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The Baptist Church is indeed a strange religion of the Protestant sect, full of superstition and erroneous doctrine. Working hand in hand with the apostate Catholic Church is stranger still.

If Dr. Willis doesn't know that Catholicism isn't Christian, he obviously doesn't know what Christianity is. The Catholic Church is drenched in the blood of thousands of Christians, Jews, and Muslims through religious wars, Crusades, and Inquisitions. The history of the Catholic church is rife with corruption, extortion, thefts, whoring, child molestation, and murders.

Jesus never killed anyone, neither did he advocate killing anyone, nor did he sanction killing anyone. He laid down his life rather than kill and commanded his disciples to follow his example. Christians, by definition, follow the example of Jesus Christ, who harmed no one at any time for any reason.

"No man can serve two masters."

"My sheep hear my voice and another master they will not follow."

Anonymous that would be one of the advantages of being omnipresent... No need to run anywhere as you are already there.

Phil:

I know nothing about Mr. Allam that I haven't learned here. Without knowing anything about the personal life of any "convert" -- just some Mr X, I know one thing for sure. All converts to anything are looking to improve their lives here and now.

With that thought in mind I can and must guess that where Mr. Allam was swayed at the time he converted by the difference in how a Muslim is treated socially and, in turn economically, that job opportunities etc played a primary role in his decision.

Btw, I find nothing wrong with that or a Christian in Baghdad converting to Islam. Those who cannot fight them have little choice except join them. Maybe Mr. Allum for some unknown reason wanted to become a subject at this blog?

Why is no one in this debate focusing on the desire of Mr. Allam to become a Catholic by accepting Jesus as his savior and seeking baptism. If he had not desired it, he would not today be a Catholic. No priest drags people into a Catholic church and baptized them against their will. Further, if I as a baptized Catholic decided to become an adherent of Islam no Catholic clergyman would kill me or call for my demise becuase of my conversion to Islam. At the least I would be prayed for a return to the Christian faith but killed, no.

Garyd:

Chinese-English dictionary.

tired, one who run in front of car
exhausted, one who run behind car
God, never tired, never exhausted, never run

The current article and the Papal baptismal act is and and was inflamatory.

The act of Conversion could have been done quietly and without fanfare. It could have been done either in a Mosque or in the Vatican, if it was done for a legitimate purpose. For it may be asked: What religious leader would deny such a genuine request? For surely the Priest involved in this process, if he was indeed a Priest, would only desire the best for the converting.

But the Conversion took place with as much fanfare as possible. This serves only one single purpose, Mr. Elliott: Generating wrath, just as you say. What kind of a religious leader, then, is the Pope, Mr. Elliott, if he promotes such deeds?

The story about the chair is a good one. It exposes how the poor who donate to the upkeep of their ministers have to pay for furnished offices: "What a pity, there's just a chair in the room!" Come to the east side, Sir, we are living under freeway bridges and burn such chairs for firewood.

Anon, one cannot lose what one never bothered to acquire in the 1st place.

Have the down and out really been robbed by the winners or was the money they lost only found? Finders keepers losers weepers.

Paganplace:

Without down there can be no up.
Without out there can be no in.
Without war there can be no peace?
For sure, without losers there can be no winners.

The headlines read, "French bank loses 7 billion dollars"
They could have read, "Somebody found 7 billion dollars"

Without losers there can be no finders, unless it's a robbery.

Things are never simple.

By the way guys if you think that the Pope went to Turkey for just being in a Moslem country, you are very mistaken. He went there to unite the Christian Churches. He wanted to fulfill the wish of his predecessor who wanted to "breath with two lungs".

The pope's prayer in the Mosque had no significance whatsoever.

His holiness the pope is a man of wisdom. He just wants to see Moslems converting to Catholicism; he wants to see the words of Christ spreading all over the Moslem world.

I heard the Germans are doing a good job in Bosnia!!

Funny thing about all the froth Harold quotes, there's still this:

"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her."

Once Holy Wisdom meant something to Book peoples.

Chokmah, I believe is the name. That 'Holy Spirit' that's turned into a synonym for 'Cognitively Overwhelmed Into Obedience' in so many churches, empires, and megachurches.

Could be an important part of your soul, there, oh-so-persecuted Christians.

Maybe if you get that back, you'll let the rest of us be.

Worth a try, I think, cause it seems the legions of the 'Prince of Peace' are spoiling for some kind of fight.

Hey, Rev. Elliot:

"the Christian religion has no specific penalty against leaving"

*koff.*

Would you care to test that hypothesis? You may find otherwise. :)

Sorry begone your barking up the wrong tree I am not a dispensationalist. My world view doesn't require Israel to even exist in order for the second coming to happen.

As it happens to some extent all governments are corrupt they simply can't help themselves wielding power is always a corrupting experience if one is less wise and less powerful than God.

Mo

Isn't the ultimate purpose of life, to navigate the landscape of our existence and survive its destructive forces, to seek after and acuqire knowledge about this existence using the tools of our senses, and the perceptions of the world they provide, and the consiousness of the world that they impress upon us, having evolved from the lower animals, this sensory apparatus for these purposes?

It might be plausible to assume a Providendial Deity at the ground of all being; yet what you suppose everyone to take for granted, this "Creator God" whom I assume you would call Allah, is merely, the social heritage based on your cultural setting, and your physical landscape, but in no way automatically nor univerally knowable to all people, but only to specific people with this special inheritance, who have studied certain and specific written texts out of all the many other millions of texts available to all the many millions who know nothing of your own personaal and individual tradition.

You know only what you have been told, in a very narrow field of speculative theology. And if you are not interested in knowing any more, then that is your choice, and I would consider you to be apathetic towards knowledge. But do not condemn others who do not share your apathy; nor even should you condemn others, who are as your mirror image, as apathetic with their personal setting and landscape, as you are with yours.

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Garyd:

You're not suggesting the government of Israel is corrupt are you? Horrors!! God's chosen people with a corrupt government? Israel is in the middle east isn't it? Remember to always include "except" in your blanket observations.

Israel must be preserved so the world can come to a proper end. "On Faith" is in favor of the world coming to an end, I guess. All the righteous are for sure.

Corrupt governments do to have a way of just hanging around even after they have been put down by "just cause" operations and free election as well. Turns out the recent big fight in Iraq was over rights to steal oil for sale on the black market -like drug cartels fighting over who has the right to sell illegal drugs in what alley.

We'll know peace on earth is at hand when the pope baptizes the Rabbi in charge of the temple wall -talking about building bridges that is.

So where should he have gone Mafouz? It is not permitted that an Infidel approach the shrines of Mecca nor would it have been safe for him to have gone anywhere else in Islamic lands.

Find me a government in the Middle East that isn't corrupt.

the generosity and orthodoxy of mankind.

mankind is civil by nature (the way the creator god created mankind)mankind is generious by nature .

mankind is orthodxyious by nature,the bottom line and the eternal truth about mankind is he/she is the creation of the creator god,every mankind is created from a tiny sperm,and the father of mankind(adam) was created from mud.

1-every mankind is equal under the creator god.

2-the generosity and orthodoxy of mankind is put in mankind by the creator of mankind not by the inspiration nor the culturation of mankind nor the inspiration nor the culturation of christianity ,the generiosity and orthoddoxity of mankind is the nature of mankind that could be propmoted and expanded by the right creed of the creator god only.

3-the big question and the big picture is how to promote civilty and orthodoxity in mankind ?what deviate mankind from his/her civility and orthodoxity?
4-have christianity promoted the above in mankind or dised and failed mankind?why the allmighty creator god even take a son??????and nail his son on the cross too for the generosity and orthodoxity of mankind mankind??????????????.
5-in order to promote the civilty and orthodoxity in mankind first of all you need the creator of mankind and the guidance of the creator of mankind who never begt nor begoten .this is the core messeage of islam and this is the core messeage of any divine book .

6-the generosity of the infallible pope will never lead mankind to none but more diseing,the generosity of the son of god????????????????????????????????????????????will never lead mankind to none but delusionism,none but romeoism and julietism!

7-none compulsion in relgion is the way of the creator god(god could ,v made every body one color and one lumb) and of course every body will pay for his/her choice.

8-the big picture of life and the purpose of life is not never not in the hand of the infallible pope nor in the hand nor at the time of the son who was nailed on the cross for the saftey and integration of mankind.

the integration of mankind is in the hand of the creator of mankind and according to the purpose of life that also created by the creator god.

Willis E Elliott sez, "His double yes gives him two sets of enemies and two sets of friends. All four sets will be chattering away during and after his visit to us Americans" and some other things about bridges and so on.

I wonder if Native Americans will welcome his holiness as one of those two sets of friends or enemies. I guess it's a matter of enough time passing so that the stolen property now in the Vatican's possession, gold in particular has changed title from them to his gang. Maybe there's 5 groups of folks to welcome the pope to America?

If gold can change title all by self given enough time then maybe other things too.

Anonymous is right. If the pope is sincere about peace, he shouldn’t have gone to Turkey and stood next to the imam in the Blue Mosque.

The Bush Neocon administration wanted Turkey to be a model for moderate Islam to the Moslem world. However, those who know Turkey and Turks well enough know that Turkey will be a model for disaster to the Moslem world.

They also wanted Turkey to be a model for democracy. But, with the recent events, the case against the Erdogan government, it shows that Turkey is model for corruption, moral degeneration, military rule, and Kemalist dictatorship.

Therefore, reality has it that the average Turk doesn't know anything about democracy and Islam. And they must stop telling the world the crap about their country being a "Bridge" between the Islamic World and the West.

If they stop all of this stuff, or at least fix themselves up, then the attempts of using Turkey by the West to attack the Moslem world will stop.

Anonymous that is one of the larger bits of absolute garbage anyone not named Berlinerblau has yet posted here.

The pope faced Mecca in Turkey not in Egypt,Syria,or even Saudi Arabia. To his left, in the Sultan Ahmet Mosque, was Aia Sofia. This is Turkey. Turkey isn't Moslem now and it is not run by Moslems. The one who closed the Aia sofia for Islamic prayer was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, who is not a Moslem but a Crypto Jew from Salonica.

Followers of the pope should have been angery if the pope prayed in a real Moslem country. Turkey is a country in which a Moslem Woman can marry a Christian. This is not Quran.This is not Islam.

The Pope wants war with Moslems. The efforts of the US to destroy the Islamic culture-- using Islam as an enemy after communism vanished-- suites the pope's agenda.

This is how the pope will be understood in the Moslem world

Dr. Willis

I don't know whether I have change or whether you have, but I like you better than I used to. It is probably me.