Introducing Barack Obama, Christian

A true Christian does support abortion...

correction: A true Christian does NOT support abortion...
obama does...

Dwight:
"A true Christian does NOT support abortion.."

But loves a good war, the death penalty and stoning homosexuals.

Nice.

President Obama is a Christian. He has talked about his conversion experience and his baptism. The national prayer service on the day after the inauguration was evidence of his Christianity. Actually, Obama's demonstrated character and speech give direct testimony to his Christianity. Yes, Christians do disagree on some of the hot-button issues of today, issues that were never discussed for over 1900 years of Christianity. Too many present-day Christians, albeit fundamentalists, live in Old Testament legalism. Our Christian fundamentalists are not much different than the Muslim fundamentalists in the Middle East.

Rather than arguing about abortion, we should look at war. As a Christian, I believe that war is wrong. However, I know that the Bible says that there is a time when it may be necessary. Iraq is a war that was never justified by any biblical interpretation. The nasty attitudes of many Christians toward fellow Christians is totally unbiblical.

When Mike Huckabee jokes about keeping Democrats from the polls on election day in Virginia by letting air out of car tires among other things, he is not behaving in a Christian way. Rather than accepting that his attempt at a joke was wrong, he casts unkind words toward the opposition. Mike Huckabee has much more class than this. He should be ashamed. As a Baptist minister, he should know better.

Who gives a damn what the President's religious beliefs or non beliefs are?

I don't need a Pastor-in-Chief, I need a Commander-in-Chief.

The President has an obligation to ALL citizens of the US, not only those whose religion he agrees with.

Ideally, the man/woman running for the Presidency would never been asked about his/her religion.

The world would be a better place.

As far as you abortionist people go....get a live of your own before you judge others.

"Maybe I'm making too much of it. After all, Obama scored higher than God in a recent Harris poll asking Americans who they admire enough to call their heroes. Obama placed first. God came in at No. 11, one spot behind Mother Teresa."

Barrack and Mother Teresa are/were human beings. God is a figment of the imagination of some human beings.

So why do the results surpise you????

The Reality of it all will be captured by the President of Notre Dame in his welcoming comments:

WELCOME NEW LEADER OF THE IMMORAL MAJORITY. AS YOU KNOW, YOU BECAME PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF THE VOTES OF 70 MILLION "PARENTS" OF ABORTED CHILDREN!!!!

( the math, one million abortions per year since 1973 (the Roe decision) x 35 years x 2 parents= 70 million votes.)

( and the popular vote was?

69,456,897 for BO, 59,934,814 for JM )

CCNL:
Yeah, everyone who voted for Obama has had an abortion, you idiot.

Obama is Christian in name only.

His four votes against "The Born Alive Infants Protection Act" as a state Senator confirm that observation.

I will not be voting for President "the erstwhile Christian" Obama come Nov. 2012.

FURTDW wrote: "Obama is Christian in name only."

That puts him in company with all the other people in this country who are Christian in name only - the majority of which can't even name the 4 gospels correctly.

The same reason why Darwinian evolution continue to be taught in school despite its very flawed concept.

While it's NOT dangerous not to know Obama's religion, it's dangerous for society as a whole if people are led to believe in Darwinian evolution because it's tantamount to delusion.

What are these delusions ?

1. That humans were animals before they evolved. Some people would take animal behaviors like "kill and be killed" as a legitimate behavior. Many already do like communist countries, greedy bosses of some big corporations and political thinkers who occupy high positions in government.

2. That humans can exist without a God. The phrase "natural selection" cannot exist unless intelligence is linked to it. Select means using intelligence to select. Nature is very complex so if one insists that "natural selection" occurs, then it is a very complex and intelligent type of selection. Over-simplifying it is dangerous and could lead to false assumptions or DELUSIONS. Hitler and Hirohito thought they were a super race or the favored end result of natural selection. It was a delusion and it almost wiped out their race. Soon, it will be repeated coz the seeds of DELUSION is still with us.

EVOLUTION IS DANGEROUS. GET RID OF IT. Otherwise, Doomsday is coming.

What this says about America is that at least 10% of the people swallow hook-line-and-sinker the campaign of hate and innuendo against Obama perpetuated by Republican party leader Rush Limbauh and his inbred right-wing cousins on RNC Fox News.

Chops2

You noted: " everyone who voted for Obama has had an abortion."

No, the Immoral Majorituy i.e. the "parents" (~70 million) of 35 million aborted babies, the supporters of abortion-on-demand and the providers of said abortions voted for BO.

Imagine if it was forbidden, on WAPO (onfaith/onreligion & postglobal) to use the words "OBAM{A}" or "DAVi{D} WATE{RS}"?

Or word "FAI{TH}" Or words "JEW}i{SH"? Or

"JE{HO}VA}H}" , "GO{D}" w/out the Curly Brackets (open & close Quotes Marks Ok) Or "G-{D}" Or

For a test Run of Discrimination, Please remove curly brackets in WAPO's Editor & hit "Submit" button. For the Word:

"SH{i}L{O}H"
the "PEACE", Freidan, PAZ, Mir, SHALOM or "SH{}{A}{L}{O}{M}", Salaam, Ahimsah, Zhingyu" BRINGER.

Please, enter in your editor on WAPO, Test word :

"HUE{-}MATES" )
['Due TO BE' or potentially Evolved HUEMATES, not HUMAN anymore]. Enter the Word

"JO{}K}{T}AN"
[The UNITED Ancestors]
{WE [i] US Cometh from This Father/Mother EBERu line} hence [i] WE; US? are innately evolved as "HUEMATES" not as HUMAN anymore.

Hence: Pay attention The "MELCHIZEDEK PEACE-BLESSING" & more of such "Good TiDINGS" that is prophetically cometh, as promised in ALL Ye "Infixus Books: CHUMASH/BIBLE, QURAN/KURAN & GEETA/KANGYURS..!!

Testing this word: (Remove the curly brackets in Editor & hit SUBMIT.

"P{E}{L}E{G"
[Means the "DIVIDED" ex-Eberu-ABRAHAMIC branchs/splintes of ,ALL, Every & Any Isaacstan, Ishamaelite, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Esau, Jesus, includes Jesse & Muhammad Folks, Mormons too etc.., They are unlike US "JO{}K}{T}AN"ian HUEMATE-arians of this Blesseth (zero Curseth/Sineth storys) Holyi Cosmic NEBULA aware’d folk of Their "IT" (G-D) as being innately but "Naturally Select-ioned" , aka, WE are Thee Chosen [Dynamic APOCALYPTIC] "JO{}K}{T}AN"ian) EBERu race!

NOT them jealous P{E}{L}E{G [Stale Preapocalyptic] wanabe "god(s)Chosen People" old-Songs! Zero NEW-SONG!

WOW! WHY WAPO???????????? WHO {Sect?, Cult?, Preacher, Editor, Moderator(s) , Mormon {Michael Otterson}, Evangelousical? , rick Warren? {Chuck Colson}? David Waters & Fareed Zakaria?, Deepak Chopra? The Vatican the Wahabbi's, Chief Rabbinites {Adin Steinsaltz}?, & or Brad Hirsch{field}? etc..} is Behind This Blatant 1st Amendment Violation conspiracy & Jealous Anti Public-Internet DEVILISH/EVIL Censorings???

Wow! Please WAPO & Co., stop Jealously Blocking OUR, not your, Intellectual works about the "IT" [G-D doing work & becoming what one is becoming] And then Borrow for Ye gains or Withholding such whiteboarding hard work from its genuine Authors!?

CCNL, I would ignore your comment, but I've seen it on numerous posts now. I can't believe I'm actually engaging this, but here's the answer to your "logic."

You're assuming, first, that every single abortion was the first and only one performed by both parents. In the real world, most abortions are done by people who have had (or will have) multiple abortions.

You're also assuming that whether one has had an abortion lines up neatly with voting behavior. You provide no evidence.

Finally, you're assuming that anyone cares enough about your illogical comment to see it repeated over and over and over everywhere. Please just stop.

trapman1, trapman1, trapman1,

Even if you account for the multiple abortions and those "fathers" who are not aware of the tragedy or those who had abortions at age 15-17 recently and would of course not be voters, there were plenty of votes for BO in this Immoral Majority demographic to give BO the win.

The popular vote again was

69,456,897 for BO vs. 59,934,814 for JM or a differential of 9,522,083 votes.

To see how the demographics of the Immmoral Majority has grown since 1973 (i.e. the number of abortions/yr i.e the number of "parents" of aborted babies), see the CDC statistics at http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5609a1.htm#fig1 .

Oh, Spidermean, you truly are the biggest sack of stupid that I've ever run into! Let me help you with some of your understanding:

"The same reason why Darwinian evolution continue to be taught in school despite its very flawed concept."

"While it's NOT dangerous not to know Obama's religion, it's dangerous for society as a whole if people are led to believe in Darwinian evolution because it's tantamount to delusion."

What are these delusions ?

1. That humans were animals before they evolved. Some people would take animal behaviors like "kill and be killed" as a legitimate behavior. Many already do like communist countries, greedy bosses of some big corporations and political thinkers who occupy high positions in government.

2. That humans can exist without a God. The phrase "natural selection" cannot exist unless intelligence is linked to it. Select means using intelligence to select. Nature is very complex so if one insists that "natural selection" occurs, then it is a very complex and intelligent type of selection. Over-simplifying it is dangerous and could lead to false assumptions or DELUSIONS. Hitler and Hirohito thought they were a super race or the favored end result of natural selection. It was a delusion and it almost wiped out their race. Soon, it will be repeated coz the seeds of DELUSION is still with us.

EVOLUTION IS DANGEROUS. GET RID OF IT. Otherwise, Doomsday is coming.

Please get some help. You are mentally ill and need to see a professional.

CCNL:
Or perhaps people for Obama based on policy. Or perhaps many disagree with him on abortion but thought he would be a better president.

The world doesnt revolve around abortion.

Just a thought.

Obama claims to be a Christian. Even if the conservative critics are correct that abortion is unchristian, then Obama is just a Christian who has made an error. Have any of us who call ourselves Christian not made errors? Whether the availability of abortion is right or wrong is a huge debate, but being Christian does not mean getting every issue right. Being a Christian means putting your faith in Jesus and striving to follow His example. We all fall short. I know many amazing Christians, yet they are all flawed.

If someone says they are Christian, who am I to judge? Chrisitanity teaches that we will be judged as we judge others, so I say "lets be careful out there."

Today ...the people are curious about the new president of U S A . In one side the media says ..Obama is a christian and in other side the people are under doubts about his statements about bible and it's involvements in politics .
You tube shows different stories about the president and it shows a symbol of depression of number of Christians in Kenya and Africa especially in U S A .

Nobody knows the president and his thoughts !. Is { U S A is a growing Islamic republic!!} ?.

If that occurs in future , then what is the position of Obama ..!!!!

Propeller or gambler or hero or patriot or {_________}

U S chrstian groups are always making a competition between themselves .If catholic says something and then all other protestents rejects that and turn on all types of verbal clash. The same thing reverse if the protestents state anything relating to faith . But one common thing noticed is 'Whatever be those statements .At last, it turn on to christ ..the base of christian faith and both of these parties state different assumptions about christ '. To a beliver the same thing appear like perplexing note.
If the same clash get spread to the medias , then that will result in turn off the believers in Christians and give the same amount of rise in all other religions .

Why these christian groups are continuously attacking Jesus Christ? .

Is there any special advantage than loss ?
The separation and verbal clash will HELPS in loosing the christian power in U S A !

All these groups consider Jesus and bible are their research and clash tool and offer the both to all other people for bad treatment and research.

All groups stand in different analysis . The meaning and explanation get differences with respect to operating persons {priest}.

The truth get wide meaning and have wide range assumptions than uniting to a single one !.

May be Chopra's statement is right ! " On the coming years churches in U S A will be losers"!!!

Oh yeah? Well Huh!

Watch the Christian or whatever Obama bow down deep to a Muslim king.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUif1--r38

A True Christian is a drooling idiot.

Hey, I see others here making widespread declarations of who is and who is not a true christian.

While it's patently false that all christians are idiots, it's just as true that all the idiots here today are christian.

It sure is easy to mistake one for the other.

"The world doesn't revolve around abortion."

It did for 35 million (and counting) destroyed babies!!!

CCNL, what's it like, being a fanatic?

Do you feel alone in the world, that people are out to get you ... or that you're the only one who sees the real truth?

And how's it working out for you? Do you drive away people who might otherwise be your friend?

You sure spend a lot of time on this forum and others like it, with your single-minded one-issue focus on the world. Maybe you should try masturbation, you know, something to get your mind off your troubles.

No, the Immoral Majorituy i.e. the "parents" (~70 million) of 35 million aborted babies, the supporters of abortion-on-demand and the providers of said abortions voted for BO.

Posted by: CCNL | April 4, 2009 10:33 AM

CCNL -

According to catholicnews.com, 54% of Catholics nationwide voted for Obama. Obama's stance on abortion was certainly not a well kept secret before election. I'm also pretty sure that 54% of Catholics have not had an abortion but feel that a single issue should not dictate their vote on who to best lead our country out of a terrible last presidency.

They say that a picture is worth a thousand words. In Obama's case, I think his famous "misstatement" in San Francisco during his campaign said more than even a book could tell us. I'm referring to his Freudian slip in which he stated that in tough times, American cling to their gods and their guns.
A truer statement has rarely been said, only I'd add that Americans cling to their gods (the REAL, Christian god, of course) anytime.
Which brings me to Obama's religiosity. Sorry folks, there is no there there. Obama's about as Christian as Osama Bin Laden is sane. I believe as an extremely intelligent, perceptive, logical and reasonable person, he recognized very early on (perhaps through the urgings of his atheistic mother?) that religion in general and Western and Eastern religions in particular are totally worthless in their stated MODERN goals of international brotherhood, peace on earth and the rest of the stuff you rarely find in the bible or the koran.
And since he developed as a political animal early on, he also recognized that to get anywhere as an elected official he had to toe the religious line (he saw himself especially vulnerable to political obscurity because of his color--no use making the situation worse by being an disbeliever). He observed that nobody in this country attains high, elected office without praising god--preferably the CORRECT god.
I can't fault him for advancing up the political ladder to his current success by lying about his beliefs. He recognizes that he had (has) a unique ability to govern and his talent never could have been used without satisfying the religious types that he, indeed, was one of them.
It's sort of spooky watching him lie through his teeth about this situation. But I believe that his uncanny ability at problem-solving will advance civilization much more than if he were not in a position to do so.

Obama Must Talk Turkey to the Turks, and to the Muslim World

Despite traditional closeness, President Obama will face a Turkish public that is much less receptive than those of Europe. The Turks today increasingly identify with the rest of the Muslim World, and the clearest manifestation of this is to dislike America. We believe that the real cause of this drift away from the West, however, may not actually be America’s fault. but because of Europe’s dithering over letting Turkey into the EU. But hating George Bush and the War on Iraq has been so much easier for the Turks than dealing with the painful rejection from Europe. Given this fact, President Obama’s priorities in Turkey is restoring America’s prestige takes priority over any policy discussion. The President’s job to reach out and reestablish America’s standing with the Turkish people, and through them, with the Muslim World as a whole.

http://dailyexception.com/2009/04/05/obama-must-talk-turkey-to-the-turks/

Don't you love it when someone feels the need to tell you what a "true Christian" is? I suppose I'll just leave that determination up to God. We might be surprised which people God includes.

Your attention please. Elvis is in the house.

Obama'a middle name, usually had by Muslims, although it is possible for Christian Arabs to have it too, makes people think he is Muslim. Also his Kenyan ancestry, his father's Muslim identity, and the rightwing campaign to find him alien, different, dangerous, and the anti-Christ all contribute to general ignorance about his religion. You might have thought all the fuss about Jeremiah Wright would at least have convinced people he attended a Christian church, but so many blacks are confused about religion it is possible to think of them as alien in religion as they are in all other respects.

Hmm, I've always had Obama pegged as an atheist actually. As far as being a nominal Christian goes: he plays the system. I don't think he's actually foolish enough to fall for any of that religious nonsense himself, but he uses it to his advantage - like Karl Rove did. (In fact, he hasn't much choice really, considering how far a self-proclaimed atheist would likely get as a presidential candidate in America.)

Just noticed I more or less repeated what HYJANKS said. I agree that the San Francisco statement was telling.

Has President Obama chosen a Church yet? If he has, why hasn't it been publicized? And if not, why not?

Death of an unborn child. Would Barack Obama be willing to give up one of his daughters for an innocent, unborn child?

Why is it that Christians care so much for the unborn fetus but once the kid is born, you wash your hands clean of your caring. You don't care if they starve or if the mother of the kid beats him up. You don't want any of your money spent on food that can stop the child from starving to death. Or medical help that can keep the child alive. Such hypocrisy.

Obama uses religion fo political purposes. He sat in Wright's church for 20 years and heard America demonized. He not only supports abortion on demand, he supports FOCA which calls for American taxpayers to pay for abortions. He is a charlatan.

"While it's NOT dangerous not to know Obama's religion, it's dangerous for society as a whole if people are led to believe in Darwinian evolution because it's tantamount to delusion."

WHAT?

"While it's NOT dangerous not to know Obama's religion, it's dangerous for society as a whole if people are led to believe in Darwinian evolution because it's tantamount to delusion."

WHAT?

WOW

Whaddya' mean only 1 in 10 think Elvis is alive?

Well, it seems pretty simple. Somebody should do the poll again and ask the religion question about more than one person. They could ask about Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama, or perhaps about Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi. Whatever would be a good mix.

If people don't know what religion any of those folks are, then that tells us something about the relative importance or relevance of religious belief in public life, rather than something about attitudes toward President Obama.

Some notes:

Of course BO was the well-advertised pro-abortion/pro-death candidate.

And he won with a ~10 million vote differential, votes easily supplied by the Immoral Majority which of course included "catholics" for "free-choice". Might want to check the numbers in these free-choice groups via Google.

Changing to other issues as per a number of past commentaries:

In the spirit of "Easter":

As noted by Pope John Paul II and St. Aquinas Heaven is a spirit state i.e. there can be no bones there or bodies to include the theological glorified body. So where are the bones?

As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus very possibly would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

With respect to christianity in general: (only for the eyes of BO who is need of some religious ed):

Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (if you accept the literal NT) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

Current crises:

Pedophiliac priests, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

3. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

Current crises:

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology.

watsonja wrote "If I prayed, I would pray for "doomsday" to come get you a little faster. "

While Christians preach so these people get saved, these dangerous people are rooting for Christians' destruction.

As I've said evolutionists are a danger to society as a whole. Im not surprised of your behavior. You guys are delusional and nothing can change you until you guys will self destruct.

Here's something you should ask yourself about evolution so it will keep your mind busy and maybe somehow cure you from delusion if that is possible. I've ask these same questions on another blog to a person less stupid than you.

Did you understand what you have read about evolution in Wikipedia? Can they be tested to be considered as proofs?

What do you know about stem cells of apes that it has to evolve into stem cell of humans? Are they less efficient compared to humans?

And what did you see in Smithsonian's Natural History Museum that convinced you to be an evolutionist? Bones? What about the bones? What does it tell you? Any lab test which proves that bones is a good indicator of kinship?

Use your brain. Learn how to think. As I've said, explain what you believe so you don't remain delusional.

Doomsday is coming and even if I pray that you be saved, it won't happen coz the prophecy says that it will wipe out the delusional. The only way to escape it is to be cured from your delusion.

It isn't ignorant to profess ignorance of Obama's "Christianity", since he does so many things unChristian. "By their fruits you shall know them", "them" being Jesus' followers. A man who empowers the killing of and experimenting on unborn children is no Christian, no matter how earnestly he states otherwise.

If Bush and Cheney are christian so is Obama.

I really get tired of Christians passing judgment on fellow Christians. It is not for you to judge---at least that was how Jesus put it---he went on to say that you will be judged by the same judgment you make on another person---let the one who thinks he/she is standing (in the truth) take heed (pay attention) lest he/she fall. Now I know in part; then (in heaven) I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these thee remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. A little love goes a long way.

I do not and never have believed Obama was a Muslim. But nor am I sure he's a Christian. I say this not because of his views on abortion or any other issue. logical or not, there are many Christians who support the right to have an abortion. My doubt is based on his evident lack of concern about attending church. I mean, it really cannot be that hard to pick a church, even if you are just trying the place out. DC has lots of churches that are used to having high-profile members of the congregation. Why doesn't he just go to one? When's the last time he even attended?

FWIW, it would not affect my opinion of him one way or another what he was, unless he claimed to be something he's not.

Dwight:
"A true Christian does NOT support abortion.."
But loves a good war, the death penalty and stoning homosexuals.
Nice.
Posted by: Chops2 | April 3, 2009 7:08

GOD in the old testament waged war against those who opposed Israel...
In Moses law, there was a death penalty...
and as far as I know, muslims stone homosexuals, not Christians...
man has a choice, so do homosexuals...

I love your point that while 10% of the population believe President Obama is a Muslim, 10% believe Elvis is still alive. That says it all.

On The Difference between an Apocalyptic thinking/feeling "JO{K}TAN-ian" , an EBERu?, and a Pre-Apocalyptic thinking/feeling "PE{LEG}-ian", a YID or a Kosher/Hallal MAN; not like in Peeking-MAN?

Yesterday on a NYC street, as i [WE] was on a mission; 2-two Lubavitcher the Pharasee guys?, not Sedducee? stood almost in front of my direction & asked, "Are You JEWiSH?” {I felt insulted!} So, before i answered i asked them young spaced-out Lads {is IT still Halloween?} if besides reading the Chumash/Basorah, If "Lubavitcha "Ever read ALL of Space-Ship Earths Holy Books" i.e., Judeo-BUDHiST Kangyur/Tengyurs + the HiNDUGeeta/Tripitaka + the ISLAMiC Quran/Koran + the CHRiSTIAN Bible/Masorah?" So they did not answer & asked well, "areYEaYEED?" i'said "My ABBA(DAD) & EEMA(MOM) are of JO{K}{TAN-EBERU race, We’re unlike & not like Ye PE{L}E{G-ian EBERU's michiginna race!

I don't think people are unaware of how Obama self-identifies. I think various people have different ideas about what being a Christian means and Obama's interpretation of the faith doesn't fit many Americans' interpretation. Therefore, he is not a Christian to them.

You would think that a "real" Christian would be sitting fat, dumb, and happy, fully expecting Obama's election as yet another sign of the second coming, and that rapture is right around the corner. That instead of trolling these internet discussions simply to spew your mean, angry venom in the most unChristian-like manner possible. In any event, those polls show simply that people are pretty much ignorant and self-centered.

Based on what I saw of the Gallup polls and the Barna Group research. The percentages of those who believe Obama is a Muslim appear to be similar, or maybe the same people who believes Elvis still alive and that Joan of Arc, was Noah's wife.

If Bush a christian so is Obama. Elvis is not alive and Joan of Arc was not Noah's wife.

CCNL,
So what have you done for all the unwanted children born from no abortions?

The US is full of unwanted children. You want America to bear unwanted children for what purpose? Children are already abused heavily, and unwanted children are abused the worst.

So what have you done for orhpans and foster children this year?

Patrick

Hmmm, "abortion is good because it gets rid of unwanted children" rationalization. How inane!!!

My brother and his wife adopted four special needs children. They are now adults with their own families and are great citizens of this great country.

My oldest grandson is also adopted.

And for some famous people who were saved from the abortionist vacuum pumps:

Andy Berlin - entrepreneur: chairman of Berlin Cameron & Partners
Anthony Williams - politician
Aristotle - philosopher
Art Linkletter - comedian
Bo Diddley - musician, performer
Buffy Sainte-Marie - musician, actress
Carl-Theodor Dreyer - Danish film director
Charlotte Anne Lopez - Miss Teen USA
Christina Crawford - author
Clarissa Pinkola Estes - author
Crazy Horse - Lakota war chief
Dan O'Brien - decathlete
Daunte Culpepper - football player
Dave Thomas - entrepreneur: founder of Wendy's
Debbie Harry - singer
D.M.C. - hip hop artist
Edgar Allan Poe - poet, writer
Edward Albee - playwright
Eleanor Roosevelt - First Lady
Eric Dickerson - athlete
Faith Daniels - news anchor
Faith Hill - country singer
Freddie Bartholomew - actor
George Washington Carver - inventor
Greg Louganis - athlete
James MacArthur - actor
James Michener - author
Jean Jacques Rousseau - philosopher
Jesse Jackson - minister
Jesus - adopted by Joseph the carpenter (literal interpretation of the Bible)-
Jett Williams - country singer and author
Jim Palmer - athlete
John J. Audubon - naturalist
John Hancock - politician
John Lennon - musician
Langston Hughes - poet and writer
Larry Ellison - entrepreneur: chief executive of Oracle
Lee Majors - actor
Leo Tolstoy - writer

Wow, what a troll-baiting question.

The importance of it is downplayed, but clearly a significant number of people are confused about what the President's creed is because of elaborate right-wing attempts to smear him as a non-Christian, of course with the notion that 'non-Christians' must be 'evil' or some such.

It seems that a lot of people here are willing to claim someone isn't a 'real Christian' if he does his public duty instead of just trying to give right-wingers their way and calling it 'Christianity.'

interesting, this.

"My brother and his wife adopted four special needs children. They are now adults with their own families and are great citizens of this great country.

My oldest grandson is also adopted. "

Funny.. I don't recall him asking what your FAMILY MEMBERS did for unwanted children. He asked what have YOU done for unwanted children.

Your hypocrisy is staggering. Bingo.

CCNL,

I know a lot of pro-life people who voted for Obama because of the economy, or they were disgusted by McCain and Palin, or they just wanted a change. I also know that there are many, many Republicans who have had abortions or taken their daughters to clinics.

Would you please get off of the abortion soapbox for one frickin' minute to look at the big picture? People are hurting. The economy is causing a lot more homeless children. How DARE people worry more about feeding their own kids rather than the Holy Fetus? Get a clue. How many more abortions are going to happen if women can't afford to raise a kid because they and/or their husband is out of work?

Hmmm, as hopefully we all do, we help support homes for unwed mothers, and their education. "Crossanized Catholics/ Catholics/Christians/Mormons/Jews/atheists/Muslims/and caring people in general support via contributions and volunteering for relief services, adoption agencies, parochial/public/religious schools/universities, aid to hurricane/tornado victims, orphanages, boys and girls "towns", scouting programs, native American schools, Special Olympics, and childrens'/adult diabetes/MS/cancer/heart research/hospitals.

Also, we pay our taxes which support the education (e.g. public schools, "no child left behind and faith based initiatives) and medical care of children (e.g. SSI) and their parents of children not only here but globally (e.g. America and Peace Corps). Our taxes also are used to protect children (and their parents) from the terror and aggression here and globally.

"God Bless the Taxpayers of the USA"

MANY people claim to be Christians,
Few are.

By your fruit, we will know you.

"Crossanized Catholics/ Catholics/Christians/Mormons/Jews/atheists/Muslims/and caring people in general support via contributions and volunteering for relief services...."

Just as I thought. Can't name one single thing *YOU* as an individual do for unwanted children, so you've resorted to 'caring people in general'... it's too easy to spend all your time getting onto the computer posting long messages that nobody but you reads, bashing other people, rather than actively going out and *doing* something to make a kid's life better.

Put your time, money and energy where your mouth is. Find out for sure where your so-called 'support for unwed mothers' actually goes. Give a kid a home. Time to put up or shut up.

http://www.mothershome.org/

"Mission

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As a residential shelter, Mothers' Home provides a safe haven for vulnerable, pregnant women in a crisis who choose life as a sacred gift.

We encourage our mothers to celebrate the joy of new life and help them prepare for their future and the future of their child.

We focus on physical, emotional and developmental needs including positive life skills, parenting, and job preparation.

We strive to assist our mothers to reach their goals of independence and self sufficiency."

Oh, so the only thing you've proven is that you can look something up on the web. Big deal. That took you all of five seconds. It means nothing. You spend all this time on the computer while doing absolutely NOTHING to help a child in need. Period. I could put the same information on about the agencies I contribute to.. except I actually WORK for them.

Again, put up or shut up.

The Mothers Home of Darby is one of my favorite charities. I have been donating to this home for over 15 years. They will accept money even from Mokey2.

With respect to working for charitable organizations, I help, on a daily basis, in the operation of a large e-mail support medical group of 7000 adult members and 700 families with children who have this medical condition.

With respect to caring for "unwanted" children, I was an unwanted child once being conceived because of the failure of the rhythm method. Fortunately, even though my parents had to make a lot of sacrifices to raise me, it was a good but tough life for all concerned. And who cared for these responsible parents in their last years, I did!!!

In the interim, I managed to get three advanced degrees and raise three very successful children.

Well, aren't you special. You were lucky enough to have two parents who had a stable marriage, and presumably your father worked.

Get over yourself, CCNL.

That doesn't make you 'unwanted' if your parents stepped up and did what needed to be done, CCNL. Taking care of an aging parent is not the same as caring for a child that nobody wanted.

Never cared for an unwanted child yourself. My original point still stands.

Utterly staggering, the depths of your hypocrisy.

I think a better question would have been "Do you think Obama cares about poor people and will do everything he can to help lift poor people?" The answer to that would trump whether or not people believe he is a christian.

Mokey, Mokey, Mokey, Athena, Athena, Athena (sounds like a gang forming),

Whatever, but it sure is nice that someone wanted you too.

I can live with what I do to make the world a better place for all children, wanted and unfortunately in too many cases not wanted. Being unwanted, however, does not give you or anyone the right to end this a child's life. Orphanages, foster homes and adoptions are and will always be the better options!!!

Why all this handwringing about whether Obama is a Chriatian or not? Is this what we have reduced Christianity to, whether you've voted for something or not? Are you God? Do you stand in judgement and know a person's soul?

Jesus said you will know them by their fruit. Galatians 5:22 does NOT say, "The fruit of the Spirit is voting Republican, standing up for the rights of the unborn, and watching Fox Noise." No, it says, "The fruit of the Spirit is love, loy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control; against such things there is no law."

In other words, instead of trying to form someone into your own image of what a Christian should be, maybe you should allow God to form you into someone more like Him, especially in the humility part.

" I can live with what I do to make the world a better place for all children, wanted and unfortunately in too many cases not wanted."

or, in your case, DON"T do- and then spout off about things you know nothing about, bashing people anonymously online- but yet can't put your time and energy where your mouth is.

"Whatever, but it sure is nice that someone wanted you too."

Oh so now, after all your patronizing, bullying talk you can sit there and say that? How very human of you, old man. Given the way you treat others on this thread, I call too little WAY too late.

I guarantee, once you've looked into the eyes of a child who has been raped before they can walk, then maybe you can spout your nastiness.

Until you've seen what happens to a woman with ten children under ten years old and what her body, self esteem and ability to care for said children does to her- you have no business spouting off.

"Being unwanted, however, does not give you or anyone the right to end this a child's life."

I actually work every damned day to make sure that these kids that YOU certainly don't want to care for HAVE a fighting chance. It has broken my heart more than once when a kid who ISN"T EVEN three years old looks at you and says that they'd rather not be here at all than to have to go through what they've been through.

"Orphanages, foster homes and adoptions are and will always be the better options!!!"

When you step up and start DOING something.. THEN maybe someone might take you seriously. And I seriously doubt that will ever happen. And if you've ever traveled extensively and seen the horrible conditions that children live in, especially orphanages, you'd never have the stupidity to lump them in there.

Put up or shut it. "liberated" my keester. Thankfully YOU don't get to decide what I or anyone else does with their own bodies.

Att: Mr. C C N L, et al; @ 4.7.09--11:12A

Interesting: i [WE] had several wives & one of them [B. J. DARBY; no Kids with HER?] is from 'Kildaire' Ireland.

Ye said, "Mothers Home of DARBY.. And YE saith, "i [WE] was an unwanted Child once....."

Guess What: O' YE Luck Developed- "Spermatozoon"

Please see Wiki How WE [i] cometh On Holyi Cosmic NEBULA Built Space-Ship earth(s) of many! YES! YES! WE [i] art NOT ALONE in UNiv!.

Note: Me 1st Child was an {non Planned Entity] but i [WE] was forced {via Conscious, not G-D?} to marry. And Now: THANK YE HOLY-i-NO-MAN/WOMB!

PS: Married; Planned or not Married THAT

Life/Birth is a MIRACLE & there was never ever anything wrong about Inheriting, via being-BORN, the Miracle {aka LIFE] thing and is or NO Sin nor any Cuseth story behind US!

WELCOME! To Holy-i Cosmic NEBU:LA-BUiLT; S.S. Earth, aka, S.S. GAiA. S.S. GEOID, S.S. TELLUSng something via "O.U.R. ETERNITY AVOiDiNG LONLiNESS Miracle Appearance; Justly {no Sin} for a time {man made-Clock }in TIME! OUR immortal {Holy-TEMPerature}.

This is the NEW Song comming From All YE (OUR) Old Songs: P R O P H e T i c A L L Y!, or as Promised in ALL 3-Majar Infixus Books; Bibles+, Koran+ & Geeta+!, aka via OUR Infixus Books; Apocalyptically Saved!

CCNL, if you are as old as you say you are (and I have no doubt that you are a retired guy whose wife bought him a computer to keep you from driving her crazy), then your mother did not have the legal choice of abortion. Yes, she could have gone to a back alley abortionist and been scarred for life, if not killed in the process. But you had two parents that could support you. Many, many women who get pregnant do not have that advantage.

Don't you get it? The question is not whether YOU personally believe that abortion is wrong. It is whether the State can tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. Does the government have a vested interest in the successful outcome of that pregnancy? If so, how could they prove that a woman had a normal miscarriage rather than a self-induced abortion? What about ectopic pregnancies?

Scream all you want about abortion. Make up your fake statistics and repeat them ad nauseam. It's only serving to make you look foolish.

Frankly, ..and this is something those who want to judge 'Christianity' can't get though their thick heads is:

It's not the job of a President to tell me when I might get knocked up.

I don't care *who* he prays to.

Not in the job description.

Are 'Real Christians' really that unable to understand that?

Who taught you that?

And why?

When?

Seriously.

Athena, Athena, Athena,

And the statistics on the Immoral Majority are fake? i.e. the statistics on the number of annual abortions have been faked by the CDC?

The Immoral Majority demographic has been growing by almost two million per year since 1973. They had enough votes to win the White House in the year of the "chad" but Bill Clinton’s lies were even too much for many of them. And the rest is the sad history of one Al Gore losing the presidency because one “Penis Bill” could not control himself.

There are lies, d*mn lies, and statistics.

Yes, of course the "Immoral Majority" (as you call us) has been growing since the '60s and early '70's. It's because my generation and the ones after us aren't as polarized as the Baby Boom generation is. We've seen throught your culture war BS and are trying to move beyond it.

Those who oppose abortion, really need to investigate a good reason to have one?

Let me supply a list of items that, if a person practices or believes them, would mean that the person is not a Christian. Perhaps, I can be brief: anyone who has sinned after accepting Christ as his Lord and Savior is not a Christian. Debates about issues such as gay marriage, abortion, and so forth are just debates. How one conducts his or her life in light of the expectations that God may have for that individual is what is important. The interesting thing is that God is the only true judge. It is common knowledge that some anit-abortionists may actually support an abortion if necessary to save "face" and as long as it can be done out of the light of day. Some anti-gays practive homosexuality as long as they think that they can avoid being known.

President Obama demonstrates a remarkable number of Christian characteristics and principles, many more than most of those who attack him on his views, especially his views as they affect all Americans. President Obama realizes that his personal views on many issues should not keep him from directing government to respect all of our citizens. Let us return to the ten commandments which Jesus summed up into two. Too many in the religious right movement violate one or more of the basic ten on a regular basis. Like Jesus said, "How can you see to remove a speck from your brother's eye when you have a plank in yours."