liberal/conservative.

Loadmaster, TN :

The real question is:

What happens is the D's lose more seats in both houses? My, My, My! No one is asking that question. Will the D's change their message going into 2008? Their current message is not working.

The conservative base will not let a party of "Bush lied" and "we hate Bush" and with no agenda on how to fight terror win this election. We want to protect our families. Until you have a message that will make us feel comfortable, it will never happen. This is about LIFE..nothing more and nothing less. That is why the "base" will be there on Nov 7th. We want to make sure we give the D's what they think we owe them.

Bob, Louisville, MO :

I don't know how Nixon won. Nobody I know voted for him.

Dave Lawler, Minneapolis, MN USA :

The Democrats have bungled their minority status. They did not adapt to the constant lies that came from the White House and the Republican Congress. They were powerless, and they tried to do the best they could for the constituencies back home. Like all in Congress, they sold out. But remember, Democrats were known as "Tax and Spend Democrats," which was correct, but they did not allow the deficit to leap as Reagan and 43 have done. They made us pay our bills, for the most part. So if they take back Congress, they will have a lot of work to do to begin to right the sins of the Republicans. Their "values" should be hard work and accountability to "we the people," and maybe the total lies industry will take a long vacation. So it will be better, and the Republican high horse they have ridden since 1994 will be shown as crippled and empty.

:

Yes.

We want to burn far-right Christians alive (such as what we did at Waco), not shut down terrorist regimes.

We want to raise taxes, not incomes.

We want to shut down talk radio, not terror cells.

We want to put machine pistols in the faces of 6 year old Cuban boys, not in the faces of Iranian agents working with insurgents in Iraq.

We want to regulate the Internet and ban cartoons which offend Muslims.

We want to raise the minimum wage, not create jobs.

We want to emulate the regime in Cuba at home, not spread democracy abroad.

We want to destroy Bushco. For he is the devil.

San Francisco :

YES!!!

We believe that Bush, Cheney, and Republicans bear sole responsibility for 9/11;

We believe that the United States and its policies are responsible for making terrorists attack this country;

We believe that if we get rid of George Bush and the Republicans, we will once again be safe;

We believe that the people of America who supported those policies over the years (during Republican administrations) are little Eichmanns, and deserved to die on 9/11 ;

We are ready to believe (if the polls support thinking that way) that Bush and Cheney actually planned the events of 9/11 as a prelude to taking over this country, destroying our civil liberties; and instituting a fascist state.

We believe that Israel probably had a part in the events of 9/11, working with Bush and Cheney in some sort of neocon plot;

We believe that the only people who are innocent of 9/11 are the actual terrorists who plotted and executed it;

We believe that Bill Clinton and his administration had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 and that, if Al Gore had won the 2000 election then 9/11 would never have happened;

We believe that anyone who disagrees with the above statement is trying to distort history and their views should be prohibited. Only we —and Michael Moore— know the truth and should be heard.

We believe that Bill Clinton and Sandy Berger have never lied;

We believe that the most serious outcome of 9/11 is the Islamophobia and the unconscionable backlash that has victimized Muslims in the U.S.;

We believe that the greatest threat to freedom in this country occurs when images of 9/11 are used to further the warmongering plans of the Bush Administration;

We believe that all the rhetoric used by the Bush Adminsitration is pure evil, designed to manipulate people to hate; but that the rhetoric used by Iran and the fatwas of Al Qaeda are "only words" and should not be taken at all seriously;
We believe that the people who flew airplanes into buildings on 9/11 are reasonable people who you can trust, and with whom you can discuss reality;

We believe that the Bush Administration is irrational, unreasonble and certainly cannot be trusted; and that they are completely out of touch with reality.

We believe that Iraq had nothing—nothing—to do with 9/11 because Saddam Hussein and his lieutenants have clearly said so, and we believe and trust them.

We believe that the deaths of almost 3000 Americans on 9/11 is not a big deal; certainly doesn't deserve the disproportionate response that the Bush Adminsitration has taken in the last 5 years; and that the threat to the U.S. has been grossly overblown and manipulated so that the Bush Adminsitration and Republicans can accumulate political power.

We believe that our motives in saying all this are pure, holy, and extremely patriotic; because we have no desire to acquire political power for ourselves and that it is our selfless duty to make sure the American people accept our creed.

We believe this country has suffered horribly under George W. Bush,
whose policies have caused us to
descend into hell.

But in November, 2006 , we will rise from the dead.
and ascend into congressional heaven
and shall sit once again at the right hand of power
from whence we shall judge the current administration.

We believe in the perfection of the U.N.,
the communion of multiculturalism,
the victimhood of the oppressed,
the resurrection of a dead ideology,
and denial everlasting.

Amen.

Ed, Pittsburgh USA :

You have to be kidding me.

Would the democrats be better? Maybe if they had a plan - but they don't. All they can agree upon (or are willing to tell) is:

* Raise taxes

* No border fence

* Get out of Iraq immediately

* Whatever the republicans do is wrong, no matter what

* Everything that goes wrong can be blamed directly on republicans (including tsunamis)

* Lieberman is the devil

I mean, come on! I remember the hue and cry about the Katrina hurricane season - the reason that we had so many hurricanes that year was because Bush wouldn't sign Kyoto.

How's that hurricane season this year guys? Is this year's lack of hurricanes also due to Bush? Oh wait, Gaia has relented as a sign that Democrats should be elected!

Not much of a platform, guys.

Peter, New York City :

Does anyone where you live think that a Democratic Congress in the U.S. would be better for the world? I live in NYC. Everyone believes that.

Yet they only think that because they hate Republicans so. The better question is would a Democratic Congress in the U.S. *actually* be better for the world? I'm afraid the answer is "no". But I'm afraid we're going to find out.

Jake, Memphis USA :

Wow, some of you people are going to be so disappointed come November.

BobL-VA :

AM-Vienna,

We're both right. For the sake of brevity I left out what led up to the Bush/Cheney/Rove takeover. Like most political processes it was a work in the making.

To: Our republican respondents

This is our nation. Not yours, not mine, but ours. If one thing should be crystal clear from these postings that simple premise has been lost under the current administration. Seeing as how no politican, republican or democrat, can keep all of the people happy I'll opt for the side that allows all of us to live as closely as possible to the way each of us wants. Personal choice is the key to this concept. I don't want some bible toting neocon bigot thwarting important medical research or trying to ban a womans right to choose. I don't want leaders who will appoint judges based solely on their conservative principles in order to legislate morality from the bench. I want you to be able to live YOUR life the way you want to and I want to live mine the way I want to. Brushless & Co. believe we should all live our lives the way they see America and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I have nothing against the republican party. I have nothing against the democratic party. It's people we end up rating more then parties. Bushit has been a dividing polarizing force in this country representing a minority view. This unholy neocon, religous right, main stream republican and conservative independent/democrat alliance is coming apart at the seams. It was that alliance that propelled Bish into office and the break up of that alliance is what will be the undoing of the neocon movement. Reason and sanity might just make a come back in America.

Mike, Virginia, USA :

I think the Dems would be a disaster both on the economic front and in foreign policy. Sure, the Repubs have botched some things up but I think a shift to the left side of the house would result in: higher taxes, slowing economy, inflation, higher unemployment and a return to the continuous terror attacks—possibly escalating to a dirty nuke in a major city. I question the intelligence of the Repubs, but I question the sanity of the Dems.

Mike Thompson edgewater fl.USA :

I don't know if we would be any better under the Democrats.
I do know that the graft, corruption, war profiteering, concentration camps, and torture have got to go. that means the Republicans have got to go.

Dana H., USA :

One good thing that might come out of a Democratic win in November is some soul-searching by the Republicans. I can only hope that they will conclude that their welfare-statist (Medicare expansion), anti-capitalist (Sarbanes-Oxley), anti-free speech (McCain-Feingold) agenda is a loser. I can only hope that they will see that the problem in the Middle East is not too much American aggression but too much American appeasement. (Islamist terrorism will not go away until we take down its state sponsors like Iran, rather than passing empty UN resolutions.) I can only hope that we will see a resurgence of what used to be the party of small government and freedom for the individual.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Matt, Massachusetts :

In blue country everyone has wanted Bush out for a long time. The interesting thing is that when you talk to people, one of the things they always mention is immigration. Even people in MA want the border closed to illegals and no amnesty. My guess is a Democrat Congress and Bush as President will combine to create a massive voter backlash in 2008.

Michael, Columbia, MO, USA :

Anybody that thinks the hapless democrats have a clue is deluded and watches way too much TV. Nancy Pelosi? John Murtha? Harry Reid? Chuckie Schumer? Joe Biden? Barney Franks? John Kerry? Charlie Rangel? Babs Boxer? And on and on... Biggest bunch of losers in a single organization I have ever seen. No leadership. Corrupt to the core. Clueless. All they do is carp and complain. No ideas. Nothing...unless you count things like Reid's recently exposed real estate deals with mob-connected shady characters. This bunch of clowns wanted Mark Foley's head on a stake - a man who so far has only been accused of emails to pages - whilst they sing the praises of former congressman Studds who actually DID molest a minor page and his only excuse is that the minor boy "knew what he was doing." And the idiots in Mass. who keep re-electing drunk driving, homicidal maniacs like fat Teddy (how old would Mary Jo be today?) put Studds into office over and over again. This is the high point of the Democrat party. It will shrink and fade now as the truth comes out. They attacked homosexuals over Foley. They are racist - shown in their attacks on Michael Steele. All the so-called constituents they "stand for" are nothing but objects of the con to them. They will destroy this country if we let them. But we are smarter than that.

Dave Cincinnati US :

Democrats are unwilling or unable to offer mainstream alternatives to the policies of the guy they endlessly obsess over.

th sister, www.coalitionoftheswilling.net, P-Cola, FL :

"Let the subpoenas fly!" Well, I wish they would, but try as I might, I don't see ANY Harry Reid ANYTHING on MSNBC's home page. A Democratic anything would be a disaster.

Just like there's no headlines about the economy ~ a deficit that's being cut in half years ahead of projections, record tax receipts on BOTH state and federal levels, near record low unemployment, surprisingly chirpy consumer sentiment numbers, on and on ad nauseum. Even the 'slowing' of the economy is a wished for event, bringing record growth in GDP to sustainable levels of around 2.9%, vice supercharged 5 or 6%. God, the economic good news doesn't seem to stop coming, but you would be hard pressed to FIND it.

The Democrats have to decide how they want it as far as the President goes, because one of these days the 'sheeple*' will wake up and ask "Well, wait a minute there? He CAN'T be the world's biggest super ee-ville GENIUS ever, EVER, AND the world's biggest MO-RON at the same time?"

"Can he?"

*Thank you South Park

David, Grand Rapids, USA :

Saw Mark Halperin on CSPAN yesterday.
He said that the problem for the Dims was that they had to lie all the time about their policies, because folks really didn't want what they were selling. The Rethuglikkkans, however, were advantaged by the fact that at least they could tell the truth about their beliefs to voters. Whether they were any good at implementing their beliefs was an open question.
So, would a Congress composed of people who had to lie about their true beliefs be better than a Congress composed of people who proclaimed their true beliefs but weren't very good at putting them into practice? I don't think so.

The Lion, Houston, USA :

As a person of independent bent, I observe the behavior(language) advanced by most of your commentators, and I begin to understand why the rhetoric of our politicians is so coarse- it reflects the rhetoric of most of the responders herein. Is it not possible to engage in political dialogue in a more civil manner? Must the language be that of a gang of school children groping for words that give expression to their anger, adolescence, and inadequately developed intellect? Can't the debate be about issues without engaging in ad hominem attacks? Are we on any higher ground than the Shia and Sunni who kill each other in pursuit of their own ends? We can do better and must if we want to bring honor to the principles we inherited from our Founders.

Dave S, Mentor, OH :

Unlike most of the posters, I'll answer your question: my wife thinks the Dems would do better while I believe they will demonstrate even greater incompetence for want of any ideas or principles except pursuit of power. The public, which has chosen Republicans for some time, is apparently about to make a political decision between the acceptable and the reprehensible (as are all political decisions) and choose the latter. Should be interesting to watch.

Rick, New York, USA :

Is this a trick question???

Paul, Atlanta, USA :

I find the Democrats odious. I do not believe in socialism, moral relativsm or that radical Islamics or North Korean nutjobs can be bargained with. We tried bribing Kim Jong-Il once and all he did was continue his nuclear work anyway. Why would he stick to any new agreement?

I don't believe in teachers' unions, high taxes, socialized medicine or the European model. I don't believe in blanket amnesty, but rather in a radical overhaul of our immigration system (allowing guest workers form Mexico and citizenship for some who demonstrate an ability to take care of themselves and their family). I don't like being told I should pay more in taxes by millionaires who shelter their income in tax-free muni bonds and other more complicated shelters that their tax attorney come up with (read:Hollywood actors, Mrs. Heinz-Kerry).

However, the Republicans have shamefully squandered their years in office and have become drunk with power. I will be voting libertarian. Someone call me when a fiscally conservative party, strong in national defense and unencumbered by the religious right is formed. I'm not holding my breath.

Art, Reading, USA :

Sadly no, it won't make a meaningful difference. Republican or
Democrat; just different sides of the same coin. A third party,
willing to represent "we the people" would be necessary.

Keep in mind, one definition of insane action:
"doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different
result."

BobL-VA :

The Lion, Houston, USA,

You had me right up to your last line, "....the principles we inherited from our Founders." Exactly what principles are you talking about?

With the possible exception of how government is basically organized our Founding Fathers would find todays society

:

"A worse president I don't think has existed in this country. He has mismanaged everything he has touched. He has divided this country like no other president in history." You didn't learn much about the Civil War did you?

Stosh, Cincinnati, OH :

No one I know thinks a Democratic Congress would be better for the world. Just about everyone has Republican fatigue, but the Democrats appear to have even fewer ideas, ideals or morals. It's a choice between bad & worse.

Dave Price, Vernon HIlls, USA :

The Dems would be WONDERFUL. There is far too much freedom and democracy in the world. It's time to give brutal oppression, unfairly stigmatized by Bush and the neocons, another chance to crush the dreams and aspirations of billions.

Dems would get us back to tried-and-true policies of appeasing dictatorships, ignoring terrorists, and letting the UN run our foreign policy.

Domestically, we need higher taxes and more government spending. Yes, the GOP has spent more, but the Dems would really open the floodgates, treating the economy to the type of efficiency only a massive government bureaucracy can provide.

Oscar Schneegans, Bamberg, Germany :

I can think of a few people who would welcome a Democrat congress in the United States...

Al Qaida
Hezbolla
Hamas
Islamic Jihad

There are more, but you get the picture.

BobL-VA :

The Lion, Houston, USA,

Sorry, I hit the wrong button by accident. ....my point was to be our world has changed so much in the last 200+ years our Founding Fathers wouldn't recognize anything today. From a small pre-industrial revolution agrarian society, which allowed slavery and wasn't that far removed from burning witches, to the world's nuclear superpower. It would be fascinating to see how we would draft a constitution today taking into account the issues we face in modern society.

GR, Alexandria, US :

The Dems need to take one house of Congress, and better the House than the Senate. The GOP needs its rearend kicked a bit. It's become too arrogant. As much as I dread a House led by Pelosi, Rangel and Murtha, a Democratic-led Senate would dictate who sits on our courts, and that's unacceptable. So, with dread and resignation, I do feel that the Democrats winning the House is the best alternative.

Mikeb in Cleveland :

I wouldn't mind a Democratically controlled Congress because I think we would then finally see how the Democrats propose to GOVERN. I think having a degree of real power in Congress would temper the Democrats irrational and unproductive assertions these past few years. For instance — there's a lot ot criticize in how the Bush Adminsitration has handles detainees. But the fact is that fighting a sort of low-level, on going war presents tough challenges and our criminal justice system isn't set-up to handle it. The country NEEDS both parties to support the same general course of action. And, for whatever reason you wish to attribute it to, the Democrats and Republicans have gotten together on critical issues. I am personally very dissappointed that the Dems have IMO got way off course in their criticisms of an obviously imperfect President. But I think a Democratic Congressional majority would force a degree of accountability for the Democrats that they haven't had to live up to these past 6 years, and it would force a degree of sanity and pragmaticism that has been missing.

bdog57, Fort Worth, TX :

I paraphrase a quote from Jim Geraghty (NRO): If the Republicans lose control of Congress, it will be because they stopped acting like Republicans. Yup.

Sorry, my county -of residence- voted 77% for Bush. I don't always like him, but I've preferred him to both alternatives. Same with my Republican Congresspersons.

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"It would be fascinating to see how we would draft a constitution today taking into account the issues we face in modern society."

This has been attempted before. Look up via Wikipedia:

Communist USSR

National Socialist Germany

Fascist Italy

Communist Cuba

Communist North Korea

Rich, Long Island, NY, USA :

During this administration, we have seen a quantum shift in the foreign policy of the United States.

This Administration has been willing to confront those who would perpetrate totalitarian rule through terror tactics, even to the point of the direct and decisive use of American military force.

Previously, even prudent men like Ronald Reagan were often dissuaded from overt confrontations like this; in part because of the greater Soviet threat at the time (that Mr. Reagan was successful in confronting), but also because so many of our "best and brightest" vigorously promoted diplomacy over direct action to the point of making reliance upon diplomacy the conventional wisdom across the world.

Yet, when we look at post-WWII history, how many people were liberated from totalitarian oppression ... how many nuclear arms were decommissioned ... how significantly have tensions been reduced ... by diplomacy alone, in the absence of a CREDIBLE threat of military force being used against the totalitarians?

Compare that record with that of the much-villified "cowboy diplomacy" of Reagan re: the Soviets, and our current President:

>Hundreds of millions freed in Eastern Europe ... some who are now helping us beat back the jihadis and thugs in Iraq.

>REAL reductions in nuclear arms ... including the removal of missile silos around my great uncles' farms in western Missouri.

>No more continuous "High Alert", complete with Looking Glass planes always in the air, and our fingers on the trigger.

>25 million Afghanis freed to choose their own destiny, instead of that dictated by the Taliban ... and Al Quada decimated, with who is left fighting us on OUR terms, instead of exploiting our open societies to perpetrate terror against us, so they can then exploit the wealth of the MidEast to rebuild a totalitarian Caliphate with themselves at the top.

>25 million Iraqis freed from Saddam Huessein — the most unpredictible gambler in the MidEast, who invaded TWO nations and shot Scuds into two more, aided and abetted terrorism worldwide, and killed his own people with chemical weapons — now removed from power, with his succesors Uday and Qusay DEAD-AY!

Yes, we are now paying a high price to confront radical Islam in Afghanistan, and (particularly) Iraq. That cost is so high today, because we did not decisively confront and eliminate these threats to civilization when they were easier to remove ... even though prudence dictated their removal.

Why were we imprudent? Because the "best and brightest" above also told us that the Unpardonable Sin was to have confidence in your principles, to the point of action ... and instead, promoted either ineffective action that stopped short of confrontation ... or outright INACTION in a shrinking world, thinking that the oceans still protected us.

Many of those so-called "best-and-brightest" make up the leadership of today's Democratic Party ... and all indications tell me that, if they return to power, they will reinstate INACTION as our foreign policy.

INACTION that brought us to our present state of affairs.

We cannot let that return to power happen.

And, there are many like me.

We won't be fooled again ...

James B. Hampstead, MD, USA :

Better for the "world?"??!! What's better for the "world" is irrelevent.

As for our country, I wouldn't mind seeing the Dems take control of the House. It would serve as a wake-up call to the somnambulent Pub leadership and give the country a peek at the grotesquerie of a Speaker Pelosi and Committee Chairs Conyers, Rangel, and Waxman. Plus, gridlock is almost always good for the country.

Chris Ford, New London, CT :

I agree with AM in Vienna:

The benefits will not be earth-shaking, but they will be two-fold:
(1) a measure of accountability in internal policies, with the more extreme tendencies of the administration checked, even if only due to gridlock;
(2) less overt beligerence towards the rest of the world.

PROVIDED:

1. The Democrats do not squader their opportunity with 2 years of investigations of the frivolous and partisan inquisitions of targeted opposition politicans.
2. They actually can formulate a coherent set of goals that advance US interests overseas. For 6 years, all they have said is "We're against whatever Bush wants", and not offered alternatives or ideas other than ones they let their stalking horses advance "withdraw all troops to Guam!", "talk more - and at the format our foes want!", "inspect every cargo container! Hire more cops! Hire more government employees to keep us all completely safe!" As a group, though, precious few real ideas Democrats say represent "The Democratic Alternative" actually exist.

Seth, Pittsburgh/Washington, DC :

As a student at American University, nearly everyone wants a Democratic Congress, but that's nothing out of the ordinary. I want none of it! As a Republican I've been disappointed with the pace of Congress, most notably Bill Frist as Senate majority leader. However, I am not naive enough to think that the best thing for the nation would be to let the Democrats get some power. They haven't come up with a platform, because all they have is "we're not Bush." That's nice for bumperstickers, but not when it comes to having to lead. After all, it would be hard to win an election when you'd have to campaign for an al Qaeda Bill of Rights, appointing judges that give a lawyer only 28 months in jail for helping her terrorist client keep up communication with fellow jihadists, and against listening to terrorist's phone calls among other things.
The economy is doing great, in large part because of Bush's tax cuts and wise handling of economic issues. Charlie Rangel has said he would work to get the tax cuts repealed and even raise taxes, and he and other Democrats have said they would cut Iraq funding. So the Dems would cut holes in the sail that has kept the economy cruising despite terror attacks and wars, and completely interrupt our exit from Iraq by cutting funding. I guess the Dems want body armor for troops but no money to actually fund the mission. And I won't even get into the foam coming out of John Conyers' mouth at the thought of impeachment. The Dems would not lead the nation or offer anything new should they take power. They'd just take the hissy fits they've been throwing since 1994 and 2000 and roll them into two years of retribution. No ideas, no real change. Immigration, if it even gets addressed, will probably be done wrong again. The only silverlining is that Bush would have the veto pen, which should have been used more than it has been up to now.
Should the Dems take the House, I don't see them holding onto it in 2008, but don't count the Republicans out yet.

:

"less overt beligerence towards the rest of the world."

CODE-WORD ALERT: The US would tolerate brutal tryants, slave-regimes and dicatorships with nuclear weapons. And submit to the French. And we would FEEL good about it.

Micheline, Burlington, VT, USA :

I know countless individuals who genuinely believe that a House with a Democratic majority will be better not only for this country but for the world. (They'd impeach Bush, they'd press for a withdrawal of troops from Iraq, they'd move to close Guantanamo, they'd scale back support for Israel, they'd single-handedly stop global warming. These friends of mine dream big.)

Mark B, New Jersey, USA :

A Democratic Congressional takeover might help improve America's image among the European elite but I doubt that it will help America in its struggle with Islamic Radicalism.

Honestly, though, it is the completely over-the-top rhetoric of some of the Democratic partisans here that make me really worry about a Democratically controlled congress. "Let the subpoenas fly"? "War Profiteering"? "Tired of Torture"?

Get a grip, folks. We are in very, very difficult times with a host of difficult and ambiguous problems to deal with - mistakes are *going* to be made. Attempting to criminalize Bush's missteps in order to gain political power, however, is grossly irresponsible. Preening on about torture or surveillance as if you could reduce the threat of terrorism without aggressive questionning or wiretaps is just cheap, feel-good rhetoric. You think it best to treat the Gitmo detainees like they are average Americans with full due process? Fine - win elections, change policy and deal with the ramifications. For my money, your moral preening and calculated outrage seems like just so much intellectual masturbation.

I don't like the Republicans' handling of the war in Iraq - nor many of their other policies - but at least I have absolutely no doubt about their commitment (Bush, in particular) to fighting back against these thuggish, medieval Islamic theocrats. So, no, I don't think a Democratically-controlled congress would be good for America.

daniel :

The older I become, the more I strive to overcome the contradictions in life, the more I feel life is a giant contradiction machine which just spews out more and more contradictions the more a person tries to solve them. I just hope at the end of the day life is just something of a test of patience, a lesson in humility and that indeed there is a God at the end of the whole thing.

Because life does not seem to be able to be solved in a personal sense let alone a political sense. There is no political solution which can be spoken of as justice in life. There is justice only in the individual sense if at all. And this individual justice is simply one's acknowledgement that life outstrips one's capacity at providing a solution.

Take the individual faced with our two major and competing political parties in the United States. Each is so full of contradictions and each contradicts the other to such an extent that one would have to be stupid to believe a decent view of reality can be provided by either of them let alone the both of them combined.

Just some of the contradictions of the Republican party: religion conflicting with business interests; religion conflicting with military interests; business conflicting with military interests. I have no heart really to go through all the lies, deceit, greed, etc. of the party.

But the Democrats are no angels or even sensible either. I state boldly for the record that so far as I can tell, people of European descent, Jews, Orientals such as the Japanese and Chinese, seem more sophisticated than any other people. But the Democrats would have all the races equal. Does this make me a racist? Yes, if I were to propose the "lesser races" should be crushed. But this is one of the internal contradictions I am grappling with and why I say there is no political solution to life: either we look with our eyes and begin seeing differences between people and begin behaving with injustice toward them, or we ignore these differences but then begin doing injustice to people better qualified....

In other words there is no justice in life or even logic. Or rather we can be politically logical and keep the stupid—even whole inferior races—from intruding into the political sphere and undermining society, or we can be good and allow justice but only at the peril of the collapse of society. Either we are logical and evil or good and irrational. It seems impossible to be logical and good.

What does this have to do with the Democrats potentially gaining in power in congress soon? I suppose just more contradictions and lies—just of a different type. Clean up the environment while simultaneously holding socialistic views and empowering those most precisely incapable of wealth creation in society?

I could go on and on about the contradictions within the Democratic party. The party of science against the Republicans but of course no science which asks if there are differences between men and women or between races? Whether one is a Republican or Democrat we have extremely selective vision in order to avoid having to suffer through the contradictions of life.

But I have certainly suffered the contradictions of both parties and do not feel there is a political solution to life. I voted once only (for Kerry to make a lady happy) and will never vote for anyone again. I simply do not believe there is an answer to life.

I suppose you could call me religious in a sense, but I have nothing to say to anyone about beliefs or how to act or anything else—no dogma. I just believe the more intelligent a man becomes, the more he solves contradictions, the more the contradictions multiply and the more he is forced to acknowledge his total ignorance and to simply hope that in his patience and suffering there is some meaning or lesson at the end of life.

I am quite simply and never have been a political animal. I find it impossible to act with justice and logic in personnal day to day decisions let alone to act with such in a larger political sense. Politics quite simply is very bad, very crude, very violent and unjust philosophy and I hold our nations philosophers in contempt for not illuminating the contradictions and either trying to solve them or removing themselves from them in the acknowledgement of defeat and humility.

Our nations philosophers no doubt though are either good Republicans or Democrats...

I quite simply give up on politics. I do not see how one party can be better than the other at anything. And that they work better together than individually seems absurd. I wish they would work better together—but that will take a national effort to work through all the contradictions within each party and between them. And all I can say is that that will be extremely difficult. But it will have to be done if people believe in a political solution to life—and of course, and to illuminate what I mean by political solution, I mean a process by which the human race is enabled to act with sustained logic and goodness—a minimum of contradiction and a maximum of drive and development within life (this something of a solution, a getting above, all religious differences, etc.). But I do not see that coming anytime soon.

I see only man the weak and fallible animal. And I pray he will either get some sense soon or simply...Well I suppose I should just pray now that at least some people arrive at the notion there is no political solution to life and that man should just wander through life with patience, acknowledging that it is inscrutable and incapable of solution and that perhaps at the end of the day there is indeed a God with all the answers to life.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

I would be aghast if US rejects Republicans altogether. Democrats are the worst bunch. They, with their moral relativism and feel-good rhetoric will probably take over the Congress. However, that will happen because:

(1) Bush has screwed up on Iraq from the very start, thanks to Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and Don Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. I think Bush would ultimately end up taking the blame, but the the "Sign of Four" (paraphrasing Conan Doyle) is the one to be on trial. It is a good thing that former sec. James Baker III is slated to come up with some panel recommendations on Iraq. However the left-leaning Democrats (thriving on the mantra of Clintonian Defeatism) would rather have it "cut and run" - something that is extremely abhorrent. The Democrats have no plan, and neo-Bushies (excluding the Prez. and Condi Rice) are deep in the wilderness of the far right. Even Bill Oreilly is admitting that Iraq is a case gone sour.

(2) The same (above four) persons have turned their eye from Pakistan and radical Islamic fundamentalism. Pakistan is the hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism. Why not pressurize Musharraf to go gangbusters after Al-Qaeda and Talibans ? Only Richard Armitage may have had the guts to tell Musharraf that he should cooperate or else be nuked back to the pre-Islamic stone age. I wish Armitage would have pushed it harder. Musharraf has successfully developed a "musical chair" for the apprehended Islamic radicals. (They have just released Prof. Hafeez Mohammed Saeed, leader of Lashkar-e-Tayeeba militant group, after some drama and charade.) Thru' one door they (militants) are put in the jailhouse - only to exit thru' the backdoor. Pakistan is the training ground for these fanatics. (Slick Willie) Bill Clinton had used action-less rhetorics, and Bush is just too overwhelmed and can't follow the rapid global changes. Its probably too much for him. Republicans like (conservative) House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Chuck Hagel, Pete Domenici, Dick Armey, John McCain and a host of others have voiced sanity on Iraq. The US public is right in their rejection of Bush's policies. Yes, Osama bin Laden maybe neutered, but the threat of Al-Qaeda lives on. What has been done ? Probably nothing...

(3) Immigration reform is necessary. Immigration of Muslims to USA must be reduced. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists in the 9/11 scenario are Muslims. Democrats are certainly going to shiver at this thought, but hey this is reality. One of the ways you can protect USA is to reduce the number of people entering USA (legally & illegally) who could do potential harm in the future. The Democrats would rather wait and consult with ACLU than act swiftly and decisively. Did you watch how Bush was cornered (by Democrats) in this latest round of terrorist interrogation bill ? How do US people know that the academically bright engineering student in a US school would not be tomorrow's home-grown terrorist or an Al-Qaeda accomplice ? How would we assure our safety in the hands of Democrats who are more prone to give the terrorists like Abu Musab Al-Zarqwai more legal rights to defend, than his victims like Nick Berg, Eugene Anderson and Ken Bigley ?

Jon, Ilwaco, WA :

That depends on what the meaning of "better" is. If better means more government money for (name your program) then the answer is "yes". If better means more focus on the largest problems the world faces (name your problem)the answer is "no".

Richard, Santa Monica CA :

A Democrat congress will have only one item on it's list - defunding Iraq.

We'll withdraw by June of 07. By Jan 08 Iran will be firmly in charge, and the mass killing will start. The only question is whether Iran will take the rest of Arabia, too.

Ultimately the question is not whether we'll lose American cities, but when and how many.

Mike, Boise U.S. :

I suspect that the only real major policy shift will be to withdraw from Iraq. I am not certain if we have reached the point where that is the best option, but it could be. Even if it is phased and the Iraqi's can take over the country funding will probably be cut ASAP and we will watch a total collapse, assuming something was actually built, similar to the fall of South Vietnam in 1975. The general attitude on the American left is that we left Vietnam and thirty years later we are trading partners so why not do the same with Iraq.

It would be a total disaster, for them not us, that can be blamed on Neo-cons and Bush giving the left their supposed moral high ground for soundbite politics.

gb, MN :

I think I can reasonably assume which party Al Qaida would prefer to be in control of congress, so I will vote Republican.

Ted, Mt Pleasant, USA :

How could they be worse?

Ted, Mt Pleasant, USA` :

Oh, and gb, why do you want to help Al Qaida?

Muggins, San Jose, USA :

While I'm dissatisfied with congress, I don't know
if a Democratic House run by Nancy Pelosi will give
us better government. If the Democrats do take
power in the House, they will continue with their
heated animosity towards this administration.
They'll probably have high profile investigations
of Bush's decision making process, calling for
documents and records to be handed over to congress
and questioning cabinet members before committees.

Funding for the war will be at risk. With the help
of the MSM, there will be a greater push for withdrawal
from Iraq. If you were to ask Al Qaeda, they would
prefer Nancy Pelosi as House leader.

http://linksandopinion.blog-city.com/

Richard, Portland, OR :

What will a world be like if Democrats take control? If you believe some of the earlier responses above, the world will live in peace and harmony. There will be jobs for all and health care to boot! The climate will fall into place, and the world will come to understand us and all nations will drop their arms and give a big group hug. Lions will nuzzle up to their good friends the lambs and bunnies will dance in the streets.

Yikes? What kind of dream world are we all living in? I'm seeing some of the same viceral speculation that comes from watching CBS and listening to Air America and thinking that you know exactly the hearts and minds of Republicans and Democrats.
Let me enlighten those of you who fall into the above category: politicians, in general, are inclined toward power and corruption. I've never seen a better case-scenario for term limits than the current roster of Senators and Representatives in my lifetime. But while we are justly angry and suspicious of the Republicans in control, we should be just as wary of Democrats, who, if you've been following the news at all (not just the front page), are just as likely to be corrupt and power hungry.
I would agree that, at the very least, Democratic control of the house in the short term would stifle the terrible spending trend the Republicans have been on (although note that revenues have gone up due to the surging economy so that the budget deficit is much lower), but what happens if a Democratic gets elected President in 2008? Democrats in charge of the House and Presidency? Good Night!

Tatterdemalian, USA :

Everyone talks about the need to trust our government, then acts as if only the Democrats can be trusted. Why?

Because they are more honest? The Clinton Administration proved how corrupt Democrats can be. Because they care more about the common people? Not enough to rescue them from Iranian kidnapping, nor enough to want to avenge the largest mass murder of US civilians in the 20th century.

The real reason people trust the Democrats is because they tell them things they want to hear, spinning grand tales about how they will lay low all tyranny and oppression through the pure power of diplomacy, with no American ever having to sacrifice his life, his job, or even his comfort in the process.

Me, I very specifically do NOT trust them, for this very same reason. Diplomacy did not work at Camp David, did not work in Iraq, and did not even end the Iranian hostage crisis without causing an even greater crisis down the road, in the form of Irangate.

Only a fool would trust someone who promised them everything at no personal cost. I vote Republican because I'm tired of being told only what I want to hear.

Jeff, San Fransisco, USA :

I see the Freepers have gotten ahold of this thread.

A common meme used by the Republicans is to label their opponents as 'soft' or 'weak' or to say that they 'have no ideas.' This is primarily based upon a projection of their personal insecurities onto a global stage; an interior need to show how tough they are transforms into an exterior vote for the candidate who sticks his chest out the farthest.

As for the question... how anyone could believe that continuing the path the US is on, is a rational and good choice, is completely beyond my imagination. It's time for a change in this country, and it is going to happen in Nov.

nick, New York, USA :

The country would definitely be better off with a Democratic congress. We would have been better off with a Democratic congress four years ago too. Of course back then, we were supposedly on the verge of winning in Iraq. Anyone who said anything different was considered a traitor. To think beyond the silly Bush rhetoric was heresy back then. Most of the mainstream media and a majority of the talking tv heads were not interested in real world analysis of the policies we were pursuing, it was much more fun to join the bullying and name calling of those that looked beyond the rhetoric and saw the coming disaster. Remember all the airtime spent bashing Democrats? They were "objectively pro-terrorist" or "the party of appeasement". How did our genius tv washington insiders come to those conclusions? Because the RNC sent out a memo. Basically, our discourse has been driven by the RNC fax machine. One wonders whether or not the question today came from the same source. The Republicans have succeeded in poisoning the debate to the point where the next chapter of this hour in history can be written ahead of time. It will go something like this. We failed because the Democrats undermined our will. They are responsible for Iraq becoming a failed state. Let's see how many times that narrative is written over the next decade. Or course in the coming decade, it's very likely that the all star pundit will become a thing of the past too. None too soon either.

CarlSenna, Saint John, Canada :

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Daniel, Posted at October 17, 2006 01:47 PM
ª daniel | Permalink But the Democrats are no angels or even sensible either. I state boldly for the record that so far as I can tell, people of European descent, Jews, Orientals such as the Japanese and Chinese, seem more sophisticated than any other people. But the Democrats would have all the races equal. Does this make me a racist? Yes, if I were to propose the "lesser races" should be crushed. But this is one of the internal contradictions I am grappling with and why I say there is no political solution to life: either we look with our eyes and begin seeing differences between people and begin behaving with injustice toward them, or we ignore these differences but then begin doing injustice to people better qualified....
In other words there is no justice in life or even logic. Or rather we can be politically logical and keep the stupid—even whole inferior races—from intruding into the political sphere and undermining society, or we can be good and allow justice but only at the peril of the collapse of society. Either we are logical and evil or good and irrational. It seems impossible to be logical and good."
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One could take offense at the above post, but what good would getting angry do? Anent, George Bush on North Korea's nukes, or Saddam Hussein's Iraq, what good has a jerk reaction to a jerk by another jerk ever done? Better to respond: Since when does a scientific question, whether there are group differences among peoples not a result of the people's choosing, provide an answer to an entirely different question, how different groups ought to choose to treat one another under the law? And what about the members of the "superior race," as Daniel puts it, who are inferior to some members of the "inferior" race? Do the inferior "superior" race members lose membership in the "superior" thereby? What about mixed inferior-superior hybrids of the two races? Which race ought they to belong? Who decides?
Extreme forms of expresing group identity and promotion (Foremost among them, Zionism, fundamentalistic extremists of the Christian political right, and Islamic or Hindu Extremists, but not exclusive of them) all seem to approach social issues using backwards logic. We see this most often when they apply questions of their relations as a group to others: So: Which came first? The conflict? Or the ethnic-political-religious groups in conflict? And, while we're on the subject of this ancient question, just what did the Canaanites or, for that matter, the Akkadian and Hitties ever do to the 12 wandering tribes of Hebrews, before the Hebrews slaughtered them? And why? Because the Hebrews found them living peacefully on the "Promised Land" to the Hebrews? And just who promised it to them? Who said so?
Nature offers little insight. Oddly enough, dominant species in the animal kingdom's pecking order seem never to subordinate another species for the purpose of economic exploitation, unless they're scavengers, such as vultures. But lions really ignore hyenas, reptiles, and gorillas in the course of their lives unless they come upon one another by surprise, or to dispute food, to protect their young, defend their territory won and kept by brute force. To find examples of slavery and discrimination in the animal kingdom we have to look much, much farther down on the scale of animal complexity to ants and termites which offer no appealing governance models on how people ought to govern themselves. It seems that the preferred party affiliation (I wouldn't know how to tell the difference between a Republican or Democratic ant, or whether there are such, since the ant colonies I've studied seem most to resemble the human communities in North Korea and those other "superior" races of Daniel's, the former Communist China, the Soviet Russian, Nazi Germany, and the Israeli Kibbutzes! Then are the ants all communists? Homeland Security, and America's KGB, the FBI, have no answers to the ant question. Neither has Senator George Allen.).
For those struggling to overcome feelings of bigotry,, such as Daniel, the professional help of choice is usually found at your local mosque, synagogue or church! And there is always professional secular help for bigotry conflicts in the Yellow Pages classified under Counseling.
If you live in Virginia, however, stay away from the Republican Senatorial campaign of George Allen.

G Crawford, Toronto, Canada :

The Democrats are more open

So, Clinton come clean?... (hah, ZING!)
Kennedy admit to shennanigans you know where?
The Chinese funding scandal
Hanging a good man (Lieberman) out to dry

I can see how honest they are

Kerry called his fellow soldiers war criminals while padding his own resume

Appeasement

That is all the Democrats offer

'We will bend any knee, hang any ally out to dry... even give France a veto on our foreign policy but please, please, please, love us'

Lila, Arlington, VA :

You think Muslims, al Qaeda, Hezbollah and the like were dancing in the streets on September 11? Imagine a Democrat victory in the mid-terms and in 2008. It will be a very sad day. Don't get your hopes up, those of you on the Left.

Chad, Santa Barbara, USA :

No real care here. We'll be replacing one corrupt, inept, media-clueless bunch with a corrupt, inept, media-assisted bunch. Only change will be how the media reports things since their people will be back in power.

David, Grand Rapids, USA :

Nick in New York thinks Bush is responsible for Iraq being a "failed state."
In addition to assuming his conclusion, Nick might want to consider the role of Saddam Hussein in Iraq's predicament.

:

What is clear is that the whole world MUST be wrong since it is impossible for Bush jr to be so.....

Steve White, Oak Park, IL :

It's interesting that with all the comments so far about the disgust with the Republicans, all the accusations and so on, no one has given me a positive reason to vote for the Democrats.

As in: what will they DO?

I don't want the same, tired, stale rhetoric. Universal health care? That' so ... 20th century. Tell me how you're going to DO things. Iraq? Do the Democrats even have a coherent position on Iraq?

On some left-progressive blogs, I've seen the argument advanced that the Democrats shouldn't tip their hands before the election as to their platform, since that would just give the e-e-evil Karl Rove a target. Sorry folks, but if you want my vote, you have to tell me what you're going to do with the power should you get it.

I know the Republican side. I don't know the Democrats, other than apparently they want lots of investigations, subpoenas and maybe an impeachment. Sorry, that won't get my vote next month.

Thomas S, HB, USA :

Nope. Pelosi? Murtha? Please. These people are partisan hacks who probably don't believe [more than] half the things they say.

As a result I have no idea what they'll do if in power. This hoping they'll not act on anything they're saying (to suck up to Moveon / codepink style dem progressive base Marxists) is hardly a vote of confidence....

:

"I see the Freepers have gotten ahold of this thread."

I see the moonbats are trying to spew propaganda and poison the well, again.

BobL-VA :

To: Lila, Arlington

What a great statement. Our enemies dancing in the streets if the Democrat's take over one or both of the houses.

And, of course, this statement is based on what? That Democrat's are less likely to prosecute a war? If that's the case I sincerely hope you go back and check your history books because the opposite is true. Ask the Nazi's or the Japanese if a Democrat was soft on them. Ask the Vietnamese if Democrat's were soft on them.

Contrary to republican rhetoric Democrat's aren't soft on national security at all. More registered Democrats have died defending this country in the last 100 years then republicans. Oh yeah, I forgot, registered Democrat's couldn't possibly serve honorably (Murta, Kerry) while I skipped the war republicans like Bush did?

The next time you make what amounts to a fear mongering statement about Democrat's at least make a half hearted attempt to back it up with factual information. Oh, that's right, you don't have any factual information to back you up.

RealBob, America :

"That Democrat's are less likely to prosecute a war"

YES. You know why? Because the hardline hawks in the Democrats left the party in the 1970s. They eitehr became the neocons, the same people you hate, or outcasts like Zell Miller or Joe Liberman.

Those who remain in the Democrat Party are either soft-hawks (such as the Clintons) or socialists (those funded by Soros.) It's called factual information. Perhaps you should take your own advice.

"more registered Democrats have died defending this country in the last 100 years then republicans."

Disgusting lie. But so typical.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Permalink wrote: "What is clear is that the whole world MUST be wrong since it is impossible for Bush jr to be so....."

Sorry, Permalink, but that's a cheap shot at Bush. If Bush gets wrong advice from the ones whom he must trust to run Govt., that's not to say Bush is wrong (as you have obliquely suggested).

Electing Democrats in 2008 WILL BE A DISASTER !!! I would reluctantly submit that let Bushies lose some (lower) House seats in 2006, but NEVER a Hillary Clinton/Nancy Pelosi/Barney Frank/Russ Feingold/Patrick Kennedy/John Kerry to whisk Uncle Sam around. Bush needs a wake-up call in 2006, but I'd go only that far.

Yes, the public is arguably angry at the failure of Bush to act wisely on Iraq and for letting Osama still dance around with his religion-motivated bloodlust. But, the economy is looking better for USA and according to NPR comments this is because of Bush's tax cut policies.

What Bush needs to do between 2006 and 2008 is to develop a very comprehensive and bi-partisan foreign policy team comprising of wiser Democrats like Sam Nunn, Lee Hamilton etc. and etc., and, also from Republicans like Newt Gingrich, John McCain, Chuck Hagel, John Warner etc. Bush should not listen to Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. These two gentlemen are past their prime, and must go. In addition by 2008, there should be a comprehensive immigration bill passed by the Bush administration that would have the teeth to stop prospective illegal immigrants. USA is a country of hard-working immigrants willing to abide by the common values, and not that of terrorists who want to convert USA (and the whole world) to a obscurantist theocracy.

Russell Gil Groves, Texas :

Of course!!! Just look what the Dems are offering us. I am definitely not taxed enough. I can't wait until the Dems take charge so I can finally start paying my fair share. It's also time we listened to the donkeys and did away with that pesky Patriot Act. Terrorists have rights too. Maybe when the Dems take charge we can quit dragging our feet on immigration reform by discussing nonsense like a fence and get about the business of granting amnesty to anybody here illegally and their extended family. And what about the judges. Enough already with these GOP judges who care only about interpreting the law. I'm ready for some good liberal judges that can return to the good old days of legislating from the bench. Next they can straighten out our foreign policy. We need to send Carter back to North Korea to straighten out Dear Leader like he did last time. I have no doubt that if John Francois Kerry could only talk to Ahmadennijad our worries with Iran would vanish like a fart in the wind.

nick, New York, USA :

To David in Grand Rapids,

Is this administration responsible of anything? The party that likes to call themselves the party of responsiblility doesn't like to take reponsibility do they? It's always someone elses fault. Read this thread. Few here are willing to defend the policies of the Republicans. They cheered these clueless so called leaders on every step of the way. All the right has left is silly memes like Al Qaeda wants the democrats to win, or the Mullahs are rooting for the Democrats. Idiots. Al Qaeda wants us all dead and the Mullahs should be sending the neocons a thank you card. They will likely end up controlling a large portion of Iraq through their Shi'ite proxies. They will also control a large part of Iraqi oil and the vital straits through which most of the worlds oil flows. They are well on their way to developing nuclear weapons and they have a real history, not an imagined one, of supporting terror. Given all that, tell me again how much better off we are now that Saddam is not in power.

Avril,Kelso,u.s.a. :

No, we can live without the Dems. We don't need liberal politics.

BobL-VA :

RealBob,

According to USA Today there are around 204 million eligible voters in the US. 63 million Democrats, 62 million not registered, 47 million republicans and 32 million Independents. You do the math.

I could also make the statement more not registered and Independents have died in our countries service then either Democrat's or republicans and I'd stand by that statement as well.

So where's the disgusting lie? Like you really believe republicans are disporportionally represented?

PS: how much do we owe you for taking Zell Miller?

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

BobL-VA writes:

"Ask the Nazi's or the Japanese if a Democrat was soft on them. Ask the Vietnamese if Democrat's were soft on them. "

:-)

FYI, Warren Christopher was rebuffed by the Chinese on Tianamen, and you got any hardline takers ...? (Nazi / Japanese issues are of a different time.) But, regarding Vietnam ? Robert McNamara (during Lyndon Johnson's regime) is on record in his memoirs that he consistently presented a false information about US troops in Vietnam.

Honesty ? Nah ....

Bill Clinton, no matter how much anger he spewed on Chris Wallace, was in reality caught off the hook about his refusal to aggressively pursue Osama bin Laden and his murderous ilk. He preferred to lob some cruise missiles randomly for weapons testing purposes. Did Billy or his Democratic herd have a plan to go after the Islamic radicals ?

Dan, Baton Rouge LA, USA :

The definition of "trust" is a chicken in a hen house. You may not like it but you know EXACTLY what it will do .. eat chickens.

ReadBob, America :

"Given all that, tell me again how much better off we are now that Saddam is not in power."

So you supported the dictatorship in Iraq? Disgusting. You are a fascist.

"You do the math."

You presented nothing to back up your claim that more "Democrats" were KIA over the last 100 years, only current population figures for the whole nation (which didn't even include the military in 2006. You presented NO FACTUAL INFORMATION to back up your shameful claim.

"how much do we owe you for taking Zell Miller?"

I'm not a Republican. You should be ashamed of your shoddy assumptions and stereotyping. And it's shameful how the Democratic Party has treated Zell Miller and Joe Liberman. Both are good men, and worth more to America than any of the socialist "nutroots" moonbats, who are spending billionaire George Soros' stolen money to finance his socialist agenda ("Socialism for the rich.") If you are Democrat, I would hope this bothers you.

nick, New York, USA :

ReadBob,

By that same logic, you support Iranian terror and the annexing of Iraqi oil by the Mullahs in Iran. What does that make you? Not only a facist but a not very smart one if you have American interests at heart.

RealBob :

"By that same logic, you support Iranian terror and the annexing of Iraqi oil by the Mullahs in Iran."

No, I support the current Iraqi governement. Just as I support the City of Los Angeles, despite it's high crime rate (i.e., I don't support the criminals).

You can twist and lie all you want (" at least the trains ran on time"), but if you supported Saddam, you are a fascist.

BobL-VA :

Deb Chatterjee, USA

OK, Tianamen has what to do with this?

Also, let's not talk about WWII becuase the Democrat's were in power and it's hard for you to reconcile how this was possible?

Vietnam was Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon. All to varying degrees. The major escalation of the conflict was under Johnson's Presidency. Whether or not NcNamara lied or mislead the American public is a different topic. My point is Democratic Presidencies don't shrink from National Security and there is a long history to back this point up.

I just love this Clinton point. Let me see if I've got this right. Bush has spent about a trillion dollars and put the full weight of the US military behind him in capturing or killing Bin Laden and hasn't been able to accomplish it. I assume these facts are not in dispute. Anyway, Clinton, who never had these resources available to him during his Presidency (it would have required Congressional approval) took the shots he could and missed. Now the republicans don't want to address the fact Bush has failed and they want to blame it on Clinton. If you haven't read Richard Clarke's book, "Against All Enemies," I would strongly recommend you do. No one was closer to what took place then he was and he gives a very different account.

"Did Billy or his Democratic herd have a plan to go after the Islamic radicals?" Again, read Clarke's book. Clinton wanted Bin Laden dead, but that's not really a full blown plan.

Now, it's my turn to ask a question. What plan did Bush have to go after the Islamic Radicals you're speaking of? He was 9 months into his presidency and I haven't read of any plans he had in this regard prior to 9/11. Even then, if you believe Clarke, it wasn't Bin Laden he wanted, it was Iraq.

Atheist, Boston, USA :

In an authoritarian society, the citizens (in the medium term) are not responsible for the actions of the government since the citizens have no say in the actions of the government. By that same token, the citizens (with the exception of children, who cannot vote) in a representative democracy are fully responsible for the actions of the government. The exception to the above observation is China; even though it is authoritarian, most Chinese citizens actually support Beijing's policies (e.g., the policy of sending North Korean refugees back to North Korea to be tortured or killed).

When we Americans go to the polls, we should vote carefully. We will be responsible for the actions of Washington in its adventures overseas. 30 years ago, Washington did facilitate the occurrence of atrocities in certain foreign countries; when these foreigners become angry and try to kill us, they would be attacking the responsible parties.

The summary reduction is that you should never vote along party lines. Examine the qualities and the reputation of each candidate. Vote for the best candidate. Your vote is vitally important, and you have a very serious responsibility.

In this coming election, all the best candidates will commit to withdrawing from Iraq — regardless of party affiliation.

BobL-VA :

RealBob,

You must have me confused with someone else. No where did I ever address whether we or the Iraqi people were better off with Saddam gone. The quote you attributed to me I never wrote.

So, please go back and find where I ever said or inferred I supported the Saddam regime. Good luck, I never said it.

You can apologize anytime you want.

Also, basic political philosophy 101. Facists are on the right side of the political spectrum while Socialists/Communists are on the left. I can't be both.

Dona Dunsmore, Cortez, Co :

I live in a two to one Republican county and no—they don't believe a Democratic congress would be a good thing. In fact, I never knew until the past six years just how evil and horrible I am because I pretty much live and let live and believe in a public policy that promotes the public good.

I do not however, want to see as has been said above the subpoenas flying and the next two years taken up with expensive investigations into this administration, bad as I believe it to be. If Democrats are going to behave like Republicans, then a pox on both their houses.

Shiloh :

"Every country has the government it deserves." -Joseph de Maistre

nick, New York, USA :

Realbob,

You keep using that word but I do not think you know what it means. According to your logic, there are no options other than support the current "stay the course" plan in Iraq. Fareed, David, is the idiotic discourse you were looking for? Another Mission Accomplished. Realbob, keep this in mind. The actions we take today have consequences long into the future. We have weakened our position and made that of our enemy stronger. Calling me a facist won't change that. The fact is, you were probably a big supporter of this war early on. Admitting the obvious would require you to re-think a lot of your assumptions. That kind of thinking is probably just too difficult to ponder so you lash out and resort to name calling instead. I understand. But remember, when you look at your reflection in the mirror tonight, you will be looking at a complete moron staring back at you....

Karen Huntsville, AL USA :

I have no doubt North Korea, Iran and Al Queda would love to have a Democratic Congress. There biggest concern is for people with guns caught on the battlefied trying to kill our soldiers having privacy rights. I am very frightened by the left-wing of the democratic party. Remember, their pedophile congressman got a road named after him and reelected 7 times. The Republican not-even-confirmed pedophile congressman got kicked out of office and humiliated. The dems say that a male congressman should never have contact with a male page, but they withhold funding for boy scouts because parents don't want gay men in the same tent with their teenage sons.
Congressman Murtha's brother is the richest defense lobbyist in the country, but they raid Curt Weldon's daughter's house.
The rich white cities in the North and West don't want to share AIDS funding with the minority heavy cities in the south with raising HIV infections. The idea of Nancy Pelosi deciding how much money goes to our soldiers, our intelligence services, and our police makes me hold my children tighter. Harry Reid deciding who is a judge makes me want to vote twice. The media picking our candidates is as UnAmerican as it goes. Shame on the media.

Shiloh :

"America will one day go fascist democratically, by popular vote." - Wm. L. Shirer quoted in the NYTimes December 1969.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

BobL, VA your anger is typically reflective of Democratic hoodwinking that is not unexpected. In fact, you have not shown anything that I wrote about Dems to be false. All I can state is that a known Devil (Republicans) is better than an unknown Angel (Democrats).

If you want to us bloggers believe that Clinton had a gameplan for combating Muslim radicals, you (and Dick Clarke) must go and see a shrink. You see Robert McNamara admitted he had lied; I am thus skeptical of Richard Clarke's claims about Clinton's willingness to pursue bin Laden over his preference to skirt-chasing Monica L.

And pray tell me, what would H. R. Clinton and Charlie Rangl do with the Muslim terrorists in Gitmo ? I would speculate that eventually these two Democratic nobles would bulldoze a legislation that would grant these murderers some form of legal status, because the Democratic argument (crafted by the admirable ACLU) would be that it is costly to keep these radicals in prison, and also giving death penalty would be a violation of the human rights of these terrorists. Also, their home countries would inflict torture; so the best (humane) option would be to grant them amnesty, and eventually confer the US citizenship.

That's the plan leftist liberal Democrats would have, and Richard Clarke hasn't told you in his memoirs.

Nice plan, huh ?

Shiloh :

"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." -John Adams

:

" If that's the case I sincerely hope you go back and check your history books because the opposite is true... Ask the Vietnamese if Democrat's were soft on them."

How about we ask John "American Soldiers Are Murderers" Kerry? Or the mass of the Democratic party that has defined itself by appropriating Vietnam the justification to never use American military might? Or the 'Iraq is unwinnable, just like Vietnam' crowd?

Rob, Salt Lake City, USA :

It would be nice if some of you folks would stay on topic and list those things that a Democrat-controlled Congress would push as their agenda, and then decide whether or not that would be better than the current situation.

Instead, all I read from you is moonbat hyper-conspiracy stuff.

For example, would the Democrats want us to pay higher taxes? Bans on trans fat, smoking, and/or foie gras? Cradle-to-grave government programs? More abortion? Gay marriage? Support of underperforming public schools? A France-like economic model? An increase in unemployment? Even more open borders?

I am not affiliated with a political party, and you folks are not inspiring me to put my confidence in your abilities to choose your leaders.

Why, exactly, would a Democrat-controlled Congress be better/worse?

Jeff, San Fransisco, USA :

It's amazing to me that those on the Right side of the fence always seem to assume that things just pay for themselves.

The level of debt in this country has gone up by almost 1/2 in the last 6 years. Think about that. The debt has increased by over 500 billion dollars a year, each year, for the last 6 years, and probably will for this year as well.

We're basically emulating the actions of people who live on credit cards, always banking that they will get another job which pays more down the line in order to cover the mounting interest. An incredibly unsound fiscal policy.

For all the moaning and groaning by those on the right about how the Dems will screw America up, it seems to me that there was a time not too long ago when it was the Republicans who were trusted to bring fiscal sanity to the country. This has been shown to be pretty untrue over the last several years as gov't spending and costs have skyrocketed under Republican leadership. Neither Bush nor the house nor the senate leadership did a damn thing to stop earmarks and pork.

Do those on the right believe that the debts we carry are simply going to go away? Vanish? That we as a nation will just repudate our public debts? Because all these bills are going to have to be paid someday, and if we don't stop spending money like a drunken sailor, that day will be much sooner and much more painful then it has to be.

When asked what she would do in power, Pelosi answered in part, 'institute 'pay as you go' rules for spending.' This used to be a REPUBLICAN idea! Are those on the right so against reigning in spending that they won't support this idea? The several times it has been proposed by the Dems over the last 6 years, it has always been shot down long before it could be voted on on the floor.

I am truly concerned that the Republican party is more about Authoritarianism and Cult of Personality then it is about Fiscal Responsibility or common sense.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Rob, Salt Lake City, USA wrote: " Why, exactly, would a Democrat-controlled Congress be better/worse? "

My take(s):

1. No vision for improving economy. It would get worse due to tax increases.

2. "Cut and Run" (in Iraq) mentality of a majority (with some sane exceptions) of Democrats - solidifying the Al Qaeda base there. (Yes, its Bush to blame. His shortsightedness was reflected by equating Iraq and Islamic terrorism. But, once the cat has spilled the milk you don't kill the cat, but clean the milkstains.)

3. Very soft on curbing Islamic terrorism in general. Would wind down Gitmo and revoke some of the National Security measures that Bush has prodded thru' Congress. That would be done at the active persuasion of the ACLU. Would go after those who would dare criticize Prophet Mohammed. Ask Ayman Hirsi Ali to return back to Denmark where she faces death threat from Muslim radicals. Make friends with Hamas, Islamic Jihad and mollycoddle with Pakistan - source of Islamic radicalism.

4. Would make open borders for USA. Legal, illegal all come in ! We have a red carpet for you. (Never mind the rights of other hard-working immigrants who pay their taxes, got good education and are abiding by the law of the land.) Give all illegals more respect and privileges than the legals.

5. Make a huge mess of medicare again. Last time we could not complete the job. This time we shall be careful and we have James Carville on our side to advise.

6. Invite our "Dear Leader" from N. Korea and for an American chop suey. Take a tour of the Rose garden; wine, dine and dance. Madeline Albright shall glow again !

That's what I can immediately think of and I'll leave it to the rest ..

Have a nice day !

Paul :

It would, perhaps, force the democratic party to quit foaming at the mouth over the president's policies and articulate an intellectually sound progressive platform.

Jeff, San Fransisco, USA :

Forgot to add:

It seems odd that so many Republicans list 'endless investigations' as a reason for denying the Dems the congress this fall. Why? Surely if there was nothing to hide, it would quickly become apparent and the Dems would look like fools for spending all that time and effort on investigations.

But, Republican reader of this message, you don't really believe that this will be the case, do you? Not down deep. No, you know down deep that the Bush Admin has been acting in some, shall we say, UnAmerican ways. And it makes you afraid.

Shiloh :

To Rob in SLC: Replacing a rubber-stamp republican party Congress with a democratic party majority would restore the balance of power inherent in the Constitutional principles of a republic based on representative democracy. When all branches of government are controlled by one party, democracy deteriorates to dicatatorship. That is a lesson of history.

AST, Orangeville, Utah, U.S. :

"Does anyone where you live think that a Democratic Congress in the U.S. would be better for the world?" Yes. The Democrats do. They'll probably find that governing is much more difficult than they remember, especially when the media begin paying more attention to them.

Bob - Worcester, Mass. :

Good grief! Out of all the comments, only David from GR and Robbie from Phili show any common sense or attention to reality.

Why are you people grousing about domestic issues like jobs, the economy, etc.; when the Dow is hovering at 12000 (in a sustainable market), home ownership is at record highs, and unemployment has been at the same (or lower levels) than during the Clinton years!

What is really your BIG domestic issue? The price of gas? What has that REALLY set you back over the course of a year? Now that gas prices are dropping, are you really changing lifestyles? Did Democrats offer to suspend the federal gas tax until gas hits $x per gallon? Not where I live.

Job security? Grow up. You don't live with your parents anymore. We live in a global economy and jobs; like everything else, go where you can increase profits and productivity. Period. Don't like your job? Find a new one. See low unemployment above.

Oh yeah, national healthcare. I'm sure most of you would be thrilled if you had to see mom or dad wait 6 months to a year for that by-pass surgery or if you need to travel 800 miles to get an MRI. That'll go over big with whiners.

I'm also not buying into the global (un)popularity contest nonsense. This is the bottom line. If there is a major natural, human rights, economic, or political disaster; the rest of the world seeks out the USA to save the day. Period. Why? Because deep down they know on our worst day, we're preferable to anyone else that shows up. By way of example, we define prisoner abuse as placing their under-shorts on their heads. Our enemies cut heads off.

And as far as I can see, everyone is angry at Republicans because they are ACTING LIKE DEMOCRATS and should be replaced. But when Democrats have THE SAME BEHAVIOR, they're described as "progressive" & "bringing home Federal funds"? Can someone tell me how replacing a GOP guy "trying" to be a Democrat actually changes anything for the better? If you're upset with your GOP congressman or senator, deal with it in the primary when you really can effect a change. A change now only means you'd be going from someone that has to deal with a conservative base that is angry with this behavoir, to someone that will deal with a liberal base that cheers it.

I live in the BLUEST state in the nation. My vote is literally meaningless. EVERY single congressional seat is "D" and safe. But I will vote for GOP candidates. Why? Because when someone in the GOP screws up, they're gone. On the other hand, if you're a Democrat, any lame excuse is fine. Take it from someone where BIG political contests are Democrat primaries - being a Democrat means never having to say "I'm responsible".

In closing, if you want to send a message that 1) you're tired of winning the war on global terrorism because your personal sacrifice at the gas pump is to difficult to bear, 2) you want to repeal tax cuts that continue to fuel the economy but unfortunately went to people that actually pay taxes, 3) you feel a sitting President in the middle of a war AUTHORIZED by a majority in Congress (twice) should face war crimes hearings (that our enemies seek) & think it won't have any effect on our military forces in battle, 4) that it's ok to retain and work for the re-election of congressman whose behavior is inexcusable instead of dumping them, and 5) that the sacrifices on 9/11 and since have been a wasted effort, vote Democrat. It's your constitutional right. Furthermore, you can take comfort in knowing that your party, regardless of the consequences, will not "be responsible" for anything that goes wrong.

Mark Jaeger :

Yeah, I'm looking forward to a Democratic Congress...because it'll be the beginning of the end for the Democratic Party itself. Shucks, I'll be even more eager to see the shocked faces of all you moonbats when:

1. We DON'T immediately withdraw from Iraq.

2. Your taxes get raised anyway even though you're "already paying your fair share."

3. Bush DOESN'T get automatically impeached.

3a. Bush cooperates fully in any and all investigations...and makes the Democrats look like drooling, clueless idiots.

4. Several embarrassing new scandals involving prominent Democrats come to light. Harry Reid, anyone?

5. A Democratic Congress is forced to reinstitute *ta dah!* T.H.E. D.R.A.F.T. Don't think so? Ask Charlie Rangel—he think's a SOO-PER idea.

6. We suffer another major terrorist attack...even though John Kerry has issued an Imperial Edict that "It shalt not happen on mine watch."

7. Little runts with big egos in North Korea and Iran decide they're going to start wars a) just because they really, REALLY want some holy dude to emerge from a well, b) because they're having a "bad hair day," and c) even though Nancy Pelosi offers to sleep with both of them at the same time "for the sake of the children."

Oh yeah, I'm waiting for a Democratic Congress—because, Donks, you've forgotten that "In politics, the worst thing you can usually do to your enemy is to...give him exactly what he wants."

Don't believe me? Guess again, bung-holios!

Cycloptichorn :

Bob says:
'Why are you people grousing about domestic issues like jobs, the economy, etc.; when the Dow is hovering at 12000 (in a sustainable market), home ownership is at record highs, and unemployment has been at the same (or lower levels) than during the Clinton years!'

Yes, it is easy to pretend everything is going well when you aren't actually paying any of your bills as a country.

If we had everything you described, and the debt hadn't gone up by half in just 6 years, you would be right; the economy would be great. As it is, it sucks.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

Dr. Amir Matin, Canada:

I must differ with you - our foreign policies are terrible. It is easy, cushily sitting in Canada, for you tell us keep the foreign policies going. Are you willing to foot the bill for our foreign plocies? Are you willing to send your brothers, sisters, sons, and daughters to war for us? Actions speak louder than words. I say "No way, not a chance!" to our current foreign policies, which are full of double standards and favoritism.

Guy Benyovits, www.ynetnews.com, Israel:

While I empathize with you in your plight, I must VERY STRONGLY disagree with you on your rationale. Israel MUST recognize Palestinians as its citizens, also, if it wants to have a moral standing and the support of the rest of the world. Unles and until Isreal does that, I am not sure that you have a right to expect peace and prosperity.

What is it with you guys? Do you think that we (the U,. S.) are at your (Israel's) beck and call. First, get a grip, and then, get a life. If you want to defend your precious little desert turf, that is your prerogative. You guys must be the ultimate Svengalis. We are one of the most hated, if not the most hated, country in world, just because of the Israeli-Palestinian issues. You guys really ought to become self-sufficient and self-reliant. We have sacrificed enough for you. Even we have to wean off our young ones!

Lastly, quit being carpetbaggers. We have carried you enough; it is time for you carry your own weight. (You should be ashamed of yourselves for being so selfish that you are willing to sacrifice other people's blood for your own benefit.)

By the way, I do admire your (Israel's) tenacity and survival instincts. That is where my admiration for you stops.

Having said the aforementioned, I am NO FAN of any Islamic fundamentalist (read: idiotic, stupid, and uneducated) philosohpy. Before you label me an Islamophile, which I certainly am not, I want to you know that even Judaism and other religions have fanatics and fundamentalists.

Fix your household, before trying to meddle in others'.

daniel:

I am speechless, now. What has come over you? Are you okay? (I am referring to your "eugenics" program!) Are you a eugenicist, now, in addition whatever you were, a few days ago?

Deb Chatterjee, USA:

The worst exist in both Republican and Democratic parties. Regardles of who controls the Congress, it will be SOS-DD, de'ja` vu all over again. We MUST change our policies - both foreign and domestic. We need to focus on domestic initiatives, rather than supporting countries like Pakistan, Israel, Egypt, and Jordan, at our expense. As regards Iraq, have you heard the expression "the better part of valor is discretion"?

Like it it, or not, 2008 is going to see a Democrat in the White House (not that it will mean much to common people like me). However, you seem to be ready to forgive the Republicans for all the misdeeds; I wonder why!

You seem to place too much credence in and be taken by Richard Clarke's tell-all memoir. He is just an opportunist, who tried to spit and polish his own "warrior" image. However, I deem you sufficiently cognizant of the fact that during Bill Clinton's presidency, the Congress was truly Republican. (Remember the "Contract with America," and the man who wrote it and his misdeeds.) All politicians are alike. So do not try to tell us which is better. Bill Clinton never tried to subvert Congressional authority. Before you speak for, or against, someone, get the real facts.

You are blaming ACLU for the terrorism?! How about our short-sighted policies, based strictly on expediency? Listen up, they are not always 100% correct. However, precisely due to the likes of ACLU, our civil liberties (or whatever very little is left of it) still remain.

George, Plano, TX :

I'm sure one could find someone in the generally conservative city of Plano, Texas that believes that a Democrat Congress would be better for the world, but I haven't heard one person clearly state why. I don't see anything resembling a "vote for us and we'll do this" plan in the event they regained control. The main justification for a Democrat majority seems to block President Bush, but he's already done just about all he's going to do in his presidency.

In 1994 House Republicans had a coherent political philosophy and list of legislative changes they promised to bring up for a vote. Most of the Contract with America failed to become law, but we did get welfare reform. Republicans also killed the damn 55mph speed limit and lowered the tax on long-term capital gains.

Anil T, India :

It's a nice fantasy to believe that a Democratic American Congress will usher in an era of world peace.
However, the current twin problems of Islamic fundamentalism and crazy nations wanting nukes were there through all the previous changes of Congress over the past 20-30 years.
So, the craziness of all these folks is fairly independent of the party in the American Congress.
A better way to solve these issues is for countries to look at them as their own or their neighborhood problems and take the lead in solving them.
So, Arab nations need to look at Iran as a possible Shia bomb v/s a Sunni bomb (Pakistan) issue rather than America v/s Islam.
The nations of the Far East need to understand Uncle Kim's craziness if he can blow nukes because his bank account in Macau was frozen.
Countries need to stop looking at the US either as the cause or solution for their problems. It's help should be that of an active partner not an agenda setter.
To illustrate take the example of America and Islam
America has done much to help Islam whether it be Democrat or Republican.
Whether it's catching the biggest killer (Milosevic), giving the largest relief ( the K-quake, tsunami), preventing a Shia bomb(Iran), liberating Shias in Iraq(which Iran could not do for 8 years) or allowing people basic decencies in Afghanistan, much has been done in the last 5 years by a country that has lost close to 10000 people now( Sept 11+ Iraq + other areas). However of course as we all know America is anti Islamic (sic)
Simply speaking, nations of the world its time to wipe your own ass.

Dinkar & Vimala Koppikar, Tallahassee, Florida :

A Democratic Congress would be better than Republican one.But to make difference in the life of this country and the world, Democrats should have courage to bring about paradigm shift in the thinking of the people and in the political agenda. Republicans have so polluted the politics. We boast to be a global power, but behave like irredentist imperial power. We talk of democracy but try to impose subservient regimes on other countries. Today Bush administration and Republican Congress have become subservient to multi-national corporations, particularly oil giants. The list can go on and on. Democratic Congress needs to take a hard look at all this.In our opinion Carter was the best President after second world war. We need to recapture the spirit of Carter era.

BobL-VA :

Deb Chatterjee,

Thank you for your thoughtful response. Also, thank you for answering my simple question. It's obvious you are a person of great intellect who thinks the issues through regardless of rhetoric.

Based on your compelling arguments I'm going to change my political affiliation from Independent to Republican. Also, I have signed up for an anger management class.

If the old saying ignorance is bliss is true maybe one day I can be as happy as you.

Srikanth,

I understand what you are saying about SOS. However, as I previously posted I'll always err with on the side who offers me more choice. The one sided minority position of the current administration has been bad in just about every way I can see. Also, I'd rather have gridlock in Congress then Brushless getting his own way time and again.

What people like Dee Chatterjee don't get is most of us don't hate republicans. We hate Bush. There was a republican party long before Bish and there will be a republican party long after he's a sad footnote in history. Both Democrats and republicans have the ability to govern well and they both have the ability to govern poorly. It's not the party, it's the individuals.

Hence, I don't see the downside in the Democrat's controlling one or both house of Congress for the next 2 years.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

BobL, VA:

Agreed, and hopefully, the prospective new Congress AND the Administration will have learned from history and not repeat it. You are correct that we Independents and Not-Affiliateds are bear the brunt of everyone's whip! I voted for the candidates, not for the party. Yes, I have voted Republican AND Democrat in the past. Not all of my candidates won, though!

hmmmmmmmmmmm... :

looks like some propagandists finally got up some nerve to chant the same old thing.........

liberahs, negrahs and homosexuahs, that's wha you should vote for

hate.

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gawd bless us hate luving liars.

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if you look closely, the party that doesn't want to be examined :

should lose.

Which ever party is against oversight, should go to jail. Whichever party foisted an

occupation on a soveriegn nation, making up a story about being attacked by terrorists, when it was an inside job,

should lose their rights, their properties and their citizenship, and be placed in storage in a place where those things don't matter, a place made for them........Guantonamo.

I think appointees should be held responsible for their lack of oversight, if they have assisted an executive branch in hiding the fact that there is no oversight on their actions, well, I think the whold crew should go down...........

And I think that people that get paid to post lies, that they know are lies should have the right to be considered shall we say _treasonous_ , working against the government for the interests of a group but not the country?

_WHO_ might qualify for that? Starr, Chertoff, Goss, Negroponte, Rove, Cheney, Bush and his father and brother?

and the Ken Lay decision has been reversed............he's ?dead? but somehow things are happening so that there is no recovery of assets.........and his death before a decision prevents the estate from being attached..........

Arrest the President and Complicit Congress members regardless of party...........

Put them in stocks and pillories on the mall.

the dow is at an all time :

high and the fastest growing group moving into poverty is the elderly.

3 out of 4 Blue collar job workers are now working in the service sector and Medical Doctors jobs are being outsourced.........

old people, disabled are paying for the occupation and people that make over $200,000 are getting tax breaks.....

big tabacco gets fined, bush makes sure that they don't have to pay it........what are friends for?

have mores, meet the people that will be competing with the _illegals_ if you have your way..........

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Dr. Bhaskar Dasgupta, London, UK :

As the US opinion polls show, the Democrats will take control over both the Senate and House of Representatives in the USA, God willing and a fair wind permitting. When my editor asked for opinion pieces on "Does anyone where you live think that a Democratic Congress in the U.S. would be better for the world?" I was intrigued. One could write about this topic from so many different perspectives, such as the economic perspective, the political perspective, the military perspective, the terrorism, cultural, educational and the etc. etc. etc. perspectives. But given that I am sitting here far away across the pond in the UK, I thought I will give my impression of what the Brits will think about a Democratic Congress. Overall, the general reaction would be, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

Continued at: http://desicritics.org/2006/10/18/000254.php (Desicritics.org)

m. watkins :

Yes!!! I work for the washington compost and every one here will cum in their panties if it happens.

Shaquille Green :

The Democrats are long on anger.

Short on ideas.

I'd certainly like to hear exactly how they'd plan on protecting this country instead of hearing how much they despise Republicans.

Atheist, Boston, USA :

Some Americans act like macacas. They vote for whoever gives them the biggest bag of peanuts, regardless of the long-term consequences.

The single, most important issue in this election is Iraq. We must bring our soldiers home now. Putting them in a no-win situation is wrong.

We should not try to prevent the Shiites and the Sunnis from killing each other. Their fight is not our fight. We are not responsible for the failure of their society.

The second, most important issue in this election is our relationship with faltering, proto-Western nations like Russia and Thailand. We must pressure, with carrots and sticks, such nations to complete the process of Westernization. Their successful transformation into prosperous, liberal democracies is in our first best interest.

We Westerners are stronger with them than we are without them. We need them in our struggle against non-Western societies like India, Iran, and North Korea.

Choose wisely in this election. Never, ever, vote along party lines. Act like a thinking, intelligent person. In other words, do not act like an Indian (from the Indian sub-continent).

Shiloh :

Fearmongers who predict dire consequences from a democratic majority are less likely to mention a Democratic Party agenda which includes

1. Accelerated Alternative Energy Programs
2. Negotiating lower drug costs (now prohibited) for Medicare
3. Revival of the Student Loan Program
4. Increasing and indexing the minimum wage
5. Support for stem cell research
6. Revival of local police funding to cut rising crime rates
7. Jobs and Economic Development Incentives
8. Restoration of Community Development Block Grant funding
9. A BALANCED BUDGET.

Even with a democratic majority, it's likely Bush will learn to use his pen to veto many of these initiatives, instead of using it to make signing statements that circumvent the law.

Orson, Boulder, CO, USA :

YOUR READERS HERE ARE CRAZY AND IGNORANT!

(I don't read here at all: I'm a news junkie who disdains the lies promulgated as truth - see PlameGate, for example - by the MSM and my three local papers. (I read online instead, mostly elsewhere.)

guy drieux Trenton NJ :

Many of us are being ruled by Dems now at the state and local level (I live in NJ where Dems set new lows for incompetence, corruption and ignorance each week). Why would I welcome their ilk in Congress? The Dems know nothing and stand for nothing other than getting elected. I used to think the Republicans had sensible ideas but the Rep Congress has nearly approached NJ Dem levels of sleaze and patronage. All hope is lost.

Anyway you can sum up the lessons the Dems still haven't learned:

Over the long term, you can't
1) Legislate wealth (why not legislate a "living wage"- sign me up)
2) Seize wealth (why not raise taxes back up to 60pct Fed and state like under Clinton)
3) Get something for nothing ("affordable healthcare"- hahahah)

Unfortunately you take these things away from the Dems and all you have left is "competence". Ask anyone in a State or City run by Dems for 20 yrs what they think about Dem "competence". Hahahah. What they really have is disdain for most ordinary Americans.

Lee Mason, Wash. DC, USA :

My gracious! Some of these responses make me ask "Have I been living in another country for the last six years?" Clearly there are many of us that beleive that the Democrats will steer this country in a more responsible and respectful way, but greater than that lies the issue of HOPE. Hope that we can navigate and negotiate an end to the crisis we created in Iraq, finish the work in Afganistan, make Israel and the Palestinians talk evenhandedly, TALK to North Korea and oh, let me not forget PROTECT US at home. Then reassert ourselves as truly the worlds greatest superpower and not just because we have more nukes than anyone else. The Republicans have given us a good lesson on family values, fiscal responsibliity and how to buy and sell political influence, what they have not done is shown or articulated how we will resolve or approach resolution of the issues that threaten the world today. Yes there are those that beleive the Democrats will be better for the world.

Jeff, Austin TX :

Anything that hinders or prevents the current Republican adminstration from continuing to bleed us dry and sully our country's reputation would be better for this country than the status quo. I agree that the Republicans are serious about serious stuff. It's unfortunate that their "serious stuff" is nothing more than enriching their corporate friends and consolidating their power.

MikeB :

Bob - Worcester, Mass "...Why are you people grousing about domestic issues like jobs, the economy, etc.; when the Dow is hovering at 12000..."
Because, Bob, the DOW and what investors do is antithetical to the good of ordinary American's and to the good of the United States as a whole. The *ONLY* people making money off this stock market are investors, the CEO's and corporate managers, the already wealthy. Ordinary people can read and we look at our 401K statements and they go down! We talk to our children, our next door neighbor, and friends, people at chruch, and we see jobs being outsourced at an alarming rate, American's loosing their jobs in cost cutting moves to feed your 12000 point stock market. Housing prices are at an all time high, also, but ordinary first time home buyers cannot afford them, only wealthy investors. If the Democrats take control, and I assure you we will, those investors and other fat cats are going to see their taxes raised to levels they cannot even imagine right now, simply to make up for some of the outright greed and fraud of the Bush Years. I expect that is going to put a rather large damper on the DOW and in housing prices. I expect the skids to be put on outsourcing and some severe curtailment of globalization, too. Based on your posts I take it you are one of those fat cats riding the Bush gravy train. The ride ends in January.

Rich, Long Island, NY, USA :

MikeB ... if your vision becomes reality, all the problems you list will worsen, as wealth shifts from job-creating investments to funding government involvement in areas where it is structually incapable of acting effeciently and effectively, and will lack the corrective feedback of the free market.

The flaw in your logic is that you (and many who are giving you feedback) do not — or are not willing — to acknowledge that YOU have a responsibility to adapt to all these changes.

If someone else can do something better/faster/at lower cost, are you willing to do what it takes to improve on that ... or find another endeavor where you can be the best provider ...

... or are you going to use the hand of government to preserve your status quo, forcing the rest of us to subsidize your inefficient/inadequate output?

What right do you have to expect that?

The BIGGEST lie told by a politician has nothing to do with George W. Bush ... it is the lie told primarily by the Democratic Party:

"All you have to do is get a job ... we'll make sure the rest of your future is taken care of."

Even as they tell others ...

"VOTE FOR US: we'll guarantee your right to ...
... get stoned ...
... get your jollies ...
... get free Band-Aids(TM) ...
... get a check ...
... and just get by ...
... by giving us your right to get ahead ..."

YOU and your acquaintences need to "think like businessmen", instead of palming your responsibility off on an inefficient "rent-a-govenrment".

As for greed and fraud ... if corporate America is so all-powerful, then why do we repeatedly see guys like Sam Walton and Michael Dell come from nowhere and steal the customers of established corporations.

It is the consumer ... you and me ... who have the power.

nick, New York, USA :

Rich in L.I. writes:

"If someone else can do something better/faster/at lower cost, are you willing to do what it takes to improve on that ... or find another endeavor where you can be the best provider ...

... or are you going to use the hand of government to preserve your status quo, forcing the rest of us to subsidize your inefficient/inadequate output?"

The fact is, red states take more from the federal government than do blue states. Look at the productivity numbers and you will find the least productive, most dependent states are in the deep south. Given these facts, is it any wonder we don't see congressmen or senators from states like Mississippi and Alabama or Iowa and Nebraska embracing this "survival of the fittest" mentality. How would farmers like to compete with the third world? What about the western states? How popular do you think you would be if you ran for the senate in Oregon and proposed eliminating subsidies for fishing and logging? Would you be elected by telling these voters that they are "forcing the rest of us to subsidize your inefficient/inadequate output?"

BobL-VA :

To Rich in LI,

I am a businessman. I have been one for over 30 years.

While there has always existed the push and pull of market forces globally this country has a long tradition of tarriffs and subsidies to foster business in this country. Both republican and democratic congresses/administrations have seen fit to continue these practices as national policy.

Not only do we engage in business proctectionism every other industrialized country does likewise and some to greater degrees then us. Without protections foreign powers could systematically destroy American industries one at a time. Steel would be a great example. The auto industry another. Subsidies for agriculture help stabilize the markets and keep American farms in business during down cycles. Subsidies and tax credits for research and development of alternative energy sources is money well spent by the American taxpayer in a goal to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources. The list goes on and on and while there are abuses to the system I'd rather fix those abuses then go to a straight unfiltered market economy that would end in chaos.

Where the right to get stoned and get your jollies off comes from I'll never know. It must be a new republican platform or something because it sure isn't a democratic party principle.

MikeB :

Thank you BobL-VA. One of the biggest kies being passed around as "common wisdom" these days is that globalization is inevitable. It is only inevitable if we want to permit investors, bankers, and associated parasites to continue to rob this country blind. Hiring Indian programmers to do defense contracts is flat out insane and allowing companies to lay off Amercians and bring in foreign "guest workers" to replace them (at an average taxpayer ovehead of $30,000 each annually by the way), is so absurd it defies comprehension. Given just the social costs in broken marriages and wrecked families, ruined lives, associated health costs (from being forced to work 12 and 14 hour days, 6 days a week to compete for those scarse high tech jobs against what amounts to foreign slave labor) I think it is a criminal enterprise and I would submit we must treat it as such. I am awaiting the day when the RICO statutes are used to sue the corporations and their investors that do this into bankruptcy.

BobL-VA :

MikeB,

You're welcome.

I understand the profit motive. I live this motive every day. However, I'll never get to the point where profit at the price of human suffering is acceptable to me. Especially if what we're talking about here is simply a case of more profit. This philosophy will probably keep me working longer then I hoped to, but I'd rather work a few more years and be able to sleep at night.

We have a legal and illegal immigration system in this country that is in shambles. Top our immigrant problem off with our outsourcing and this has a huge personal negative effect on the working class of this country.

This is really an issue on how we (Americans) want to treat ourselves. Do we want national health care? Do we want a living wage? Do we want a solvent retirement system? If we answer yes to these questions then we need to promote and protect American businesses operating in this country and penalize American companies that go overseas to exploit cheap labor and not pay any benefits.

3 years ago it cost me $212 per month to provide an employee with health insurance under our group policy. Today it is $478 per month. That's over a hundred percent jump in just 3 years. In my business I'm not competing with outsourcing or foreign immigration, but if I was I would already be starting with a huge disadvantage just over health care.

So, when I hear people talk about outsourcing and letting illegal immigrants work in the Us along with importing workers legally under false pretenses I cringe. I cringe because I know it's completely profit motivated with no thought at all to the negative social or economic implications to the American worker.

Somebody in some labor union is going to love me for what I'm about to say, but I'm saying it anyway. BUY AMERICAN. We need to promote our neighbors across the street first before we promote our neighbors overseas.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C, USA :

Atheist, Boston, USA:

I am really happy to see that you have added India to the Axis of Evil countries. My hat is off to you for a wonderful expounding of facts, as you know it, which is .............well, A BIG NOTHING!

MikeB:

Globalization is happening and will continue to happen, whether, or not, you and I like it. The best thing that we can do is to prepare ourselves (read: our kids) to compete effectively with those people, instead of moaning and groaning about the past.

I would like to know which defense contractors use foreign workers on classified projects. Could you please tell me? If, in fact, that were true, then I would agree with you that it would be tantamount to treason.

MikeB :

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C, USA - Then, this country is over. The Middle Class will cease to exist and we will slide into a genuine oligarchy and third wrold status until some newcomer simply conquers us and puts out of our misery. I've worked my whole life in high tech and am seeing the effects of globalization. Companies bring in *YOUNG* low cost (about 1/4 of American wage) workers. They work 10 and 14 hour days, 6 days a week. The American workers are laid off and replaced by these cheap workers. Their families and dreams are shattered. Many times the upheaval ends in divorce and broken families. Older workers often, desparately try to complete and work themselves into a health crisis before they are laid off. Flat tax schemes like those being proposed by the neoconservatives in aide of their wealthy masters will mean the end of marriage when a single man making $100,000 a year and a family of four pay the same amount. It all sounds like some scratchy violin sob story, but unfortunately is true. With million of illegals on the virge of becoming legalized and competing for factory jobs you are going to witness a see-saw battle between natives and immigrants that will end in disaster for everyone but the wealthy. Those will manipulate the political process like they are doing right now, by spending any opposition into silence, by purchasing and controlling propaganda outlets (look to "Talk Radio" and an increasing number of newspapers and television stations). So, this is what it is like to witness the end of a dream...

MikeB :

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C, USA - "...which defense contractor use non-American workers..." **ALL** of them. Tektronix, Boeing, Lockheed, you name 'em. Here is a link to one of the larger proponents of H1B visa's and heir bragging that H1B workers can work on DOD contracts: http://www.wallis-associates.com/visas-h1b.htm.

Here is a link to Lou Dobbs on these workers doing top secret military contract work. This, by the way, is something I can *personally* testify to. I worked along side them. I went to the FBI about it. No one did anything.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/23/ldt.01.html

Paul, Dallas, USA :

Democratic controlled Congress?

No, I don't think so. They need to debate the issues first before winning elections. So far there is no realistic alternative to the GWOT, social programs, etc. Nothing constructive.

When they are able to make an argument, I'll listen. I've learned from years of parenting not to reward complaining for the sake of complaining.

BobL-VA :

Srikanth,

I agree with you globalization has been happening and will continue to progress. That is a direct result of better communications and better transporation.

However, how we interact with globalization is to a large part up to us. Mike is justifiably angry because of his situation. He's experienced the down side of globalization that currently has few restraints.

There's 10-12 million (conservative estimate) illegal aliens from latin America in this country creating a huge black market economy and sucking off legitimate taxpayer money when it comes to health care and education. One side says this cheap labor is good. (Gee, I wonder who that might be?) The other side says it is bad. Bad because we shouldn't promote or reward illegal activities. Bad, because this black market is depressing the wages of law abiding citizens who deserve to be shielded from this type of employment invasion.

We need to kick out the illegal immigrants. It should be a national priority. At the same time we should make it a serious crime for businesses to employ illegals. Serious enough that no employer in their right mind would risk the punishment. This isn't just an economic issue it's also a national security issue. Millions of undocumented people running around our country is nuts if we're really having a war on terrorism.

Currently, VISA's are issued (if sponsored by an employer) for certain jobs/professions where an employer will state they have tried to find a US citizen to fill the position and have been unable to do so. This system has led to abuses throughout this country. Employer A can get a trained mechanical engineer from another country for $30,000 per year vs. $60,000-$80,000 here so they fill out the form. Engineer is now in the country working legally even though US employer fudged the paperwork. End result is pretty much the same as with the illegals. Depressed wages for US citizens. THERE NEEDS TO BE A HIGHER STANDARD SET FOR WORK VISAS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Outsourcing is the toughest problem. It's just so much cheaper to manufacture and provide communication services overseas then it is here today. This will continue, but we as a society should tax US companies who outsource for services and goods brought back into the US. Since this type of outsourcing is being done strictly for profit margins we need to adjust our tax code to make it less attractive to do it and to provide funds to retrain workers who have lost their jobs because of this.

We have the obligation to our citizens not to try and stop globalization, but to put policies in place that shape how it will effect all of us. Right now a legal US work is competing against illegals, quasi-legals and extremely cheap Asian labor. This isn't really a level playing field and we need to address it.

M.K. Berry, Bethesda :

“My part of the world” – I live and work inside the Beltway – apart from the Republicans who are elected from elsewhere and have to be here (at least Tuesday – Thursday) it’s hard to find a Republican in this neck of the woods. What one finds is either knee-jerk Democrats, or political junkies who will go into incredible depths dissecting the Senatorial race in Missouri and then reflexively predict a Democratic victory. So the simple answer to the question is: Democratic victory would be good for the world in my part of the world.

Now, I’m not a Democrat, or a Republican – I’m an Independent only because there was no option for me to register as ‘Amused.’ From that particular point of view, the result that I am most fearful of (and not amused by) is the prediction of Mark Shields on “The News Hour” on Friday, October 13: a 30 seat gain in the House for the Democrats. Do not mistake me – Democratic control of at least one of the two legislative bodies is ‘A Good Thing’ if for no other reason than the last three years have shown that the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate has been unable to either influence the Bush Administration to change course, or to call it to account. Democratic control of either body has the potential to do one or the other. However, a 15 seat majority in the House is an almost too-tempting opportunity for the Democrats to overreach, particularly since a Democratic victory will only come at the cost of the demise of the moderates in both parties, which completes the partisan divide.
To compound the issue, it is likely that the Bush Administration will push back against any questioning of its policies or a challenge to its authority – as it has to date, to the point that the Republican leadership in the House and the Senate are seen as ‘rubber stamps.’ How much less cooperative they would be to any questioning by a Democratic-controlled House can be left to the imagination. It may drive a Democratic House, despite its best intentions (and against what is best for the nation and its role in the world) toward the “I” word – a greater catastrophe both for the nation and the world cannot be imagined.

This result would be decidedly not good for the world – all the efforts of both Congress and the administration would be focused inward – and everything that happens elsewhere would only be seen refracted through the lens of domestic political struggle. That struggle only sharpens when the ’08 Presidential Campaign kicks off on November 8. If there’s no oxygen left in the Congress for a moderate voice to speak, what will the debate look/sound like on the campaign trail when candidates have to speak to the activists (on both sides) who vote in primaries?

What will be good for the world is not a Democratic victory in three weeks, but how the ’08 Campaign is conducted. This cannot be a contest of pols; it must become a contest of statesmen (and women) – looking beyond the immediate gain of a party and reaching toward what is best for the nation – and the world. The stakes, as Bush has shown us, are that high…

MikeB :

Allow me to relate another first hand experience with regards to globalization. I paid my way through college tying trout and salmon flies. I also build bamboo fly rods. These are nice rods, mostly reproductions of Leonardís, where I worked in the late 1960ís and early 1970ís, and Payneís. When I was replaced by an Indian guest worker in 2001, I realized what the future was, so I set up a shop to make those lovely classic bamboo fly rods and tie flies. With a lot of hard work, I figured I could make a bare living doing it. Now, it takes about 40 hours of labor to build one of those rods. All of the work is by hand, taking a culm of bamboo, tempering it with a flame, splitting it, filing down the nodes, rough beveling it to 60 degree triangles, removing the pith side of the strips to make a particular taper. Then, gluing it together and sanding the glue off, polishing the blank, ferruling it, wrapping it, making a grip from cork rings, making a reel seat, etc. The raw materials for a rod cost me between $200 and $250. I was going to sell these for $850 and make a modest living.

You know what happened. An investor bought a few rods from me. He measured them and stole the tapers. He set up a factory in China and made an exact copy of my rods which sells for $400. Worse yet, I found that *I* had to pay a 10% excise tax on the retail value of my rods whereas the importer did not. So, assuming I did drop my price down to $400 retail, it would cost me between $240 and $290 just to make the rod. The same applies to flies today. It costs me around $.50 in materials to tie an average trout fly and I can tie about one dozen an hour. Investors have set up sweat shops in Asia that tie flies for around $2 a dozen wholesale.

We simply cannot compete. We either copy what Europe is doing and enact some pretty stringent protectionist legislation across the board or every single industry we have will end up outsourced. Virtually every clerical job, from x-ray technologist to every branch of the sciences is open to outsourcing, even legal work is now being outsourced. I read just yesterday where some fast food chains are using cameraís and a link to Indian and Vietnamese call center to take drive through orders because it is even cheaper to do that than to pay minimum wage. Your answer of ìeducationî is hollow. Itís a fantasy to think that any job you train for cannot be outsourced.

BobL-VA :

M.K.Berry

"I'm an Independent only because there was no option for me to register as, "Amused."

My hat is off to you. Funniest line in the tread. I'm still laughing!

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

MikeB & BobL,

Regardless of how much you whine and cry, offshoring of American white collar jobs is BOUND to happen.

Suppose by fluke Democrats (pussycats) come to Capitol Hill and start putting safety nets around you and your likes. That being said and agreed, the American companies would simply take their manafacturing and R&D work to other countries where the profits would make the stockholders of the company happy. Be honest. Wouldn't you have done the same in similar situations ?

I must also submit that you may not necessarily understand (even though I assume you were born in UA) US economy. Its only the profit motive (ruthless capitalism) that drives USA. USA has projected itself, historically, as the technologically superior country compared to all others, and that is true. This demonstration of their technical superiority has driven the dollar up and up and is the best currency in the world. Add to that the personal freedoms of living here. That's what makes the USA a place to live. If either of these become non-existent, because of protectionism policies, then do you know what would happen to you ? Your 1 dollar = 1 Bangladeshi Taka. You would be riding a hand-pulled rickshaw to work, and not driving your air-conditioned four-wheeler or the gas-guzzler. Got that ?

You and may others have lost jobs/business. That's sad. Democrats in power won't change a bit. Clinton and Gore had opened up the pathways to outsourcing. Now you are blaming Bush. What a bunch of losers !

Change your loyalties and vote Republican in 2006 and 2008. You will be far better off !

BobL-VA :

MikeB,

I'm already on record as having said to Deb Chatterjee, "If ignorance is bliss I hope one day to be as happy as you."

I don't think she understood what I was saying.

So, I guess I should be blunter.

OK, Deb I'll change my loyalties and vote republican in 2006 and 2008 the minute I recover from the labotomy I'd need to have in order to vote republican at this time. No rational thinking person who cares about people could possibly vote to keep Bushhog & Co. empowered.

Have you seen the Bosh's score card lately:

-Iraq F
-Afghanistan F
-Bin Laden F-
-Immigration F
-Social Security F
-North Korea F
-Foley F
-Appointments F
-Katrina F
-Delay F

GPA -0-

So, you run right out an cast your vote for this poor excuse of an administration and feel real good about your choice because that's your right. My right is to think people like you don't belong on my Christmas Card list.

Salamon, Canada :

I have read all the entries. I am saddened that here is so much groundless propaganda [especially from the Republican side]. As an outside observer of USA economic and political scene, I can see some extremely pressing issues, which were hardly touched. It seems to me that the moneyed section of posters were all gung-ho for the Republicans. The greed of this group flubbergasted me. A country going into debt at a rate of almost one trillion dollars per year, has numerous spokesmen advocating leaving the mess for the next generation - while they enjoy low taxes. Iraq is lost, whether Republicans like it or not, Mr. Baker should have come out with the review before the election to eliminate the "stay the course" vs "cut and run" dichotomy. It it clear that his review will not be "STAY THE COURSE". Sending armaments and money to Israel is in the long run contrary to USA's interest [international politics, oil, national debt, and security] are all effected by this issue. Except for one blogger no-one has commented on this. Neither was the global warming issue discussed from either party. Another one of Mr. Bush's "stay the course" issue yet again works against the USA's long term interst [or rather against the interest of their children...] No mention. The Problem of growing income inequality [the rich like it, especially the with low taxes] will undermine the long term stability of the USA socio-economic well-being - NO DISCUSSION. I am well aware of the problem of immigration. However, none of the above comments made any reference to the USA fertility rate exlcuding the Spanish Speaking legal/illigal immigrants. Without this contraversial group the USA's fertility rate is below replacement value [I believe it is around 1.79 vs the needed 2.1] leading to EXTREMELY serious problems of worker/retiree ratio - presently suffered by most of Europe, and Japan. If you want this head-ache, then by all means pick on immigrants, the law of unintended consequences will slap you [or your children] in the face in 30 years or less.
I will not offer any opinion as to which party should lead in Congress or the Senate. That is the perogative of USA CITIZENS. However, I strongly suggest that all of these affected citizens think very seriously aboout the long term benefit of the nation, rather than base their choice on knee-jerk reactions a la low taxation vs debt for your children, growing population vs shrinking population, global warming vs. "stay the course", greater income equality than in 1929 [and growing] vs free medical treatment for all citizens, and finally Balanced Budget [and international trade] vs unmanagable economic load on the newly born and not yet born.

Thank you for your interst in my views.

Anil T, India :

Guys , keeping cool is the first step to a sensible solution.
As an American , you can take two perspectives on outsourcing
1-it's a bad thing, it takes away your job or reduces your pay, the work is low quality and it's responsible for several other problems.
2-its creating high quality jobs in India , China , Eastern Europe. These guys have money to spend and are quite young. So you crossed 300 million people in the US, well there is 10 times that number of potential customers waiting here.(Google for China, Luxary goods if you don't believe me)
I work in Mumbai , India. I have seen a sharp rise in the number of Americans coming here to explore opportunities. Comments please :-)

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

MikeB:

As I have mentioned earlier, I, too, have been laid off in the past. I was deeply upset and hurt in the beginning. Since then, however, I have moved past it. Now, I am focusing on how to beat my competition at their own game, and I have been quite successful at it.

The link that you provided me in the DoD contracts led me to Lou Dobbs' show's transcript on the "Liberty 7," who were charged "down" as recently as yesterday to an inane count. By the way, Lou Dobbs is just a big, round goofball who tries to play both ends against the middle. If you think that he is on your side, then I am afraid that you have sadly mistaken. I am really shocked to hear that you went to the FBI and nothing was done about your complaint. I have personally known cases, where DoD badly needed the technology the "immigrants" possessed, and hence, they were granted clearance to do the work. As a matter of fact, a classic example is Werner Von Braun.

On another note, globally - eventually - all wages will reach an equilibrium, and then, only the "technologically" best will beat out out the rest of the world. Remember the maquilodras and the "giant sucking sound" south of the border. Now, China has overtaken Mexico as the manufacturing capital. Why? The Labor in China is cheaper than in Mexico. It will come full circle.

To understand and prevent the loss of our jobs, we have to examine the underlying reasons for this mass job outsourcing. It is mostly due to our societal demands place o the government. As BobL, VA mentioned, the healthcare cost has gone thorugh the roof. Shortsighted government policies are not helping the situation, either.

As Anil T, Bombay, India, has stated, I have personally seen my colleagues (Americans) leaving the U. S. for greener pastures in India and China. Perhaps, we should do that, too.

BobL, VA:

I was under that the impression that you were a 53-year-old banker, not a small-business owner?! I am all for curbing illegal immigration. Count me in for the support of ban on illegal immigration. As regards Deb Chatterjee, I do not know if that person is a he, or a she, although I suspect it is a he. Forgive his ignorance. He is just ranting and raving for Republican majority like a wild maniac with tunnel vision.

dearest outsourcing enthusiasts.......... :

the fastest way to make everyone third world is to make Indian, Pakistani, Indonesian, Central American, Mexican, Chinese living standards _the_ standard......

The United States has taken some really thoughtless back into feudalism.......

Everything in the olde days was for a class of people that weren't really of a country they were of a class.

They loved slavery, they loved imperialism, they loved taking battles to other countries to control markets and resources........

Outsourcing helps only one set of people, owners.

When Microsoft declined to hire their workers after five years and fired a slew of them a number of years back it sent a signal across corporate America, that loyalty wasn't valued....

Outsourcing has continued that trend. Dollars have been sent outside of the country and to some extent other countries have gained.

However, there is a missing middle class.

That middle class used to be the backbone of America _after_ WWII.

It meant an intelligent, up to date population, whose day was over at 5:00 PM. 40 hour weeks, with benefits, up on the news, making choices based upon studied opinions, not sound bites.

Stop unregulated outsourcing, repair the damage of downsizing and unregulated Internationalization.

Bring customer support back in_country. Set the infrastructure back in order. Bring the economy back to a _real_ level of prosperity. Not just a corporate level of prosperity.

And arrest the Executive Branch and Complicit Congress for selling your country for

exclusive rights to loot Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Tom wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To Salamon, Canada

If I didn't know any better, I would guess with a 99% degree of confidence you lean a lttle to the left politically.

YOU didn't mention:

1. No attacks on US soil since 9-11. This resulted in part from the formation of the Homeland Security department, the passing of the Patriot Act, the use of the National Security wiretapping program (exposed by the ultra left wing New York Times), and cooperation between the US and many countries around the world-all under republican leadership and despite democratic opposition to provisions of the Patriot Act, and the wiretapping program.

2. The liberation of 30 million people in Afghanistan in a coalition that included Canada. The liberation of the Iraq people from a dictator that was responsible for over two million deaths which included two wars with neighbors in which he used WMD's against Iran. He also gassed his own countrymen.

Sorry, I cannot agree with you on Israel. Foreign and military aid go to the countries that promote US interest (democracy/the fight against terrorism etc.). In 2004, Iraq, of course, received the most aid, but second and third on the list were Israel and EGYPT. Turkey, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jordan and Indonesis also received significant aid. So it is not quite as one sided as you make it sound.

It is in our strategic interest to promote democracy, thus Israel receives a great deal of aid from the US. They are also fighting a common enemy (radical Islam) in a part of the world that is a hotbed of radical Muslim activity. There are also no other democracies in the Middle East. My guess is that the US and Israel exchange intelligence, as well. The US should support Israel (not an even sided approach), at least until all Middle East countries and terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah recognize Israel's right to exist.

The economy has recovered very nicely from an inherited downturn in the economy and the affect of the terrorist attack of 911. The tax break has generated revenue, and unemployment barely registers at 4.6%. The Dow just surged above 12000 for the first time. Yes, you are right, the deficit is high, but congress is spending far to much (throw the Republican bums out!). If your answer to the so called shrinking middle class is redistribution, then you are a dang Canadian socialist.

Environmental issues are very low on the priority list with the situations in Iraq, Afghanistan and North Korea. This forum really reflects the issues Americans are most concerned with.

I haven't got time to comment on everything, but one final comment is necessary. I have three kids so I'm doing my part to stay above ZPG.

let me be blunt.... :

forget about who has cheapest labor.

who has the best life as a citizen?

that should be your model, and mode.

there is a reason why there are OSMOTIC BARRIERS IN A CELL.

Where and when there is a great disparity between chemical contents on one side over another the osmotic barrier ensures that the rate of exchange prevents the host cell that that is trying to bring the other one into balance doesn't bleed to death, or explode. That the shift occurs at a manageble rate........

The United States is bleeding to death.

Want Mexico to be a great place to live? Or central America?

Get standards of living that are compatible with how what STANDARDS OF AMERICAN LIFE WERE IN THE 70's...........work for democracy. Remove _your_ monied oligarchy.

Stop with BS about social programs causing Americas downfall. It is

outsourcing
downsizing
Internationalization, without having regulations
lack of oversight
dishonesty/cronyism/elitist attitudes/
destruction of those agencies that protect consumers from fraud
a morally bankrupt and dishonest Congress, that complied with the fruad perpatrated by the Executive Branch that said

"we need to invade," Iraq under _any_ pretense........

soundbite mentality....WTC Iraq terrorists.......g o o g l e Negroponte and Honduras if you want to learn about US Terrorists schools...........

Shiloh :

The phrase "a ban on illegal immigration" seems redundant, if a thing is illegal it is banned, but users of the phrase probably mean to say "enforcement of immigration laws."

In "The 14 Characteristics of Fascism," q.v., Dr. Lawrence Britt includes "Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause." Immigration as a political tool is not new, but has been tweaked through Rovian Rhetoric to an exquisite form of selective demonization. "Ban Illegal Immigration" has become a rallying cry of political propaganda.

"The 14 Characteristics..." read like a Karl Rove playbook for manipulation of the voting public. Consider the issues: flag protection, torture, illegal immigration, military funding, opposition to abortion and anti-gay legislation, sympathetic media (Fox and Snow), faith-based programs, energy policy by corporate interests, obsession with national security, etc., etc. and the Republican political agenda could have been drafted directly from Britt's 14 characteristics of fascism.

That's why I think the US and the World need a Democratic Party victory in November. It's time for change.

BobL-VA :

Srikanth,

Close. I'm 56 and I am the president of a financial institution with under 75 employees. So, while I'm not a sole proprietor I do have an ownership interest, stock holders, a board of directors and I run the day to day operations. I'm guessing this is close enough for a small business owner?

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To Shiloh:

"...enforcement of immigration laws."

Is there any part of your own statement that you don't understand?

Any way you can put me on your "articles to read" list? You are not just an ordinary left winger. You are a humdinger of a left winger.

AM, Vienna, VA :

I hate to repeat myself, but just so we can pull back fromt he partisanship.

The expectation is that changes will not be earth-shaking, but they will be two-fold:
(1) a measure of accountability in internal policies, with the more extreme tendencies of the administration checked, even if only due to gridlock;
(2) less overt beligerence towards the rest of the world.

As for congressional hearings, which seems to upset some posters: That is the responsibility of the Legislative branch. To hold the Executive branch responsible and accountable. It is not to just agree to whatever the President or his minions say.

Shiloh :

To Tom in Boise: Recommended reading list:

1. Declaration of Independence
2. Magna Carta
3. Constitution of the United States
4. The Federalist Papers (Publius, et al)
5. Democracy in America (de Tocqueville)
6. The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (Wm. Shirer)

The first five are all humdingers of socio-political liberalism; the last is its alternative.

Thom Washington, DC USA :

To Tom in Boise

Recommended reading list -

1. The 9/11 commission report.
2. The Israel Lobby (Walt and Mearsheimer)
3. The Truth about Camp David (Clayton Swisher)
4. The Bill of Rights
5. Hitler's Willing Executioners
6. Anything by Uri Avneri
7. Anything by Juan Cole
8. The Iron Cage (Rashid Khalidi)

BobL-VA :

Srikanth,

Deb is normally a nickname for Deborah. Therefore, I assumed it was a woman. If I'm wrong then I apologize to Deb. (Johnny Cash once did a song titled, "A boy named Sue," so you could be right)

David Ignatius did an oped piece yesterday discussing the differences in governance styles between Bill Clinton and Bush in the Post. Did you have a chance to read it?
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Basically, what I got out of it was Clinton governed from the center. He was less concerned with ideology then he was with solving every day problems for the country. Bush, on the other hand, is more ideologically driven in formulating his policies and actions.

Assuming Mr. Ignatius' op-ed piece has merit (which I do) this translates into Bush trying to convince the American people his actions are right for the country even when they are in sharp contrast to prevailing public opinion. Hence, minority opinion governance based on a political ideology shared by maybe 25% of the people at best.

While Mr. Ignatius states he did this via sharply defining the differences between his ideology and Democrats along with rallying his base I believe that is too kind. Sharply defining was a nice way of saying lying, fear mongering and wrongfully accusing Democrats of incompetence and treason.

My best guess this strategy is catching up to Bush and fewer and fewer people are believing the rhetoric. Since I'm a firm believer our nation needs to move back towards the center and start solving the problems we've been talking about (immigration, social security, Iraq, National Security, Health Insurance, etc.) a Democratic controlled congress will be a step in that direction. This is not to say I think the Republican Party isn't capable of doing the same thing. I just don't think a republican party run by Bush is capable of it.

Salamon, canada :

to Tom wonacott, Boise, Idaho

Sorry to disappoint you, I am conservative. Unfortuantely here in Canada we have learned a hard lesson about forign debt, are learning the lesson of shortage of kids {we rely on retirees to fill many jobs - comes with slow service, for there are no kids to take the jobs; fertility rate is below replacement for many years], we have also learned the effect of underfunding pension plans [raised taxes and cancelled/reduced benefit from large companies —- amazingly this does not effect government employees the taxpayer pays]. I was trying to point out to USA voters, that these all cause problems to most citizens, except the rich ones. I do not wish upon you the consequences of foolish politics, we in Canada had.
With respect to The Twin Towers, they were very sad, loss of life, loss of wealth, loss of health [especially to firefighters, and rescue workers]. On the other hand the loss was commesurate to one month's fatality/injury & wealth distruction perpetrated every month on the Highways, streets, etc of the USA. Note well that there was no change in traffic safety, in fact you have increased the commuting time on avarage for all of the United States.
With respect to democracy, you do not have such under Bush, on one hand; and on the other democracy as such is unworkable when there are almost one million citizens per representative [in congress] and one and a half million per Senator. What you have is a rule by the interest of monied people, large industies' representatives, and K-street.
Otherwise good luck to you and your citizen compatriots.

Shiloh :

Debjani Chatterjee, Indian poet, led me to a presumption of female gender. A certain tone in her writing, bordering on hysterical conservatism, also contributes to that presumption.

BobL-VA :

OK, I googled Deb Chatterjee and found 280,000+ hits for males and females.

Deb Chatterjee excuse me for jumping to conclusions. I should have left gender out of my post. Not that I'm willing to revise the message, but I should have made it gender neutral.

Shiloh,

No, I just assumed by the name Deb was a woman. However, now that you mention it............ just kidding.

Jean, Los Osos, USA :

Does anyone where you live think that a Republican Congress would be better for the world? Yes ma'am. They also think that Armageddon is nigh, that knowledge is dangerous, and that pigs have wings. Face it. These are the people the Democrats have to win over. Go, team, go!

Jean, Los Osos, USA :

Does anyone where you live think that a Republican Congress would be better for the world? Yes ma'am. They also think that Armageddon is nigh, that knowledge is dangerous, and that pigs have wings. Face it. These are the people the Democrats have to win over. Go, team, go!

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho:

I agree that we (the U. S.) should help our "friends." However, our policies MUST be fair, just, and uniform. We are playing cops, and yet, are choosing sides, despite the overwhelming evidence that our favorite side is not playing fair. Look, Israel must abandon its policy of being a "strictly Jewish" state and include Palestinians as its citizens; in return, Palestinians must abandon terrorism and abide by the secular constitutional law, not the Sharia. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is totally mindless, and we are dragged into this by Israel. It is time for Israel (AND Palestinians) to do their part and carry their own weight. If they do not want to do that, I do NOT want us to have any part in the ensuing mayhem. Unless and until the Israelis and Palestinians come to grips with harsh reality of following secular constitution, BOTH of the them are going to obliterated off the face of this earth. Lastly, we need to have a conscience, which we sorely lack, despite all the hoopla surrounding the ideological pronouncements by everyone of us.

In response to your statement that "our strategic interest is to promote democracy," could I request that we start with Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Pakistan, et al? If you think Israel is a beacon of democracy, then I am sorry that you have misunderstood the meaning of democracy. Speaking of Saddam Hussein, it behooves us to bear in mind that he was our staunch friend in 1980's. Today's allies are tomorrow's enemies - just the perfect result of our expedient, myopic foreign policies. (And Saddam is not the only example that I can cite.) What a shame!

BobL:

Yes, your position does indeed make a small-businessman. Sorry for "assuming."

David Ignatius' piece does make sense. Ideology never trumps commonsense approach and fairness in the long term.

:

Does it really matter what sex a person is if (s)he is dead, ass-backwards, wrong?

Patricia McClanahan, Grapevine, USA :

In Texas, there is a growing fear that the war was wrong. There is also incredible hubris as to not admitting mistakes. Texas won't go Democratic until we can face that. I hope the rest of the country will vote for the change we desperaely need.

Patricia McClanahan, Grapevine, USA :

In Texas, there is a growing fear that the war was wrong. There is also incredible hubris as to not admitting mistakes. Texas won't go Democratic until we can face that. I hope the rest of the country will vote for the change we desperaely need.

jan van flac, brooklyn, NY :

I am sick to death of Republicans impugning the patriotism of Democrats,
and the (sucessful) portrayal of Democrats as "weak on national security"

No administration has weakened this country like the Bush administration.

We are now powerless, thanks to this band of theives and idiots, to confront
Iran and North Korea. Instead we blew our load on a pointless quagmire of a war.

Time to face reality, Republicans....Al Quaeda wants YOUR SIDE to win, just as they prayed
for a Bush victory in 2004. You are just to blind to see it, and have walked into their trap.

martin Bakersfield, Ca. USA :

I am a life-long resident of a rural agricultural community located in the San Juaquin Valley in California. The majority of this town's residents are farm workers who don't earn a lot of money. We are mostly proud democrats who work hard; we raise our children to be good, thoughtful, and productive adults; and we go protest to the community water district when our water and sewer bill gets too expensive-just as we did last night. We are proud democrats, but most of all, we are proud Americans!

pointless quamire of a ?war? :

you are simply too credulous....

friends with the Saudis, UAE, Turkey......occupying Kuwiat. Saudi Oil Wells reaching 50 years of age.

India/China/Pakistan/Mexico emerging from 3rd world status. United States not showing any signs of actually working on

becoming Energy Independant.............talk about BIG MARKET!!!!!

BIG $$$$$$$$$$ MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$$

what war?

it is most properly called an occupation to control a scarce resource by fuedal powers........

how can the United States influence world opinion when they are the imperialist, money grubbing, bad guys..........

this is a B_GRADE MOVIE, with an ex_addict in charge of the wealthiest country on earth, because his familiy connections give him the reigns of power.......

stupid people have feelings too, don't tell him I said that, except if you remember from the Farenheit 911 movie at the Carlton Ritz blowout in Washington DC he said,

"Some people would call you the Haves and the Have Mores, I prefer to call you my base!"

he isn't stupid, and he does know what he is doing.

Can you say, World Trade Center, 911, Iraq and Terrorists in the same sentence about 3.5 Million times over the course of the last 4 years enough times until 39% of the United States Population believes that Iraq terrorists blew up the WTC? Even though it was the Saudis and the cia trained Al Queardas?

that's gotta be a simple mistake right? BS

CAL, Lincoln,MA, USA :

Did it occur to you to have any women on the panel?

Such lopsidedness ill becomes The Washington Post.

MikeB :

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA - I truly hope you are wrong about the inevitability of globalization, but in my heart and in my nightmare's I believe you may be right. But, in being right, you are going to witness the end of America in your lifetime. The Middle Class will cease to exist and we will devolve into a new kind of feudalism, with a very few extremely wealthy people ruling over the mass of desperately poor serfs. You are simply crazy if you think Indian and Chinese workers are going to benefit from globalization. In a global economy, corporations will chase the cheapest labor and desperate people in every country will bargain wage and benefit concessions, all kinds of worker protections from hours to safety regulations, just to have some sort of job. Public sector jobs may ward all of this off for a while, but for a very short while, and the general population will turn on them in fury for their cozy retirement programs, outlandish salaries and benefits, and job security. Itís happening in liberal Oregon, where I live, right now. There are movements to do away with the public employee retirement system, outsource state clerical positions, even to ìprivatizeî the states school system. Governments have asked for one too many tax increases for one to many stupid new building or programs and the backlash threatens to swamp government.

Along with it, all that you hold dear is going to disappear into history. Humanism? Humanism didn't grow up in a vacuum. It is an outgrowth of Judeo-Christian morality. It is not a mistake that in the rest of the world, life is cheap and coarse and hard. I have been to your beloved India. One vivid memory is of a slum where thousands of people were starving to death. Right next door there was a warehouse full of food with a greasy and all too well fed owner standing out front with his arms folded. In Japan, in a restaurant where I was being entertained, I was brought a raw fish on a plate, cut into thin thin slices...the eyes of that fish moved to track me as I was about to try a bite! Imagine the agony. In Islamic countries they murder innocent men, women and children just to make a political or religious point, slaughter whole peoples simply because they are different. Witness Turkey and the Kurds and Armenian Christians and Cyprus, and Iran and Bahi and again the Kurds and Jews. In Burma, you jolly Buddhists control and army that surrounds Karin villages during the night while the people sleep and surround it with mine fields. In the morning, for entertainment, they machine gun the ramshackle houses and make bets as to *if* anyone will survive a run through the mine fields. All of this is coming to an end. Your precious women's rights, the rights of minorities, the right of the poor to even life itself, all of this will disappear. The deluded conservatives can look forward to losing everything they hold dear, too, as the new feudal lords, fearing for their safety from the dirty masses, enact gun control laws, their economic policies reduce them to poverty, and the new rulers control any tendencies of the church that threaten their grip on power.

B.Mahnken, Upstate N.Y. U.S.A. :

The correct question should be...Is there ANYONE left who trusts the Republicans? In 12 short years of their "revolution" they've managed to undo Everything Good we could once be proud of...I believe in a few short weeks a new wind will be blowing & it WONT be bringing more of the same.

Tammy, United States :

David in Grand Rapids is just the sort of person I think of when I talk to people about getting rid of political parties. It's ridiculous for him to dismiss people who would be brilliant leaders simply because of what party they belong to. George W. Bush has shown the entire world what a total disaster it is to select people for jobs based on their party instead of their skill. George Washington warned in his farewell address about the danger of the consuming flame of "party spirit." Let's not let more years go by without learning the lesson that we need to select people on the basis of their capabilities! Basing voting decisions on party is every bit as ridiculous and pointless as a moth basing flightplan decisions based on my porchlight.

BobL-VA :

To: Permalink

You wrote, "Does it really matter what sex a person is if (s)he is dead, ass backwards, wrong?"

The answer is yes, it does matter.

Taking responsibility for our mistakes and being held accountable is something that has been sorely lacking in our captial for a very long time. When Bush couldn't get Bin Laden it was Clinton's fault. When the NK's blew up a bomb it was Clinton's fault. Foley's excuse is alcohol and maybe a single incident that happened eons ago with a priest.

God forbid, someone in Washington, should say, "I made a mistake. I'll do my best to correct it."
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Bismarck1 Charleston S. C. :

I find it simply amazing that the question is even posed. The answer is obvious. The Republican Party has generated enough hatred and class division to last one thousand years. Mentioning one thousand years,conjurs up the image of facism. Certainly while this may resemble the one thousand year Reich, our brand of Democracy will be strained to tolerate another two years. The Republicans seem to pass a lot of bills as pure political hog wash and fund none. They can't even build a fence.

Yes, if it is the party of major reforms, it will be far better than what we currently have. If it is not the party of reform, it will be turned out in four years.

Employment and retirement security; affordable health care; affordable housing; opportunities; a balanced budget; and a sound economy need
attention.

daniel :

To Carl Senna (and Srikanth as well because some of my comments were apparently of concern to you as well). Carl, you seem to think me a mindless racist or something and you responded to what you believe were my racist comments by saying something along the lines of "since when has differences between people which they cannot control precluded treating everyone well underneath the law?". Furthermore you add something along the lines of "how do we act toward people who are mixed racially or what do we do about the least qualified members of the "superior" races, etc.?"

My answer to you Carl is that first, I see no law you speak of under which all are treated equally. My whole point is that I see no political solution anymore to the worlds ills. I personally believe, for example, blacks just do not demonstrate the intellectual capacity of peoples such as whites, Jews, Orientals. But I am far from saying we should exterminate them. On the contrary, I recognize that as evil. But what do we do? Pretend that they are equal? What does that serve? Does not that cut into people better qualified for jobs?

In other words, Carl Senna, I am saying justice so far as I can tell is impossible. I see no law you speak of under which all can be provided for with justice. But apparently you do. And I suspect it is precisely because you are a liberal (left wing).

What I am saying is there is no political solution to the contradictions in the world. Somebody always gets hurt. It is difficult enough to act with justice in day to day relationships.

This is not to say I will quit trying to find a way out of the dilemma—a way to do justice to everyone and everything—but so far as I can tell both left and right wing views are vastly deficient.

Actually over the past week I have been disheartened, but I feel ready to tackle all the contradictions in life again.

As to your question of what to do when a member of a "superior" race is actually not as good as someone of an inferior race, I would respond by saying once again we arrive at injustice because we start entering the dilemma of why it is some people just lag behind others no matter the race, no matter the schema by which we classify people. Thousands are falling behind because of no fault of their own and not by persecution as so many would like to think is the reason.

I hope I have put my concerns clearly and to your satisfaction. I just feel that society is far from having devised political solutions to the problems of man. I think both the Republican and Democratic parties are shot through with contradiction.

And to address an issue others have brought up on Postglobal, the article by Ignatius which mentions that Clinton was a synthesizer and governed from the center while Bush was a clarifier (read divisive) and governed from a partisan base, I would say that is a cheap shot to exalt Clinton, because if he were at all a synthesizer I would not even exist—which is to say I would not feel at all compelled to grapple with all the contradictions around me. Furthermore if Clinton were all that great a synthesizer, we would not have all the divisiveness today. Some synthesis of Clinton's that it just blew away in the wind!

No, the decisive synthesis has yet to be made. And I can tell you right now it will never come from a man like Clinton or Bush—it will come from a truly magnificent intellect. It will be a feat of artistry and science born of intellects that do not shirk contradiction and really strive to form overarching structures to give meaning and direction to people's lives.

But I see none of that today which is why I will no longer vote and simply work on trying to solve the contradictions around me.

I hope this has put some concerns about me to rest.

P.S. Sorry about sloppy writing on some of my posts (the first two posted here and others in the past). I usually work on a computer on which I have limited time and this forces me to write faster than I would like and to not be able to edit, revise, etc. Sorry. I am working it out. I can see I have been making logical slips on some of my posts which confuse my posts. Will work it out.

Glenn C. Rhoads, Highland Park, U.S. :

I know two countries who would welcome a democratic Congress,
Iran and North Korea. Does anybody think it is mere coincidence
that three weeks before the U.S. election, North Korea belligerently
decides to violate U.N. sanctions by conducting Nuclear Tests and
Iran increases its supplies to the Iraqi terrorists to ratchet up
the violence in Iraq? It should be obvious that they want the Bush
administration to look bad in order to influence the election and
get a democratic Congress.

Jan Van Flac, Brooklyn, NY :

"I know two countries who would welcome a democratic Congress,
Iran and North Korea"

No country has benifitted more from the last 6 years of republican incompetence than Iran. Why would they want a change?

All of our enemies love Bush and the republicans. Why do you think OBL drops a scary video every election? Who do you think that benefits?

Atheist, Boston, USA :

Today, "The Economist" has just published an insightful article at the following web link.

http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8057912

"The Economist" warns, "It helps Iran that, just as the world gears up to enforce the anti-nuclear rules, the rules may be changing. Iranian officials point to India, a country that built nuclear weapons outside the NPT, and yet is now accepted by America, which recognises it as a 'de facto' nuclear power (and is attempting to rewrite the rules accordingly), in hopes of making it a 'strategic partner' in Asia. If India can have any technology it wants, Iran asks, why not us?"

The new Congress, regardless of whether the Democrats control it, must immediately terminate the nuclear deal that Washington gave to New Delhi. In this deal, Washington agrees to violate the terms of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT) and to give nuclear technology to a society that has committed to aggressively build nuclear weapons.

If you are reading this message, pass the above web link to your friends and to other on-line forums. The issue is vitally important to the security of the West.

We need a Congress that can stand up to Indian ruthlessness.

"B" Boston :

MikeB
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/2006/10/16/a_democratic_congress/comments.php?page=5#c722263
"Humanism? Humanism didn't grow up in a vacuum. It is an outgrowth of Judeo-Christian morality."

Sigh. What arrogance. Then, really the only thing to do is to convert everyone to Christianity- the most logical thing, isn't it? Why are you taling like a Republican?

The West's most important theoretical contribution is Individualism, not humanism. Buddha was one of the earliest humanist. Don't forget the medieval Europe with all Christian tortures. Also don't forget no country can feed 1.1 billion people yet before you raise examples of humanity etc of people in slums.

But your main concern for American labor is understandable but here again is a story from a different angle: I am married to an engineer who works at GE. The factory workers at GE work 2 hours and get paid $100,000/year at GE because of unions. GE, Lockheed etc doesn't reveal anything to the foreign engineers that you say they do. They do the grunt work. Yes, there is a fear of Indian engineers getting the skills, but there is very high turnover rate in India, because GE does pay them very little.

But I have a question for anyone, how long can a company survive when there is no profit and yet shelling out $100,000 to lazy people? Perhaps the work ethos also needs to change along with the politics.

:

Most people in America, if the polls are to be believed, feel that it is time for accountability in our government. However, whether that will happen remains to be seen. Apparently massive voter roll purges are already happening in Ohio and lord only knows what kind of tricks with electronic voting (sans printouts... In this day and age not to have printout capability is just shameful) will happen.

I will vote however. It is my duty as a citizen. They can't change all the votes...

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Srikanth Raghunathan wrote:

"As regards Deb Chatterjee, I do not know if that person is a he, or a she, although I suspect it is a he. Forgive his ignorance. He is just ranting and raving for Republican majority like a wild maniac with tunnel vision."

Yes, I am HE. But, it's OK. to make mistakes. Because I don't agree with Democrats and see them as pissed of whiners, I am ignorant ? Well, that says a lot about Democratic supporters like yourself, Srikanth.

bill browning usa :

Yes.I and people like me who disagree with bush's reasons for the iraqi war are tired of being called unpatriotic by many in this administration who ducked out in prior wars.we are tired of being lied to,tired of being played for fools and tired of the just plain incompetence.Bush will be remembered as at least the worst president of the modern era.Bush has failed at every thing he ever attempted that he managed.he is at best a front man or really an inept confidence man.2009 can not come soon enough.I hope i am still living to see him return to Crawford where he belongs.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

This is gettiong quite stale. For all those Democrat (pussycats), I'd like to ask:

(a) Economy is improving; Dow Jones hit 12000 mark. George W can take some (if not all) credit. Unemployment is low.

(b) Illegal immigration is to be stopped. Democrats are flip-flopping but mostly it's going to be a issue in 2008 elections.

(c) GOP has done enough to thwart Islamic radicals attacking USA for a second time. Yes, GOP's strategies may not have been pleasant with ACLU liberal hicks, but they have bene effective. What's wrong with that ? Bleeding-heart Leftist Democrats (Howard Dean followers) want to celebrate human rights of the likes of Abu Musab Al-Zarqwai ? Isn't that hypocrisy ?

(d) What has a single Democrat done so far other than threatening to let "subpeonas fly" ? What would be the plan of Democrats to combat Islamic terrorism in USA ?

NOTE: Though I'll vote Republican, I am quite pissed at the deaths of the American soldiers in Iraq. I agree that Bushies could have done scales better ! Don Rumsfeld's bluntness is apparently a problem.

But, George W is trying his best. His predecessor was skirt-chasing Monica "Oh My Darling" Lewinsky, and testing tomahawk cruise missiles randomly. He however made a bold attempt to state on Chris Wallace show that those missiles were really aimed at Muslim terrorists. USA needs to arm Israel to the teeth.

If anyone can show me compelling reasons why I am wrong, I'll accept it. So far none of the Democrat bloggers have done so far, except hooting in the dark !

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To Salamon, Canada

Fair enough. Just two comments:

1. Read George Will's column in the Washington Post this morning on the economy.

2. Maybe you would like to comment further on "...With respect to democracy, you do not have such under Bush...". i'm interested in your answer.

Thanks

BobL-VA :

MikeB and "B" Boston,

Humanism has it's roots in Greece dating back into the 4th-6th Century BC. It's been 30 years since I took a Philosophy class and I can't remember the persons name, but I can remember the concept he came up with: Know Thyself.

Humanism is a rejection of theology of any type (starting with Greek Gods) in favor of rational and/or scientific thought to promote a more ethical and humane world. The rejection of religion is based on the belief religions can not make the world a more humane place to live and therefore have no place in our ethical lives. Most Christian Sects consider Humanists as Atheists.

I have never heard of Buddha being associated with Humanism in any way, but if you have a reference I'd love to read it.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

BobL-VA wrote:

"I have never heard of Buddha being associated with Humanism in any way, but if you have a reference I'd love to read it."

Try the book:

Arthur L. Basham, THE WONDER THAT WAS INDIA. ISBN: 0283992573

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

daniel:

No comment!

MikeB:

I am surprised to hear your assertion that Judeo-Christian principles prceded Humanism. As "B," Boston mentioned you are beginning to sound like right-wing radicals, whom you claim to loathe. By the way, India is really NOT my "beloved." However, I speak my mind, and I have spoken against India, on many occasions. I hope that you understand at least that I am trying to be open-minded. (For your information, I am a Hindu AND a Christian.)

Speaking of slums, we, too, have them. Just go to the "wrong side of the tracks" in almost every city and you will find them.

Deb Chatterjee, USA:

I am far from being classified a Democrat. I am a registered "Not-Affiliated." I have voted Republican AND Democrat in the past. If my comments make me a Democrat, then so be it. However, I am certain that some of my Republican and Democrat friends in Congress (for whom I have raised funds and voted) are chuckling. As my "esteemed" guest, have at it!

Deb, first, you need to be a realist. Secondly, there is nothing wrong in admitting one's mistakes. (The key is not to repeat them.) Thirdly, please do not take us for fools, lest you think that you can keep repeating same "mantra" over and over again so that in your mind, it will hopefully become the truth. Lastly, before you call me a Democrat, read my earlier posts. You are exactly what I said earlier - a ranting, raving, wild, lunatically misguided Republican without any common sense (or cause, for that matter) and does not even want to read and understand what other persons are saying. I bet that you like to hear yourself making speeches, all the time! However, you are entitled to being one, as a citizen of this country.

Shiloh :

Mr. Chatterjee is clutching at straws. On his first issue, the Dow at 12000, he seems unaware that the DJIA representes only 30 of more than 10,000 publicly traded stocks. The Dow indicates that the top 30 corporations - the biggest and richest - are getting bigger and richer. It is exactly what to expect from a corporate dominated administration.

"B"boston :

Bob-L, VA

By most of the categories that would define humanism, Buddha's philosophy is very close to that of humanism, probably spiritual humanism. Buddha gave up on gods and God. By his dismissal of the caste and emphasis on the merit of 'right thought' and 'right action' - he first rejects authority - one category of humanistic thought. But the most important category, IMO, is however, [I cannot quite find the verse right away] is that he asked his disciples not to just take his words for granted but to think for themselves. It is hard to find anyone even these days asking for something like that.

I would like to make a point that by common practice we have a Western way of judging things. IMO, it's not a complete view of things.

Salamon, Canada :

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho

Yes I read the article. Unfortunately, similar articles have appered in the Globe and Mail [Canada's premier newspaper at the time] with respect to our major stock exchange, when the qutations were in Can $ during our problems with foreign debt. The trouble with the Dow, that it is reflects only 30 Stocks, Standard and Poor is probably better measure of US economy. That the Dow is highest in US$, is no suprise, for the US$ is down considerably against all major currencies in the last 2 years [even the Chinese Rimbi] — thus we might presume that the Dow lost value [even though it is highest in US $] in relative trade adjusted basis when compared to the UK pound, Euro etc. The Toronto Stock Exchange's rise in Can $ was similarly indicative of static or loss value in trade weighted exchange rate.

With respect to the hope that the inequality will perhaps slowly change [due to improved education], do not hold your breath. Notwithstanding the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT of your federal government, notwithstanding the over 50 constituional challenges to various state education systems [e.g Brown vs. Topeka, Texas, Kentucky et al] to a large extent AT PRESENT [in USA]the education standard is commesurate with social status of the local area. Were the US Supreme Court Justices in re Black etc would have said something simple: all children are entitled to opportunity to the best curriculum avalable ANYWHERE within the state rather than the bussing/funding nonsense THERE WOULD BE HOPE {it is not funding which children learn but the content of the curriculum]. State Politicians and lawyers can fudge on funding, fudge on other issues, but would have found impossible to fudge on curriculum. As sideline I do not think Canada's scientists had really surpassed 1989 yet [counting inflation and tax increases of all types, including state/province mandated user fees] income level, if they did, it was minor lately. The income inequality has increased quite a bit in Canada in the last 20 years. The oly way to decrease inequality is through strenuous application of progressive taxation without loopholes. I Know that no one understands the Canadian Taxation law/regulation — the present Governor of the BAnk of Canada used to be the highest civil servant in Treasury, and he admitted to Parliament that he did not understand the law. Your Tax law [federal level] is even stranger. I do not think that the Walton siblings need another 2-3 billion income per year - while their employees do not have comprehensive health insurance [which would be tax deductible expense for WALMART].

Now with respect to Democracy: closest in the 20th century is the federal state of Switzerland. Extremely restricted Federal power, great use of plebescites in the Canton Level [also in the federal level]. Effective citizen centered governments, very low unemployment rate, extremely low high school dropout rate [versus USA/Canada/UK of approximate 25-30% of age cohort at age 18] Reasoably high standard of living for all.

Why USA not democracy [besides the lack of equality access in educational standards]yet another example:

Compare NEW ORLEANS catastrophy [and lack of rebuilding, uncontrolled enviromental damage, extremly great living standard disparity] where the Federal Government has found funds for the Navy yards, but did not yet manage to rebuild even 50% of the city. They however found propably $100 billion for various wars in the last year. Such action does not bespeak of government for the people, it bespeaks of Government for Halliburton, and Co [and their subsidiaries].

Were you in need of longer analysis of Democracy, I will consider posting an e-mail address where you can send note, so I can make a better explanation

Kunnath Paulose, Phila USA :

To be a great Nation you must have great leaders. Leaders must know and understand America's place in the World, America's limitations, its obligations and the ability to look thru other people's eyes at the World and at America.

You cannot have such abilities if you have a disdain for other people's opinions, if you hate differences, if you do not compromise, if you refuse to talk to your enemies or even your own people. These are the kind of people in the Congress and in the Whitehouse.

It is hard to imagine that a democratic Nation has chosen to elect leaders of such poor standing. To have great leaders a Nation must have an enlightened people. American's are paying the price for believing the foolish ideas of foolish leaders. It has cost America and the World dearly. I know its hard to blame an entire Nation, but remember a mistake by a leader reflects on the leader and all the people he rules over. America can only blame itself.

This must be a lesson learned by America and by all Nations...
..EVEN IN A DEMOCRACY YOU CAN ELECT TO BE FOOLED!

Now in this time of spreading enlightenment, I only hope that enough Americans have awoken from the sleep of ignorance to elect leaders who reflect true, original American and yes, basic human values of justice, equality and prosperity for all of humankind.

this chatterjee fellow is obviously a devote' Osho. :

selling "the ?real? thing," to get some rolls royces.........

a selfish cowbird.

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To Srikanth Raghunathan

First of all, you've had several postings concerning Israel, and that's kind of interesting to me because they generally are anti-Israel in one way or another. In your case, it's probably more related to a sense of "fairness".

Israel, as far as I know, didn't drag us anywhere. The US has supported democracies all over the world (South Korea, Taiwan etc.), and will continue, hopefully, to do so. I'm sure you would agree that if all countries in the Middle East were democracies, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

From Joe Lieberman, 2004 democratic presidential debate:

"We have had a unique relationship with Israel, strong support of Israel. Why? Based on values. This is the only democracy in the Middle East, that's the beginning.

Secondly, based on mutual military strategic interests. Israel is the one country in the region that we can rely on today, tomorrow, 10, 50 years from now to stand with America in a time of crisis."

I agree with that statement.

Does this democracy have its problems? Most countries with indigenous populations have had their problems, and considering they are at war with Arabs, it is easy to see where there might be suspicions between Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs. Of course, there is some discimination. None the less, there are twelve Israeli Arab members of the Knesset (10%) and one a member of the Israeli Supreme Court (out of twelve). They also hold other important positions within Israel.

There is a significant amount of discrimination in the occupied lands. I can hardly blame Israel since they are subject to horrific attacks that target civilians. I do not recall saying Israel is a "beacon of democracy", but they are compared to other Middle East countries.

I do not support an even-handed approach to Middle East diplomacy until all Middle East countries and terrorist organizations (affiliated with a country such as Hamas etc.) support Israel's right to exist, and to abandon Israel would only embolden their enemies. It is exactly what they (Al Qaeda etc.) want (in my opinion).

Finally, you'll notice from the first paragragh under number two of my previous posting:

"Foreign and military aid go to the countries that promote US interest (democracy/the fight against terrorism etc.)". The countries I listed definitely fall in the "fight against terrorism" category (not democracy). Sorry I didn't make that more clear.

Odgeni, VA, US :

Now I have proof that the GOP will win. Thank you, WaPo, and all your readers who are totally clueless about the precarious situation in which this country is poised WRT the war against Islamofascism. I don't care what the rest of the world thinks about the U.S. When we're in need, they don't answer. They hate us because they don't have the military and economic strength that we do. So, I'm not interested in what the rest of the world says whilst we try to defend ourselves, and them.

Nobody where I live thinks that a Democrat Congress will be better for the U.S. Nobody in their right mind could think the Democrats would be better for the U.S. Better for the rest of the world? Definitely. It was under Democrats that the Chinese acquired the means to send projectiles into space (thank you Clinton and Loral). It was under Democrats that NKO acquired the means to create nuclear weapons (thank you Clinton and Carter). It was under Democrats that the U.S. was constantly attacked by Islamofascists (thank you Clinton). So, the rest of the world will rejoice in our weakness for they will interpret the ascendancy of Democrats as a loss of American will to defend the country.

The statists at the EU will be ecstatic if the anti-capitalism, communist Democrats take charge. Then, the EU bureaucrats will be assured that high taxes, big government programs that don't work will become the order of the day. They will be assured that the Democrats will follow the EU economic and social models which have proven disastrous (ask the economists in the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, etc.).

The open borders crowd (of whom, regrettably, President Bush is one) will be ecstatic because the world will flood America. Everyone wants to come here, illegally or any way they can, as long as they arrive. We will continue to lose our rugged individualism and our sense of ourselves as a people not dependent on the state to provide for us. We will continue to become like the EU.

Will the world be happy? Heck, yeah. Finally, the great America will be coming down to their third world level. There's a lot for them to rejoice about in that.

Mark Sell, Miami, Florida :

Of course. Divided government is the best government, particularly when the system has been "gamed." It is the proper if not inevitable consequence of hubris. Dems must, however, control and moderate (but not abandon) their inquisitorial and payback-seeking instincts and reverse the acrid partisanship Bush's minions have fostered. We are all in this together and we need to get past the divide-and-conquer Rovism that has destroyed our standing in the world. Then, gradu8ally, we can rejoin the planet as Bush and Cheney shoot skeet and drink Jack Daniels in Crawford.

Mark Skudlarek, Planet Earth :

Yes. I do. I can't really imagine them being worse. I mostly hope a Democratic Congress will be better. But, We the People, each need to be more responsible, as a consumer, investor, neighbor, inhabitant. Set the example for the politicians. They're in desperate need of good role models these days.

:

I think this administration, with its faults would still be a better government than anything the Democrats could put together.

I can not imagine a worse government, :

than this one.

In my wildest dreams, I never expected to see this level of corruption at the national level,

and certainl not being hidden or pandered to by such stupidly obvious politicians.....

and the level of damage to the humanity, infrastructure and future of the citizens.........whoooooooooooeeeeeeee

the only thing that could make me feel better would be to see them criminals do some serious jail time, after losing all of their properties and their futures..........break them down to nothing, mark their resumes with the word felon, and let them look for work....

that would be a happy ending.

thanks so much, I can believe in truth justice and the American way again...........

destroy them.

they hate us because we're good! :

right, and I'm the tooth fairy,

they hate us because your president invented a lie that is getting them killed for no good reason.....

don't be disingenuous, or jingoistic, or demagogist........

report to the nearest sterlization clinic, so that your genetic material doesn't bring down the nations IQ.

thanks so much. gawd bless you.

jan van flac, Brooklyn, NY, USA :

"think this administration, with its faults would still be a better government than anything the Democrats could put together. "

How so? They have done NOTHING right.

Don't give me any BS about the Dow, it is basically at the same place it was 6 years ago...so if you invested in the DJIA, you effectively lost money.

Inequality? Up.

Our Military? Weakened by the Iraq debacle.

Our Reputation worldwide? Mud.

Our Electorate? Bitterly divided like never before.

Our Elections? Rigged like a banana republic.

Our Constitution? Trashed.

the list goes on....

Mexicos last president Fox, a good friend of Bush :

was here a few months ago to lobby for amnesty for _illegals_ because they send sooooooooooooooo much dinero home to

MEHICO!!!!!!!!!! Reconquista!!!!!

centerm, usa :


David

the democrats are multi task bunch. they could handle the inside threats as well as the outside threats....

thank goodness for Watergate investigation....

and David, you need to read Thea's piece above

Tom wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To jan van flac, Brooklyn

The Democrat strategy for this election is to let the Republicans hang themselves (which will probably work). If you read the opinion pages, many columnist have critisized the Bush Administration's policies, but a significant amount have critisized the Democrats because they lacked ideas.

Your post sounds exactly like a typical Democrat (Howard Dean?) on the stump and if your typical voter really looks at what you said, he will notice that you really offer nothing in the way of policies, or policy changes (just critisizm).

So let me twist the PostGlobal question around and ask you:

If the Democrats gain control of both houses of Congress, what will they legislate to make the world safer (that includes the US)? Remember, Bush has veto power, although we all know he won't use it.

Cindy, New Orleans, USA :

I would welcome a Democratic congress inorder to have some checks on the executive branch. I would feel this way if the Democratic party controlled all branches of government. It is hard apparently to exert pressure on one's own party I guess in today'a polarized political environment. Concentration of power makes for bad policies.

I Hope that if the Democrats do win congress, checks and balances will not devolve inot revenge. Americans are tired of partisan politics and want solutions to problems. We want serious debate about this isues, not partisan attacks.

I say this as a life-long Democrat.

Douglas in Tokyo :

Zakaria,

Did you draft that question? It sounds to me like a rhetorical questions as in 'how could anyone anywhere think the Democrats are better?' Or maybe I'm just suspicious about your motives and hostile since it came out that you and Kaplan had a secret meeting with Wolfowitz in 2001 to talk about how to spin Iraq. Haven't you carried enough water for the Bush Administration? (http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1467)

I shouldn't gripe too much about your spinning since you are a columnist but it does gall me that the supposedly fair minded Post is staffed by you, Fred Hiatt, John Harris, Woodward and Howie. There are days you guys read like a right wing version of the Washington Times.

At least the Post still employs a few good reporters. Jeff Smith may not be a household name but he is the reporter Woodward used to be. Your organization owes Smith and to a lesser extent Milbank and Balz for what remains of your reputation. Buy one of the a beer and maybe ask for some journamalism tips.

Cindy, New Orleans, USA :

After reading some of the comments above, I have become angry! The attacks by partisan Republicans demonstate why this country has gone down hill. They have no regard for the violence the US has inflicted on the world. The thought that the Democrats would hurt the economy is laughable. The number of Americans being killed not to mention Iraqis is sky-rocketing. Yet, they believe the Democrats would neglect to protect them. Bitter, selfish people.

Daphne, St. Petersburg, FL :

Yes, yes, yes
Your priorities are implied in your question; you are an internationalist who puts the needs of other nations before the needs of the US an Americans. This is in line with Bush and the neocons who only care about Americans making more than $60,000 a year. We need a congress that will protect American workers for a change.

M.K. Berry, Bethesda :

To BobL – Welcome to the Amused Party. Our numbers have just doubled – let’s see the Dems, or the GOP, or the Greens match that kind of growth.

I think humor has a useful purpose in any discussion, but particularly in a political discussion, because to laugh requires one to take a deep breath. And here’s where I address all of us who participate in this little forum: it’s time for everyone to take a deep breath.

I know that many of us have deeply held beliefs, and that those have been passionately advanced in this forum. But…but…but…despite your misgivings, the election in three weeks is not the Battle of Megiddo – it is nothing more or less then an off-year election in the United States. It is important, do not mistake me, but it is not the Final Battle.

Let me tell you why. I do not believe that any of us, or anyone we know, will on November 8 start down-loading IED specs from the Web and begin assembling the components. Let me rephrase – I devoutly hope that no one we know will do that. Because to do that is to deny what we as Americans know – at a gut level – that what the cost would be to go that route.

Personal case in point: I am a second generation Irish-American, and I went back to Ireland 14 years ago. As I was driving out of Dublin, I passed a sign pointing to the site of the Battle of the Boyne – and I kept on driving. I knew – vaguely – about the battle, and its significance (the Irish lost – again), but it didn’t mean anything to me. I have since walked the battlefields of First and Second Manassas, and Antietam, and spent a three day weekend following the ebb and flow of the Battle of Gettysburg – standing in the swale imagining (and probably failing) the discipline it took for the Confederate soldiers to dress their lines under the withering fire of the Union guns on Cemetery Ridge – and I wept. I felt for the agony of a nation that my family was not even a part of then – but it is an agony that is an integral part of what I am because I am an American.

This is what all of us who are Americans know: the cost of beliefs, and emotions, and sheer, pig-headed stubbornness when carried to the extreme. We, and the English, and the French, wear the scars of internecine warfare. The problem is, exactly like the situation of any of us who have raised children – we can tell a child that a hot iron is dangerous, but most children won’t learn that lesson until they burn themselves. We have little patience with those nations (Iraq) who will not learn from our experience, but have to burn their own fingers. We, as a nation, have to integrate the lessons that we have individually learned as parents – Iraq has to learn from its own experience.

Here is my point to all of my fellow participants: just as John McCain has said that elections have consequences, so do words have consequences. Casting this election in Yes/No, Black/White, Good/Bad (Red/Blue?) does not contribute to the national debate of where we are, and where we, collectively, want to go. All those contrasts simply polarize, and to a large extent paralyze us as a nation. The consequences of that paralysis I spoke of earlier: when our focus is inward everything that happens outside our borders is only considered within the narrow view of local political advantage. This will be to the disadvantage of the world, and to ourselves as a nation.

So, take a deep breath, pause (to laugh or reflect), speak/write reflectively, and understand that all of us are living in a world that none of us truly understand – and give us all the benefit of the doubt...

Thom, Washington, DC USA :

M.K. Berry -

Is there another slot in your amused party? Perhaps I could be the cynical branch? Tom Lehrer could be our mascot. Mark Russel could write a song.

Antonio, Coral Springs, Florida USA :

I just can't believe my eyes and the words that are being written. Of course a Democratic Congress would work. But some of the statements we live in a world full of dangers and need big brother to take care of us. Who are you people kidding to belive this nonsense. The world has always been dangerous come off of it. Most of you don't even know your own congressman sorry maybe congresswoman. I personaly write mine all the time and even call so maybe by now he even knows my name. He votes the way we want him to vote and I do believe that he does care. Maybe you don't personally like the way he votes but he listens to the people who elected him. Of course I think he doesn't have a choice becasue we write him and call him. So you see those of you who are afraid of the bad evil folks as our wonderful leader puts it, then move to Montana with him we will cut out a peice of the country for you all to live in your own little world. I am sorry to Montana I don't want to offend you and no I would never do such a horriable thing to real Americans they still believe in freedom because they keep their guns and also have to work for a living. It really doesn't matter who is in Washington Republicans or Democratics because in reality your are supposed to be in Washington. You vote you put them there to do your will not the will they say. Remeber write a letter pick up the phone go down to your rep's office and make a stand. What did you think freedom was really free and all you had to do was just say I am free. Wake up yes the Democratic's deserve a chance to either fix things for a while or make a mess. I think the one thing that everyone is forgetting is that we American's are not as stupid as the our leaders think we are. We gave the Republicans a chance and they made a mess of things but in reality we American's made the real mess becasue we did not keep them in check. That is always are responsibility not theirs so please we will change again because it is time. Once we wake up and realize that America is never really safe because we never were then and only then can we begin to free ourselves and the rest of the world from this stupid life we lead. Remeber this we have one form of government among many and ours works best for us it does not work best for others. Why is it that this administration wants to push our government on others and then in doing so destroy something that works for them. Please change yourselves first then worry about others.

If, as at least one person says. :

The Republicans have gotten us on track, than exactly what is the track? Empire? Hugh debts? Numerous deaths? I guess if your goal is to solve the world population crisis by fostering war and pestilence they have indeed succeeded! Have they caught the leadership of al Qaeda? Have they actually made good on promises made to even their supporters? Read the latest Time Magazine if you think they have.

Democrats are awful, but Republicans are worse to quote Fredrick Pohl!

MikeB :

"B' boston obviously doesn't read a whole lot. Buddhism has several branches and most of them are as primitive and coarse as Hinduism and all the rest of those nonsensical Eastern religions. Again, I emphasize, "Humanism" is an outgrowth of the Judeo-Christian view of the cosmos. It doesn't exist anywhere, in any culture, without that as a basis. And, as classical Christianity dies, Humanism will likewise die.
No, I am not a Republican. Republican's, and conservatives in general, are the antithesis of Christian and Humanist world views. As a group, they are the most immoral people I have ever encountered. I have never met even one conservative who genuinely was concerned about living in a Godly and moral manner, or evenone who was genuinely patriotic. I am, with all of its faults, a (mostly moderate) liberal, a Democrat, a patriot, and a Christian.
And, "B", for all of it's shortcomings, organized Christianity is one of the best things that has ever happened to the world. To your statement about religion being responsible for a great many deaths, I would note that official state sanctiond atheism in the 20th Century was responsible for more deaths and more harm and misery than anything previously encountered in history. Look at Stalin and Lenin before him, look at Mao Tse Dung in China and the Cultural Revolution, look at Pol Pot in Cambodia, all atheists. Then, look at Hitler to see what will fill in the void of a once Christian society. Christian's enclaves perserved the classical writing of Plato and Aristotle and all of the Greek and Latin literature that has been passed down to us (NOT Arab's, a fiction that is too often passed around). During the dark ages, when the Western World came under the control of the wealthy few -precisely as is rehappening under the neocon watch, when ignorance and slef interst reigned supreme, it was a very few church enclaves that preserved he memories of classical Greek democracy, the Roman Republic, the Arts and Sciences, everything that went into creating the modern West, Humanism, and all that we (or, perhaps, just myself and a few others) hold dear.

L . Three Rivers ,,USA :

Yes Indeed ! The Republicans have just about ran there course , there old scare tatics have just about ran out of gas , I guess most people have started to see the light , afterall who got us into this mess to begin with , of course we live in a more dangerous world today and this administration made things much worst by sticking there nose in a country they should have stayed out of , it's a dam shame were loseing our young men and womens lives over in Irag and for what , it's Definatly time for a shake up in the system , out with the old in with the new . And yes it's to dam bad some people think more about there money and the economy then they do of there own childrens lives pretty dam sad . A Democratic congress may not be the answer to all our problems but I would welcome the change , who knows just maybe something good could come out of it all .

L . Three Rivers ,,USA :

Yes Indeed ! The Republicans have just about ran there course , there old scare tatics have just about ran out of gas , I guess most people have started to see the light , afterall who got us into this mess to begin with , of course we live in a more dangerous world today and this administration made things much worst by sticking there nose in a country they should have stayed out of , it's a dam shame were loseing our young men and womens lives over in Irag and for what , it's Definatly time for a shake up in the system , out with the old in with the new . And yes it's to dam bad some people think more about there money and the economy then they do of there own childrens lives pretty dam sad . A Democratic congress may not be the answer to all our problems but I would welcome the change , who knows just maybe something good could come out of it all .

Anthony, Washington DC :

Yes, for there was a reason we (the people) did not let the Republicans have complete control of America for forty-plus years. Now we all know why, don't we? In less than a dozen years, look at what these power-hungry, "world-dominating" wanna-bees have done. 911 wasn't the catastrophic event that sent America into s tailspin. We had the support of virtually the entire world immediately following 911. No, the catastrophic event that sent America into a tailspin was the "s"election of Bush in 2000. Bush starting a war that had nothing to do with 911 has proven to be the catalyst for the downward spiral of our staure in the world. I just hope the rest of the world realizes the important difference between the Bush brethren, and America.

This adminstration has proven to be the worst in our history, bar none. What is sad is that the American people allowed themselves to be duped into not only letting them break laws to get into the White House, but to then be duped into thinking that, in a nuclear age, that a man who would sit still for twenty critical minutes (suppose enemy nukes had been in the air, rather than a few planes) would be the best leader we could have. Incompetence is one thing, at that level, a tragedy in itself. But incompetencey combined with arrogance? Folks you are talking about a huge and dangerous "mess" this group of power hungry slicksters has created.

Yes, the world will be better, even though the Dems would have to begin to clean up this quagmire Bush has left us in. And when the U.S. gets better, and returns to the principles it has at least "tried" to live by for over 240 years, correcting the bad things while nourishing the good things about us, the entire world will be better.

What principles you say? We don't attack countries that haven't attacked us - or haven't posed an legitimate, immediate threat to us. Hitler did that kind of thing, scaring the Germans into thinking countries would invade it if Germany didn't destroy them first. For Christ's sake, we had sanctions AND control of the air space over Iraq dor ten years. They posed no threat. And America doesn't torture prisoners of war, or intimidate countries into joining war coalitions.
Hey, dump these Republicans.

Anthony, Washington DC :

Yes, for there was a reason we (the people) did not let the Republicans have complete control of America for forty-plus years. Now we all know why, don't we? In less than a dozen years, look at what these power-hungry, "world-dominating" wanna-bees have done. 911 wasn't the catastrophic event that sent America into s tailspin. We had the support of virtually the entire world immediately following 911. No, the catastrophic event that sent America into a tailspin was the "s"election of Bush in 2000. Bush starting a war that had nothing to do with 911 has proven to be the catalyst for the downward spiral of our staure in the world. I just hope the rest of the world realizes the important difference between the Bush brethren, and America.

This adminstration has proven to be the worst in our history, bar none. What is sad is that the American people allowed themselves to be duped into not only letting them break laws to get into the White House, but to then be duped into thinking that, in a nuclear age, that a man who would sit still for twenty critical minutes (suppose enemy nukes had been in the air, rather than a few planes) would be the best leader we could have. Incompetence is one thing, at that level, a tragedy in itself. But incompetencey combined with arrogance? Folks you are talking about a huge and dangerous "mess" this group of power hungry slicksters has created.

Yes, the world will be better, even though the Dems would have to begin to clean up this quagmire Bush has left us in. And when the U.S. gets better, and returns to the principles it has at least "tried" to live by for over 240 years, correcting the bad things while nourishing the good things about us, the entire world will be better.

What principles you say? We don't attack countries that haven't attacked us - or haven't posed an legitimate, immediate threat to us. Hitler did that kind of thing, scaring the Germans into thinking countries would invade it if Germany didn't destroy them first. For Christ's sake, we had sanctions AND control of the air space over Iraq dor ten years. They posed no threat. And America doesn't torture prisoners of war, or intimidate countries into joining war coalitions.
Hey, dump these Republicans.

Sue Filutze, Idaho Falls, Id. USA :

Will a Democratic Congress help to change public and world opinion and change course in Washington? Who knows, all I am hoping for is to put the breaks on this out of control government. I know one thing instead of rewriting the constitution this administration will have to adhear to it, as long as we have those checks and balances. Are the Democrats any less corrupt, immoral and interested in their own power and pocketbooks? Probably not, however, I would hope that if this election brings a major change that those put into office will heed the publics crys and start doing the jobs they are elected to do rather then work 80 days a year and produce the largest deficit in history, a War without end, and the end of our rights as Americans as we have known them for over 200 years. One feels very powerless in these situations, thinking will my vote be counted or have they already taken over and corrupted our voting system. Instead of trying to bring democracy to IRAQ, maybe Bush will have to bring it back to America! Thanks Sue F

jeremy taylor, port of spain, trinidad and tobago :

I hardly know anyone who doesn't think that a Democratic administration would be good for the world at this time. Not that people are particularly in love with the Democrats: but I think we are weary, sickened, by the abrasiveness of the Bush administration, its divisiveness, its grotesque ideas about rearranging the world, its crassness, its imperial instincts, its enthusiasm for violence and force, its eagerness for war, its disdain for international treaties and organisations, its blinkered vision of how the world ought to be. Here in the Caribbean we live squarely under the shadow of the US, but the entire world is influenced by the thoughts and aspirations of the Washington establishment, and they really do make a difference far, far beyond US borders. There's not a lot of inspiration coming from the Democratic side at the moment (on Iraq or Afghanistan, on nuclear control or climate change), little sense of serious policy alternatives. But at least a Democratic administration might provide a few years with less confrontation, less bullying, less us-and-them, less fear, less apocalypse.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho:

Yes, you are correct in that my issues with israel are strictly based on "fairness." As I have mentioned in the past, I TRULY admire Israelis' courage (in the face of annihilation) and steadfastness; however that will all be for nothing, if they their actions are not conscientious. Come on, on one hand, we are demonizing Hitler (which he indeed was); yet, on the other hand, we are tolerating the abuse of Palestinians at the Israeli hands. (Palestinians are certainly also to blame.) I really would like to the moderates of Israeli and Palestinian populations to to tell their fundamentalist counterparts to take a powder.

As for Israelis' being our "friends," our friendship is based strictly on expediency. They are not interested in our national security, just because we are the good guys. We are their "sugar daddies." Israelis are some of the worst spies against our country. (I have personal experience with those people.) As regards Joe Lieberman, what else would you expect from a guys who is supported heavily by pro-Israeli lobby? (Deb Chattaerjee: Lieberman was a Democrat, and I never liked him!)

Bottom line: we must VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATES, NOT FOR THE PARTIES!

MikeB:

You have every right to believe in whatever principles (read: religious beliefs, in your case) you like and to which you adhere. What I do NOT like in your posts is the fact that you are becoming petty and narrow-minded. Perhaps, you always were, but only now is it rearing its head, much to my chagrin! You are too quick to condescend and belittle other religions, WITHOUT knowing all the facts about them. (I am surprised - actually, shocked - that you are claiming to be of Native American - Blackfoot? - descent, yet you are deigning other religions, especially without even trying to understand them.)

Furthermore, ALL religions have fanatics. You are solely focusing on the actions by those fanatics, without really understanding their fundamental teachings.

Anyway, let us get back to the ad hoc topic, if you will.

Lroger, San Antonio, Tx :

We need an old-style French revolution, Guillotine and all-parked in front of the Capitol. At the root of the decay of American values is the abominable lack of Campaign reform, which both Parties have opposed. Without it, not even a Democratic victory has any chance of stopping the rape of our Constitution by Corporate America, which now controls most of our Executive, Legislative and Judicial process. This is Corporate dictatorship by any other name. We have become a modern day Sparta-in the business of prolonging War, not ending it. Our Economy now survives only with re-supply of War materiel. Both Parties eat from the same through. However, only a democratic victory can mitigate this National disaster a bit, before the Neo-Con- military-industrial cartel pushes us into a nuclear holocaust by their endless intervention and commercial wars against foreign regimes.

Scared :

WHAT? You doubt it? Does it not occur to you that this nation is SCARED? To watch everything we have thought of ourselves melt into the hands of one crazy little limited "head of state" is frightening. Crime, particularly murder, has suddenly skyrocketed. The dread of one more blessed young American
being killed in the bloody Iraq mess. TO see American blood and money
funneled into the vile state of Israel, where we read in the Times yesterday, the military men have the right to try any female soldier they like, etc...(we protect and go to war for that?)
Like who doesn't want to try something else, anything else.
And I was a political appointee in the Reagan Bush administration...

steve, san diego :

Yes, my basic conservative friends. By basic I mean folks not zealous on a particular subject — once that occurs, love'em, but the game changes. When an administration has multiple wars going while pushing tax cuts — you lose the old fashioned conservative. Pre-emptive strikes, secret prisons, deficits.
Interestingly, while it's hard to find a real conservative, it's impossible to find a liberal. A little bit of war and a little bit of torture, and a little bit of ... does not make for liberals. If the Republicans hadn't imploded, the Dems wouldn't have a chance.

Read polls much? :

Zakaria...If I didn't trust you and your reporting as much as I do, I'd wonder at the tone of that question. Meant to rile, I perhaps, rather than sound so incredulous that dems could be better 'for the world'.
There's an underlying panic around. We aren't what we thought we were. Or how could we be slaughtering at will..how could we sit and talk about the number of killed with such dispasssion? Instead of taking to the streets or protesting as we should be doing?
Who are our youth? Who are we?

BLOOD BOIL :

See 7:41 AM Guy Benyovits. If that doesn't make your blood boil brown, nothing ever will. Most Amerians, not to mention 97% of the rest of the world, would like to see predatory, war mongering Israel bombed into rubble before it brings Amerian down. Further down.

"B" Boston :

MikeB,

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/2006/10/16/a_democratic_congress/comments.php?page=6#c723350

"B' boston obviously doesn't read a whole lot. Buddhism has several branches and most of them are as primitive and coarse as Hinduism and all the rest of those nonsensical Eastern religions."

"I am, with all of its faults, a (mostly moderate) liberal, a Democrat, a patriot, and a Christian."

Wonderful, my job is done! A mostly moderate liberal? What are you - a gay racist?!

Also, stop using the Indian numerals. Use the Roman numerals and do your engineering with them.

Lroger, San Antonio, Tx :

We need an old-style French revolution, Guillotine and all-parked in front of the Capitol. At the root of the decay of American values is the abominable lack of Campaign reform, which both Parties have opposed. Without it, not even a Democratic victory has any chance of stopping the rape of our Constitution by Corporate America, which now controls most of our Executive, Legislative and Judicial process. This is Corporate dictatorship by any other name. We have become a modern day Sparta-in the business of prolonging War, not ending it. Our Economy now survives only with re-supply of War materiel. Both Parties eat from the same through. However, only a democratic victory can mitigate this National disaster a bit, before the Neo-Con- military-industrial cartel pushes us into a nuclear holocaust by their endless intervention and commercial wars against foreign regimes.

MikeB :

Srikanth Raghunathan, Boston "B" - I am not berating all religions, but I am defending Christianity against the insults of narrow minded bigots like "B". In doing so, I am pointing out the very real fact that Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam have been responible for a share of the worlds bloodshed and misery. In fact, however, what I am trying to get across is that conservativism, or at least neo-conservativism, is essentially anti-regligious and anti-moral, wherein every man does what is right in his own eyes. I would argue that there is such a thing as an objective and universal set of moral priciples and these are things that we ought to follow and teach and expect of others. I would also argue that "Humanism" expresses many of those moral principles, but that "humanism" wouldn't exist and cannot continue to exist without it's Judeo-Christian foundation. This is not bigotry, nor is it narrow minded, it is simply the facts as I see them. Behaviors I have witnessed as a normal practice in "civilized" non-Western parts of the world are simply unacceptable to my world view and for most people in the West. I would arguem also, that the fat businessman, sitting in front of a locked warehouse of food while thousands starve to death around him is typical of the wealthy in much (most?) of the non-Western world (and this sort of behavior is and always has been unacceptable amoungst the Blackfeet and every plains band of Amercian Indian's I am aware of), BUT it is typical of and a logical consequence of neo-conservativism, also. The thrust of my argument is, then, that conservativism is simply immoral.

Liberal-For-Life, Amherst, OH, USA :

Many of my friends and my acquaintances both at work and in daily life are sick and tired of the Republicans and are planning on voting Democratic. Not all are happy with the Democrats, including myself, but who is ever happy with everything in life? The Democrats are a good alternative, and the gloom and doom forecast by the Republicans is nothing more than the usual politicking.
Its time to get America back on a moderate, middle of the road, track. Its time to be fiscally and diplomatically responsible again. The only way to do that is to elect a Democratic Congress. Democrats do not hate America, they do not want to allow terrorists to hurt Americans, they are not the spineless wimps that Republicans love to call them. Democrats love this country as much if not more than Republicans, the proof is in the Democratic opposition to the facist laws passed by a Repulican majority that allow the President to assume dictatorial powers at will. There is no need for this law, no need at all. There are more than enough laws on the books to prosecute any and all terrorists.
Republicans love to say that Democrats love taxes, the higher the better, yet Republicans cut taxes without any thought to the consequences: in six years, our national deficit has doubled. Reagan started the rampant deficits, Clinton tried to restore sanity to the budget, and Bush and his party have destroyed the finanical solvency of our country. Do Republicans think that the debts we owe to the rest of the world will never have to be repaid? Do they think that we can just default like Argentina and not have to pay the consequences? Who do they think is going to repay the debts they have run up over the last six years? Their rich uncles? Every dollar of debt payment is a dollar less we have to spend on education, roads, intrastructure, and so on. We are improverishing ourselves, but those who benefited the most from the Bush tax cuts will not pay, only the middle class and the poor. Of course the Democrats will have to raise taxes, the Republicans will have left them no recourse.
I can't believe the people who say they don't care what the rest of the world thinks or don't care how our actions affect the rest of the world...when 94% of our clothing is made overseas, and 90% of our electronics, and most of everything else we buy every day, when the rest of the world hates us and decides not to do business with us, how are we going to live?
I won't even get into the idiotic war, the botched foreign policy, and the rest.

MikeB :

And...for Boston "B" a brief, all too brief, education. The origins of our "alphabet" are Etruscan/Latin. I would refer you to this web site:
http://phoenicia.org/alphabet.html

A history of numbers is here:
http://www.math.byu.edu/~jvogler/history_numbers.html

There is one error in the second article. The concepts of zero and of irrational numbers existed in ancient Greece and are likely a classical Greek invention, as was the base 10 number system. The Greek's discovered irrational numbers when try to find the value of PI and the square root of 2. See Bertrand Russell's History Of Western Philosophy for an excellent overview of ancient Greek discoveries and inventions.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

MikeB:

Numerals:

Unfortunately, you have, in your hurry (perhaps, conveniently?), ignored what your own citation - http://www.math.byu.edu/~jvogler/history_numbers.html - states at the very end under "Arabic."

The numerals 0 through 9 indeed originated in India (or Sindh, as it was called, then). The weights and measures were standardized by Arabs after they began trading with Dravidians (Australoid peoples of Southern India).

Language:

The English language is a conflation of various languages and a derivative of the Indo-European languanges. Most of the modern languages can trace their origins to this group. However, Dravidian languages, among others, do not.

Also, if you are interested, you can catch the show "What the Ancients Knew" on the Discovery Science Channel on November 06, 2006 at 22:00 hours Eastern/Pacific; this episode is specifically on India. Here is the quote of the synopsis of the show:

"India

Long before the Western world was known, India provided the world with its riches. However, India's invaluable contributions to science and technology have all too often been overlooked. Few know how profoundly India has shaped the modern world."

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Srikanth Raghunathan wrote:

"You are exactly what I said earlier - a ranting, raving, wild, lunatically misguided Republican without any common sense (or cause, for that matter) and does not even want to read and understand what other persons are saying. I bet that you like to hear yourself making speeches, all the time! However, you are entitled to being one, as a citizen of this country."

Gosh ! I have finally found my emulator/clone !

buddhism is a science of cognition, not a religion... :

unless it is practiced by dogmatics that afflict all orders where _some_ practioners have small mental capacity and become more satisfied with

appearance over substance.

religion _by_definition_ is about dogmatics and ritual, not intellect and insight.

in christianity only the priesthood has mysticism as a tenet, and then only within Catholicism is any credence giving to siddhis, however Catholicism is the basis of all modern day christianity, and holds the patent by fiat and force.....see "conspiracy" for further information.

buddhist tenets see siddhis' as being impediments on the path...

although in some cases they are unavoidable, like farting.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

Deb Chatterjee, USA:

Ha, ha, ha! So, you are the prototype, huh?

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

MikeB wrote:

"In doing so, I am pointing out the very real fact that Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam have been responible for a share of the worlds bloodshed and misery."

This is a clear example of rectal-cranial inversion, Mike. Can you cite any factual evidences, that one can independently verify, or is this some bigoted racist hatred ?

Hey, are you OK ? Are you going to vote in 2006 and 2008 ? How many fingers do you have ? Can you spell your name correctly and count ?

some pertinent examples of farting.. :

curry flavored.

BobL-VA :

To: MK Berry

Yes, our party is doubling each day. By the 2008 elections every man woman and child on this planet will be affiliated with us. I'd like to put forth the nomination of George Washington for the Amused Party's candidate. I know he's dead, but the Constitution just says a person must be over 35 to hold office. It doesn't say they still have to be alive. (if he dies in office then power has to transfer, but the constitution never envisioned swearing in a person already deceased)

This will allow our nation to chill out and re-examine our roots. No press conferences, no legislation, no national bickering. Just four years of gratitude and reflection. (nobody wants to pick on the father of our country)

Ah, I'm getting ahead of myself. We have to prove we can sustain doubling our membership each day.

Your last post was well written and thoughtful. Your point on the concept of a national debate is exactly what this mid-term election is all about. I can not speak for the country, but I know I want consensus's on issues like torture, the Geneva Conventions, the rights of Americans to be free of unwarranted searches and indefinite detentions. I want a meeting of the minds on homeland security, on military actions overseas and on how to conduct ourselves internationally. I want a national debate on a universal health care system for the American people, immigration (legal and illegal) and Social Security.

I haven't seen a national debate since Clinton left office. I really miss meaningful debates. They don't exist any longer. I want them back. That's what this mid-term election is about.

I have no illusions a democratic controlled house/senate will produce the national debates we deserve. However, they will be a step in that direction. They would also be able to check the unilateral use of power that exists today.

If the democrats don't gain control of a chamber of congress I'll be disappointed for the reasons I've stated above. However, I won't be downloading IED's from the internet. I know in 2 more years there will be another opportunity to vote for people who believe as I do.

I'll leave you with this to ponder. Two tigers met in the jungle one day and decided to go hunting together. As they are walking single file through the forest the tiger in the back leans forward and licks the backside of the tiger in front. The tiger in front turns around and says, "what did you do that for?" The trailing tiger says, "I'm sorry, but I ate a politican yesterday and I just can't get the taste out of my mouth!"

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C. USA :

M. K. Berry, Bethesda:

BobL, VA:

Count me in! -:)

Glenn C. Rhoads, Highland Park, U.S. :

My original post (so you can see the context)

I know two countries who would welcome a democratic Congress,
Iran and North Korea. Does anybody think it is mere coincidence
that three weeks before the U.S. election, North Korea belligerently
decides to violate U.N. sanctions by conducting Nuclear Tests and
Iran increases its supplies to the Iraqi terrorists to ratchet up
the violence in Iraq? It should be obvious that they want the Bush
administration to look bad in order to influence the election and
get a democratic Congress.

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Complete responds interspersed with my comments.

"I know two countries who would welcome a democratic Congress,
Iran and North Korea"

>No country has benifitted more from the last 6 years of republican
>incompetence than Iran. Why would they want a change?

Obviously they think the democrats would be softer on terrorism
and given the rhetoric, they are probably right. The "cut and run"
and "appeasement" politicians are almost exclusively members of the
democratic party.

>All of our enemies love Bush and the republicans.

That statement flies in the face of all the available evidence.

It is better to base your opinions on facts and evidence instead
of theory. While theories are useful and nice to have, even the
best of theories can sometimes lead you astray. Facts don't.
This requires getting used to sometimes concluding things that
you wish weren't true but that seems a small price to pay for
being correct much more often. This reasoning flaw is all too
common. Maybe you are doing this, maybe not; I don't have
enough evidence to make any conclusion.

> Why do you think OBL drops a scary video every election?
> Who do you think that benefits?

Actually, he released a video just prior to only one election,
the one in 1994 (in 92, he had recently fled from Afghanistan
so he is likely to have been occupied with other matters such
as ensuring his safety and rebuilding his organization.).

The reason he released his video just prior to the election is
the same as North Korea's reason for acting up just prior to
the election; to make Bush administration look bad so as to
increase the chances of getting a Congress that is opposed to
Bush's policies on fighting radical islamic terrorists. This
is clear from the content his video; he threatened that there
would be more attacks on U.S. soil if Bush was reelected. I
do agree that his threat backfired and probably helped Bush.
It will be interesting to see if Bin Laden learned from this
mistake and not put forth another similar video this time, or
whether he is so consumed by hate and ideology that he does it
again. His thinking is so warped that I can't even begin to get
inside his mind so I won't be making any predictions.

On the question of what it would mean for the next two years
if the Democrats gained control of say the House but not the
Senate. Based on what we've seen the past six years, what
would happen is that the Democrats would reflexively oppose
every policy of Bush whether they agreed with it or not and
without offering any counter policy, resulting in complete
legislative stalemate where nothing gets done. Furthermore,
the Democratic leadership would attempt to start criminal
investigations over issues where there is a real policy
disagreement(*1*) (such as the Iraq war).

Don't get me wrong. I would welcome a good responsible
opposition party. I believe that would good for the country
but unfortunately the current crop of Democratic leaders are
not it. I hope I wrong about this but I don't think so.

(*1*) Of course if policy differences were a valid reason for
impeachment, then we would have to impeach *every* politician
in the country at every level. The only valid reason for
impeaching a politician is for committing crimes and despite
the vitriolic rhetoric of some, Bush has committed no crime.

Dave in New Mexico :

Anything would be better than these self-serving idiots. If they would respect the idea that everybody could be benefited by good government they might have gotten somewhere. Instead they have embraced the rule of government as a way to enrich the already rich, to keep us in perpetual war and fear, and to subvert the Constitution. The last is in part because they worship power for itself.

that is the stupidest thing _I've_ EVER HEARD! :

mr. paid obfuscator, Glenn C. Rhoads, Highland Park, U.S. sayz:
"
Bush has committed no crime...
"

what do you call starting a ?war? on false pretense?

what do you call having a hidden agenda, PNAC?

what do you call signing anything placed in front of him that benefits his cronies?

are you even paying attention or are you playing the curtain in the Wizard of Oz drama?

get out of the way and shut up.

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arrest the Executive Branch and Complicit Congress.

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do the crime, do the time...............now!

MikeB :

Deb Chatterjee, Srikanth Raghunathan, "B",
"In doing so, I am pointing out the very real fact that Buddhism and Hinduism and Islam have been responible for a share of the worlds bloodshed and misery."

This is a clear example of rectal-cranial inversion, Mike. Can you cite any factual evidences, that one can independently verify, or is this some bigoted racist hatred ? "

You are obviouly living in a cave somewhere if you haven't read about the violence recently being committed by Islamic groups. We can go back in history to the founding days of this religion and read about the slaughter of the Jews in Medina, thewholesale extermination of entire populations when the Ottoman Armies conquered the Eastern Roman Empire and Contentinople. For Hindu artrocities you need look no farther than yesterday's newspaper to see Hindu mobs burning trains and killing whole communtities of Muslems and raping and murdering Muslim women. Look at India's Hindu based caste system. Read the recent National Geographic story about how "untouchable" families are murdered for moving into a wrong neighborhood, or sending their children to a "reserved" "public" school. There are stories of some Hindu sects still practicing human sacrifice, for gods sake. As for Buddhism, read about Burma and the officially sanctioned Buuddhist Army's atrocities against the Christian Karin people - http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=396)
or from our own Department of State:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2001/index.cfm?docid=5581

And, finally, Srikanth Raghunathan's exercise in misquotes is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty that is beneith you! For number, and especially for zero the site states: "origins of Arabic numerals are obscure and much disputed" and "zero came later, perhaps around A.D. 500, and it may have developed from a dot inserted to indicate a blank space". India didn't even have the concept of zero until much later than that AND Bertrand Russell and other expert mathematicians and historians have long claimed that the concept of zero came from Greece and can be traced back to about 500 B.C. The linguistic traces for Western European languages was pretty straight foreward. It goes Proto-Canaanite, in a straight line to Phenecian to Etruscan/Latin to Western. Sandscript and Ugaritic languages are an early and completely separate offshoot. The next time you decide to post a response to something, please read the citation before setting youre fingers to the keyboard.

All of you are overly enamoured of Eastern culture and I strongly suggest you move there and live amoungst the natives for a while before inflicting your truely profound ignorance on the rest of us. India is NOT a nice place to live. It has very little in common with Western culture, has contributed (thank God!) almost nothing to Western culture beyond a few itinerate "holy men" cum con artist, swindling ignorant Westerners out of their money. And, gosh, does saying this make me a racist? I am simply stating a fact. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the ethnicity of Indian or any other people, but it most certainly IS a broadside fired at their corrupt and backward culture.

pacumis fairfax virginia :

Lest anyone give too much credit to the erudite-sounding lefties and their references to "Neo-Cons", behind closed doors they're called Jews. George Bush may have a few around, but he's not one of 'em.

:

"And, gosh, does saying this make me a racist?"

Yes, it does. Ignorant too, and wrong.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

MikeB wrote:

"For Hindu artrocities you need look no farther than yesterday's newspaper to see Hindu mobs burning trains and killing whole communtities of Muslems and raping and murdering Muslim women. Look at India's Hindu based caste system. Read the recent National Geographic story about how "untouchable" families are murdered for moving into a wrong neighborhood, or sending their children to a "reserved" "public" school. There are stories of some Hindu sects still practicing human sacrifice, for gods sake."

Mike, you are full of sh*%. Blaming Hinduism (whatever that means to you), is like blaming Jesus Christ's teachings (which is an integral part of Christianity) for crimes of genocide committed by Adolf Hitler and Slobodan Milosevic. For comparison, how would USA react if today the Spanish-speaking (Latinos) Americans in California staged violent protests demanding California separate and merge with Mexico simply because of cultural and linguistic affinity ? Why then blame Hindu-Muslim conflict, when you have similar troubles inside USA ?

On a somewhat separate note, Hindus have had a collective memory on the history of the atrocities committed against their state and the people themselves. The Kashmir militancy (Islamic) and other Islamic wrongdoings (over several centuries) have not been fully erased from the majority collective (Hindu) psyche. To top it all, even today the Indian Govt. does give out Federal revenues to Muslims for their annual pilgrimage.

On the caste issue, again while politics in India is caste based (in some parts), I would assert that the similar inequities exist in USA. A foreign-born US citizen cannot legally be President of USA. (Tom Lantos [D-CA] and Arnold Schwartznegger [R-CA] are ones to have their chances taken out.) Should I then be wrong to say that Americanism is essentially racist - by the same token of your caste comparison ? At least in India, presently, all three important persons (President, Prime Minister, Leader of Majority) Prof. Samuel P. Huntington has admitted to the tolerance of the Hinduism and Hindu culture/civilization in his book while still acknowledging the deep Hindu-Muslim communal divide. So, why would Hindus be unfairly singled out even when USA does have similar inequities ? Or, is it like all else being equal you can smoke, but others cannot ?

M.K. Berry, Bethesda :

To Thom: Of course there’s a spot for you – to be Amused is to be part of a voluntary association of free people. As for a mascot, I’m more partial to the carton janitor who sweeps up after the parade in the Rocky & Bullwinkle ‘Fractured Fairy Tales’ intro (yes, I’m that old). While the Amused Party cheerfully accepts all cynics, you must first however purge yourself of all the false perceptions that keep you from seeing the world as it is. Specifically – despite having made a career out of trying, Mark Russell CANNOT write a song. CAN. NOT.

To Sri: You’re in as long as you want to be in (see above) – you count as #4.

To bobL: We’ve done it - reached our non-recruitment goal of doubling membership every day. I have a slightly different thought about a Party candidate to run in all local, State, and Federal elections: ‘None of the Above.’ If NOTA receives a plurality of the vote, the office remains vacant for the next term. This would have two salutary effects. First, it would give the voting public a chance to determine if the office is really necessary – if you don’t miss it, you probably don’t need it. Second, think how deflating it would be to ______ (insert the name of your favorite, too-self-important politico) to be beaten, not by another politician, but by a literal nobody. I think it would be good for the national political health.

Finally – the national debate you long for is here – right here (and it does not smell of sulfur). For all its looseness, and wordiness, and occasional outright weirdness, those who want a serious debate on the issues can do so here. Thank you, David and Fareed for the opportunity – hope we don’t blow it…

M.K. Berry, Bethesda :

To Srikanth: Please accept my apologies for shortening your name in my last post. I was working on that off-line and was unsure how your name was spelled. I meant to look it up and correct it before I submitted, but I didn’t. I hope I didn’t cause any offence, I assure you that was inadvertent. Again, my apologies…

Shiloh :

Like most too long blogs, this one has deteriorated to internecine warfare, amusement as alternative, and other manifestations of boredom.

It is now generally accepted that Iraq is a dead issue, a failure at promoting democracy, a lost cause. Only "saving face" remains.

This mid-term election has reached the point of postulating that the announcement of a death sentence for Saddam (who had nothing to do with 9-11 or al Qaeda) on November 5th will cause resurgence of Republican Party support.

How sad it is that a foolish invasion may end in a foolish attempt to snatch political party victory from the jaws of certain defeat.

A Democratic party win would tell the world that democracy can triumph through the electorate. A loss will further degrade the principles of democracy by telling the world that democracy capitulates to demagoguery. Oh, Brave New World.

actually, I've heard that the Navy may have sailed to Iran... :

and is waiting to have a National Incident spontaneously erupt in time to save the

president and executive branch as well as complicit congress from going into the hoose !gow........

and making George W. Bush president for life........as a way of fininshing off the new federalization of the government and installing fascism as a way of life inthe United States of BS_as_a_wayO_life.

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Shiloh :

The Navy of Iran, along with that of Afghanistan, would blockade any such effort to shore up a failing administration and congress.

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To Srikanth Raghunathan

1. Kind of ironic (but also misguided) to use Hitler comparatively with the Israeli treatment of Palistinians...

2. Joe Lieberman has been ostrasized by his own party because of his stance on Iraq. You talk about the Jewish lobby. So what? Did Lieberman do something illegal? Regardless of the lobby (and there is a lobby for everything including a Jewish peace lobby) could his stance on Iraq not reflect the courage of his convictions? At any rate, the Democrats will display the courage of their convictions as they woo him back into the party (after his re-election) because he is a vote you know.

BobL-VA :

Tom Wonacott,

Lieberman didn't do anything illegal. He simply lost a primary for a variety of reasons which include being out of step with his constituents and out of step with his party. I hope he wins as an independent. I wish there were more of them. Anyway, most observers believe he will still caucus with the Democrats if he wins.

Courage of convictions is a cheap shot. Every politican, whether democrat or republican, is allowed to have their own convictions. However, they understand they represent the convictions of their constituents. That's their job. If they want to take a stand that isn't supported by the majority of their constituents they always run the risk of not being able to win a race. In this case Lieberman believed in the war in Iraq and the majority of his constituents didn't believe in it. There is nothing sinister about what happened to Joe Lieberman. He's a good man and we'll see if the majority of the Connecticut voters want him to represent them come November.

Also, it's really nice to hear a republican and/or conservative concerned about Joe. There's hope for you yet.

"B"boston :

Srikanth and Deb,

I believe the job is already done to expose a raving idiot.

How much better can you get than this gem of a proof:

"B' boston obviously doesn't read a whole lot. Buddhism has several branches and most of them are as primitive and coarse as Hinduism and all the rest of those nonsensical Eastern religions."

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

MikeB:

I give up. One can only take a horse to the water, but cannot make it drink. Please have an open mind. (By the way, do try to watch that program on Discovery Science Channel.)

M. K. Berry:

Thank you!! Glad to be #4. As reagrds shortening my name, no offense taken - none, really! (I have been called worse names!) By the way, I noticed a tinge of "English" spelling in the "offence." Was that intentional, or involuntary?

Tom Wonacott, Boise, ID:

No, there is nothing wrong in being supported by lobbies. It is just that I, personally, would take anything one (especially, when having been funded by lobbyists) says on their behalf with a grain of salt.

By the way, would you like to know what I call lobbying? Glorified corruption! No matter, corruption is like gun oil, you really do need a little bit to keep the gun from rusting, but too much oil would cause the gun to misfire!

Tom wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

Howdy BobL

"As regards Joe Lieberman, what else would you expect from a guys who is supported heavily by pro-Israeli lobby?"

I was just answering Srikanth's post, which went back to a previous post of mine. The voters had their own convictions! Now I am sure YOU would agree, they are not always right.

Seems to me, several of you are forming an online club via the forum.
This forum is interesting and occasionally people get a little charged. Politics.

daniel :

If all the posts here are reflective of the even greater chaos of the world itself a bit of resignation and humility and hope is in order. It seems no matter how we vote that the world just runs itself. Humans can make a difference, but it seems the big difference we should hope we can make is that we simply keep from destroying ourselves totally by WMD and /or destruction of the environment.

It seems we all will have to tolerate our precious views just going up in smoke as the world just rolls forward and leaves us all behind—and no doubt in rolling forward the process will be more violent than we care to imagine. But just as long as the human race endures somehow, that somehow, somewhere civilization relatively endures...

Of course if violence can be kept to a minimum...But no doubt hating cultures different from our own, protesting this or that change in our lives, adds nothing...but more violence.

We all have to get used to transformation, peoples mixing, different foods and music being created, our children looking nothing like ourselves. We have to get used to this violence of transformation because to reject it is to enter the realm of true violence...

But we reject the mixing and try to keep things separate because we believe the mixing is a violence which will destroy all of us...

The question is which will destroy us more: the mixing of ourselves with other peoples, the eating of strange foods, the listening to strange musics, or the attempt to keep ourselves separate and define ourselves against others?

What we do know is that we will mix and lose ourselves in others and strange cultures—it is useless to protest it. The best we can hope for is that we can control it enough to where WMD, environmental destruction, etc. does not get out of hand.

But to protest too much is to be the death of us all.

We should hope for politicians that do not protest too much and can guide us toward what really we have no choice but to become.

And what that is we should hope is something larger than current man.

AK, Boca Raton, Florida :

If the Democrats win control of Congress look for all the amoral warnings of the past about Democrats to come to pass:

* sexual exploitation of the pages
* homosexuals in key staff positions, probably even on committees meant to protect children from sexual predators
* taking bribes from lobbyists
* running up the national debt by over $3TRIILION and then claiming fiscal victory when deficits are running $250BILLION a year.
* passing more socialized medicine entitlements that bankrupt the country

plus many other homosexual agenda, wanton fiscal malfeasance, and nanny state initiatives.

Plus their Godless.

Don't come crying to me when it happens.

elizabeth, ma.,usa :

I want to punish the neocons beginning with Bush if the Dems get in...I feel they ruined our country and that it will take a real
spotlight on their lies and hubris to gather the energy to start
anew...Karl Rove has no relationship to truth and justice....only power...he has a way with words and lies and distorts and leaves things out...I want to give him a reality slap with this election...he can't easily steal it electronically because we're all watching so closely....neocons be gone ...they're not even Republicans for god's sake , they're clearly fascists

Shervin, San Carlos, US :

As much as I dislike the Bush adminstration and its policies and current crop of Repulicans in Congress, I think the Democrats would make things worse.

From an international point of view, there is no way that a Democratic Congress will reign in Israel given how the Jewish vote typically goes in the US. The only thing that the Democrats could do is to make the US withdraw from Iraq without any planning for what would happen after the US withdraws. If anyone has been listening to Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, they would know that they have a firm belief that if they kill enough Americans, they would eventaully give up the fight and leave. That is what happenned in Lebonan and that is what happenned is Somalia. If the US leaves Iraq without leaving at least a pro-US government that would crack down on the al Qaeda in Iraq, then I predict that wave after wave of terrorism will sweep the western world. With the Arab street encroaching onto the European street, it would be naive to think that Islamic radicalism would be content with just getting US out of Iraq. Next will be attacks on Europeans and we would have incidents similar to the Madrid metro bombings and London attacks on 07/07/05. Ironically, if the US withdraws prematurely from Iraq, Europe will be in greater danger from radical Islamic terrorists than the US because of their more racist and xenophobic attitude towards muslims.

Iraq offers us with nothing but bad choices and the worst choice possible is to withdraw without any planning for what will come in after the US leaves. The US screwed up after the invasion because it did not have a plan. Withdrawing without a plan would be just as bad.

Cyberman USA :

Don't forget the Republican's control the supreme court, the senate the white house and the U.S. house. If they lose the house and maybe the senate they still control the supreme court and the Penn. avenue estate. This is as the founders designed.

This is also lamentable because if you are labeled a so called enemy combatant under the latest 2006 act you too can be among the disappearos, with punishment delivered by bush's DOD and CIA boys either in the form of electronic prods or find yourself buried forever without benefit of habeas corpus. Just who are the enemy combatants? The unjustly accused including those who do not support the administration a la the scholar called Woodrow Wilson? Ever hear of the Enabling Act?

Yes citizen as John Wayne used to say, it could happen to you. Whether you were born in New York City or Albuquerque you are now more than ever bereft of the basic civil rights which were, in our fleeting and wonderful past, simply integral to the formation and maintenance of this former democracy.

And with a democratic house and even senate will we be miraculously visited with the america as we used to know and defend prior to the holy grail of mercantilism having become one of the two exclusive drivers of this country at the governance level (and the other being the purposeful relentless and reckless destruction of the aforementioned and now little lamented rights we used to have until republicans and democrats alike gradually took them including their joint actions of 6 weeks ago)?

And the bickering, political sloganeering, (cut and run, common good etc.) and emotion driven analysis represented by some participants (perhaps myself included) in this blog (and the national debate as well) is just symptomatic that something is very wrong. I am not capable of ferreting out what it is or, of course, what to do about it. But just electing democrats may not do it.

I, a former optimist believed in the innate good in america and the basic judgment that an informed citizenry is critical to a democracy. And being so informed the citizenry could be relied upon to make the right choices. I admit I lack the perspicacity to see the light at the end of the U.S. tunnel whether the republicans or the democrats succeed in garnering the winning number of votes in a few weeks, a few months or a few years. Will regaining our former moral, fiscal, military eminence as well as international reputation and national self confidence require, as one blooger said, following the advice of Jefferson? Madame de Farge are you around the corner?

Michael :

Can they be any worse?

Phil, Freeville, USA :

Only hard-core, right-wing Republicans (and hard-core, right-wing Israelis) still support the agressive and counterproductive Bush foreign policy. Only those mentioned above still support his wars, his plans to enhance America's nuclear weapons, his unstated yet obvious plans to weaponize space, his assaults on the environment, liberty, and the Constitution. In short, this is a silly question.

Do I know anyone who thinks more of the Bush regime would be better for the world? No.

I've been cataloging his errors for five years. See the results at www.thousandreasons.org

ScorpioGregg :

I know there are a lot of Left-leaning Democrats who crave a return to power and they feel they have a lot of scores to settle ("make things right" as they say it). I don't trust the Republicans anymore, but the Democrats scare me. Someone posted that the Democrats will return things to the center. Well, they might do that temporarily, on their way to the far Left. Look at who is in power postions for them, and they are anything but "center". I fear the Democrats will do what they did before: be the party of scandal, corruption, etc. like the Republicans are now.

Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Walt, Dunkirk, MD, USA :

No, not if the Democratic Party is run by the left-wing, nut-case fringe of the party.

DJST, Bucharest, Romania :

Come on you're kidding, right?

Jesus, I'm currently living in the most pro-American country on earth (Romania) and even here everyone loathes this administration. This GOP controlled Congress has quite simply been the most corrupt, least patriotic, (that is if you define patriotism by doing good deeds unto the nation and not by furiously waving the flag while looting the national treasury) and has tarnished our country's image in the extreme. That a Democratic Congress would embolden our enemies is laughable. Simple questions - are our enemies stronger or weaker than they were six years ago? Are Americans more respected or less? Is the nation on a higher moral and political ground or lower. The world and most Americans desperately await change.

Stevethe humble Lebanon USA :

It's likely most people everywhere would be better off if we had a Democratic Congress. Even if the Democrats have no "plan" as some assert (which I don't believe true), that is far preferable to the crazy ass "plan" this Republican Whitehouse and Congress have been implementing.
Think.

Ramona, Oceanside, CA :

US politicians ARE NOT ACTING IN THE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. They are acting in the interests of global corporations, and to the extreme detriment of everyone else on the planet.

My husband, Mike Byron, has a new book now available online from book distributors which explains the links between peak oil, political corruption, globalization, global warming, dangerous weather, creeping global fascism, and religious fundamentalism.

It is a wake-up call for the human race.

The book is "Infinity's Rainbow: The Politics of Energy, Climate and Globalization." His webpage is http://www.michaelpbyron.com/

This is a very important book. You will literally feel the scales falling from your eyes.

Paula Parrish, Bradenton, FL, USA :

YES! How could they POSSIBLY be any worse than the Republlicans at this point???

Karl Rove, Washington DC :

I'm really terrified the Dems will bring peace and prosperity back to the country.

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To Shervin, San Carlos, US | Permalink

"Iraq offers us with nothing but bad choices and the worst choice possible is to withdraw without any planning for what will come in after the US leaves. The US screwed up after the invasion because it did not have a plan. Withdrawing without a plan would be just as bad."

Agreed.

To Cyberman

The real threats to your rights come from radical Islam:

1. Theo Van Gogh murdered by a Muslim because he was a crtic of Islam

2. Canceled play in Germany due to Muslim threats over beheading of Muhammad.

3. Danish cartoons cause rioting around the world. The New York Times did not have the courage to publish the cartoons.

4. Speech by Pope Causes rioting in which a nun was killed.

5. Salmon Rushdie received a fatwa on his life because of his book "Satanic Verses".

Etc., Etc.

Freedom of speech is under assault and the threat is growing.

You write:

"...Just who are the enemy combatants? The unjustly accused including those who do not support the administration...

and,

...emotion driven analysis represented by some participants (perhaps myself included)..."

Perhaps.

Karl Rove, Washington DC :

I agree too. By far the best plan is to hang around a few more years (OK months), get thousands more American troops and Iraqis killed, and then get driven out by force.

Bonus note:
I always liked this one - "2. Canceled play in Germany due to Muslim threats over beheading of Muhammad." - because I'm sure that play about the beheading of Jesus would play without a hitch in Alabamastan.

MikeB :

Srikanth and Deb, "B" Boston - I guess I'm thinking right when I've managed to tick off such a group of diseparate thinkers. "B" you are an idiot. Pray tell, what is wrong with the statement that Hinduism and Buddhism have seveal branches? Perhaps the words are too big? Do you need a dictionary? Or, are you so ignborant that you don't understand that there are branches of Buddhism that believe in a supreme being, branches that do not. What seems to me to be central to them all is the self centeredness of it as a belief system. It's all about "me", which apparently suits you and Deb to a "t" - you being an obvious right wing lunatic and Deb likely being the wife of an Indian "guest worker". What I fail to understand, though is Srikanth. Now, liberals (as opposed to Naderite twits) are supposed to stand up for workers and labor and I simply cannot understand how anyone can fail to understand that globalization, guest wrkers, illegal immigrants, and related parasites are harmful to labor and to workers. Or, do you now go along with B's paranoid delusions about line workers only working 2 hours a day and getting paid $100,000 a year? And, do you actually buy the nonsense from our Indian friend about Hindu violence directed against the Muslim minority in India is both somehow deserved and related to past in sults or whatever on the part of the Muslims? What is the this, the Hatfields and the McCoys write large on the Indian subcontinent? Give me a break! If India hadn't grabbed the rich farmland of Kashmir and along with it all of those Muslim minorities and, then, treated them in the most beastly manner imaginable, much of what we know of as Islamic extremism wouldn't even exist today. Ansr Al Islam, the movement which led to Al Qaida, *was* an Indian group that go their start reacting to Hindu atrocities directed against Muslims in India. So, to my mind, a large part, a very large part, of the curent problems of the world, can be laid on India's doorstep and their silly religion.

Vedapushpa-Bangalore-India :

No - the Democrats of the US of the day are neither idologically nor structurally the same as they were - decades ago.
In the name of liberalism they seem to have licensed themselves with ideas and ideologies of all sorts of so called 'indidvidual rights' - like gay-abortion rights for instance - which claim for the idividual or some particular individuals 'freedom to behave any way they want' without any 'role-logic' - meaning accountability to the other persons and the social units like family - county - city IN TERMS OF A FUNCTIONAL ROLE.

Say for instance - "Abortion does touch upon the 'mother' in a psycho-social functional way as affecting many others - and it is a shere 'fiction' to treat it as a 'right' just to make thing easier for others...

Democracrat and Republican cant possibly be having very diverse foreign policy or trade agreement preferences - as the 'good of the people and the Nation' has to be the decideing factor... or else we will be having only verbiage for a political dialugues and fights for debates....

Polity has necessarily to be defined in a more meaningfully functional terms the world over - We cant afford to fool around with obsolete..'lobbylike ideologies' and trivialise politics any further!

Vedapushpa

Karl Rove, Washington DC :

"Gay abortion rights" - Hey, the Big K likes that.
But isn't that sort of like ordering a "masala, curry, vindaloo?"

Tom wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To PostGlobal

The article in the Washington Times written by Norman J Kurtz ("...formerly Sen. Joe Biden's communications director and spokesman for Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee...")is a good example of what separates Democrat and Republican thinking on foreign policy.

Kurz suggest Israel was not prepared for the war in Lebanon because too many resources were tied up in the occupation of the West Bank. While that may be partly true, events of 2006 make the withdrawal from the West Bank impossible.

In May of 2000, Israel withdrew from Lebanon. In September of 2005, Israel completed the withdrawal from Gaza. In 2006, Israel was rewarded for its actions when both of these areas were used as staging grounds to attack Israel. Giving back the two areas did not convince the terrorist organizations that Israel was acting in good faith. In fact, they considered the withdrawal by Israel as victories, and they were emboldened to attack.

Israel has been backed into a corner. They cannot withdraw from the West Bank because they understand Hamas and Hezbollah will interpret additional concessions as a weakening of Israeli will, and will only embolden them further. The acquisition of the West Bank is only part of the prize. The ultimate goal is Israel, since Hamas and Hezbollah do not recognize Israeli's right to exist.

Kurz's suggestion will only increase the danger to Israel now. Israel made the first mistake, but following Kurz's suggestion would be the second. Peace will not be achieved through weakness.

Katherine :

Democrats controlled the U.S. Congress for all but 4 years between 1934 and 1994- half of this time with a Republican in the White House- and the world was a better place. Starting in 1994 when Republicans took control of the Congress, this paradigm was reversed and with Bush at the helm, our country has been thrown into chaos. Bush stuck a finger in the eye of his father, who is starting to look like a respectable president compared with his son.
Until the Republicans purge the neo-con elements from their party and loosen the grip of the religious right on their policies, Republicans deo not deserve the support and confidence of the American people. Democrats will restore much needed equilibrium to the country and respect from the rest of the world. They care about respect for institutions and values greater than themselves.

Terry, Garner, USA :

As David from Grand Rapids points out, the Republicans are "serious about the serious stuff". Unfortunately, for the Republicans, the "serious stuff" appears to be making money for themselves and their closest friends. The War on Terror appears to be little more than the war to make rich Republicans richer. How much will each member of the administration make on the "tax breaks" for the rich strategy? Is there any policy that this government has addressed that hasn't made Republicans more money, much of it on borrowed money. I worked as a DOD contractor in the Washington DC area and finally left after finding myself unable to live with the corruption I saw around me on a daily basis.

Will the Democrats be any better? I find it hard to believe they could be worse, or that anyone could be worse. As my father, a retired teacher and a Republican, likes to point out, the Bush administration is the best proof we have so far of the failure of the American Educational System. I think there is much truth to this argument. How many countries can point proudly to a population where over half don't believe in evolution and think global warming is a lie. So, maybe Republicans just represent these intellectually challenged voters better than the Democrats.

Hopefully, we will see some change with a Democratic takeover. Given the population of people our government represents, I have a limited level of optimism.

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

Karl Rove, Washington DC | Permalink

"Bonus note:
I always liked this one - "2. Canceled play in Germany due to Muslim threats over beheading of Muhammad." - because I'm sure that play about the beheading of Jesus would play without a hitch in Alabamastan."

It may not play without a hitch, but it would play without murder. The last time I checked, we have the right to protest. Remember? If you don't understand the difference, just ask your professor.

Karl Rove, Washington DC :

My arse you have a right to protest! We didn't just have a spineless congress waive your habeas rights for nothing you know.

MikeB :

I want it noted here that the most rabid supporters of Bush appear to be Indian and orher foreign interests that gain from his lunatic globalization schemes. An Indian, Vedapushpa of Bangalore, India, "Deb" , and others. They are obviously comfortable with their caste system and the new one being implemented by the Republican's. And, why not! They are on top. I just hope that the Democrats have enough brains to see this for what it is, an international fight over the U.S. economy. On the one side, those who would gladly sell or take American jobs and America's security and technological superiority and, on the other, American working men and women,who are loosing their jobs and their country to these parasites. It's time to end the H1B VISA'S and the like and send these people home. It's time to tax the snot out of companies that offshore jobs. It's time to make the investors and bankers who cheer this disater on, seeing only short term profits, and willingly selling this country off to make a buck. It's time to force public schools, and especially engineering and science prorams, to take qualified American students before *any* foreign sudents. And, it's time, way past time, to ensure that American's get jobs created by corporations that are the benefactors of the country, not cheap foreign labor.

Mike, Washington, DC :

As the posts make clear, there is something sad about the state of liberalism and the Democratic party in America. It's rabid, irrational and hostile tone drowns out any valuable and constructive discussion. Taking over the House (and perhaps the Senate) is the worse thing that can happen for the Democratic party. Their vindictive and neurotic dislike for the Bush administration will be on full display for all too see, landing a severe blow to their already poor prospects for '08. The notion that somehow they're better for the world is non-sense and simplistic, but evades the more important question on whether their good for America. The answer to that one is a no-brainer: absolutely NOT.

MikeB :

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/2006/10/16/a_democratic_congress/comments.php?page=6#c723350

""B' boston obviously doesn't read a whole lot. Buddhism has several branches and most of them are as primitive and coarse as Hinduism and all the rest of those nonsensical Eastern religions."

I just want to say that I, MikeB, am a raving idiot who cannot think of anything else ut denigrating Indians for completely ticking me off. Obviously I can never be a match to them, because I am lazy and used to earn $100,000 for working 2 hours. I AM A LOSER.

John, Copenhagen, Denmark :

People hope, but many do not trust America with a Democrat check to really balance the dominance of fascist-leanings that have become so obvious and alienating in recent years.

However, the election campaign is as disheartening as was Kerry's. Democrats give no impression of seeing the same problem as we do, and the electorate seems once again inclined to let a sexual scandal influence their support much more than any of the real issues.

The looming recession, or depression, that without any doubt will harm the rest of the industrialized world too, doesn't seem less likely if the executive and the legislative branches of government are distracted by endless fights, than it would be if America is governed by disinterested and incompetent although unchallenged Republicans.

Any constructive steps with regard to the threats of Climate Change and a viable solution of the problem with Palestinian refugees will in any case have to wait until after 2008, or 2016, and one can wonder what would give the best preconditions for a change already in 2009. Maybe it would be advantageous also in this respect if the Republican policies show their strengths and weaknesses until the next presidential elections?

People here who have more than average knowledge of the U.S. often hint at the Democrats being stunningly (and disappointingly) much in agreement with the rather extreme rhetoric and policies of the Republicans, and that the Western World's "common values" seem to have been only a thin superficial layer that in any case never had penetrated the American Heartlands.

A major problem is that the United States and the American nation have lost so much in credibility here. We who, for instance, believe that proliferation of atomic weapons is a serious problem needed to be handled, now have to adjust to the increasingly common view considering our position to be "alarmist" or secretly supportive of U.S. imperial ambitions to project military power into countries encircling China, India and Russia. The Democrats do not at all seem to be prepared for such changes that would convince people here that America (1.) has realized her faults and (2.) would be seriously going in for never repeating them again. Democrats like Republicans seem to be more interested in making foreign policy into a means for their grabbing of power in domestic American politics.

Finally, a Democrat Congress seems more likely to cut-and-run from Iraq, motivated by the high value they put on American soldiers' lives, and thereby putting a very low value on Iraqi civilians' lives; civilians that will be put even more in harm's way than today unless a viable partition and population-transfer is agreed between the real powers in the area. A Democrat Congress majority would thus rather enable a new version of the Stab-in-the-Back myth that followed the Vietnam War and in the Weimar Republic was an important prelude to the Third Reich.

So, while some people may hope, it's hardly a particularly strong hope.

Hank,Va. :

A Democratic congress is vital to our country's survival as a
democracy.They are the only ones that can initiate the needed
investigations.Go online to 911 mysteries and watch the video
and I think you'll see what I mean.

MikeB :

The post above, at Posted at October 21, 2006 11:32 AM, is pretty typical of the right and the fanatics who support outsourcing. Rather than answer intelligently points that I have made about the dangers of outsourcing, they post some piece of trash and attribute it to me. Well, it isn't me, but I want the editors and every reader of this forum to understand the depths to which these people will decend, their intellectual and moral bankruptcy, and their total lack of arguments in support of their positions. And Mike, Washington D.C., Shervin, San Carlos, and Srikanth, you need to think very carefully about your positions with regards to India and Bush - you are associated with these sorts of lowlife scum in doing so.

Joe , Greensboro, USA :

W. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice and Powell have committed high crimes against the people, the government, the land, the reputation, and the treasure of the United States. These acts were willfully committed with malice aforethought. They KNEW that which they were doing was unlawful and immoral, yet they did those things anyway.
The Republican controlled Congres will NEVER hold these guilty, greedy criminals accountable for their crimes, because they and their supporters are complicit and have profited from those crimes.
The more erudite pro-Republican responses are from likely co-conspiritors, and their authors should be investigated and audited.
The simpler, more vicious responses are from likely sociopaths, and their authors should be closely watched by mental health professionals.
The only body of Americans willing to hold these miscreants accountable are Democrats. To vote Republican would be aggravated obstruction of justice.
It gives me no pleasure to say these things. But there really are only 3 types of people; makers, takers and fakers. You either try to make the world a better place, try to take all you can and to hell with the world, or you fake it and blow with the prevailing wind.
Republicans and their hangers-on fall into the latter 2 categories.It's time for them to go, and for the guilty to face the music.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C,, USA :

MikeB:

Just as I agree and disagree with you on many points, I must agree and disagree with Deb Chatterjee,USA and "B," Boston, USA. My hope is that I can learn from everyone, regardles one's own personal convictions.

Now, onto the subject.

I have been a great supporter of Labor Unions, up to a certain point. Management and the Unions are ferquently at loggerheads. Personally, I have tried to surmount the impasse by being a mediator between the them and have been reasonably successful. Are Unions always better? No, because some of the Union bosses do not have the common line-workers' issues at heart. Management is always driven by numbers, and hence, they are not always right, either.

I am only trying to point out the ienvitability of globalization. What I am also trying, in my own small ways, to do increase our (the U. S.') competitivenss. We have to quit thinking as if we own this world. We must think unconventionally (the term "out-of-the-box thinking" is overused, underutilized expression with no real meaning) adn beat our competition. As a first step, we must understand what we have done wrong and learn from it, and then act accordingly. Moping and living in the past is NOT an appropriate step.

The reason why the Corporations are hiring "guest" workers and do outsourcing is becase they have to make MORE MONEY (not for the shareholders, but for the executives, themselves).

Hinduism, by the way, is NOT a religion, but a way of life, or philosophy. A person of any religion can follow the Hindu principles, and still belong to one's own religion.

As regards Kashmir, India did NOT grab it. The stupid British colonial powers decided to partition India into India, Pakistan, Bangladesh (Afghanistan was also a part of Greater Sindhu region) and it has been a source of trouble since the. Their stupidity went as far as attempting to carve out a territory in the middle of India and joining it with India. There is a lot of history behind Kashmir and partitioning of India. I am, by any stretch of imagination, NOT an expert at this; furthermore, it is quite exhaustive for us to cover on this forum. It is irrelevant, anyway.

As regards the caste system in India, it indeed is a shameful thing of India, just like slavery and the KKK in the USA. It is also the people of top caste, who are calling for the abolition of caste system. This is a topic for a totally different discussion; it will take quite a bit of time for me convey to you the little that I know on this subject.

Lastly, MikeB, anyone who knows you, by now, will know that you did not post this - http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/2006/10/16/a_democratic_congress/comments.php?page=7#c724841.

MikeB :

Moreover, I have just proved that Indians are just lowly scums and my elegant non-existent proof shows that I am te reason why all intelligent debate will fail. Therefore I should also be taken to the mental hospital.

My conditions:
I provide no proof, but conclusions and
I have severe paranioa and I invent monsters, paticularly Indian monsters.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

MikeB (pseudonym, or namesake?), who posted this: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/2006/10/16/a_democratic_congress/comments.php?page=7#c724892

You are only adding fuel to the fire and worsening his already parochial views. You should be ashamed of yourself for doing exactly the same thing that you are claiming that real MikeB (Mike Brooks?) is doing. If you want to refute Mike Brooks' (real MikeB) claim, then provide us, the unenlightened, with at least a semblance of evidence.

murphy, houston, tx :

The Republicans are awful, the Democrats stink. Neither party is worth a damn and anyone who thinks one side is better than the other is an idiot and a fool. I _have_ noticed that this site has more than it's share of both.

Curt, Gainesville :

The topic is rather broad but I do believe the country and the world would be better off if Democrats controlled congress. First, the President would have some oversight. Right now he is the bully who always gets his way even when his policies are clearly not in the best interest of the nation or the world. Second, the policies that will be pursued by a Democratic Congress, see article about the Minority Lead in todays WP, are clearly aimed at making life better for the average American. The policies are not better for the ultra rich who have been the primary beneficiaries during the Bush years. Finally, Democrats have shown an ability to build coalitions and gain the public's and other nations'trust. Even when Bill Clinton was being impeached by the radical right, his job apporval ratings were above 60 percent. Compare that to Bush's ratings. This is because the Democrats are responsive to the public they serve. Bush, on the other hand, has made it clear that he doesn't care what his ratings are-translated that means he doesn't care what the public wants. As with any political situation there are winners and losers. With a Democratic Congress the losers are the ultra rich, the war mongers, the paranoid, and the Evangelical Christians pursuing single issues at the exclusion of all other public policy issues. The winners are the poor and middle class, taxpayers, peace seekers, and average people who think the government should serve the citizens rather than pursuing, at any cost, some obscure ideology.

Glenn C. Rhoads :

I said "... despite the vitriolic rhetoric of some,
Bush has committed no crime."

Full response follows:

mr. paid obfuscator, Glenn C. Rhoads, Highland Park, U.S. sayz:
"
Bush has committed no crime...
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what do you call starting a ?war? on false pretense?

what do you call having a hidden agenda, PNAC?

what do you call signing anything placed in front of him that benefits his cronies?

are you even paying attention or are you playing the curtain in the Wizard of Oz drama?

get out of the way and shut up.

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arrest the Executive Branch and Complicit Congress.

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do the crime, do the time...............now!

Thank you; you have just provided a perfect example of the vitriolic nonsense that I was referring to. You have not provided any argument nor any shred of evidence that could support an argument. In short I don't have to refute anything because you haven't provided anything substantive to refute. Emotionally based ravings do not constitute a meaningful argument.

There is one statement of yours that I will comment on and that's only because so many others have made the same false claim.

You said: "what do you call starting a 'war' on false pretense?"

Ah yes, the old "Bush Lied" claim which is itself the biggest lie that anybody has tried to foist upon the public over the last six years. The definition of a lie is to say something "WILLFULLY false"; i.e. to say something that you KNOW is false. Simply being mistaken in your belief is a mistake not a lie.

In fact Bush had very good reasons for believing the Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), his own CIA director told him it was a "slam dunk" that Hussein had WMDs. The entire Senate intelligence committee said he had them. The U.N. resolution condemning Saddam Hussein of having WMDs passed the security council by a unanimous vote that included Russia, France, and even Syria (another big supporter of various terrorist groups). The whole world thought Saddam Hussein had WMDs and he did at one point; he couldn't very well have used them on his own Kurdish population if he didn't have them. In fact, the captured documents that have been released show that Saddam Hussein's Generals were *shocked* when Hussein told them just prior to the war that he got rid of the WMDs.

So in order to argue Bush's claim that Hussein had WMDs was willfully false, you must show that inspite of all the evidence to the contrary Bush alone among all the world leaders knew that he didn't when even Hussein's own generals were convinced he did. I'm sorry but that argument does not wash; Bush does not have god-like powers.

If you want to try to convince somebody that the U.S. should not have invaded Iraq given the state of knowledge that existed at the time, then you should try to give a rational argument supported by as much pertinent data as you can provide. Simply questioning someone's integrity is not going to convince anybody. Ad hominem attacks are irrelevant to the argument and only makes people not want to even listen to you. AFAIK, the only person they make look bad is yourself.

I'm not particularly interested in the question of what we should or should not have done a few years ago. The important question is what should do we now and in the future. Given the quality of the so-called debate we've seen in this forum, I'll bow out of the discussion; it's just not worth my time and effort.

MikeB :

Srikanth Raghunathan - Well, if his happens again, I am going to run trace and identify them. I have a hunch as to who it is, but you never know. And, since I am n ot in the habit of breaking forum rules, I am going to ask for the forum managers permission before doing it. Can I have it, guys. You kno my email address. Finally, Srikanth Raghunathan, my full name is Mike Brooks. I usually don't give it because I am pretty well known nd I get a lot of very strange emails from individuals like the dirtbag that has been mimicking me on this board.

And, we almost certainly agree that globalization, in some form, is inevitable. I simpl want it controlled. What we are doing now, however, is uncontrolled outsourcing and uncontrolled immigration and job takeovers by foreign workers. I agree with you, it is all about money.But not just more money for managers and CEO's, but also for investors. These people demand a certain rate of return for their investment and those returns are measured quarterly. If corporate management doesn't meet ith the investors expectation, they are out of a job. So, in the cut throat corporate world, the movement is for ever greater profits and lower costs with no thought for the long term consequences. We got onto this runaway train by getting ino uncontrolled globalization and because our politcial process depends on the money provided by rich corporations and wealthy individuals. Right now, companies cannot even compete unless they join this train wreck. Also, look at who gives money to the political parties - both of them. The only way out, as I see it, to to have a voter revolt that demands we enact some pretty tough "protectionist" legislation that taxes corporations and individuals for outsourcing and guest workers. We might try and force them to pay the *real* costs of those workers, all of the infrastrucure costs - medical, law enforcement, school, transportation, and social services AND the displaced American worker costs. I not know how accurate it is, but I read where the average taxpayer support for a guest worker amonts to between 30 and 50 thousand dollars a year. Force corporations to pick up that cost and pay for the cost of the dislocated worker and I think corporaions will be a lot less likely to hire these "cheap" foreign workers. At the same time, over half of the students in our college and university enginnering programs are foreign. Those spots are denied fully qualified Amercian students. Put a cap on engineering and science programs ability to make extra money (they get roughly four times the tuition and fees for a foreign student) by denying Amecian ciizen' their right to those spots. We have to do something, and do it soon, or we are in trouble as a nation.

you're interesting in one way only :

you're like the kid that one plays cowboys and indians with that never gets shot and eventually, you have to take them out behind a rock and beat the snot out of them....

the sad thing is that the kid doesn't even know that everyone hates them, because a simple game becomes trying to pierce the veil of this kids dishonesty........usually you don't let these kinda people play.

this one fact shows bush lied knowingly:

there are 12 to 20 MILLION _ILLEGAL_ aliens in the United States at this time....most have entered in the last few years.

(bushes position was to grant amnesty...., as he likes to hire these people regardlessof what the law says, infact he likes to do a lot of things regardless of what the law sayz.)

the main point is actions speak louder than words, if _in_fact_ bush was worried about security and safety from terrorists. The 911 Commission said, "the inaction shown by this administration to act on recommendations borders on the criminal," in other words there was no response to "the terrorist threat," except photo ops, rhetoric........saying 911 Iraq terrorists in the same 5 second window.........implying by association a link....manufacturing one.

a. our borders woulda been protected, and if any terroristas were trying to get in that would have happened.... therefore ipso facto, there were _no_ fricking terrorists....regardless of all the bush family men swirling around in tu tus shouting out orange, red blah blah blah and with little fanfare the circus stopped..........what is the threat level right now moron?

b. there is/was one border patrol agent watching the entire Pacific coastline of Oregon immediately after 911. IF this terrorist threat were real, we'd be knee deep in terrorists right now........what we have is an angry population of indigenous people several thousand miles away........that are being labeled islamo fascists by the rovian spinmasters that brought you hate as family values and homophobia as the way to help Americas middle class.

c. all of the pilots with the exception of two lebanese, and one UAE were Saudi.......if they even existed.

d. the CIA published a report saying Bush cherry_picked data to lead to false conclusions....

e. there are CIA documents that talk about trying to _create_ an Al Queeardan Link between Saddam and Al Queerdans. the Al Zaqwuari BS campaign was actually labeled a PSYOP and both reported within the Washington Post pages....

what is PNAC? somehow you stepped around that.........

lying is considered a crime if it leads to capital gains. it's called fraud.

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is there a halliburton family connection between bushes family and his friends?

is there a Saudi/UAE/CIA/Yale/Goss/Negroponte/Walker/Wolfowitz connection?

one thing that I've learned over the years is that letting other people frame interpretation is kinda silly as most of the information that any _normal_ person would need to evaluate a situation is _right_there_

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or just show me how the following is false in a pont-by-point way......... :

REMEMBER the current fiasco/regime STARTED?

probably not, it was actually more than a few years ago.

key player:
George H.W. Bush, Bush Sr. is the former head of CIA, Congressman before that, Vice President, then President...probably more than 46 years of his life making connections...

most of 'em are family/wealth connections, CIA connections, Yale buddies Wolfowitz, Goss, Negroponte (two appointees to intelligence agencies CIA/Director of National Intelligence), Walker his relative with Cuban connections, reputed to have gotten him involved in trying to regain his West Indies via CIA/Mafia/Castro _Bay_O_Pigs_/Watergate Burglars

George H.W. Bush Sr.:
sent April Glaspie to Iraq, who with a nod and a wink told Saddam that his border dispute with Kuwait was an "internal matter." I think Saddam was suckered into invading because the US needed a new enemy after the collapse of the soviet union....


Saddam invades Kuwait, we now have an official reason to be there....
looks like we'll establish a presence in Kuwait, we already have one in Saudi...our CIA trains them...pilots...were trained in the United States, if they even exist........

Saudi Royals was given the rights to Saudi Arabia by the Brits after WWII, the Royals were put into power...brits pulled the reins

who owns the ports on US soil? the Brits...who's supporting us in Iraq?

Protecting the Kuwaiti's:
We go into Iraq with Stormin Norman....and kill a couple of 100 thousand Iraqis and

stop short of Bagdhad....you know why, WE'RE GOING BACK...that's why we stopped...


and now that we occupy, are embedded in Kuwait,
we put the country of Iraq in stasis with embargoes.

until we need it........or the world economy is shifting and things are ripe....China Pakistan, and India are emerging...

THEN, the family needed to intervene....in this case the international riche, which includes the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and the US Affluent that stand to make a bit of cash....mind you the Germans, English and French have their hands in this...but your buddy dubya, is the gawdfathers only visible son....unless you need Jeb to call the state militia to keep a brain dead Terry Schiavo from being unhooked...as a grandstanding event...I believe in a one true gawd that hates queers and islamoid fat cysts!


so we intervene on national television...bombs going off, constant coverage, city surrounded, surveillance on every living thing that's bigger than a booger..


and somehow, miracle of miracles, like the virgin mary turning up on your french toast:

Saddam escapes from Bagdhad with three tractor trailer loads of cash, $1 BILLION$ in CASH right?

Anyone in dubyas extended family gotten riche lately?

the museums were emptied right? ha ha ha...that's rich.

as far as conspiracy goes,

there never was a CIA/NORIEGA/BUSH Sr. connection right? and the Chilean president wasn't asassinated in DC with full CIA knowledge While George H.W. Bush was Director of the CIA (and now sits on a board of directors for a Chilean mining firm about do destroy some chilean indigenous farmers water), and where'd that white up George W. Bushes nose come from? Panama? Noriega/Colombian Cartel?

the thing of it is,
the United States suckered, under George H.W. Bush, Saddam Hussein into attacking Kuwait, so we could be the "heroes", and become military occupiers...to lead us to this point....


walking down the road with no impetus to replacing our dependence on oil, a non-renewable resource....because it's not to the benefit of the countries leaders

this has a lot to do with _families_ working together _not related by blood_, as well as politics that don't include you as a positive recipient of thier efforts, as well as...

helping you to understand that it isn't all cowboy hats and honesty leading you...

Saddam was deliberately mislead into attacking Kuwiat, by President George H.W. Bush, we indicated that we would look the other way if Saddam wanted to reacquire some land and oil wells that he thought the Kuwiatis had taken.....so we would have an excuse to extend our influence.

did we tell Saddam Hussein the truth?

no.

it wasn't to our advantage.

the bushes intimately understand the middle eastern tribe mentality, they have trbal mentality, they protect and work with their own....they use the government to get what they want for their tribe

ps. you're not included in their tribe....

morons in charge and morons voted them in...using demagoguery as a political tool needs to be exposed....predjudice as a tool.

you want a better country quit pandering to morons and pandering to hate.....

the point of it is, the bush family, is trying to bury some information that needs to be understood

the ultimate threat to this country is people that can write but can't think or see...or don't want you to....they obfuscate, they act as the curtain on this "wizard of oz show!"

I would suggest that those who would use thier governmental office for personal gain at the expense of the citizens, hastert, delay, rove, libby et al lose thier citizenship, and be charged with treason and their properties confiscated....

intimidation as control shouldn't be tolerated....

read the bill of rights, the right to bear arms was specifically inserted into the Bill of Rights to prevent the United States from being taken over from within, which is what what is happening now....it's called a coup

why do you need war powers when your country is not at war, but simply occupying a country to control resources?

so you don't have to answer to the law...........why do they want to try the detainees in private, away from the public eye? because there might be some Argentinian employees of the Bridas Corporation fingering Bush and rummy?

that's the point, a dictatorship and a congress that takes advantage of citizens, doesn't deserve to serve....

tom delay: violated his oath of office twice publically, and not a single member of congress has the oats to call him on it....cowards or fellow crooks?

who needs to look for leaks when anyone with two eyes can see a pattern...of deceit and corruption/cronyism, elitist attitudes that try to hook the

estate tax eradification to an increase in minimum wage, and crow about tricking the democrats?

who consistently lower taxes for the wealthy as they increase them for the poor and claim to be in a war......

right and my name is RUMPLED STILTSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike, Weston, USA :

A Democratic Congress, or for that case any congress that does not cowtow to the Excutive Branch, specially the present one, would be a breath of fresh air, for this country and for the world.

outsourcing......... :

talk about stupid.

with no barriers in place it will decimate America, reducing it to a 3rd Rate, 3rd World Country.

we need to pull back and rescind unregulated outsourcing.

we need to recall our manufacturing from overseas.

we need to reestablish the citizenship of the United States as a priority

not bushes extended family and friends.........attach their properties, and sell them.

Nationalize Halliburton, draft the executives, give 'em military salaries....ha ha ha.........

take them apart and make them pay bills the same way you do, with their fricking money not yours.

make them ordinary, take away their special priveleges that _they_ use to rape you and your family, while they dine at the Ritz Carlton...on your income that _they_ stole....

$30 dollars/person/month in Social Security/SSI/Disabled charged to your 39 MILLION people receiving Medicare

while people making over $200,000 a year were given tax breaks.......

these people care about you, waking up

it's not what they want, do it, arrest them, prosecute, sue.

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chris, St. Clair :

Both Republicans and Democrats have become more money-centered, parochial and childishly partisan since the 60's. I don't think members of either american political party are fit to address the world's problems at the present time. There is little serious political talk being conducted. Fate will play its harp, and we will stumble along.

do you like that vitrolic non sense? I've got some more... :

obfuscation _is_ a crime when it hurts a country.

I'm hoping that the CIA/FBI/NSA/SecretService have been listening to dubyas conversations with BEELZEBUUB and that Guantonamo will be getting some priveleged detainees soon.

praise the lword.

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sandra wilton erie,ks USA :

We are ready for change and Nov 7th I think its coming. I think we were led into an illegal war and the consequences have been horrific for our country. I am tired of incompetence, lies and corruption. I am sure this is not what the founding fathers invisioned when they were planning for our future. I hope the Dems will take advantage of a window of opportunitiy and not shut the Republicians out as they have been shut out of the legislative process. I hope they will make getting our fiscal house in order. If they don't do that, then nothing else will really matter. Cutting waste and spending, earmarks, etc. Raising the minimum wage should be a first and no more raises for themselves until we are no longer a debter nation. Revist the medicare perscription bill and negotiate drug prices. Convene a conference to takle global warming.Have a no tolerence policy for corruption and bar the lobbyists from the House and Senate would be a good start. If they can manage that, they will be in a good position in 2008. Had Al Gore not had the election stolen from him in 2000 we would be doing all those things and more.

"B"boston :

MikeB

Once again in deep trouble. READ THE FORUM RULES.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/delphi/delphirules.htm

"You may not post content that degrades others on the basis of gender, race, class, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual preference, disability or other classification."

India bad, Hindus bad - that's all you have been doing.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/2006/10/16/a_democratic_congress/comments.php?page=7#c724820

"I want it noted here that the most rabid supporters of Bush appear to be Indian and orher foreign interests that gain from his lunatic globalization schemes."

Oh here's something for you: You will happy at first but not in the end.

http://www.aau.edu/reports/GradEdRpt.html

"B"boston :

Srikanth

I don't want to sound cheap, but perhaps you are young. Use the facts, and stand up straight, don't sway every direction.

So far, I haven't said a thing about the US, Americans, Caucasians that comes out racist, bigoted. It was always in reply to non sensical allegations.

Never side with a lunatic, even if occasionally he/she speaks the right stuff, such as regulated off-shoring, with which I too agree with.

Ann, Albuquerque NM :

At the very least a Democratic Congress would provide checks and balances on the Republican controlled everything else. David from Grand Rapids is practically delusional. While the Rethuglicans are desperately trying to keep our citizens frightened to death, the Dems are at least addressing the huge gap between the rich and the middle class, the ballooning national debt and the stressed military.

Because the Dems are constantly crying wolf seems some Reptiles think they aren't serious. Little clue here: the world has always been a dangerous place. There were terrorists long before 9.11. Little children had their hands cut off in Africa and US soccer moms couldn't have cared less. Life is dangerous. Our founders pledged their lives, liberty and sacred honor to bring American to life. The very least we can do is live with courage and not sell our civil liberties on the cheap.

Dems are no more honest than Reps. All I ask is they be less prone to bring "democracy" and "freedom" to other countries at the point of a sword. Violence begats violence.

Bush, Cheney and the rest of the cabal claim Clinton's policies are responsible for a nuclear NK. If W's policies are so much better why have Iran and NK not ceased their nuclear ambitions? The claim is Libya gave up it's programs after seeing what happened to Iraq. So how is that working for Iran and NK? Not any better but at least we weren't going broke trying to run multiple failed military actions.

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For all you Bush apoligists:

Do you think it might be illegal for the President to sign a law and then issue a statement saying he doesn't want the Executive Branch to comply with the law? Seems to me that is like disobeying a law.

cut one and run...blame it on clinton :

remedy, whoever smelt it delt it..........

take apart their obfuscation and beat them to death with it...

most all of their rhetoric is _appeal_to_emotion_

jingoism, demagogurey, _appeal_to_nationalism/patriotism_ HITLER USED THAT WELL

DAS HOME LUNT SECURITAG, appointee Michael Chertoff, head of DHS has no qualifications.........thus

no oversight.

catch a clue, arrest these derilictions of responsibility.

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Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

MikeB:

Let me apologize for using your last name, but somehow had to differentiate the impostor from you.

We just CANNOT control outsourcing. We must consider a "cost of soing business." It is afact of life. I do not know where you are getting tha figure that we are paying $30-50,000 for each guest worker. The "guest workers," in fact, pay more in taxes, because they are all supposed to use 1040NR.

Protectionism does NOT help.

The issue is that we lack a "good" high-school education. As a matter of fact, I am convinced that our bachelor's education is so dismal that our kids are not prepared for further studies. (Our high school education is the worst in the world, I am afraid.) I can cite many references to this on a government website. Type http:///www.nsf.gov and search for it. Our graduate programs are par excellence. I would love for our government to give our kids the first shot, but if our kids do not want it, or preapred for it, what do you do to keep the economic engine humming? You hire "international" students. Whom do we blame? Ourselves. We do not teach our kids that education is the number one goal. Our professors are more intersted in getting research grants and making it rich by "spinning out" their technologies, rather than focusing on undergraduate education.

Lately, all the international students are going back to their home countries to enrich their economy. They are getting paid handsomely for it, too.

I noticed that you have a lot of patents to your credit. Why did you not patent your bamboo fishing rod patent?

Lastly, we have the talents, and let us put that to good use.

"B," Boston, USA:

Look, I do FIRMLY stand by my principles. People, who know me, will recognize me as such. I do NOT profess to be an expert at everything and I try to learn from everyone. I DO try to keep an open mind. I am a 72-year old chemist working on many, many classified defense projects. (I am not a young whippersnapper, or a greenhorn, as you might imagine me to be.) Am I sufficiently old for you? Hence, I believe that I know what the results of my weapons systems could be - deadly, or most beneficial, to humaity, depending on the applications.

Ann, Albuquerque NM:

Amen, sister!

Srikanth :

I am drawn to this forum not because I have time, but it does make me aware of the hatred against my ethnicity for racist reasons supported very flimsily by some lunatic hyperbole, fabrications. If I see that, I am never going to tolerate NONSENSE. I do question your apparent tolerance against the IDIOT lunatic's raving and perhaps it is subjective.

Do you not remember his constant raving against India and Hindus?

Srikanth Raghunatha, Washington, D. C., USA :

I wonder who posted the post: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/2006/10/16/a_democratic_congress/comments.php?page=8#c724979.

Is that my namesake, or another impostor?

Yes, I do remember, my friend! I consider it my job to educate him/her, to the best of my abilities. By the way, I am Hindu/Christian with Indian/Irish/Italian ancestry. I love the best of all cultures! It really is fascinating.

Shiloh :

WaPo online headline today, October 21, 2006: BUSH: No Pullout Until "Mission is Complete."

Headline on June 5, 2003: BUSH: "Mission Accomplished."

The obvious disconnect evidences the need for some balance in American governance and credibility. A Democratic Congress could provide that balance.

Aubrey, Collinsville, VA :

Most of the people I talk to believe that the Republicans have failed so badly in so many ways that Democrats must take the House, at least. With power in the House Democrats can restore some accountability and, then, hopefully, some competence in government. Among other things that means respect and rationality in our relations with other nations. The Democrats have not been proponents of attacking Iran, North Korea, or Syria. They have espoused the need to talk to all nations, and they even propose to engage in promoting negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis. Only the ignorant or the uncaring rich could be satisfied with the performance of the Bush administration.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

MikeB wrote:"...and Deb likely being the wife of an Indian "guest worker". What I fail to understand, though is Srikanth."

Well, I am a *HE* and been here in USA since the past 15 years, and now in my late forties.

Also, MikeB wrote: "I usually don't give it because I am pretty well known nd I get a lot of very strange emails from individuals like the dirtbag that has been mimicking me on this board."

So, now there is another MikeB taking on the other MikeB (Mike Brooks) ? And both the Mikies are democrats ?

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Democrats must lose the 2008 election because they would put USA in deep peril. They are clueless about Islamic terrorism and how it affects USA. All that Democrats know is to paint Republicans in bad light. They don't have any positive agenda. The usual credit for the improved economy despite the war, is because of Bush's tax cuts that has made DOW cross the 12,000 mark. Democrats claim economic prudence but it was the Clinton regime that had made open-door economy viable. Why blame Republicans now ?

Republican can rule USA relatively better, and though may not be the desirable choice, are the better of the two. The only flaw of the Republicans is that they have screwed up on Iraq. As it appears that many Republican loyalists are now going against the party leadership. If only Bush realized that Don Rumsfeld must be fired. What will it take for Bush to realize that and abandon loyalty in favor of pragmatism ? Loss of house and senate in 2006 ?

Shiloh, Otter Creek, USA :

Mr. Chatterjee appears to suffer from cognitive dissonance. The DOW, representing only 30 of more than 10,000 corporations, is an indication that under the Bush tax cuts the minority (Americans making over $200,00 per year) gets wealthier while the majority (Americans making under $60,000 per year gets less. Boosting 30 major corporations, many of which are cutting jobs to increase profits, by promoting investment through tax cuts, is the antithesis of the Democratic representation of middle America.

Democrats must win the 2006 and 2008 elections to restore economic prosperity for the majority.

rascism is pretty silly indeed... :

however, outsourcing is detrimental to the United States of Americas' future.

It is very simple, and it is not about predjudice, although the simpler of you would make it so.

Competing with countries that are trying to climb out of the 3rd world lowers the bar.

We need to bring back benefits, healthcare, retirement and a reliable social services system....this is _not_ the America I grew up in.

ps. protectionism does help. :

the citizens.

that's why it was established. a small country like Japan or Britain manages to do well as long as you have to be a citizen to acquire land or interest in a company.

there is nothing wrong with taking care of the citizens that made you rich to begin with........

selfishness is no class.

put the elitists where _they_ belong, starting over with nothing.

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I think that it's interesting that someone that is anti American :

is supporting the Republicans, ms chatter jee.

ps. it is Complicit Congress, neither Republican nor Democrat... :

just selfish elitists that are destroying the country.

Corruption looks much like it does in the more_backwards cultures where everyone wants their ?palms? greased before they give you the okay........

very primitive mores' are coming into play in United States Business practices,

we must cull these primitive practices by naming them, and pointing them out.

corruption, bribery, graft, greed..........stamp them out in all cultures.

do not invite third world mentality into the discussion.

if your world is looking more ugly, as someone tries to smile at you and invite you to agree with th :

rip their arms off.

smiling is cheap. IF someone wants you to give up rational thought, take them down.

Introduce them to the endoftime.

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Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Shiloh wrote:

"Boosting 30 major corporations, many of which are cutting jobs to increase profits, by promoting investment through tax cuts, is the antithesis of the Democratic representation of middle America."

Isn't that precisely what Americans want ? To get wealthier ? Yes, by the system there will be wealthier, middle-class and lower middle-class. Do Democrats plan on eliminating the legitimate (lawful) process of accumulating individual wealth generation ?

Also, I heard on FOX news today that a Democratic staffer was passing on secret (classified) information to NYT to embarass Republicans. He has been since prevented by Mr. Hofstra. (Chair of Intelligence Committee). Is this what Democrats are playing to ?

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Shiloh wrote:

"Boosting 30 major corporations, many of which are cutting jobs to increase profits, by promoting investment through tax cuts, is the antithesis of the Democratic representation of middle America."

Isn't that precisely what Americans want ? To get wealthier ? Yes, by the system there will be wealthier, middle-class and lower middle-class. Do Democrats plan on eliminating the legitimate (lawful) process of accumulating individual wealth generation ?

Also, I heard on FOX news today that a Democratic staffer was passing on secret (classified) information to NYT to embarass Republicans. He has been since prevented by Mr. Hofstra. (Chair of Intelligence Committee). Is this what Democrats are playing to ?

you are misinterpreting purposely.. :

you want to be called on it?

do you know what ecology is? do you know about balance?

do you understand truth? how do you know if someone is being honest?

are you afraid of me? are you smiling?

honesty is not a ploy :

it's a style, one that you're unfamiliar with.

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Let us be blunt. Mr. Zakaria took part in a policy planning meeting for the Iraq war which also offered the Republican administration advice on how a policy should be sold to the country. As assistant editor of Newsweek he then sold the policy to the country, without disclosing his role.

That sir is reprehensible, perhaps not as reprehensible as Mr. Foley, but to be honest more people have been killed and maimed (on the order of half a million) by Mr. Zakaria's actions than Mr. Foley's, although Mr. Zakaria might claim that his action was less,...concentrated. At the least Mr. Zakaria should resign from the Post and take himself to a monestary. Moral responsibility you know Mr. Zakaria. Or maybe you don't.

"B"boston :

Srikanth,

I do apologize about the tone. However, you said, "I DO try to keep an open mind. I am a 72-year old chemist working on many, many classified defense projects." And I want to add, open-mindedness cannot mean forgetfulness and I don't want to repeat weakness, because that hurt your feelings.

All these I meant as suggestions. But, I can tell you that the younger generation people of Indian origin are hardly going to tolerate hatred and vitriol against them. We don't come up with crazy conspiracy theories to hurt someone. Why should we tolerate others doing that to us?

Ian R. :

Yes, the Dem's will change things in the country and the world for better, I will be voteing for the Dem's this November and '08'.

(1).We the People are tired of cowboy politics.
(2).We the people are tired of George Bush.
(3).We the people are tired of the war.
(4).We the people voted and we the people, are dieing.
(5).They spend all our (billion's)of tax dollers to kill and dismember our vet's.
(6).They lied we die.
(7). We the people dont trust the Repub's.
(8). We the people dont have Insurance.
(9). We the people are POOR.
(10).We the people are dieing from all sorts of disease.
(11). We the people have and will change things in this Great country of ours.
(12). WE THE PEOPLE WILL GIVE THE IMMIGRANTS A CHANCE,TO LIVE BE FREE AS ONE IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY A GOOD LIFE AND A CHANCE TO PROVE THEMSELVES TO BE AMERICAN LIKE ME AND MY FAMILY.
MAY THE ALMIGHTY GOD BLESS US ALL. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. GOOD OLD ABE LINCLON WHERE ARE YOU!

AMERICA THE GREAT.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Ian R. Wrote:

"GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. GOOD OLD ABE LINCLON WHERE ARE YOU!"

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, FYI.

Srikanth Raghunathan, WAshington, D. C., USA :

"B," Boston:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/2006/10/16/a_democratic_congress/comments.php?page=8#c725095

I try NOT to forget things, but one must remember that being a "hawk" does not always help. In my younger days, I used to be VERY MUCH a Repuclican, much like Deb Chatterjee, USA. Perhaps, I have indeed mellowed out. You, certainly, are not hurting my feelings by pointing out my weakness, for I have many. No, we do not have to tolerate the vitriol against anybody or anyone's principles; however, I consider it my responsiblity to "relay" the facts, as I know them. However, unfortunately, I do not know all the facts. I have been raised in a society that teaches patience and tolerance (constitutionally speaking). I still strongly believe that America and India are indeed tha best "democratic" countries in the world. (I am of Indian/Irish/Italian origin.) I do not know if you are a first-generation American (immigrant); if you were indeed that, then the fact that you are still sticking around would say a lot about our country; do you not think? Do I have gripes against the U. S.? Yes, of course, I do, but this is the country, wherein I would rather be. (Perhaps, I do not a have real choice, although I could be a citizen of India, Ireland, Italy, or European Union, because of my ancestry.)

Despite all its failings, the U. S. is still the greatest country on Earth, at this time.

Folks, vote for your conscience, whatever you feel that is right, but DO vote.

BobL-VA :

Deb,W

Do you really want to compare Abe Lincoln to GW Brushless?

When will you neocons get the point. We don't hate republicans, we hate Bushwrong. They are not the same.

Shiloh, Otter Creek, USA :

Mr. Chatterjee doesn't seem to be aware that income disparity has worsened under the Republican administration and congress. Real income for those reporting $200,000 or more is up, while it is down for those making less than $88,000 - and that the tax cuts were most beneficial to the wealthy at the expense of middle income taxpayers. The Bush tax cuts gave an average of $150 to the middle income families and $16,000 to the upper income families. Approximately 60% of the total tax cut went to the top 2% in income. Meanwhile, Bush & Co. have steadfastly opposed an increase in the minimum wage. As has often been remarked, "Under Republican administrations the rich get richer and the poor get poorer." It's time for a change. A democratic congress will enrich the world by putting more money in the hands of the many average consumers, rather than into the pocket of few. Consumers buying millions of brass plated widgets will do more for the international economy and employment than the manufacture of solid gold widgets affordable only to a few. The world will be a better place with a democratic congress in the US.

Jo , York County Maine :

I hear they are all crooks but maybe with Dem. they will look into some of the mess Bush made.

Judy, Gibsonville, NC :

Going back to Ronald Reagan and the number of political appointees who were either indicted and some convicted and pardoned by GHW Bush; bring it up to John Poindexter and Elliot Abrams, both convicted and pardoned by Bush #1, I can confidently say that DEMOCRATS have fewer political appointees, Cabinet, VP who think LAWS are NOT made for them.

Progressive liberals embody the philosophy of helping our worldwide brothers and sisters whatever their race, ethnicity, belief system and do NOT use KILLING innocent people in others countries in an effort to take their natural resources. So, yes. Democrats have a higher standard for "...we the people...."

Look at it this way, Democrats would have to totally concentrate in order to match Republican ruthlessness such as invading, occupying a country and killing more than 600,000 such as Republicans have.

This past 6 years have been so been shameful for those of us with ethical/moral standards that I am sure we - as Democrats - will remember the shame we feel for the reputation this administration has caused and will strive for the reputation we enjoyhed prior to this regime.

Eli Rabett, Washington, DC :

Given how wrong Zakaria and Ignatius have been on Iraq and everything else, why are they still holding forth as pundits? Why is anyone bothering to take them seriously?

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina :

Yes, just to put the brakes on George W. Bush...and the gang of two.

A Point that no one seems to see or ponder is that :

we have reached the limits of our borders.

There is _no_ westward expansion. There is no need for _useless_ members of society.

There is a need to see _all_ people as being in the soup.

In an ecology of humanity, we all affect each other. There is no way to have a good soup if some of the soup tastes bad.

Has a bad life.

To work for all of the soup to taste good is in the highest interests for all members of the soup.

Example: Since there is not more money to be made in quick business deals of "acquiring more," the current administration is working on shedding the burden of helping the people that they are disenfranchisting by

1. passing bankruptcy laws that prevent people from getting out from under debt, due to a judge saying "you shouldn't have to pay for this, because it wasn't your fault." That is the newest bankruptcy law.

why have there been surges in bankruptcy?

a. outsourcing
b. downsizing
c. internationalization/selling of the outsourced downsized companies to international conglomerates that don't have a country that they represent/support.

What are the people in charge missing?

That they are making some pieces of the soup taste like s***. They are turning some peoples lives into s***.

In fuedal Europe, this is the norm. The royalty lives well and the peasants get what the king doesn't steal from them.

The sentence immediately above is what is going on in the United States _right_now_.

IF you don't have people in charge that don't want the soup to taste bad, the whole world will lose, as it will be selfishness and 3RD WORLD CONDITIONS FOR EVERYONE ALL OVER AGAIN.

You all, Indians included, seem to think that everyman for themselves is the way_to_go. Obfuscation, lying, cheating and spinning are _world_class_ behaviours.

Sorry, we've already been there. Democracy, a citizenship that is intelligent enough to make decisions based upon an honest enough understanding of issues is what made America great during the 50's thru the early 80's. That is except for Americas disenfranchised.

But I can solve that easily.

What I am pointing out is an essential fact or two.

1. We are not in expansionist mode.

a. there are a limited number of resources for our current population.
b. if the people who are in charge don't realize this and manage it, they will end up creating more disenfrachised or stealing from a group. And create more poor people.

2. IF there are a limited number of resources, we have to start looking at the best use of them.

3. WE _HAVE_TO_ hire/elect people that will use resources wisely and thoughtfully. Otherwise the soup will taste bad, there will be more peasants.

This is not about parties, this is about selfishness and stupidity.

Either you get some people running the country that aren't into caste based decision making or everything is going to taste bad pretty soon.

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

gary solana,san diego,ca. :

We've seen the proof of Republican arrogance over the past 6 years! Ciao baby! relegated to dust bin for a long time!

the dismissal of habeus corpus, :

and the bankruptcy laws that have been passed to protect the corporations

are blatant examples of a return to caste based decision making.

in the olde days, about 2 years ago... :

if a judge felt that a bankruptcy had occured that wasn't the clients fault that a lowered payment or dismissal of payment could occur.

The law is changed so that the judge is _not_allowed_to_reduce_payment_under_any_circumstance.

80% of all bankruptcies today are due to _circumstance_beyond the applicants ability to control.

IE outsourcing, downsizing, loss of job, illness, plant closings....

most of those things affect

MIDDLE FRICKING CLASS PEOPLE.

ps. there is no escape from the ghetto if there is no middle class, it just simply begins to include all of the people falling out of the middle class

and you have the reemergence of the PEASANT CLASS AS THE LARGEST CLASS,

supporting a small, selfish, self_centered, elitist class at the top that run the world in support of one ideal.

that everyone else is a peasant and doesn't matter.

no habeus corpus, debtor prisons, slavery.

bush administration, complicit congress.

selfish elitists, liars, spinners, obfucators

take them apart.

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IRAQ is a country made up of different looking peasants :

sitting on top of the 2ND LARGEST OIL RESERVES IN THE FRICKING WORLD.

The Islamo Fat Cyst ploy is simply to get you to allow the elitists to use your army to get richer as your children and the Iraqi citizens die in an occupation to control an important economic resource..........that we don't need, but they will get MORE rich controlling.....in a world of limited resources.

the occupation has been labeled a ?war? as a spin/BS/LIE

to get George W. Bush ?war? powers so that he can change the Constitution to make it friendlier to his class.........

he's removing oversight, democracy and accountability from the law.

take him out and put him in prison.

attach his properties and that of all of his _family_ and sell them, reduce him to poverty.

thanks.

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Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

Shiloh, Otter Creek, USA

Income disparity has been increasing since the early 1970's, and, yes, under the Clinton administration as well. While you are correct, the tax cuts increases the gap, there are other factors like illegal immigration which floods the market with unskilled labor, and education which are probably more important.

From Alan Greenspan on increased income disparity (Washington Times article, July, 2004):

"It is a reflection, as best I can judge, of a faulty educational system in the United States. As you know, we've got relatively poor marks internationally, especially as our students move from the fourth grade to the 12th grade."

Tax breaks for the rich is the rallying cry for the Democratic Party, but the economy has recovered remarkedly well from an inherited downturn and the attacks of 911.

If the Democrats win a majority in the House and/or Senate, it is a reflection primarily of the war in Iraq.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

To Shiloh, Srikanth Raghunathan and BobL-VA:

Read the last part of the blogpost by Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho. He wrote:

"If the Democrats win a majority in the House and/or Senate, it is a reflection primarily of the war in Iraq."

This is precisely correct.

The Demcratoic hoopla about income disparity, Foleygate, DeLaygate etc. are all baloney. Every political party has skeletons in their closet. The other problem, which Tom has somewhat touched, is illegal immigration. But, I believe that this will be a serious 2008 issue.

And, BobL-VA, I could support Republicans but I am (as far as I know) not a neocon.

If Democrats gets elected (sorry Tom I hate to admit that you could be right), we shall certainly see the growth of Islamic terrorism inside USA. If you will mnake a film like "The Seige" (1998 movie starring Denzel Eashington, Bruce Willis and Annette Benning), the movie director/producer will probably be killed. The Islam appeasement policy that our Democrats have in their agenda for "reaching out all people" is the scariest thing I have ever known.

I understand that Indian American community would vote en-masse for the Democrats, but that is not the right thing to do. Yes, GW screwed up (not him exactly, but Don Rumsfeld) on Iraq from the start; but he has done goodd things following that. I agree that many American soldiers have fallen to Islamic terrorism in Iraq, and simply because of a clueless US policy. But to abandon Republicans altogether is the stupidest thing to do.

Is Cindy Sheehan paying any of the bloggers here ?

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Judy wrote:

"Look at it this way, Democrats would have to totally concentrate in order to match Republican ruthlessness such as invading, occupying a country and killing more than 600,000 such as Republicans have."

Well, Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers also used ruthless tactics to expand the borders of the nascent USA. Read the book by Robert Kagan, DANGEROUS NATION. ISBN: 0375411054. So, would you say that Thomas Jefferson also deserves your contempt like present-day Republicans ?

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Sorry ! The response to Judy is from me. I hit the keys too fast and thus forgot to key in my name.

Shiloh, Otter Creek, USA :

Tom in Boise:

The US recovery measured in wealth (assets) has recovered, but measured in income has deteriorated in real dollar (purchasing power) value. The US is now at the longest period without a minimum wage increase since it was enacted in 1938. Last year, the purchasing power of real value minimum wage regressed to about the 1955 level and in 2006, for the first time in the history of the minimum wage, that value will regress to the point that a $5.l5 minimum wage will purchase less than $5.00 in value. The 70 year history of real dollar income follows a pattern that substantiates the perception that "the rich get richer (wealth increases), but the poor get poorer (income value decreases)" during Republican administrations or congressional majorities. The majority of Americans are better off financially during Democratic administrations and majorities. Iraq and the war on terrorism may be an element in the coming election, but when the voters take out their wallets to get out their voter registration card - the impact of a Republican administration and congress on their finances will influence their vote. Fewer people today rely on the minimum wage, but many more rely on two incomes/two jobs to survive - and that affects their quality of life and will be at the forefront in the voting booth.

Shiloh, Otter Creek, USA :

My prior should read The US "economy" measured in wealth (assets) has recovered, but....

Jim H Minneapolis, MN USA :

The answer to this is so obvious it begs the question: why even ask it? If there is any chance to stop Bush and Cheney from their incredibly destructive and short sighted rampage around the world, it might be an opposing political party in the Congress. Of course the world will be better off without the Republican Party rubber stamping invasions of other countries, ripping up treaties, ignoring the Geneva Convention, torturing people to death in secret prisons and walking away from every responsiblility and every good ideal America once stood for.

You people have been "inside the Beltway" too long to ask a question this stupid. These people act more like criminals than leaders of a nation once noted by a Pope to be "the last best chance for the planet", a country founded on moral principles that these Republicans are now shredding because they don't know what they mean.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Jim H Minneapolis, MN USA wrote:

"...torturing people to death in secret prisons and walking away from every responsiblility and every good ideal America once stood for."

That's probably dependent on the eye of the beholder. Historian Robert Kagan's latest book, which I have cited, doesn't depict history of USA the same way as "every good ideal..". USA has always had a very pragmatic attitude. Of course that's the way it should be. For example, the annexation of Texas from Mexico was by today's standards very "immoral", but that was OK then. USA, contrary to what you have written, had an expansionist attitude. Likewise Soviet Union had the same attitude too. However since history is written by winners, and Soviet Union lost, USA and her principles prevailed. If USA had adopted a Gandhian attitude of tolerance and non-expansionism it would not have been respected. When the British went out to colonize and were successful, the world recognized England as the superpower. The glory faded. But, that's history and there is nothing to be ashamed of it.

Likewise we see today USA confronting a Islam which also has a very strong expansionist dogma. Now the war has begun (probably unwittingly by Bush), for occupation of land and souls between Islam and the West (aka USA). Only time will tell who shall emerge victorious from this long-drawn protracted battle.

So, unless you can clarify what those "...every good ideal America once stood for" mean, you credibility on castigating Bush for each and everything appears to be in suspect.

Shiloh, Otter Creek, USA :

Mr Chatterjee's attempt at moral relativism is unconvincing. Jim in Minneapolis speaks to the ideals embodied in the Declaration of Independence, Consitiution and Bill of Rights, not to the passive resistance of Ghandi, which was effective.

Jim H Minneapolis, MN :

Dear Deb Chatterjee,

Thanks for the pontificating lecture on the obvious. I wrote "ideal" as in the Jeffersonian ideals the nation was founded upon. In most Hamiltonian stages, Ideals take a back seat to pragmatism to put it nicely. Since we are in a Hamiltonian to the tenth power era, ruled by sociopaths who are ideologues and know nothing about pragmatism until it comes to elections, I don't need to provide "credibility" to someone like you because you just read a book.

I did not write anything implying the US didn't have an expansionist attitude or history. I'm not a Tom DeLay or a Bill Frist, insisting everything America is good and I never approached that in my post. But if you don't like me being angry that my America officially totures people to death while watching these same people suspending Habeas Corpus and taking away my rights, and yours too, I might add, then take it to a coffee shop back on campus and bore someone else who might be impressed by what book you just read.

Credibility? What does that mean? The invasion of Iraq was probably more to do with raising the stock prices of the oil companies and the Halliburtons of this world than stopping Islamic expansionism. OF course we are only left to guess because of the endless lies and ceaseless propaganda put out by the Republican Party. If you think this group running our country right now is smart enough to be thinking about how to stop Islamic hegemony then you better start reading more books than Bobby Kagan's latest. Invading an Islamic country doesn't win hearts and minds.

So save your lectures for somebody else. Or if that's impossible, which judging by your post looks like it is, bursting with your keen sense of the obvious, then tell me something I haven't known for thirty years.

FDR :

I don't know anyone who doesn't think a Democratic congress would be better for the world, as well as for us at home. Even the life long republicans around here seem totally fed up with the corruption and lack of results from the republican party

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

There is no question that the economy is a huge issue with voters, but, the economy has rebounded with the tax breaks generating revenue and driving the economy. Growth of the economy is good. That is why democrats are talking less about the economy during this election except the usual "tax breaks for the rich" slogan.

You are right, however, the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. There is an increasing disparity in our society, but I don't believe voter anger is due to the economy. To me it revolves more around Congress's inability to get much done on immigration, control spending etc., and especially the war in Iraq which has been mismanaged. In the face of a failing occupation, little has changed in the administration's approach to the problems of the occupation.

There is voter dissatisfaction with the Republicans. Democrats know this, and as a result, have offered little in the way of ideas or policies. Of course, that can come back to haunt them at election time.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

Jim H Minneapolis, MN wrote:

"But if you don't like me being angry that my America officially totures people to death while watching these same people suspending Habeas Corpus and taking away my rights, and yours too, I might add, then take it to a coffee shop back on campus and bore someone else who might be impressed by what book you just read."

Pray, Jim, are you angry at the slaughterers/decapitators of Nick Berg, Eugene Anderson, Paul Johnson and Daniel Pearl ? "Your America tortures" people to death; news media in "your America" (CNN) shows footage of a American soldier with hands tied behind his back and his eyes tied up, being made to kneel and then shot in the head.

And what surprises me is that there are people in USA who are angry when USA soldiers step out of the line - driven by the not-so-noble intent of taking revenge (crudely) at these coward perpetrators.

But, I do understand and appreciate your Hamiltonian pragmatism in such trying times. It is a virtue that I must learn from you.

you know what is annoying is the continued lying in the face overwhelming evidence... :

of a destruction of the MIDDLE CLASS.

take this article:

Devaluing Labor

By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, August 30, 2006; Page A19

Labor Day is almost upon us, and like some of my fellow graybeards, I can, if I concentrate, actually remember what it was that this holiday once celebrated. Something about America being the land of broadly shared prosperity. Something about America being the first nation in human history that had a middle-class majority, where parents had every reason to think their children would fare even better than they had.

The young may be understandably incredulous, but the Great Compression, as economists call it, was the single most important social fact in our country in the decades after World War II. From 1947 through 1973, American productivity rose by a whopping 104 percent, and median family income rose by the very same 104 percent. More Americans bought homes and new cars and sent their kids to college than ever before. In ways more difficult to quantify, the mass prosperity fostered a generosity of spirit: The civil rights revolution and the Marshall Plan both emanated from an America in which most people were imbued with a sense of economic security.


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That America is as dead as the dodo. Ours is the age of the Great Upward Redistribution. The median hourly wage for Americans has declined by 2 percent since 2003, though productivity has been rising handsomely. Last year, according to figures released just yesterday by the Census Bureau, wages for men declined by 1.8 percent and for women by 1.3 percent.

As a remarkable story by Steven Greenhouse and David Leonhardt in Monday's New York Times makes abundantly clear, wages and salaries now make up the lowest share of gross domestic product since 1947, when the government began measuring such things. Corporate profits, by contrast, have risen to their highest share of the GDP since the mid-'60s — a gain that has come chiefly at the expense of American workers.

Don't take my word for it.

read the article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/29/AR2006082901042.html

IF anyone is making up a story it's Tom Won a cot and Deb the chatter jee............

.

stoolies for obfuscation.

and you're really in Boise right? thus after being accused of being a plant you started acting like someone from Boise.....with the football reference. Could you be any less disingenuous?

And indians for outsourcing? How transparent is that?

.

you know what is annoying is the continued lying in the face overwhelming evidence... :

of a destruction of the MIDDLE CLASS.

take this article:

Devaluing Labor

By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, August 30, 2006; Page A19

Labor Day is almost upon us, and like some of my fellow graybeards, I can, if I concentrate, actually remember what it was that this holiday once celebrated. Something about America being the land of broadly shared prosperity. Something about America being the first nation in human history that had a middle-class majority, where parents had every reason to think their children would fare even better than they had.

The young may be understandably incredulous, but the Great Compression, as economists call it, was the single most important social fact in our country in the decades after World War II. From 1947 through 1973, American productivity rose by a whopping 104 percent, and median family income rose by the very same 104 percent. More Americans bought homes and new cars and sent their kids to college than ever before. In ways more difficult to quantify, the mass prosperity fostered a generosity of spirit: The civil rights revolution and the Marshall Plan both emanated from an America in which most people were imbued with a sense of economic security.

That America is as dead as the dodo. Ours is the age of the Great Upward Redistribution. The median hourly wage for Americans has declined by 2 percent since 2003, though productivity has been rising handsomely. Last year, according to figures released just yesterday by the Census Bureau, wages for men declined by 1.8 percent and for women by 1.3 percent.

As a remarkable story by Steven Greenhouse and David Leonhardt in Monday's New York Times makes abundantly clear, wages and salaries now make up the lowest share of gross domestic product since 1947, when the government began measuring such things. Corporate profits, by contrast, have risen to their highest share of the GDP since the mid-'60s — a gain that has come chiefly at the expense of American workers.

Don't take my word for it.

read the article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/29/AR2006082901042.html

IF anyone is making up a story it's Tom Won a cot and Deb the chatter jee............

.

stoolies for obfuscation.

and you're really in Boise right? thus after being accused of being a plant you started acting like someone from Boise.....with the football reference. Could you be any less disingenuous?

And indians for outsourcing? How transparent is that?

.

I know you can cull the other post do that.

.

my apologies.

the truth still holds, obfuscation is killing our citizens and iraqi people too.

.

ps. your culling of information to find instances of when :

great people did things that were less than sterling.

Doesn't make their actions more beautiful or their dishonesties less ugly.

I'm sure even the great saint Jesus farted once in awhile. That doesn't excuse murder.

Or is that too hard for you to understand. I ready to cut some wood if you want to take me to task. children.

ps. why do you need to talk about :

cutting peoples heads off as justification for bush stealing their oil.

are you crazy, stupid, immoral or all three?

where's the link?

did we invade their country w/o provocation?

Is beheading something that they do to their own people? Do you have any proof that it was not CSI propaganda like the El Zaquwari tale, psyop? Answer the question.

.

let's talk about Ghandi.... :

heh heh heh.....

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To Jim H Minneapolis

"...The invasion of Iraq was probably more to do with raising the stock prices of the oil companies and the Halliburtons of this world than stopping Islamic expansionism..."

Haliburton did quite nicely working for the Clinton administration throughout the 90's. They were even picked for work in Bosnia despite NOT being the low bidder because of their experience. Al Gore complimented their work. They are a logical contractor to use for large jobs because they are a large company.

Your statement is rediculous to say the least.

let's talk about wife burning and arranged marriages or slavery in India... :

or about the reality of castes within the Pakistani, Indian world

or being a Royal vs being a regular Saudi/UAE/Kuwiati person.

heh heh heh...

IF you look at the formation of :

PNAC,

it was in response to George H.W. Bushes second term being taken from him....

he had plannus interruptus. Thus being unable to prevent Clinton from being a two termer, they made sure that there wasn't a followon from

his vice president Gore, with dishonesty.

and by the by, Halliburton is a symptom, not the problem.

Do you live in boise? any salmon fishing near there?

.

Halliburton..........hmmmmmmmmmmm can you say :

conflict of interest? Cheney and George H.W. Bush with connections?

no compete bids?

did Negroponte excuse them from having their books looked into?

Why did that congresswoman in the so called debate say that Halliburton had dropped 9 Billion, that $9,000,000,000,000 NINE BILLION DOLLARS WAS UNACCOUNTED FOR IN DEALINGS WITH HALLIBURTON?

how much is 9 BILLION DOLLARS? Heck, I could get by on 1 BILLION. SEND ME MY SHARE....now!

.

come on, how about some :

content!!!!!

stand up for your dishonesty!!!!!!!! YOU have a right to a lawyer, anything that you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.......

this is public record.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

"Do you have any proof that it was not CSI propaganda like the El Zaquwari tale, psyop? Answer the question."

Pray (whatever is your name), what's a CSI propaganda ? Is this another Democratic recycled drivel, now that allegations against Halliburton has been muted, following Tom's response to Jim H. ?

are you losers double teaming me? :

howabout slavery in India, chatterjee?

regarding what a CSI is, it's about forensic information... :

it was a veiled reference to an earlier propagandafest by bush defending agencies of disinformation, foisting a dissection of a corpse purported to be the body of one of their own team, labeled a terrorist, or

"The evidence suggests that Zarqawi was part of a Pentagon disinformation campaign launched in 2003, which was initially intended to justify the US-led invasion of Iraq. This central role of Zarqawi as an instrument of war propaganda was recently confirmed by leaked military documents revealed by the Washington Post."

—Michel Chossudovsky, "Who was Abu Musab al Zarqawi?" June 8, 2006

comprende? burned any wives recently Deb?

.

by the way, :

whatever happened to that 19th bomber mous sassi or whatever his name was, the government hosted a website for him where you could listen to him rant about wanting to kill Americans and behead them....probably went back to his job at the base in Clearwater, doncha know...

ps. oh defender of your right to burn women and keep slaves... :

I'm not a Democrat, chatter jeebs

Tom wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To "...annoying..."

A couple of quotes from one of your recent postings...

"I was working at a company that sold security systems to Saudi at the time....and read about the conversation in an issue of Newsweek. I asked a friend of mine who was a Seal, and later in the CIA if it were possible that we would be that duplicitous. He said "of course," that's the way _we_ work. Perhaps you're aware that the whole Al Queada in Iraq thing was a PSYOP, and that Al Zaquirwi or whatever his name is was a BS story put together to convince the Iraqi people......and then later the world."

and,

"Saddam didn't drive out of bagdhad with 3 tractor trailers loaded with cash while surrounded, infiltrated, with all media communitcations being watched with 24/7 surveillance from the sky and ground by the most sophisticated technology available? The only way he escaped is he were assisted by our side."

Another quote from an earlier posting:

"there never were any WMD in Iraq, nor was there ever a belief that there was.

what there was the 2ND LARGEST OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD."

finally,

"doubt me, look it up"

I don't know why anybody would doubt you based on some of the bazaar statements you make, but the one that you quote Harold Meyerson gives me some sense that you are not dilusional.

Let me quote myself from a blog just above yours:

"...You are right, however, the rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer. There is an increasing disparity in our society..."

Let me just add that the standard of living in the US has been declining for decades (not just since 2000), so this is not just a Bush problem.

"And indians for outsourcing? How transparent is that?"

what are you talking about here? You must be confusing me for someone else as I have not commented on Indians yet.

sorry if you can't follow a thread :

but the facts are verifiable. Including Saddam supposedly leaving Bagdhad with three tractor trailer loads of cash while surrounded, during the second invasion. _THAT_ was on television.

The other reference to Al Zarqawi has been provided. Fantastic? Hardly, I worked in Washington for a number of years....Clinton was an outsider. Bush had been involved since the early 50's........pay attention....that is why they have term limits.

Delusional, look in the mirror if you want delusion. Check my facts.

If you want to have a conversation do that. If you want to somehow point out inconsistencies, good luck.

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To "...annoying..." once again:

In fact, because the US and India have a common enemy, namely, radical Islam, I strongly support them. The same goes for Israel.

I was referring to your position and debs being :

similar, of a "same mindset," obfuscating in the face of overwhelming evidence.

get it?

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

I am a Republican. I don't know what Deb is. What are you? Don't say you vote the candidate. I'm sick of hearing that.

ps. the U.S. doesn't have as an enemy radical Islam :

anymore than the Indigenous population of the United States was an enemy to the invaders........

we _made_ the Indigenous population into our enemy, sweet heart.

and the same ploy is being used again.

surely you've heard about that, Wounded Knee? broken treaties, poisoned water holes, blankets with smallpox on them?

wanna justa fy some thing, create monsters......it's called a spy ops

or psyop, budday....make up some garbage and repeat it over and over until it becomes like a coffee stain....

have the Executive Branch and Complicit Congress say,

Terrorists, Iraq and WTC/911 in the same 4 second soundbite, then 80% of the US troops in Iraq will think that Iraq attacked the United States,

because there is _no_ other justifiable reason for being there.

get it?

.

labels are for stupid people :

I don't vote with them or for them.......

I vote for effectiveness, that changes from time to time.

I dislike people that can't buy clothes except for the label. I feel like trash people buy for the labels......

me I look for double stitching, extra buttons, good quality, high thread count.......

I understand what I'm looking at. I don't need to buy the label.

Get it? I despise people that buy by the label.

are you a _good_ christian? what does that mean? you probably couldn't tell me the difference between buddhism or hinduism or sufism, or zorasterism.........

read much rumi?

.

I hate stupid people.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

whosoever, whatever wrote.

"I hate stupid people."

Then probably you would hate to look yourself in the mirror.

Deb Chatterjee, USA :

"similar, of a "same mindset," obfuscating in the face of overwhelming evidence.

get it?"

The only evidence we have (from open intelligence) is that USA, India, Israel are at war against radical Islam (not to be read as war against all Muslims). This effort would be significantly diminished if Democrats come in 2006 and 2008. You seem to disagree with me and Tom, but that's your prerogative.

Tom Wonacott, Boise, Idaho :

To "...radical..."

Bedtime.

weak people obfuscate :

or use childish tactics, you do both debs...

again, you want to talk about India?

step up or get out of my way....... you _are_ ineffective and weak.

.

I think weak and simple people need to pick a label/party/religion to :

define themselves.

they need to hold up some thing and say, that over there makes me worthy.

and it doesn't even matter if it's good or bad, it becomes _your_ symbol for worthiness, and if someone says it's unworthy, it feels like an attack on your

little childish self.

your little childish self is trying to protect itself with stories.

grow up.

.

I chose effectiveness, if you were on my team, I'd fire you.

Cyberman USA :

Does anyone where you live think that a Democratic Congress in the U.S. would be better for the world?

see you chatter jee...or is it cheekie adee? :

byeya

how about an honest congress, how about "representatives of the people." :

not a class.

How about requiring that _any_ elected official be able to pass an EBI w/poly.

like _any_ employee getting a Top Secret?

bush _could_not_get_a_clearance_ if his life depended upon it, without someone _excusing_ him from examination

and yet he has the nerve to classify incriminating evidence and appoint people into sensitive positions to avoid oversight.

John Negroponte', his fathers' good friend, is his choice as director of intelligence for the United States.

Negroponte' can jerk the pension of anyone that testifies against bush, as a congressional mandate.

Negroponte' also has by congressional mandate the ability to excuse any company from being audited or tax examined.

That is kinda weird dontcha think? Like why does bushes good buddy, the one that hid the terrorism paid for by the United States in Central America from oversight during his tenure in Honduras?

You say he's doing the _same_job_ in Irack?

what a surprise..... S.O.S.D.D. need a DUI fixed call Alberto Gonzales, he's for sale.

.

or this.... :

Columnist Settles in Propaganda Case
Associated Press
Monday, October 23, 2006; Page A06

Columnist Armstrong Williams has reached a settlement with prosecutors regarding payments he received from the Education Department to promote President Bush's agenda.

Under the agreement, Williams admits no wrongdoing but will have to pay $34,000. The deal was reached last week by Williams, the Education Department and its subcontractor, Ketchum Communications.
Armstrong Williams agreed to repay $34,000 of the $186,000 he received for promoting No Child Left Behind. (By Lucian Perkins — The Washington Post)

"The department is happy to see this matter come to a close," Katherine McLane, a spokeswoman for Education Secretary Margaret Spellings, said Sunday. "One of the first steps Secretary Spellings took when she came to office is to establish guidelines to prevent future occurrences of this type of situation."

A message left at Williams's office was not returned Sunday.

The settlement brings to a close a year-long investigation into the case after reports emerged that the Education Department contracted with several radio, television and print commentators to promote the No Child Left Behind Act.

Lawmakers criticized the contracts as an improper use of taxpayer dollars. Congressional auditors concluded the department engaged in illegal "covert propaganda" by hiring Williams without requiring him to disclose he was paid.

YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK TO DEFRAUD YOU!!!!

.

Bill Thornhill, UK. :

Oh god please let them win!! The world need to have Bush on some sort of leash. Dare I hope that he may then end up in front of a war crimes trail some time in the near future.

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA :

To all the "nameless" posters:

If you are going to disprove others, why not use your real names? It gets really tiresome. Would you guys rather be nameless and faceless, in addition to being shameless AND gutless AND spineless? Your ad hominem attacks on others are proving incredibly futile! Get a life, folks.

ad hominem attacks in addition to being what he claims others are :

Srikanth Raghunathan, Washington, D. C., USA....

oh the vainess of unscripted unveilings of truth, let us go to the sea and take a cup of seawater..

grow up little child and face your ugliness.

dearest ordinary pigeonholer of other souls based upon your proclivities for classifying information :

based upon your story.

You want peoples names so you can ignore what they are writing.

Your intelligence is not sufficient to understand facts and so instead you wish to build a straw man to defeat...

you are not worthy.

.

femininity as the counter point to :

parched lips.

Butterfly wings removing caterpillar dreams...(a reference to chaos theory for the unerudite)

Asking for a new page became he only way to be seen as an open ended fragment of excelsior.

puns on the frequency of quality fra graces....
n
velocity as a smil.

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peaches of love.

expression as effecte'

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Jordan, Los Angeles :

Most of my associates (I teach at Cal Poly) think a House controlled by the Democrats would be very good for the Reublican who runs for President in two years.
The quality and viewpoints of the majority of Democrats who are candidates for the House this year are so bad that should they be in the spotlight for the next two years it would sour the American public to such an extent that no Democrat would be elected President for a very long time.
It would make election of two Democrat presidents from 1976 to 1992
seem like heaven to Democrats.

Christian, Nod :

"Of the People, by the People, for the People."
The amrici always pretends somebody else is to blame.
Bush is the problem, the republicans are the problem, the iraqis are the problem.
Maybe, You're the problem.

Solange :

"I want to punish the neocons beginning with Bush if the Dems get in...I feel they ruined our country and that it will take a real
spotlight on their lies and hubris to gather the energy to start."

Starting with some answers about WTC 7's mysterious "suicide;" the alleged presence of thermite byproducts in WTC 1, 2 and 7's foundations months after the attacks; the rush to ship rubble and other physical evidence overseas following the attacks; the President's brother's company's involvement in WTC security in the months leading up to the attacks; reports by firefighters and other witnesses of multiple explosions throughout WTC 1 and 2 before their collapse; and other 9/11 related questions.

Whether the Democrats choose to investigate the issue and release information requested by 9/11 scholars and family members will offer some indication of how far they intend to stray from the current pathway laid out by H.W. and his fellow henchmen.

Solange :

And let us not forget the the $$$ trail ("put options" gamble that a company's stock will lose value):

From 911scholarsfortruth.org:

"In the weeks before 9/11, the US Stock market showed rather high levels of activity on companies that would subsequently be affected by the attacks. The afternoon before the attack, alarm bells were sounding over trading patterns in stock options. A jump in United Air Lines some 90 times (not 90 percent) above normal between September 6 and September 10, for example, and 285 times higher than average the Thursday before the attack, have been reported. A jump in American Airlines put options 60 times (not 60 percent) above normal the day before the attacks has also been reported. No similar trading occurred on any other airlines appear to have occurred.

Between September 6-10, 2001, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw suspicious trading on Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, two of the largest WTC tenants. An average of 3,053 put options in Merrill Lynch were bought between Sept. 6-10, compared to an average of 252 in the previous week. Merrill Lynch, another WTC tenant, saw 12,215 put options bought between Sept. 7-10, whereas the previous days had seen averages of 212 contracts a day. According to Dylan Ratigan of Bloomberg News: "This would be the most extraordinary coincidence in the history of mankind, if it was a coincidence. This could very well be insider trading at the worst, most horrific, most evil use youÔøΩve ever seen in your entire life. ItÔøΩs absolutely unprecedented."

On September 18, 2001, the BBC reported: "American authorities are investigating unusually large numbers of shares in airlines, insurance companies and arms manufacturers that were sold off in the days and weeks before the attacks. They believe that the sales were by people who knew about the impending disaster". According to the London Independent, October 10, 2001: "To the embarrassment of investigators, it has also emerged that the firm used to buy many of the 'put' optionsÔøΩwhere a trader, in effect, bets on a share price fallÔøΩon United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 by 'Buzzy' Krongard, now executive director of the CIA."

See

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1549909.stm

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=99402

The 9/11 Commission, after looking into the pre-9/11 stock trades, never denied their unusual nature. Instead, the Commission declared that al-Qaeda did not conduct the trades, and asked no further questions.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1566565847/qid=1120623441/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/103-8086269-4513445?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

Who, if not al-Qaeda, performed the incriminating trades? This information exists, it can be easily obtained, and it needs to be made public. Moreover, illegal money transfers may have been processed through computers housed at the World Trade Center shortly before planes crashed into the Twin Towers on 9/11. We demand a disclosure of the source of the put options and that this whole sordid affair receive a complete and public investigation.

See

http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/dec/17wtc.htm

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/industry/12/20/wtc.harddrives.idg/

Please Get Serioius :

WELL, THE WORLD THINKS SO. Europeans, particularly and certainly all of Asia, are widely reported to be watching with
trepidition, hoping for a change here—the question being is the whole country rotten or only our president. Does no one here read the international press? Did you think, in asking this fool question, that America is popular around the world? Or hated? Or that they wouldn't want a change? Good God.

Flakey Foont, City of Despair, State of Depression :

Now that the DummyCraps have taken control of the House of Representatives, stand by for a plethora of pork-barrel bills and outrageous tax increases. As an added injury, this will almost certainly mean a reduction in funding for the war on terror with more dead Americans as a direct result. Consequentially, my advice to everyone is to start drinking heavily.

~~~Flakey Foont
City of Despair
State of Depression

John Kelley, Reston, USA :

If not destroying something is saving it, then yes, they can.

M. Stratas :

Only the rich thrived under Bush in over 6 years therefore there are more people who will benefit in having a Democratic-controlled Congress, even if it is just to check the abuses of Bush. Having Democrats win is a big plus already because their victory brought Bush down to earth. Bush is a lousy leader because he acted as if he was not accountable to the American people. Yes, he was appointed by the Supreme Court in 2000 and he squeaked by in 2004. Because of these circumstances a mature-thinking individual would go out of his way to "persuade" the other side. Instead Bush acted like a jerk. Hopefully, the Democrats will learn from the crude & arrogant Republicans and not act like them. They can navigate their way around differences, be creative about solving the nation's big big challenges (Iraq, North Korea, Iran, deficits, etc.) the people of the world want the United States to remain a strong power with principles and decency.

John Kelley, Reston, USA :

If I can't get the first word in, I might as well have the last,,,

The Republicans, actually the nominal "Conservative" party in the US, have been repudiated by the voting public.

The reason for this repudiation was not because "conservative values" are wrong, but because those trumpeting said values had an agenda that could only be achieved by a bait and switch appeal to those values (the reasons for the shellacking the republicans received are manifold, but embarking on an orgy of corruption and graft before they actually held the keys to the kingdom wasn't a good idea). The true agenda was to establish a ruling class and a proletariat (read your Roman history). It would have worked, too, if not for the power of one-man, one-vote system and the unwillingness of the populace to vote themselves into a position of subserviance.

The Republic survives - thanks to the virtues of democracy.

Go USA!

rk, Oakland, USA :

The "thumping" that the republicans got on election day was the result
of more people coming to the conclusion that Bush & his party were lying
about Iraq from the start. Furthermore, and this may be more important,
that the republican party, far from being the place where good upstanding citizens reside, has the same percentage of crooks & perverts
that any organization of its size would.
As that great liberal republican Abe Lincoln once said: "you can fool some of the people all of the time & all of the people some of the time,
but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Will the democrats be able to magically transform Iraq into a peaceful
place or will the ultimate outcome be replacing one dictator with another. That is up to the Iraqis. If they are ready for democracy
they will ultimately get it. The locals know who the troublemakers are
better than the U.S. forces occupying the country do.
All this failed neo-con fantasy proves is the limits of military power.

futile eh?! :

reading my stuff a couple of weeks later is refreshing, I didn't know I was that smart or versatile...whatta guy.

so it looks like they've seperated some wheat from chaff, how's bout seperating some conspirators from freedom.

g o o g l e gates Negroponte Honduras Iran Contra

see what happens, arrest the Executive Branch and all of their families for treason.....it's simple if you actually pay attention.

g'day.

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Yousuf Hashmi :

Yes!!!!

unfortuantely last decade of republican rules we have witnessed the csuality of US credibility.

Although a handful of republicans were envolved in policy making decisions. we live in another side of hemisphere where people normally do not distinguish between republicans and democrats.

Democrats have to work hard to restore US credibility and ensure their allies to be a reliable partner.

The situation now is so much complicated that no dramatic results can be foreseen in near future. so this is possible that the world will not feel any immidiate difference however this is our honest opinion that the down ward slide will atleast be stopped.

we hope to see the Hillary and clinton be back in oval office and wash away the dirt with their wisdom during their tenure

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