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Even in countries where the law permits abortion for rape victims, women who seek the operation can encounter a wall of obstruction. In Peru, a 17-year-old girl discovered that her foetus had anencephaly - meaning that it was going to be born without a brain - but a doctor refused to allow her access to an abortion. She was compelled to give birth and breastfeed the child for four days before its died.

In the Sante Fe province of Argentina, a social worker told the organisation Human Rights Watch about a woman who went into hospital after having an unsafe abortion and was bleeding badly. "A doctor started to examine her, and when he realised, he threw down his instruments and said: 'This is an abortion. You go ahead and die'."

Catholic conscience at work - lovely!

to BGone: :

uh, check your religion at the door, and then try to say souls are not theorectical - then we can talk.

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I did! I did! I ain't got no religion and I don't have any religion either. Devil worship is out for me. It's easy to check nothing.

I'll bite. Souls are not theoretical? So there really is an underworld and that bird headed critter really does have a filing cabinet full of souls? That's a better faith than Devil worship to my way of thinking but it too has a few flaws, flat earth to mention an easy one.

Show me that http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul is wrong, that Moses really did have a conversation with a supernatural being that lives in fire. Then give me just a shred of evidence that critter in the fire is God.

I have a very open mind. Show me your evidence. How's your mind? Is it open? Waiting for the evidence.

Linda,
Thanks for the clarification. I thought Byron's column was very much to the point, but then I am Catholic. We're pretty mainstream, by the way.

I do not worry about having a body, mind and soul connection with my doctor. We are more then Body and healing one sometimes means touching on all three.

If I have a heart problem, I might need meds..but I also need to do some meditation to lower my stress.

What I want is a doctor that can deal with all three parts of who I am...but according to what I believe, not him.

terra

uh, check your religion at the door, and then try to say souls are not theorectical - then we can talk.

My Docs name is to long and to foreign to pronounce. She wears a small bell on her collar that rings along with her sing song accented English. A nurse whispered it to be from some religious temple from wherever this young woman doctor came from. At times her accented English really needs a translation to be understood. Following several weeks of medical tests I sat in the doctor’s office awaiting the results. The tingling bell was at the door long before the first knock. She entered with the tests results in one hand and some serious eye contact. Raising her hand she spoke two distorted words that seemed to say –“Angalicen Kataolik” – and paused for my response.
In uneasy bewilderment I raised my hand replying – “no, Southern Baptist” -.
Wheeling around and out of the room her single little temple bell came through as strong as any cathedrals peals. I really wanted to know more about that bell but both the opportunity and her bell faded as she quickly walked away.

"I think it is a false dichotomy to ask whether a physician's primary relationship is to the patient or the patient's religion. Of course, there is a primary relationship is to the patient, but the patient is a person, composed of body and soul, and that unique person's religion must not be ignored in the physician-patient relationship."

People who take issue with Father Byron are conveniently ignoring his central thesis -- that the doctor's primary relationship is to the patient.

Readers who wish to ignore the mission of the Jesuits, 'cura personalis,' would do well to use their good friend Google. St. Ignatius and his followers throughout history are interested in attention to the whole person: intellectual, spiritual, psychological, and physical. Why would you be surprised that a Jesuit talks about care for the soul?

For what it's worth: I'm not Catholic. I just read.

Correction:

Souls are not theoretical. They are clay tablets used by Satan, the "accuser" to record sins during the lie detector test given to the regenerated dead in the underworld. Souls are for real. Here comes the malpractice suits.

There's pictures at http://www.hoax-buster.org of souls. Satan is being disguised by saying He is the same angel, (god) as the leader of the fallen angels, Lucifer, the one who would be God,, if He could only get God out of heaven. Satan is a good angel working in a very important position for God sorting out saints and sinners using high tech equipments.

God knows more than Mark Twain gave Him credit for knowing. God knew about lie detectors 3,000 years ago while Mark never heard of such a thing. The lie detector relieves God of the problem of watching everyone all the time.

Rather than argue with, "composed of body and soul" or point out that souls are theoretical I'll simply give an example of "soul" medicine.

TRUE STORY although I don't have a reference, maybe LA Times.

A New Yorker, I think, was cursed and knew it. He traveled to LA in his VW automobile bringing all his money, $527,000 or thereabouts (within 10,000). His objective was to get the curse lifted by a South Central Witch Doctor, a doctor of soul.

She took the money and the VW, (because the money wasn't quite enough) spoke the magic words and phrases. But the curse wasn't lifted as advertised.

Then the LA DA got involved. I don't know how he found out but it made the newspaper. And I don't know the outcome even. The Witch Doctor was charged with fraud.

So the question is: wasn't that malpractice, a civil situation and not criminal? She obviously did not do a proper job of magic words, phrases and whatever else Witch Doctors do.

Why wasn't the Witch Doctor protected by the first amendment, a matter of religious practice? When doctors fail in their "body AND soul" duties the situation is malpractice.

Can those who treat "souls" be sued for malpractice? Lucky them. Their victims won't find out they're victims until they're dead.

I suggest that Byron consider withdrawing his response. He clearly misread the question as relating to the patient's religion, whereas it relates to the doctor's religion. In that context his response makes no sense.

Rev,

I don't ask my doctor to treat my soul. I expect him/her to treat my body. I'll take care of my own soul.

What I resent is a doctor who refuses to treat my body based on his/her beliefs concerning my soul.