Mel Gibson: Religion and the troubled artist

What fraction of people who still use the N-word do you suppose DON'T consider themselves Christians?

STOP with the sanctimony. You just got me to feel a snippet of sympathy for Mel Gibson that I had thought impossible.

I would say that maybe half of history's more talented religious artists have been pretty much like Mel Gibson - utterly spoiled and arrogant.

There are no perfect people on the planet, and, while one is obligated to be moral and Mel Gibson is not, there is no obligation to uphold "standards". Do you uphold standards? I don't think so! You clearly forgot all about Our Lord's constant attacks on hypocrisy.

I've got to correct that. The term moral is too easily confused with setting standards, and what I think Mel Gibson is obligated to have, as a human being and not as a public figure or religious whatever, is humanity.

My father, a minister, preached half his sermons on Pharisees, Scribes, and humility.

"10. Two men went up into the Temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a Publican.
11. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself ( was God even involved in this prayer at all?), God, I thank You, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this Publican.
12. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13. And the Publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto Heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one who exalts himself (exalted by the works of the Law which he was accomplishing by his own self effort) shall be abased; and he who humbles himself shall be exalted."

You'd better review your Bible, before you start preaching about religion.

Ol' Mel's a product of his generation and his religion. Anti-Semitic, homophobic and racist - a proud, card-carrying member of Bill Donohue's Catholic League.

Why does it always seem that the most orthodox (and public about that orthodoxy) tend to be the one's who violate the basic tennets of that faith? (or just good old fashion decency?)

What does god, any god, have to do with it?

I get so tired of listening to disaster victims thanking a merciless, vindictive, violent god for something.

"My mobile home has just been destroyed and all 83 members of my family were eviscerated by the marauding pit bulls that got out of Bubba's kennel, but I thank god for saving my dead kid's pre-school graduation diploma. I am so blessed!"

What hypocrisy!

Mel Gibson a troubled artist? From the recordings of Mel Gibson with his wife I would say that he is a deeply troubled person. I doubt that we will hear from him "artistically" for a long time, if ever again. The word artist is overused in the media, just like the word narrative. I would hope that because Mel Gibson is considered an "artist" he will not be treated any differently for the abuse of his wife.

Always aware that Gibson is a longtime right-wingnut, christian, this comes as no surprise whatsoever!

Many people who display talent nationally, and often of the highest order, such as Frank Lloyd Wright, etc., also display questionable behavior in their personal life. We can criticize their personal behavior, and that is our right or preference, but that behavior doesn't mean they are diminished in stature as artists. An artist's life cannot be reduced to his personal behavior at any one time, or even more than one time. Who is Mel Gibson? His personal life would be meaningless to us and he wouldn't get any attention from us if it were only for his display of domestic violence. We attack him because we want everything he has done in the public sphere to be reflected in his personal life. Oh, come on, what IS the message of the bible? God, forgive them for they know not what they do. Love your crooked neighbor with your own crooked heart.

The TEA Party should hire him for fundraising. He stands for everything it does! Tea Party, stand behind Mel! He's a Christian and he can treat people however he wants because we are forgiven.

Why would Mr Gibson have any trouble reconciling his racist and violent outburst with religion?

Throughout history religion has been associated with violence (crusades, inquisitions, torture, burning of people alive, etc), and racism (colonialism, slavery, justification for slavery, etc). Oh, and did I mention complicity, or at the very least silence, during the holocaust? That should cover anti-semitism nicely.

Simply stated, Mr. Gibson and religion go hand and hand.

IMHO, Mel Gibson is a handsome man and adequate artist, but he lives a catastrophic life.

According to Gates of Repentance, a standard work of Jewish ethics written by Rabbenu Yonah of Gerona, if someone commits a sin, a forbidden act, he can be forgiven for that sin if he performs teshuva (penance), which includes:

* Regretting/acknowledging the sin;
* Forsaking the sin (see below);
* Worrying about the future consequences of the sin;
* Acting and speaking with humility;
* Acting in a way opposite to that of the sin (for example, for the sin of lying, one should speak the truth);
* Understanding the magnitude of the sin;
* Refraining from lesser sins for the purpose of safeguarding oneself against committing greater sins;
* Confessing the sin (see below);
* Praying for atonement;
* Correcting the sin however possible (for example, if one stole an object, the stolen item must be returned or if one slanders another, the slanderer must ask the injured party for forgiveness);
* Pursuing works of chesed (kindness) and truth;
* Remembering the sin for the rest of one's life;
* Refraining from committing the same sin if the opportunity presents itself again;
* Teaching others not to sin.

Whether one is Jewish (as I obviously am), Roman Catholic, as Mr. Gibson is, Protestant, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, or any other religion, the way to wholeness varies very little. There’s little mystery about the Way to Peace, but Mr. Gibson hasn't chosen it. I hope he will.

All religious zealots are hypocrites. It's one of the requirements when you sign up.

It's always strange to read the statements of the defenders of Christian-Supremacists. From pedophile priests to anti-choice terrorists to Mel Gibson, they suddenly become agents of tolerance (how ironic), then issue the old "nobody is perfect" line. Gibson will probably end up with a slot on Fox "News" along with many other mentally unbalanced losers.

Why does everything have to become a soap box for right or left? Mel Gibson is a raging alcoholic on a years-long bender. His moral compass is about as out-of-whack as possible so it's not surprising that the dark nether regions of his soul are bubbling up. Piety is sometime a mask for real darkness; Mel is not alone (see, e.g., Jim & Tammy Faye, Taggert, etc. etc.). I haven't paid to see a Mel Gibson movie (and switch the channel when they show up on satellite)since the first round of tirades; I also don't watch any Woody Allen or Roman Polanski films as I quaintly don't believe in supporting pedophiles. It's about as simple as that; people should vote with their pocketbooks. If the behavior is disgusting -- don't reward it. It may not change their behavior but it sure makes me sleep better.

Whenever profess to be "a good Christian", it's time to hold on to your wallet, your wife, girlfriend or significant other. Mel Gibson, George Rekers, the Rev. Haggard, or the Rev. Falwell. Makes no difference.

This man, and it goes without saying, is deeply troubled! And all the money in the world, which he does have, is not enough to cure the malady.Tragic. Truly tragic.

I am an Afro-American who has enjoyed Mel Gibson for many years. I pray that some of the horrific beating Christ took for our sins was for Mel.

Mel seems to hold no allegiance to anyone but himself. The verbal viciousness Mel spat towards his child’s mother is sad. Mel beating the mother of his child while she was holding it shows a lack of manhood.

Mel’s self destruction is sad to see. I hope he gets help.

The true genius of Christianity is that the Christian is always right, and on those rare occasions when the Christian *may* be wrong, he or she is forgiven. You can't lose being a Christian.

This is a no brainer. People who are deeply religious are deeply disturbed, it's why they flock to it.

Gibson is an actor.

His private life, no matter how awful, needn't be hung out for the world to see and pass judgement upon.

He may be a less than polished gem of human speciman, but most others are no better.

Watch his films, or don't.

Hi: Mel Gibson is a sinner. So are most individuals, but unfortunately, his is very public. Traditional Catholics are very unhappy with his conduct. He normally would be under interdict or excommunication for his conduct, but because he owns his own building, hired his own Chaplain, and is under no particular Bishop, it is an impossibility. Let's pray for him, and hope we do better before our life ends.

I think we should leave the last word to God. God, what do you think? God? God? Hello. You there?

Mel Gibson is an alcoholic and as such is not thinking straight. When you take drugs, you lose your moral compass eventually, and it appears that he is spiraling. As for the conservative Catholic church, no way would he be excommunicated for this particular behavior or comments. Excommunication is entirely a different matter all toghether. Mr. Gibson has some very serious problems, it is too bad that they are out in public. Of course it does not help him that he allowed himself a relationship with a woman who obviously got pregnant on purpose and is a gold digger, thus the recordings. She knew exactly what she was doing and if she could not get money from him one way, she decided a little blackmail might do wonders.

let's not forget the "sugar t!ts" comments to the female cop, and his other sexual slurs that I can't post here.

The man is a creep, he's always been a creep, he'll most likely always be a creep.

It's not because he's a drunk, it just what he is .. a two-timing cheating, screwing arouond on his wife with women half his age while talking about being a devout Catholic.

next will find out he backs hitler.

Yes Gibson is troubled, allright. He is, to put it bluntly, a racist, sexist, anti-Semitic prick.

America's Founder and Prophet, Thomas Jefferson, called Gibson's "church" "the real Anti-Christ" in a letter to Th. Kercheval.

It appears Mel is serving it perfectly appropriately.

Oh wait, that's right, he's a member of some hate based christian sect.

How does Mel do what?

The man is supposedly diagnosed as having BIPOLAR disorder.

That's a genetically mediated problem ~ if you're lucky you're only crazy half the time. If you're not lucky and you start self-medicating anything could happen.

Amazingly he's had a pretty decent film career, and that's quite likely a consequence of the editors being able to cut the really bad stuff.

Ted Turner is pretty open with his condition. He accepts the best treatment possible, and he still goes nuts and says and does all sorts of things. Amazingly he hasn't done the "run naked down the street" thing, but I've known those who have.

Again, self-medication only complicates the situation.

And this silly woman who thought she could make some money on this? She's just stupid.

TESS9 ~ still for every million killed on account of religion, the Atheists around Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others killed ten million.

Your side is looking none too good.

Yes, Gibson is an aholio, no doubt about it. So what? How does this effect my life? Religion??????? Your kidding me right. Your religion says do not judge less you be judged.

BLOOMMARKO4 ~ Mr. Gibson belongs to his father's church. It's a slightly different version of Catholicism than you are familiar with.

The RCs don't recognize it.

Ergo, if Gibson is a Roman Catholic he's kept that well disguised. I'm more prone to believe he's just a lapsed Reformed Jew.

I would hardly call Mel Gibson an artist. He was a Hollywood pretty boy; he is now the Hollywood cliche fadedstar, loosing his looks, an alcoholic, a religious maniac, a homophobe, a racist, a womanizer, a woman-hater, yada, yada, yada ...

It is a little humorous to hear his Christian apologists say things like "no one is perfect ... "

There is a big, Big, BIG!!! difference from being perfect, and being Mel Gibson.

Writing about Gibson is a waste of time. Why bother?

The man is scum personified.

Mel Gibson's movie made 700,000,000 dollars for Mel Gibson, and that's the important thing.

Why not get just an absolutely brilliant professor from Syracuse whose career involves diluting religions and get him to harp on Mel Gibson for a while and return to the theme of 'The Passion of the Christ" was a terrible movie and Christians are hypocrites and Imagine there's No Nothing. What a load of garbage. Gustav, maybe you can get ya a talk show like Joy Behar.

Not only did she likewise threaten him, she also missed her cue. When he says the n-word, she is supposed to express the moral outrage we all feel today. Yet she didn't. Why?

Just more entertainment.

move along folks, nothing to see here, if Mel is really a Christ follower, he is still growing and changing, and God is still drawing Mel toward Himself, let Mel learn and grow from his many mistakes, are you perfect?

Why remove my post that recognizes balancing, truthful facts?

Oksana threatened him. It's right there on the tape. "You're gonna answer one day, you're gonna answer."

And then when he used the n-word that causes us all to experience moral outrage at its sound, Oksana is silent. She expresses no objection to its use.

Why?

Removing my earlier post that pointed out these facts just causes me to believe that this blog is devoted to hate-mongering.

Phil6
move along folks, nothing to see here, if Mel is really a Christ follower, he is still growing and changing, and God is still drawing Mel toward Himself, let Mel learn and grow from his many mistakes, are you perfect?
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In between being perfect and being a sluht alcoholic racist opportunist hypocrite, there is plenty of room for imperfection.

A consistent pattern of virulent homophobia, racism, intolerant religious fanaticism and violent domestic abuse are hardly "indiscretions". Gibson is an actor, an entertainer, a movie maker - an artist is something totally different. The man is obviously sick and needs help, but his arrogant lack of remorse points towards incarceration rather than rehab.

Does anyone need a reminder that Gibson is a human and not an angel?
Humans do make mistakes.
There is room for improvement for Gibson.
There is room for improvement in myself and yourself

When Jesus was on earth he displayed understanding for the troubled ones, the greedy ones, the depraved ones....What he never condoned was the Judgmental ones.
I have no sympathy for the racist actions of Mel Gibson. But I feel deeply sad by this column overtly judgmental tones. Nobody is perfect. We are all sinners and we are not obliged to be perfect as Christians. We are obliged to have faith and to ask God's grace in the face of our sins in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who otherwise do not have sins??? If the author does not have them...He should be throwing in the first stone.

In between being perfect and being a sluht alcoholic racist opportunist hypocrite, there is plenty of room for imperfection. Maybe, one day, Mel will learn that. In the meantime, he can do us all a favor by sobering up and staying out of our face.

It kind of goes with the territory for fundamentalist religious types to be racist. Sad to say, but this isn't surprising is it?

It is obvious Mel, rarther than condemning him needs some form of professional help to assist him in overcomming what appears to be some form of manic depressive condition before he mentally collapses in a big heap.I only hope his closer friends can guide him in the right direction, so he can once again find his dignety.Its help and compassion he needs not finger pointing

This issue is bigger than Mel Gibson. It's not uncommon for a woman to have her life threatened by a man. It's one of the most ignored problems in our society. Hopefully if something good comes of Mel's exposure it will be a national conversation about the level of accepted violence against women in our country.

Vicious punks are a dime a dozen, anti-semitic, anti-Black and otherwise. This applies equally to obscenely wealthy and hypocritcal punks such as the ostentatiously "Christian" Mel Gibson.
Jesus wept indeed.

He a feakin actor for gosh sake!

He a feakin actor for gosh sake!

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Lately, just a freak.

Wait, are you actually asking how a religious person can be a hypocrite?

Tee hee.

I have some disagreements with my Russian Orthodox Church.
I am gay.
I didn't like the Gibson's first movie. Though Romans speaking Latin (and drinking all the time for some reason) and Jewish speaking Hebrew were absolutely astonishing.
But I truly loved his second movie "Apocalipto".
And I love his acting starting from MadMax.
Why would I care of his own problems with gays, anti-semitism or whatever else?
The guys stands out for his artistic and director's performance.

Gibson hates Jews and women, and he thinks he's the center of the universe.
Sounds like a model Catholic.

“In purely biblical terminology, the kind he claims to understand better than any of us, Mel Gibson is unclean. He is an outcast leper. He long ago crossed the line that separates the darkness from the light. He is a classic example of a man whose moral compass is cruel, rigid, and doctrinaire. I would love it if he made another jesus movie. Mel, now revealed as vindictive little con man, meets the impostor known as jesus christ of Nazareth. What a fascinating movie that would make...!

Pandering to christians by making movies does not make gibson religious. Any more than jimmy swaggart and ted haggard making money by pitching religion on tv to the same audience in any way makes them religious. Hucksters trying (and succeeding) to make a ton of bucks off the rubes is a timeless calling indeed. The blinders that true believers willingly put on is truly unbelievable.

Well, think about Sally Quinn, whose picture is at the top of this column, which she moderates. She got her job by having an affair with her boss and breaking up his marriage, and then scheduled their son's wedding -- at the National Cathedral -- for the same day that her husband's granddaughter was getting married across the country. And then Sally celebrated the fact that this wasn't a problem because no one had been invited to both weddings, not even family members including herself and her husband Ben Bradlee. Maybe Sally should remove the log from her own eye at the same time that her column is castigating Mel's dreadful behavior.

Nobody is asking for Mel Gibson to be "perfect", only to follow the law and to be a fairly decent man. He does neither.

There is nothing Christian about him, if you compare hos doctrines and his behavior with what's in the New Testament. Then, there is very little that's Christian about ANY of the so called Christian churches. They are mostly openly or potentially violent, domineering, money-hungry, male hierarchy, self-serving institutions.

How could he? Is that a serious question? Why no problem,just follow the examples,repeated over and over through out history of Popes,current and past, Holy Kings,"Rent Boy.Com Preachers,many Congressmen,Presidents, Govenors,Movie Stars,etc,etc,etc.
But in todays world,just go on T.V. with your wife,cry a little, and tell everyone,"Jesus Has Forgiven Me". Then repeat step one again.
This is how you get away with murder,use religion and forgiveness as your excuse,after all,you are a follower,that makes you better than the unwashed.

First off, Gibson is an addict. Addicts frequently immerse themselves in religion to an extreme degree even when they are not in recovery because it is just another facet of their addiction. It soothes the same demons that the alcohol/drugs soothe. That's also why some people in recovery turn to religion - it's drugs lite. Many addicts are addicts because they are essentially self-treating a mental illness - I believe Gibson is one of those people.

Moreover, many extremely "religious" people are filled with hate for other groups. Religion is used to justify that (God says I should hate homosexuals) or to reassure them (I'm a sinner, but I love God, so I'm saved and it's ok that I'm a racist).

I'm not saying all religious people are mentally ill or addicts or secret racists, but there are a lot of people who are drawn to religion for those reasons.

I've listened to portions of that tape. If it really is Gibson (and I believe it is), the level of venom is breathtaking. I seriously doubt his sanity and have been speculating which mental illnesses are at the forefront. I suspect that he has always been this way and has been self-medicating with religion - using it to give his life rules and structure so that he can present an acceptable face to the world. But it's all falling apart now as the veneer drops away. I suspect that his wife and kids went through living hell.

He was Hollywood's golden boy for a long time. I enjoyed many of his movies as a child. But I think he should back away from the spotlight now and work on himself, since he appears to have put that by the wayside for far too long.

In those tapes, he basically shows himself to be a physically and verbally abusive racist and sexist. I refuse to boycott artists I enjoy who have differing viewpoints from me for the most part. I also don't boycott artists who live depraved lives - I don't care if they cheat on their spouses or use drugs or whatever. But when an artist steps forward with a "message" and then lives in direct contrast to that message, they lose credibility in my eyes, as does their work. When they show themselves to hold such fundamentally objectionable views and behave with depraved cruelty towards another person to that degree, I can't separate that from their work. Setting aside the racism and the sexism, just the fact that he hit her was really bad, but the fact that he hit her hard enough to break her teeth and told her she deserved it after the fact is pretty much beyond redemption in my view. You're damn right I'm boycotting his work.

WHY DO WE CARE? People give him too much credit and press time. He is just a simple minded human being.
STOP the presses and clear the pages....don't write about him!
WOW! That is simple....
Just stop giving him space.

Mel Gibson has alcohol problems so sever his that alcohol poisoning causes psychotic episodes. The poor wreck of a man needs detox, rehab, and a lot of psychotherapy. With them he might be able to pull himself together and someday look back at his craziness with embarrassment. Without them he will probably die from this disease, which has killed many before him.

Enough said.

Republican fundamentalists do it all the time. And the Press just eats it up. If only they knew that the vast majority of us who don't subscribe to idol worshipping could care less...

In his sober moments I know that Gibson is as appalled as anyone at what comes out of him in drunken rages. He is a walking tragedy play. It is a grim joke that the woman he left his ever-forgiving wife for should turn out to be just another hag in it for the money. Speaking of the "n" word, I was deeply offended while riding a DC public bus with about 10 teenagers of color who kept using the word over and over while addressing each other. And they were not, to my knowledge, drunk.

Me Gibson is a despicable human being. He also seems to suffer from the god delusion. As far as I can see these two facts are not related.

"K A F i R" aka/ Islamic Ummah's "K" Word is worse than using the American (slang, or street colloqual) "N" word. Note: There is a Nation in Africa called "NIGER-ia".

If anyone wants to hear the "N" word used Every-Day, by All kinds of Mixed Multitudes; Then please (go Undercover, if ye don't believe i,US) Ride New York City or Chicago's Trains & or Buses; Especiall When KIDS r going to School & From School! You will act as though ye hath Virgin Ears!?. Then come back to this Web Site & tell Truth.

So Brother MEL GIBSON will start Smelling like a Rose Again; and those Jealous Folks (or Evil) will swallow/digest their own stinky Body Wastes!

WOW; Talkin about INFERiOR (Bigot, big Mouths, Hypocraps etc..) KIDS & inferior Americans, includes their blind or jealous Parents, playin Double or even having triple STANDARD PSYCHOSIS's!

PS: WE [i] LOVE Mr. Mel Gibson! Note: He is Macho like Muhammad was or Moses & Co. Soo, Please HUMAN(s) inferiors [unlike US HUUMATE(s)] Stop Scapegoating. Blame, cticize or Write about someone else; like 3rd Term Mayor Bloomburg; A Stupid Man (reGODless how much money he she hath).
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Dear Dumb naive Bloggers(not the Smart ones); Pleazza watch Brethren MEL GiBSON's up & comming new movie called, "AMERICAN's & their Daily Use of the "N" Word" the sequal.

Good News. Mel Gibson & CO., will be making a Movie based on "AMERiCAS NEW FAiTH/RELIGION/BELiEF as Promised" Huumanity [APOCALYPTiC Faith aka EKLAH-t-iON System via the Ultra-Paratestament of the New-Song)]"

O' Jealous Satanic VerUS Loveing Judeo-ABEic-Ju's; Jealous Judeo-Abe-Xrstians; Jealous Judeo-Abe-Islami's; and Jealous-Vedic-Hindi's; Jealous Judeo-VEDic-Buddhists & all other PRE-APOCALYPTIC iNdividuals & or Their Church's & or their Nation's Religion Systems of Today; NOt of Morrow!

VOTE: Abolish Theocracy & Monarchy Off The Face Of S.pace S.hip Earth Forever!

WE [i] L O V E -- M E L -- G i B S O N & C O.!

Ye Do NOt Understand Him, nor Yeselves nor Ye G-D(s) competing Systems. Secret: Mel Gibson is part of The Prophecy! Ands so is WAPO & CO.; Since Holyi-TiME is our best Medicine; Then soon Ye will see the Prophecy become a genuine Apocalyptic Revealation.!

I wonder if Danny Glover is rolling over in the back seat of his taxicab?

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I too did a double take to see the homewrecker adultress Sally Quinn somehow elevated to an authority on religion/morals. I guess people have short memories and/or WAPO doesn't give a rodent's ass about their readers' intelligence. She should be removed.

As for Mel, he is a sick man. Most of his older movies I liked but starting with Braveheart I saw a love for gratuitous blood and gore which was disturbing. His Jesus movie was disgusting. I don't doubt that he is bi-polar and an alcoholic. Now he is being preyed upon by a Russian gold digger who's wired for sound. His life is out of control.

His father was a holocaust denier, so why is everyone surprised that he's an anti-semite?

Also, don't use this wreck of a man as a justification for hating the Roman Catholic church. It has enough problems, including the former Bishop of Bruges who molested his nephew for many years, and whose resignation resulted in 500 people coming forward and claiming they were abused by Belgian priests.

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If Ye want to truly (opposite MYTH) to eliminate the "N" Word in America THEN;

Please Do NOt buy nor Download or Listen, anymore, to ANY Black-Artists (Rappers/Singers & via their Agents) Racist Music who keep using the "N" word in their, not MEL GIBSON's or OUR, Lyrics/Music; not only in Public but in Private too!

Note: i [WE] art NOt Drunk nor High Either Now!

Stupid [black, now White] AMERICAN's! They r Their own Worse Enemies; yet We art their Victims?! Then they ("N" Word Abusers) want to blame the Whites or Foreigners for the Blacks selling Drugs in their NABE'R-HOOD/Ummah destroying it & then calling each other (publically & Privately) "N" on a daily Bases!?

S H AA M E -- O N -- A M E R i C A N S! Talkin about "N"rs! (The Dumb 10-faced & fork-Tongue evil blacks like islami-ameri N.O.I's LUIS FAR{RAKHAN & Co., also evil White folk & in between acting like as if be "Black-Ameri-Folk" but who still use the "N" Word here & there) as it is still Cool & in Vogue & or Style to so say n use betwqeen them; but Not i or Mel et al?! Soo

IF if a 'White-MON/WOM uses the "N" word on a Train or Bus or Public (Freidianly Slipped or inadvertly recorded); Then G-D & GOV comes down on them Hard!?? Like Mr./Brother MEL GiBSON (a Genius) & those Similarly situated.

Pleazza: H A T E, via the "N" word et al, by the Public, is an Abused American & English Word. Wake-up Mon/Wom's!

PS: YOU ALL r a bunch of "N"gr's Yeselves! Not MEL & Similar situated. He is NO "KKK" nor "WHITE-CRACKLING" big mouth Nation Of Islam; and this (topic) is just for Starters YO! Aye, Nay?

Mel, is mentally struggling with good and evil. He has emotional ups and downs because he is at a crossroad in his life. I believe God's Holy Spirit is dealing with him and he just needs to turn back to God to find peace and contentment in his life.

I don't think that Mel Gibson's problems are religious. I strongly suspect that Mr. Gibson is having mental problems due to excessive drinking over many, many years. Alcohol kills brain cells. And, eventually, alcoholism takes a toll on the mental ability as well as physical ability.

I lived with a raging alcoholic as a child, and I see that person again in the things that I have read about Mr. Gibson's behaviors.

Mr. Gibson doesn't need religious redemption or anything else right now. He needs to be in a detox center for the minimum of at least 6 months, preferably a year.

Mel Gibson whipped Jesus Chris a second time to make millions.

There are plenty of entertainers whose work I enjoy whose religious, political, and social beliefs clash with my own. I don't buy a movie ticket in order to form a spiritual relationship with the actor on the screen. I buy a movie ticket in order to see actors portray a story.

My ex wife had a mouth like gibson,in a custody war I was told taping someone without their consent was illegal,how times have changed

PS: Beside Brother MEL GiBSON (like Huitar) That W E ("APOCALYPTiC-ON"s) A L S O L O V E -- B R O T H E R:

A R U N --- G A N D H i (a WAPO persecuted Moderator). Shame on YE Pre-Apocalyptic Kali like, Judeo & No-Judeo 'Hypocraps alike !

Please see:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/arun_gandhi/

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under: American Hypocracy! A, B, C. Where A [Jews making fun of none-jews] B [Blacks & Whites calling Each other the "N"gr words] & C [Arabs/Islami's calling Blacks or darker folk lalala).

PS: i ["JJ"] Was Raised by Black-Ameri-Folks! This about the Truth (not Myth) of what is said or thought in American Streets (privately & Publically).

Soo, JEWS + BLACKS + ISLAMi's need to SHUT-UP!

Note: By exposing ye own Neighborhood stuff; That i [WE] Eklah-t-ion's will Punish Ye all for ye own [Hypocratic/Blasphemy] Triple-Standard-Psychosis's & or "Religio-Jealousy=Psychosis & or "Pre-Apocalyptiv Si(y)Ndrome"s. Maybe Then Ye will finally learn to be like Us "HUUMATE(s) kinds; unlike ye "HUMAN(s)" unkinds; On S.pace S.hip Earth(s)!

Should the religious artist's art convert its creator? I hope not.

Within religion lies necessary hypocrisy. One of religion's noblest tasks is to reach beyond its adherents' moral grasps. No one's religion ought describe the quagmire of one's own life and morals. In part one's religion should describe one's aspirations.

So it must be with religious artists. If one's actual virtue were reflected in his art, then one has not aimed high enough in one's art.

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PS: Beside Brother MEL GiBSON (Guitars) That
WE "APOCALYPTiC-ON"s (not OFF's) A L S O -- L O V E -- B R O T H E R: Arun Gandhi ....

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Soo, JEWS + Browns & BLACKS + WHiTE(s) & Yellows + ISLAMi's need to SHUT-UP!

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Pre-Apocalyptic "Si(y)N-drome"s.

This is none of your business. You've got priests molesting children and you are worried about Mel screaming at his girlfriend. How about some concern for the propensity of people to post what should be private conversations on the Internet?

Can't Sally Quinn be shuffled off to wherever the Post sent Bill Kristol? Another failed Post venture.

L E P i D O P T E R Y X:

Ye art a Wise "Moth"!

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J A C K S O N 641:

i [WE] Know ex-Bogots who Hated 'Black People" but NO MORE! and

WE [i] Know ex-Hypocratics who Hated 'White Folks' but No longer.

i [WE] know folks (like Me self) several occasions called Me Lady the "B" word. Of course WE [i] did'nt mean it Unhumanly like. And the Best part is that the ex-"B"ich is from MORCOW, U.S.S.R. Yet We art the Best of Friends now! and

WE [i] Used to Hate 'None-Straight's but now r trying to recognize them or lighten-off the 'Hate' part. [But still know (not only believe) that 'real-Marriage' is only between a MON & a WOM] but

i [WE] also know those who Hated Non-Straights, but no more. Soo

WELCOME to S.pace-S.hip HATE? or is it S.S. LOVE? or BOTH S.S.'s?!

Nice Nice; Very Apocalyptically Nice. Right ON (not OFF)!

Has William A. Donohue of the Catholic League abandoned Mel in his hour of need?

Et tu Brutus?

Gibson lost my respect years ago, when he refused to repudiate the claims his father has spent a lifetime disseminating: that the Holocaust was a hoax; that it never happened.

He's a religious nut and a lunatic, so what else is new?

The fruit didn't fall far from the tree.

This is the guy who had to start his own Catholic church because he was more Catholic than Pope John Paul II. Whatever. Mr. Holier than Thou dumped his wife for a hot girlfriend young enough to be his daughter and has a potty mouth. All controversy about him can just fuel his paranoia.

First, Gibson's recent words and actions are indefensible, no question about it. And whether you like him or not, it seems unlikely that his making a public apology - which he did after making anti-Semitic remarks about the cop who arrested him - will suffice for most people. Like all of us who are imperfect, he needs to mend his ways with the individuals whom he has offended, never an easy task.

As to the question of 'art', I'm struck by how many people have assumed that to be an artist - in this case, of the conematic sort - that one must also live a moral life (however you define 'moral'). Don't get me wrong - I would love it if every actor, singer, and so on, acted in a reasonable, courteous, thoughtful, and respectful way, but the behavior of these people is not the same thing as their films, music, paintings, or whatever else. Is Chinatown a great film? Most critics think so, but that doesn't mean that I in any way approve of Roman Pulanski's behavior back in the late 1970's.

So maybe we can try to separate the questions, though I can certainly see why people are inclined to take notice qith a figure like Gibson, who has made his faith public in various ways and even a part of his art in one of his films.

Vicious punks are a dime a dozen, anti-semitic, anti-Black and otherwise. This applies equally to obscenely wealthy and hypocritcal punks such as the ostentatiously "Christian" Mel Gibson.
Jesus wept indeed.

Let's see, Gibson has looked to present himself as this old-school, conservative Catholic.

He leaves his wife of, what, 30 years, takes up with a mistress, gets her pregnant out of wedlock, espouses anti-Semitic views, uses the N-word, and now allegedly under investigation for allegedly punching his girlfriend during an argument.

Yep, seems to make sense.

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Call this [THIS] S.pace S.hip; "S.S. SCHIZOPHRENIA", Evolving in Pre-Apocalyptic Motion, not in Apocalyptic-Visioning or fore Thinking.

ALL "Theocracy's (today) & ALL Monarchy's (Today) are extremely Primitive; NOt Advanced. They are Dangerouis to selves & Others [i] & or WE; and so, They Both Must be Abolished or wiped clean off the Face of [THIS] S.S. Earth, aka S.S. GAiA, aka S.S. GEOiD, aka S.S. TELLUSng something.

i.e., "WAHHABi"sm (theocracy + Monarchy) & "AYATOLLAH"ism (Theocracy; ex-Monarchy) Must Be Destroyed Forever! Note: All known (old Time) ABEic & VEDic & Copy Cats-of et al; Are Primitive zero FUTURE-BOUND, Zero SPACE-FORTH ready! Note: They Still Not only Practice POLYGAMi but also still prACTice PEDOPHILiA (marrying 9 Year Olds or Younger???!!!). This type of behaviour is UN-Future S.S.-Earthling like! They r

Zero A Q U A R i U S -- A G E ready! They r' still living, acting n FUNDAMENTAListlically thinking like it's still the curseth/Sineth PRE-Apocalyptic, pre-Electric/Atomic age of the Hellish "P i S C E S -- A G E"!??

i.e.; From that Age came Mr. J E S U S (via Pedophile Diciples) who said, "HATE Your Life, HATE your Family, HATE Humanity for ME" lalala. {please see: NIV-Bible @ LUKE:14:26 et seq. And Mr. JESUS said, "i G-D Player; Did NOt come to Bring US Jealous folks PEACE/Unity; but rather WAR/Division" (Please see antihumanity/family Doctrine via KJV-Bible @ LUKE:12:51 et seq."

Note: The CHUMASH + QURAN + GITA + KANGYUR are also FULL-OF many EVIL anti-humanity, anti-Family excerpts/Doctrines That hath been "Freudianly Slipped into them by Their fallible JEALOUS G-D(s)/ALLAH's or Ishvara's or SATANIC VERSUS loving Scholars/Authors as G-D Players or My G-D Monopolist (fo Prophet); But Not aCapitalist (for Profit)??!

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Note: In some cases their G-D (not OUR) Can Go Back on It's Written Word (reg-dless of the medium used to record them) or PROMiSE." See besides Schizphrenic Ta{utology their G-ds/Allahs/Ishvara's r also FICKLE! NOt Kosher; NOt Hallal.

HATE Theocrats & Monarchs; NOt MEL GIBSON; Nor Mel Gibson's Best Movie-Ever (which i no watch movies; but have this one Truth-Movie)

"A P O C A L Y P T O" ("Native-Ameri"s Did NOt speak Spangish)

PS: Stay tuned fo APOCALYPTO 2
(about the Death of the Monarchy & Theocrat Age born violently from the Pisces age) & then

APOCALYPTO 3
(about the NEW-SONG of the Holyi-Cosmic Feelers of "TRANS{FiNITY" Faith, Religion or Belief, a Prophetic NEW-SYSTEM that's been there waiting For Us HUUMATE(s) to Uphold/Make-Honorable & to Magnify IT; Prepared US for the Aquarias age +2013 & beyond)

Coming Ye way in 4-5 Years Time. So Enjoy "IT" (NOt a HE nor a SHE), based on TRUTH (opposite MYTH) or INNATE-FEELINGs, Religion/Belief/Faith System.!

There are, of course, a lot of jerks out there in Hollywoodland. Mel is just the latest in a long line. Some of them, I still watch a bit, but a couple, like Mel and Tom Cruise, really make me want to vomit. I can't watch their work, whether good or bad, without thinking of the kind of people they are, and that I'm helping to support them.

By the way, isn't there some kind of filter for the nut jobs, like this "Faiit-on-space" guy? Isn't there a law against blogging while doing crack?

By the way, isn't there some kind of filter for the nut jobs, like this "Faiit-on-space" guy? Isn't there a law against blogging while doing crack?
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Now, now. He took time out of filing his "birther" lawsuit to talk about space ships and "Monarchy's".

From what I have read, Mel Gibson has a long-term alcohol problem. For much of his life he was apparently a reasonable man devoted to career and family, and friendly to black and Jewish colleagues.

I don't think of him as good or evil, just addicted to alcohol. Let's not judge his morals; let's just recognize he needs help with an addiction illness.

I am not a fan of his particularly,and I don't agree with his politics. However, I pray he gets sober and begins to rebuild his life, and starts to make amends to the friends and family he has damaged.

what's the big deal? like other commenters have noted, all Mr. Gibson needs is a twelve-step program. many of us have experienced that we cannot enjoy an authentic spiritual life as long as we are active in our addiction. we all need healing. how many of us would like our ugly fights to be broadcast to the entire world?

Check out this good "Christian" Donohue Catholic here.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/exclusive-audio-another-mel-gibson-slur-caught-tape-crazed-rage-listen-it-here

Mel Gibson is a spoiled Hollywood rich kid, just like Tiger Woods or Michael Jackson. NOBODY is going to help them; they are stuck with all their riches to figure things out and make their own way, without a single word of truthful discourse from a fellow human being. Everyone around them wants some of the money, and NOBODY will dare say a word to risk losing access to it. So on they go, maybe not really psychotic, but just as disconnected from the world, as if they were.

Mel's fame and money are relevant in that those are the only reasons you are writing about him. Most mythology-based belief systems imbue their members with hatred of The Other and over the centuries this has resulted in endless mass murder and continued corrosive behavior. Writers on religion are always able to write about the 'good" and never about the bad re. these belief systems. How many times have we read about "the religion of peace" since 9/11-oddly, always in the context of mass murder activity. Keep trying to explain it all away, the dead and maimed are still dead and maimed.

Do people still pay attention to religion? Wow.

"My ex wife had a mouth like gibson,in a custody war I was told taping someone without their consent was illegal,how times have changed"
Posted by: gonville1

Gonville, such taped conversations generally can't be admitted in a court of law. If Gibson's girlfriend was suing him for palimony, for instance, the conversations would most likely be inadmissible. There are a few exceptions, such as a few states that have 'one party consent' rules. This rule states that only one party needs to consent to the taping. If you decide to tape your ex-wife, you are the consenting party. It all depends on what state you live in.

Even when they are inadmissible, people still make tapes, just like many police forces use lie detectors. The results of a lie-detector test can't be admitted in court, either. Both lie detector results and one party consent taped calls are used in investigations, however. Victims of domestic violence are often encouraged to make tapes, to make their case for restraining orders, to cite one example.

Mel is an imperfect being - just like the rest of us. He appears to be an alcoholic with an anger-management problem. He is not evil and I think I can separate the "art" from the "artist."

My expectations for his behavior were pretty low a decade ago (filthy rich actor). I give him a shrug. I pray that he finds peace and finds a way to stay connected to his child.

I think we can give this story the tags "nasty divorce", "leaked tapes", "verbal abuse" and "alcoholic". Sad.

Ten Hail Mary's and he's good as new.

TWO, count 'em, two
columnists in WaPo today gloat and agree with the freeing of the Jewish movie director,

Roman Polansky, who raped a 13 year old American girl and fled. Both columnists, Cohen and Applebaum, are Jewish.

But now we must discuss whether using
anti semitic words and, a mayby bogus accusation of using the "N" word should

stop Mel Gibson's career.

A Jewish rapist championed and freed.

An actor using bad words (who wrote about the Passion of Christ) must be ruined by boycott, if they can.

Now, does this suggest something?
Yes, and it's time to stop it.

Stupid god people. Wake up!

BLOOMMARK04

Could you hear from you onthe freeing from custody yesterday

of the Jewish film director Roman POlansky,
for the rape of a 13 year old American girl? Two WaPo writers today hail the release.

You and your Jewish religion could also take a look at the savage war criminals of Israel, whom you undoubtedly support.

Sick of it.

Roman Polanski being Jewish has nothing to do with him being a rapist, or with him getting this for me totally unexpected support from Hollywood (who's supposed to be liberal - and excusing rape is the opposite of what liberal means). I believe the support comes from a/the misconception that the raped girl was consenting b/that it happened long ago, and c/ that people are in awe of Polanski's alleged artistic talents, he is a European auteur.

Michael Jackson in my eyes was much more talented, although being eccentric and not intellectual. He was innocent to the molestation charges, but was brought down anyway, for what I believe was pure racist reasons. Polanski - like another child offender, Woody Allen - is white.

As for Mel Gibson, he is probably dangerous to his ex girlfriend and daugther. That's the main issue here.

i get distinct feeling he tested her by asking her to sign what amounted to no-huge payout for her. she rised to the challenge but gave the wrong answer: she quickly became distant as soon as she learned $$ was not in the pic. i think he was shocked and reacted to the reality that he was indeed USED.

i'll just bet had she maintained her demeanor he just might have been quite generous with her but her true self, intentions surfaced and what he suspected for whatever reason was confirmed. she tried to pull a reille hunter/john edwards anchorBaby thing. it went south.

I have watched the passion of the christ I wept and was moved as were many believers I even wonder were souls saved by this movie I believe melgibsons father has alot of influence over the things he believes if these reports of his behavior are true which you never know well then I would say he is not born again for he would know this christ in spirit that he so beautifully depicted in his movie and I pray for his soul for he will never be happy until he finds it in the arms of his lordthere is a reason why this movie was made it moved a tremendous amount of people and god works mysteriously sometime so disapointed in a mere mans bizarre behavior and wretched belief system let god get the awards this time and leave mel gibsons soul up to him for it belongs to him and as lost as he seems god would be the only one capable of finding it. Pray for him and everyone whose never experienced the love of jesus christ out of the book out of the movies simply in the endless beating heart

People tend to associate money and power as gift from God and the people that receives these gift as being blessed by God.

Mel Gibson once again proves that nothing could be farther from the truth.

I"n between being perfect and being a sluht alcoholic racist opportunist hypocrite, there is plenty of room for imperfection."

Let me get this straight Farnaz, you hate Mel Gibson because he is a religious bigot,
strung out on substances, and says stupid and obnoxious things in public?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"very traditionalist Roman Catholicism?"

Vatican II almost destroyed the faith with the help of liberal anti-Catholic rags like the Post.

Some Catholics are returning to the true faith and liberals are afraid, as they should be.

The traditional Latin Mass is the only true Catholic Mass. Protestants tried to destroy the Catholic Mass in the 1960s via Vatican II. Look it up Catholics. Return to the true faith.

Prayer:

Father GOD please send some of your true worshippers to love on Mel Gibson and his family. Yes, he is wrong and he uttered terrible vile expressions but you are a forgiving GOD, and with willing and obedient hearts, you can change anyone.

Mel's mistress is a victim of his abusiveness but she is not sinless as she became involved with a married man. They are both wrong and need help.

Mel's outbursts indicate that there is deep rage within him. Lord, only You know what has overtaken him.

JESUS, the Holy Bible is full of accounts of your healing, forgiving, and making people whole. You love Mel in spite of what has possessed him but You will NOT acquit the guilty nor justify the wicked. His only hope is to seek forgiveness, and to seek You for lasting change in his heart. He needs to do
change - not just talk change. Without steadfast obedience to You, Lord, Mel cannot overcome the rage within ....

Mel Gibson should be expelled from the United States and sent back to Australia. We don't need another loud-mouthed celebrity racist in our midst. I don't care for his anti-Semitism either. There are enough problems in the US. We can do without his kind of people in this nation. If he has naturalized, he should have his citizenship revoked. Shameful and disgusting.

Some Catholics are returning to the true faith and liberals are afraid, as they should be.
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Um, afraid of what? And some catholics returning to the faith in comparison to how many who have left? Especially after the whole child molestation thing.

If you want to give your hard-earned money to fund a palatial estate in Rome (as opposed to actually helping the poor), that's your privilege.

There was on Jon Voight before in On Faith.

Now on Mad Max the Lethal Weapon in words and behavior in his private and public life.

We will see more discussions in On Faith on movie stars re what they say and do?

Pardon this digression from the matter of the all-important Mel.

Last week, I posted a quasi digression arising from news that a gay black student has been the victim of anti-gay violence. Yesterday, I went to see him.

This former student of mine suffered several bone fractures and will need weeks to recover. Two of the thugs who brutalized him involved have been arrested.
The police are still looking for the third.

I have asked several times, as have others, why the opposition to gay rights in African American churches is not addressed.

Some large well-to-do African American Churches, anti gay rights, actually post outside their buildings hateful "pictures" of the "real men don't" type, depicting what the artists' apparently think of as gay white men. And these churches do worse.

Having seen the effects of this Church sponsored hatred, which include almost unspeakable violence against gay black men and women, I cannot fathom why OnFaith refuses to take up the issue.

It is all the more alarming that OnFaith does take up the issue of white church discrimination against gays, suggesting that gay black people either do not exist or do not count.

Word to OnFaith: GAy black people exist, ARE human beings with the same rights as gay whites, straight people, and everyone else.

When does OnFaith plan to address this issue, David Waters?

Two figures both alike in indignity
In fair Media Res where we lay our scene
From ancient grudge breaks to new mutiny
Where uncivil blood makes civil discourse unclean

The greater one dying by alcohol poisoning
His loss made tragic by his great art
Now just a travesty of his former self

And the lesser dissipated by stimulants
Her life’s tale told by an idiot
Full of sound and fury signifying nothing

There are many religions, many races, but only two genders. Mel and his hate bring everyone down, but in reality it's women who usually deal with the physical outbursts.

Some Catholics are returning to the true faith and liberals are afraid, as they should be.
Posted by: nolib1 | July 13
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As a liberal, I am afraid of those returning to Bill Donohue's "true faith" of racism and homophobia Gibson demonstrates. I'm especially afraid for the child victims of this "true faith" that has a time honored tradition of its clergy helping themselves to the bodies of little boys while other supposed "Men of God" including Ratzinger lie to deny it, cover it up and blame others.

As much as it pains me to say it, I'm with Farnaz.

When is the oppression of gays by Black churches going to be exposed? To be gay and black in America is a double whammy. Black clergymen are notorious gay bashers. Simply look at the rhetoric from DC's black clergy for proof.

B R E A K I N G -- N E W S:

BEHOLD: A Great "Fruedian Slip Of Genuine Prophecy" leaching out subliminally by direct MEME Genetic Telepathy!

Bin Ladens Son, 29 year old OMAR, said, "My dad is on the Earth but I don't know where. He's still alive. If that sort of person dies, you could never make it a secret. The world changes if he dies"

B i N --- L A D E N --- I S --- D E A D!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/7891544/Osama-bin-Ladens-son-says-his-father-is-still-alive.html

B I N --- L A D E N --- I S --- D E A D!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/7891544/Osama-bin-Ladens-son-says-his-father-is-still-alive.html

B I N --- L A D E N --- I S --- D E A D! Since 06.??.07

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i [WE} Told You!

WE [i] Told YE!

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We, The "HUUMATE-Ummah" Eyes & Ears, Never LIE!

WE "APOCALYPTIC-ON"s art never OFF's!

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